Dh, priest, warri, druid
Mby enhance instead of druid for WFT
#assassination
echo junco
the versa buff is better than the buff from monk?
errant willow
Is there a consensus on what embelishment is best? Seeing a lot of people with blue silk, others with the boots and even others with shadowflame
spice spire
the versa buff is better than the buff from monk?
We have a lot of magic damage in poisons
wide mountain
Hey everyone I’m looking for some help with my dps. My opening seems to be pretty well tuned and I can pump some serious dmg within cd but outside that window I seem to be dropping like a stone dps wise. Any suggestions on what may be the issue? I currently keep all bleeds up and 4+ cp evenom but I do not pool energy. Is it a sufficient drop in dps if I do not do that?
eternal nymph
the versa buff is better than the buff from monk?
Would guess so, lots of magic dam.
You can just do a couple sims with different raid buffs enabled if you're really curious
wet briar
if u don't pool you will have less envenom chians
limber lion
Hey everyone I’m looking for some help with my dps. My opening seems to be prett...
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
wide mountain
Happy to follow up with logs or detail meters break downs if that is helpful but didn’t want to spam them if this is not the place for it
slim hamlet
oh
spice spire
Happy to follow up with logs or detail meters break downs if that is helpful but...
Send them
slim hamlet
Dh, priest, warri, druid
Mby enhance instead of druid for WFT
DH doesn't do anything and vers is lower than monk yea. Monk - Priest - Warrior - Enhance prob
Wait
is nature dmg magical
limber lion
Happy to follow up with logs or detail meters break downs if that is helpful but...
Pooling and playing around 4p is vital for dps, you have to do that
eternal nymph
DH doesn't do anything and vers is lower than monk yea. Monk - Priest - Warrior ...
Wdym, dh does apply brand. That buffs posions/spatter
limber lion
You cannot not pool.
wide mountain
You cannot not pool.
Fair enough
tawny geyser
Does Arterial remove Enrage from 5 adds or just 1?
limber lion
5
tawny geyser
But then we have to play the Arterial Build in Fortified week, Hyrbid is better, no?
slim hamlet
But then we have to play the Arterial Build in Fortified week, Hyrbid is better,...
No
U just invite an aug like every other week
slim hamlet
It's like a last resort if u got nothing else in your group and if removing the enrage actually matters
Which it doesnt in a lot of keys and key levels
tawny geyser
We're just preparing for 25EB, so wanted to ask, but we do have an AUG.
slim hamlet
warlock doesnt make u deal more dmg
dark token
or prot/mw/dh/assa/enh
slim hamlet
Oh yea I guess if aug counts
echo junco
is WF totem that good?
limber lion
Yes
dark token
warrior/priest/dh/enh/assa
slim hamlet
prob
I wonder if not having the DH and taking monk instad is better
so your KB actually ticks
dark token
nah we do more nature than phys
slim hamlet
dark token
monk buff doesnt work on kb
dark token
i dunno
i dont even know if bleeds count for monk debuff
bleeding is sometimes diff than phys
slim hamlet
I think bleeds is in the nether
It certainly fits more in physical than magical
but so does poisons
thorn fjord
wraith cosmos
iirc, and its kinda weird
most of sins dmg has nothing to do with armor
bleeds are physical technically so that should be affected by monk
its just physical that ignores armor
wide mountain
Sorry I thouhgt you wanted a details break down
spice spire
No
wide mountain
let me grab a log one moment
rocky ruin
🔎
limber lion
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/nightsblades#
My guy why are you trying to come up with your own rotations
Would highly recommend that you read a guide and follow the rotation there
wide mountain
Also a few weeks before I was trrying to really up my dmg so probably a lot of mistakes
fleet pagoda
for you gents who have tried porcelain crab in m+, what was your uptime like?
wide mountain
My guy why are you trying to come up with your own rotations
mind telling me where im coming up with my own rotation here?
limber lion
mind telling me where im coming up with my own rotation here?
Whatever this is, this is completely wrong
It doesn't follow the rotation whatsoever
wide mountain
well that would explain a lot
limber lion
No slice, no Rupture, Shiv 10s too late, Deathmark after Kingsbane, no Envenom before Kingsbane
limber lion
It's all wrong
wide mountain
yea no excuse for the slice here
limber lion
No excuse for any of it
limber lion
You literally pressed a generator 6 times in a row before using a finisher
Wasting like 12 combo points
The entire basic concept of generate - finish is completely flawed
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
limber lion
Highly recommend that you go through the Wowhead guide here and read through the basics
wide mountain
fair enough
winter vapor
I know were often not taking CT on Tyr weeks/some keys and playing around cleave on KB. But on Fort weeks are folks taking it? and if not what you assigning the point too instead?
limber lion
fair enough
Anyways, Quake opened up a thread for you where you can talk through the basics and what you can improve on
limber lion
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/nightsblades#
Here
It took you 58 seconds to cast your first Rupture, even though it should be the third gcd and should be up 100% of the time after that
Anyways, back to PoE
broken ibex
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
agile geode
Guys justforinfo how Is sin going so low on raid After the 3%nerf?
Is not low and i know Is still strong but Is strange
spice spire
Less PIs going to sin because BM is good enough to overtake.
long oak
the assassin rogue is dead in m+?
normal mist
Yes
limber lion
no.
normal mist
the assassin rogue is dead in m+?
Why would you think that?
lyric solar
they aren't fotm meta so clearly they must be dead
normal mist
What's the new fotm?
agile geode
Exept aug i think dh and lock
normal mist
I still queu just fine to 18-20, either as assa or outlaw
long oak
Why would you think that?
lately I have hardly seen assassin anything on m+
crisp pine
Yea I just did a key and the funny yellow bar wasn't as long as the purple bar
it's fucking over
normal mist
I can't tell you I understand because it's pretty rare for my groups to invite double rogue
And I'm usually playing assa
lean portal
the assassin rogue is dead in m+?
it was never alive in 23+
but you can play it ofc
just not meta
pure moth
Sin
crisp pine
I just dropped my 15th branch this season guys
it has speed 
tawny geyser
Anyone has a Weakaura for PI Cooldown?
I run Dungeons with a Priest and need to know when he has it.
sweet dawn
Does spatter spread envenom and tier set proc dmg?
long oak
simulate my character and he told me that the best talents for m+ are the following
Do you think they are the best?
woeful meteor
no iron wire = build isn't viable
sweet dawn
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
zealous cosmos
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
gray hazel
what spec u guys playing in 23 keys? none bleed i guess?
On Fort I’m doing the AS build, on tryan I swapped to the cleave build.
tawny geyser
Omnicd
I use it, but I'm not sure how can I place the PI like in center of my screen so I can track it.
That's why I thought WA is better maybe
pseudo hamlet
what spec u guys playing in 23 keys? none bleed i guess?
Hybrid/AP on Forti or Cleave on Tyra
wicked valve
Im having the most fun ever as assassin in M+. I still like catching restealths, which I know people say you dont need. But when i can stealth and DM dance/KB on a large pack I do so much damage
tame sand
!up
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errant willow
Is there a consensus on what embelishment is best? Seeing a lot of people with blue silk, others with the boots and even others with shadowflame
spice spire
It’s between silk and boots in keys, boots in raid
night halo
are the sims working properly for ashes and cataclysmic signet brand? both of them on HC are simming lower than my sandglass and witherbark's branch on ST but I see all the top logs on fyrakk mythic for example playing them. what am I missing?
pine dew
!dagger
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simple stratus
are the sims working properly for ashes and cataclysmic signet brand? both of th...
length of fight and mobility requirements/not wanting to deal with orbs
fights over 6 minutes is where brand starts to shine
pine dew
should i use the dagger of cd?
night halo
so basically I can choose to play ashes over branch in order to skip the hassle of picking up the orbs
simple stratus
tindral is a good example because youre making huge moves and sometimes you leave your orbs behind and never get them
and cant optimize the staggered pick up times
night halo
yeah I play most of tindral prog with the crab instead
but swapped to branch in the end and had to do a scuffed opener in order to get the trinket on cd and pick it up before the 1st move
simple stratus
yeah its not ideal
if you're doing a 5 min sim, brand will look pretty bad
try 10 min
night halo
will do! thanks for the help 🙂
simple stratus
tindral is usually a 7-8 min fight and and fyrak is like 10 min
sweet dawn
should i use the dagger of cd?
You use it once on a mob of the type you want
and then don't need to use it again unless you change weapons iirc
turbid hornet
Is there a logical reason why my DPS in M+ went up by just using NO CT Builds? it sims worst....but ingame does better than the rest....am i just doing something wrong with the other talent builds?
runic hinge
Maybe you’re paying too much attention to ct. or maybe not enough
turbid hornet
so its me actually not using CT correctly rather than the build doing more damage right?
runic hinge
There’s too many factors to judge
What are the pulls like? What dungeons and what key level? What are the other dps
Are you comparing tyr week to fort
Are you just playing better this week
turbid hornet
Well i run mostly 20-21 Keys with a Ret Pally so i noticed the change because i usually dont get as much DPS as he does, when he does 220k i do 195k.... and last night i tried the Blindside noCT build and i was doing 5k Less DPS than him
i dont think im playing better
but i do think i spam CT too much some times
runic hinge
Having one less plate to spin can help you pay attention to other stuff too
I think I’ll give the cleave build a try this week and see how it feels because I probably pay too much attention to CT
turbid hornet
Yah maybe ill have to run without CT for a few weeks and see how it does in Tyr weeks
lean portal
well the build with CT is just worse
turbid hornet
how so
lean portal
its not that incredible
runic hinge
I think that’s pull and dungeon dependent
runic hinge
In like the doti instances ct doesn’t get much value
Pulls are too small but eb and brh it’s gonna do alright
lean portal
CT is to pad on long fortified packs
no CT is better everywhere else
there is not debate for me
runic hinge
There’s no pad on fort weeks. Trash gotta die too lol
turbid hornet
so CT is just for really high fortified keys?
lean portal
trash dying no matter what tbh
turbid hornet
Yah i noticed with the ret pally buddy packs dont tend to last
subtle tundra
CT is to pad on long fortified packs
ayo
runic hinge
Should get you a ct lover flair
lean portal
why are no top assa playing CT then
subtle tundra
what the fuck you mean PAD
lean portal
applying dmg on trash mobs that will die anyways instead of getting good prio dmg on targets that must die
pseudo hamlet
I am playing with CT on forti weeks, trash is dying fast, that's true. But the only concern I've got is that my KB isn't lasting it's full duration like most of the times.
subtle tundra
runic hinge
Trash on fort is just pad btw
lean portal
wanting to deal dmg a lot to have the funny number on details instead of nuking prio target = pad yeah
pretty sure thats the definition
dark token
I am playing with CT on forti weeks, trash is dying fast, that's true. But the o...
when kb doesnt last long enough
all ur dmg is ct + garrotes
lean portal
valuing your own ego over the key being timed
runic hinge
Trash dying faster is just ego
pseudo hamlet
all ur dmg is ct + garrotes
Exactly 😄
lean portal
but maybe you're all right and im wrong ofc no need to send 70 emotes guys
youre probably all pushing really high keys ^^
subtle tundra
well you sound delulu so im acting delulu
dark token
only time i would consider skipping CT is rise/fall tyran
subtle tundra
well, yea, i have pushed, not this season but i have
subtle tundra
and yes doing dps is good in high keys too
lean portal
surely you can agree nuking a prio is more important than spreading dmg
often
and our class is good at nuking prio
subtle tundra
just cause you talent into ct it doesnt mean you lose all rpio
lean portal
why would we try to pad
subtle tundra
my guy
dark token
surely you can agree nuking a prio is more important than spreading dmg
yes
and u can do that
with ct in ur build
lean portal
so you should play internal bleeding cause spatter is pad
this is extreme so no
but you got what i mean
lean portal
yea ofc everyone play as they like !
i write 'imo' at the end of a lot of my msg ^^ just trying to help
also pointing out that very very few top raiderio assa are playing ct
turbid hornet
Well im not pushing High Keys but i do take Prio targets most of the time and maybe thats the reason NO CT works better for me?
subtle tundra
looking at it and drawing conclusions without context is
turbid hornet
i tried the build because of zerocool, whats is interesting is that weirdest shit worked better...so thx god for the weirdoes
turbid hornet
i tried them all yesterday
subtle tundra
and some are better for some dungeons/affixes
ofc
there's no 1 best build
its not that deep
yes bro you tried them all yesterday
lean portal
the zerocool build is working wayyy better for me personally
its why i preach it ^^
but youre right
subtle tundra
every build on every dungeon on every group on every affix
spice surge
Well im not pushing High Keys but i do take Prio targets most of the time and ma...
Well ye if youre focusing on prio damage and using envenom over ct even when you have ct specced youll obviously do more if you replace ct with another talent
turbid hornet
the only one that actually step up the rest in 20s keys was that zerocool one, thats why i came to ask if its something im doing wrong with the other builds or its actually mean to do better dps
subtle tundra
its a bunch of placebo
and a lot of biases
on top of each other
i keep changing my build around all the time
never notice it
turbid hornet
bro, you are getting mad over nothing....nobody is trying to change your mind im just seeking for info....
you can still do you...wth
subtle tundra
im not getting mad
im just explaining
what people cant understand
but i guess i'd need to be purple name and say this for it to matter
turbid hornet
maybe its not what u say but the way you say it...think about it...not everything is a confrontation...
thx for the info guys
dark token
ct on 4t is equivilant dmg to a rupture on single target anyway
its equal prio dmg hybrid build vs cleave no ct build
cleave build only has more dam on boss dmg
hence take it on keys where boss dmg really matters
aka rise/fall because bosses like tyr and iridikron get shields
combat time does not scale linearly with ur single target dmg but multiplicatively on those bosses
if u have low ST you get more shields which takes even longer
other bosses where this matters is those that spawn adds (gorak tul, dht first boss)
subtle tundra
i was so excited to play assa in m+ at the start of the patch and now we got nerfed twice and are just worse than the other 2 specs again
💔
lean portal
still very fun to play ! imo
subtle tundra
fun yep
pseudo hamlet
Assa overall once again seems... too complicated. I mean compared to other specs(and classes). The effort =! gain.
dark token
i was so excited to play assa in m+ at the start of the patch and now we got ner...
ye
pretty annoying
but we are better than we were in the last 7 seasons still
even post nerf
and the gameplay is better
so im still enjoying it
like assa is definitely good enough to get 0.1% title still
wide ferry
Was loving it unt the nerfs, especially the 3%. Like above said, other classes do more with much less effort.
subtle tundra
they should buff CT more
CT is extremely strong, this is just bcs of tier set
pseudo hamlet
I don't know about that, I was doing relatively better/same DPS in S4 SL, but I guess that's because I was doing +20 keys only for the weeklies.
subtle tundra
remove tier set and CT is so fucking OP
dark token
ye
rugged grail
as the pooling pratice wa says to pull to 5cp
dark token
also people dont realize
rugged grail
why on wowhead it say we can use a 4+ ?
dark token
a ct vs no ct build still has same tier set procs
its just less raw envenom dmg through amp poison
pseudo hamlet
+4 for the Envenom/tier thing.
rugged grail
so the pooling pratice if wrong ?
cause u cant see if u can evenom
until u reach 5
sweet dawn
4+ generally, you want to do a 5+ envenom before kingsbane/DM
pseudo hamlet
so the pooling pratice if wrong ?
No idea what's that
sweet dawn
You can just change the trigger in the pooling practice to be 4 not 5
quick wedge
What poisons i play with this build in m+?
sweet dawn
Deadly + numbing/atrophic
hallow token
Opinions in-game seem to differ so I thought I'd ask here: can rogues do anything vs. the Afflicted affix? I've had good luck up until now and nobody has said anythign to me about it. Insights appreciated.
lean portal
no we cant do anything this week
lean portal
that was last week
balmy condor
What poisons i play with this build in m+?
deadly
jovial solar
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
raven egret
no we cant do anything this week
We can shiv to soothe 😛
lean portal
y but i mean for fantom thing
ancient kraken
that wipe 😦
grim jay
We can shiv to soothe 😛
spice spire
Fellas is it cringe to use your utility
agile osprey
I'm chillin with 1 489, the other 483. Just playing the weekly slot machine now
pure moth
I'm chillin with 1 489, the other 483. Just playing the weekly slot machine now
Lucky you. I've seen 0
opaque iron
so whats the best dagger buff for ig pure damage? if there is one. ive just been doing the cheat death
keen spruce
I grinded out 2 hero track ones week 1/2
ornate aspen
so whats the best dagger buff for ig pure damage? if there is one. ive just been...
Theres no throughput buffs.
opaque iron
Theres no throughput buffs.
so which one is the go to?
pure moth
I grinded out 2 hero track ones week 1/2
How many runs it take. Im at 40
ornate aspen
I run beast/leech or mechanical/cheat death depending on what I'm doing
opaque iron
kk ty
keen spruce
How many runs it take. Im at 40
I don't remember i was very much in the average luck category though
probably between 20-30
pure moth
Wasted my luck from last season
gaunt sigil
Leech feels nice in M+, I pref mech for raids though
subtle tundra
im at like 70, finished prog too and still 1 only
keen spruce
i'm makin a little bank tab to store them all
pure moth
That's what I'm doing with sandglass
pure moth
Yepp
ornate aspen
When Assassination was reworked and be gained value as a PI target, was that value a result of tuning to our haste this tier or was it a because of a more fundamental change to assassination's kit this rework?
In other words is assassination's reliance on PI something we could expect to change tier-to-tier as relative stat values shift or are we in the same boat as UDKs where we are stuck with it barring major talent changes?
spice spire
When Assassination was reworked and be gained value as a PI target, was that val...
We went from a slight burst spec to a mega burst spec. KB windows have a lot to do with this. I’d look at it going forward. Our tuning definitely helped our case for PI
People look at PI and see haste and go “do I like haste” but it’s more “in that window what do I do with the haste” and since it’s more poison applications, yeah it does a lot for our kb windows
ornate aspen
So it's defintely more fundamental. If our damage profile now is based around periods of burst that line up with PI theres no way around needing PI for optimal output
Great
spice spire
i don't need help i already got it
Get a job then idk man
keen spruce
i'm trying 
spice spire
Spreadsheets of probability 
Oh wait
I thought you were doing a thing
I was just teasing I don’t want it to be real 
spice spire
<:PogO:1160145144872435792>
Why don’t you get another self promo in 
slate crown
hey yall don't forget to like shares eats shoots and leaves
spice spire
cold zodiac
I currently have 4200 crit 4300 mast and 3800 haste and my sim is telling me to gem full haste.
Is there some weird brake point I'm close to that doesn't matter for us humans but does to sims?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7mDtzmZPbiwjaVRmHQekPn
spice spire
No
keen spruce
I currently have 4200 crit 4300 mast and 3800 haste and my sim is telling me to ...
none of those number matter. it's just telling you to gem more haste cuz you don't have enough
but you're also using sophic devotion
so before you regem everything. try simming with just sophic vs wafting devotion
calm tendon
264k overall in EB with cleave.. its okay
keen spruce
depends on key level
calm tendon
22
keen spruce
but yeah that's pretty goodge
small garnet
167k throne 21 
vapid geyser
how many attempts did it take you guys to see a nick of time, I think i'm going insane
vapid geyser
im on 38 atm but got one on my first ever run champion track...
had a guildie get 2 on his alt, in 3 runs
ornate aspen
56
past forum
!up
prisma monolithBOT
vapid geyser
guess i gotta keep grinding then 😄
runic hinge
19
keen spruce
im on 38 atm but got one on my first ever run champion track...
38 so kind of unlukcy
but u also got one already
runic hinge
And now a myth track in vault
vapid geyser
but u also got one already
used up all my luck straight away 
keen spruce
well i mean 7.2%
is still higher odds of that happening than getting it in one run
so like
idk a little unluck
but not unreasonable
outer cairn
I just need a second one from the vault at this point. the 476 is holding fast in the off hand. everbloom however has destroyed my soul
keen spruce
i've got 15 more crests for this week that will cap my oh
hero track
then i bump the bracers up to 486 and no more upgrades till myth track slots
outer cairn
if i could get a hero one i could cap it and a branch
keen spruce
start comin out of vault
winter glade
Do you need to double garrote in aoe packs to ensure it spreads to all mobs?
outer cairn
nothing godo this week. i'm almost at 485. 476 branch and 476 nick holding me back
dark token
Do you need to double garrote in aoe packs to ensure it spreads to all mobs?
Triple sometimes
winter glade
Is it okay to override a empowered rupture during pandemic window or should I let it drop totally off like garrote does?
keen spruce
Is it okay to override a empowered rupture during pandemic window or should I le...
ideally drop
but it also doesn't matter as much
cuz rupture is a smaller % of your damage
gaunt moat
wow, 230 runs and you couldn't invite me to SINGLE one 
alpine juniper
What builds are most people using in M+?
keen spruce
wow, 230 runs and you couldn't invite me to SINGLE one <:peepomad:5857338409544...
I invited you to all of them
gaunt moat
Must have gotten lost in the mail
oblique jackal
keen spruce
worthy timber
are other memebers of your party/raid able to pick up the floating orbs from witherbar's branch?
tacit charm
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
static hedge
are other memebers of your party/raid able to pick up the floating orbs from wit...
Only you can see them too
spice spire
I can also see them, but I’m different
cinder geode
!log
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
past forum
Imagine if you could yoink other players orbs. Havoc zoomers would be yoinking all day
cinder geode
where do u post them
tall jay
Is wowanalyzer even updated
spice spire
Is wowanalyzer even updated
No
It’s updated to 10.1.5
Rework is a lot of work to update
tame sand
!up
prisma monolithBOT
desert inlet
smh lazy wowanalyzer keeper
spice spire
Whispyr has been coaching 
runic hinge
Thought it was topple’s project
spice spire
Topple does implementation.
For like 8 specs.
He needs guidance on what to do. So they both work it
strange python
how complex is 10.2 sin compared to other rogue specs?
spice spire
Subjective
acoustic roost
Really easy once you learn the kingsbane burst window
plain moon
RL just said PIs going to BM hunters now, what do, is it joeover?
spice spire
RL just said PIs going to BM hunters now, what do, is it joeover?
Which boss are you at
plain moon
Which boss are you at
Tindral
spice spire
Do you need AoE?
plain moon
curretnly on nymue tho on reclear
spice spire
If so it’s joever I fear
plain moon
havent pulled tindral yet
plain moon
In general where does your raid lack? ST blasting or pad?
ST I feel
past forum
RL just said PIs going to BM hunters now, what do, is it joeover?
Tricks the hunter on pull. Then say “well i guess you can just PI me instead” after they get bonked
spice spire
Sub does better both. But if you need the execute for some reason sin can be useful (both are more than fine on both tindral and fyrrak)
cerulean nest
macro ashes to kb ye?
woeful meteor
yes
pressing like 3 sec after KB is even better
but idk how impactful it was overall
woeful meteor
wowhead says 3 sec after KB
spice spire
but idk how impactful it was overall
You want the stats on the final tick of kb it’s a fair amount of impact
plain moon
Sub does better both. But if you need the execute for some reason sin can be use...
Yeah, dust sub rogue is just the most unfun build ive played in this game for me so just really didnt want to play it for last 2
turbid hornet
So with the Ashes trinket i want to macro it to with KB? like trinket>Shadow>KB Macro?
woeful meteor
you can
cerulean nest
just hit it at 11 seconds remaining on KB if youre able to
spice spire
So with the Ashes trinket i want to macro it to with KB? like trinket>Shadow>KB ...
4 messages above that
woeful meteor
just hit it at 11 seconds remaining on KB if youre able to
it's better than macro into DM but worse than that this
turbid hornet
yah just noticed lol
woeful meteor
vayne players smh 🙂
turbid hornet
oh so i shouldnt even macro it...just press it last on the rotation then? like DM+Prepot Macro> Shiv> SD+KB Macro> then wait a sec or two and hit the trinket?
plain moon
If you need the st
This is us on smolder tho. So well see if we can rekill lol
spice spire
woeful meteor
plain moon
its bad...
spice spire
I believe in liamr-tichondrius
feral mason
or turbo extenders?
feral mason
damn
plain moon
but now just longer offical raid times
spice spire
Unethical
woeful meteor
just depends on how fast you kill first 6
spice spire
I just realized how tf I knew you.
I raided with your mw last tier
Nice-ish guy. Bit ditzy but crazy pumper
plain moon
im new to this guild this tier
plain moon
I believe in liamr-tichondrius
i see you stalkin lol
spice spire
Yeah so is he
plain moon
we private log tho so cant even show parses
spice spire
Nah like I said I remember checking the guy out wondering where he went (I took the tier off so idk what happened, probably mad about the echoes bit) and I always check the rogues
woeful meteor
can blind boss
cerulean nest
ty
thorny pond
Nice-ish guy. Bit ditzy but crazy pumper
Every MW
spice spire
He’s no beachpatrol tho
plain moon
Nah like I said I remember checking the guy out wondering where he went (I took ...
was there drama on nelth last tier or something? do tell
spice spire
was there drama on nelth last tier or something? do tell
We had a couple of ranged that just could not function.
300 pulls in, 4% best never killed
Like pull 250 wiping p1 is tilting 
plain moon
Yeah I bet lol
plain moon
could look at casts on the rogue
cerulean nest
also I keep losing a gcd right after subterfuge for some reason
is that some ambush/mutilate stealth bar situation?
slate crown
Most likely yah
runic hinge
I haven’t done this yet but I’m gonna put mut on my old blindside keybind and use that 4th gcd so I don’t get the weird lockout
cerulean nest
i havent experienced it except for very recently for some reason
but now its consistently every pull
raven egret
damn, my raid leader just got his legendary
cerulean nest
I haven’t done this yet but I’m gonna put mut on my old blindside keybind and us...
just tried this and didnt work lol
limber lion
just tried this and didnt work lol
You need to use a macro mutilate for that, probably, idk
even then it's super jank and idk why you'd bother
just spam the buttons harder
or take a chill pill after the first gcd
and just offset everything by 0.2s
cerulean nest
im spamming harder and its fine I guess
dusk sun
!wa
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cerulean nest
Im hitting blind but not seeing it on all the mobs
my frames are ass but im not sure its happening
tindral adds*
cinder geode
do u always use ambush to generate cp in stealth ? a guildie told me to use mutilate during kb window
should i have both bound for stealth
haughty flicker
mut in kb window applies like 3 more poison stacks and does very very little extra damage
or did
runic hinge
You can use mutilate for a small gain in dm+kb window but the gain is super duper small
Like 2-300 dps I think
haughty flicker
not worth worrying about
cinder geode
okie
gray horizon
does anyone know why i'd be getting knocked out of stealth pre-pull from getting healed?
prisma monolithBOT
Stealth can break from:
- evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
- Essence trinket on buff gain
- Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
- Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into unison (spec capstone)
- Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
- Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)
past forum
Does mw play unison? I thought they didn’t
gray horizon
this one does
gusty mirage
cerulean nest
dude the amount of parries and jank dodging and positioning on tindral is wild
storm forum
Does anyone know at what uptime % BSL outsims toxic stuff on ST?
runic hinge
40 or 60 idr
storm forum
ty
raven egret
6/9m, Nymue is down, lets goooo
hasty swan
what posions do we run for m+?
icy urchin
Hey question. New to the class but curious, when do we capitalize on Caustic Splatter vs just using fan of knives outside of funnel damage? Like is there a target count you should swap at or do we always want Fan in straight AoE without a priority target? Also what poisons to use when?
icy acorn
you just take one target with the most hp, apply caustic with one mutilate and then use fok with enough targets until caustic is wearing off. then you just repeat
atro, crippling (if sanguine week, dont apply it in m+), ampli and deadly poison
junior yoke
you just take one target with the most hp, apply caustic with one mutilate and t...
Foe = fok?
icy acorn
yeah, thought of something else lol
junior yoke
raven egret
I mean its already way lower if you look at Damage instead of Damage to Bosses - but as far as damage to Bosses is concerned; yes a lot of it is PI driven
but not Aug, most of the stuff is reattributed to Aug and removed from our logs
still a few leftover bugs on that I think
icy acorn
windfury is kinda your pi on sub
but yeah, you dont need the pi to do more dmg while the pi can (and is already) go to a bm/udk without you losing anything
or more like the raid
neat horizon
Yeah would be a bit simpler than having to macro every priest's name i come across 
icy acorn
iim also pretty sure sub will get its share of balancing the coming weeks
raven egret
Short of deleting Shadowdust not much they can do for sub I think... but the mages I know sure are happy that Sin is not at the top anymore -_-
icy acorn
altough dust is kinda coinflip imo
it will either be too good to not use
or too bad to use
and im pretty sure they will keep it for the time being
lime crypt
Can somebody explain to me what spell hook is
runic hinge
Outlaw has a spell that involves a hook
bright surge
Outlaw has a spell that involves a hook
grappling hook ? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=195457/grappling-hook
runic hinge
keen spruce
vestal wren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1189806295067402271/IM...
just fyi the statistic still does not include fyrakk
neat horizon
just fyi the statistic still does not include fyrakk
What could change for these statistics if it did include him ?
vestal wren
What could change for these statistics if it did include him ?
havoc probably gets better
ww will get better too
also one thing to mention, normalization:
by dps:
devstation and DH both climp the statisic a bit if you aggregate by dps (also demo looks even stronger)
neat horizon
Quite interesting to see all 3 rogue specs doing really well
neat horizon
i believe DH and WW climb up higher with more logs uploaded
vestal wren
the ranking of specs in the metric many look at for tuning
neat horizon
Yeah seems like it pretty much
midnight atlas
is this bait? looks like bait
slate crown
Myaahh
keen spruce
myaaahhh
royal lantern
nyaaaah
raven egret
Quite interesting to see all 3 rogue specs doing really well
Yeah I mean... Sin isn't looking as hot when you look at the last week. Sin still gets PI, so keeping that in mind we are not close to the top anymore
I know that PI isn't the end all be all aspect but it's important imo to remember that it is part of that chart everyone always looks at
lime crypt
why is even PI a thing in logs
why doesnt it just get disqualified from rankings if log finds out that the player got external?
raven egret
You can log at the logs themselves and exclude external buffs, the aggregate statistics does not
lime crypt
okay but like
whenever someone pulls out a graph out of their ass
id be nice if they already done it before
like i keep seeing wowhead updates
like "this is the dps for the past week"
royal lantern
why doesnt it just get disqualified from rankings if log finds out that the play...
somebody WILL get it lol
lime crypt
and they look at it and see a spec that got 30k dps from externals alone
lucid scroll
@lime crypt they polled asking if people wanted it removed from logs ages ago with multiple options of how to do it and like 50% of people voted to exclude pi from logs but they ended up just going with the current system of showing external buffs anyway
slate crown
!wa @compact pivot in LE’s Group, the poison icons are under the Procs/Poisons group.
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slate crown
Not at my desk atm
raven egret
There are still people thinking we should get further nerfs, mainly cause they have no idea how to understand the context of any chart they look at, and because they still get beat on the meters
Nevermind that not getting PI feels like shit. I hate PI -_-
royal lantern
delete pi
lime crypt
why are people so focused on only pi tho
isnt windfury totem as potent as pi is?
pi is 12k for sin
and windfury is 8k
or does it get deduced?
compact pivot
@slate crown That works, thank you so muchhhhhh
balmy condor
or does it get deduced?
windfury is a party buff so it's not really an external, the same way that monk/dh debuff and warrior buff isn't considered an external either
every raid group should have one
royal lantern
why are you not in the WF group lol
lime crypt
but yes, you have higher chance of getting windfury than pi lol
balmy condor
why tf wouldn't you be in windfury
royal lantern
like, rogue is #1wft class
balmy condor
does your raid have 4 sub rogues or something lmao
raven egret
I mean if you aren't in the windfury party I'd ask serious questions to your rl
blazing jewel
6 sub rogues 
royal lantern
6 sub rogues <:Susge:888573531468734555>
14 
blazing jewel
and none of them know how to play dust
whispyr can be the wft
what is he cooking 
slate crown
1 am cook, 1am cook, 1am cook
slate crown
entertain me, funny people inside my phone
Myahhhh
oak sky
desert inlet
gaunt moat
entertain me, funny people inside my phone
blazing jewel
hes going to find .01% dps in the apl right here right now
balmy condor
like realistically I think if you want to truly remove PI and externals from statistics, you also have to remove windfury, dh debuff, monk debuff, warrior buff, etc, and they should all re-attribute to the specs if that's the goal
The problem with doing that though is that for one, it's really fking hard to reverse those numbers, and that's not really how blizzard designed raid buffs in general. They're toeing the line between externals and raid buffs on a lot of the stuff. Demon hunter/monk debuff is basically 150k dps in a mythic raid. But tuning a demon hunter to do 50k dps because their raid buff is worth 150k so that it stacks up with other classes is some actual braindead shit, for obvious reasons.
So those gotta stay in, windfury included. PI is a personal external, so it's the biggest contended buff, but the math on PI is also by far the hardest
All that being said though, blizzard isn't a company full of bozos, and they know as well as anyone else that PI and windfury and stuff has value to specs. They have the ability to go to google and smash their feet onto the keyboard until "bloodmallet.com" shows up in their search just like any other average wow player would smash their feet into the keyboard. To assume that they just see long warcraftlogs bar and punch a spec for it with no thought is frankly nothing short of delusional, and they've accounted for these things before in their tuning, like arcane mage, warlock, etc. They tune because things are just really fkin strong or really fking weak
gaunt moat
entertain me, funny people inside my phone
Within each of us reside two bunnies – one full of hope and joy, the other wise and weathered by experience. Nurture the bunny of optimism, letting it bound through challenges, but keep the bunny of wisdom close, guiding you with seasoned insight through life's warrens.
raven egret
Yep, they do what they do for a reason. I'm only sick of people telling me I should get further nerfed and never understand any context to the damn charts they are pointing at
desert inlet
wtf my bnuy!!
gaunt moat
Yep, they do what they do for a reason. I'm only sick of people telling me I sho...
The only solution to that is to find better people to talk to
because you can't fix people that choose ignorance.
royal lantern
desert inlet
thank
gaunt moat
https://tenor.com/view/bnuy-bunny-bnuuy-gif-26529152
safe 🐰
Equipped with tiny daggers strapped to its sides, the bunny rogue would engage in swift and sneaky movements, using its agility to dodge attacks and deliver surprising strikes. Its emotes might include playful hops, sly winks, and cute gestures to distract enemies before landing a decisive blow.
In the world of Azeroth, this bunny rogue would be the epitome of stealth and charm, proving that even the smallest and seemingly innocent creatures can be formidable and cunning adventurers.```For sure. Still fact remains that removing PI from the charts, I'd like to see those results too~ the other raid buffs are so much easier to access across the board, PI really is the main outlier IMO
raven egret
```A bunny playing a rogue in World of Warcraft would be an adorable yet cunning...
... I want that to be real
icy acorn
sounds familiar
raven egret
but give it a 10min cd
Mind. Blown.
earnest remnant
bunny meat is quite tasty
gaunt moat
they should make PI raid wide and last longer
That sound broken as fuck, there's no way they'd put something like that in the game
gaunt moat
bunny meat is quite tasty
Who let this trash panda in here 👺
royal lantern
im having the Peak "using the train in germany" experience rn
first one was 10min late, next one is 29min late, somebody tried to grab my wallet from my pockets
blazing jewel
bunny meat is quite tasty
icy acorn
german trains are the complete opposite of what you would think about german punctuality
gaunt moat
my expirence when i was in germany was some guy coming to sit right next to me cause he heard me speak hebrew and threateningly ask me where i'm from so i lied from russia
and then i forgot my bag with my wallet and passport in the train
icy acorn
gaunt moat
it's a whole story arc. i eventually got it back
balmy condor
I'm not sure saying you're from russia is really a great cover story if you're trying to appease europeans
considering they ain't too happy with shit over there
gaunt moat
He wasn't european i can tell you that.
balmy condor
I see
royal lantern
the guy next to me in school was russian for 5years man lol
gaunt moat
also it was back in 2016
That being said, The chocolate cake i bought in starbucks in Berlin might have been the best cake i ate in my life.
And currywurst is a legitimate reason to visit germany.
balmy condor
currywurst is goated
blazing jewel
ill show you a wurst frfr
icy acorn
royal lantern
ill show you a wurst frfr
mini wiener?
blazing jewel
gaunt moat
Each day I don't eat a wiener is a day not lived.
royal lantern
based
icy acorn
can we pin that
icy acorn
feels like a great quote for the end of the year
gaunt moat
I can fix it for you
balmy condor
a child is hugging my leg now
is it your child
royal lantern
no
balmy condor
okay, but if you grab the child and take it with you on the train
would it be your child
royal lantern
his mom is right there
balmy condor
that sounds like an opportunity for a date, and a free child
royal lantern
gaunt moat
"How i met your mother"
"I kidnapped you"
brazen zodiac
:o
quiet oar
royal lantern
icy acorn
just buy a car
icy acorn
the best part is
they want people to use public transport more than cars
but do nothing to make the experience of traveling by train/bus or whatever better
all they do is making driving a car more expensive
all the while traveling by train is way too expensive as well
plucky canopy
inner token
bochum has the best curry wurst imo unique sauce
pine valve
Due to latest statistics, you guys consider outlaw > assa, or assa is still strong and even easier rotation as it is a pretty much straight forward spec?
clever sapphire
latest statistics show that outlaw is middle of the pack boss dmg, didnt even think once about going outlaw for raid
floral shoal
but do nothing to make the experience of traveling by train/bus or whatever bett...
As a German that pisses me off immensely. I ride my bike pretty much everywhere in town, but travel by train which I generally like. But come on get them the fuck on time...
sullen quest
all they do is making driving a car more expensive
didn't read anything asides from this line, are you talking about The Netherlands?
sullen quest
it's a joke, it's not that serious
I'm not even good at playing sin
ill link this though
pseudo hamlet
outlaw getting dunked on
Delete this screenshot! Otherwise Blizz will nerf us more and buff Outlaw!
sullen quest
tawny geyser
Dumb question, but cba googling it...
Will +17 drop Hero items that can be upgraded to 483, or it's from +19?
floral shoal
!up
prisma monolithBOT
tawny geyser
So if I farm Everbloom on +17 for Branch, it will drop it on 467 Hero?
pure moth
17s are hero gear drops. But 18s you get mythic track in vault
sullen quest
16 aspect
17 highest drop track
18 highest vault track
19 highest drop
20 highest vault item level
not at all confusing
sullen quest
you spend way more resources that way
slate crown
Yeah it’s literally just “do 8 18+ in the week, then just spam 17+” for max rewards. Or more simply what tyran said, just do 18s and ignore all else
You get them eventually
sullen quest
19 takes 1 minute longer and you don't have to spend 15 additional crests
slate crown
If you’re farming a piece of specific gear that refuses to drop
The crests will come
You only need a finite number of crests
sullen quest
Also true, you're never going to get all your chase items before you're drowning in crests
but it saves many many hours of gearing at the beginning, which gets you accepted to keys easier afterwards
slate crown
Unless you’re one of those “enjoys M+” people I’ve heard about
junior yoke
If you’re farming a piece of specific gear that refuses to drop
Ah?
inland heath
can I custom the branch usage on sims?, like just use it and get the 3 orbs asap?
long oak
ill link this though
Since the beginning of the season I have been looking for that dagger and it hasn't dropped me
sullen quest
Since the beginning of the season I have been looking for that dagger and it has...
I got lucky this time, but I know what it feels like to do 50-100 runs for 1 item
Think I got both trinket and 1 dagger within 40 runs
sullen quest
can I custom the branch usage on sims?, like just use it and get the 3 orbs asa...
I'm guessing you'd need to add that manually
spice spire
Unless you’re one of those “enjoys M+” people I’ve heard about
What of it?
unborn carbon
hey yall, brand new to rogue - trying to make sure I am understanding the sin openner/rotation correctly.
looking at wowhead, it shows the first global of SD/KB window being improved garrote, then a envenom at 4 cb (1 from shiv, 1 from kb, 2 from improved garrote).
however when I run a sim to see if I'm near the dps I should be on my opener, the API has the first global of SD/KB being an envenom at 2 cb (just the shiv and KB cbs) and the imp garrote after.
Am I understanding correctly? Which is the correct order while in SD/KB?
sweet dawn
Is the 2 cb envenom the first one in the DM opener?
Because it might be to get 100% uptime of envenom during KB
spice spire
hey yall, brand new to rogue - trying to make sure I am understanding the sin op...
Sims show a loose example not how to play to a T
Sequencing matters but the difference is minimal
It probably does the ideal but breaks the general rule so the guide probably just follows that rule
low quartz
why it gotta be shit tho
unborn carbon
aight, ty guys
rain oyster
Augury of the Primal Ass Flame
pseudo hamlet
why it gotta be shit tho
Isnt that kinda good for M+? I mean not brach/sandglass but still
rain oyster
The first fire and the last
low quartz
Isnt that kinda good for M+? I mean not brach/sandglass but still
problem is, Im running branch/sandglass hahaha
pseudo hamlet
Ouchy!
sullen quest
Because it might be to get 100% uptime of envenom during KB
pretty sure it is
ornate jetty
on keys 24++, do we take tepid vers or still corrupting rage?
keen viper
Good afternoon any recommended elvui profile for assassination rogue? :))
spice spire
!wa
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sullen quest
I haven't used elvui in years, how could you even have a spec specific profile?
isn't it just chat and party/raid and actionbars?
and frames
keen viper
hmmm i am just returning to wow again . So basically my question should be any advice for ui setttings? :))
spice surge
isn't it just chat and party/raid and actionbars?
No
sullen quest
Ah. Well nothing spec or class specific as it has very little to do with that.
a good WA pack as linked above is essential for combat
you can use clique to bind things like TOTT and shadowstep to a key that only triggers their use when hovering over someones frame in party or raid
you can use bartender to configure and hide actionbars
spice surge
But even then, the exact positions, size, orientation etc are all something people fiddle with
sullen quest
you can also just stick to a nice all in one like elvui and just add a WA
Purely for UI though I would say WA essential, and once you've developed all the muscle memory hide your actionbars to save space and have a nice clean look, everything else is kinda personal preference
keen viper
thank you :))
slate crown
can I custom the branch usage on sims?, like just use it and get the 3 orbs asa...
That’s how you adjust the setting.
spice spire
Ur so real for that
slate crown
You can add that to expert mode expansion options I think, on mobile atm so can’t verify exactly where but that’s the line to adjust
inland heath
That’s how you adjust the setting.
damn ty so much
slate crown
Also you won’t want to immediately collect all 3 (not that you can), you absolutely want to make sure you have 3 stacks for the end of Kingsbane, and if you pop on DM, then get all 3 immediately, the buff won’t be up for the end
spice spire
You can add that to expert mode expansion options I think, on mobile atm so can’...
I can tell you where in a second
slate crown
I can tell you where in a second
Teamwork makes the dream work
spice spire
Raid actors 95% sure
sullen quest
Also you won’t want to immediately collect all 3 (not that you can), you absolut...
So if you were to cast it and instead of chasing down the balls you just keep moving to avoid them, until about 4-5 seconds have passed, then get all 3 stacks to last for the remainder of KB, you'd get fairly close to the optimised value without having to play this stupid ball chasing mini game
Because man, I hate it
Especially in M+ on large pulls where it's just impossible to see the balls
sullen quest
You can add that to expert mode expansion options I think, on mobile atm so can’...
slate crown
So if you were to cast it and instead of chasing down the balls you just keep mo...
If you want a comparison of many “have 3 stacks at KB end” options, here’s a test I did #1065730164077645916 message
spice spire
Classic LE self promo 
(This is good shit tho fr)
pseudo hamlet
on keys 24++, do we take tepid vers or still corrupting rage?
I'd say Vers. Never done any M+ higher than +20 with corrupting rage, but that's just me I guess.
Vers gives you also nice -dmg% taken, while corrupting rage can give your healer a hard time during the hectic circumstances.
sullen quest
If you want a comparison of many “have 3 stacks at KB end” options, here’s a tes...
oh cool, thx!
sullen quest
If you want a comparison of many “have 3 stacks at KB end” options, here’s a tes...
The numbers are just time between pickups right?
I want to know 0/0/5 basically
though I suppose 1/1/6 and 1/1/5 come close enough
running into atleast one of the orbs is probably inevitable
sullen quest
running into atleast one of the orbs is probably inevitable
as in this?
sullen quest
You can’t do 0
yes you can
spice spire
No you can’t
sullen quest
counting in my head, so fairly inaccurate, after activation you can easily get out under from touching any of the orbs and run around for roughly 14 seconds before they despawn
sullen quest
how would that be written down
dodging all of them for 5 sec
then picking all up at the same time
spice spire
5/5/5
violet sonnet
when im envenom chaining, what energy do i want to stop spamming envenom at
is it until i cant cast it?
sullen quest
Right, gotcha
spice spire
when im envenom chaining, what energy do i want to stop spamming envenom at
Until you can’t cast
Then pool
violet sonnet
kk
sullen quest
That's why I asked "are the numbers time between pickups"
but the numbers represent time TILL pickup for each orb individually
my bad
spice spire
Ye
sullen quest
ok I dont get these results at all then
3/3/3 means you miss the last 2 ticks of KB
3/3/6 means you extend just enough to include the last 2
yet that one sims worse
fringe mirage
what is best race for assa?
static glacier
what is best race for assa?
from bloodmallet
keep in mind stuff like stoneform dispelling you can matter more than an extra 200 simdps
spice spire
Loosely fits earlier sims too
spice spire
Post
sullen quest
That's Ensconced's sim
So it would appear that the damage in those first 3 seconds holds as much weight as damage in the end during the last ticks of KB
static glacier
So it would appear that the damage in those first 3 seconds holds as much weight...
doesn't make any sense why this would be the case tbh
the MA argument doesn't work cus we vanish for MA at the end of KB
sullen quest
on ST MA is long lost anyway by the time you get to activating trinket
static glacier
could this be sim length fuckery? since it's +-1min
sullen quest
if you synch it with DM (do you?)
spice spire
Yes you sync with dm
sullen quest
yeah so no MA there
static glacier
if you synch it with DM (do you?)
you will get MA 2 globals after DM activation normally
then again 3s before KB expiration
static glacier
I can't come up with a reason why not having trinket for last ticks of KB would ever not be a loss tbh
since even assuming you cap KB stacks you'd be very unlikely to do it within 4-5 globals
sullen quest
or why it seems that those 2 globals between 3/3/7 and 1/1/7 are 1k dps
that's crazy
static glacier
this is one of those cases where we just make a value judgement in terms of possibility of execution / theoretical reasons
rather than fully follow the sims
sullen quest
yeah, in any case it's good to see that you don't have to eye a timer, as long as you pick up the first 2 quickly and delay the last by anywhere from 5 to 8 you're basically good
but if you fail to get a single orb 1 second late
you're fucked and might aswell be using another trinket
,
static glacier
personally I pick first 2 asap then stare at KB timer
as soon as it hits 10 I will run into the orb i've kited
sullen quest
oh yeah that's a good way to do it
static glacier
im sure someone could make a WA to give a sound cue etc to help time that stuff
sullen quest
well like I said the third orb seems to be where you have the most leeway
it's just the first 2 that cause massive issues
static glacier
simming this week's vault
finding it difficult to make a decision
it's between branch and socket
socket lets me use myth belt @489 up from 483 socketed belt but branch is a longterm bis item
350dps loss :l
fallow canopy
how likely is it you get offered another myth branch vs you getting another socket
static glacier
exactly