#assassination

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quiet oar
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iirc

keen spruce
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if you dm first intermission you don't have it for 2nd intermission HMM

gusty mirage
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you do with autumn

quiet oar
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With autmn you do

keen spruce
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that what iw as askin

gusty mirage
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but yes without hpal you give up 2nd intermission

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and DM the 3rd

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with lust

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and it's still bad

quiet oar
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Just play sub

gusty mirage
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when you can press N activate sub and do more damage

quiet oar
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Play payphone between Intermission

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and top the meter in Intermission

keen spruce
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i'm bad at sub

gusty mirage
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how

quiet oar
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Ye

gusty mirage
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it's a loop bro

quiet oar
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Like Smolderon

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Its really easy

keen spruce
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i haven't read the loop

gusty mirage
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it's actually easier than assassination

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lmao

keen spruce
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or pushed the loop buttons

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I played like 2 ptr keys on sub

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then never specd back into it

gusty mirage
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yeah dust in keys is kinda cringe

quiet oar
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Yeah dont do keys with it

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wtf

gusty mirage
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timings can get all fucked up

quiet oar
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Just play outlaw

gusty mirage
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I'd rather play in traffic

keen spruce
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this was on ptr

gusty mirage
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but I appreciate your suggestion

keen spruce
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we didn't know sub was gonna be cheeks

arctic hare
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@steel parcel Yeah, garrote garrote CT works beautifully

quiet oar
gusty mirage
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I like bursting

quiet oar
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Like the lows of sub

gusty mirage
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so why would I play outlaw

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no burst havin' ass spec

quiet oar
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I mean yeah it feels good

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To burst

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But the lows on sub

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are so exhausting

keen spruce
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i think i've aquired enough pirate gear to try it

gusty mirage
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wild

keen spruce
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but i really don't wanna

gusty mirage
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this man will play outlaw in keys

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but won't play sub for smolderon

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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

keen spruce
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me one trick

spice spire
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One trick doesn’t play outlaw

quiet oar
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Nah you not

keen spruce
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keys aren't real

spice spire
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Just say ur allergic to damage

quiet oar
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You played sub last season

spice spire
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It’s okay lil bro

quiet oar
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I didnt forget that

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Shmeeps is a wannabe OTP

spice spire
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You get the one trick badge when you’ve never done a key as a different spec

gusty mirage
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
spice spire
gusty mirage
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playing my main spec

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fuckin nerd

spice spire
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I wish you’d just call me the meta tbh

quiet oar
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Spoiler

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The main Spec

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is Sub

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(again)

gusty mirage
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the boys played what we normally play

spice spire
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Blasted

cinder geode
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any of yall know how to transmog the legendary cata daggers ?

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for some reason the OH dagger doesnt show up in the options

sullen quest
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yes it does

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right click

gusty mirage
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^

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you have to right click it

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it's scuffed af

sullen quest
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it is

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Aren't they identical anyway

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I literally can't tell

gusty mirage
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almost ye

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one is just smaller

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lmao

sullen quest
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oh is it

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I never even noticed lmao

gusty mirage
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yeah it's like slightly smaller

cinder geode
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ah didnt realize u could right click it ty

desert inlet
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yeah usually the left one is a little bigger

spice spire
gusty mirage
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new banger emote

spice spire
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Amen brother

sullen quest
spice spire
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The skeleton crew lives

gusty mirage
shy pecan
spice spire
desert inlet
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I want a vendetta icon

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I miss her

gusty mirage
desert inlet
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hey that's pretty good

gusty mirage
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I can prolly find the high quality one and add it to the server for you

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but that's only cause you're my friend and ily

desert inlet
spice spire
desert inlet
spice spire
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Anduin on rogue

gray crest
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we all know how much oxi loves anduin

gusty mirage
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fuck you

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you got to chill until jailer

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and then come in and be the hero

gray crest
desert inlet
cerulean nest
gusty mirage
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versus what

gray crest
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I still got to experience the kyber "kill all the anduin adds in <5s"

gusty mirage
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an 8s gcd ramp to start your damage

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lol

cerulean nest
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yeah but theyre on the gcd at least lol

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so the pacing is easier

gusty mirage
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no shot

desert inlet
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like it's physically easier for your fingers to move

cerulean nest
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just muscle memory. played sin this whole tier so the sequence takes zero thought for me. but starting sub on smold and pressing 11 buttons over 5 gcds was difficult lol and i feel like thats reasonable

gusty mirage
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I mean that's just inherently not a true statement

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sub has 4 buttons off the GCD in its opener

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dance, symbols, blades, and coldblood

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and cb is macro'd into sectech

cerulean nest
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ashes

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vanish

gusty mirage
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do you not press those for assassination?

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and also you can macro ashes to sectech

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so

cerulean nest
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not consecutively like this

gusty mirage
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you don't press branch with DM?

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@desert inlet

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there you go

cerulean nest
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its macroed. but macroing ashes to sectech would likely use it when you dont mean to on a non-intermission moment

shy pecan
gusty mirage
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I mean it's a dps gain to use it with sectech

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so

cerulean nest
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unless you mean a totally separate ashes+sectrech keybind

gusty mirage
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also unless you're playing double on-use

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it's almost impossible to use ashes at the "wrong time"

cerulean nest
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I'm talking exclusively about smolderon

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this whole time lol

gusty mirage
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yes

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I am too

dark token
gusty mirage
cerulean nest
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so like 90% of people I am playing double on use yes

dark token
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Because you use sectech after 2 mins have gone since last ashes use, but before blades is back up

desert inlet
thorn fjord
dark token
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Yes you sync it with cb/sectech but during flag/blades

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If you won't lose a use

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Not to mention you sectech without cold blood often

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And a macro could use ashes there

cerulean nest
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you can macro it but then you'll use it outside of intermission and thats a pointless waste

fast fog
gusty mirage
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yeah and my aunt could have balls and be my uncle

dark token
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For me I just have them in similar keys, sectech is X and ashes is alt + X

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So it's like a double tap

fast fog
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Yall using Bark and Ashes in M+ or just one and passive?

dark token
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For sin no

desert inlet
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Just one + crab rn

spice spire
desert inlet
cerulean nest
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all I'm saying is doing this routine is physically more demanding than sin's opener lol

desert inlet
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u got something against crab?

runic hinge
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We all return to crab

quiet oar
gusty mirage
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it's 100% because he's more used to the sin opener

cerulean nest
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yeah of course, but its also just way more buttons crammed into a shorter time frame

quiet oar
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Like its always harder

cerulean nest
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but yes most is muslce memory

quiet oar
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To get your muscle memory

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But as soon as it settles

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Both are easy to handle

spice spire
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Damn I ain’t reading this essay

quiet oar
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But thats how practice works

strong cradle
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Is Tempest mandatory in M+ now? Sins feels really bad since nerfs and trying new things to avoid swapping out Outlaw

limber lion
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Macro blades, dance, sod and potion together

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Ez

quiet oar
spice spire
cerulean nest
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my friends and brothers. im not saying "the opener is SO difficult that Ii cant possibly do it help". im saying "its more involved than sin's"

limber lion
cerulean nest
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thats all lol

limber lion
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Just depends what you're going for

grim tangle
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it's all easy, just press the right buttons at the right time

desert inlet
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u r dum n stink

quiet oar
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Just press Buttons man

desert inlet
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!!

gusty mirage
limber lion
limber lion
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Difficulty is subjective

spice spire
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Amen

keen spruce
wide ferry
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tracking flag, sod, vanishes, blades, dance, rupture, and slice and dice is maad fun, then when danse procs do ss+ev+bs+ev+ss sectech+cb is just insane. i love sin 100x more

limber lion
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I think Sub opener is easier to pull off personally

spice spire
wide ferry
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butttt f me right

limber lion
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It flows very well

gusty mirage
spice spire
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If you’re not on GCD, you’ve hecked up the sin opener

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It’s tight

keen spruce
quiet oar
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tbh

dark token
gray crest
gray crest
fickle pond
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just so im not misunderstanding the information im reading and the sims i launched... augury isnt that good for assassination correct?

gusty mirage
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correct

fickle pond
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@gusty mirage ty

native heron
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is there a way to sim poisons?

fickle pond
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i guess it then begs the question is augury good for any spec?

gusty mirage
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essentially if it isn't branch (or ashes, but branch is better damage ashes is less brainpower), sandglass/pips/crab/signet you don't care about it

quiet oar
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and some tanks

limber lion
gusty mirage
real stirrup
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are spiders bugged on last boss Atal? Literally defy physics these things

desert inlet
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spiders are bugs but they're not insects

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hope this helps

real stirrup
real stirrup
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Just feel like stacking on tank is not 100%

keen spruce
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well like

past forum
keen spruce
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if the tank tanks bad

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then stacking on the tank is bad

spice spire
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Blocked

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Reported to discord for terrorism

proven jasper
real stirrup
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I ressed, no spiders, move, get blasted by purple blast

proven jasper
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They can spawn under you

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mightve happened

gray crest
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Ill handle the terrorism, dont worry

real stirrup
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12 minutes to spare on a 23 and we didnt time it

royal lantern
keen spruce
spice spire
past forum
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We’re spending all season getting blasted by purple on Details boss, we should be used to it by now

gray crest
royal lantern
desert inlet
cerulean nest
gray crest
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Yeah I remember. We took way too long on larodar and nymue, but we did ok on smolderon

gray crest
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aka we slipped from us 120 to us 160, then went back to us 120

cerulean nest
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nice thats lit

gusty mirage
gray crest
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SDS-thrall

gusty mirage
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(i miss us)

gray crest
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The best raiding experience ive had imo

spice spire
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Dagger to the heart man

ashen gust
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Hi, I'm new at wow. I started leveling a rogue sin, I'm currently level 31 and leveling mostly through dungeons. However, I find that I'm almost always 3rd at dmg, barely above the tank if at all. In single targets I work better, but in AoE, I'm always behind. I spam Fan of Knives and I use the AoE spender aswell, but still lack damage. Am I just playing wrong (like, I'm new, of course I am, but how should I be playing when >2 ads)? Does the spec lack AoE dmg when played at high level too? In that case I'd assume it isn't that good at high level. Sorry for the wall.

proven jasper
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At level 31 youre 100% missing core aoe talents in the tree

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Assa has real good aoe

runic hinge
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So I got my myth Nichole fulltime today but I crafted a dagger 2 weeks ago because it had my flavor pocket on it CryBoy

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And I thought I’d never see one

desert inlet
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suffering from success

cursive owl
strong cradle
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Just pulled a Mydas from vault, feel like it’s a sign to switch to Outlaw, but I really do prefer Sin. Torn

arctic hare
leaden finch
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what talents we use this week?

lucid rain
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sin is damage over time-based and you don't get access to a talent that makes it easier in leveling dungeons for a while

slate crown
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Yeah leveling dungeons with sin will be painful

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In open world they're both great though

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I prefer sin for open world because sub's happy-fun-time button is too strong

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I used dance and the mob falls over and it all gets wasted, having to try to aoe as much as I can but stuff just evaporates

lucid rain
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off-topic but sin in timewalking is hilarious

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there's some weird scaling business going on that makes sudden demise do 10 billion damage

tepid charm
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I wonder if the calculation is using unscaled bleed damage values or something lol

runic hinge
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It’s a tragedy really

spice spire
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You’re laughing? I lost 60k and you’re laughing?

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Or whatever was said in the Joker

young fossil
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my first 19

spice spire
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Grats

drifting light
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
tame sand
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!up

balmy condor
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Caustic has some limits though

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But it’s got funky scaling with outdoor level scaling things

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Sudden demise is raw unscaled calc I believe

runic hinge
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I bet the current talents make mage tower so easy

balmy condor
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Yeh

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Mage tower is an absolute roll now

runic hinge
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I did spriest in 5 tries this morning

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That’s why it’s on my mind

tepid charm
shut owl
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as long as the instance doesnt bug and freak out, the tower is quite chill

junior yoke
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are u guys rdy?

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btw this is "everbloom"

spice spire
tame tangle
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that won’t effect ur vault lol

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but i hope you get it

junior yoke
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oh rly? ... xd

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I know

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I was just spamming for trink

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I have around 45 runs this season

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meanwhile I can be capping vault, I know it does not depend on the loot

junior yoke
quiet oar
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You hsve to be really unlucky

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To have 47 runs in eb

split jewel
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if i add a socket to my wrists, does it disappear if I recraft?

subtle kettle
split jewel
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thanks

junior yoke
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I just counted it

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52 runs

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check it here

limber lion
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Damn you sure love that dungeon

junior yoke
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and 0 trinkets ^^

junior yoke
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It's really pissing me off but meh... what u gonna do

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rng issues

exotic hearth
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We're back to DTB for M+ instead of AP? When did that change

limber lion
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No

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It's all the same, just play what you prefer

limber lion
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and what you want for which dungeon

junior yoke
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yaay, I played those for the tyrannical

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220 k overall

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for a 470 with no shit on best in slot

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not bad

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well good night, if u don't mind I'll share my 3 shit loots on here tomorrow

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bb

quiet oar
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Like its 4 items

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In the loot table

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Have you just tried

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Looting the Trinket

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Like Fr

junior yoke
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fu besh

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hahahahaa

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.I.

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I know it man, just always unlucky on whaat I want on this game

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happened 15 years ago, it's still happening now

quiet oar
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You have no one thst could go with you?

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To trade?

scarlet sable
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myth branch or wep in vault

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gotta go branch obvi dreamcarver on farm

dark token
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Socket and go ashes

spice spire
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No

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If the weapon is Nicholas

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Probably that

runic hinge
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Always Nichole full time

dark token
quiet oar
runic hinge
deft vault
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where should we craft alchemical flavor pocket? cloak or ring?

quiet oar
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Prob Ring

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Because Ring has a free socket

deft vault
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i mean like in a full gear setup would it be better on rin or cloak

quiet oar
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Hnm

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My guess would be Ring. But safe Thing would be simming

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Tbh

scarlet sable
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It was dreamcarver

cursive marsh
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
gray hazel
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Are peeps liking ashes/hour glass over branch and pips in keys?

dark token
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Branch and pips should be bis key setup

gray hazel
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I’ve noticed some peeps not use branch and opt for ashes instead. Pips is prob more of a don’t have it angle

balmy condor
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only reason to not use branch is for the ease of use

normal plaza
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@balmy condor Hey, there is a chance for u to make a WA for pool energy same as u did for sin rogue but for outlaw or sub?. It helps a lot when u have to swap specs in keys.

deft vault
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whats the command on wcl to see damage to shield on tindral

balmy condor
balmy condor
woeful cipher
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anyone else simming vers gems and enchants? seems odd

runic hinge
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My ring craft wanted me to do verse mastery

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I didn’t tho because it was only like 100 dps more than the missive I already had in

cerulean nest
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is there an easy way to sim all crafting stats options?

balmy condor
runic hinge
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I went in tc research and grabbed the thing to put crafted items in your top gear and simmed that way

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Should be in the pins there

cerulean nest
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ah sweet ty

woeful cipher
runic hinge
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Since I was crafting a ring I just went and found the ring section and copy and pasted that

cerulean nest
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trying that now

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i kinda doubt larodar/igira rings get beat by that much

runic hinge
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My rings were not upgraded hero track so it was a decent bit of damage

cerulean nest
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ah then yeah

upper breach
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for sanguine blades do we wanna try and sit above 50% energy or just send abilities when possible (single target)

old halo
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!pooling

prisma monolithBOT
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Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

  • If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
  • Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
  • Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
  • With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
tame sand
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oh wow i think i just realised how CT works
damage x3

soft sigil
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!dagger

subtle karma
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
old halo
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finally got one, im going critter to help healers parse lmao

exotic epoch
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!dagger

keen spruce
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maybe we all critter to supress our stats and maybe they un-nerf us

balmy condor
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surely

storm monolith
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Yo uh

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Outlaw is kinda cracked

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I was on my mistweaver and had two in my group in a key (I think it was 13 I don't remember). Bro they have got so many goddamn buttons and effects its insane. I'm over here losing my mind having to listen to all the dice rolls

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Every attack sounds like they're either firing an 8 gauge or beating some poor sod eith a baseball bat because he owes them money

balmy condor
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outlaw's main spec design is "fast"

green apex
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.1% DPS loss worth the HPS from the ouroboros neck shield?

Were progging mythic (prob won't get past 6) and pushing 23s

weary badger
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yo where do u guys find the mechanical enemy for dagger lol

shy pecan
weary badger
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oh. shit didnt think of that

woeful meteor
dusk sun
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!wa

balmy condor
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the shield on that thing sucks

green apex
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ty gang ❤️

gray hazel
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Hey Whispyr, can you post your DM, Pot, Trinket macro? I cant recall what vid i saw it in. but i liked how you had it compared to what i am using

green apex
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I simmed it again (was in M+ Hybrid when I simmed it so smooth brained )and it was a .3% dps increase (best from my vault), so may take it anyway.

balmy condor
gray hazel
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Thank you!

balmy condor
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if you use ashes you want to move the /use 13 /use 14 to your dance+kb macro

gray hazel
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kk, I still press those individually still

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I was thinking about using ashes for M+

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would it still be used for SD and KB?

balmy condor
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yeh

gray hazel
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thanks!

balmy condor
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use with KB or slightly after

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but the difference is minimal

tall atlas
balmy condor
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Ty for spaghetti profile pic

tall atlas
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It’s my name in spaghetti

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With a meatball as the dot on the i

balmy condor
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banger pic

tall atlas
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Cos my Xbox name was bolognesebandit and rogue was Ovid so friend done it

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Ty babes

humble kayak
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pips or signet?

balmy condor
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for what situation

humble kayak
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stabbing things

balmy condor
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aight well

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that's not really helpful towards helping you

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so I'm just gonna say pips

humble kayak
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blood mallet is swearing by signet so idk

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mostly raid, some m_

balmy condor
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yeh

humble kayak
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m+

balmy condor
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signet is much better in the situation where its good

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and much worse in the situations where it's not good

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need a longer fight

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and no fight breaks

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so like a 3 min heroic smolderon kill, or m+? shit trinket

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but like mythic fyrakk prog? mythic smolderon prog? signet big

violet sonnet
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so when im chaining, do i just spam envenom until i cant then wait until im back to max energy or is there a specific energy im looking to start the chain at again

humble kayak
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so, being mythic prog 4 bosses in, signet worth it?

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longer fights, etc

weary badger
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is 11% haste bad

woeful meteor
torn atlas
violet sonnet
spice spire
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%s don’t matter. Nothing matters. Just follow the robot our goat

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Play better

storm monolith
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vault is full of garbage madge

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hmmmm

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26 ilvl increase on cape or wyrm crests from coins............

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gotta go with cape. most of my stuff is already maxed on wyrm crests anyways

violet sonnet
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can anyone explain the tier set to me like im 3

spice spire
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Which part

tranquil flint
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thats why "pooling" exists cause if you can't build cp to cast envenom while the debuff is still up, you aren't using your tier

storm forum
cerulean nest
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these are at 489

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we donezo

balmy condor
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bros bissed out

cerulean nest
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call me Bisstopher Nolan

balmy condor
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got ilvl under your tree this year

thorn fjord
abstract junco
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Totally off-topic, but offhandedly curious to hear what people think: if you had to pick the best M+ group comp for how y'all personally like to play Assa, what would it be?

abstract junco
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Ok

thorn fjord
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I’m dumb nm

storm monolith
abstract junco
# thorn fjord I’m dumb nm

Np but also mb for not clarifying -- I'm curious what people lean toward personally enjoying. Frex I like running with VDH and Fire, but haven't really considered my preference for the other two options.

runic hinge
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I don’t think enhance takes wf in keys tho so maybe I’m replacing that with something else

abstract junco
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I think I love Aug when we know/trust the player, but Fire all the way if it's a total pug

storm monolith
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anyone know of a panther mount that isn't the jewelcrafting ones?

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only thing i can find is this kind of underwhelming one from Zul Garub

runic hinge
storm monolith
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oh good lord that's 2 months of prep work lol

runic hinge
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Yeah. I should get back to it

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Looks so good

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Warden transmog in like 6 days too

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Ooooweee

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Would be styling

hexed willow
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Off topic, but what other specs feel as good to play as assassination’s gameplay?

thorn fjord
abstract junco
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Yeah

storm monolith
thorn fjord
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Sub is more versatile imo

storm monolith
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outlaw is a real clusterfuck i'll be honest. like, there's probably a flow state you have to be in to play outlaw well

thorn fjord
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But OL doesn’t die

slate crown
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!wa

plain moon
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Ashes is just a macro to kingsbane angle right?

restive falcon
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so my guild was trolling a bit we had like 6 nymue wipes

#

and last pull i went "fuck it im swapping branch off and going ashes" and i get a 99

weary badger
#

godamn yazma is so aids

restive falcon
#

ashes used for parsing bark for prog

balmy condor
#

other way around

restive falcon
#

maybe its just a placebo in my mind

#

that i played well and just happened to have ashes on that pull

slim hamlet
#

Spiked Counterweight pepe_chad

dark token
cinder parrot
#

what % of your dmg should be from sanguine blades assuming you have 99% uptime on a boss?

dark token
#

Does it matter

#

You don't play around it

#

Idk why people are obsessed with dmg breakdowns rather than rotational mistakes

cinder parrot
#

I'm always low on energy cuz I'm using stuff off cooldown but the talent is supposed to be the opposite of that

#

yet I'm still able to parse 90+ on bosses, so I wanna know if that talent matters a lot to getting my parse up to a 99 for example

lucid scroll
#

?

#

you dont play around sanguine with 4p

#

the damage breakdown is irrelevant its all passive damage when ur reseting ur envenom windows

spice spire
dark token
#

Dmg breakdowns don't often tell u much about if u are playing rotation correctly

glad tundra
#

can i link a log here to have someone give me pointers?

dark token
#

And in this case you don't play around sanguine at all so

glad tundra
glad tundra
spice spire
glad tundra
woeful meteor
clever perch
#

the fk is this trinket?

#

ember of nullification

#

first time i see it kekw

#

is it good for any rogue spec?

#

i guess is not xD

proven carbon
#

my guild's most recent log doesnt have any parses
is this a site bug or?

proven carbon
weary badger
#

do we go arterial for raging this week

#

haha

balmy condor
#

if you'd like to

balmy condor
balmy condor
proven carbon
balmy condor
#

skill issue

proven carbon
#

:(

wild birch
#

Guess I got very lucky

balmy condor
#

indeed you did

raven egret
#

and grats!

wild birch
raven egret
#

Right now for me its the wait for the Mythic Nick of Time. I dont have much hope but, vault could bless me with it any week I suppose

balmy condor
#

yeh I'm basically in the same spot

#

need 2 more tier pieces

#

and then it's just vault waiters

#

my token likes dropping the same slots every week

raven egret
#

I'm really damn happy we got catalyst charges early, cause token wise my raid has no been blessed for my token

dark token
#

Imo they should turn off tier drops after a character accumulates 4 catalyst charges or 4set or something

junior yoke
#

so, no:(

nocturne torrent
#

Was hoping to get some help with logs especially for volc, first raid on this character. Just an alt I was filling in for someone on but any help would be appreciated

past forum
#

Just out of curiosity how much value is there in upgrading branch from hero to myth? Does it give a noticeable amount more mastery or just a lil more base agi on the trinket?

runic hinge
#

Both I think but I only have hero branch currently

balmy condor
#

yeh, both

#

going from 483 to 489 should be like 0.4%?

celest wolf
#

Heya. When is too much mastery a bad thing ? I am 61%.

sweet shore
#

When it sims less than an item that doesn’t give mastery

sweet shore
#

Hate to be that guy again but just sim your gear there’s no percent or target number

#

I’m not sure what you want me to tell you. You give us your mastery percentage with not only no other context of your gear but stats in general. The answer you want isn’t binary of you have too much or too little

sweet shore
#

Thank you

celest wolf
drifting cloud
#

if a stat is really strong the drs usually arent enough to suddenly make it bad

#

either way, we dont know the numbers off the top of our heads thats why we ask the robots

#

especially for assa this patch since mastery purely depends if youre using branch or not

junior yoke
#

Anyway, if you are at 61 with the branch, I think that’s too high

celest wolf
#

Thanks ... I will sim some more.

junior yoke
#

Yw 🙂

delicate trench
#

!wa

arctic tusk
#

this is my 3rd mydas

#

in vaults

#

do i just swap to outlaw

#

or what

rotund oak
sweet shore
#

Start working on that outlaw set

junior yoke
#

I mean 1 on 2 different vaults

fossil loom
#

if your bleeds are bout to run out, do you refresh them even if it means dropping an envenom chain then pool to envenom chain again, or prioritize keeping envenom up?

drifting cloud
#

always bleeds

fossil loom
#

tyvm!

drifting cloud
#

unless its an aoe scenario where mobs are close to dieing I guess

fossil loom
#

makes sense ty

worn badger
#

I'm REALLY confused. mr robot default raiding sim is showing a 431 fystias fiery krys as better than my 463 nick of time in offhand ..

junior yoke
balmy condor
#

is that mr robot

#

as in

#

ask mr robot?

drifting cloud
#

oh no hes arrived

keen spruce
balmy condor
#

I'm not even mad

worn badger
#

Whys is probably mostly machine but that doesnt make him a robot

balmy condor
#

finding someone who uses ask mr robot

#

is incredibly rare

drifting cloud
#

tldr: ask mr. robot hasnt been accurate since like 2017 the earliest

balmy condor
#

it's like watching a wild animal

#

out in an african safari

worn badger
#

dam. now i do feel old

balmy condor
#

you just watch it from afar

worn badger
#

so educate and old tired sick gamer dad. what "easy" sim should i be using ?

balmy condor
#

raidbots

worn badger
#

heard

balmy condor
#

!simguide

prisma monolithBOT
#

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

drifting cloud
#

it looks a lot at first but its quite easy once you get the basic hang of it

balmy condor
#

has it really only been 6 years since ask mr robot imploded

drifting cloud
#

I might have been rounding in the wrong direction, I remember in legion people still used local simc

#

not sure when raidbots really started popping off

balmy condor
#

yeah I mean amr sucked during wod even right

drifting cloud
#

think it was okayish in wod

#

but honestly not 100% on that

balmy condor
#

I remember a guildmate in blackrock foundry telling me it was sus as fuck

#

one of my earliest memories of sims in general

worn badger
#

weird thing is im pretty sure i was using raidbots in season 1 , but somehow my addons disabled it and robot was back.

balmy condor
#

when did blackrock come out

#

oh god

worn badger
#

i found my email invite to the original friends and family alpha last night. thats somehow worse

drifting cloud
balmy condor
#

I found a reddit thread from 10 years ago where they were praising amr but also saying it's finnicky and there's a couple people here pointing out simcraft to get more accurate numbers to then plug into amr

#

holy this is so jank

#

sim first for stat weights -> enter stat weights into AMR -> AMR spits out more accurate gear recommendations

#

it's like pawn with extra steps

#

what a wild journey

runic hinge
#

I think I used amr in FL but I could be wrong

worn badger
#

any one going to play cata classic just for reliving fangs nostalgia ?

wild birch
#

What's the best way to reapply rupture without dropping envenom buff during downtime?

glacial shuttle
#

let envenom drop

#

if it's a choice between the two, let it drop

wild birch
#

Yeah, that's one choice, but is there a way to prep so you don't lose envenom. Maybe envenom at 6cp and in those 8s of envenom buff reapply rupture and keep up envenom?

glacial shuttle
#

yeah that's the ideal scenario but eventually you'll have to pool energy to prepare for the next kingsbane window and you're probably going to have envenom buff drop when pooling anyway

glacial shuttle
#

;p lisonna you nerd haaha

desert inlet
junior yoke
#

Hi

#

What can I do to hack my vault items?

#

Ty in advance

desert inlet
#

I think ur dad has to get a job at blizzard

junior yoke
#

Pffff man I have easier than him, he’s 70

desert inlet
#

ageism :(

junior yoke
#

Don’t tell me that pls

#

I just want my branch

#

I don’t want to play more everblooms

desert inlet
#

u gotta

junior yoke
#

No pls i’m 52 runs

#

I will leave eb forever

desert inlet
#

back to the everbloom mines with you

junior yoke
#

Don’t u have the f**** trinket either?

slate crown
#

??

desert inlet
#

me have

junior yoke
junior yoke
runic hinge
#

I use ashes because I’m too stupid for branch

junior yoke
#

Time*

runic hinge
#

I raid one night a week for 3 hours.

junior yoke
#

Can’t do that, need to sleep

glacial shuttle
#

@desert inlet spotted o3o

junior yoke
#

I was thinking on joining a weekend raid, but nobody does

runic hinge
#

I found a Sunday night guild but just for aotc

junior yoke
#

I mean I just want to beat heroic, no need to mythic

desert inlet
junior yoke
#

I just want hc runs fast and easy

runic hinge
#

We haven’t cleared yet but probably soon

junior yoke
#

U NA or EU?

worn badger
#

i need to find a west coast night raiding group 😕 been in my guild for 23 years(yes were older than wow) but they raid when im at work these days

runic hinge
#

NA

junior yoke
#

Yay, I’d like to find somth that raids 2-3 hours clear hc and ggs

junior yoke
runic hinge
#

Makes sense

junior yoke
#

I’ll try to find smth after christmas, on raiderio or warcraftlogs

violet jackal
#

!whispyr

violet jackal
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
astral cypress
#

hey fellow rogues 🙂 which talents are you speccing this week for m+?

normal mist
#

Cleave always, just feels right

turbid sandal
#

How good is Signet? I got one in the vault but not sure just how good it is for Sin

proud salmon
#

sim it

#

or check wcl

#

and see what trinkets people run

#

for fights

#

the fight has to be longer than 3 minutes

#

or you have to do an m+ dungeon and never encounter 15 seconds of downtime

#

wowhead made an entire article on the trinket

keen spruce
#

for me it was AP always, just feels right

#

until last week then i needed to boss slammage

keen spruce
#

even bis

#

but it's not super flexible

turbid sandal
pseudo hamlet
#

I am always checking out the TOP mythic kills to see on which encounter most of the rogues are using it.

#

It's mostly used(higher %) on Larodar, Nymue, Tindral and Fyrakk(as first or the second trinket).

keen spruce
#

well if you only have a heroic, you still probably take mythic pips over it

#

and it's not going in the active slot over ashes or branch

#

so it really depends onw hat you've got access to

turbid sandal
tawny geyser
#

Are we playing Hyrbid this week?

pseudo hamlet
#

Hybrid or Arterial are cool this week, yeah 😄

tawny geyser
#

What the hell is this 😮

#

Sims highest 😂

pseudo hamlet
#

It's a great trinket tbh. Sometimes sims higher than 483ilvl signet/sandglass

tawny geyser
#

Yeah it simmed higher than my Pips or Sandglass.

#

0.8% increase actually.

cunning geyser
#

think I'm looking at a socket angle today sadly

pseudo hamlet
cunning geyser
#

...

tawny geyser
#
  • 3 Nicks just sitting in bag 😂
pseudo hamlet
#

Did 8x +20-22 Fall last week for the trinket(it dropped on the last), got 2x Nick of Time and now in the Vault, Blizzard thought I was targeting the dagger lol

normal mist
rugged grail
#

is the patchwerk 5min sim still viable for 6/9 reclean ?

dry chasm
#

GUCCIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

jade hemlock
#

Why is wafting devotion better than sophic by a seemingly large margin - a 489 wep from a 483 is a mild downgrade just because of the enchant diff according to raidbots

keen spruce
#

we're just reaching a point where the secondaries on wafting perform better than the main stat on sophic

#

depends on your gear

drifting cloud
#

just got so much more main stat now so it makes the main stat proc weaker relatively, remember how big sophic procs in dance were for sub in vault

jade hemlock
#

Fair enough, its a big upgrade still for sub but its forcing me to run two sets of daggers

grim jay
#

and 2 offhands with wafting and sophic each

#

thats like 500 dps worse in sin gear

sullen quest
#

I forgot how cool the mop CM set was

grim jay
#

from cm

sullen quest
#

oh yeah wod

#

I never got those

keen spruce
#

I'm big sad that i was such a scrub back then

sullen quest
keen spruce
#

and never got that set

sullen quest
#

rip

grim jay
#

theyll prolly come back

#

just wait a while

keen spruce
#

yeah i'm wondering

grim jay
#

with the trading post thingy

sullen quest
#

dont worry it will be re released through amazon prime

keen spruce
#

if it will be in the

sullen quest
#

and I'll feel giga bad

keen spruce
#

timerunning pandamonium

grim jay
keen spruce
#

if they bring back those sets

grim jay
#

I'd really dig it if they brought back cm

sullen quest
#

they already brought them back right

grim jay
#

in general

sullen quest
#

in lesser form

#

shadowlands blue sets

#

or am I tripping

grim jay
#

wasnt it legion order hall

sullen quest
#

oh yeah order hall

#

thats it

quiet oar
rugged grail
#

is the 5min patchwerk sim still viable for a 6/9 reclean ?

sullen quest
pseudo hamlet
#

There's event called "Pandamonium"(?) in 10.2.7, so I guess they may bring them back with recolors or something different, just as they did with the Mage Tower

grim jay
#

for ST

quiet oar
#

Maybe HD versions

grim jay
#

in general

quiet oar
#

of the sets

rugged grail
#

yeah but as we kill boss maybe quicker

sullen quest
#

t3 ❤️

quiet oar
#

So the "OG" sets are still for those who did it back then

pseudo hamlet
#

Id love to see T2 in HD

sullen quest
grim jay
sullen quest
#

have you seen the HD paladin T2?

grim jay
#

just sim with less time

sullen quest
#

The guy who made that banger should make a rogue T2 in HD too

pseudo hamlet
sullen quest
#

bet he would make it look insane

grim jay
#

ngl rogue sets usually are on the better side

#

warrior looks ass most of the time

#

dh looks weird

#

mage is kinda uh

keen spruce
#

LFG lookin pretty dry in NA

#

who's hiding the +27s

sweet shore
keen spruce
#

time for some double rogue shennanigans

sullen quest
#

Mage T3

#

probably my favorite of all time

#

But mage sets are super hit or miss

#

Ulduar mage set without robe looks sick too

keen spruce
#

but if i bedge

#

then i have to wake up

#

and it wil be tomorrow

drifting cloud
#

always that 1% chance you dont

sullen quest
keen spruce
#

and the responsibilities i put off today

#

will be that much more pressing

#

so if i just don't bedge

#

and keep doin keys

drifting cloud
#

those tuesday keys big importance exs_uwu

keen spruce
#

i can delay

tawny geyser
#

@balmy condor I feel weird about this trinket, but it sims highest both in Dungeon Slice and ST...
I compared Pips, Sandglass, Fractured Times and Ashes.
Do I take it?

keen spruce
#

are the other trinkets also myth track?

tawny geyser
grim jay
#

brother probably low on vers

keen spruce
#

yeah u might just be light on vers idk

#

lemmy check against mine

sullen quest
grim jay
#

I still have 18.5% vers in sin gear

keen spruce
#

also the mirror and ashes won't be good

#

cuz double on use is bad

tawny geyser
#

I think I'll just go with Socket this week.

keen spruce
#

but idk seems pretty competative

#

this is against myth pip or myth sandglass

#

with pi

tawny geyser
#

Yeah but the proc is pretty useless..

keen spruce
#

seems not that bad ApuShrug

#

yeah but it's just got a bunch of stats on it

#

fo free

#

without the proc

balmy condor
# tawny geyser No, 483.

I mean yeh, it’s a stat stick that gives vers, if vers is a good stat for you and it’s higher ilvl than your alternatives then it’ll be good

#

Kinda just how stats work

spice surge
#

The proc isnt part of the budget

#

Its all in the vers+agi

tawny geyser
#

Yeah my verse is very bad, 8.5%
Probably thats why.. .

balmy condor
#

That’s not that bad

#

But yeh idk

#

Check your gems and enchants for vers

#

See if it’s just a crazy good stat for you right now

#

Then recheck the trinket

tawny geyser
keen spruce
#

those sims for mine was at almost 18% vers

balmy condor
#

It’s not bis but 6 ilvl in the less important trinket slot when it’s a good stat

#

Easily can win out

keen spruce
#

i'd imagine if i was comparing it against 483 trinkets it'd still win

balmy condor
sullen quest
#

that trinket sims 1k lower than equal item level sandglass for me, 7k worse than equal item level branch

#

at 9% vers

balmy condor
#

Well yeh it’s not competing for the active slot

keen spruce
#

ye depends on all of your other stats

sullen quest
#

ofc yeah

balmy condor
#

But like I said

#

It’s just passive stats

#

If those passive stats are good

#

It’s good

#

If they’re not

#

It’s not

balmy condor
#

I hate stat weights but it makes it really obvious in this example, let’s say his vers value is 10, and yours is 7.5

#

That thing has what

#

700 vers?

sullen quest
#

700

#

ish

balmy condor
#

Yeh that’s a swing of 1750 dps

storm cloak
#

I need the witherbranch so bad

#

So tired of farming everbloom

sullen quest
#

weights SOMEWHAT usable here because you're not replacing a secondary with another

#

still scale factors mess up the actual value

#

but i see your point

balmy condor
#

Same item, just difference in value between two people

#

And when we’re comparing items for fucking like 70 dps

#

Now it swings almost 2k

#

It’s gonna be weird

sullen quest
#

The effect is really cool, though I feel like usually it'l just grief your kick

keen spruce
#

I actually didn't realize how close it simmed. I gave one away to some grubby pug last week

keen spruce
#

seems kind nice in m+ tbh, even if it randomly yoinks like one interrupt or somethin

crisp pine
#

I love socketing versatility

balmy condor
#

Vers good stat

#

Vers trinket good trinket

#

Math is checking out

#

Another successful day for numbers

crisp pine
#

I fucking hate numbers

#

I changed my details reporting to "big damage" and "small damage"

storm forum
#

Number have the worst PR for good reason

balmy condor
storm forum
#

I haven't played WoW in like 3 days and I'm having anxiety tremors

balmy condor
#

Sounds unhealthy

storm forum
#

Yeah

crisp pine
#

Fuck Aug Evoker

balmy condor
storm forum
#

Should I quit wow or play more?

keen spruce
#

i'm stayin at my moms for a few weeks over the holidays

#

and I ahve absolutely fking destroyed her data

#

but she worked in IT her whole career

#

so she's texting me daily comcast usage printouts

#

MadgeTime basically doin this

#

asking if we're gonna mke it to january

balmy condor
#

Bruh

storm forum
#

My health is negative. IRL regen is whack. Spent all day in bed and I still feel like I'm going to die.

keen spruce
#

I didn't realize how often I stream to friends on discord

crisp pine
#

So you can regenerate 5 HP per second
And there's nothing anyone can do about it

storm forum
#

I am a troll though

balmy condor
drifting cloud
#

shmeeps cranking that 1440p 60fps streams for hours for sure

storm forum
#

Just check whispyr's deleted messages log

balmy condor
#

It actually doesn’t track who deleted

#

Just that they’re deleted

storm forum
#

Rip

keen spruce
#

I just forgot that people like.. haven't complained to comcast until they give you an unlimited plan

drifting cloud
#

also obligatory comcast lmao

balmy condor
drifting cloud
#

!bitrate

balmy condor
#

Fuck you

#

And Comcast

storm forum
#

Whispyr how many deleted messages have I sent? Is there a way to count those?

keen spruce
#

comcast always been very good to me ApuShrug

balmy condor
#

Uhhhh

#

It won’t be a complete list

keen spruce
#

but ig it's relative

balmy condor
#

But I guess it’s possible

#

One moment

storm forum
#

Oh no

drifting cloud
#

hes going to the bot channels

#

youre done for

keen spruce
storm forum
#

He's going to see hundreds and ban me