those pocket sized rats tho
#assassination
blissful forge
neat plank
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
wild condor
Question do we always run Wafting Devotion or just Sim it in case Sophic Devotion is better?
slate crown
Sim
eager solstice
Question do we always run Wafting Devotion or just Sim it in case Sophic Devotio...
Sim friend
wild condor
KK thank you
south olive
do you bother upkeeping crimson tempest on m+ bosses?
south olive
thank you! sorry for such a noob qn HAHA
was feeling energy starved on some fights (prob rotational issue) but if i dont need that thats some back
south olive
ya ! was just applying it to have all dots rolling sdifohsd silly mistake
taking my 40 energy back and running
runic hinge
Or just one is enough?
Always save shiv for kb
glacial lantern
so 2 charges?
gray hazel
Yeah
glacial lantern
Allright, thanks
tawny geyser
Why do we feel so weak now in M+ ?
I’ve been running 25s and dmg isnt looking great, at least on adds, compared to DH, Hunters, Outlaw etc…
Is it because I am not running Tempest or what?
If I run Tempest I’ll lose lots of boss dmg.
limpid moth
im an out law running 25s and i never get to see what other sins dmg is like in this level because im the rogue in the key xD
clever sapphire
Also comparing yourself with a dh and hunter in geoup on a tyra week
Trash dies before your non aoe build could ramp up
slim hamlet
dark token
This is why I don't advocate for cleave build being run by most people
Almost everyone should be using hybrid
waxen oyster
why do people act like they “need” more st damage
when half the time bosses are a mechanics check
not numbers
dark token
That's the other thing
U should do the omega boss dam build when in keys that bosses scale multiplicatively off ur st dam
E g. Rise/fall have Tyr and iridikron
If you have low dam you get more shield phases
Making the boss even longer
But on brh or ataldazar? Doesn't really matter
waxen oyster
well i guess it goes back to a point someone mentioned once
dark token
Go for max overall dam in those keys
waxen oyster
that alot of pug m+ players
only succeed by bruteforcing
and not understanding dungeon mechanics
royal lantern
and not understanding dungeon mechanics
99,9999999% of ranged players standing at max range on yazma
🙂
waxen oyster
reroll fotm
fail the same key 10x
succeed the 11th when you rng find better players to carry you
flex io gained
pug player pov
obtuse quiver
hey sorry the tl;dr on talents is CT/sudden demise for fort and arterial precision on tyrannical right? is my understanding of things
waxen oyster
99,9999999% of ranged players standing at max range on yazma
they play ranged you expect them to do mechanics?
dark token
99,9999999% of ranged players standing at max range on yazma
They are so bad lol
dark token
hey sorry the tl;dr on talents is CT/sudden demise for fort and arterial precisi...
No
If you are asking this question
Run hybrid build every key
95% of players should do this
Then on tough tyrannical keys like 27+ consider running CT cleave build or regular cleave build, especially where bosses scale with st damage like rise or fall
Or if you run with a premade 5 and your role is more st
obtuse quiver
the hybrid build being arterial precision?
royal tree
do yall run sudden demise talent build or arterial for DHT
keen spruce
the hybrid build being arterial precision?
no the hybrid build being the hybrid build
cerulean walrus
Hybrid deez nuts
keen spruce
keen spruce
do yall run sudden demise talent build or arterial for DHT
I run the same shit in every dungeon, every week
you take any of the first 3 builds in the picture above
the first 2 feels roughly identical in all cases
keen spruce
the 3rd one is more st
but it doesn't matter
just pick one
and use it
if you don't like it pick a different one, you probably won't like it either
cuz they're all basically the same
I pug a lot, so I don't run cleave build cuz it makes your overall look bad and around 3300 people start to remember who you are
but it's not high enough for people to understand how prio damage works
quiet oar
just pick one
What if i Pick you
obtuse quiver
ok, thanks for spoonfeeding me, i know it's that "asked 10x a day" shit
keen spruce
What if i Pick you
quiet oar
How is prog going shmeeps
spice spire
ok, thanks for spoonfeeding me, i know it's that "asked 10x a day" shit
Yeah but also merry Christmas Eve. Don’t down yourself too bad dog
thorn fjord
Merry Christmas bozo @spice spire
spice spire
Ty mister dieslow
thorn fjord
Did you pick your shit up?
keen spruce
How is prog going shmeeps
no prog this week or next week
cuz xmas and new years
we recleared yesterday. had about 45 minutes to fk with macros on smold
and try the nerfs
probably would have killed today
with a full raid team
and if we actually raided
probably just reclearing again next week
thorn fjord
Yeah smold should die for us after holiday
Like same week hopefully
I’m actually happy with the break
Not like there’s a rush
balmy condor
@spice spire I don't say merry christmas, because if it was merry I'd be fishin
keen spruce
merry fishmas
subtle tundra
<@226508540746006528> I don't say merry christmas, because if it was merry I'd b...
thats so me
woeful meteor
shut canopy
merry christmas all 
balmy condor
Hey guys 👋 i want to wish 🌠 you all a ☃️ happy holidays 🎁. Discord is full of copypasted 🖨️ christmas messages 🎅 ✉️, that people 👨👩👦 don't even read 📖 and just ➡️ forward ➡️to other servers. I don't like that 🚫💢 🙅♂️. I like to write what i deeply wish and what comes from my heart 💝. Our friendships 🤝, from the most deep ones to the most virtual 🌐 ones are very important 💯💯and will never ❌ be represented by a simple message 📑copied from elsewhere. This being said I would like to thank 🫶🫂 all of you. You are the best hockey team i've ever played with 🏑💓🔝🔝
storm monolith
what do you guys do for gold? i'm at my wit's end for gear, i'm ready to just buy crafted shit
over 30 key clears and i haven't even gotten a piece of gear, let alone one that i can actually use
pure moth
Can buy wow tokens for gold. But wqs give a fair amount of gold if you keep doing them.
Weeklies give a chunk
storm monolith
no consistent method?
cerulean walrus
Imagine doing a world quest, ever
storm monolith
like i'm down for world quests, but there's gotta be a stable way to do this
cerulean walrus
storm monolith
i wonder how much an elemental lariat costs
real stirrup
dark token
If you don't have gear do m+
spice spire
<@226508540746006528> I don't say merry christmas, because if it was merry I'd b...
She jolly on my holly until I Ho Ho Ho
storm forum
Merry Chrimbus
gray crest
She jolly on my holly until I Ho Ho Ho
I know of something like that thats like 10x worse. I do not wish to repeat it
spice spire
earnest remnant
She jolly on my holly until I Ho Ho Ho
she eggy on my chesty until i ai ai ai
gray crest
ignore what i just said, this shit it worse^
buoyant pilot
MERRY XMASS TEAM SIN
storm monolith
merry chrimah
spice spire
she eggy on my chesty until i ai ai ai
Really hate this
earnest remnant
not as much as i did
slate crown
i wonder how much an elemental lariat costs
Crafting mats for jewelry is pretty cheap. IDN what commission costs are typically I just craft lariat for tips, I cba to barter
spice spire
not as much as i did
God ur so real love u sm. Hope you have a merry Christmas stealthi
limber lion
bad news buddy
slate crown
Lariat is a super rare recipe
earnest remnant
God ur so real love u sm. Hope you have a merry Christmas stealthi
well christmas is over here but thanks u2 bud
slate crown
yeah but is lariat a recipe you get from levels or is it a drop?
If you randomly happen to be on US Sargeras I can make it for you for free 
spice spire
If you randomly happen to be on US Sargeras I can make it for you for free <:sta...
logs spotted
gray crest
slate crown
<a:blue_siren:849754936669634590> logs spotted <a:blue_siren:849754936669634590>
More like lack of recent logs, also I’ve screenshotted my rankings to this channel before 😛 I am not afraid of you
slate crown
<a:blue_siren:849754936669634590> logs spotted <a:blue_siren:849754936669634590>
Oh are you offering to do a log review? 
(don’t actually)
storm monolith
If you randomly happen to be on US Sargeras I can make it for you for free <:sta...
i'm on icecrown, sadly
spice spire
Oh are you offering to do a log review? <:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706580620> (don...
I’m going to hit filter
spice spire
Tis the season
storm monolith
man i don't even care about the gear being worse at this point, i just want SOMETHING
spice spire
Guess you were naughty this year
storm monolith
40 keys and i haven't seen ANYTHING
limber lion
Man's probably done 4 keys
storm monolith
for real though let me check
i've been doing keys all day, starting at like 8 this morning
spice spire
Maybe if they’re 10s
storm monolith
lmao no it's been way more than 7
spice spire
I ain’t judging
storm monolith
Maybe if they’re 10s
it's been 12's and 10's
storm monolith
mostly because yesterday when i tried to get into anything higher i was shot down each and every time (except the 14 we didn't time that wasn't my fault)
limber lion
That's the level he plays at Quake
spice spire
You can still pound them out
storm monolith
i have to go 12s and 10s cause i'm not accepted into anything else
tried for 3 straight hours yesterday to get into 14s and i didn't get in once
finally gave up and just started doing 12s
slate crown
Can’t you push your own key?
slate crown
Honestly, don’t grind yourself to dust grinding keys if it’s grueling
storm monolith
i'm chill doing it, but not seeing ANYTHING in my personal chest is fucking ridiculous
storm monolith
in all actuality, i think i've done upwards of 20 or so keys today
slate crown
So stay careful, don’t destroy yourself
storm monolith
THE 14 WASN'T MY FUALT
there were 32 deaths in that Throne of Tides run and i only died twice
slate crown
proven jasper
spice spire
runic hinge
bruh that's insane
storm monolith
but yeah it's been a long day
gonna get longer too cause i'm not stopping till i get at least ONE gear upgrade
slate crown
It might be better to take a break. Promise you
proven jasper
It’s definitely not worth it lmao
storm monolith
slightly related note: i hate galakrond's fall
or rise or whatever
the one with that chromie knockoff
proven jasper
Fall is easy af
storm monolith
the hat mechanic is so visibly obfuscated
limber lion
What's your rogue called
slate crown
That’s rise
proven jasper
theres a weakaura that makes chromie 10x easier
slate crown
And yeah, for me plater kind of obscures the hat
storm monolith
theres a weakaura that makes chromie 10x easier
please send me that link
please
i love you long time
slate crown
But I can usually still find it in time and step
spice spire
I’ve never fucked chromie up but I’m just different
slate crown
I’ve never fucked chromie up but I’m just different
Can’t miss the shots you don’t take
storm monolith
storm monolith
i almost wanna try my luck and see if a heroic raid will let me join
slate crown
spice spire
4/4
storm monolith
i doubt it but you never know
spice spire
limber lion
i almost wanna try my luck and see if a heroic raid will let me join
Probs not happening
slate crown
What ilvl are you?
limber lion
Yup
slate crown
Yeah this late in season that’s pretty low to join heroic pugs
proven jasper
Normal gear sounds like an upgrade for you at 459
storm monolith
i'd buy crafted gear if i had any money
it'd at least make me feel somewhat better
proven jasper
its not alot
limber lion
Easiest way to get gear
storm monolith
a lot to you is different than a lot to me
storm monolith
for 463's?
slate crown
Ngl at this point crafters are not necessarily clambering for profits imo
storm monolith
i've got 2k to my name
proven jasper
yeah man
slate crown
You can almost certainly haggle down
proven jasper
thats enough lol
limber lion
Aspect crest is like 10k tbf
proven jasper
Man dont even need the crest
limber lion
If you only get the normal gear then sure
proven jasper
It would still be an upgrade
limber lion
Yeh
frozen iris
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
storm monolith
all my stuff is at least 450, but there's a bit of variation amongst the pieces beyond that
proven jasper
I think a crafted piece with no crest is like 463?
storm monolith
mainhand is 476 and offhand is 463, shoulders and hands are 463
proven jasper
At max rank
storm monolith
waist is 476
slate crown
I think a crafted piece with no crest is like 463?
Yes
storm monolith
i wonder how much a lariat goes for
storm monolith
i've got a leg embellishment
proven jasper
The recipe is like 4 million on zul’jin last i checked
storm monolith
and i got the head enchant from raid
balmy condor
bruh that's insane
I inted but it was aight
First game sucked
Should’ve been like a 750 series
Would’ve been lit
devout karma
limber lion
Always has been
storm monolith
i need to go look up what embellishments i should even be using
oh i need those boots for nature damage
limber lion
For damage
storm monolith
OOOOOOOOO
GOT INTO ATAL 15
please god i've been good
i swear
wait no i don't swear that's bad
storm monolith
yeah number 107. getting tired man
proven jasper
storm monolith
582 runs really tires a guy out
storm monolith
speaking of, how does the rating even work? cause i have a better score on a key that's lower than my highest key
is it a time thing?
storm monolith
ok so better time means better score
storm monolith
and bigger key means bigger score
limber lion
Bigger yes score
storm monolith
thank you for your words of wisdom cev
storm monolith
FINALLY
that 15 was actually fun
it felt challenging, even when everyone was doing their mechs right
AND i got a pants upgrade
so question
do 16's begin the level where hero gear starts dropping? better yet, does anyone have the command to bring up the ilvl table?
slate crown
!up
prisma monolithBOT
storm monolith
thank you friend
slate crown
Grats on the key and pants
slate crown
Yup
storm monolith
15 was tough enough as it was, and i don't think i'll have the damage numbers to keep up in there with my current gear
what's a max quality craft with enchanted wyrm crest?
drifting cloud
476
storm monolith
for WYRM?
slate crown
It’s on the graphic, and yes
storm monolith
surely that's baseline
cause i crafted 476 with whelpling enchanted crest
nvm that's a lie
wow how did i never notice i used the wyrm crest
ok so aspect crests start dropping at 16, hero gear starts being looted at 17, and myth gear comes from vault at 18+
slate crown
Correct.
slate crown
I mean you can upgrade any Myth track piece to 489
storm monolith
oh yeah that's my bad, was looking at loot pickup
oh good lord enchanted crests are expensive
i'm gonna throw up
why are dracothysts 5k
storm monolith
AH right now is selling them for like 4800
keen spruce
I think the cheapest I ever saw them with 3k
storm monolith
4300, my bad
keen spruce
And that was late last season
storm monolith
welp, back to figuring out how to make money
storm monolith
how can i boost people if i don't have the gear to do so
keen spruce
Idk fair point
slate crown
I don’t have advice at the moment, I’ve been Mia from the crafting game since mid 10.1 and just craft for guild, and my initial surge was riding the diamond printing bubble till it popped at the start of the xpac.
spice spire
how can i boost people if i don't have the gear to do so
Shmeeps does it all the time
(He’s a boosted animal)
slate crown
Honestly gathering works
Without initial KP it can be rough but I really enjoy the gathering loop because now it involves dragonriding
Which is actually really fun to have the gathering goal attached to it.
keen spruce
(He’s a boosted animal)
slate crown
Kind of like how in Outer Wilds the ship piloting mechanics are nice and fun but them be tied to the goals of traversing the world and exploring the story makes it perfect
frozen iris
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
misty holly
Without initial KP it can be rough but I really enjoy the gathering loop because...
Gosh no, Dragonriding has made me hate herbalism so much more.
slate crown
Wild
misty holly
There are multiple reasons why, but probably the consistently most frustrating is because you now fly too fast to easily check what nodes you are zooming past before they disappear
and there is no way to stop or slow down without losing your ability to go fast at all
as that is a limited resource
slate crown
That is an improvement they could make
To the minimap Ui
But it didn’t really bother me that much, my gathering alt has a full UI for gathering which centers my minimap and makes it not that hard to mouse over
misty holly
if each herb has a different icon so I could just SEE which ones were popping on the map rather than having to mouse over each icon it would be so much better
slate crown
Yeah that’s a criticism of the gathering minimap icons but I would hardly use that as a reason to hate dragonriding
Like the solution there has nothing to do with dragonriding, just make the minimap show detailed icons, that’s it
fallen forge
Run hybrid build every key
but that execute feels so good 
slate crown
Also my alt is both herb and mining, and in the caverns while trying to keep up the 4-5 various buffs and CDR on overloads (which, btw, is also fun imo) often you just gather everything. Not always, I definitely skip some and have to mouse over to see, but it’s not something I do on every single node
I haven’t done gathering in the dream yet so I don’t know what the new gimmick is
fallen forge
how can i boost people if i don't have the gear to do so
idk just do m+ to get gear with world quest gold and then sell runs when you get gear and io
storm monolith
yeah i've been doing WQ stuff
slate crown
It’s significant
storm monolith
spent about 30 minutes just doing races and some quests and i've got 5k
fallen forge
like if ur on not-full-repair tier broke
storm monolith
i had 1k to my name
fallen forge
ye especially if you have multiple characters the gold adds up
slate crown
Idn also good to just vary your gameplay to not burn yourself out
storm monolith
wait DUH i've got like 8 alts from shadowlands that i haven't gotten to 70
i can just do that, do world quests with them, then funnel
slate crown
Questing gold from leveling is good too
fallen forge
ye i get that pvp itch every once in a while and then i realize im even more dogshit at pvp than i am at pve
slate crown
ye i get that pvp itch every once in a while and then i realize im even more dog...
Yeah lol for me not pvp
past forum
I haven’t done gathering in the dream yet so I don’t know what the new gimmick i...
Herbalism has nodes that turn into treants that you can keep picking as they run away. Not very exciting
slate crown
Oh, so the same as the mushroom dooders in the cavern but more annoying cause you have to pick them
balmy condor
Oh, so the same as the mushroom dooders in the cavern but more annoying cause yo...
If you were a mushroom dooder in the cavern I’d make sure to pick you
I love displacing people from their homes
storm monolith
fbi that you?
strange trail
what do I put into Top gear in order to sim weapon enchants?
I saw something a while ago and I cant find it D:
slate crown
If you were a mushroom dooder in the cavern I’d make sure to pick you
Uwuuwu u mean it
slate crown
what do I put into Top gear in order to sim weapon enchants?
Scroll down to the enchants / gems section
it's just below the gear section
shy pecan
100% if it’s your key
storm monolith
bro wtf
why do i have to do this stupid authenticator thing
i didn't have to before
strange trail
Scroll down to the enchants / gems section
thank you!
storm monolith
LMAO why do i have to download a dumb app
slate crown
need to stop lurking on people's keys and do my own
You can do either, it's just more likely to fill with your own key. Not guaranteed, but mroe likely
slate crown
LMAO why do i have to download a dumb app
I downloaded some authenticator app like 8 years ago
storm monolith
i'm getting pissed off this is DUMB
slate crown
and have not opened it
storm monolith
i do not want this shit on my phone
slate crown
And I launch the game through the launcher
and never ever ever think about it
Just do what it says and it'll be done soon
storm monolith
bro what fucking authenticator code
my blood is boiling
why did they implement this dogshit
slate crown
It's literally 2fa
misty holly
you install the app, then battle.net will ask for the code to verifty it's you
misty holly
it only asks if you change computers
storm monolith
why is it asking me EVERY TIME I LOG IN
misty holly
its to stop someone from guessing your password and logging in
because they will need the code from your phone also
slate crown
Do you play the game from your launcher?
storm monolith
i play it from battle.net launcher
storm monolith
used to be i just put in email and password
slate crown
then I don't know why it's asking you
storm monolith
but now i have to do stupid authenticator code each time
misty holly
but now i have to do stupid authenticator code each time
you shouldnt have to, try restarting battle net
storm monolith
i'm gonna have to go mess with settings now there's GOT to be a way to stop this
slate crown
used to be i just put in email and password
I don't have to enter those. I literally click play in the bnet launcher and it puts me to my char select screen
And it has done that for over 5 years for me
or whatever
Are you signed into bnet in the bnet launcher?
storm monolith
i see what the issue was now
it had me listed as offline
yep that worked
that was so dum
storm monolith
ok so that's EZ money
slate crown
Ok for once I'm asking a technical question here first if anyone knows, because i don't know about plater much
When playing DPS, I want an extra option that is a separate color for when the mob is attacking my pet
as opposed to someone else
How do I do
I assume it needs a separate script because the built in options here don't specifically have that
shy pecan
Yeah, sounds right
storm monolith
getting profession knowledge is such a pain dude
past forum
Oh, so the same as the mushroom dooders in the cavern but more annoying cause yo...
The mushroom doods give glowspores which are actually $$$, the treants just give basic ass herbs that the market is already flooded with
slate crown
Oh herbs suck
When gathering I never cared about herbs really, only cared about spores
Damn treants kinda lame
spice spire
Gather? I hardly know er
slate crown
getting profession knowledge is such a pain dude
Yup
brazen zodiac
professions are pain x.x
storm monolith
ok maybe i don't pug heroics anymore
holy goddamn do people not know how to do mechs
left tulip
if you are refreshing rup and garrote, would you envenom with less than 4 combo points to keep chain going?
like you couldnt get another mutilate off to hit 4 or more CB
without envenmom running out of uptime
keen spruce
without envenmom running out of uptime
that's not why we env (or finish in general) on 4+cp
it's because we don't want to waste CP generated from seal fate
or we want to minimize it
it's pretty marginal though compared to finishing on 5+ cp
left tulip
okay but i mean if i have .5 seconds left to continue envenom chain but also only had 3 CP, would you envenom to keep chain going or start over with more CP
keen flume
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
bitter crow
just gonna park this here:
balmy condor
Don’t need to promote exploits thanks
bitter crow
sorry :<
just found it amusing
also, nobody's figured out how he did it, and everyone's reporting him
spice spire
Don’t need to promote exploits thanks
Wish you’d promote our love king
spice spire
Really hated that
earnest remnant
should have been behind the boss
void mesa
balmy condor
should have been behind the boss
call me should have, and call you boss
earnest remnant
void mesa
outer lodge
balmy condor
merry rizzmas
orchid flume
Merry rizzmas indeed
spice spire
call me should have, and call you boss
keen spruce
storm monolith
i'm gonna choke on the blood leaking down my sinuses because of the anuerism i've gained from people failing raid mechs
i don't even care about damage, this is just asinine to not be able to do a mech
runic hinge
i'm gonna choke on the blood leaking down my sinuses because of the anuerism i'v...
if you do the bt timewalking raid the quest gives you a hero track piece
storm monolith
bt?
storm monolith
if you do the bt timewalking raid the quest gives you a hero track piece
what is bt
runic hinge
black temple
storm monolith
there's time walking stuff for raid? where's the quest?
tall basalt
is there a situational difference for atrophic vs numbing in m+? or do you always take numbing
runic hinge
there's time walking stuff for raid? where's the quest?
Shattrath
then use premade group finder for legacy raids
and sometimes someone is listing for a skip striaght to last boss
fervent nacelle
I'm having trouble getting good enough dps out of kingsbane and out of rogue as a whole. If i can post a clip can you guys spot what i'm doing wrong?
lucid scroll
I'm having trouble getting good enough dps out of kingsbane and out of rogue as ...
have you got logs?
spice spire
Do not ping me 
slate crown
Koolaid man busts through wall “do NOT ask me about my wall busting services” slowly backs out of hole on wall @spice spire
slate crown
I'm having trouble getting good enough dps out of kingsbane and out of rogue as ...
!guide Logs are typically best for this. Also if you’re asking the question here we’ll assume that you’ve done initial homework of looking at guides and such, but just reiterating them as a resource for how to properly sequence during KB
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
fervent nacelle
!guide Logs are typically best for this. Also if you’re asking the question here...
Thanks, and yes i've read wowhead and watched youtube guides. I'll organise a log
slate crown
I won’t be able to look myself, at least not until ~8 hours from now. But logs are best for giving the channel
fierce marsh
does it still have a impact to be behind the monster?
And should i always go for 6 combo points with envenom while pooling? Or 4?
storm monolith
i wish i could just fucking
remove shit
get rid of everbloom
it's an awful place
lucid scroll
does it still have a impact to be behind the monster?
And should i always go for...
can’t be parried behind monsters, 4+ cp envenoms to chain 4p
still stirrup
Only kids who have been good this year get it
quiet oar
If you wanna call it crafted
viral spire
Only crafted weapon is the legendary
Wear it on offhand to lose agi but gain funny green text + ilv inflation
Go to a warrior class trainer to learn 2h dual wield passive first tho
yes I have been doing crack
balmy condor
Don’t need to discuss exploits thanks
lime parrot
Guys can you help me? I need the opener for assa. My burst never gets over 200k dmg.
primal hawk
keen spruce
lime parrot
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve...
I do it like in the guide
distant plinth
What ilvl Are you ?
lime parrot
465
south olive
with witherbark branch bound to deathmark do i want to grab all 3 orbs and then garrote/rupture?
lime parrot
My logs are shit
distant plinth
You arent getting any good logs with that ilvl anyways
lime parrot
I know I know
But I got a rogue yesterday in the raid
His burst was like 50k more
And his ilvl was eqaul with mine
distant plinth
Farm daggers+trinkets
south olive
besides weapons/trinkets yeah you're gonna wanna make sure your thistle tea/vanish times are right on kingsbane
lime parrot
Im so sad 😦
lime parrot
Vanish 4 sec before kingsbane finish?
south olive
3
south olive
when ur low energy
as long as you keep one for bane mastery buff
the others are just for energy
south olive
shiv -> deathmark -> shadowdance/kingsbane -> build and spend envenom to 6s left -> shiv/thistle -> mutilate/envenom -> 3s left vanish/reapply garrote/rupture
i think
then u get mastery buff & nightstalker 10% dam on ur kingsbane last tick
somber basin
u cant say that you do the opener from guide if your opener looks like this
south olive
i might be slightly wrong tho
lime parrot
u cant say that you do the opener from guide if your opener looks like this
But where u can see that?
In the logs
I never seen it like that
Thats gold
somber basin
go to casts and timeline
dark crag
Also the dagger is not a dmg use, you overwrite a beneficial buff everytime you use it
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
sullen quest
What does sass stand for?
slate crown
Merry Christmas
Good night, merry Christmas Saddam
sullen quest
Mistyping of assa?
I'm asking because I've seen multiple people over multiple days use sass when I'm pretty sure from context they were referring to assassination
So I figured it must mean something
slate crown
I think it’s just a common mistyping of assa
sullen quest
ah
leaden sundial
Ah thank u guys ♥️♥️ that will help me a lot
Watch whispyr videos. They are pure gold
you can start with episode 5
Dunno if I can send links. If I am not allowed then please tell me and I will delete it
slate crown
You can link Whispyr vids
royal lantern
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
blazing jewel
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
arctic hare
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
cerulean walrus
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
desert inlet
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
quiet oar
!whispyr
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spice spire
!whispyr
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pallid kite
what should be my overall dps ina 20 key as a 476?
i only get around 140-150 this week
and im pretty sure its crap
limber lion
depends on dungeon, key level, route, build and so on
but 150k is definitely a bit on the low side for any combination of dungeons
pallid kite
i used to play poison bomb on S2 and now im with this
limber lion
that's fine
obsidian ridge
Sounds suboptimal. You are doing low keys as sin on tyrannical though. Difficult to perform well there. I would go for a st centered build and kill bosses at least. Basically raid st build with spatter and ic, do st on the biggest guy in a pack, don't worry about spreading dots outside of ic
That's what I did at least
pallid kite
idk but i think my rotation is a big factor in that dmg even in raids
in raids i get around 130-160k dps
limber lion
personally I'm not the biggest fan of the cleave build in tyrannical keys because packs just feel pretty bad when there's never any big boys to send your cds on
It def helps in ST, but I don't really optimize for the best possible damage and fastest key for 20's
I just play whatever is fun
obsidian ridge
idk but i think my rotation is a big factor in that dmg even in raids
Watch some whispyr videos, sin is really simple once you know the basics
limber lion
You can time any +20 dungeon with 476 ilvl with basically any build
I prefer having fun when grinding out gear and 20's instead of tryharding keys which you will time anyways
Just try different builds out and play whatever is fun to you
But yeah, rotation is pretty critical with any build
pallid kite
idk how to time my branch with deathmark and bane
limber lion
on bosses you use it with deathmark
in aoe you can kinda send it on cd
even if you don't deathmark
pick up 2 orbs, wait 6s for the 3rd one
pallid kite
i still do garrote ambush rupture mutilate slice shiv dm shadowdance bane
that's my opener for bosses
limber lion
Yeah that's wrong to begin with
Would def recommend checking out a guide or going through Whispyr's videos like aDDi suggested.
pallid kite
do you know a video which is the main subject aoe/st for m+?
sullen quest
i used to play poison bomb on S2 and now im with this
playing this build now too
Best advise I can give you is just rack up time played
Lot of muscle memory to unlearn and learn
Just spam some keys while keeping in mind the essentials
static glacier
do you know a video which is the main subject aoe/st for m+?
As in gameplay?
pallid kite
playing this build now too
i do that since s2 and im still trash
in legion was a lot better
pallid kite
As in gameplay?
not necesarilly
i really don't know what build should i try for 18-20
to sustain some dmg on aoe pulls and bosses
i've never tried a build without crimson yet
sullen quest
I'm doing 200-250k overal in 18s with 469
feel like I'm finally doing it right after struggling with prio on big pulls all day yday
pallid kite
i'll do 200k on bloom maybe =))) with the last boss dmg buff
dark token
People being baited by this cleave build when they are doing weekly 20s...
pallid kite
suggest me a build i could go then
dark token
Everyone should run hybrid build until they know better
And are doing coordinated 5 mans in like 27+ keys pushing for title
Then u can check out cleave build and see if it helps ur group
still stirrup
I don't think sin is going to shine unless you are in high keys or its fort/bolstering, everything just dies too fast
dark token
Aka why you should take a build with CT
In low enough keys the AP/sudden demise build will also be better
dark token
Sudden demise is required for low keys
Nah ur baited
That build is a specific optimization for high end keys for their 5man premade
It doesn't work till every pack can live ur deathmark
If you read the section
It says that
But no one reads
sullen quest
OH wait I'm using arterial shock
fallen forge
why read when u can complain about low damage here
sullen quest
not cleave
sullen quest
because i read
dark token
No one should use cleave unless ur pushing for title
pallid kite
mine is arterial
limber lion
No one should use cleave unless ur pushing for title
well honestly it doesn't matter what you play in 20's
if you hate ct or whatever, go ahead and play cleave
dark token
Yeah but cleave is gonna int their overall
limber lion
doesn't matter
you can time 20's with 440 ilvl
with any build
just play whatever is more fun to you
dark token
They care about being optimal for their keys
Why not recommend them the best build for a 20
limber lion
did you not read what I literally just said
dark token
Yeah it's prob only a few % diff
I read what you said I just don't like this fallacy people often say like "it doesn't matter till ur in the top 1% of content"
Everyone wants to optimize
sullen quest
And everyone benefits from it too
dark token
People copy the 1% because they want to play better
limber lion
that's not true
a lot of people ended up playing the cleave build because it gets rid of ct
and it's 100 times easier to play
literally just play whatever is the most fun to you
doesn't matter
they're all so close in output
literally does not matter
if we were to suggest the most optimal builds
then we would have to do that for every affix combo
and dungeon
because you wouldn't play one build in every dungeon
pallid kite
i started a war
limber lion
nah
fleet pagoda
I only play cleave because it's a functional middle ground for tyrannical. I'd rather play CT but it's an incredibly moot global in most keys, even on fortified weeks under 20
limber lion
I only play cleave because it's a functional middle ground for tyrannical. I'd r...
You must be playing it incorrectly then
CT is my #2 dps in every key that I do
around 15% or something
seems like a pretty good button to me
fleet pagoda
it is a good button, that's why I like it. but if things are dying so fast that rupture is out dpsing it, it's not worth taking for me
fallen forge
i started a war
theres at least 4 casualties already
pallid kite
that's my last dungeon
limber lion
CT by design does much more damage than Rupture will ever do in AoE
dark token
it is a good button, that's why I like it. but if things are dying so fast that ...
The point of sudden demise is to instantly bleed out so stuff never "dies fast enough"
Btw
So if you garrote garrote CT a pack and it instantly dies
U will prob be top dmg
limber lion
Also CT plays into Sudden Demise more than Rupture
fallen forge
that's my last dungeon
are you spreading ruptures before ct
fallen forge
if i were running ct i would prio that first imo
dark token
All these people in lower keys or tyrannical weeks who think trash dies too fast should be playing a build with sudden demise
fallen forge
and then rupture the kingsbane target
pallid kite
i do rupture after garrote to get 5 targets for 20% agil
dark token
i do rupture after garrote to get 5 targets for 20% agil
Do this if ur going to kingsbane a pack
fallen forge
i honestly skip it sometimes
dark token
Without kingsbane you are gonna want garrote garrote (garrote if 8t+) ct
fallen forge
shit dies too quick in a 20 anyway just send unoptimized kingsbane
dark token
Then do some fok rupture after
dark token
shit dies too quick in a 20 anyway just send unoptimized kingsbane
Yeah so people should be playing big bleed builds in these keys
Like AP shock
pallid kite
so in a big pack for example i do as 3 garrotes for ex 9 targets than ct?
fallen forge
Yeah so people should be playing big bleed builds in these keys
ye i run ap shock its hella fun
pallid kite
i guess ct once to get the bleed from it
dark token
Make sure u garrote a target without garrote on it to spread x3 rather than x2
Garrote garrote garrote on same target will only give you 7t, garrote garrote garrote on diff targets gives you 9t
If you are 6t or below just send CT rather than 3rd garrote to get a nightstalkered CT on whole pack
Big dam
You can amp the agility after with some fok rupture
Then shiv, start your caustic envenom spam and watch the pack explode (in low keys)
dark token
Like weekly 20s or lower
pallid kite
?
pallid kite
so short story big pack 3x garrote CT caustic shiv kingsbane and envenom
dark token
Nah don't bother with kingsbane unless you have something that can live it long enough
Or I guess you can send it if you aren't gonna use it for a minute anyway
pallid kite
dark token
Generally like something over 10m HP I will choose to dm/kingsbane it otherwise I hold
pallid kite
im not used to use death mark on big mobs too
dark token
Depends on other people's cooldowns as well
pallid kite
for ex in dht on 1st pull
dark token
In DHT you should deathmark the bear on first pull
pallid kite
i use on bear
dark token
Then kingsbane gryphons in pull 2
If it's back up
Probably won't be
Then the spiders are ok in fortified weeks
pallid kite
what's the diff between garrote garrote rupture rupture then CT and garrote garrote garrote CT
what's the big dmg between them
doesn't ruputre regenerate energy too?
dark token
You do the rupture before CT when you plan to be kingsbaning or dming a pack
Because you want that amped by scent of blood.the whole time
And it shortens ur opener before kingsbane
If you don't have kingsbane you just use a CT to get it's high dmg rolling
And then you can amp it with agi after with the fok rupture
Since it's a normal dot you don't need to maintain envenom or amp it more etc
6-9x garrote will give you enough energy
The ruptures are just for agility from scent of blood
dark token
No
After you finish CT and finish rupturing
Then you apply caustic and begin envenom spam
Until you need to refresh dots
river nexus
hi guys! I simmed my trinkets i got 489 pip and 483 accelerating sandglass. In mythic logs lots of people using sandglass but sim say different. Which one should i equip?
fleet pagoda
hi guys! I simmed my trinkets i got 489 pip and 483 accelerating sandglass. In m...
whichever the sim says
dark token
hi guys! I simmed my trinkets i got 489 pip and 483 accelerating sandglass. In m...
Pip is better than sandglass in general
Most people are using sandglass cause it's easier to get
And pip is only a small improvement (in st)
Pip is also ur best aoe trinket
So just take that
river nexus
Okey thx a lot guys ^^
fleet pagoda
it's simming at a 400 dps difference so if you really want to have the sandglass equipped, send it man
it is all well and such
dark token
Nah pip is better for aoe so might as well equip it in st too
Also sim rings/enchants/gems again
Pip causes u to want more haste since it doesn't give it and sandglass does
If you regem both trinket setups pips will be a higher gain
Like .4-.5%
pallid kite
3x garrote CT rupture caustic shiv envenom this i s good for packs?
arctic hare
Do this if ur going to kingsbane a pack
Well thats, good to know.
sullen quest
when do you CT anyway, 4+ like it says on wowhead?
dark token
Yes
sullen quest
Gotta scroll back and read a bunch of stuff when I have time later
dark token
3x garrote CT rupture caustic shiv envenom this i s good for packs?
As long as you won't kingsbane in 30s, yes, also do 2x rupture for max agi
pallid kite
then i should do 3x garrote CT and 2x Rupt
sullen quest
So overcapping CP so you can cast 3 garrotes back to back over using a rupture in between?
dark token
(this is for AP shock build btw)
sullen quest
if you can CT the pack
dark token
So overcapping CP so you can cast 3 garrotes back to back over using a rupture i...
Yes because of shrouded suffocation your garrotes do huge dam it's better to get 9 of em out
dark token
Rupture is for scent of blood stacks
And I advocate 2x rupturing not once
So you get 6 out, 5 stacks is max scent of blood
sullen quest
yeah so just always optimise carnage windows
dark token
Ye
pallid kite
and after that i guess shiv and caustic
pallid kite
in case of big pack i should kings after rupt
and then envenom
and when i slice n dice then
limber lion
You maintain Slice throughout the entire dungeon
from the very first pack of the dungeon
dark token
I mean slice and dice is maintained from previous pulls
sullen quest
yeah that's only relevant on the fisrt pull
dark token
Ye
sullen quest
or if you die
limber lion
always end packs with excess cp if you have long ways to run
but usually even that doesn't matter with cttc
dark token
In general I like to end with excess cp to do a CT or rupture right at start
Speeds up opener
limber lion
assuming <7 mobs that is
pallid kite
can i write a whole rotation to tell me if it's okay
limber lion
I wouldn't
pallid kite
on bigger packs, 3x garrote- CT - rupture- shiv caustic - kingsbane - envenom and maintain then bleeds( rupture/garrote/CT)
limber lion
I would still prio CT > initial Rupture > Slice
This is a quick 8t sim that does CT first
dark token
It depends if the pack can live long enough or not
left sundial
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
- You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
static glacier
I would still prio CT > initial Rupture > Slice
I do agree that general prio doesn’t place enough emphasis on early CT on higher target counts
dark token
I like to do a accelerated opener on first pull as everyone is popping CD and lust and usually it dies very quick
limber lion
It's true
dark token
Ye your way is more dmg
limber lion
which is when you would skip SND
not CT
And then you start 2nd pack with the excess cp
and use snd there
dark token
Haven't tried that but it makes sense with enough bleeds you don't need it
sullen quest
I do agree that general prio doesn’t place enough emphasis on early CT on higher...
what target count would that be
limber lion
4+
limber lion
4+ you start using CT actively
pallid kite
im lost jesus
sullen quest
below 4 you dont use it at all though?
limber lion
and that's also when you start introducing CT as your first finisher in 4+ target packs
Correct
dark token
CT is the highest priority finisher yes
sullen quest
I use carnage to garrote/rupture everything, then mutilate into CT
limber lion
Yeah of course it's gonna do 3% overall damage when you put up all ruptures, slice, maintain envenom AND then you CT
For me it's around 15% overall every dungeon
sullen quest
Wowhead says to optimise carnage windows with both garrote and rupture, but I suppose you can CT first and still do that
limber lion
and I do gar (gar (gar)) ct every pull
fleet pagoda
Wowhead says to optimise carnage windows with both garrote and rupture, but I su...
it's assuming targets live long enough. this is for keys where they don't.
grim jay
Wowhead says to optimise carnage windows with both garrote and rupture, but I su...
you wont lose out on any rupture because you ct once
sullen quest
yeah makes sense
dark token
And nightstalkered CT is way more dmg
Than nightstalkered rupture
I like to reapply CT in my shadow dance too
During dm window
As long as envenom won't drop
limber lion
it's assuming targets live long enough. this is for keys where they don't.
Well even then it's better to CT early.
Here's a 5 target, 3 minute sim for example
dark token
I also like to refresh early CT when mobs are low
Because sudden demise will proc it instantly
limber lion
yep
sullen quest
that's what I do to pad spitefuls
limber lion
Sudden Demise does not work in the sims so it's impossible to put value on that
dark token
Yeah wish we had an estimate for it
limber lion
But I also heavily emphasize bleed uptimes, especially IG and CT uptime whenever I play SD
static glacier
what target count would that be
4+ is required for it’s use, for me I start heavily prioing it as the first finisher in massive pulls, eg first pull of murozonds while on 4-6 pulls I’ll use it after 1-2 ruptures
left sundial
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
- You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
limber lion
Pretty much always shows that you should CT before Rupture
dark token
I assume you are playing AP shock tho
sullen quest
4+ is required for it’s use, for me I start heavily prioing it as the first fini...
this is what I've been doing, but 2 others are saying to never do this
limber lion
The sim isn't
limber lion
4+ is required for it’s use, for me I start heavily prioing it as the first fini...
Yeah that's not correct
limber lion
So what is it
Have you read what I said or looked at the sims I posted?
You always CT before you press Rupture in 4+ targets
No matter how long the encounter
If there's 4 targets, you get garrotes up asap
then you get CT up asap
dark token
I would trust cev considering how much he kicks ass each time he actively plays the game
fleet pagoda
so in what context is the guide that says to rupture into CT?
limber lion
then you move into envenom/slice/ruptures
limber lion
so in what context is the guide that says to rupture into CT?
It's possibly slightly outdated information
We're simming it currently
sullen quest
Have you read what I said or looked at the sims I posted?
No need for attitude I'm not the one who restated that as being the thing to do
I only called it into question
limber lion
but initial sims are showing that CT is better as the first finisher
dark token
Whispyr said there was prob a gain to CT early but he didn't sim it yet at start of patch when I asked
limber lion
No need for attitude I'm not the one who restated that as being the thing to do
There's no attitude, don't worry
dark token
Which is when guide was written
sullen quest
cool
limber lion
But yeah
4+ targets always ct first
3+ targets never press ct
If there's any ideas for sims, let me know and I can give them a shot as well
dark token
I need to sim if CT is worth on less targets if you have pad targets like spiteful
left sundial
you guys pooling until 200 energy?
dark token
Like if you have 2 real mobs and 3 spitefuls
Still worth to CT for the dmg on the 2 real ones?
static glacier
Yeah that's not correct
You’re assuming the mobs are stacked for ct
sullen quest
Like if you have 2 real mobs and 3 spitefuls
you mean purely for the damage amp on the real targets?
dark token
Yes
limber lion
ct has a pretty large range
sullen quest
would be curious to know