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IT was only briefly during the beta
that's not double dipping
I thought something was double dipping too, maybe I remembered wrong
things werent hasted back then right?
correct
yeah
hasted only came with bfa
So if you wanna hold DM cause boss or other big baddie is coming up but Vanish would be big stonks in aoe on the current pack, it’s better to just send DM without Vanish cause all you’re losing is a few seconds of KB crit, right?
iirc in BFA we said we were "double dipping" in haste trinkets cause of how exang was coded to snapshot haste and kind of sort of double it
send vanish without dm
yes
in m+ your vanish is basically exclusively used for carnage
Yeah I think that’s been my biggest issue so far
if packs live long enough, you can do both
Never ever send DM on its own basically is what I understood
Tho in Fall there are actually a lot of enemies worth using DM and Vanish on fortified weeks
vanish at the end of DM and just send out 3 gars as they fade on the pack
given the choice of vanish for kb and vanish for spreading bleeds with carnage
you take carnage
11 out of 10 times
makes sense
Other than Dawn there aren’t a crazy amount of adds that survive a DM on like 20-22 keys. Would you still send DM on them and just massively overkill them?
Is double tea on DM KB and single tea on solo KB a good way to approach tea usage?
yes
awful
it's already a min-max to do a single tea at the end of kingsbane
now you're going to send a second charge at the start when its not doing damage
and when you're getting a fuck ton of energy back from deathmark already
so you're actually just getting the worst of both the mastery
and the energy
it's an actually terrible waste of tea
What's the play in m+, just energy?
or last 6 of KB if you're otherwise overcapping
yeah so that leaves you with 2 tea stacks to juggle outside of it
i send at the end of KB, and chain pulls sometimes need a bit of juice to get DoTs back up if the timing is bad
the other charges, or if you get another charge from downtime, you just send for energy or in big aoe
cool
I do admit, I do sometimes press tea at the start of the first pull to get it on CD ASAP cause thats coded into my brain
and I'll call you a psycho
With DM available and boss at 40%, do we wait for it to drop to 35 % before sending?
yeh you can
I'm actually really surprized that I would rather have tea or dance or ds than acro like 99% of the time
you can acquire them, they give 100 energy and no mastery
and share a cooldown with combat potions
so
dogshit
ah
sometimes i forget consumables exist
thistle teas used to be the shit
we've got combat potions, elixirs, food, enchants, gems, etc
!dagger
i just can't mentally reconcile using enchants on gear that isn't 15+
Caustic spatter has no st interactions right?
correct
How much aoe would you lose if you were to run internal bleeding?
Probably quite a lot with the set actually
depends on build and situation I guess
Considering they pair quite well
the reality is that caustic is always better in aoe
it's just a question of how much
sometimes caustic will be doing 10-12% of your overall in a dungeon when internal would be doing like maybe 2%
on a tyrannical week maybe you can get internal to like 4%
and then caustic would be maybe 5-6%
I’m going to spatter whispyr
i am also going to spatter all over whispyr
#1 suggestion is stop hating it
spiteful is the biggest dps week in rotation
just enjoy seeing big overall numbers
Dunno, but none is killin' em
More bodies for the FoK
even better
cant restealth 😄
that's fine
Is crimson tempest better for this week ?
currently running :https://gyazo.com/98992a7c2ebfee9562a9c125dfb4875c
more bodies to spatter all over
I wouldn't change the build
tyrannical week
single target good
if you're gonna change, you'd probably want to play like arterial or something
but that would be a pretty big shift
playing SoB on tyran weeks feels like bait
I used to love playing AP build in keys, now I only play it on raid trash when the tanks pull the whole hallway and lust
by the time you get stacks they're gone anyways
scent of blood in single target is near the value of dashing

it's a real good talent

how good is sudden demise on ST?
+10% bleed
how many dashing scoundrels of value is that?
point for point sudden demise would be better than dashing in single target
but it's also a capstone
so
mhm
But yeah, scent of blood is CRAZY good
People just don’t really have a frame of reference for what %agi does
Cant open details and go “oh yeh, it’s doing x%”
Do you think IC is currently well designed?
i wonder if it really deserves to be a capstone personally
No st interactions at all, full aoe
Ic crazy good in design, got power and fun gameplay loops
i dont think all capstones need ST implications
I love IC
Ic single handedly gives us actuall aoe gameplay loops, and enables very nice dance builds
ik this would be broken but part of me wishes IC hit everything in melee
Ic has its issues but it’s definitely worth the capstone
yeah i think IC is a good design. it's a the duplicating DoT talent that we've wanted for a long while. it's not perfect, but I think its good.
Caustic exists as the easily accessible aoe talent
wait i'm MEGA dumb
What is the issue with ic?
if i wanna craft a weapon, i can just make a dragon and then IMMEDIATELY level smithing
only issue I think IC really has is that it's tied to stealth, but i dont think its that bad
its kind of on theme with the stealth gar thing we have
I would prefer something more similar to s crash personally
The stealth issue is a none issue
i wish there was a solid way to sim healing
Stealth as sin actually super whatever and always have been
we used to have IC as Shadow Crash, it was 45 sec CD and applied to like 8 targets and it was okay.
with SD available to assa, IC works imo
i like the current version more
@balmy condor where video link
Old ic was way stronger
ravec made it over to rogue, rip boomie
Old ic was only way stronger bc it instant applied to 8 targets or whatever
I think the current version is great
One day blizzard will give boomies SI again and we'll be good
also is there any way to make gold faster than just killing old xpac overworld mobs? if there isn't, does anyone have recommendations for places?

i meant it was only ok thematically, it was crazy strong. But I missed the triple gar opener that sass is kind of known for.
Give blizzard money for a token
never
🤷🏼♂️
Buy it or boost
*is there any way to make gold faster than killing old xpac overworld mobs that doesn't involve spending actual money?
With target count being enough you still triple gar
the only way I know how to make money in this game is raid boosting
100-300k/hr
I used to do M+ boosting, but the community I used to do it for died and I can't be bothered to find another
professions can make decent cash
lmao not only do i not have the gear for that, i'm not skilled enough to boost people. i'm still learning these classes. if it were mage it'd be a different story, but i wanna branch out
please appreciate the branch joke
Farm the lariat recipe and maybe youll get lucky enough to make like 2 mil gold
boost on your mage and then send the money to your rogue
you don't have to be a god to raid boost, just decent
I'd have timed you out for this
I predict you are the target
i think hes doing a write up on IC
Gonna give us the full rundown of the problem with ic since i asked
but he might also be having a mental breakdown
But I can’t predict for shit so
Maybe both?
ayyyyy there's a new video idea. make one about IC
Honestly though, i don't get how old ic was "crazy strong" when we have things like shadow crash
IC is a talent that rewards the opener, but it slows down all of the other opener events. It’s designed to be in that part of the rotation. But how do you utilize it without giga slowing down the rest of your cooldowns? Well you have 2 options, you can either make it apply quicker but stronger, or over longer duration but weaker.
Option 1 is the old carnage which was a nightmare and you just gotta sit in stealth and wait for mobs to group and you got one shot for targeting mobs and now it really should be a button again but then button bloat, so it can’t be a button, but if you reduce the duration to 4 seconds and make it cleave say 4 targets, well now you’re not able to cleave the ruptures as easily anymore and you’re back to targeting issues and nonsense. Big mess, so let’s go option 2
Option 2 you have the nuclear option of just making carnage a passive +1 target, but that causes a whole new set of issues, cause now technically it’s EVEN SLOWER in the opener and you still have stuff like improved garrote that’s 3 seconds long, so you’re still tied to a timer, and you want to get ruptures out still for scent and energy and now you’re looking at having to multidot way more, which is kinda the opposite of what we wanted in the first place.
So you can’t make it faster, and you can’t make it slower, so what do you do?
remove it
Honestly, i am not nearly knowledgeable enough about sin rogue to answer this
please dont remove IC
Sin rogue is one of my least played specs
idk. shot in the dark: replace it with something that says "when you apply rupture, you apply garrote as well"
That's kinda like misery from s priest
If anything you’d need to do that the other way around
Rupture is the more prohibitive cast
that's giving away free finishers though
you could tie it to stealth or the opener again
Building cp and spending cp on rupture is the slow part of the opener
Garrote is very fast
Well it's not like combo points are THAT important for sin rogue right? I don't think there is any cdr mechanic on cps etc
So if you attach rupture to garrote, that’s fine
Attaching garrote to rupture is a mess
lmao
You cast your improved garrotes from stealth, and then you rupture a mob
you could take rupture off your hotbar
So now you… overwrite the stealth garrote?
i was thinking more generally. you apply rupture every time you garrote, not just during stealth windows
Yeah, that’s ultimately what makes it non viable
what about making IC a hunters mark like debuff that says your garr/ruptures against this target cleave to 2 nearby targets or smth
Wouldn't it be just simpler to have crimson tempest spread your other dots or something? So you apply on 1 mob and then spread with tempest?
you mean caustic 
ah yes, the PURE single target rotation in aoe
call it caustic splatter 
i tried the cleave build in M+, felt like it was weaker 😦
call it bloody tempest
Indiscriminate Caustic Spatter 
That’s uncontrollable from the player, has the same issues as current IC, and anti-synergy to things like zold/sudden demise
So then you gotta be like above 80% hp and also below 35% hp
Or some shit
And at that point it’s 1. Still a mess to play around
- Probably should just be a passive (issues on that above)
I think what he meant was that it's always active
So basically you brand 1 target and it just spreads
^
Yeh so caustic
when that target dies you just mark whatever ur on now
That’s not happening
Honestly, is there a problem with just having something like shadow crash? On a 30 sec cd?
new choice node for caustic: splatters bleeds instead of poisons
Pog
You mean carnage from before 10.2?
Yes
That’s why it changed in the first place
we did that already and it wasnt great. you either need to sit in stealth to wait for mobs grouped up for SS/subterfuge value, or you just send it later and lose the synergy stuff and that feels bad either way
Why not just what it is now
I was looking for a gif and couldn’t find it I’m sick and slow rn
I like the new version
Sin plays fine imo
Ive been saying current ic is fine
If they want some tuning nobs for more aoe dam, crank sudden demise or scent of blood or crimson tempest
it frels fine to me
current IC is fine
i think most of us are saying that current IC is good/fine
Sudden demise could use a buff imo, not taking it in keys is becoming optimal and it's quite a fun talent
If it's not useful in m+ it is not useful anywhere
I feel like sticking the +10% bleed kinda screws the talent
SD looks so fun on paper until you actually use it
that's mostly just a byproduct of the tier
Nah it's still fun for me
how nuts would it be to combine IC and sudden desmise and get a new talent where demise is?
like if we had any other tier set where it wasn't full bore into envenom and nature damage
demise would be big
I really enjoyed sudden demise with previous tier that amped bleeds, in first 2 weeks of m+
Huge procs
Yeah it was
pressing shiv and watching everything fucking explode at 35%
I completely expect sudden demise to be perma pick m+ with no tuning the next tier set
I mean people at the start of the season were arguing that caustic wasn't worth using in m+
over internal bleeding
it doesn't take a lot
Those guys were dumb
I would like sudden demise to be perma pick now as well but yeah
Imo it should be the go to dungeon talent besides IC
it's just full nature damage tier set + an unusually single target heavy dungeon season
means sudden demise isn't crack cocaine for the +30 pushers
but give it a season and they pendelum will swing the other way
and sudden demise will be the best thing since electricity
you mean +10% doomblade damage 
Make sudden demise give a 0.5% agi bonus for each exploded bleed 
no thats just every nerf
Old torghast power
Or cleave nearby targets when bleed explodes
Poe style
Probably too much fps loss there
sudden demise giving half a stack of scent for X seconds, not counting towards scent, could be kind of pog
The chain sudden demise explosion would be very cool tho
make sudden demise transfer the remaining time of a bleed to a nearby target without that bleed
Shadow dance feels 100 times better than echo in aoe
not a hard bar to clear
Echo was mid
drinking nail polish is probably better than peeling your nail off one by one
the only thing ER has going for it is that its trying to do something interesting with combo points
How are you supposed to use vanish though? On pull you have garrote already, but then vanish desynchs from deathmark if you don't send vanish immediately
shadowlands sepsis was goated
ER was ok on sin it was stabbing myself with a hot poker on sub
the new sepsis is meh
combo points are incredibly boring and under-developed as a resource
yeh that's fine, vanish is just on demand carnage
They should really bake in the unity effects into the covenant abilities they copied imo
They are all pretty meh without it
in M+, just whenever your first set of gars look like theyre going to fall off and the pack will live like another 10+ seconds
15+ seconds?
they wont die immediately and you get some value from it
I use it with my deathmark most of the time
Or if ur chain pulling to a new pack in spiteful week and u need to get bleeds up
CP are only kind of interesting as a piece of the 2 part resource system we have. Both energy and CP are boring, but we have both and that's kind of interesting. I think the devs are hesitent to add more complexity because of this.
I mean mostly for st
Well i guess you just wait a few seconds before sending mark?
So you line it up with empowered garrote?
Also with shadow dance it should be a bit easier
ER is best on Outlaw imo.
Same with Dust.
last 3 seconds of KB
we want the crit from Master Assassin talent there, and we can refresh gar there and sometimes we can refresh rup there
Does Demo play like Sin? Looking for a range dps but more dps
nah not at all
I think the CD DoT specs like shadow and boomie play most like sass
I don't think they play that similarly though
To current sass at least
Sin is a spec that's more methodical with the pooling, I don't know of any ranged spec that has that
maybe BM?
How do we cleave on bosses like tindral (roots) with sin is it just caustic splash?
but i havent played BM since BFA
Yeah I wouldn't invest into AoE more than just spatter and making sure you can spam envs to proc tier set when they come out
At least for those burst AoE fights (tindral/gnarlroot/igara)
!whispyr
!whispyr
!whispyr
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Whispyr is typing…
does outlaw always sim higher than assas o.O?
"whisp, when somone brings up stat weights/talent builds/simbait"
RESTEALTHS
it doesn't have to be complex, but the interplay between combbo points and energy for assassination has always been a staple considering it's basically the post child for resource management. You got energy being much more valuable in single target than combo points, but as you get more targets and more bleeds, combo points become more important than energy. Things like sanguine blades, vicious venom play into that. The only thing playing into it from the other side though is seal fate giving random extra combo points. So let me just fire off a couple of ideas in no order, that could be completely passive if designed properly and not too complicated:
- using combo points have a chance to do X, this could be:
- giving energy back over time (reinforces pooling)
- giving additional combo points (similar to ruthlessness on outlaw), or making the next generator more combo points
- decreasing the cost on the next 2 generators
- increasing the cost/damage on the next generator
More complex could be like echoing reprimand where it empowers a slot, issue with that is there needs to be a reason for combo points to be more interesting than "more damage". It's gonna interact, could for example change it to do the same damage, but apply to effects as if it was 15 combo points for example. So poison bomb would guarantee proc on ER combo points, or you could make something super wild like a choice node with seal fate. Might be way too out there, but imagine it cuts your combo points down to 3 max, and it caps your generators to 1 combo point. Combo point 1 adds poison application for a couple second, Combo point 2 makes the finisher deal 50% more damage, combo point 3 increases bleed damage for a couple seconds. So you have to hit combo points as an uptime, poison in single target, then you spam out 2cp finishers until you need to do 1cp again, in aoe you can build to 3 and big buff bleeds, or spam out 1-2cp like in single target.
There's plenty of shit to do with it on various levels of complexity, but imo there's gotta be something more
Gotta get my restealth don’t you know?
by default? yeah, usually. Sass gets better with PI and the intermittent burst AoE profile that this raid currently favors.

cause it's the payoff for having negative burst
ahh is ee
y'all act like you aint ever seen a brother make a well thought out post before
Whispyr
I’ve seen you after downing a handle of whatever alcohol you could get your grubby hands on at 4am
And then posting
always vodka
I’ve seen MORE than just a well thought out post
with or without energy?
vodka bis
you drink it clean without ice?
Can’t wait for the drunk Whispyr pin
no I mix it with redbulll and hope for heart failure
ah that's a good way to do it too
ngl, i thought this was going to be the mental breakdown post after the IC post.
Hiya! Today I’m gonna drink this Everclear
Whispyr’s next pin will just be something akin to
is sub considered to perform better than assa in keys now or pretty much the same? been trying outlaw but cba
“AHHHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHH AHHHHHHH”
hiya! I found this bottle of 151 beyond an arbys dumpster, I'm gonna mix it with some of this expired mayo off of a chicken sandwich and we'll see if this is finally the thing to tip my body into complete organ failure
Perfect

Can’t wait for the video bro
Sounds like a banger
And please do a Sin Q&A while drinking
Or be on Max’s stream again
While doing this
I need a new bit if I'm going on max's stream again, I ran out of 3 letter acronyms for the boy
Drunk mayo vodka Whispyr is the new bit
advanced pilk
Absolutely
mayo and alcohol would curdle right
google stop
I'm not trying to be productive
I'm trying to look up if mayonnaise curdles
it does


I tried mixing a splash of lime juice with a splash of soy sauce with a dab of peanut butter with soy milk and vodka. Instant taste aversion developed right there.
I will not be elaborating further
I do like most of the suggestions though. Except the ruthlessness one. I like the interplay between energy and CP, so I think spending CP should give something for energy, like you said, either energy refund, or decreased cost of builders. Increased cost & damage of generators could be interesting with additional changes to energy economy, but I would prefer if they didn't. I like consuming charged CPs giving other benefits (guranteed PB, maybe rup could extend DoTs.) Your 3 CP idea sounds more like a season of discovery rework tbh. Kinda wanna try it, but I think it would be bad. Removing all builder RNG sounds like it would get boring quick.
girl dinner
Too real
I like those citrus soy sauces, so I started reading it and thought it was something good and now im throwing up in my mouth
so exactly how far are we behind outlaw in m+ ?
3
outlaw gave me a headache man
82
too much adhd required
the OL player in my guild is like 10+ years older than me
so i dont even know anymore
i think i might have just huffed too much/not enough paint for OL
having played fighting games for 15 years makes outlaw button pressing a cakewalk
my joints are so oiled
how many hours do i need to put into IS or BB before I craft a sword?
Hey @balmy condor, with sin being the worst of the three specs now, what do you think of untalenting Fleet Footed and putting the point somewhere else if you have the Cruel Dreamcarver with the Dragonkin buff?
True and real
Do we put the point into Acro?
Well the reply was little let down
Y’all don’t know that copypasta

(insert a new copypasta about branch vs ashes)
Ashes>Branch
@blazing jewel we figured out the macro... if everyone wasn't off doin xmas shit tomorrow
we'd probably kill smoldy
seems very ez now
with changes
but we also probably cn't do real prog next week cuz of new years
Someone came into my stream and asked what I thought about dropping feel footwork if they have the 10% buff from Igira dagger, and my brain actually fried trying to figure out what the fuck they were talking about because fleet is the point before atrophic/numbing
L
One of the funniest things I ever did see

Atrophic is a healer mechanic
So
I’m thinking not bait
But if it’s not bait
It’s probably one of the dumbest things anyone has ever asked me
If you take the cheat death on the dagger then isnt Elusiveness just free, tho?
It’s hella up there
Is it normal to be energy starved on bosses in M+ with a hybrid build? I have quite a chunk of haste (~23%), but only with this build I have trouble keeping envenom up
No, because the igira heal cheat death is a 10% max hp heal when you drop under 20% hp, not an actual cheat death
It’s just written as a cheat death on the infographic because idk
Funny haha
"why is your guide saying to play it xyz, but i see kush playing zyx?"
🎣
- Yes
- Haste doesn’t matter for that
- Pool better idk
What about leeching poison? Take beast on dagger and skip leeching?
Real
Could just skip the last 70 years of your life as well
And end it all
In game
With the magic dr you can pretty much skip taking Cloak no problem
So I just did a heroic raid full clear. I got the green orb that I turned in for a piece of the tier set. Do you only get the green orb once? Or can you get it every week
Once for AOTC or 2k rating (whichever is first)
^
Oh ok thank you 🙂
well to you, 0 value
because all their damage gets re-attributed back to them in logs
for them, they have short term buffs that increase vers and replicate damage dealt
so the fact that we have a lot of burst
means we're valuable to their buffs
Alright thanks!
We neither until this week, where i was benched first
But i said, dude i need to be there. What if a dagger Drops
Opening my vault as outlaw next week. Thorncaller incoming.
I'm trying to melt into stealth vs the training dummies but it doesn't work, tried different macros help
Is the mayodka gone already?
Becuade of vault slots
Guild leading tries to give everyone vaults
Gotta love Xmas time in Australia it’s either 40C days or severe thunderstorm,
Currently it’s raining sideways
And i was the only rogue this week
??? I thought we had something special whisp
that would be cause the dummies keep you in combat
Can someone guide me on how they do council fight? Should i be trying to run around and keep my rupture and garrote on each target or just focus on 1 and apply bleeds when one is near?
Ok, gotcha, thank you
does anyone happen to have something that they are sure works?
mate there's nothing about it to work
you're in combat
you can't stealth
nothing to do about it
k, ty
pips on council fight or mirror
sandglass i mean
if they're different ilvl might get messy
Has anyone tested Ashes and branch to see what they burst higher with? My sim says Branch but i also see most people using ashes which could be because m+ is more rng but was curious on yalls opinions
people use ashes cause the orbs on branch are weird and sometimes difficult to pick up
but if you can pick up the orbs, branch is simply better
You know, i never actually read the caption and realized there were orbs to get for the mastery...
oh gotcha
they work basically the same as the orbs from the actual boss
just much smaller
but they'll slowly float to you
other issue with ashes is that you get the haste debuff after
so looking at just the burst is a little bit misleading
They're just floaty little guys
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Where is quake 
Don't know if I'm qualified to do this. But on pull in KB window you have envenom gaps and big shiv gap. In every KB window, except one, you have a decent shiv gap (you didn't miss the last KB tick though, which is the most important thing). On 2 minute kb/mark, you didn't use 2nd shiv at all and missed last KB tick. Otherwise seems fine
And that's on the wipe you linked, sry didn't look at kill
iirc no
the opener is all sorts of messed up, 15 seconds before you slice and dice is a huge loss and the general sequencing of stuff is kinda whack the double garrote from vanish is bad as well
1 min cooldowns are fine
2 min cooldowns just..... didn't exist? your shiv/dance was at 2:12 and then you deathmark/kingsbaned 15 seconds later, no clue why. Then at 2:38 you garrote and at 2:40 you vanish, so you just screwed over your improved garrote there
3 minute cooldowns fell apart because the 2 min cooldowns were so omega scuffed
4 minute cooldowns look fine except for the rupture during kingsbane cause you dropped envenom, the tea was too early, you didn't vanish
outside of your cooldowns your pooling seems pretty questionable, like you envenom at 0:37, rupture, the chain drops, and you just insta slam out another envenom. It seems like you're prepping for vines to spawn almost, but that's almost 20 seconds later so not sure whats going on there.
also your trinkets are giga suck, you have to have an on-use, either ashes or branch it's not optional and a huge loss
so
tldr gotta learn the cooldown sequence better, farm a trinket, play around vines and pooling better
Now this is a proper review, I was just looking at KB windows, didn't even thought about messing up kb/mark timings
yeh, burst class means you gotta look at the how and the when
I also have a video going over a log review
which I'm gonna shamelessly plug
cause learning how to help yourself is good
Watched all of them, btw why do you divide env.explosions with envenoms and not the other way around to know % of successfull chains?
I mean you could
in my head it's easier to do a ratio
so I'm just going big number small number

doesn't really matter which way you go about it
I do envenom divided by explosions
and look at that number
if you wanna do explosions divided by envenoms knock yourself out
Yeah, I was just curious
yeh
just ends up being I had to pick one way to do it, and envenom is always first in the order on logs
so doing top/bottom was just the easiest to remember for me
Whispyr is like a 1.15 ratio god
No you are a 1.15 ratio GOD
1.3 or higher
I did a log review for mythic fyrakk prog
Or is it 1.4
and dude was at like 1.118
and I was like
god damn
1.4 is pretty bad yeh
1.3 is kinda bad
One of echo players was using TTN
it's basically every .1 for me as a rule
1.1 is insane
1.2 is fine
1.3 is not good
1.4 is awful
1.5 you gotta play a different spec
1.6 time to play a different game
1.7 time to quit your job, change your name, move to the jungles of south america and live your life as a hermit
Hahaha
ttk is a curious thing
my raccoon brain doesent get this
like it's fine on tindral for roots and stuff
I think it's just bad everywhere else though
but the echo rogues did a lot of..... curious things
so
He was using it on Fyrakk kill, dropped improved poisons for it
im turning into fucking mason from black ops 1 man
envenom divided by tier set
that would be the point to drop
but yeh idk
the last couple bosses this tier
annnnnnddddd what info does that give me?
brought out some insane feelcraft
rough estimate for pooling efficiency
Tells us if we should play sub or not

but maybe what?
cause like I had 1.14 or 1.15 or whatever on smold thursday, which means I get 100 tier procs in 115 envenoms, but if that would be 1.4, it would be 100 tier procs in 140 envenoms, so that would mean I probably fucked up pooling on that pull pretty bad
sorta works out
but twist the knife means you should basically be perma 1.1
or else why even play ttk
Maybe ashes better than branch?
Maybe outlaw nerfs after new years?

if you dont know that, you need to think about your question again
Maybe 10.2.6 they will revert the changes
Is there a way to sim so your envenom ratio is 1.2 and compare it to TTK build with 1.1 ratio and see which one is better?
Is there a way to see how many combo points were used on finishers when looking at logs?
nah
probs a nudge down for sub/bm/enh in the next couple weeks
and fire getting buffs again cus its fire and they need too apologize that fire was not top tier everywhere for almost 6weeks
best raid spec is the spec you play the best, in saying that do you get pi
have to check hits not casts
ahh yep, 1.13
u anxiety?
Nani?? How is this possible
scana insta dispelled the rumor
oh I hadn't gotten that far (2 lines down 😦 )
I am
im checking vol heroic
Shore shore
do you not have branch? or just dont want to use it
I do not have
do more boss dmg
Just got an off hand at tindral
the kill timer is a bit rough on volc, but you also get pi too early, not sure if there is much you can do about that though
sending that to pleb
thanks
see you on outlaw bozo
Rotations fine then?
looks dece
I just don’t get how he’s doing so much more
6 ilvl
im going to fist fight pleb
I’m just bad
there is some things in the opener to touch up on, but it's mostly ok
sometimes I greed an extra rupture
What are you seeing thought I had opener down
I’ll do garrote ambush rupture mutilate slice 5cp envenom pop booldowns blah blah
nvm the timing looked off for me on tea, but you did it fine
but you did drop shiv for a kb tick
How does that look then?
1.09
So by the scale is...? Good or bad? I would assume not that bad.
good, closer to 1 is better
can never get 1, as the first cast will aslways not do explosion
i don't know a whole lot about sub's cd windows this tier, but fight could line up nicer for him, you did better parse for your ilvl
think my second Dm windows didn’t hit there
you also dropped envenom right at the start of the dm
make sure you are 5+ cp into a dm window
also when you guys are doing the envenom division
make sure you filtered to the boss
cause tier hits in aoe
so it'll inflate

i would for sure try and get a branch
Doesn’t sim as that much higher
do a 2.5 min sim with them, and that will represent your H clears
I see
We’ll be full mythic next week so times will be linger
I’m still farming Nick and branch
Same
also, keep in mind parse percents will be harder to get now with the nerfs
!wa @stable moss see LE’s profile, there’s a Lucid Shadewalker aura which is the standalone version of the proc chance
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
id assume it has something to do with uptime being dogshit on that fight cuz of how much you have to run around and dodge, so TTN makes it a bit more forgiving to keep up your envenom chain
was legit considering playing acro on that fight cuz the amount of times the boss gets moved and you might be out of range for 1-2 or some dumb shit happens is just... infuriating, really
I was asked by name!
gulag time
What I’m saying
yo got a m+ question - on timelost battlefield in rise, how much should i be committing to killing adds? i feel like i do 0 dmg to boss if i even try to hit adds beyond fan and ct
Pretty much 0
Rupture sniping the odd one here or there is fine
Otherwise just let caustic cleave them
gotcha, thanks
just did an 18 and we got overrun with them lol
Yeh well
other 2 dps were demo locks so im gonna say it wasnt my fault :p
how do you avoid spawning them?
You don’t hit them with mechanics?
bait shockwave outside and kite bladestorm on the outside of circle
if you hit mobs with mechanics, they die and boss gets stack for aoe dmg no?
adds "awakening" or whatever u wanna call it is simply by the boss casting it on cooldown
i thought the idea would be to constantly kill the enemy mobs before they get "awakened"
but idk, im dodging rise as much as i can
so i dont fully understand how it works
it spawns 3 adds always whenever he does for the horde/alliance. you can throw a kick on caster, put a bleed or so but only if the boss needs kiting
a little question should i change from dwarf to night elf
its up to you what you do
are yo udoing 28s
no
higher?
around 25
then play what you feel like looks the best
mby 25s might be the breakpoint where you might invest into changing race, but its usually not the case why you cant time a dungeon or something
both dwarf and nelf are good for m+. if you played like draenei maybe that would matter but between dwarf and nelf just chill with race change
now my crit 40% mastery 44% Ver 15% and haste 14%
i have branch and sandglass
so should i get more mastery and Ver and to less crit?
Uh hard to say you should just sim your gear/envhants
Should sim yeh
Like just saying get more of this vs that is not helpful for you tbh
Every time someone starts typing out stats my eyes glaze over and I don’t read the message
The answer is always just sim it lol
I have 4300 mastery 2400 haste 3900 crit 3000 vers
My brain just
Auto-skips it like a cutscene
Well according to the guide our best stat is mastery and I think I need more of it!
Real and true
Full stack mastery (I have a trinket that gives me nearly 7000 mastery every time I use my big cooldowns)
hey guys, quick question:
are we trying to stay above 50% energy to profit from sanguine blades even in pure single target situations?
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
Read
alright, thanks 🙂
Np
Same except stat weights are dumb
No no come back
I haven’t clowned you enough for simming stat weights
Yeah that's the best way honestly
That’s why I never ask
You don’t need to ask when pawn is there to tell you a ring is a 12 percent increase
True brother
Pawn doesn't lie to you, and pawn keeps things nice and simple. Unlike raidbots which is way too complicated with all its variables and such.
Yeah agreed pawn is the only truth you need
🤢
god help me
But you used an external website to get that shitty ass addon called pawn that sucks so much only new players use it because they don't understand how things work
I don't think I could've added on more sarcasm if I tried
Do you use pawn?
Imagine if there was like a massive asterix on the stat weight portion of raid bots that explains exactly why you shouldnt use stat weights or pawn
Good
that would be crazy
Ye
true!
why have they not removed that as an option yet lmao
Cause how am I gonna know what to use
They probably keep it around for traffic or something
Same reason wowhead forces writers to talk about stats
Look I’m not gonna be on here asking whispyr what stats I need more of when I could just use pawn
Yeah I don’t wanna look like I have room temp iq asking about stats when pawn exists
anyone know if this trinket is usable on yourself?
pawn is ummm an addon of all time
Guys i wanna share something that just happened in a fyrakk normal weekly clear with pugs
shouldnt have talked shit
As a ret main I am both sad and astonished that another ret player is as dumb to believe he could outdps a rogue

Brave words for heroic blue-parsing guy
I didnt even understand why he started shit
Probably realised he won't get the present he wanted under the Cristmass tree and had to vent his emotions somehow 
i wish i could have seen his face, when boss transitioned at 20% (our good execute phase) and BL is popped and my dps just went to the moon
We didnt even do seeds xD it was a really good kill
Wait, it was Fyrakk?
I was just doing my thing, trying to improve myself, but we didnt have dks so hard to pad on p2 adds 😦
this means i win right?
You can feel the seethe from miles away
This was an amazing christmas early gift, ret tears
I love people that start a conflict by acting superior, and then lose and go on this insanely wild excuses/justification spree where they just whip out all the creativity
It truely is a christmas wonder
And than there are fire mages with 480 thst di 75k in a brh
And say "i have no fire gear, im usually playing arcane"
With So much confidence
Yeah having slightly less mastery and a bit more haste easily multiplies your damage by 0.1

This saved my christmas fr
hahahahahahaha
would you guys recommend macroing shadowdance and kingsbane togetherr?
Yep
should i also put kingsbane in another slot, to i know it's off GCD?
You can show kingsbane as the template. Or you can have a handy dandy weak aura with all cd timers.
Also off topic but I’d never ping you there @desert inlet shower orange was a troll wtf 😦
you didn't like it??
Nah. I think body hair (don’t be gross, random person 😡) came into play here.
Also I chew around my nails (weird habit I know) so the citrus burned.
All around unpleasant but the smell was good. That’s about all I got tho, even if it was a troll. It was.. an experience
you mean cd or gcd
get a good weakaura pack for the former, this game isn't the same without one
game is actually unplayable without weakauras imo lmao
Bless up and have a great holiday big dog 
Ty so much. There’s a reason you’re the goat

i've bee missing around with some different weakauras
and thank you everyone for the help!
try a full pack
!wa
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
you gonna have to ping me with it :3
I downloaded LE's profile. what does the yellow tick mean in the Indescriminate Carnage tracking bar?
you can also do showtooltip kingsbane if you want the icon to track it (if that's what u meant idk)
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane```
I will probably forget :)
yesss
thank you!
I'm unfamiliar with LE, so I'm unsure. Maybe someone else knows
What if you had a second person as the dedicated orange delivery person
(Me)
I’ll ping you if she forgets king dw
Seems like a lotta work tbh
seems like it's for when garrote stops being empowered
Quake ain’t no way you actually did the shower orange
ooooh okay. dumb question, but is that a MUST HAVE to track?
like the having the bar there
it's good!! don't hate
Track 
oh jk track it ig

@keen spruce track or no track
I do track the empowered garrote window
Imagine not just using your brain and probably overwriting it often
Just because u are too stubborn to track

I would def track improved garrote
I don't think tracking IC is strictly required but if that's where garrote is tracked then it works


scana r u gonna try the shower orange
No
coward
i guess so
I’ll try the shower orange
If you get me the chinchilla I wanted
chinchillas are cute
No room for chinchilla
I need to train mochi to play rogue
will do!
I’ve seen your logs. Mochi does play rogue
Head empty no thoughts
Just like me fr

one more question, and im sorry if this a dumb one. what do the orange and red tick mean on the envenom tracking bar in the weakaura?
Which weakaura 
LE's profile
I’m guessing it’s a pandemic tracker but it’s hard to tell looking at it on mobile
the red one is
yeah, the orange tick is kinda confusing me
I wonder if it’s a energy/pooling logic thing

it only shows if you have the 4p equipped
LE is big smart so they could probably do something like that
but idk why
that option just moves the red tick dynamically to make it accurate to your current combo point count
I think

Y’know what I’ll ping her @slate crown hey what does orange (if it exists, I’m convinced that I’m being gaslit rn) mean? Is it what endwyr said above? 
Okay my cook was wrong
I mean she’s probably asleep. So it’ll be a bit but hopefully she reads and knows to ping you
burnt
so I leave it checked then..?
If not I’ll try to remember 
. _ .
yeah leave that one checked
I was thinking it was the 2p attack speed 
I did absolutely nothing so Yw 
That mf dish is on fire (not in a good way)
This is like when someone orders Indian hot without knowing what spice is
are these two things that should be checked off?
IM SORRY


i know i know
Anyone has WA which shows on how many targets do I have garrote active, cant find it on wago anymore

LE Harvard 200 iq wa shattering our skulls rn
I think unchecked
!wa
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
idk what features in the pack that setting would enable since I don't use it
I’m fried on 3 hours currently so it’s too advanced for me rn
it seems like it's something for like, your next garrote would be empowered
I accidently reset my UI, so I havent slept
while trying to account for the gcd


but idk
I would LOVE to understand this weakaura, but until then, I will try out another one
I think WA pack good
How long would it take if you Naruto run it
LE literally astrophysicist of weak auras
If I what
I just make my own stinky little WAs
Oh you know













