assassination

[shy pecan]

Eww

[nova flax]

Bro who tf are you HAHAHAHA

[spice spire]

A troll

Tbh

[nova flax]

HOW DO U KNOW ME

[storm forum]

M+ers are usually mostly good in my experience, just unreliable.

[nova flax]

my ravenholdt shitposting isnt as effective if the green names know who i am

[spice spire]

You were on mg s1 maybe 2 in shadowlands.
And like 5 people played sin

So I remembered the name

And just r.io’d it

[nova flax]

Ohhh

[shy pecan]

I recognize the chungess when I see the name

[spice spire]

Discerning people isn’t that hard

Like 99% of players are easy to find

[storm forum]

What's my server, guild name and io?

[nova flax]

Dorki and junkrat are in my guild and theyre both good players. We’ve had other M+ fiends that arent as good tho

[shy pecan]

Same

[nova flax]

The biggest problem they face is never checking or listening to assignments

And just doing whatever they feel like

[spice spire]

Civil disobedience - whisperwind 2637

[storm forum]

Thanks, always forget how to spell that

Now what's my star sign and penis size?

[shy pecan]

What’s mine?

[nova flax]

Gemini 9 inches

[storm forum]

Thanks

Waiy

[spice spire]

Sec

[nova flax]

Send me a pic to confirm please

[storm forum]

I wanna commit to the bit and post a pic of my ID and penis, but I think I'd get banned too fast for anyone to laugh

[spice spire]

Gotchu king

[spice spire]

Yeah you would

[static glacier]

9 inch dagger?

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

Throwing a flyer here

Trivial pursuit - wyrm crest accord (I don’t think your in this guild but I know you have connection somewhere)

[shy pecan]

Nope. Though I use to raid with them

[forest nacelle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[spice spire]

I knew that

[forest nacelle]

i couldn't find video sorry

[spice spire]

I also am like 90ish% sure you’re on hyjal

[forest nacelle]

but i found it now 😄

[spice spire]

How dare you use the command

Good stuff enjoy!

[shy pecan]

Tf

[spice spire]

You joined a friend of mine’s guild (I’m guessing as a trial look and didn’t like) and I was like hey I know that guy. But rarely spoke in there sadly

[shy pecan]

Which guild?

[spice spire]

Chaos muppets

[shy pecan]

Oh

[spice spire]

Museless is an absolute king and I’d die for that man.

[shy pecan]

I was in there to run a couple of keys

[spice spire]

Ahh

Also lot of inphamous on hyjal

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

2+2 sometimes = 4

But I could also be off but guess is you’re not playing rn and ur shitposting like I am in appropriate channels. (Like here)

[shy pecan]

lol

@ember mural can attest for me that I’m playing

And Maya

[spice spire]

Oh I’m a ducking idiot

Second

[shy pecan]

Pretty much let the cat out of the bag with that

[spice spire]

Yeah but recent transfer is no longer inphamousdh

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-quack-gif-26493149

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

@keen spruce comrade you’re looking fly

[gray hazel]

👀

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Oh hey look it’s a trivial pursuit rogue

[shy pecan]

This guy…

[spice spire]

?

[gray hazel]

😄

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-anotha-one-dance-dancing-veeunus-gif-24649791

[shy pecan]

?

[spice spire]

Back on your hater arc

Damn

[shy pecan]

Wdym back on it

I’ve always been on it

[runic hinge]

NEVAH LEFT

[spice spire]

I hope Stu goes crazy next time you drink mister nugz

[shy pecan]

When you logging on for keys Mister Quake?

[spice spire]

Whenever I move my desk and computer man

It’s next weekend likely

[shy pecan]

That’s too long

[thorn fjord]

Thats what she said

[shy pecan]

Also woulda been better this week so I could chain spiteful on top of you

[thorn fjord]

This week sucks for pugs

people dumb af

[spice gull]

Anyone else wanna kms because of ass rogue?

[shy pecan]

?

[thorn fjord]

I think i drink whiskey tonight and launch CS2

[spice spire]

Hey, understand the context here. But just be careful about that acronym

But also it isn’t that bad

You add a y instead of an m and it’s filtering

[thorn fjord]

The difference between toxicity and self loathing

that litty y

[shy pecan]

Gotta run with the buds

[thorn fjord]

Been running most of them at work this week and nobody really plays during the day

[spice spire]

He’s right here mister dieslow

I’m him

Or would be

If I had my pc

[shy pecan]

Next week

[spice spire]

I had the flu for two days

Missed so much key time

[thorn fjord]

So they kept your PC hostage or what

[spice spire]

No

King story

Long even

[thorn fjord]

Ah

I think I know the story tho

all good

[spice spire]

Ye

[spice gull]

The spec just feels so..... BAD to me

[thorn fjord]

Also those ticket prices you put up last week werent a joke... They had a grand total of like 250 people attending the game LOL

[thorn fjord]

Its the same it was last week minus 3% how does it feel bad?

You're placebo'ing hard

[spice gull]

tbf I'm actual ass and should kms anyway but

[thorn fjord]

It aint that serious

[spice gull]

tanks chain pulling in dungeons so u cannot restealth and get garrote's/ruptures

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Dance and vanish

[runic hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[runic hinge]

Use vanish for restealth only and not for kb crit

[thorn fjord]

Its more of a dps loss for OL not being able to stealth between pulls @spice gull

Keep your chin up

[runic hinge]

Also race change to nelf(bis anyways) and just meld

It’s bis because it does flips

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

and has boobs

[runic hinge]

Which is my only metric for deciding race

[spice spire]

Night elf propaganda in my holy sin chat

[runic hinge]

You can take a propa gander at DN

[thorn fjord]

Hyundais and cigarettes and red bulls

The holy trinity

[crisp pine]

Vulpera does flips

[spice gull]

I just dont understand fundamentally how it works I suppose

[runic hinge]

That’s what the atomic recalibrator is for

[crisp pine]

Doing flips?
You just jump
Yw

[spice gull]

I do less damage than a disc priest when i'm at 440 ilvl with 4 set, like brother man

[runic hinge]

You gotta get that gear up and do bigger keys

Trust

Things live longer your dots tick more and you do more damage

[crisp pine]

I mean

[spice spire]

Yeah you’re just fundamentally missing the bar then

[crisp pine]

With 4set you do a lot of damage without your dots

[spice spire]

Spread bleed pop envenom

Chuckle

[crisp pine]

There seems to be a problem here, not just the keys being too low

Even without restealth and just doing one garrote one rupture into kb shenanigans should outdamage a disc priest

if he's not like 480

[ember mural]

ye

[crisp pine]

Like what are you
doing when engaging a new pack?

[spice gull]

If in stealth I try to garrote/Rupture as many targets as I can

Then fan till CT

and then attempt to KB a big target

Most of the problem comes from incoporeal for me

[arctic hare]

Blind is great 😂

[spice gull]

Can't really stop it, sure with blind if I have it or kidney if I wanna step to it

[crisp pine]

Ait first
Which keys are you running?
And second
Are you mutilating the big target first?

[spice gull]

This is an example, overall in a 12 rise with aug

pretty garbage

Yea I mutilate the target to activate spatter

[crisp pine]

can you send a screen of the cool damage breakdown?

[runic hinge]

Looks fine. Probably just gear

[arctic hare]

Why is CT so low though, usually its higher for me

[spice gull]

Or tanks will do wack ass pulls

[runic hinge]

Everything dies too quick in a 12

[crisp pine]

Looks fairly alright except CT being fairly low, even for a 12

[spice gull]

Yea I doubt I was using CT as much as I should have

[limber lion]

Yeah this doesn't really look right

[spice gull]

is it always the thing you build to and spend after applying ruptures/garrotes

[arctic hare]

It is a pretty major part of your aoe

[arctic hare]

You want to maintain it for the dot, don’t spam it

[spice gull]

Right

[limber lion]

should probs want to apply ct earlier

Your Envenom is way too high

[arctic hare]

Indeed, hey cev, is it just me or is his rupture dmg unnaturally low?

[limber lion]

His Rupture? Looks fine

Exactly the same as mine, 8.4%

[arctic hare]

Hmm, alright

[weak cypress]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice gull]

What should I do then? Cast Envenom less?

[limber lion]

However KB, CT and Spatter should be higher

[runic hinge]

It’s a 12 tho on tyrannical week. Envenom is gonna be decently high and trash is gonna die before you get value

[limber lion]

Sang Blades should be higher as well

[runic hinge]

Playing with a dh

[limber lion]

Sure, thus Garrote/CT should be much higher both

[runic hinge]

How? Trash gets deleted by the dh

[limber lion]

Because the faster mobs die, the higher your Improved Garrote uptime is

Also Sudden Demise could be higher as well

Literally just do Gar Gar Gar CT

And then mobs die

and you're sitting at 500k overall

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[limber lion]

The faster the DH kills them, the more value SD gains

[arctic hare]

SD stonks ftw!

[crisp pine]

I'm kinda confused about what's going wrong if you're engaging every pull by putting bleeds up on the mobs tho @spice gull

[limber lion]

There's no time to Kingsbane/Envenom/Spatter spam in those low tyrannical keys

just bleeds up asap and then sd explodes them

[crisp pine]

Maybe chalk it down to throne being a shit dungeon

[runic hinge]

It’s a rise, his name is throne

[crisp pine]

oh

well rise is also shit

I'm tired

[runic hinge]

I agree and if your tank is pulling like a baby when you also have bad gear your damage isn’t gonna look good

[spice gull]

yea I guess I just need to apply bleeds more and focus on kb less and stuff for now

[limber lion]

It's good to focus on KB and spatter once you're doing keys where the mobs will live the entire KB duration

all of them

otherwise it's just pointless

just use dance and vanish for reapplying garrotes/ruptures

maintain ct

and you're chilling

[dark token]

Even doing a 25 most packs don't live long enough for full duration dm kb

Kinda annoying

At least on tyrannical weeks

[swift magnet]

was the last assa nerf overkill?

[spice spire]

We’re only sixth,

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

being the #1 pi and aug spec, yeh not great

[icy acorn]

arent we "only" third pi targert by now

[spice spire]

Not #1 PI

[limber lion]

Yes in terms of value we are 3rd

But Assassination is the most PI'd target

It's worse than BM or UDK

[swift magnet]

yes but:
dont benefit as much from PI > dont get PI > do less dps > dont benefit as much from PI etc

[limber lion]

Yes exactly

but that's not the case yet

it's getting there

but it's not there yet

[swift magnet]

assa is way under 6th place without PI

[spice spire]

As for Aug, that isn’t reflected in the logs so mut

[icy acorn]

it would be nice to not having to rely on pi though

[spice spire]

Us before

Utopia and then Realz did too good of a job making our class good

[icy acorn]

blizzard saw that and decided to buff mages

cant have a season without mage being on top at some point

[spice spire]

Mages my number one opponent

[limber lion]

It is the lowest simming spec together with MM

So yeah

It should be #25th

But you do have to consider the raid design as well

Assa's burst is still favorable in many of the bosses

And Spatter still pads hard

[icy acorn]

true but the last three are sub dominated

[limber lion]

They are now

Starting this week

[icy acorn]

yea

pretty equal the week before

minus smolderon

[spice spire]

Pretty sure sin is still fine for tindy and fyrakk.
Smolderon not so much 💀

[distant helm]

i was about to say the last 2 arent realy sub dominated

[icy acorn]

but you have to keep in mind

[swift magnet]

really? that's messed up. Was fun to play assa in raid progress for once but it did not last long enough imo
kinda fucked that blizzard nerfed it even more instead of nerfing PI or something

[icy acorn]

sub doesnt need the pi to do just as much dmg

so you can give the pi to someone else

[distant helm]

ye but a lot of guilds simply play assa

for p3 dmg

[swift magnet]

frankly seeing the damage Sub does on Tindral there is no way my rl will allow me to swap and give me PI over our BMs

[tough gorge]

Definitely feels like the worst week for sin rogues in mythic+. Shit affix for stealth, nerfed while others are buffed so our dmg isnt rlly that impressive in keys anymore.

[icy acorn]

nerfing pi would also nerf other classes and we dont do that here

[spice spire]

Sin only for boss damage

If you need other shit

Yeah

You’re not going sin

[spice spire]

Was already nerfed

[limber lion]

Eh Assa was kind of pad with Spatter

Wasn't really the king of boss damage

[icy acorn]

not nerfed enough

[limber lion]

and even less now

[icy acorn]

should be priest only imo

[limber lion]

Assa legit sims 20k less than Sub

[spice spire]

I mean you can.
But then it’s even less now.

[icy acorn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

Sub also has the weird timing bits

Which as we learned today

[swift magnet]

go tell that to Ion that contrarian F

[icy acorn]

20k

[spice spire]

They aren’t the only ones

[swift magnet]

wdym?

[icy acorn]

but isnt that without pi?

[limber lion]

Yes

[icy acorn]

with pi its more like 8k

[limber lion]

I mean Sub still sims like 8k more even if you gave PI to Assa

But that's 1. wasting a rogue spec

2. wasting a PI

[spice spire]

Eh different topic different day

[limber lion]

legit throwing 35k dps down the drain

Just play Sub and give the PI to BM

[icy acorn]

i mean playing assa wont be troll in a normal raid guild
but sub is just so much better

right now

dmg wise that is

[swift magnet]

please do tell

[icy acorn]

im also thinking about hard swapping to sub now.
progging on smolderon makes me start liking that shit

[bright turret]

i wonder if devs forgot PI exists when they decided to nerf sin twice and leave sub alone

[spice spire]

I mean on smolderon you have to be an idiot (me) or an idiot (shmeeps) to stay sin

[spice spire]

They didn’t

[keen spruce]

[swift magnet]

sub in raid can be so tiring in the end, it's like so scripted to the gcd when you optimize it to the encounter, assa was a breath of fresh air, I did not play assa since Nighthold

[icy acorn]

either an idiot or a chad

[keen spruce]

We have 3 priests so I’m still getting a pi

[balmy condor]

guys is this spec dead?

[icy acorn]

dedge

[bright turret]

nah

[icy acorn]

unplayable

[balmy condor]

people keep telling me its dead

[icy acorn]

worst spec 10/10

[bright turret]

tindral and fyrakk aren't tight enough that doing a few less % boss damage on sin loses the fight

[icy acorn]

assa is still a top spec but people got used to being number 1 xd

[ember mural]

3% nerf feels terrible (/s)

[spice spire]

Yes

[swift magnet]

until proven otherwise

[bright turret]

yea sin is still better than a lot of specs, it's just criminal sub didn't get any taps

[keen spruce]

[true rapids]

dw sub will get tapped then outlaw will be best for the rest of the tier

[spice spire]

There’s kind of a nuance to this conversation though.
In 10.0 we started up top. Got nerfed to the ground (with everyone else) then everything but us got buffed

Which kinda domed us

[swift magnet]

that was last week, you forgot a /s for now

[spice spire]

I don’t think that’s happening this time

But I do think

[bright turret]

nah, the raid damage profiles are still very good for sin

[balmy condor]

I can really feel myself doing 215k instead of the original 223.5k

[spice spire]

That people worry about the same shit

[bright turret]

this tier really shows how you can't believe everything about sims

[spice spire]

Real

[ember mural]

real

[swift magnet]

still getting PIed?

[runic hinge]

It shows a 5m patchwerk can sim low and raid design can make you still blast

[bright turret]

hopefully fated continues the trend of the raids being pushovers so you don't need to play min/max spec

[keen spruce]

I played Assas after the bonk in season 1. I played Assas in s2. Now I’m still getting a PI so why the hell would I stop playing Assas now

[spice spire]

Because you wisened up

Oh I should stop memeing

Like

[balmy condor]

also no one decided to call me out for the bad math cause 223.5k before -> 215k after is 4% you fucking bozos

[icy acorn]

because spec ded!!11!!

[spice spire]

Sin is fine

[balmy condor]

I am, yes

[spice spire]

Gonna have a bunzy moment

[quiet oar]

So the 3% nerf was 4%???

[balmy condor]

people crying about an actual 6k dps nerf because they lost their already difficult to justify PI to a hunter and are now down another 10k compared to when they had it

[icy acorn]

50%

[keen spruce]

4%

[balmy condor]

next they're gonna lose windfury

and complain that blizzard is so heavy handed

[swift magnet]

no it was 8.5% I think if you remove PI

[limber lion]

Is there a spec that you would consider trolling?

[icy acorn]

ww before buff

[limber lion]

...

that's not the conversation here

[bright turret]

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to feel frustrated over getting nerfed because of PI distorting stats

[limber lion]

we're talking about current

[bright turret]

spec still good though

[quiet oar]

Thanks guys, with my calculations the nerf was exactly 42,68%

Well

[runic hinge]

My calculations had us nerfed 420.69%

[quiet oar]

I ruined the joke with a typo

[runic hinge]

Yw

[balmy condor]

oh it's completely unreasonable actually, because despite the apparently common belief, the devs tuning the specs aren't actuall fucking idiots and know what specs are getting PI

[swift magnet]

🫂

[swift magnet]

explain why sin is second to last spec on sims then

[balmy condor]

??????

tf do bis sims have to do with any of this

[quiet oar]

Whisp

[bright turret]

I would certainly say there is some issue with devs and balance

[quiet oar]

The Real endgame

Is your simdps

You should know that

[balmy condor]

@swift magnet explain why JFK slumped backwards if he got shot from behind

[spice spire]

[bright turret]

Or there wouldn't be so many necessary changes, but it's likely more to do with many different devs interacting

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/escalated-quickly-anchorman-drinking-gif-5112090

[swift magnet]

cause he didn't but that's kind of my point

[thorn fjord]

IMagic bullet

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[true rapids]

JFK shouldn't have turned his back while tanking rookie mistake

[thorn fjord]

HE WAS MOUNTED

[balmy condor]

if irrelevant nonsense was your point you should've led with that so I didn't have to waste my time reading

[quiet oar]

[true rapids]

Shoulda bought horse armor smh

[thorn fjord]

MERRY PRE CHRISTMAS FRIDAY WHISPYR

[balmy condor]

balance in wow outside of them releasing aug has been closer than it ever has been in the last decade

are you high

you people

[thorn fjord]

I will be soon

🙂

[balmy condor]

actually will cause my blood to boil inside of my body

with how stupid you are

[keen spruce]

We should buy Whispyr a mouthguard for Xmas.

[balmy condor]

this is incredible

[thorn fjord]

lets get him a trip to Cabo

[bright turret]

Ah yes, if we completely ignore the buggy and unbalanced release of aug, everything was actually fine

[keen spruce]

To save the grinding teeth

[swift magnet]

no need to get agressive my dude you are the one saying nerf is reasonable while also saying that devs knew assa numbers were inflated by PI

[bright turret]

Aug really is a root cause of many issues

[balmy condor]

yeah, and turns out, it's still a top spec even with a tiny nerf, and no pi

how crazy

[icy acorn]

wasnt aug also "somewhat" fine until they fucked up the hooks?

[bright turret]

Just one of the many reasons aug was a mistake

[balmy condor]

aug is fine it just needed more time to cook all the hooks around it, support specs are a nightmare without the infrastructure to support it

[true rapids]

aug has been nerfed overall what 30-35% since inception and it's still a problem in m+, less in raid

[thorn fjord]

I might have been a mistake

[swift magnet]

define top spec? part of the half best specs? I cant disagree but still the last nerf was too heavy handed

[balmy condor]

it's slightly less than 3%

that's too heavy handed?

[bright turret]

Yea I'd probably be less mad about Aug if it worked properly out the gate

[thorn fjord]

yo how long is it going to take people to realize 3% aint shit

less value than a really good trinket lol

[true rapids]

I dont think 3% is the problem is, its 3% on top of other nerfs since raid came out

[cobalt gyro]

wdym the class is literally dead

[bright turret]

it's just people being dramatic about sin possibly being slightly behind sub on boss damage

when none of the fights are that tight on damage anymore

[true rapids]

ass is still fine its not like bottom tier dps but constant nerfs when we are situationally good feels bad

[quiet oar]

Wdym? My wife left me, she took the kids the dog, the car and the house becuade of it

[swift magnet]

on logs you mean?

[dark token]

3% is big when balance between top and bottom is measured in about a 10% diff

[thorn fjord]

Damn bro the dog too?

[true rapids]

I wish they would buff not nerf so heavily, DH players feeling it too

[dark token]

Dh is still strong lol

[quiet oar]

Yeah Man

[bright turret]

logs, balance, fight design, M+, etc

[true rapids]

no ones saying they aren't

[limber lion]

I just finished an entire heroic raid and I didn't win a single item

[thorn fjord]

You know damn well tuesdays nerf was not that big a deal... Dont play devils advocate lol

[limber lion]

this must mean that I'll get branch from the next Everbloom

[dark token]

I mean I think the nerf was unnecessary

[quiet oar]

Big copium

[true rapids]

but from a psychological standpoint seeing your class nerfed and nerfed and nerfed makes you feel somewhere along the line the devs didn't really think something through

[thorn fjord]

If you played NA i'd be more than happy to get you a branch brother

[limber lion]

thoughts on the current combo

[quiet oar]

[dark token]

Serpent is yuck

[thorn fjord]

Could be worse.. Looks like the game is telling you to play OL tbh

[limber lion]

very kind of you sir, but we're eu frogs here

[bright turret]

and you know if sin slips to mid pack after BM starts taking all the PIs that 3% aint coming back

[dark token]

Sin without ashes or branch is not even a spec

[cobalt gyro]

why would people be Pi'ing BM

LMAO

[dark token]

More value than sin and frees up ur rogue to go sub

[limber lion]

too bad my physiotherapist is telling me differently

[balmy condor]

3% oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[thorn fjord]

[balmy condor]

we dropped

1 spot

fuck

damn

shit

ass

[ember mural]

doomed

[thorn fjord]

THROW IT IN THE DUMPSTER

[ember mural]

its joever

[tough gorge]

The dmg in mythic+ is alot closer when you get -3% , which I agree isnt that much, but then a bunch of other specs got buffed a couple % as well. For me its just compounded by hating spiteful so im more pissed than usual.

[swift magnet]

yeah but maybe blizzard devs live in a parallel universe were only their fun matters, and as we know numbers are fun killers. I swear if they could find a way to fuck definitely wcl and such forever they would

[dark token]

Heroic logs are always pretty sin biased

[balmy condor]

and?

[cobalt gyro]

and they dropped behind a spec no one plays

[balmy condor]

you think they tune specs for mythic?

[swift magnet]

this post is already aging like milk

[twin bay]

that literally how our fucking mage is acting everytime he isnt ontop or doesnt get PI

[thorn fjord]

Still remember the ER nerf like it was yesterday

[cobalt gyro]

wat

[keen spruce]

Remember it used to be “we have literally no cleave or aoe built into our single target build so we should be the number 1 ST spec”

But now we have extremely good passive cleave and even dencent access to aoe in a mostly st build… AND we’re doing some of the best st. Then we got nerfed by a WHOPPING 3% and the sky is falling.

But by the old logic we should really be more like middle/lower pack because we have such good cleave now

[dark token]

That's exactly where we are now

Old logic is sound

[balmy condor]

did the dooming brainrot take your ability to type in english?

[dark token]

Middle pack, slightly on upper end

[thorn fjord]

You can tell who wasnt here the first 2 weeks of last tier

[dark token]

It's a fine spot to be in tbh

[swift magnet]

dooming brainrot

[thorn fjord]

We're chillen hard my dude

[cobalt gyro]

ahhhhhh oh noooo

the spec is deaddd

ah shit oh fuck

boss dmg

btw

[dark token]

2 weeks is old data

[swift magnet]

do with only last week

[cobalt gyro]

it doesn't change significantly

[limber lion]

I do have to say that my dumb Sub simming 30k more than my gigachad Assa does make my peepee a little bit smaller and sadder

[balmy condor]

now that you fixed it

[balmy condor]

enlighten me

how is it aging like milk

[cobalt gyro]

ah shit oh fuck we're DEAD

[thorn fjord]

Just sim with PI and you'll feel better

huehuehue

[cobalt gyro]

in fact its basically the same

[limber lion]

1 week is not really it

yeah because you're looking at last weeks logs

[swift magnet]

was a typo is all...

[cobalt gyro]

ok

[dark token]

Ye this is why I swapped, even with PI my sub simmed more

[cobalt gyro]

there's 1 day

class is literally dead tho

[dark token]

I'm assa for m+ and sub for raid now

[balmy condor]

fantastic, now tell me what it means

[limber lion]

Damn

[cobalt gyro]

what do you want parses from the last hour?

[limber lion]

gigachad

[thorn fjord]

Im so bad at sub right now lmao

did like 15 pulls on Smold as sub but my brain kept turning off

Gotta practice for next week

[runic hinge]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

Cant be thinking about my rotation and mechancis simultaneously lolol

[dark token]

Mainly assa m+ because cba playing outlaw and it's more fun than sub, you can easily aquire 0.1% title with assa atm

[limber lion]

let's see a 99% within one day 483-485 ilvl please and thank you

[cobalt gyro]

and here's 95th %tile

so decent players

but yeah that 3% killed the spec

[balmy condor]

and blizzard doesn't even tune anywhere near to that

95% mythic is so far above the tuning metric

it's actually silly

[royal lantern]

funfact

my RL asked me to play sub on tindral, i said no cus we dont have any problems at all with roots dmg wise, and swapping specs now would make more problems then good cus i would have to somewhat re-learn the fight again for some time

he recruited a 3rd rogue for some mysterious reason now

[limber lion]

In fact let's see a character speed parse

[cobalt gyro]

yeah idk what else i need to post LOL

[swift magnet]

because as the community reacts to the ripples of the nerf waves, the logs will tell the story with some delay

[cobalt gyro]

95% mythic from 1 day ago

and yet its still up there

it only changes significantly at max

which is a troll metric anyway

[thorn fjord]

Anyway Merry Christmas guys... have an amazing weekend

[cobalt gyro]

whoever got the most buffs wins that

[dark token]

It only takes like 10 pulls to learn the sub timings tbh, look on lorrrgs.io and stuff is realllly scripted that fight

You always do exactly same thing

[limber lion]

Warm up the bench big guy

[bright turret]

Feel like you'd have to already be on bad footing for raid leader to try and replace you that quickly

[runic hinge]

You too

[balmy condor]

oh so parses within 1 day, half a week after the nerf, isn't indicative?

are you expecting people to play worse now that they have 3% less damage?

[royal lantern]

but you thought about the fact that dust sub is shit and i dont wanna play it cus it doesnt matter? 🙂

[dark token]

And it feels really nice to play on tindral cause of acro range

[cobalt gyro]

here's heroic 1 day

not enough to lose your raid slot for

[balmy condor]

is there a ripple of playing bad talents now

are we throwing away branch and ashes

[swift magnet]

i'm expecting raid leaders to tell priests to swap PI targets

[runic hinge]

I’m benched now in my 7/9 aotc guild thanks

[dark token]

Why are we only looking at boss dam btw

[cobalt gyro]

because they said we suck at boss dam

[dark token]

[balmy condor]

ah yes, of course, the heroic pugs telling the priests to pi different targets for +250 extra dps

[bright turret]

you arent really worried about rogues doing anything more than boss damage this tier

[balmy condor]

my apologies sir

[limber lion]

I was getting PI today on my heroic clear

I played Sub

[swift magnet]

who tf would look at heroic logs?

[royal lantern]

bruh

[cobalt gyro]

(i got PI'd as bdk in heroic pug this week i bet its because of the 3% nerf)

[balmy condor]

blizzard?

[cobalt gyro]

blizzard doesn't tune classes because of mythic

that's basically saying

'these 50 guilds

decide what gets buffed

LOL

[tame tangle]

ass rogues fighting again smh

[dark token]

if something is over performing in mythic it's probably over performing in heroic anyway

[royal lantern]

^

[cobalt gyro]

ya

[dark token]

Unless it's highly specific to a mythic fight mechanic

[balmy condor]

it's legit the most basic of lessons when making a game.

Do not balance around your best players.

[cobalt gyro]

and the reverse is true

[swift magnet]

it's something you are ok with or..?

[balmy condor]

yeah?

that's how every game works

[royal lantern]

how else should they do it lol

[woeful meteor]

raiding with benched for Zeross

[twin bay]

out of touch much?

ofc its ok to look at the vast majority of players what?

[royal lantern]

well, not for now, but man thats a message if anything lmao

[cobalt gyro]

they should nerf Demo lock

[balmy condor]

legit every competitive game, since the dawn of time, has balanced around the median/average player

[royal lantern]

legit killed my drive to raid

[cobalt gyro]

the rank 1 parses have 2 pis

[balmy condor]

that's how game design works

[cobalt gyro]

[runic hinge]

They balance around me in my heroic guild absolutely slaying everyone on the meters. I’m sorry guys

[woeful meteor]

he does have a goat char name tho now

[cobalt gyro]

the only time you balance specifically around your best players

[swift magnet]

I think seeing those details with rogues on top during rwf also weighted against sin

[cobalt gyro]

????????

[limber lion]

They nerf/buff the classes based on Heroic. They nerf/buff the encounters mainly based on Mythic.

[bright turret]

the skill gap in this game is so large that you couldn't even consider heroic average/median

[balmy condor]

what

[cobalt gyro]

im sure blizzard watched RWF and saw rogues topping meteres every boss and said

[woeful meteor]

our second rogue doesnt rly want to play anymore so my spot seems saved unless we implode over cata classic

[cobalt gyro]

yep

3%

if that were true

[swift magnet]

ok so we can expect sub nerfs then?

[cobalt gyro]

3% would be a joke

lol

[bright turret]

the average player likely hasn't even killed heroic fyrakk

[dark token]

Selling coaching I perform over 100% on wcl

[cobalt gyro]

the average player can't even get into a pug to kill heroic fyrakk

I can't on my 480 dk

[royal lantern]

the average player doesnt even enter a raid at all mate

lol

like

[limber lion]

100.1 average and not even r1 asp? smh!

[royal lantern]

except LFR

[runic hinge]

Aotc is super above average

[balmy condor]

well you don't tune raid performance around people who don't raid either you dolt

there's a range up and down

[devout prism]

the average player is parsing in classic wow

[swift magnet]

or some more sin nerfs maybe then?

[bright turret]

ok, so then if they're going to tune around the "average" player, you'd do normal

[balmy condor]

aight I give up

[cobalt gyro]

i thought we already decided 2 weeks was too long?

[twin bay]

confidently incorrect kekw

[runic hinge]

They have to tune around the average raider not the average player

[balmy condor]

there's just

[cobalt gyro]

consider i posted it and people said 2 weeks is too long when the nerfs were tuesday

[balmy condor]

nothing to do be done sometimes

you see someone

and realize

I cannot reach them

[bright turret]

Nothing wrong with stating they tune around heroic, but the reality is that doesn't really represent the average wow player

[balmy condor]

it doesn't

but it does represent the average skill

of someone who raids

[twin bay]

this logic wont stop me because i cant read

[bright turret]

Now if you're tuning around guys that are like 7.5/10 rather than 10/10 yea that makes sense

[balmy condor]

normal is too low and casual that they aren't worth tuning around

[limber lion]

Tuning doesn't matter for people who never do content where it matters

[balmy condor]

mythic is too optimized to tune around

[cobalt gyro]

i mean you shouldnt be balancing around the 10/10 players

unless they break something specifically that only breaks if its all 10/10 players

[bright turret]

only concern about tuning around heroic is how short many of the fights are

[cobalt gyro]

kalista in league is a good example of this where she's super super mid in solo q but when you have a good team around her she's oppressive

so she gets to stay shit

aug falls into this category btw

[limber lion]

Poggies I'm a big boy now :3 hi mom!!

[dark token]

League tunes a lot more around pro play than wow does

A LOT

[royal lantern]

its far above average

people love to forget that you are allready a top 1-2% of the playerbase with 1-2 mythic kills late into the tier

[dark token]

Due to them actually having esports

[icy acorn]

the reason why zeri wont be good ever again

[cobalt gyro]

I mean my point was specifically kalista but zeri falls into it too, once you have a full team of 10/10s theyre just too broken to leave as is

which isnt really the case in wow with anything except aug

but they're determined to make aug work

\o/

[limber lion]

I think he's refering to the designer of Zeri literally stating that they can never buff Zeri again because her kit is beyond broken for pro play

[dark token]

We need to just rewind time until aug does not exist in 11.0

[cobalt gyro]

i mean they should have seen that coming because the mobility thing is the exact reason kalista was made to be shit

200 yrs

[icy acorn]

i mean aug could work but the thing is. if he is doing the same (or more) dmg as dev evoker, aug will always be picked because of all the utility this spec gives

[cobalt gyro]

no

aug could not work

soon as you bring external buffs into the equation theyre either broken or literally worthless

and if theyre worthless, why are they there

[bright turret]

I feel like the real issue is that they buff healers and tanks, on top of being as valuable as a full DPS

[swift magnet]

and in typical fashion blizzard will double down on it

[cobalt gyro]

they are actually

[limber lion]

buff affliction

[cobalt gyro]

one of their hero specs gives buff type effects to the other specs

[bright turret]

Aug is already them doubling down on PI

[keen spruce]

this

[swift magnet]

leveling my lock rn

[royal lantern]

"we make it work, we put work in it to make it not frustrating!"

1 tier over, log hooks all where broken and took ages to fix them, many still broken and general log shitery happening with it

other 2 specs needed giga buffs to be even worth a thought anymore

litearlly 2 are a hard requirment for mythic rn

thats like "we wont do m+ dungeons older then pandaria"

and 5 months later do cata dungeons anyway

[cobalt gyro]

and

before they nerfed them

you were gonna take 4

though i think the aug players still prefer u take 4 because it makes it significantly easier lol

[storm monolith]

we did it boys

sin is considered s tier now, above its brother outlaw in a tier

according to some dude's arbitrary dps ranking

[cobalt gyro]

aw man just when i got a sword

[royal lantern]

dont worry, according to another dudes arbitary ranking outlaw is actually SS tier

[cobalt gyro]

aw man just when i deleted my sword

[icy acorn]

dont worry, according to my arbitary ranking, outlaw is actually F tier because its not a real rogue spec

[balmy condor]

assassination is the #1 spec

when sorted alphabetically

[runic hinge]

Only ranking I need

[icy acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-meme-blink-original-gif-27529535

[earnest remnant]

Sorry my alphabet looks like this

[icy acorn]

actually

[icy acorn]

wrong

arms warrior

affliction

[runic hinge]

Fake

[icy acorn]

only #3 spec sadge

ARCANE

#4

its getting worse

[balmy condor]

hey hey hey

[icy acorn]

buff assa name to aassasination pls

[balmy condor]

people are allowed to make up statistics that say assassination sucks now after 3% nerf

and you go fact checking my alphabet?

double standard much

[earnest remnant]

but they are right tho whispyr

its dead

All because they didn't trust in the "ASHES" tech

[balmy condor]

I unironically hope all of the slur using demon hunters that chase flavor of the month end up in your dms

[earnest remnant]

if everybody just ran ashes

[bright turret]

Is the ashes tech you are referencing something new or just using it 3 seconds after KB

[earnest remnant]

we wouldve done less dmg

and we wouldve been less of an outlier

[earnest remnant]

facts or nah?

[runic hinge]

That’s too smart

[icy acorn]

sandbagging at its finest

you must have been a mage player stealthi?

[earnest remnant]

ive only played rogue

[balmy condor]

he's shitposting because the huge influx during race to world first of "why are none of the rogues using branch, do they know secret tech? is it bugged?"

[bright turret]

Ahh

[earnest remnant]

BUT

it is BIS for sub

so checkmate

[bright turret]

I used branch for 5 pulls on tindral and immediately switched to heroic ashes I had laying around

[earnest remnant]

my Ashes propaganda won

[balmy condor]

jpc slipped up cause he got annoyed on stream and told people he's not using branch stop asking

and the actual torrent

of frogs

that showed up

asking why he's not using branch

was fucking insane

[earnest remnant]

ive had so many people ask me, why i never played Branch

[carmine shore]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[earnest remnant]

its the small enjoyments in life uknow

[icy acorn]

actual question: when deciding on using ashes for simplicity, your gear would need more mastery right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[earnest remnant]

im just gonna start responding with "JPC said it was bad"

[dark token]

I play branch in sin m+ basically and that's it now

[earnest remnant]

what did you hate more? that or the whole "BUT Kush is doing xyz"?

[balmy condor]

kush

by far

[bright turret]

I feel like people asking why not use branch haven't tried using it on the last 3 M bosses

[native jay]

so i have a general question: what are some good ways of dealing with spiteful since stealthing is so difficult this week?

[balmy condor]

like not even a fair comparison I hate it way more

[earnest remnant]

i played branch on 2 bosses this tier

[icy acorn]

on smolderon branch is actually playable

[earnest remnant]

Nymue and smolderon

[icy acorn]

tindral is ass because of root timings

[balmy condor]

its a little weird on pull for tindral

the other timings seem fine on paper

[icy acorn]

wait let me rephrase that

tindral is ass

[earnest remnant]

its fine on pull for sub, since we dont take 10sec to press our cds

[balmy condor]

you just kinda do the same thing you would've done idk

[swift magnet]

I kind of remember the accelerated opener JPC used during rwf, was gar rupt mut env shiv dm kb
might even not have env before dm/kb

[balmy condor]

correct

well, not shiv dm kb

but he did use accelerated openers

[native jay]

Lol that's kind of what i figured. My tanks are asking if there's anything they can do outside of just stopping pull to make sure i can stealth. I basically told them to let me worry about it and don't change how they're playing, because i don't want to to focus on just my needs which is ridiculous to expect but did ask that i at least be able to be clear to stealth before bosses. Is that basically the whole of what can be done?

[balmy condor]

they shouldn't really be doing anything for you at all

chain pulls and keeping the group in combat is way more important

[swift magnet]

yeah dm shiv ofc I swapped the 2

[native jay]

Cool, just wanted to be sure and that's what I've been telling them

thank you!

[balmy condor]

np

just gotta be more aware of important pulls that need iron wire

[wintry crystal]

nabend auch paar Deutsche hier?

hab ein kleines Problem, würde mir gern ein Makro machen mit !
Todesmal
Königsmord
Schmuckstück

kann mir da wer weiter helfen?

[balmy condor]

todesmal und königsmord sind beide gcds, geht schon gleich gar nicht, schmuckstück kannst als macro schreiben indem du /use 13 oder /use 14 nimmst, 13 ist oben, 14 is unten

[icy acorn]

whispyr german confirmed?

[wintry crystal]

ah ok das erklärt einiges 🙂 danke dir

[dark token]

I can't read German at all but I'm guessing he is talking about a kingsbane macro

[icy acorn]

/cast Deathmark
/use 13 oder 14 mit branch

[balmy condor]

yeh he wanted to macro dm, kb, and trinket

all together

[dark token]

[earnest remnant]

sounds like a soviet macro tbh

[woeful meteor]

didnt you cast sequence opener

[earnest remnant]

for Assault speed kill yeah, since it was a freak show of a talent setup and i cba'd to learn it for that one boss

[eager solstice]

are sims broken? Simming way less than 3%

[keen flume]

/wa

[limber lion]

works fine

[eager solstice]

thanks friend

[old halo]

im also parsing way less, smh my head

[eager solstice]

is everyone simming about 20-30k less than sub st? Are we depending on PI and externals to keep up?

[limber lion]

Yeh, my Sub is around 30k more than my Sin

[old halo]

imagine having a priest or evokers who actually give you externals lol

we just got to drop to the bottom of rankings and then they give us buff cuz we sheet without externals

[eager solstice]

I'm not trying to doom just want to see what's working and what's not. Most streamers including zero looks like have swapped to sub

[old halo]

def got a 2 parse on 3rd mythic prog boss, no externals

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[vast loom]

just do more dmg 🙂

[tame tangle]

yea pi and aug would definitely turn this 2 into a 99

[glacial hound]

well I dont see a general discussion where this would probably go, but is rogue gear versatile? I do be kinda stupid sry, just found it lmao

like say I play sub, and then I wanna try out outlaw or sin, is the gear just workable like that?

workable as in ur dmg just doesnt completely fall flat if you swap

[scenic otter]

Is there a resource somewhere for accelerated openers? (new idea to me) I’m still in lower keys and would love to open on M+ mobs without getting cut short as they die. Sorry if this noobish/covered elsewhere!

[slate crown]

!stats - our stats are very similar, most gear sets will work just fine for sin

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[woeful meteor]

just skip envenom or rupture and apply it during mark

for m+ skipping envom will be the play since you need to get up spatter

[slate crown]

I see you asked in general too, Sin’s stats are pretty ambivalent. I think Outlaw and Sub care a bit more but even then it’s not a big deal

[woeful meteor]

not sure if there is math on which of the 2 is correct in raw st but it's minor anyway

[slate crown]

Just swap and play

[balmy condor]

I have a video about it but it really is as easy as tamaran said, you just cut out rupture/envenom to speed it up, in m+ it could be as fast as just going gar rup dm kb

But it’s not really anything set in stone

[glacial hound]

ok, I am currently lvling my rogue to play as an alt, sub is my main interest, but i would enjoy occasionally playing the others, and I was just making sure that is an option, ty

adn yea I just put it there for the more correct place lol, because I am blind and didnt mean to ask inthe wrong spot

[balmy condor]

In single target prep before your cooldowns, dropping rupture is the best, followed by envenom, followed by slice and dice being awful to drop, in aoe you need caustic up so envenom is better to drop than rupture for those situations

But you can drop both and get it up later

It’s all relative to what you need

[storm monolith]

alright

i've got money now after spending all goddamn day in bfa pulling a shit ton of mobs for gold

i have purchased swords, and i'm gonna go try outlaw

uh

oh

that is........... a lot of buttons

[cunning geyser]

really considering how much I'd be inting by dropping iron stomach and tea from cleave build to get acrobatic strikes

[limber lion]

Iron stomach's shit, doesn't matter

[limpid quest]

Do we have a legendary piece of gear or weapon for assin?

one that we seek

[limber lion]

Tea loss is what you have to weigh

[limber lion]

No

[limpid quest]

Happy Holidays Cev\

[acoustic roost]

the dagger from Galakrond's Fall, but thats not a leggo

[cunning geyser]

well yeah, just wanted to include as it takes 2 points

[limpid quest]

good seeing ya

[limber lion]

Branch giga op but it's a purple

Yoyo

[limpid quest]

tx

[spice gull]

Another general gripe I have with rogue is that why the hell does CV cost resource?

Does any other classes personals actually cost resource anymore? Jesus

[storm monolith]

I mean if you count mage shield I guess

[woeful meteor]

ignore pain warrior

[storm monolith]

Flash heal pally

[woeful meteor]

but at this point all specs are perma capped on rage anyway

[cloud fox]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice gull]

Not talking about healing spells

And mana doesn't matter for mage beyond arcane anymore

More like personal defensives/heals

Like exhil, renewal, dark pact

None of that shit has a "downside"

[woeful meteor]

wog, ignore pain

vial is 10 energy tho you rly dont feel that

[spice gull]

Oh is it 10? Thought it was still 30

[woeful meteor]

20 and you take nimble basically all the time

[vital wasp]

does it matter if you use garrote directly after vanish? or can you just use envenom after vanish and then refresh improved garrote? if you are on max cp for example before using vanish

[woeful meteor]

can use at any point during imp gar/subterfuge

[vital wasp]

So the Shrouded Suffocation Talent also counts in for subterfuge?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[vital wasp]

ok great thank you 🙂

[gilded gorge]

Are there any sin abilities that take off hand dmg into account?

[arctic hare]

#showtooltip
/cast [nostance] mutilate;ambush

WIth this macro, there is a split second delay in when it switches back to mutilate, is there a way to circumvent this or?

[spice gull]

I think I realize that I enjoy the idea of sin, but not very much so playing it

[royal lantern]

hey, thats me and df sub

[spice gull]

Not being able to press something and like chaining envenoms is just kinda boring

[ashen rover]

Just add more challenge by constantly pressing wasd like an adhd kid 💪

[spice gull]

I think i'm more of just a ranged player in general

I literally am just playing the rogue because I really like the heroic mog for this tier lol

[shy heron]

It's as good a reason as any I suppose

[royal lantern]

i started mythic raiding for tmog originaly

[shy heron]

Mythic tmogs are usually really good

[balmy condor]

Only mutilate

[balmy condor]

Nope that’s just the game swapping stances

[arctic hare]

fun times,

[gilded gorge]

Thank you.

[past forum]

do you send any extra garrotes in the opener on council or just the normal opener and cleave what you can with ic?

[spice spire]

Howdy brethren

What did I miss

[earnest remnant]

this

[spice spire]

I miss it every day big dog

[native heron]

is there a way to make rupture/garrote bigger in plater? im having a hard time tracking what mobs have what. im strugging hard with my aoe rotation

[runic hinge]

What profile are you using?

[native heron]

Cev's

[storm forum]

can you meld/vanish the iridikron DoT before the chromie soak in Fall?

[native heron]

How can I resize Cev's rupture/Garrote debuff?

[arctic hare]

okay, is there something wrong with the sim for Spiked Counterweight?

I'm looking at my 441 veteran piece on my monk (tank in this case),

But I just simmed it on my rogue, and it did this.

[native heron]

Tysm!!

[arctic hare]

And this is what it looks like at 463 as well.

[balmy condor]

This looks like a broken item

[arctic hare]

on Simulationcraft you mean?

[balmy condor]

No like a scaled up version of the old one

That drops from the legion dungeon

Not m+

[arctic hare]

Thats the icon it sent in the simulationcraft

[balmy condor]

The icons are just wowhead hooks

[arctic hare]

okay, so it is properly simming with the updated version of it

[balmy condor]

It’s pointing to the wrong tooltip

Yea

[arctic hare]

Damn, really thought I had somethin there lmao

[lime crypt]

maaaan

let this week be over already

fuck spiteful

[raven egret]

Meh it's not that bad

[tall basalt]

next week is kinda free

[raven egret]

But I agree it's not super fun

[raven egret]

Yeah it is, if you trust the other 4 to deal with it -_-

[lime crypt]

its not bad ye, but it just feels trash

makes me consider dropping iron wire

as it barely sees play

[tall basalt]

there's so much to iron wire this season tho

[torn atlas]

Are you not garroting in shadow Dance?

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

That's something i raised before and was promptly dismissed.
we got a talent that lowers CV energy cost.
i don't see why wouldn't it just make it cost zero energy.

[misty holly]

what is cv?

[gaunt moat]

Crimosn Vial

[lime crypt]

Once

[neat rain]

Peepin in to ask if sudden doom is worth running in Mythic+ vs Arterial Precision anymore

[lean portal]

in 20+ keys never

boss damage is too valuable

[neat rain]

I noticed people are taking Atrophic poison too btw when the heck did we start taking that?

[lucid rain]

in high enough keys you need any bit of mitigation you can get on unavoidable damage

[junior yoke]

New ability

[wild birch]

What's the easiest way to use tricks?

[oak tangle]

talent blackjack

[wild birch]

I know that one, but aside from focus macro, is there anything less annoying?

[brave stump]

You either bind it to Focus target or you get the misdirect weakaura, that's how i've done it

[oak tangle]

you could probably use party1 etc, but i've no idea how to make that work

[pine valve]

Greetings guys. I have a question, I play a 480 ilvl assa rogue, and Im feeling uncomfortable by now having 60% mastery. I'm currently at 33% crit, 54% mastery, 18% haste and 12% versa. What can I drop to gain mastery, I keep siming, and raibots keeps putting versa and haste items above mastery ones

[lucid rain]

are you using branch?

[wild birch]

Currently my sim put all stats as equal with these stats

With branch and sandglass

[pine valve]

Yes, hero maxxed out

[lucid rain]

yeah try simming with ashes

[wild birch]

You have prob way too much mastery for branch

[pine valve]

Seems weird, because I see alot of rogues above 60% mastery unbuffed

And for me to reach that, means I would have to drop, haste or versa and Sims, don't let me drop those, always bring that pieces as top choice

[wild birch]

Are they using branch or ashes?

[pine valve]

The ones in murlok.io using ashes are above 60% the ones with branch are actually below

[wild birch]

Well there you go

[pine valve]

Thanks for pointing that out, will try do work around it

[proper forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior yoke]

Simulation life

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[limber lion]

Sigh

[storm cloak]

I just need any kind of not shitty trinket

Using the on use pvp one….

[midnight atlas]

mouseover on party frame, this way you can tricks that padding dh and ruin his overall

[snow cove]

Any way to disable the animation for poison bomb?

[misty marsh]

looking for a good german assa player for some questions

[royal lantern]

well, whisp is german

and idk if i count as good

[misty marsh]

i mean if you can translate its ok, do you think my stats are ok? i think i do low dps for my gear..

[royal lantern]

gibt keinen stat focus brudi

[misty marsh]

ich seh halt schurken die machen mit weniger gear mehr schaden mit "vergiftende explosion"

das heißt er hat mehr mastery oder?

weil gifte ja mit mastery mehr schaden machen

[royal lantern]

das ist das 4set?

[misty marsh]

ja

[royal lantern]

spielst du darum? also envenom chains usw...

weil der gameplay loop momentan halt ist darum zu spielen auserhalb von cd's, dann ist der dmg davon natürlich höher

[misty marsh]

das heißt einfach vergiften stacks auf dem ziel zu halten oder wie meinst du das?

[royal lantern]

ja

also, auf dir selber weils n buff ist, aber ja

[misty marsh]

muss ich mal probieren hab das noch nicht wirklich beachtet vieleicht liegt daran das problem, ich habe halt immer geschaut vergiftgen mit 4 oder mehr combopunkte zu usen

[royal lantern]

halt nicht finksher spammen, energy conserven, nur finisher nutzen um envenom buff am laufen zu halten dammit du das so lange wie geht oben hälst

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[misty marsh]

alles klar danke ich werds gleich mal austesten

[royal lantern]

das erklärts

[misty marsh]

kuss

[crisp pine]

The germans invaded again

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[limber lion]

My man clicked the small hyperlink and ignored all the massive yellow warnings and still simmed stat weights

Idk what else to do other than to remove stat weight sims altogether

[royal python]

Is there an affix that gimps a class/spec the way spiteful does for assassination

[royal lantern]

good thing it doesnt gimp assa

@vestal wren is it possible too make an automated moroes response everytime spitefull is mentioned?

[grim jay]

yes. most of them

because it barely matters for assassination

and it barely matters for most specs

[royal lantern]

for sub its even a positive lol

target died? still have something to get cp from

[grim jay]

think the only affix thats really annoying (and for multiple specs aswell) is volcanic

[royal lantern]

nah

volcanic is a free affix lol

just dont stand 200000yards away for once