assassination

[subtle tundra]

as a rogue youre unkillable

[blazing jewel]

But I don’t get the point of elusiveness

It doesn’t increase the dr of feint

[subtle tundra]

yea i mean without elusiveneess

you have to try really hard on fyrak to die

as a rogue

[blazing jewel]

Are you playing long arms

I’m guessing you’re sin on it

[subtle tundra]

nope

and its past tense, we killed

[blazing jewel]

Nj

[pseudo hamlet]

Guess who's got another dagger but still no Sandglass

[spice spire]

Grats varas

Also still big fan of the pfp

[subtle tundra]

thanks friends ;3

[royal lantern]

yoooo

gz man

we are SLOWLY getting tindral p1 done

[subtle tundra]

tindral is such a banger boss, if only 1 person making a mistake wouldnt wipe the whole raid

so you could actually progress

[blazing jewel]

I want someone at blizzard to attempt to run 10 feet in a random direction to touch a button in under 3 seconds

We love tindral seeds

[arctic hare]

Yeah, those seeds are annoying, just killed Heroic last night

I don't even wanna imagine mythic

[subtle tundra]

do you know the twist from mythic?

you cant soak 2 seeds

[midnight atlas]

heroic is ez i just sprint and soak 10

it worked once, 2nd time the healers gave up on me

[arctic hare]

my group got to do 3 seeds a person

ofc, we had 26 people, it was GREAT lmao

[arctic hare]

is it just insta kill?

[arctic hare]

Hmm, it seems that even while you've got cloak up you still end up with the dot.

at least I think thats what I saw.

[twilit star]

on wowanalyzer website its always saying im not ever using my indiscriminate carnage, is it just bugged that way?

[arctic hare]

wowanalyzer isn't updated yet.

It still thinks IC is a casted spell.

[subtle tundra]

yes! tree spawns

everyone dies!

[arctic hare]

oh god.

[twilit star]

thanks for the clarification lol

[arctic hare]

np!

I do wish it was updated, would love to use it for my own logs, but oh well

[subtle tundra]

watch the whispyr log review video

and apply it to your logs 😉

[arctic hare]

tis true

I'll have to do it later for sure, got to take doggies to boarding school for christmas lmao

they're... proooobably not gonna be overly happy, but oh well, mom n dad don't want them around for when our family visits, too much of a hassle.

[real stirrup]

its a reddit post, drawing in a drawing

On the third boss on BRH: which attack can we cc? Smashspite

[spice spire]

Did someone say log review

Local log bitch reporting for duty

[potent lintel]

Im using notters kingsbane tracker aura. How much kingsbane damage are people doing during opener? I can only muster about 1.3 million

[hasty swan]

Any good sin rogue streamers/youtubers you guys can recommend to watch some m+ gameplay?

[spice spire]

@desert inlet
@balmy condor for guides and basics
@subtle tundra you’re washed on the YouTube game yeah?

That’s for YouTube

Streams, Ik whispyr does.
I think @keen spruce @blazing jewel occasionally

Unsure if notter is these days

[cursive owl]

yay more time to play WoW OwO

[spice spire]

And oxi betrayed us for sub

[subtle tundra]

very much washed

[lucid rain]

did you just ping like 5 people that didn't need to be pinged lol

[spice spire]

Unfortunate

[spice spire]

Yeah and?

[blazing jewel]

Bro thinks I play sin

[spice spire]

Bro I’ve seen the logs doesn’t matter what you play hawwwkdh been carrying your ass

Also fwiw 3 of these people were questions.
I only know for a fact that endwyr does YouTube (and her YouTube is on her profile) and whispyr as well.

[cursive owl]

scana play no sin O-o ?

[spice spire]

He plays sin some

But rn he’s a sub (he’s always submissive tho)

[cursive owl]

azh

[cursive owl]

i heard rouges true sub spec is called submissive

[spice spire]

Nah that’s just rogues that play sub, they’re very submissive. Right @earnest remnant ?

[onyx swallow]

Is there any decent play for sin in keys this week or is it just swap specs

[spice spire]

Yeah you can play whatever as sin this week

You have so many tools to use for restealths

And so much pad in spooky ghosts

[grim jay]

Play outlaw so not restealthing is actually bad

[cursive owl]

what is outlaw ?

i didnt heard about a specc like that

[ashen rover]

Ok at least I got this in my depleted key

[grim jay]

I got the utgard drake the last time

[onyx swallow]

Hmm ok ig in keys it’s not that bad to use stealth and vanish on trash outside of cds

[blazing jewel]

I think sub actually loses the least from no restealths but that requires playing sub in keys

[spice spire]

Yeah

[blazing jewel]

BIG aoe

[spice spire]

Mf a sub OTP bitching about playing sub

[blazing jewel]

Im a feral player buddy

[ashen rover]

zamn

[grim jay]

Its good if you actually wanna use your brainpower, which most people (including me most of the time) dont wanna do

[spice spire]

Damn did my goat actually leave the server

[blazing jewel]

Yea

[spice spire]

Was about to narc on a fraudulent catboy

Damn

He saw me on an @ing spree and knew it was only time

Smart

[cursive owl]

what have u done puppy ?

[grim jay]

Id love to be part of it, but you always think my words of love are lies

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-plinker-plink-gif-1317261633404946088

[spice spire]

They are I’ve seen the logs

[spice spire]

I refuse to call this plink

[cursive owl]

[blazing jewel]

I want to ping all of the rh yappers with that gif in a random voice channel chat

Mfs will be searching for their phantom ping only to find sleepy plink waiting for them in Four-Person-1

[desert inlet]

kinda fricked up

[cursive owl]

[blazing jewel]

Just like your shower orange

[desert inlet]

u should try

is good

[grim jay]

wtf

I had to google it

and why would someone do it

[desert inlet]

oranges good

smells nice

[grim jay]

yes but

why under the shower

[desert inlet]

oranges good

smells nice

plus u can peel by hand without getting all sticky since in shower

[spice spire]

Okay endwyr I gotta ask

Is this a bit or is it actually Deece? Or both?

[desert inlet]

is nice

u should try

[spice spire]

I’m gonna get trolled for doing this

But I guess it’s time to try

Unlucky

[desert inlet]

[spice spire]

Mf gonna clown me so hard after this I already know

But oranges smell nice

Maybe it is a high key goat move

[cursive owl]

[spice spire]

I ain’t taking a shower pic tho.
I don’t think whispyr can handle that

[cursive owl]

[spice surge]

Is this a controversial take youre ready to get clowned for?

[cursive owl]

When sin the only specc again ?

[spice spire]

Yes

[limber lion]

The only one who smells nice in here is

[spice spire]

The cliffhanger

[knotty vapor]

(the joke is that nobody smells good in here)

[cursive owl]

is it whispyr ?

[spice spire]

Idk man works at a bowling alley

[cursive owl]

oh he is ?

btw , i got the call today that im 50/50 fired on 4th january UwU

[spice spire]

Dux

[cursive owl]

so i got more time to play wow

[spice spire]

Sux*

Sorry to hear that dog

[cursive owl]

yeah

the company i was employed at didnt theat me like a human. they were way to disrespective so i just fked them

[knotty vapor]

just dont work for a company

create a product people want and sell it yourself

[cursive owl]

imagine, your chef dont care about your opinion and take private things to workplace so u just look like the complete idiot

[cursive owl]

[knotty vapor]

it's ez asf with stuff like patreon these days

i live off it

[cursive owl]

what should i do ?

[knotty vapor]

well I learned graphics programming and set up a shader patreon for vrchat

[cursive owl]

O_O

[knotty vapor]

just take something you enjoy, get good at it, and sell whatever you make doing it

[cursive owl]

i do creative stuff, like substance painter etc. but im not good enought to live from it

[knotty vapor]

that's not a bad start

I went to school for 3d environment art and learned the whole pipeline

there's lots of people who sell their substance materials for designer n stuff

you could totally do that if you're good at it

[cursive owl]

can we switch to PM ? i dont think its a good topic here 😄

[knotty vapor]

honestly I've said all I really can on the topic, there's better resources for learnign than me, we can drop it here

[cursive owl]

ok

i wanna study 3D design in animation. but it do cost some stuff. but yeha i will figure things out

[knotty vapor]

good luck my fren

[cursive owl]

[spice spire]

Wholesome chat

[cursive owl]

[royal lantern]

log review

[cursive owl]

[spice spire]

I’m gonna hit filter

[royal lantern]

why hit filter when you could just hit me

[cursive owl]

thats a crazy pickup line

[spice spire]

Outside of sport I don’t hit people big dog.

Well not historically I guess

Not to say I wouldn’t

I generally don’t like hurting people

[knotty vapor]

least rogue attitude ever

commit terrible crimes immediately

[spice spire]

Nah I’m definitely a protector.
Social worker for the underserved, the whole 9.

[umbral summit]

@balmy condor thank you, your advice about looking at my log review tugged at a thread that ended with me realising I've been playing with 150ms lag tolerance and gimping myself out of DPS on every character since SoD mythic progression

[spice spire]

[oak ember]

Will lariat ever be relevant? I'm full sockets and it still sims kinda bad

[royal lantern]

not really

[knotty vapor]

wait what is this? Is it some kind of setting?

[slate crown]

Taking a look now

[slate crown]

I can't handle ur frogs they're too good

[oak tangle]

i worked HR when employed at a call centre on a call centre worker contract. meant that they could at anypoint "drop"me from HR back to phone work, when they did that i quit immediately

[spice spire]

It was an add on

[oak tangle]

it also meant whenever i took annual leave or sick days, i was paid at call worker rates

some dog policy

[knotty vapor]

I play with pretty low latency, but I notice not being able to get off ambush in the last second or so of shadow dance

[spice spire]

No it wasn’t

Actually it’s a setting in game

[knotty vapor]

oh

[knotty vapor]

I dont see that option anywhere

[oak tangle]

does that have an effect on off gcd spells?

[crisp pine]

Why is there an anime girl moaning?

[lime crypt]

i wont say

[slate crown]

Oh I'm pretty sure I fixed that a while ago

What version of the WA do you have?

[lime crypt]

i just imported it today

lemme import copy

[crisp pine]

What does the Vulpera icon with the "uwu" do

[slate crown]

Oh no I see it

I fixed that in the Sub version

[cursive owl]

darn

[spice spire]

Please stop asking questions

I don’t want to know the answer

[cursive owl]

[spice spire]

But I’ll read it

[slate crown]

New version just uploaded of the whole pack, let me know if you want the SnD import string standalone so you don't have to pull the whole pack in, I see you've modified it quite a bit

[cursive owl]

[lime crypt]

may i have only snd string

so i can just replace it

[cursive owl]

snd is easy to make in wa O-o ? or is it a preset wa from Lisonna ?

[spice spire]

Preset WA from LE is what I’m gathering

[oak tangle]

quake, those cast timer settings are not base game

[crisp pine]

I still can't get over this

What is its purpose

I need to know

[slate crown]

Sent in dms

[crisp pine]

Is that a macro you bound on fucking "uwu"?

What is happening

[slate crown]

It's just part of my pack, so this matches my visual style and such if using the rest of my pack

[cursive owl]

UwU

[cursive owl]

ah !

[slate crown]

but yeah doesn't have anything fancy in it

[lime crypt]

thank you king

[slate crown]

np

[cursive owl]

do you know that UwU is just an Emote and nothing else ?

maybe just a troll button

[crisp pine]

Theres an UwU emote?

[cursive owl]

it is an emote itsself

[crisp pine]

God I fucking hate outlaw rogues

[cursive owl]

U are closed Eyes and w is cat mouth

its like OwO with open eyes

[crisp pine]

Oh yea

That still doesn't tell me what the purpose of the UwU Button is

[cursive owl]

KEKW

[spice spire]

[cursive owl]

i dunno

[cursive owl]

exactly

[crisp pine]

@lime cryptI need answers

[spice spire]

No big dog

[cursive owl]

[spice spire]

No we don’t need answers

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[slate crown]

The macro's text
/run PlaySoundFile("Interface\CustomSounds\UwUTouchMeThereSenpai.ogg", "Master")

[cursive owl]

LOL

[limber lion]

Idk how to say this

[cursive owl]

i wanna have this

[limber lion]

But it legit does not matter

You can play with 1k ping and do the same dps

[crisp pine]

How much for the file

[limber lion]

It's just a preference thing

[spice spire]

Uh this case

[slate crown]

Idn I don't have the file

ask Sanko

[spice spire]

It actually did matter

[cursive owl]

thats a lie

[lime crypt]

it makes sounds whenever i get Ace proc

HOWEVER
i wont discuss why it makes such a noise

[limber lion]

Nej

[oak tangle]

how does lag tolerance help us

[spice spire]

He was .015s off of final tick of kb matching with dm

Because of the lag tolerance

[crisp pine]

The UwU Macro does that?

[lime crypt]

no

[spice spire]

So he’s been missing his final ticks the entire time

[lime crypt]

its just custom audio file

[spice spire]

Because the kb window was that tight

[cursive owl]

ok another blocklist candidate

[spice spire]

And he didn’t shiv before

[limber lion]

That's not how lag tolerance works

[crisp pine]

What does the uwu macro do

[lime crypt]

UwU macro does
/me twerks

again

[limber lion]

Just means he didn't press it early enough

[lime crypt]

dont ask why

[crisp pine]

holy fuck

[lime crypt]

i told you

ignorance is a bliss

[spice spire]

Gonna have to erase this from my memory

[oak tangle]

lag tolerance is just spell queuing, not sure how it would help

[limber lion]

Just means the man literally stopped pressing buttons and presses kb .015s too late

[lime crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lick-fast-lick-cute-cat-cats-gif-27624519

what can i tell you

[crisp pine]

Why are you using a vulpera Icon for that

[spice spire]

He shived after which is what the apl does.
But tiniest lag pushed him out. He replicated it on dummies

[lime crypt]

i have to balance not playing vulpera somehow

[spice spire]

It fixed it

[oak tangle]

the only point where lag tolerance would matter, is on outlaw with it's .5s gcd

[limber lion]

Also missing out on .015s of DM does not change anything (actually nvm ld gg)

[spice spire]

Lowers the LP gain on final tick of KB

[lime crypt]

because its macro from BfA and back then, i used to play outlaw vulpera

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-plinker-plink-gif-1317261633404946088

[cursive owl]

so cute cat OwO

[limber lion]

But yeh what fixes it is pressing the button during the GCD and setting up spellqueue properly

But fair enough

[lime crypt]

stop asking questions now i feel embarassed the more you ask

[limber lion]

If it fixes it and he does more dps

What do I know

[spice spire]

Yeah this is like a edge wall 0.0000001% weird ass case

99% of the time it won’t matter

With a lotta 9s

[crisp pine]

You wanna go for drinks?

[lime crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-stan-twitter-gif-27256531

[oak tangle]

i mean my spells that are even macrod together (dance/kb) with no gcd lock are sometimes out 50-100 ms

some horse shit

[night delta]

Just wanna put that out there : had 1st Volcoross down yesterday, kill timer was 4:10

Feelsbadman

[spice spire]

Krill issue truly

[oak tangle]

4:10 < never

[limber lion]

Yeah typical networking stuff with wow

[night delta]

Ofc true but man the parse was looking awful

[oak tangle]

that's us now

-7% on all the parses out there

[cursive owl]

Lisonna u can get all the cute frogs u want :3

[spice spire]

Maybe for you but I’m different

[slate crown]

I don't have nitro 😦

[cursive owl]

but ure cute tho

[slate crown]

[spice spire]

LE is a good lass and I appreciate all of the work she does with weak auras

It helps a lot of the homies out

[limber lion]

Actually come to think of it

What the fuck is lag tolerance

Does it just delay all gcds you press

What's the point of that?

[dark token]

I think they are talking about spellqueuewindow setting or there is a setting actually called lag tolerance

[lime crypt]

by the way just a general question, how do I make that whenever i put two weakauras over eachother, i make one that I want cover over the one that I dont want

if that makes sense

[limber lion]

No they are not

There is

[dark token]

That's what frame strata is for

Low vs high etc

[lime crypt]

thats something in weakaura?

[dark token]

Yeah

[slate crown]

It's a general concept in wow

but you can set it in a wa yes

Also

[dark token]

There is a setting on display called frame strata

[slate crown]

Afaik, two auras that share the same strata

Are layered by WA based on their order in the WA list

I am pretty sure

I haven't had to mess with that in a long time because of dynamic groups which I now use, but IIRC when I last checked WA let you manually order within the strata by the WA list

[knotty vapor]

@slate crown I have a quick question about a WA I'm trying to set up, do you mind if I dm you?

when you're free

[slate crown]

[slate crown]

Go for it

(I'm also not the only one here who is proficient in WA, you're free to ask here as well, there are many people in this chat that are knowledgeable)

But my dms are open

[spice spire]

Can verify. LE very helpful and very open to DMs 🫡

[weary badger]

so whats the dps loss from having to open with vanish cuz tank wait to clear shades

[spice spire]

0,
Just pad on ghosts to make up

You can also dance

[lime crypt]

dynamic group is automatically sorting things under eachother

is there a way to make it sort to the side?

[dark token]

Ye there is a grow order

In group settings

[weary badger]

how do we do burst on EB 2nd boss?

KB one and just garrote with Indis Carnage and Rupture other then finish combo on main target

is that it

or dual / multi bosses in general

[lime crypt]

thank you king

[dark token]

You do your normal opener but making sure you rupture in dance

And use garrote rather than ambush

[lime crypt]

maaaaan

tinkering with weakauras

[limber lion]

You always garrote once during dance

[lime crypt]

and making them actually work

is the best feeling ever

[limber lion]

No extra garrotes needed

[slate crown]

[lime crypt]

now that everything works

im just slowly falling deeper and deeper into depression, because im starting to realize, that hte problem was me all along

[dark token]

In multi target I garrote more since IC can apply it to more targets

Like 5t you want to garrote more

Below 3t it's the same prob

[umbral summit]

incorrect. i was playing at 150ms, which means a gap between global ending and new global starting, which meant that every single Deathmark I pressed ended before the final tick of Kingsbane, gimping the damage, it also meant that I was using about 15% less GCDs than other Outlaw players since the GCD is 0.4sec during AR

[spice spire]

We went through this already

[dark token]

But the extra empowered garrote uptime on secondary targets might be worth a tradeoff of less dam from ambush anyway

[spice spire]

You were a really weird case

For 99.9999999999% of people that setting means nothing

But you had it twitched up and it was a really slim window

[umbral summit]

ye

[spice spire]

So it mattered

It offset, it fixed

We did it

Bless up

[umbral summit]

it's an old setting which I forgot about, it's really bad if you're playing OL though just FYI

it also made me realise my brain is too old to play OL

[spice spire]

You’re the one in a krillion they speak of

[umbral summit]

also just for my autism to add to the discussion spell queue window and lag tolerance are the same thing

but it shouldn't matter for anyone because you need to go out of your way to mess with it

although I did bring it up in my guild discord and there's a fury warrior who's had it set to 40ms without knowing for years

[spice spire]

🫡

[umbral summit]

so I feel like I paid it forward

[weary badger]

in kb/dance do we always use ambush? or throw in some mutis

[lime crypt]

thanks to your immense skills and vast knowledge of weakauras, i made this frankenstein, BEHOLD

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-vader-i-am-what-you-made-me-obi-wan-kenobi-series-gif-25837606

[spice spire]

Ambush slight gain iirc

[spice spire]

Alexa play “I hate everything about you” by three days grace

[lime crypt]

and now im off to reroll on DH

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/645532835284910081.webp?size=48&name=KEKW&quality=lossless

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

He's literally talking about the 2nd boss of everbloom. Pls soviet for once read what the convo is about

[limber lion]

Yeah I think I misunderstood.

What is the point of lag tolerance?

[slate crown]

Only you can do this to yourself, don't implicate me in your crimes.

[limber lion]

Why would you ever use that

What's the point of not wanting to use gcds b2b

[umbral summit]

it feels 'responsive' and I can be OKAY if you're not a global locked spec

[lime crypt]

I am what you helped me become

[limber lion]

I can understand messing around with spellqueue to change how often or how early you can press stuff

[lime crypt]

better

XD

[limber lion]

But I don't see a world where delaying all gcds by any amount is worth it

[umbral summit]

I was using it for Sub because it was energy starved so often, and you could fit 8 globals into a dance even with a small gap

[limber lion]

What function does lag tolerance have there?

Still energy starved

[umbral summit]

it just shortens the spell queue window

[limber lion]

Still 8 gcds

[umbral summit]

so you can change your next global dynamically

[limber lion]

That's not true according to what you said

[umbral summit]

it is, it's the same as spell queue window

[limber lion]

Spell queue and lag tolerance are completely different things

Spell queue refers to queueing abilities beforehand during a gcd

Lag tolerance according to this convo refers to delaying gcds by a fixed amount

You can have a high spell queue and a low lag tolerance

Or vice versa

If you had a spell queue of 500, you would be able to press your next gcd 0.5s early

[native heron]

what build is everyone running this week?

[limber lion]

And lag tolerance would thus send it 0.65s after

And always the 0.15s late

I see no world where that would ever be of value ever

[umbral summit]

idk what to tell you, all the UI addons that have an interface to change the spell queue window call it lag tolerance

I didn't develop the addon

[limber lion]

So

This is exactly what I was saying earlier

If you think spell queue and whatever this is is the same

Aight let me look at the log

[umbral summit]

it is, all this does is change the spell queue window

[limber lion]

Exactly

So

What I said earlier stands

And yoy changing that number CHANGES NOTHING

[umbral summit]

yes it does

[limber lion]

Spell queue is like pandemic

[umbral summit]

it was set to 150ms

[limber lion]

What number did you set it to?

[umbral summit]

I was gapping globals

[limber lion]

You do not understand spell queue

[umbral summit]

jfc yes I do

[limber lion]

Read what I just said

[umbral summit]

it was too short a window

[limber lion]

Too short a window?

So you increased the number?

[umbral summit]

yes to 400

[limber lion]

That's odd

I play at 100

And I have never missed a gcd in my life

How much is your ping exactly

[spice spire]

Do you shiv before dm or after dm Cev?

[umbral summit]

around 40

[limber lion]

after

40 ping?

[spice spire]

I didn’t mean to respond

[umbral summit]

yeah

[limber lion]

and you use 400 spell queue

what

[umbral summit]

I do now

[limber lion]

that's just not how anything works

I'm guessing you literally press each button literally once

and never spam

[umbral summit]

400 is literally the default since 7.2

[spice spire]

After makes window tight

[dark token]

Spellqueuewindow is a setting that depends upon how fast u personally press keys

[lime crypt]

dont spell queue

[limber lion]

It sure does

[lime crypt]

i mean mby for assa it doesnt really matter

[limber lion]

But "lag tolerance" does not make you lose gcds

[lime crypt]

as its not super reactive

[limber lion]

that's not how anything works

[dark token]

I measured my key presses and it's around 5 per second so I use a spell queue window of 200 + my ping

[umbral summit]

I press about 4 times per second

every 250ms

• 40ms

[limber lion]

I'm sitting at 60 ms myself

And I never lose gcd's

[spice spire]

Sux

In this case it wasn’t gcds it was the dm expiring literal ms before final tick of kb. Unlucky crit rng but damage on final is less than penultimate

That’s kinda what pointed this one

[dark token]

It also depends how close to the gcd you press keys

[limber lion]

Yeah that just means that the man literally just didn't press the button early enough

Look at the other gcds

There's no gaps between ambush and rupture

but there is gaps right there

there's no correlation

[dark token]

If you do 1 press per second but it's rhythmically 50ms before the gcd ur fine

[spice spire]

This is a common correlation I’ve been seeing In a lot of log review

[limber lion]

If that was the case, it would be the case for every single gcd

[twilit star]

what is pandemic rupture? i dont see anythign in tree

[spice spire]

If it’s not on the singular correct push it’s real tight

[umbral summit]

no it would be true for button presses that didn't register within the spell queue window, it would happen on some globals and not others

[spice spire]

30% of duration ie. 24s makes it 7.2s

[limber lion]

what

buttons that didn't register?

that's not a thing

You press a button, something happens

[twilit star]

sorry im new to rogue/ass i dont understand

[umbral summit]

if you set your spell queue to 0, and press a button during a global, what happens after the global

nothing

[limber lion]

Explain this

[limber lion]

exactly

[umbral summit]

so if it's set to 150, plus 40, if I don't press 190ms before the global ends... a gap!

[limber lion]

Which means that you weren't pressing your buttons enough

Which is the exact thing here

[umbral summit]

or instead of working on fitting more button mashes into a second, I can... extend the spell queue window and not have to worry about leaving gaps

[limber lion]

Exactly that's how it works

Now you're changing the narrative a bit

[umbral summit]

no I'm not

[limber lion]

That's exactly what I was saying previously

[umbral summit]

this has been my very fixed narrative since I realised I had it set too low

[limber lion]

Literally means that you weren't pressing your buttons enough

and the reason you lost gcd's

is not because of "lag"

it's because that's when you pressed the button

[umbral summit]

I didn't say it was because of lag

I said the spell queue window in addons is called lag tolerance

I sent a screenshot, you saw it

[limber lion]

Yes

[umbral summit]

and I am pressing the buttons 'enough', I'm pressing 4-5 times per second, I just wasn't pressing enough for the legacy setting I forgot I'd set

now that I am back at default, there are no gaps

[limber lion]

You saying that "I missed out on KB + DM by 0.015s" and then noticing that spell queue is set to 150

is not a thing

just happens to be the same number by chance I guess unlucky

But yeah anyways

As long as it works now, doesn't matter

[umbral summit]

I've checked my other logs, despite spamming my buttons and following the correct priority of DM > Shiv > Dance > KB, my DM always expired prior to Kingbane's last tick

and now I've done some testing and it doesn't

and I am very pleased

[limber lion]

I personally play with 200 spell queue nowadays to ease my hands a bit, but I used to play with 100 back in the day

[limber lion]

But you are not spamming buttons if that's the case though

We went over this

Also, you don't even have to spam

just press the button just before the gcd ends

Anyways, as long as it works, it's fine

[umbral summit]

we talked about this, I am, 4-5 times per second with 190ms spell queue window means there is gap potential

[limber lion]

Yes

[umbral summit]

you showed sometimes there are not and sometimes there are

[limber lion]

maybe we categorize spamming a bit differently

consistently pressing buttons 4 times a second is not spamming to me

spamming it during the gcd and especially towards the latter half of it

is

to me

[umbral summit]

fair

[limber lion]

but yeah as long as it works for you, it's all good

[umbral summit]

spare a thought for the Warrior in my guild who had it set to 40ms though

that really would make a difference

[limber lion]

400 is personally too big of a window for me, but then again I know someone who plays with like 600

[limber lion]

Yeah that's definitely a wrist killer

[desert inlet]

Mine still might be on 40

[umbral summit]

I might experiment with 300, Outlaw is literally unplayable

[desert inlet]

[limber lion]

I was playing at 100 for the longest time, but I changed it to 200 a year or 2 ago because I had finger issues

[umbral summit]

since it has a 400ms GCD under AR

[limber lion]

and now I never get any pain and I never miss gcds

[desert inlet]

I should increase

[dark token]

It's not 400

It's 800

Fyi

[umbral summit]

you sure?

some other modifier doesn't shorten it?

[spice spire]

Boomer hands will do you in every time

[umbral summit]

that looks like 400ms to me

[dark token]

Yes lol

[limber lion]

actually disgusting spec

holy

my hands

[dark token]

This dispatch is from the crackshot talent

[desert inlet]

My ping like doubled since I moved too

[umbral summit]

oh wait

[dark token]

[umbral summit]

the dispatch is a proc from BtE

aha

[dark token]

It goes from 1 sec to 0.8 sec gcd

0.4 would actually be stupid

[umbral summit]

still feels disgusting with 400 spell queue window

my boomer brain cannot

[dark token]

Yes I agree

[spice spire]

Ceveriontwo would have never. You changed man

[dark token]

I play with 250 generally

It's enough for sub outlaw proc reactions for me

With higher settings I sometimes flub a proc last minute

[limber lion]

@spice spire also what are you referring to with LP

Lethal Poisons?

[desert inlet]

loss prevention?

[dark token]

League points

[desert inlet]

I've heard target has good lp

Where should I steal from instead

[spice spire]

Sorry lethal dose

Literal ape

[limber lion]

Yeh all good, just saw you say it a few times so I figured I was missing something

but good point yeh

[spice spire]

Nope. I’m just an idiot

[limber lion]

I guess I need to start analyzing my logs too

maybe I am missing damage

[spice spire]

That forgets the names of talents 🙂

Yeah that shit was a wild catch

I’ll dm you rq convo

[limber lion]

I usually just look at the kb damage and if I see it go up with every tick, then I'm chill

time to take an in-depth look

[gaunt sigil]

Its really interesting to see the difference in statting for Ashes vs Branch

[thorn fjord]

How do you change the window time?

[lime crypt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026895501951504494.webp?size=48&name=WTFF&quality=lossless

[thorn fjord]

Whats the norm with spell que?

Play with it off or just lower the timing?

[earnest remnant]

people play with a lot of different stuff, all it does it change the window of registering your next ability (how long before you can queue it)

[dark token]

Play with spellqueuewindow 1200

You need to predict abilities 1 gcd before they happen

5head gameplay

[thorn fjord]

Assuming this is client based?

[limber lion]

It's preference

I played with 100 spell queue back in the day because I was a spammer

[thorn fjord]

I mean the values... if i set it on my laptop i'll have to set it on my pc too?

[limber lion]

Now I've raised it up to 200 to lessen the spamming a bit, but still allowing reactive gameplay

Yes

maybe

actually now

no

I think it's account-bound

[thorn fjord]

gonna try turning it off

then make my way back to 400

Never messed around with this

[limber lion]

Never turn it off fully

100 is like the minimum I would ever recommend for anyone

0.1s leeway

[balmy condor]

Some cvars are character specific

[limber lion]

You simply cannot press gcd's the same fraction of a second that the gcd is ready

[balmy condor]

But I think they save account wide

[limber lion]

and you introduce ms and lag to it and that introduces gaps

[thorn fjord]

Holy shit

[limber lion]

I think there's some ms + 50 rule or something that people follow

or was it ms + 150

can't remember

[balmy condor]

There’s probably different save rules

[thorn fjord]

100 already feels way better for OL lol

[limber lion]

Yeh law definitely needs a lower queue

and sub

[thorn fjord]

Jesus

I didnt think i'd feel the difference

Ty for that @earnest remnant

[dense coyote]

Is there any Hekili addon rotation string that I can use to help me practise Assassination?

[thorn fjord]

Hekilli really bad for rogue

[dense coyote]

I know it's obviously not perfect but just to get an idea of what buttons I need to press and how I should order them.

Yeah I know, but this is more for like helping arrange my action buttons etc. and dummy practise obviously.

[thorn fjord]

Its going to have you doing some silly shit

[dense coyote]

That's not the point.

[thorn fjord]

If not then just use Hekili lol

Dont know of any other Rotation addons

[dense coyote]

It's tuned to PvE unfortunately.

[static glacier]

wait

this is for pvp?

[thorn fjord]

check #pvp but not sure if you'll have much luck

[static glacier]

ima be real man, just keep rupture + garotte up, slice and dice up

then its mut > envenom

thats the general gist of the spec

cd usage has some intricacy

[balmy condor]

Do you think god is silent for fear of what they have created

[static glacier]

idk bro

i lost it yesterday when a friend of mine started saying hunter guides / tcs are wrong

and I asked why, their reasoning was like

4 mm logs on smodleron mythic, and 2 of them or something changed 1 spell in opener sequence

[balmy condor]

Oh

[static glacier]

I asked, why not message the guide writer

"no point, they're just wrong"

I fucking lost it

as a previous wow guidewriter

they have NO idea

how much time is spent

[balmy condor]

I thought they were going to have a well thought out position about how much of a piece of shit said person is

And I would’ve been forced to agree

But that’s pretty bad

[static glacier]

nah, was litterally criticising the guide saying to not open with harpoon on volcross (it puts you in narnia, bit like teros)

and then pretending mm opener was wrong cus some logs switched the order of rapid fire

with 1 spell

and it just doesn't matter

[pulsar leaf]

the SIn guide is crazy indepth showing every known talent build and why

Ret was just pick this

[static glacier]

litterally went to azor directly and asked, his response was this kinda thing doesn't matter in opener

thing is a guide doesn't have to give theoretical exp

[balmy condor]

I’m sorry you had to do that

I don’t wish it upon my worst enemy

[static glacier]

like not a single message in hunter disc

and they criticise this guy who's been doing this shit for years, multiple r1 allstars for hunter specs

[balmy condor]

Well

Yes

[static glacier]

with results based analysis of "1 of these 4 random people did this"

[desert inlet]

I still have the rank 1 MM Nzoth kill

So I'm the best actually

[static glacier]

I initially asked "why are you telling me this instead of talking to someone who plays mm"

[harsh ice]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[minor scarab]

Quick question, how should i approch M+ pack to pack as Sin? I feel like in many smaller pulls or pulls without a clear prio target my damage is quite poor. If i can get my opening off and my cooldowns down with most of its value my damage is great but pack to pack this happens quite seldom. How do you approach a pack of 4-9 targets to get your damage off? i feel like most of the time the pack is near dead when my setup is done and my aoe can "start". Would appriciate help. 🙂

[regal kiln]

Someone got a WA to see how many stacks of branch u have ?

(i suck at wa)

[grim jay]

to get back to it yes it was +150

tho I usually recommend just starting at 200 and testing from there

I'm at 175 for ages

because I'm a spammy guy having a history of high apm games

and thats like the highest that still feels good

[tawny geyser]

Can someone take a quick glance and tell me why I couldnt hit 99 here?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/blazzero#spec=Assassination&class=Rogue&difficulty=4&boss=2820

[simple gulch]

dagger does not exist

[slate crown]

!wa LE Profile has one

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[static glacier]

top prio is spread gar while in improved garotte > spread rupture while IC is up til you've atleast 4-5 out if not on the whole pack. outside of that it depends on stuff, one thing is get CT out early if the pull has A LOT of low hp mobs instead of rupturing them (dragon pulls in galakrond's fall for example)

outside of that make sure your target has spatter on them and pump envenoms with 4pc

[regal kiln]

ty

[static glacier]

there's a science in rushing your opener to get cds out faster

[spice spire]

You wasted too much CP, and you missed a tea. Didn’t pad enough?
This is a weird one ngl

[tawny geyser]

Why is weird? Can you go into more detail? I missed a Tea during KB or?

[spice spire]

No I mean

It’s 2:40 fight yeah?

We start with 3 charges

You gain one a minute

But used 4 charges total

Gnarlroot parsing on heroic just a weird concept

Because it’s not a straight st and kinda relies on a team effort to funnel you dam to some level

But also turbo fuck the boss

[strange python]

I have done lots of research, and tried many different things, and am working on setting up logging as well, but just wondering if any expereinced rogues would mind chatting for a few brief min with me about ass / sub. I have watched / read many guides, and feel like I understand the spec decently well, but am having a very hard time. I have some medical conditions that make it pretty rough to focus / play, and my nerve dmg is pretty rough, but I really want to improve and put in the effort. If anyone is willing please hop in gen 1 chat if you have a few min. Thanks so much, hope everyone is having a great holiday seasson so far

[storm monolith]

Marcelian keeps changing his dps tier list lol

Ass was B last week now its S

[runic hinge]

S tier for Sin

maybe A tier for Assa

[static glacier]

you didn't FoK once

[storm monolith]

I've been meaning to ask about that

Do you even care about FoK of you have spatter?

[tawny geyser]

Exactly, it wasnt even in my mind at the time.
I only FoK on Tindral roots

[static glacier]

FoK is super energy efficient compared to mut on aoe for cp generation. in 3+ you mut for spatter and otherwise FoK

and gnarlroot isnt' a fight where we have infinite energy (no time to dot secondary targets)

[dawn jolt]

yea fok normally gets me to 6 cp in 1 cast

[plucky sparrow]

^^Being able to crank out more envenoms if 3+ targets (assuming you mutilated for splatter already)

[storm monolith]

What's spatter duration?

[plucky sparrow]

10s iirc

[storm monolith]

Ok nvm that makes sense

[grim jay]

that sounds kinda weird

you keep spatter up anyways

and fok on 3+ while its up

[static glacier]

yes, thats what I said

[grim jay]

yeah kinda saw it after reading it multiple times

it came across differently the first few times

sorry

[static glacier]

my wording is cooked xd

[grim jay]

same

[static glacier]

[storm monolith]

Well think of it this way:
Which does more damage? Mutilate a couple times then envenom for cleave, or envenom every other gcd due to FoK?

Only other combo spenders are rupture and tempest, and tempest lasts a good while along with rupture being considered part of maintenance with garrote

[plucky sparrow]

Changing subject. Anyone else feeling the nerfs, more so on the cleave/AoE side? I feel like ST is balanced now (maybe a tad too conservative) but I feel like AoE/Cleave is now subpar

[storm monolith]

Wouldn't be able to say, sadly. I'm still green when it comes to the class. Highest key ive cleared is a 10. Everything just kinda blows up

[pure sail]

I’m struggling in some keys this week, like tott 24 my overall was pretty bad and even if my boss dmg is good people are still bashing

[static glacier]

depends entirely if aoe is judged during cds or outside

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[static glacier]

in cds aoe is still very potent, outside depends on a few factors

[dawn jolt]

I personally think if you want higher m+ outlaw is better with more survival and consistant damage to kill things like swarm, thorns, etc

[plucky sparrow]

I do 18-25 keys on multiple classes mostly. Overall damage saw a significant decrease compared to last week. In fact. a DH I run with saw his overall damage take a hit also (rightfully so) but the gap between I feel has widened. ..

[grim jay]

@spice spire oh well you did the rename

[plucky sparrow]

yes, exactly my experience

[spice spire]

Lye

[grim jay]

thats kinda weird considering sin got nerfed by 3% while dh had like 5% iirc

[plucky sparrow]

multiple classes, but rogue is main and saw the most change*

[runic hinge]

Let's say I was doing 230k overall before the nerfs, if I take off 3% its 6,900 dps so I'd be doing 223.1k overall???? Do you guys honest notice?

[devout prism]

BM still blasting with the 2 button rotation

[runic hinge]

If I was doing 180k overall before the nerfs now I take off 5,400 dps

[static glacier]

3*

[devout prism]

Ah yeah forgot about feign death

[pure sail]

Like sin in keys is good only if Aug and PI

[runic hinge]

I'd be doing 174.5

[grim jay]

I even felt like my burst got bigger

but then I woke up

[runic hinge]

It is so little

You guys cannot be feel crafting losing 5,400 dps in here

[grim jay]

I mean it shouldnt be too noticeable overall in keys

[plucky sparrow]

while on paper it's 3%, there are still some variables both known and unknown that play a factor. Mileage may vary from case to case, but in my experience with my mid 20 keys I have personally noticed a larger decrease than 3%.

[grim jay]

considering you got swings anyways

[dapper otter]

whats the smartest way to use CDs on smolderon?

send everything on cd or keep deathmark for burst phase?

[runic hinge]

Okay but it was literally 3%, if you're playing worse that doesnt mean the nerf was bigger

[grim jay]

dang brother spitting facts

and they hurt

[devout prism]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/smolderon

Your mileage may vary

[dapper otter]

thx man

[plucky sparrow]

Which is why I've tried to come to my conclusion only until after multiple (20) runs. Maybe too early to come to a conclusion.

[strange python]

Does anyone have time for a quick chat by chance?

[willow grotto]

Spiteful affix doesn't help for overall dps on assa

[dark token]

It does for sub

[spice spire]

It’s free damage

The heck

Much pad

[willow grotto]

if ur tank chain pull all time, u can't play around ur stealth

[eternal nymph]

!spiteful

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[spice spire]

We have like 2 ways to restealth.

The only troll is that small pull chain pull

[eternal nymph]

I agree that spiteful is annoying, and some tanks are giga dumb and chain the next thing even if there's only 1 spiteful left and that one is at 100k hp (that's just griefing).
But it doesn't make or break your damage.

If they chain properly that's also just better for time than killing off spitefuls just so that you can get stealth. If there's 8 full health shades then it's simply giga time waste to kill them off. Your small damage gain doesn't offset the time lost on killing those.

[limber lion]

And a lot of times you can still get stealths off even if tanks chainpull during Spiteful's

as long as you don't engage in the new combat yourself

You'll drop combat after the last spiteful is dead, even if the group is slamming on a new pack at that time

[balmy condor]

On the final mob of a pack you can often even stealth between a mob dying and the spiteful spawning

[spice spire]

The tools are limitless

The pad undeniable

[dark token]

ye but only when no other spiteful is alive

pretty annoying

i generally enjoy sin more in m+ than sub but this week really makes me want to play sub more even tho its "playable"

its just a very annoying affix

[jaunty hill]

Not to be able to restealth is very annoying

[royal lantern]

every week

the same shit

[runic hinge]

Wish I could restealth all the posts about restealths

[royal lantern]

litearlly people saying "it doesnt really matter"

and somone comming in 2 sec later

wtf no stealth so bad

repeat

endless circle

[grim jay]

no restealth is really annoying

[royal lantern]

is annoying really stealth no

[grim jay]

welp

I had that one guy

that made me really proud

he said "not being able to restealth feels bad, but its whatever"

[gaunt sigil]

@balmy condor How accurate are branch sims?

[grim jay]

oh brother

here we go

[balmy condor]

Depends what accuracy means

[gaunt sigil]

I guess I was mostly wondering if it over/under sims, does it pick up the orbs like you should or?

[plain hazel]

Hey all Im sorry if this is annoying but I've a couple of questions.. Not played rogue since MoP & have some questions about Assassination.

1. Does Deathmark double the bleeds existing on the target already? Or does it double the bleeds you will put on the target after you cast it?

2. In the opener I see conflicting information from many sources. You have the standard Garrote, Ambush, Rupture, Mutilate, SnD, Mutilate X2, Envenom set up. Then popping CDs Deathmark, Shiv, Shadow Dance, Kingsbane... Then I see some say to refresh Garrote & spam Envenoms until the last 3 sec vanish where you refresh bleeds again...
   Others hit them with a cheeky little Envenom after Kingsbane, then refresh Garrote & Hit them with a rupture before continuing the same and refreshing that rupture AGAIN during that vanish which seems weird to me..
   So what I'm askin is which one is more optimal & I do t understand why Rupture needs refreshing so aggressively in that situation esp since that last rupture probably isn't under the influence of Deathmark anymore if it works like that.
   Would really appreciate any info on this!

[grim jay]

its using 1-1-7

[grim jay]

1. it doubles the bleeds currently on the target dynamically. both existing and the ones you apply

[lucid rain]

honestly, you can do whatever you want in the opener as long as envenom and shiv have 100% uptime under kingsbane

[grim jay]

is the opener

is what comes afterwards

[plain hazel]

Hmm well if that's the case then I really don't see the point of that interim Rupture. Way out of pandemic range & there's no gain. Thanks for clearing up Deathmark though that's actually ideal

[grim jay]

refreshing rupture in dance or vanish for the nightstalker snapshot is a thing you can do

but the difference between using an envenom instead and refreshing the rupture normally

and using the NS snapshot rupture is marginal

[balmy condor]

It does pick up orbs as intended yes

[plain hazel]

Yeah that second part of the opener is what I see & do. The only difference is after Kingsbane hitting Garrote then Rupture. Or hitting Garrote then Envenom. But they both refresh Rupture during that Vanish.

Does Nightstalker not count for the first 3 sec after stealth then? Is it only that first attack?

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge makes it 3 seconds

[grim jay]

once you are vanishing, rupture should be down quite a few seconds from the original duration

so they just refresh the NS rupture basically

[plain hazel]

Yeah I understand that! But I've seen people do a refresh just after the Kingsbane, Envenom, Garrote

So they basically cast it a 3rd time in the middle

[storm forum]

Like inside the dance window?

[plain hazel]

Yes!

It seems pointless to me I don't get it

[grim jay]

yeah thats weird

[plain hazel]

Okay good thankyou! I'll ignore this then xD

[storm forum]

I do it if rupture duration is low

But I wouldn't do it in a normal opener

Maybe an accelerated opener, with gar, rup, amb, snd, dm.

You wanna go dance/kb amb env gar amb rup

[balmy condor]

You basically ignore the fact that rupture can snapshot

[limber lion]

Rupture is very simple

[storm forum]

As your dance window

[balmy condor]

And just play it normally

[limber lion]

If in pandemic, reapply

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

No thoughts just maintain.
The true rupture experience

[plain hazel]

Alright that's fair I was about to ask how you'd go about it for your second window cause you wouldn't have the stealth intro to snapshot a rupture & I assume you want it to double down from Deathmark buff again. But that's fair just reapply as and when

Cheers you've all been rly helpful!

[marsh stag]

hey guys, what % haste are u running keys? currently 36-21-69-7

[storm forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[marsh stag]

is my question a bad question

[storm forum]

Stats don't matter that much, just do what the sims tell you.

If it's m+, dslice is fine

[marsh stag]

what io are u

[storm forum]

Alright I'm out

[keen spruce]

He said good rogues

[shut canopy]

io check ⁉️

[true rapids]

your discord should have your io and parses linked at all times otherwise I cannot trust you

[dark token]

scana is a sub main

[marsh stag]

Lol, guys I asked a friendly question and look at these responses. You guys just trolls? have a great day 😄

[dark token]

what is ur epeen size

[wicked valve]

Do you know where you are? This discord has incredibly helpful information, but some of the nastiest, sweat-lord people I've ever seen.

[dark token]

only >99 cm allowed to answer my question

[marsh stag]

good to know stab

I never post here

[shut canopy]

was just a silly reply to a silly question no ?

[ashen rover]

I mean you got the answer

[marsh stag]

simming ur character isnt the end all for rogue dps

[dark token]

yes it is

[marsh stag]

lol whatever

[dark token]

i follow raidbots religiously

(for keys)

raid is a different matter because of how bosses can differ from sim structure

[marsh stag]

ur an AI player bro

soon u wont even need to be breathing

[dark token]

i wish

[marsh stag]

i can u wish

i can tell

[shut canopy]

?XD

[fallow canopy]

friendlier by the minute

[dark token]

ai player is a compliment i think?

like im robotically good

ty mate

[marsh stag]

no idea if u ask for io ppl get big mad haha

[true rapids]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[marsh stag]

maybe ur robotically great

[true rapids]

there you go

[shut canopy]

@prisma monolith io check

[marsh stag]

ok asking about sims gets people very upset

thank you!

[dark token]

asking about sims nah

[marsh stag]

THANK YOU

[dark token]

raidbots is our teacher

[true rapids]

no it doesnt lol, asking about imaginary breakpoints then refuting sims gets people upset

if you provided a sim and asked " why is it favoring X stat over X" you would get a proper explanation

[marsh stag]

will not be reading further llol

[jade carbon]

70%

[dark token]

my stats u happy?

[spice spire]

Don’t down urself bozo

[nova flax]

This aint it

[nova flax]

No im not happy

[true rapids]

92 fps time to crank that up son, how will you get title with that fps?

[nova flax]

Whats ur io

[unkempt tundra]

whats the addon for the character menu for all the extra info?

[hard river]

looks like dejacharacterstats

[spice spire]

Yeah chungess-sargeras what’s your io bozo

[hardy helm]

what io are you?

[winged sun]

what io are you?

[hardy helm]

0 I havent geared my rogue this expac lmao

[nova flax]

Oh shit he found me

[spice spire]

I’ve always known papi

I know all

[vagrant bison]

What io do you need to be to be allowed to post in here?

[spice spire]

At least 3

[nova flax]

Ask shantiana

[spice spire]

That’s why I can’t post here

Washed

Also not 3000, just 3 io

[nova flax]

IO is a cringe minigame !!!!

[hard river]

this channel has too many green name+

[spice spire]

That’s true, I’ll leave you to it solo

🫡

[storm forum]

I feel like I've done that thing

Where I've become what I hate the most

[nova flax]

M+ers are fine. Its the new M+ers that have gotten a high io for the first time in the first 2 months of a season that get massive egos

That everyone despises

[storm forum]

Friendly bfa lanille would have engaged there and gotten called slur after only being 1700 io

[spice spire]

[tame tangle]

they are still better than the raiders whose every other word is parse

[nova flax]

I used to be an early clout andy. Now im a last 2 weeks title pushing andy.

[spice spire]

Aren’t you still in prog?

[nova flax]

Idk bout that. Ive seen many M+ers shit the bed in raid lmfao

[nova flax]

Me?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[forest nacelle]

where are the stats?

[spice spire]

Pushing during prog sounds awful ngl

[tame tangle]

not skill wise, annoyance levels

[spice spire]

Was the whole point. I ain’t an ego checker

[nova flax]

Yeah we have fyrakk at like 13%. Hopefully dies tonight so christmas is saved.

(Its not dying tonight and im hotel raiding next week)

[spice spire]

God bless. All I want for chrimbus is a humble kill

Hotel raiding