assassination

[dark token]

i did this for my bsl sims

this is 476 crafted piece with vers mast, so raidbots can upgrade/reforge it

[balmy condor]

yeh, reasonable

[drifting cloud]

whispyr when you did abberus bis list, did you do crafted rings?

[balmy condor]

nop

[drifting cloud]

ah so it wasnt because of any tuning (I dont remember if we even had it)

or maybe some random trinket buffs pushed shit around

or nerfs

[balmy condor]

bis lists on wowhead are generally discouraged from including non-embellished crafted gear

[drifting cloud]

for the nelth ring

I see

[balmy condor]

someone asked if they could add crafted gear to their list if it was bis

and they said yes

and then in a form of protest they made their entire bis list just crafted items

[dark token]

[balmy condor]

so now we're not allowed to do that anymore

[earnest remnant]

hey, if its bis

[drifting cloud]

was it stealthi

[earnest remnant]

yeah i 4sure am the wowhead writer

[drifting cloud]

damn looking at peoples best fyrakk goes hard

[limber lion]

had to have been wordup

[balmy condor]

I'm sure a fully set of crafted gear is bis

tbh

[drifting cloud]

3+ raids to be on 1st set of adds

[balmy condor]

it was not, but I agree it's a very wordup thing to do

[earnest remnant]

people should jump into hc and practice the p2 adds

[drifting cloud]

we got to them in 30 pulls, but maybe we get stuck a bit now because non optimal setups during holiday raid or two

[limber lion]

Yeah he's a meme connoisseur

[sage igloo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[near osprey]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sage igloo]

Am I supposed to just dot everyone all the time on council

[royal lantern]

can do it if you like never stop running for no real payoff i gues

apply bleeds at the start, and then its mostly "yeha, when i can reach one i do it, otherwhise w/e"

[sage igloo]

Alright thanks

I might just be having a bad time in general because I got a new computer and for some reason transfering my WTF / interface folders didn't work and I had to reinstall everything

and I can't find the same WA I had before

[torn atlas]

Why run when shadowstep do trick

[left tulip]

i see rogues using thistle tea before first KB on pull in raid. do or dont do?...

[balmy condor]

don't

[fast phoenix]

swear im doing something wrong, my burst is great but the lull downtime i really drop off

[balmy condor]

yeah that's how burst specs work typically

[fast phoenix]

yeah i think its my burst timing mostly

doesnt help i get 5 fps on tswift and fyrak

[storm forum]

man these larry timers are shit

accelerated opener fucks with my muscle memory

[keen spruce]

I had a super cracked tindral pull where we forgot to lust so we sent it in execute in p3

then checked the top logs and realized it's actuallly impossible to parse that fight

[earnest remnant]

just only look at boss dmg

[spice spire]

Maybe for you but I’m different

[keen spruce]

boss dmg doesn't turn my number orange

[earnest remnant]

yeh it does

just go to boss dmg parses

[keen spruce]

[earnest remnant]

those look like hc

[spice spire]

Bros talking heroic numbers

[earnest remnant]

[spice spire]

I was like damn shmeeps guild already killed Timothy tindies

Then bro hits the heroic griddy

[earnest remnant]

if your boss dmg page dont look like this, you aint ethical enough, and you are a filthy padder

[spice spire]

Amen brother

Wrong spec but amen

[keen spruce]

oh i thought i said heroic

[earnest remnant]

happy?

[keen spruce]

in my first message

but i forgor

[spice spire]

No

[keen spruce]

we haven't even killed smold

[spice spire]

Sub OTP

Rank one

[earnest remnant]

yeah im such an otp man

[lime crypt]

is that aberus icon

wasnt sub the goat there

[keen spruce]

is stealthi

[earnest remnant]

i played assa late farm

[keen spruce]

killing bosses in like 14 seconds already

[earnest remnant]

was better than sub with our kill timers

[earnest remnant]

bruh im in fyrakk prison

[lime crypt]

🤓

[earnest remnant]

i aint killin anything

[keen spruce]

just kill dragon

[earnest remnant]

im trying man

just 19% more to go

[keen spruce]

that's like

2 sets of blazes yes?

and one seed

[earnest remnant]

1min 10 sec

ish

left of the fight

[restive falcon]

just killed smolder, do i swap back sin since im more comfortable or keep doing sub?

[earnest remnant]

honestly

comfort is key on tindral i think

[restive falcon]

i did horrible on smolder, i did 265k

but looking at logs, its like half/half as sub/sin

so you thinking just go sin @earnest remnant

[earnest remnant]

yeah

[restive falcon]

smolder was first time i did sub at all, looked at lorrgs and basically learn on fly :/

[earnest remnant]

comfort is 100% the key on the last two fights

there is alot of shit going on

[restive falcon]

i assume sin still 100% viable even tho lots of rogues i watch on twitch r sub now?

[earnest remnant]

yeah it is

[restive falcon]

pog, i used your kill vod few weeks ago to learn basics on smolder for cds

[earnest remnant]

[restive falcon]

i am so bad at sub on smolder

[fast phoenix]

oof, maybe my pooling is the issue

[smoky leaf]

wooo killed smoldy as this dogshit spec

[fast phoenix]

dunno what im doing wrong lol

[smoky leaf]

i just did sin and killed it tonight lol 2nd night of prog for me

[restive falcon]

i swapped to sub tuesday after playing sin, it felt bad

[smoky leaf]

i just said fuck it and sent sin

parse was dog but i also got chased around by 3rd orb waiting to soak during kingsbane

cause ppl were late

i had so many better pulls before the kill

[subtle kettle]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[sweet shore]

That’s always how it be

[fast phoenix]

such a bummer rogue is so input based, thank god my new pc is done tomorrow

[wicked valve]

assuming equal ilvl, for trinkets, pips or ashes to go with witherbranch?

[restive falcon]

for st?

[wicked valve]

Yes. Currently simming, just seeing if this should be a braindead answer or not

ah, its pips. ashes 3.5k dps loss

[restive falcon]

prob pips till you get signet but pure st its Signet/Branch

[wicked valve]

good, i dont like having two active trinks

[loud dome]

got mythic pips, outsimmed by hero hourglass :/

[smoky leaf]

yea pips is trash

need myth hourglass or myth signet 😅 t

[wicked valve]

Is bloodmallet trash for trinket estimate dps now? I havent used it ina while, but I remember using it years ago.

[drifting cloud]

no, its fine

but simming yourself will always be more accurate

also double on use doesnt work for assa even if best 2 trinkets are on use

you just use 1 of those two

[bleak hinge]

dumb question, new to assass, what should our stat % breakdown look like. I currently have 42/17/46/14

[lime crypt]

people in this channel are very much against that question

tldr, stats dont matter

[drifting cloud]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[drifting cloud]

I couldnt tell you what my stats look like since I never look at that and im 485

the best stat is just ilvl a big majority of the time, rest can always be fixed with enchants and g ems

[bleak hinge]

ok thank you, just wanting to figure out how to dps better

[lime crypt]

https://youtu.be/pnNSIr7TB7c?si=LuS1mE5morWGwueP

this guy is your holy grail of knowledge

check his videos

and ull be parsing oranges

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lick-fast-lick-cute-cat-cats-gif-27624519

[bleak hinge]

lol thanks again

[lime crypt]

help me rename

someone took my names on draenor

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[fast phoenix]

Sausagequeef

[lime crypt]

unsee

[fast phoenix]

Hotdogwater

[wicked valve]

Scoliosis

[lime crypt]

i dont think im gonna get invited to m+

if my name is gonna have "dogwater" in it

and so beggins new era

[clever perch]

I'm about to get crazy. Which item would you craft in this sim? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rfP7WPv3x6yhxUN1UNS8c4

[spice spire]

How is this plink

[clever perch]

all sims tell me to replace my recent 489 crit mastery ring i got in vault and get another 489 crit mastery crafted, im getting tilted xD

this looks so trol

[drifting cloud]

im not sure how thats so confusing to you

the guaranteed socket is just big on the rings

so unless youve taken alot of them from vault its going to be your best craft

or if you have socketed dungeon drops would work

3 ilvl on a ring is like 26? stats or something and a socket is 103

[clever perch]

i dont wanna replace my 489 crit mastery ring with another 489 crit mastery ring

seems like a waste of craft

[drifting cloud]

its 486+socket

[clever perch]

yea sry, i dont wanna replace my 489 crit mastery with a 486 + socket*

[drifting cloud]

and myth track is easy to get, so you might just not have aspect crests to even use

in a better way

and most likely wont have in 1-2 weeks

[clever perch]

that sim is with all crests maxed

idk

all sims telling me that i will gain +1000 dps replacing my 489 crit mastery with a 486 crit mastery + socket

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sanM59pv8c1qiigTTrUCLX
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qS9jwDVfpZiAR1fpfzo73Z
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hRwVJtG1UJ1b7oc3noY37x

[tacit charm]

sockets are op

[clever perch]

i pref to get a socket in vault at this point xD

[drifting cloud]

correct, taking the socket instead of that ring would be more dps short term

[tacit charm]

for the volcoross trinket do our bleeds count for the critical strikes? or no

like the bleed tick damage*

[drifting cloud]

but you will just take a socket in a few weeks that you can put on your ring

[clever perch]

yea thats why idk what to craft

im doing like 20 different sims with different gear setups and different runes to see which one gives me a good option not replacing my 489 c+m ring xD

i guess im almost full bis right now? wtf xD

[balmy condor]

I mean

yeah?

486

that kinda checks out

only thing left would be just vault rng and getting the hero stuff on mythic

@gusty mirage thoughts on my tindral raid comp?

[earnest remnant]

why is there an assa rogue there?

[drifting cloud]

[earnest remnant]

dead spec

[balmy condor]

true

[drifting cloud]

we cant all be 100% parsing racoons

im old

[gusty mirage]

your rogue is playing the wrong spec

[spice spire]

Where’s the warrior dropping gamer words

[spice spire]

Preach

[earnest remnant]

who is the 100% parsing raccoon id like to know him (cuz it aint me)

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant we've lost our minds

[earnest remnant]

ours arent much better

i ran around as a worgen tonight

and spammed "Woof"

[royal lantern]

we have 6 people using some form of "i pwessewd macwo owo"

thanks for macro mechanics blizz

[earnest remnant]

ngl

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/werewolf-wolf-growl-snarl-wolf-pack-gif-27072443

[earnest remnant]

i think the macro stuff

is 100x better

than Echo was

[spice spire]

Stealthi irl

[royal lantern]

echo was just a borderline failed boss with its desing

idk how it got green light with the timers beeing like that

[drifting cloud]

macro stuff is piss ez

you dont even have to look at was, tts tells you to press it on fyrakk

[gusty mirage]

guys

[old halo]

im so bad at the game

[gusty mirage]

its okay

pissmas has been saved

[royal lantern]

no raids until 4th january for me

[earnest remnant]

i funny enough turned that off

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

tonight is the last night

[earnest remnant]

was too loud

[drifting cloud]

youre just built diff

[gusty mirage]

until next year

[earnest remnant]

dunno why but the TTS is so extremely loud for me, but the normal WA sounds are just right

so anything TTS i have to turn off or im getting jump scared each time

[drifting cloud]

probably based on your game master volume?

or is it weakaura setting

was normal volume for me atleast

[earnest remnant]

[drifting cloud]

I can ask bart lol

do you play with game sounds normally?

[earnest remnant]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

WAs don't use in game volume

at least from personal experience

gotta actually tweak it in the WA I think

[keen spruce]

I couldn't figure out how to make the Hiya and Biya louder

on the WAs i made

[woven star]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[earnest remnant]

my WA sounds are nice sounding not to quiet not overly loud, but the TTS shit blasts my ears

[woeful meteor]

tts goes over windows systems sound or something like that

rly random

[gusty mirage]

ye and the WAs that use TTS just bypass all system sounds

[storm monolith]

so for the system that lets you turn items into set pieces, what is the general item level you consider doing that? wouldn't want to waste that scarce resource on something that i'll outstrip quickly

[drifting cloud]

theres no wrong or right answers here, it just depends the level of content you are doing

and eventually the charges will stack up high enough where you wont have anything to use it on, think theyll also be 1 a week next patch which is in january (not sure)

getting 4set asap = prio

[storm monolith]

it's just i have a 450 head piece and chest piece, but i plan on doing some 5-8's till i'm comfortable with the dungeons so i can do higher keys

[drifting cloud]

what track are those items

[runic hinge]

Should just go straight to 18’s tbh everything is too easy this patch

[storm monolith]

i literally do not know any dungeon mechanics

i've done some 2's and 5's but i was hard carried by my gear in there

[runic hinge]

Just press cloak

Ez pz

[drifting cloud]

dont worry about it too much, try to queue 9+ asap as you can, they are timable with people doing tank dps

[storm monolith]

i've got a 476, and 437 weapon in offhand

avg ilvl is 448

[drifting cloud]

thats plenty

I was doing mount runs in 10-13 keys, yeah im doing alot of dmg but even with a guy doing 40k overall it was still +2

and since key levels are so powercrept they will take you into those level ranges since not alot of people are applying

just have gear enchanted and youre already better than 80% of chars in there

and an item that drops in a +9 key can be upgraded to 476

[eternal heath]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[solar bramble]

what was the website that shows peoples cd alignments?

[drifting cloud]

https://lorrgs.io/

[solar bramble]

tyty

[junior yoke]

Hey good morning

I feel 3% more depressed everyday

[tall basalt]

is there a science behind indiscriminate carnage that im just not understanding? sometimes i wonder why it doesnt hit certain mobs and other times why it does

[sweet shore]

Iirc it should prioritize mobs that don’t have the bleed you’re trying to apply

[keen spruce]

So IC can hit things in a certain range of you and a certain range of your target. Like 2 overlapping circles. It prioritizes things that don’t already have garrote or rupture on them. Then things that have lower duration garrotes or rupture on them. There’s probably some logic about which mobs it picks past that but it’s random enough to not worry about it

[midnight atlas]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[tall basalt]

thanks, this is what I was looking for, it seemed like either randomness or I just couldn’t figure out the missing piece

[orchid flume]

[snow hamlet]

After 34 days you will find peace and become a healer

[storm monolith]

if i'm remembering the table right, regardless of the keyword for a piece of gear, crests of a certain type can only get you to a maximum level for that crest, right? like drake's, regardless of veteran or above gear, will always bring you to X level?

[balmy condor]

Yes

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[storm monolith]

should i just bite the bullet and convert my 450 vet gears into set pieces?

[balmy condor]

I would caution against it typically

champ gear is pretty easily farmable from m+ considering you only need to do a +9

[junior yoke]

Gona play dh byebye rogues

#1melemeta

[storm monolith]

so champ is the lowest you'd be willing to use them on?

[balmy condor]

I think everyone should be able to get champ gear to catalyst

I'd personally recommend probably hero at this point

but that might be tough for more casual players and stuff

veteran is basically welfare gear at this point though

I don't see a reason for anyone to use that

[near valley]

For welfare

[velvet ridge]

what are your guys thuoghts on the new discord mobile update that makes it so pins are harder to find and read

[balmy condor]

garbage

[static glacier]

Mog

[static glacier]

I’m refusing to update my discord

[near valley]

Discord mobile is tragic

[velvet ridge]

and how the swipe was replaced with making it easy to reply to someone

[weary badger]

hi do we refresh rupture in kingsbane window or let it run out?

[near valley]

Just everything in the UI was made worse somehow

[static glacier]

Refresh for Lethal dose

[balmy condor]

if it's gonna drop you'd want to refresh

[weary badger]

ah so its better to let envenom drop and refresh rupture?

[static glacier]

You don’t need to let envenom drop

But if it came down to it yeah, energy loss from no rupture ticks hurts

[weary badger]

whats the combo after vanish?

garrote rupture garrote or garrote garrote envenom

in kb window

or something esle

[normal mist]

In theory neither

[weary badger]

what can i squeeze in there

[storm forum]

1 gar, 1 ambush, 1 finisher

Is what I typically get

[balmy condor]

depends on the situation I guess

in single target 1 gar 1 ambush 1 envenom typically

but if you're in like 45 target aoe in m+ you'd want to just triple garrote

[storm forum]

If rup is in pandemic or close I do that over env

[storm monolith]

have been doing dungeons and i just

10 runs and i haven't picked up one piece of gear

all are timed 3 chests

[storm forum]

Unlucky

Time to break into blizzard servers and give yourself the loot you rightfully deserve

[storm monolith]

i just want a ring that's above 421 man T>T

[balmy condor]

sounds like a good item to craft

[storm monolith]

i wish i could

i'm leatherworker

[balmy condor]

okay?

[analog socket]

Order it?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[storm monolith]

i'm also BROKE

[balmy condor]

it's like 5k to craft a ring

[analog socket]

Is it not like 5k

[storm monolith]

yeah i don't have that

[glad vapor]

Broke in 2023?

[balmy condor]

go get it

[glad vapor]

I mean wow 2023 edition

[storm monolith]

how do you just GET 5k

[analog socket]

Go and kill mobs in some old world place and get 5k in a couple of minutes.

[storm monolith]

that makes no sense they don't drop that much

[analog socket]

Or world quest gives a couple of K

[near valley]

World questsM

[glad vapor]

WQ are like 800g

[near valley]

Deathrolling also works

[analog socket]

I got 15k from weekly rep quest

[near valley]

Rip WoD and SL mission tables for gold

[storm monolith]

i've given up deathrolling after the........... incident, last year

tldr i lost 500k

[near valley]

No worry I gambled 500k on one night during raid

[storm monolith]

but yeah i guess i should just suck it up and do world quests

[near valley]

Lost spectacularly

[storm monolith]

i lost a 1 in 10000

stars aligned to perfectly fuck me in the ass

should i play the spatter build? i've been doing the heavy execute one with bleeds

but idk if i'll see significant gains below 15s

[analog socket]

Go and do siege of orgrimmar

Some battle pets there worth gold and sell fast iirc

[lucid rain]

in low keys, you'll have more success with sudden demise

so left/right talents

nothing will live long enough for you to get any meaningful spatter damage

[glad vapor]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[storm monolith]

i'm sorry i don't know how to digest this

[lucid rain]

so there's a talent you have in the bottom right called sudden demise

[storm monolith]

i meant the spreadsheet

[lucid rain]

oh

yeah good luck with that

[balmy condor]

mostly just theoretical limits

not really usable

[storm monolith]

i'm really tempted to try outlaw

just to see what the hype is about

apparently you develop carpal tunnel from it, and that sounds like it's my kinda class

[balmy condor]

imagining yourself playing outlaw actually gives you arthritis instantly

[storm monolith]

oh shit'st syour's rihgt

[balmy condor]

you feel your fingers start to lock up when you get the idea

[near valley]

That's why you never imagine

Don't think just do

[storm monolith]

wait i can't play it

i don't have weapons for it

[near valley]

Works everywhere in life

Don't think just do

[balmy condor]

would this be a bad time to mention that you could craft a weapon

[storm monolith]

leatherworker, broke bitch

deadly combo

[balmy condor]

yeah but you could

[jaunty dew]

!fuu

[near valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[real stirrup]

you can't cleave the witches on WM right?

[balmy condor]

I mean you can

but two of them are immune

[real stirrup]

yeah no point then

[spice spire]

Doesn’t mean you can’t tho

[real stirrup]

two of them are immune?

[balmy condor]

yeah but like

you could

[real stirrup]

for 0 gain if they are immune?

[balmy condor]

I mean you'd get energy from them

[real stirrup]

ohh

[balmy condor]

the value of that is pretty questionable

but like

you could

[spice spire]

Imagine bleeding an immune boss. Now imagine bleeding 2

[near valley]

Why is this photo so high quality and realistic?

It's making me uncomfortable

[balmy condor]

heck, imagine an even higher quality and photo realistic image

[real stirrup]

where you see the pours

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-because-gif-11777634

[real stirrup]

I wanna see grand canyon skin on that mfer

[spice spire]

God I should call her

[near valley]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[spice spire]

No u

[blazing jewel]

why is that pic so deep fried

[quiet oar]

He is from Britain

It had to go through water

So its a bit washed up

[balmy condor]

I may have uh

done something

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[quiet oar]

Whisp, he as an eye on you with Murloc custome

[balmy condor]

could be a 33 megapixel image

but I think discord ate some of the pixels

[quiet oar]

Like

Can you give it

Blue hair

[real stirrup]

https://v.redd.it/2v75re6t9r7c1/DASH_360.mp4

[spice spire]

Whispyr one vodka redbull deep looking at a sink at 4 am

[quiet oar]

Whisp when someone mentions Noxxic as Guide website

[near valley]

Jesus

Somehow made it more uncomfortable

[balmy condor]

yeh

[robust scaffold]

bro what is that

cool shit no cap

[low zenith]

Question for all ypu assassin bois. At what point do you reveive diminishing returns on mastery? I feel like im way overcapped but dunno what to replacd

[balmy condor]

you just sim

top gear, gear compare, droptimizer

there's no breakpoint

[clever sapphire]

now imagine 3 or 4 because afflicted can spawn for even more bleeding immune target

[vale void]

Hi! Trying to figure out the aoe rotation and m+ playstyle. Got some questions about the wowhead guide on that topic (not sure if I completely understand it):

1. Entering the aoe pull should you utilize Indiscriminate Carnage or do you use Garrot and Rupture only once before the first cast of Kingsbane?
2. So you should spread Improved Garrote and Rupture while having Indiscriminate Carnage, but should you spread not Improved Garrote?
3. In what circumstances do you delay Shadow Dance/Vanish to use it outside Kingsbane combo? Or you don't?
4. On up to how many targets should you maintain Rupture outside Indiscriminate Carnage? 10 to cap Scent of Blood?

[plucky canopy]

Can someone help me with Signet, I have the feeling that trinket is kinda overvalued for rogues, I looked at some logs and almost always did like 2-3mil less than on other classes (on fyrakk and tindral mythic).
The hc one is not an upgrade for me at all, the mythic is.

[low zenith]

I try not to use signet when i can. Getting ripped out of stealth in m+ is annoying

[balmy condor]

1 - you always want to use your time with improved garrote and get up rupture for caustic spatter, past that it's very dependent on build and situation because you don't want to delay cooldowns needlessly, especially in lower keys where things will just die insta
2 - sure yeah go for it, if you need the energy I guess, nothing wrong with it
3 - shadow dance generally never, vanish in m+ is more of a tool for carnage than anything
4 - scent of blood caps at 5, if you're using a build with it then yeah you'd want to cap that, otherwise just for energy

[desert inlet]

whispyr who's ur favorite spice girl

[balmy condor]

it's a very good trinket when it can be utilized properly, it needs to be a longer fight for one, and it's very rng as well. It's also a hasted effect so trying to compare across classes is completely pointless

[balmy condor]

idk I'm not 75 years old

[spice spire]

He’s too young for that one big dog

[vale void]

cool, thx!

[desert inlet]

:(

[buoyant pilot]

Ask about One Direction

[spice spire]

Really outting the age there, endwyr (mine too dog wtf)

Big fan of west

My favorite one direction

[desert inlet]

the movie came out when I was 2

[spice surge]

Kanye?

[spice spire]

Pretty sure I was 5 (97? Was the movie?)

[spice spire]

[plucky canopy]

So good for fyrakk, and kinda okay for tindral (I guess downtime can hurt that trinket a lot?) and in the end "lol just get proccs dude"

[balmy condor]

its good on smold too

but yeh

downtime isn't the issue as much as dropping combat

which sadly kinda happens on tindral with the flying

cause it's weird

[plucky canopy]

Ah yes, and it is to long for it to not drop stacks or?

[drifting cloud]

just dont use it on tindral, but its turbo bis on fyrakk

for whatever reason theres fury logs where it still farms on tindral

even tho I dont know why

[balmy condor]

seems like bugged stacks or something

doesn't drop stacks in intermission

hits 15

and then drops to 1 instantly

and stays there

[drifting cloud]

yeah I dont know, I assumed the display in logs is buggy

[balmy condor]

no fucking idea

thats some whack shit

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/schmidt-newgirl-youths-gif-9713766

[spice surge]

Maybe you dont drop stacks if you fly into fire orbs or something silly like that

[spice spire]

We get it ur 84

[balmy condor]

guess I could check

[drifting cloud]

or does you have to rng god proc it while boss is flying over?

or what

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-my-prime-funny-ironic-age-old-gif-11480659

[royal lantern]

youre not???

[spice spire]

Prime to die days maybe

[balmy condor]

he didn't hit orbs

[desert inlet]

game just kinda sucks i think

[balmy condor]

yeh

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[balmy condor]

lowkey ive been trying to remember any of the names of the spice girls

since endwyr asked

and the only thing my brain is doing is going

"SALT AND PEPPAH"

in a super overblown english accent

[desert inlet]

what's ur favorite salt n pepa song

I like shoop

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[spice spire]

They have more than two songs?

[balmy condor]

I only know push it

[desert inlet]

thats a good 1

[spice spire]

Rawdog the log

[umbral summit]

can someone take a look at my Nymue log please? I felt like I did a good job but the parse was dumpster: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qBFCa98vKQ6rAtcw#fight=80&type=damage-done&source=3

[umbral summit]

yessir

[lime crypt]

@slate crown hello mr, is there a reason why in your weakaura pack, in outlaw, slice and dice glows from time to time for no reason?

usually it glows whenever pistol shot procs

[near valley]

Whispyr not knowing of Posh Spice, Baby Spice, Scary Spice, Ginger Spice and Sporty Spice

What are they teaching in schools these days

I too watched the movie and it came out 3 yrs b4 I was born

Some relics in sin chat

[balmy condor]

Brother just made up 5 adjectives to combine with spice

And 4 of them don’t make sense

I’ve heard of ginger before

It’s in my spice cabinet

[drifting cloud]

we all know youre a big footy fan so you know posh spice

[potent lintel]

So what exactly does evasion do? Dodge chance 100% from what?

[near valley]

Take it as you dodge most physical attacks 100% of the time

Including autos

So like 60% of the time it works all the time.

Unless u face ur back towards what ur trying to dodge

[balmy condor]

Think of it like parry on bosses

[near valley]

Don't remind me of parry and bosses

[balmy condor]

An old, antique mechanic that probably shouldn’t exist, and serves only to confuse people

[desert inlet]

it doesn't just confuse

it also enrages

[near valley]

DM getting parried in the year of our Lord 2023

[balmy condor]

Why did I die there? Oh well you had aggro and then turned 27 degrees left actually so

[near valley]

[balmy condor]

Uh

Didn’t dodge

Had you turned 26 degrees

Would’ve been fine

[twilit star]

Hey guys whats the best way to sim for M+? (raidbots, options while simming) Thank you in advance

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice

[near valley]

I want a slice of your dungeon

[balmy condor]

And I want to die

But we can’t all have what we want

[twilit star]

oh thanks! thought it would be that option wasnt sure

[desert inlet]

have u tried turning 27 degrees to the left

[blazing jewel]

Evasion is op sometimes

Best defensive

I tanked a Nymue treant on mythic with it lmfao

[balmy condor]

Evasion is very good when you take elusiveness and then ignore the original effect of evasion

[twilit star]

do we ever really take elusiveness?

[balmy condor]

You can take elusiveness on every boss in the raid

And past like +25’s you kinda need elusiveness for stuff

Or you just fucking die

[near valley]

Every boss just rot damaging

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[royal lantern]

i would be #1 deaths on smoldy cus of waves

[near valley]

Have you tried just pressing the pause button?

[balmy condor]

Ngl I played like shit today

[blazing jewel]

Do big dam

[balmy condor]

And 90% of the waves didn’t even proc my cheat

Was weird

I got bouncy castled for like 4 waves in a row

And it was just fine

[blazing jewel]

Did you like it

[balmy condor]

Fuck no

But at least all my mythic parses are purple now

[blazing jewel]

[desert inlet]

but bouncy castles are fun

[balmy condor]

Not when they’re made of fire

[spice spire]

False bestie

[balmy condor]

??

You want fire bouncy castle?

[blazing jewel]

???

[balmy condor]

I’m giving George a bork operated lighter and 5 gallons of gasoline

What happens to your house with those objects is none of my concern afterwards

[blazing jewel]

George loves arson

[balmy condor]

When I had a dog, he would go wild walking past gas stations, literally could not contain himself

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-dance-dark-humor-gif-24247196

[balmy condor]

He’d just want to lick the fuel pump

Not the nozzle or anything

[keen spruce]

https://www.twitch.tv/shmeeps_phd/clip/HyperInquisitiveSnailOpieOP-m4L6FPsTLO8xhM-l

[near valley]

Gas Guzzler

[balmy condor]

He’d sit there and lick the metal

[blazing jewel]

Gasoline has a lot of calories

He was trying to bulk

[near valley]

Least economic doggo

[keen spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733609658912210986/1186089052391358504/LxXVcmG.gif?ex=6591fa82&is=657f8582&hm=2c02d2dbac6cf70d4f6240f58aeabf3827a0a20c5caf1ebc6ae90812b6ece7af&

[spice surge]

American pilled dog

[blazing jewel]

That is great content lmfao

Also your circles in that pic are demonic

[drifting cloud]

you know what has alot of calories

uranium

(this is not a setup)

[balmy condor]

Bro the fact that you play with particle effects turned so high flashbanged me I thought “wow I’ve never seen that mechanic before that’s weird”

[keen spruce]

this was like day 1 of prog. No one had any idea what was going on

[balmy condor]

It’s just

The pulsing

Of the overheat

[keen spruce]

I play on

2

[balmy condor]

Well

Apparently 2

Has particle effects

[drifting cloud]

its not 2

[desert inlet]

I think particle effects on at all is high for that boss

[drifting cloud]

its just the one setting

[balmy condor]

That made me think I forgot a mechanic

[keen spruce]

let me check i thought i just played on default 2

[plucky canopy]

Jesus rng

[balmy condor]

We also use a weakaura that turns off particle effects

So

[desert inlet]

I play on 1

but soon I will grow my debt and have a cool computer

[spice surge]

I mean its not rng, he sees that hes not in any lines

[blazing jewel]

PHD strikes again with the 4d chess on that plant position

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[plucky canopy]

Yea but the fact he can plant and sit is rng

[balmy condor]

That’s low

[keen spruce]

low > disabled ig

[desert inlet]

true

1 > 0

[spice spire]

George literally doesn’t bark unless someone knocks on the door

[balmy condor]

That’s a factual statement yes

Low is in fact greater than nothing

[desert inlet]

my roommate's dog been barkin at ghosts recently

think we're haunted

[blazing jewel]

At least the ghost is scared

[spice spire]

I know I’m haunted man

The ghost of what could have been with me and whispyr

[near valley]

If your dog isn't barking at the visitors that peak beyond the veil of reality; waiting to usher in an age of carnage the likes of which the world has never seen or will ever see again, can you really say you have a dog?

[royal lantern]

my neighboor had a dog that didnt bark at visitors

he just walked up and smiled

[spice spire]

Bro?

[royal lantern]

🙂

[gritty root]

Anyone care to take a peek at my first M Larodar log? Felt like I didn't mess up too badly, but performance says otherwise. Méthódícal from the two rogues. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9WNYkMQDjay3t6bd#fight=23&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

Chop chop @spice spire your penance is not paid

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/silas-self-flagellation-the-da-vinci-code-albino-penance-gif-10128470

[balmy condor]

Also please use a real flask

[near valley]

You don't hear their maddening pleas, in the dark recesses of your mind, urging you to break them from the prison that holds them?

[balmy condor]

It’s embarrassing at this point

[near valley]

Idk seems pretty normal Quake

[arctic hare]

What stance is shadow dance considered for macros?

[ashen rover]

fun cant get to last boss cause shes stuck in this animation thanks blizzard

[near valley]

I think 1?

[arctic hare]

Hmm, if that was the case than ambush would switch to mut during SD

[near valley]

It does naturally anyway right?

I forget now

[arctic hare]

nope. not on my weirdass bars

[royal lantern]

and bruh, some people have 0 sense

asking a crafter for a recraft

and he just tells me

"yeha 50k"

[arctic hare]

lol what?

[ashen rover]

lmfao

[desert inlet]

dollars??

[drifting cedar]

I replaced Mutilate completely

[arctic hare]

Why? you still need it when you don't have Ambush procs and or are not in vanish/stealth windows

[drifting cedar]

Doing Ambush only when in stealth

Because it didn't switch for me either

[arctic hare]

oh, I would, but my bars are set up weird, and I have bar 6 as my mut fok garrote envenom bar.

[balmy condor]

1 is stealth, 2 is dance

[arctic hare]

thanks

[balmy condor]

Can do
/cast [nostance] Mutilate

I’m pretty sure

And then /cast ambush

And should work?

[arctic hare]

perfect

it worked

[balmy condor]

Nice

[desert inlet]

ur brain is so big and wrinkly

[arctic hare]

just did /cast [nostance] mutilate;ambush and it worked

oh shit

it even works for subterfuge too

[spice spire]

Dude I was in the shower

[near valley]

Wtf

[desert inlet]

oh it's just a boring log thread

[balmy condor]

@spice spire proof?

[spice spire]

I’m not naming these serious anymore

[arctic hare]

lmao

[royal lantern]

you need a proof?

you think quake takes showers?

he cant do log reviews inside them

[spice spire]

It’s wet man

[balmy condor]

Well, yeah your shower might be, and I might be, but what about you

[spice spire]

Dog?

[desert inlet]

is that the facial cleanser

is good

[royal lantern]

not the only thing thats wet

[arctic hare]

So wait, if this mut macro turns it all to ambush whenever its in any form of stance, can't I just get rid of the ambush keybind now?

[royal lantern]

(its raining)

[balmy condor]

German actually

[balmy condor]

Correct

[arctic hare]

WHOOOOOO

But hmm, what to replace it with I wonder.

[balmy condor]

Welcome to the new world Christopher Columbus

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

Try this plant, it’s called cacao and tastes like shit until you shove it full of milk and sweeteners

[desert inlet]

frick u christopher columbus

ur day stinks

[arctic hare]

lol

[near valley]

Where is your shower beer?

[spice spire]

Yeah it is, it’s pretty good tbh. Only recently started using

[arctic hare]

makes my opener that much less complicated, sweet

brb, time to practice again

[spice spire]

Bro im about to go to work

[near valley]

And??

[balmy condor]

Yeah you are, I see open log threads

[desert inlet]

have u tried shower orange

[blazing jewel]

What

[white bone]

My guild needs me to reroll from Windwalker to either Feral or Rogue. And i fucking hate the way they butchered the class

[balmy condor]

Is this related to agent orange?

[unkempt tundra]

In AOE for m+ how often is Crimson Tempest used?

[white bone]

So I guess hello fellow rogues

[drifting cloud]

why would you reroll to a worse class, ww big chads now

[balmy condor]

How long does a 4 cp crimson tempest last

[near valley]

5 secs?

[keen spruce]

u talkin about literally eating an orange in the shower?

[spice spire]

Speaking of. I have questions for you sir

[keen spruce]

[white bone]

?

[near valley]

Shower orange and shower beer

[unkempt tundra]

12 seconds

[near valley]

[balmy condor]

Honk shoo honk shoo

[balmy condor]

Then I guess once every 12 seconds as long as you have 4 or more targets

[desert inlet]

yeah'

[spice spire]

I’m dming you

What the

[balmy condor]

?????

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

Dog,

You good

[blazing jewel]

Is that an irl PI

[royal lantern]

yes

[keen spruce]

[unkempt tundra]

Been using HeKili to learn Assassin.. and it never shows up in the rotation it tells me 😦 lol

[balmy condor]

Is this orange levitating

What is happening here

[near valley]

All you need is the shower chicken nuggets

[blissful forge]

hekili users 😶

[desert inlet]

the shower orange is a powerful thing

[unkempt tundra]

I'm learning Ok! haha

[balmy condor]

Yeah, dogshit addon lmao

[near valley]

Even the ghosts in the house enjoy a good shower orange

[blazing jewel]

It’s magnetized to her

That’s clearly a robot ai

Not a real person

[near valley]

Ur not real scana

[balmy condor]

Endwyr has evolved past the need for gravity

[near valley]

Gravity is just a rule

[balmy condor]

The oranges float on demand

[blissful forge]

even if you learn dont use hekili

[near valley]

And rules are meant to be broken

[blissful forge]

ths addon is jus shiii

[near valley]

Just tell gravity to stop working

[balmy condor]

Isn’t gravity technically still a theory

Idk the definitions of things

[unkempt tundra]

It has helped me improve my dps and just general rotation. i know its not the greatest

[near valley]

Ignore gravity

[arctic hare]

I think so?

Its the only one of the four fundamental forces that we don't understand how it works.

[near valley]

Not true

[arctic hare]

Sorry

[near valley]

Their is a 5th one

[arctic hare]

The LEAST understood

[blazing jewel]

Do you think a raid of 20 people following hekili could kill mythic fyrakk

[arctic hare]

hmmmmm?

[arctic hare]

yes

[plucky canopy]

Probably better than the average ce guild 😂😂

Not sure about healers tho

[balmy condor]

As long as they aren’t playing rogue yeah

Hekili works fine on like Paladin and whatever

It’s just unplayable dogshit on rogue

[unkempt tundra]

Why?

[balmy condor]

Beats me

[quiet oar]

I mean ofc, the Bossmods and weakauras already play the Boss for them?

[balmy condor]

I’m not wasting my time looking into it

[arctic hare]

looked it up and it only seems to be a speculative theory so far

[balmy condor]

All I know is it plays like Hellen Keller

And she died before the game came out

[raw cedar]

so for this week in keys if we wanna play assas, should the group kill shades or just chain regardless of restealts ?

[keen spruce]

chain

always chain

chain is more time fighting more stuff

less time standing around

faster key

more damage

goodge

[desert inlet]

start killing them until they're all 1% then chain is what most people have been doing in my experience

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[near valley]

No speculation. A 5th exists

[quiet oar]

Thats sums up pretty much every tank

[keen spruce]

the best is the 'one spiteful left before a boss and the tank gets impatient when it's below 200k hp and pulls the boss'

[near valley]

[arctic hare]

LOL, I was really expecting something like that

[spice spire]

Brother Batman couldn’t beat that outta me

And I say some wild things

[near valley]

You've gotten old Quake

[spice spire]

Gotten old ?

[balmy condor]

Batman could beat me

[spice spire]

Brother I’ve been there

[spice spire]

You need to sleep

Also thank you for the enlightenment

[balmy condor]

Post nut clarity

[near valley]

[blazing jewel]

Which Batman would you want to beat you up

[spice spire]

H8 you

[blazing jewel]

I’m thinking the guy from twilight when he played Batman could punish me pretty good

[balmy condor]

Adam west

[near valley]

Nah Micheal Keaton defo got that frying pan hands

[unkempt tundra]

lewis wilson

[spice spire]

[blazing jewel]

Quake you’re next

[near valley]

What you confused about?

Name ur Batman

[spice spire]

Honestly he was a pretty good Batman. Was pleasantly surprised

[near valley]

Movie was long though ngl

Either that or my adhd is too strong

[balmy condor]

Wait when the fuck did Josh hutcherson play Batman

[near valley]

Play or voice?

[balmy condor]

Idk

Either?

Oh

Justice league

Apparently

Weirdge

[near valley]

Apparently justice league unlimited

He voiced him

[balmy condor]

Yeh

You learn something new

[spice spire]

Anyway

You mfs down bad for a Friday

[near valley]

Don't be jealous

[blazing jewel]

And?

[spice spire]

Go to bed florida man

[blazing jewel]

I’ll have you know I slept a few hours already

[spice spire]

Twinsies

I tried to go back to sleep 3 hours ago

But failed

[near valley]

Failed I'm guessing

[pulsar leaf]

this just casts mutilate for me even in stealth

[pulsar leaf]

am i just dumb

[spice spire]

Instead I’m just yapping

[near valley]

Yes?

[keen spruce]

[near valley]

But you love the yap

[balmy condor]

Idk @arctic hare said it worked

[near valley]

They didn't call you Fetty Yap in school for nothing Quakey

[balmy condor]

Try [stance:0] instead

[spice spire]

No I actually had a much worse nickname given to me by a coach of mine

[near valley]

Oh no

[spice spire]

I ain’t leaking the government name tho

[balmy condor]

Mambo number 6

[pulsar leaf]

i am dumb nevermind

[near valley]

OK Ashley

[spice spire]

?

[near valley]

I assumed that was your government name

[spice spire]

Nah that’s what I call your pops

[blazing jewel]

Ashley is a red flag name frfr

[balmy condor]

Quake’s actually named after a type of aquatic plant

[spice spire]

Real

[solid mica]

Been waiting for that song for so long bro

[near valley]

Kelp?

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

No, nelumbo nucifera

[spice spire]

Bro?

[balmy condor]

Cause he’s beautiful

[spice spire]

[near valley]

Bro casting a Hogwart's spell

[spice spire]

Bro I love howart

[balmy condor]

It’s just a lotus

[near valley]

I figured

[blazing jewel]

Omg quake was named after mtg

[near valley]

And by I I mean google

[blazing jewel]

Lotus #1

[near valley]

Luka Tim

[spice spire]

No

[arctic hare]

it did work for me, not sure why, just did
#showtooltip
/cast [nostance] Mutilate;Ambush

[balmy condor]

I can name a plant but don’t ask me to spell any of those fucking Vikings playing in the NBA

[keen spruce]

I bedge

[spice spire]

Gn

[near valley]

Good morning

[near valley]

They actually play for the EPL

[desert inlet]

gn

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-goodnight-tucked-in-gif-11824017

[balmy condor]

That Luka guy everyone’s talking about

Has 2 c’s in his name

Neither are in his first name

[desert inlet]

doncic

[balmy condor]

And both of them have funny accents

[spice spire]

I feel like this is a bit

It has to be

[near valley]

nah

[balmy condor]

Is it donçić?

[near valley]

It's an actual person's name

[balmy condor]

Ćič?

[desert inlet]

Dončić

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

I know who it is

[balmy condor]

I will not remember this

[desert inlet]

me either I copied it from google

[spice spire]

I’m just thinking whispyr doing a bit

[balmy condor]

A bit of what

[spice spire]

Oh y’know

[near valley]

A bit of deez nuts

[balmy condor]

Chess nuts roasting on an open fire

[near valley]

Are chess nuts nice?

[balmy condor]

[near valley]

Why did I spell it wrong like you did

[balmy condor]

Yellow name

[near valley]

Kinda based

[balmy condor]

Based on what

[spice spire]

Based on this

[near valley]

Based on Boffa

[spice spire]

Ahh yes shorthand for the great Greek hero Bofades

[balmy condor]

Based on Luka Don Cheadle or whatever

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

Whatcha baiting bud

[pulsar leaf]

yeah i was been dumb and didn't replace it on my stealth bar

[lavish wagon]

Guys simple question in m+ branch or ashes? 🙂 both 483

[balmy condor]

Wait but if you’re using a stealth bar why would you need a macro just put ambush there

[near valley]

Didn't he fight in the Battle of Troy? Next to Sucades?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[pulsar leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hanks-forrest-gump-not-a-smart-man-not-smart-gif-4495828

[balmy condor]

Understandable

[potent lintel]

How much do you guys pay attention to sanguine blades? Ideally when I cast shadow dance should I wait for energy to be above 50% before using garrote and rupture?

[balmy condor]

We don’t

[jaunty dew]

Most people I see take Cheat Death over Elusiveness

[balmy condor]

Okay

[plucky canopy]

I don't get the disable stealthbar, there is no benefit besides not having to put every ability twice or?

[shut canopy]

thats about it yeah

[arctic hare]

In my case, cheat death usually ends up making a pull last longer than necessary, so DR it is

[jaunty dew]

In my personal experience having a passive "oh shit i fucked up" is better for me than having to spend energy on feint and maybe a 10 second dmg reduction in raid.

[arctic hare]

Hmm, true

but its 20% DR

on a 15 second cd, with 2 charges

[jaunty dew]

True, but in most cases it'll be just for a dot or something applied to you i think.

Not sure how many mechanics it'll apply to

[blissful forge]

elu in keys makes you much more durable, especially if played correct you dont get OS anyway

• Evasion is being an 20% dr aswell

which you lower the cd on outlaw aswell

[arctic hare]

I think evasion is still a 10%

[blissful forge]

nope

its 20%

[jaunty dew]

I was talking about raiding, as for M+ that could very well be the case

[blissful forge]

they buffed it

[arctic hare]

I mean, we rogues ARE the weakest to dots though

[blissful forge]

after boomy

if you know that you dont die to stupid shit where cd saves you

i think elu is still the play in raid

i switched to elu for fyrakk prog. since i dont die to frontals/balls and that helps healers so much

but thats also personal pref.

[blazing jewel]

What are you feinting on fyrakk that normal feint doesn’t work on

[subtle tundra]

feint on fyrak is the most op defensive

in the game

[blazing jewel]

Yea it’s really good