assassination

[feral mason]

Rerolling to another spec doesnt help whatsoever

[gaunt moat]

Unfortunately i play perfect so i probably can't 😔

[wicked zodiac]

guys the nerf on sin is already on Fuu simulations ?

[feral mason]

so real

[loud dome]

Is pip's any good for us? every droptimizer sim i run ignores it

[gaunt moat]

It's okay.

a mythic pip's is about the same level as an heroic hourglass

[dark token]

Not true

You need to reorganize some stats around

But it's very slightly better on ST

[gaunt moat]

what wasn't true

[dark token]

More importantly it's our bis AOE/m+ passive trinket

[loud dome]

right now i have heroic ashes and hourglass

[dark token]

I suggest doing a great vault top gear sim to see how much the pips is an upgrade

For me It was like 800 st dps

But it was the bis m+ trinket

[loud dome]

should i sim my gems and enchants before of after?

[dark token]

Yes do a gem/enchant replace sim while doing it

Pips changes ur stats around a bit

If wasn't much of a gain until I regemmdd

[mystic osprey]

Doing mistweaver damage

Can barely beat prot warriors now

[loud dome]

thank you both

[spice spire]

Maybe for you but I’m different

[mystic osprey]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[earnest remnant]

wdym, you are to busy foaming at the mouth thinking about the homies, than focusing on playing the game

[spice spire]

By being bricked up I remain focused at all times

That’s the secret to gooning big dog

[balmy condor]

@spice spire thank you for your service doing log reviews, but since the spec is now omegadead unplayable meme spec, your services are no longer needed

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

@spice spire thank you for your service doing log reviews, but since the spec is now omegadead unplayable meme spec, your services are no longer needed

🫡

[earnest remnant]

you can do sub log reviews instead

cuz i wont

[spice spire]

I sincerely mean this

Fuck you

[earnest remnant]

would if i could

[spice spire]

Same

[lucid scroll]

do you guys still run crimson tempest on tyran week?

[balmy condor]

lot of people don't even run it on fort week

can play whatever you want

[lucid scroll]

using this atm, im seeing so many different builds for this week

no sudden demise but unsure on the value of it

[wicked zodiac]

guys the nerf on assassin is already incluide on Fuu simulations ?

[earnest remnant]

the recent 3% one?

nah

[wicked zodiac]

ye

s

ok

[earnest remnant]

hm maybe it is, it was ran 8 hours ago

[harsh galleon]

any updated pi list since class tuning?

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet

[balmy condor]

yeah this is just the cleave build

that's one of the m+ builds

[lucid scroll]

alright cheers thanks for the help, feels good to me was just checking if there was anything better

[zealous niche]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torn atlas]

bloodmallet still showing sims from 16th for me

[balmy condor]

unlucky

they need to get on that

-3% from that I guess

[torn atlas]

i dont get pi anyway so doesnt matter, but one of the first things I checked today out of curiosity

[oak tangle]

i'm gonna have to argue with my bm that im a better player

so if i lose that argument this is a 8.5% nerf

[scarlet sable]

How we coping today

[scarlet sable]

I perm dropped CT life’s good

I thought sub was struggling was the sub hate all just a meme

[slate scarab]

It's frustrating to keep getting nerfed when multiple other specs are just as good.

[past bobcat]

If we traded in aspects for wyrms on accident, is there a way to get them back?

[scarlet sable]

We’re the #1 raid dps according to WCL

That weekly graphic thing

Big yellow up in that bitch

[slate scarab]

M+ we aren't.

[scarlet sable]

Outlaw

Tyran week you want big sin boy to delete boss

Assassinate them if you will

[misty holly]

Isn't that just the single target spec with a single point moved to IC? lol

[hollow mantle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/krBW239Ht8qyDXP1#view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2 can you guys help me on my rotation or what im doing wrong? parses can get more than blue parse

[oak tangle]

any particular fight?

[hollow mantle]

for ej volcoross

i cant figure out

what im doing wrong

[oak tangle]

you got an 85 for that one

[hollow mantle]

sorry igira*

[remote grail]

without any external buffs, does assassination still performs better on st than sub or outlaw?

[boreal raven]

so uh...poison bomb on larodar

is there something i can do about that lol

[brittle pawn]

die to fire you can't see

[boreal raven]

lol

trolly as fuck

[oak tangle]

maybe not a major thing, but you don't have a primary stat gem

[hollow mantle]

hm

kkkk

[oak tangle]

also

you didnt get pi

probs the major thing

you vs the dk, he got pi on his 2 minutes

what a waste

[thin portal]

does anyone run sin in M+

[slow wadi]

i do mainly atm

[thin portal]

wat key levels

[oak tangle]

2-22

[slow wadi]

26atm highest havent done much pushing

[thin portal]

I just got a double stat branch in vault wondering if i should try

Mydas isnt dropping for outlaw

im tired of farming that

[hollow mantle]

probably thats it hahaha

tyty

[icy acorn]

another week, another socket

[storm monolith]

alright time to get back to the grind

100% on my first test of the semester

feeling confident

[native flax]

how big was the nerf in total?

[oak tangle]

3%

[native flax]

with the melee attacks too?

figured it would be aorund 4

[oak tangle]

huh

how does a 3% nerf to every type of damage, equal 4%

[balmy condor]

shows up
doesn't check pins
asks pinned question
3% = 4%

[storm monolith]

whispyr are you ready for more of my dumb questions?

[balmy condor]

born ready

[storm monolith]

damn that's too bad i don't have any

[balmy condor]

[storm monolith]

taking your advice and spending time actually playing the class

[balmy condor]

feels like a trap lowkey

[storm monolith]

looking over all the talents for each spec currently to see how stuff functions, but i won't be able to get a good assessment without watching some vods and actually playing them myself

[oak tangle]

for sin? i recommend not thinking too much on sanguine blades

but, you could fullfill your promise to whispyr and ask if we play around it

[native flax]

sorry, mid mythic larodar pulls and didnt think about checking the pins.. you guys are fuhqd

talking down to somoene for trying to attain knowledge is the way to be apparently

[oak tangle]

i don't know that there was really talking down, I was jsut trying to understand why you thought it was 4%

[storm monolith]

speaking of vods, i've been told several times to watch pro players' vods so i can see what to do, because a lot of them have ability timelines. personally, i'm still struggling with even telling what's going on in those vods, let alone the reasoning why certain abilities are used in specific situations. is there a way to check for an ability timeline on the logs of those players? i think being able to see it all at once and then pick it apart that way would be more beneficial to me

[oak tangle]

there is

[storm monolith]

oh hey

[oak tangle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t9nvTLwaybNHP6pJ#fight=83&type=casts&translate=true&source=200&view=timeline

[storm monolith]

yeah babyyyyyyyy, TWO set pieces are in my vault

[oak tangle]

that is volcoross #1 parse cast order

[storm monolith]

thank you memz, super helpful

[oak tangle]

whether it's correct i can't tell you, but it did the most

[storm monolith]

i thought they removed death mark?

[balmy condor]

I'm sorry for offending you, I'm wasn't trying to talk down to you, but it was a bit funny

[storm monolith]

ok so i'm seeing he used rupture RIGHT after a singular ambush which was prefaced with snd. does that mean he crit the ambush, or do you just always get rupture out asap after snd?

yes i am aware of the prio list on wowhead

[balmy condor]

should be rupture before the snd no?

gar ambush rup

then the snd

[storm monolith]

nah he went garrote>snd>ambush>rupture

[balmy condor]

that's no gud

[native flax]

well naturally i seen "all ability damage, meaning i thought everything....then on top of that misunderstanding, i also thought melee attacks were added into the all ability

[storm monolith]

blame memz, he says this is the number one parse for volcoross

[oak tangle]

this is a perfect example of how top parsers don't follow sims

and make mistakes

[storm monolith]

crackpot theory: the parser knows more than the sim

[oak tangle]

but their ilvl, fight timers, externals, carry them to #1

[drifting cloud]

actually its an example of how little the opener matters in general

[oak tangle]

that too

but good luck doing a perfect rotation and getting #1 without high ilvl

[storm monolith]

oh oh speaking of that opening setup. so because you'll almost always have the talent that gives you 6 combo points, do you still use finishers at 5, or is wasting combo points worth the additional one combo point effect?

[oak tangle]

you sire should read the guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[drifting cloud]

you need to go 3 steps back to basics instead of looking at cast sequences on logs

[nova flax]

thats ok i have some

[balmy condor]

yeh typically the "all ability" stuff ain't autos, but during shadowlands they added auto modifiers to specs so they can tune both, and now they sometimes hit both, but still doesn't include trinkets and stuff

[drifting cloud]

I want 0.3% from 2p whispyr

make it happen

that and 3 sockets and ill be stronger than before the nerf

[storm monolith]

oh god no

whispyr is the wowhead editor for ass rogue

it's painful that i didn't see this the past 40 times i've been on the page

[drifting cloud]

thats a different whispyr

all the similarities are purely coincidental

[west swallow]

Yeah they have completely different pictures

[storm monolith]

understood

also i was reading that evasion helps prevent certain charge mechanics. does that include razan?

[oak tangle]

you are reading a rollercoaster of topics

[arctic socket]

That whispyr is a girl

We are stuck with @balmy condor

[hexed willow]

how do I get Caustic Splatter to cleave better on Igira?

[oak tangle]

tell your team to stack

[hexed willow]

we're doing 3 groups with 2 in each, pretty close to the boss

[balmy condor]

panik

[hexed willow]

like its basically on top of the boss, people have to run through

[summer ether]

How am I supposed to compensate for chain pulls because of spiteful?

[hexed willow]

yet it isn't cleaving ><

[balmy condor]

rupture snipe them for energy, then just move on and caustic the next pack

uptime on your damage is good

[summer ether]

pog

[arctic socket]

The token limit is 15

[storm monolith]

anyone have the link for the guide on how to sim? i've got raidbots pulled up but idk how to compare two pieces of individual gear, not entire gearsets

[arctic socket]

Btw

[oak tangle]

gearsets can be a singular item

so if you add only 1 item to it, and one item to another gear set that's what you want

[storm monolith]

i've figured it out thanks for that

god damnit

i could get the set piece and increase damage by 3.3%

or the trinket for 6.2%

but my monkey brain wants the damn set piece T>T

.........

i can just do mythics and transform a piece into set right? riiiiight? i don't NEED it from the vault

surely

i mean it's 3.3% vs 6.2%, no brainer

[oak tangle]

idk if you mean my one but i have one

[spiral talon]

Any tips for what trinket is better I currently have both at normal ilvl, I currently have time glass and brand equipped

[oak tangle]

my only tip is:

windows key > "snipping tool"

but signet is more dps

[midnight atlas]

augury is bad

[harsh anchor]

[oak tangle]

white is 483, blue is 489

[frozen iris]

How are ppl hitting 340k on g, mythic narlroot. Like what?

[lyric solar]

padding adds

[keen spruce]

spatter go brrr

[gaunt moat]

When you need signet brand, but you're progressing on the boss that drops it

[junior yoke]

I'm so excited tto share with you my 3 gigashit loots of the vault

gona open it right noe

[keen spruce]

I had the best alt vaults

then just dookey on main

[junior yoke]

well I'm week after week having shit loot

[oak tangle]

vault is purely a means to get pieces to catalyse for me

[junior yoke]

AAfter 15 EB this week

[gaunt moat]

Let's crack this vault

[junior yoke]

what do you think my loot will be?

2 gloves 1 ring? smtth like that

[gaunt moat]

looking for hourglass 🙏🏻

[oak tangle]

why're people hype on hourglass?

what happened

[frozen iris]

Cause its a good trinket

[oak tangle]

yeah but why do people want it over others

[thin portal]

why does my vers ring sim higher than mastery ring lol

[royal lantern]

cus its good...?

[junior yoke]

jajhjajhahah oh shit

[frozen iris]

its the best trinket outside of single target

[oak tangle]

:/

[frozen iris]

not everybody has signet and branch

[junior yoke]

XDDDDDD

i don't have any

[frozen iris]

or*

[oak tangle]

so why not hope for singet / branch in your vault

[junior yoke]

well it's normal I guess, I don't raid

[oak tangle]

instead of sandglass

[thin portal]

Cataclysmic?

[frozen iris]

because sandglass is a good trinket. Not much else.

[thin portal]

I just vendored my Cataclysmic

[gaunt moat]

cause i'm using heroic hourglass. i hate branch and i will never use it.
and i can only get heroic signet.

[oak tangle]

right, but we're talking what you WANT from vault

[thin portal]

I mean DE'd it

[junior yoke]

guys I'm scared

[oak tangle]

so it's not that sandglass is all that good, just a stubborn desire to not use branch

[gaunt moat]

hard choices, good choices.
need both myth shoulders and chest.
ring is also pretty nice.
taking shoulders will require less aspect crests.

[junior yoke]

well u do raid stuff

I'll only have my 3 bottom

[frozen iris]

... I guess?

[junior yoke]

but your 3 bottom is... uf

[keen spruce]

I took that exact chest piece in the same vault slot at the same ilvl in my vault

[gaunt moat]

Maybe we're brothers

[junior yoke]

if I do loott tthat chest I quit playing

[thin portal]

What trinket would you choose?

[junior yoke]

branch XDD

[thin portal]

I currently have bandoliers and Hourglass

[frozen iris]

branch if you dont have it

then branch

[junior yoke]

and what after?

[oak tangle]

take the shoulders, because if as you say you can't get mythic signet, you also arent getting mythic shoulders

[junior yoke]

branch?

[gaunt moat]

which boss drops chest?

[oak tangle]

nymue

[gaunt moat]

ah. maybe i wait with vault then

see if they give me chest

[keen spruce]

yeah my 5 other choices were a mix of worse or identical gear to what i was already wearing

[oak tangle]

shoulder can also drop from council

[clever perch]

does someone here know how to sim like if you had another stats on ur crafted items?

[keen spruce]

DHs use the shoulders for off set

[clever perch]

im having some troubles

[keen spruce]

so we never get it

the council ones

[clever perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tAMzQG1snBWrJJsqQkXvmH xD

[keen spruce]

well I'll never get it

cuz we have 4 DHs

[gaunt moat]

shouldrs drop from council AND smolderon?

[keen spruce]

Off set shoulders

for catalyst

[gaunt moat]

ahh right

[oak tangle]

tier from smold, catalyse from council

[gaunt moat]

yeah but only 1 catlyst charge

[junior yoke]

I'll open my vaultt

u guys rdy?

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

any other bosses drops off-set chest?

[oak tangle]

larodar

[keen spruce]

larry drops a leather dress

[junior yoke]

was worth itt 15 ebs I got it!

[gaunt moat]

yeah so defintely sit on vault angle until after raid

[junior yoke]

oh wait no, that's the necklace xd............

[keen spruce]

good neck tho

[oak tangle]

horrores infinitos

[junior yoke]

I already have it

[keen spruce]

basically just the dungeon version of the tindral neck

oh f

[oak tangle]

oh i didnt mean take the legs, i just read it as infinite horror

[junior yoke]

I already ttook the legs

u fooled me

nah I'm picking ttier

I already haave it but 463

[oak tangle]

myth track neck tho

[junior yoke]

tier is a higher upgrade for me

[oak tangle]

just drop a heroic shoulder and catalyse it

if you're like me and not touching mythic raid, you get 1 chance at a mythic track item a week

[junior yoke]

But we didn't have a charge today right?

or did we?

[oak tangle]

infinite shots at heroic

we didnt

[junior yoke]

yeah but what u say makes sense actually..

have looted this shit like 4 times

on my 1000000 EBs runs

ya okay I'll pick neck

[uncut dragon]

So I've been lucky with trinkets. I have a 483 witherbark and a 476 signet band. I just got a Pip'

[junior yoke]

I'll block this guy

[uncut dragon]

s friendship badge I can upgrade to 483, it sims pretty well in dungeon slice?

but not as well in single target

[frozen iris]

I have all 4 bis trinkets. 489 sandglass\

[uncut dragon]

BUt the signet band does a very respectable chunk of damage

[cerulean nest]

yo doing the dragons on tindral is sick af

[gaunt moat]

@oak tangle @keen spruce Sims shows even if i take the best piece (chest) it's like 800dps
socket would be worth more

[keen spruce]

my logic is that

I can always get a socket

might as well get all of the myth track asap

[gaunt moat]

yeah, i would take those before socket, cause i'm noit guranteed to get chest in the future

and it also gives stamina

and bigger number for when applying to groups

[keen spruce]

when is someone gonna come out with a raidbots addon that puts out a 5m patchwerk sim

for people applying to your group

in lfg

[empty lava]

holy bonkers

dont ban me

[gaunt moat]

i meant ilvl number :x

[keen spruce]

ye but it got me thinkin

I woulda thought that something like that already exists

probably not very performant

[keen spruce]

[cerulean nest]

Is the play to pop Blind on the third root set in p1 on Tindral?

while second flying group is going up?

[oak tangle]

i believe that rio has a place where you can see someones sim

or rather you can sim them

i'm torn between the desire to not play the game right now, and to push my io cause im in realm 100

[grim tangle]

0.6% wipe on tindral on last night of raid before 2 weeks holiday break, I blame the 3% sin rogue nerf.

[oak tangle]

you'd be 0.4% off

[naive yarrow]

quick question - after reading the guides. If rupture drops off during Kingsbane, assuming caustic spatter not required, is it worth refreshing rupture during kingsbane, or is it better to get the extra envenoms in and refresh rupture after cds finish?

[frozen iris]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kg2xYctjvdCDa8Nw#fight=26&type=damage-done anybody want to take a look at my logs. I dont know how to make it its own thread.

[low quartz]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[frozen iris]

And should i ever look at ilvl?

parses

[oak tangle]

ilvl parses only mean so much in context

at high ilvl it can either be useful to know if you're performing significantly worse than peers (still getting oranges) or it can be fight variance in externals etc

[strange fulcrum]

does anyone have a good assassin build to take down the mage tower?

[low quartz]

how does pip's trinket work? Just got it - which stat should I go for and how do I get it

[oak tangle]

i think it just happens

[torn atlas]

If you're not enjoying the push, surely it's not worth.

[oak tangle]

true, it's more that i haven't tried, but now we've got aotc down and we're on a 2 week break over holidays i could push keys, or i could play SoD

or even poe

[torn atlas]

We only just hit hc fyrakk on Monday and I get the feeling we'll be there for quiet some time haha

[oak tangle]

it's actually suprisingly easy

smolderon way harder

[torn atlas]

Half the raid team pushing 23s yet we can't even coordinate fire lines.

[oak tangle]

this was our raids prog

[woeful wigeon]

how do we propre sim for m+ ?

[boreal raven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior yoke]

Nuts

[oak tangle]

our rl swapped off aug to dk for slappy hands p2 adds

and it melted

[formal juniper]

At what point during the opener is ideal to pop witherbark's? I have been popping it the same time as deathmark but I feel like its possible to pop after the first garrote from stealth and maintain the mastery buff through the end of kb/dm. Unsure what timing is best

[spice spire]

Dm

1/1/7

[woeful wigeon]

1/1/9

they changed the trink bro

[torn atlas]

We 1 shot smoulder, but 10 fyrakk wipes on first night and made it into p2 maybe 2 pulls?

[spice spire]

Ideal is actually 1/1/9 but that’s not realistic

[oak tangle]

1/hmmm/????

that's how i do

[spice spire]

They didn’t

[woeful wigeon]

sim 1/3/9 is not bad also

[spice spire]

It’s always been 1/x/9. But that’s not a realistic request, 1/1/7 has also been too hard for some

And that’s easy mode

[unreal imp]

Disappointing vault made up for with better than expected end of dungeon drop:

[oak tangle]

nice

[spice spire]

🫡

[torn atlas]

juicy little avoidance

[woeful wigeon]

nice extra avoidance is mmm

i got 13%avoid and 18% leech XD lovely

[oak tangle]

but back to this, if you can get to p3 and have 4/5 people who know what they're doing it's a kill. we had one seed fail and still got it

i shat the bed and just did mechanics on our kill got a sadge 46 parse but a kill is a kill

some people dropping tornados in melee

[torn atlas]

we did have a healer away for the night and one of the dps filling in off spec so might make a bit of differnce with full team too

[oak tangle]

damn i cant find the gif of the dog having 'nam flashbacks

but that was me dodging tornados

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-cats-flashback-gif-10819307

[junior yoke]

EB runs

[junior yoke]

Bolstering week tank pulling 30 mobs be like:

After wipe: u guys know kicks?

[torn atlas]

big push big pulls

[midnight atlas]

crippling kite

[junior yoke]

Imagine having 15 kicks per class

Hilarious

[midnight atlas]

pyromancer oneshotting everyone with 4 bolstering stacks

[junior yoke]

HAHAHAHAH

I’ve seen that

[lucid rain]

timewalking is wild

[junior yoke]

Heroic loot this week?

[lucid rain]

no, normal

[junior yoke]

Or is it

Oh…

[lucid rain]

heroic is mythic dungeon week

[junior yoke]

Okay xd

[oak tangle]

it was about right here that my raid lead goes "what's happened to memz" with slight panic cause i've got the last seed

[covert folio]

how hard/how long is it to learn assas

[lucid rain]

oh, I just realized that you get a hero item from the tw raid box

[idle radish]

this is giga bis breakdown for pig boss on waycrest ye?

[lucid rain]

gotta do tw black temple for that

[storm forum]

I actually have no idea how to answer this. Current Assassination is like the past 5 expansions crammed into one. I learned all of those pretty easily, but I don't feel like I learned how to play the current one, I just sort of know cause it's like the past ones, but more complicated cause its all together.

[lucid rain]

practise your kingsbane window until you have it perfect and the spec plays itself

[oak tangle]

yeah, the spec can be boiled down to a series of checks for what to do next, there isn't really any proc based gameplay

[storm forum]

yeah our 1 proc doesnt change anything rotationally huh

[oak tangle]

maintain dots, follow the kb windows properly each minute

the "hardest" part is understanding pooling

but to simplify it, we do not have to press everything on the gcd. as energy and combo points are what caps our damage

[void mesa]

There's also CD management, like when to hold vs send in regards to lust timings, execute window, fight time

[spice spire]

Me no hold me just send

[oak tangle]

for the most part, all fights are send on rip

the nuance is do you shorten opener for (tindral / larodar)

but that's just pad damage

kinda

[forest oasis]

when u sim with a branch, does the sim pick up the orbs at perfect times?

[oak tangle]

yes

[spice spire]

No

But it does it at good enough times

[storm forum]

My point still stands. I feel like I learned how to pool in Legion. Learned how to do big openers in BFA. Learned about CD stacking/holding in SL. And now I'm just putting it all together.

[oak tangle]

it doesn't?

[spice spire]

No

[oak tangle]

or does it do it at human time

[spice spire]

It does it at realistic times

You absolutely can do ideal

[forest oasis]

just got ashes from vault that sims lower than my branch, gonna take it anyway i think cause i cant pick up orbs perfectly

[spice spire]

But it’s a tight squeeze

[oak tangle]

i'd call human time perfect XD

it's not

[storm forum]

1/1/9 is like <1% better iirc

[spice spire]

And the loss from@tucking it up is way worse than having a slightly less ideal time

Yeah

[storm forum]

but 0.X% is 0.X%

[real stirrup]

looks like monk is back

[storm forum]

if thats worth to you

[oak tangle]

they'll get the buffs recinded because they aren't allowed to be good at single target

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m 100% going 1/1/7 when I branch

[oak tangle]

i don't even care what you will or were gonna type, stabghetti is a great name

[cobalt quest]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cerulean nest]

after getting next week's crests the only thing I need out of vault are max dagger/branch/neck

we gamin

[oak tangle]

can i have like half your gear

[cerulean nest]

open trade yeah

[torpid sparrow]

i came bk last friday after a 5 months break , if i m gonna do m+ mainly and some hm/early mm boss, what is the safest stats to get on the crafted gear? i had crit/vers on everything from s2 since i was sub.i was planing to go crit/mastery

[oak tangle]

how much of mythic is puggable

[clever perch]

Which talent would u say is most important in m+ scenario, improved poisons or dashing scoundrel?

[forest oasis]

the weekly timewalking thing doesnt give heroic loot right?

[somber sparrow]

dashing scoundrel

[clever perch]

ty ❤️

[knotty vapor]

there's no like... sandbox mode that lets me reset my cds to practice easier right

because that sure would be nice

[clever perch]

do you really think they care about us in that terms kekw

[knotty vapor]

does deathmark double up kingsbane as well

the wording makes it sound like it would

[cunning geyser]

how much oif a hassle is branch? just got 489 in vault but also got My'das and not hjaving to catch orbs seems nice

[clever perch]

my'das if u play outlaw, branch if u play assa

[knotty vapor]

catching the orbs is honestly super easy

they always follow you

[clever perch]

dont take my'das for assa

[cunning geyser]

cool cool. Will grab branch

[eternal vortex]

is there a way to sim embellishments?

[clever perch]

ye

gear compare

[waxen oyster]

branch is only mildly cursed

on tindral

[knotty vapor]

my alternative is porcelain crab and my'das sims higher for me

so I run that with branch

at least till I can get pips or something

[waxen oyster]

pips overhyped

[knotty vapor]

i like consistency and not having to remember another button

[waxen oyster]

i mean

sandglass is very good too

[balmy condor]

No, that would be a crazy double dip, since poisons are doubled and directly contribute to the strength of kingsbane

[knotty vapor]

gah unfortunate. I was hoping since kingsbane is worded as a "lethal poison"

[waxen oyster]

good second trinket depends on stats

[balmy condor]

Yeah weapon poison and lethal poison are very closely worded for sure

[waxen oyster]

if you had low vers robot would prob want ember from brh

[knotty vapor]

actually deathmark specifically says lethal poison

[oak tangle]

kb is called a lethal poison?

[knotty vapor]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[oak tangle]

fair shout

[balmy condor]

Deathmarks wording should say weapon poison

[knotty vapor]

yeah it should

[balmy condor]

And not lethal poison

[cunning geyser]

the burst if that got doubled though

[balmy condor]

But the terminology of “lethal poison” is used as a subset of weapon poison

Weird wording

But world of Warcraft tooltips

What can you do

[knotty vapor]

I kinda assumed it wouldn't since the opener leaves virtually zero room for deathmark to be up during the final tick of kingsbane

[oak tangle]

nerf kb by another 25% but make it work like that

[knotty vapor]

and if it did that'd be prioritized

[balmy condor]

That wouldn’t be enough

[knotty vapor]

I dont think we need even more damage loaded into our cd phase

it already feels like shit between bursts lol

[waxen oyster]

idk whats wrong with that

rogue being a burst spec is fine

[oak tangle]

i just want old sustain rogue back

i dont wanna rely on pi

[knotty vapor]

yeah...

[waxen oyster]

that exists

its called outlaw

[oak tangle]

outlaw is not a spec

[knotty vapor]

I hate watching my dps fall to nothing in the last 10 seconds before cds up

[waxen oyster]

should have seen wod sub

you did damage for 10secs

then waited another 50

for cds to be back

[knotty vapor]

thank god I quit wod lmao

[waxen oyster]

[cunning geyser]

wod sub was fun tbh

[waxen oyster]

it was

but that was definition of burst spec

[neat plank]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cunning geyser]

and being NE was so broken as you could use meld to renew find weakness

[waxen oyster]

any other rogue spec besides outlaw being a sustained damage spec

feels weird

personally

[oak tangle]

idk i'd think the dot spec probably makes sense to be sustained

[knotty vapor]

I could never get into outlaw...

i miss having cool swords, but I dont like rtb

[waxen oyster]

its prob the hardest its ever been

due to fast reaction

but rtb isnt a big deal

[knotty vapor]

dont u need to spam reroll it to get the right buffs or something

idk I haven't read into it in a long time

[waxen oyster]

no

[cunning geyser]

you can't they cahnge d it

[waxen oyster]

it has a cd

[knotty vapor]

oh fr?

huh

[cunning geyser]

so you get a bad roll you just gotta stick with it

[waxen oyster]

and tierset gives you basically 3 buffs minimum

at start

[knotty vapor]

where does the difficulty come from? Not sure what you mean by fast reaction

[cunning geyser]

click the shiny buttons before you get another proc and waste it

[waxen oyster]

you have to press things almost ommediately

[knotty vapor]

damn...

thats my favorite way to play tbh

maybe I'll give it a shot

[waxen oyster]

its like 90% adrenaline rush uptime?

with playing proper

[knotty vapor]

wow

thats actually wild

[cunning geyser]

my wrists appreciate assa

[waxen oyster]

you’re screwed by downtime

same with sub tbh

[knotty vapor]

I find my dps super low as assass and I can't figure out why, I've been following the guide to a T and practicing a ton

[cunning geyser]

sub feels horrible this patch

[knotty vapor]

shit got me sad

[cunning geyser]

loved it in s1

[waxen oyster]

idk i found sub cringe in s1

[strange bronze]

I miss S2 sub

[waxen oyster]

so few qol

one step

i hate gloomblade spam

[cunning geyser]

oh I hate backstab xD

[knotty vapor]

double step is god tier, I dont think I can ever give it up

[waxen oyster]

sub cd timings are just

super variable now

with shadowdust

[cunning geyser]

the whole randomly having full cp for 3 finishers in a row screws with my brain

[waxen oyster]

that happened with sepulcher set too

actually that was worse since you had 0 control over it

[strange python]

Im looking for Trade Buddy for timestrike dagger i pay for it
Dm me for more

[distant plinth]

OH MY GOD WE MADE IT

[strange python]

Cg man

[waxen oyster]

is that double nick

[tawny geyser]

Okay...Raidbots is busted.
I just simmed a 2 exactly the same chests, one is 483 other is 489.
However, it says that 483 is better.

I also just got a 489 Ring with Crit+Mastery and it's telling me that a 476 Haste+Verse ring is better.

[oak tangle]

link sim sir

[balmy condor]

I'm guessing enchant missing

I'd put money on it in fact

[tawny geyser]

Running a new one now and then I'll send here.

[cursive owl]

good morning

[forest oasis]

got a 483 branch rn, am i trolling if i replace it with ashes cause im too dumb to time branch orbs properly?

[cursive owl]

no

i thought so also

its realy easy to time them,

[rain berry]

is counterweight a decent trinket?

XD

[cursive owl]

dogsht :3

chestpiece or belt ?

[tawny geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sQZCTS9ri8zwRqZv6h6SPC
Okay now it's better, but it's still telling me that the 489 crit mastery ring isnt good.

[real stirrup]

sim

[cursive owl]

crit mastery isnt always the bis stats , we are relativley equal to any stat, thats why it say it i gues. :3 pick your poison

[cursive owl]

we did , and bloodmallet did also , counterweight is far far behind from other trinkets u can get , whispyr, whispyr daddy, aot , and many others agreed :3

but in any case sim it is always an option yes

[real stirrup]

you said chestpiece or belt no?

[simple niche]

Does the bis gear from the spreadsheet change alot if i use ashes instead of Branch? Or anyone has a bis gear sim for ashes?

[cursive owl]

belt is better in that case, but chestpiece also has possibility of catalyst 😒

[cursive owl]

ashes and branch are the 2 best trinkets we can get, "sim based"

[cursive owl]

u tagged me on the dogsht commentary i was confused now ye xD

[shy pecan]

I mean, it's going to change if you're using ashes over branch. Don't worry about the bis list unless you're clearing mythic fyrakk and have full access to all the mythic pieces.

Just sim everything otherwise and trust that.

[lucid rain]

only thing to keep in mind is that if you run branch, the sim is going to dislike mastery gear due to dr

so if you're planning to use ashes

don't throw away mastery upgrades

[simple niche]

Alrdy noticed that mastery becomes way more desired

Just thought there maybe a bis list so i can Focus on specific items out of vault that would be extremly good in a specific combination with different items

[lucid rain]

when in doubt, take anything that doesn't have vers on it

[simple niche]

Not alot of clear Upgrades left except last 3 myth

[lucid rain]

though you should sim anyway

[tawny geyser]

Well I've got only two options and both options are not good based on sim..

[oak tangle]

i'm so confused

why do people sim like 10-15k lower than me with higher ilvl

[balmy condor]

I'm confused too

[oak tangle]

oh he simming with caustic

[blazing jewel]

how many hours until we can meme post again

[balmy condor]

bis list so i can Focusis a skin-crawling sentence by the way, that is not how bis gear works and it is a generally awful idea to try and base your gear around a bis list. I don't have enough words in the english language to warn and try and discourage you against doing this

[oak tangle]

i got one but it's french (i think) non

[cursive owl]

[sweet shore]

Bis list is based around the highest ilvl you can get everything at which is extremely unrealistic

[simple niche]

Why shouldnt i try to aquire the best combination of items? I mean top gear sim wont tell me which neck+ring+trinket combination will work best

[shy pecan]

Why won't it tell you what's best?

[simple niche]

Too much combinations, alrdy tried

[fallen forge]

[tawny geyser]

I'm also confused on why a 489 Ring is better than 476 ring, but okay I guess.

[shy pecan]

[oak tangle]

unironically this is why you shouldnt aim for a bis list

bis list is a house of cards type ordeal. where they all together are bis, but you replace one item at the bottom with something else and suddenly the entire house falls down and needs to be rebuilt with different parts

[sweet shore]

^ some people really don’t understand this

[balmy condor]

because the "best combination" you're looking at is only the "best" when you have all of the other pieces around it. Like every bis list made last patch had the 450 very rare ring from echo as #1 ring. But realistically no one ran it, and it simmed as a downgrade for plenty of people, because it just doesn't add up that way. If you could chase all the items at once like a tournament realm, bis lists work. But that's not how the game works. You're looking at a "Best" list of 14 items that only works as a complete picture of 14 items. And then trying to chase the items one at a time. The math just doesn't add up for that

Realistically you get as close as possible to bis within reason, and then gems/enchants can "fix" the stats as the final minmax

and the variability you can add through gems and enchants is more than enough to steer to near perfection

All of that to mean that trying to cherry pick items off a bis list

is actual stupidity

[wild lion]

after progress first vault :(

[sweet shore]

It’s even dumber when we utilize pretty much every stat well

[balmy condor]

[oak tangle]

not to mention this bis list is made up of some items for M+ which are not target farmable because you have to have them drop from the vault

[sweet shore]

Yup IE nick of time

It might be the best at 489 but if you have a mythic dagger from raid just use it instead

[simple niche]

Thats pure theory, because Most of the gear is alrdy fix by the fast we using set, weps and crafted items with fix valúes on them. The Rest of the items like rings neck trinkets have mostly completly different stat Budgets on them and wouldn‘t sim that differentes on 483 or 489. so why not aim for these items

[oak tangle]

timestrike and trinkets are the closest things to exceptions to the bis list crap we're talking about

[balmy condor]

aight you're beyond help

do whatever you want

[sweet shore]

Well if you’re going off pure theory outlaw sims higher why don’t we all just play that cause in theory it’s BiS

[balmy condor]

if after a long explaination from multiple people and a theorycrafter who literally does this as a job

and you refuse to get it

[blazing jewel]

I thought bro was shitposting lmfao

[balmy condor]

I can lead a horse to water

but I can't drown it

dude is neck deep in a lake and refuses to drink

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure you can

You are our powerful leader

[sweet shore]

I’d rather just cheer it on in background

[oak tangle]

if i had raid bots premium i would link a sim where a 6 ilvl upgrade beats out secondary stats on an item, but i dont so i won't

[balmy condor]

aight now you

link sim

[sweet shore]

Lmao

[tawny geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uuUAuR8WYQrzW7g2YdUYSm

[balmy condor]

and whats the issue with this?

[tawny geyser]

Not a good one wait

Well check my rings. Vault dropped a 489 one, but it doesnt even count it as an option 🙂

I didnt use it in this sim tho

[sharp lily]

What are the stats on the ring?

[tawny geyser]

I'm not chasing any BiS bullshit btw...I just want to know why higher ilvl isn't simming higher. That's all.

[sweet shore]

For rings ilvl doesn’t matter as much

[oak tangle]

in ring's case it's a bit more nuanced as agility isnt a stat

[grim jay]

Did you add enchants to the sim?

[sweet shore]

Cause it’s all secondary stats

[tawny geyser]

I did yeah, but still 476 haste verse is better 😂

[sweet shore]

So they’re yeah nuanced

[balmy condor]

yeah seems reasonable https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4k6tYM84JQ6SM4YEGg8zz2

you have a ton of crit and mast

so this thing isn't looking great

[oak tangle]

yo can you touch uo my sim

so i get bigger number

[balmy condor]

that might be with pi actually

hold on tho

we can fix this

[tawny geyser]

How did you get that DPS now on sim?

[balmy condor]

cause I added pi

cause I get pi

and so I sim with it

[tawny geyser]

Oh I see

[balmy condor]

I can turn it off

[tawny geyser]

Yeah but look now its again telling different gems on neck

[balmy condor]

yeah I got rid of it

cause I can't be fucked

simming 900000 gem combos

I'm simming vers combos though should show the ring as a slight gain

[quick idol]

For double on use trinkets, what's the CD when you press the first one on the second one? It used to be 30s but iirc it got changed to 20. Am i right?

[tawny geyser]

I still didnt take the item from Vault, but if rings shows to be better I'll go ring, if not I'll go with chest upgrade.

[oak tangle]

i thought so, but apparently still 30. unsure why i thought the same

[quick idol]

damn

For what reason did i though it was 20

[grim jay]

Think it depends on trinket sometimes aswell. But dw it sucks anyways

[oak tangle]

i'm thinking it was a bomb dispenser tihng

[quick idol]

Bomb was 10?

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1kQduf5Enarg9FuCezFRVw

aight that will take a while

[tacit lintel]

whats better from vault between Shoulders Mythic and Legs Mythic?

[balmy condor]

but it SHOULD be correct

I'll keep an eye on it

[tawny geyser]

Alright thanks! ❤️

[drifting cloud]

but did you click every neck in his bags

and every combo of crafted

[sweet shore]

Sim it lol

[balmy condor]

I did a bunch of crafted combos and added gem sockets to the gv neck

since uh

that wasn't there

[oak tangle]

i'm gonna do a gear compare with 2 mythic nicks to make myself think of what could have been

[sweet shore]

We like the stats off the shoulders a little bit more but if you have like no vers then the results might change

[lofty junco]

raidbots is weird. i only have 1 thing from vault to sim and it takes like half a hour to sim https://i.imgur.com/v58cDHS.png

[tacit lintel]

i can do it for sure, but i can chase Legs from Larodar (already killed) or Shoulders from Council

[tawny geyser]

Yeah I need to learn how to use raidbot, like adding 3 gems to a neck or adding PI.

[grim jay]

Maybe you still had enchants and gems selected

[balmy condor]

that's a gem sim

for sure

[lofty junco]

but wouldn't i want to get the sim with ring enchants?

[sweet shore]

Yeah it’s a really redundant answer I know but it’s the only way to really see based on your gear/set up

[oak tangle]

i petty the fools who constantly swap gems / enchants

[grim jay]

Gotta chase the small gains

[oak tangle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1uE5sVotqoyzA9haGNBs34

[tacit lintel]

another point is that i will play Sub on Smolderon, dunno

[oak tangle]

yooooo 2.6% bois

now what are my odds of getting 2 mythic nicks in the next 2 weeks

[icy acorn]

take shoulders if youre nowhere near killing mythic smolderon

imo

or just get council shoulders and use catalyst idk

[sharp lily]

Gotta love a 483 Hourglass simming higher than a 489 pips or Brand

[tacit lintel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gnVSxq5jngG7QyRHayQpfk

[grim jay]

Thats what stats do to you

[tacit lintel]

Legs are better :S

[grim jay]

Ilvl of the shoulders and legs you currently use?

[tacit lintel]

483 both

[icy acorn]

i mean, theoretically the legs are easier to obtain outside of vault

if not using a catalyst that is

if you got a spare one just take whatever and ask nicely for a catalyst item lol

or set token

[tacit lintel]

its 300 dps difference and i can go for the safe pick (shoulders) BUT Legs from vault are already tier and 486 (so i can use more aspects this week)

[cursive owl]

imagine a 467 ring is better than a 486 one, cause it has only less stamina but better stat value KEKW

[grim jay]

Thats how it was most of the time and for most classes

[cursive owl]

yeh

thats why i think bis list is just a showoff dogsht stuff

[grim jay]

They have their purpose

They just arent something you blindly chase

And you always gotta sim it for yourself

[oak tangle]

bis list is a relic from a time where gear pieces were such significant upgrades that it made sense

[tawny geyser]

@balmy condor https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1kQduf5Enarg9FuCezFRVw
It's done.
I guess it's chest and a lot of gems changes.
Also 2nd Wafting?

[grim jay]

Well, I still use them for stuff where for example 2 rings sim within margin but one is better in the top profile

So I take that

[balmy condor]

yep

[tawny geyser]

Thank you again, much appreciated. 🙏

[real stirrup]

anyone seen a noticeable difference in their dps? not too sure if it's because of my double sophic to double wafting but things suck

[blazing roost]

well nerf did hurt

[subtle tundra]

why would changing enchants to something (supposedly) better hurt you

[balmy condor]

have not noticed a single thing

cannot convince me that you can feel a fucking 2.8% nerf when your rng pull to pull is a 15% swing lmao

[blazing roost]

just curious, are we still good for pi? on blood mallet unholy dk and bm hunter are better, but the question is in pure st fights like volcoros, are we still the best pi target?

[balmy condor]

no, bloodmallet shows pure st fights

[drifting cloud]

whispyr how do I compare imp. ambush vs tight spenders but I want the boss hp to start at 70

[balmy condor]

but you should sim yourself compared to your raid buddies

[drifting cloud]

😦 im stupid

[balmy condor]

how familiar are you with advanced sims

[blazing roost]

well my sim won't change a thing, raid leader sees bars on bloodmallet and puff no pi even if i top the meters

[subtle tundra]

simming for fayrakk???

[drifting cloud]

yeah ofc

on a normal sim spenders is +1k for me

[balmy condor]

if you know how to do copies on your own

you can do a copy with the talent swap

enemy=fyrakk
enemy_initial_health_percentage=70

and then paste that

under

[drifting cloud]

yeah I got that, but unfort dont know how to copy the talent swap

[balmy condor]

copy="swap"
talent=XXXX

talents*

sorry

and you just slam the wowhead talent string export

into the XXX

[subtle tundra]

I play improved ambush regardless

[drifting cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ghSbwrPtXYLHEqnRFzu1B2

[subtle tundra]

I like improved ambush more

So I play it

[balmy condor]

yeah seems reasonable

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/htzTQJy88UXonktBkewd8r

perfectly balanced for <30% hp

[drifting cloud]

hmm Ive never played it

need all the gains I can get for my poor play

[subtle tundra]

Gave up on that

60+ runs of falls

[red vine]

Hey guys i have some question and i kinda stuck here Stepbros. If i have 4 combo Points do i always spend them with envenom or do i go for 6 Points? And my Deathmark did kinda low dmg even if i have all bleedings up 😦

[strange python]

Lf lootbuddy for timestrike dagger/ DM me i pay

[fallen raven]

send on 4cp; deathmark doesn't do much damage in details, the damage listed there is its own bleed effect which is pretty small

[red vine]

Thank you Mate

[manic matrix]

gg goodnight

[lusty narwhal]

fuck branch tbh

[grim jay]

No

[merry thunder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[versed mica]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but on WoW head guide, shock build descriptor says that shiv can be used for "a little bit of extra AOE damage" along with deraging. Does that mean in M+ you don't sync 2 shivs with KB in aoe?

[balmy condor]

you can

it's kinda tricky to pull off

but generally don't want to overcap shiv charges

and make sure you always have one for end of kb

[versed mica]

Is that a "you can but you gotta pull a super gigachad gamer trick" or a "I mean it's possible"

[balmy condor]

yes

[versed mica]

Bofa?

I am digging the build for spiteful tho, demise on shades is funny

[grim jay]

What is bofa

Is that the brother of Nichole Fulltime

[versed mica]

I have no idea

[lusty narwhal]

Yes

Good but its ass to play with

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[lusty narwhal]

Bofa deez nuts

[versed mica]

Good thing you're playing ass then

[grim jay]

You can literally grab the orbs blind

Unless you refuse to do it correctly

And if you use like 0.5% brainpower, you might aswell think about when to DM/branch

[native patio]

Hi guys! I'm a new rogue player, could you please help me with some questions:

1. In m+ build (arterial precision) - should I use crimson tempest as a finisher always for 3+ targets or I should use it once and keep the dot uptime and use envenoms while single crimson tempest is up?
2. Does night elf shadow meld work in pve for extra vanish? It works in PvP but I can't combat restealth in raid or m+.

[grim jay]

CT only is a dot

So you maintain, not spam

Shadow meld is wonky, as you need to manually restealth after it to get benefits

It has more defensive value than value in restealthing, unless you wanna drop spiteful or something

[native patio]

Thanks!

[plush tusk]

you can use a macro for meld into stealth. you have to press it twice tho

[random river]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bdXY73Hh4qWA8V6m#fight=41&type=damage-done&source=156
what am I doing wrong here? I am having a really hard time identifying major flaws that are making my parse gray

[balmy condor]

yo you got me tripping, I opened the addon and the weakaura page and the method guide and none of them mentioned the auto-tricks weakaura macro. I added it to wowhead but idk where you got it from when you say "from the guide" cause I legit could not find it even mentioned anywhere

[forest oasis]

what talents you guys running on tyrannical? default m+ arterial fine or nah?

[balmy condor]

the trinket should be with kingsbane, you didn't refresh garrote from stealth in either dance (which you should do basically right after kingsbane), nor did you cast it from vanish (which you should always do as well). You used 2 tea charges (bad, only use for the last 5-6 seconds), and the vanish was too early and you missed the last tick of kingsbane

this kingsbane was depressing cause you just didn't have uptime

you repeat all the same mistakes at 2 min, but arguably even worse somehow because you're also just not casting things

the 3 min kingsbane was almost acceptable except that tea is troll

behold, the void

[lime crypt]

infinity

[random river]

holding dps so he doesn't phase 😦

[balmy condor]

you basically were not on the boss from 4:00 until 4:40 aside from refreshing a rupture, garrote, and the odd envenom

that shit

is fucking awful for your damage

you basically died for 40 seconds

the 4 min cooldowns

still dogshit, all the same things, once again

this garrote causes me physical pain

aside from not doing the cooldown sequence correctly once, you're not getting PI and your procs didn't happen to line up very well

which all is adding up

[random river]

awesome, ty for the response
should check the pi usage for a good meme too

[balmy condor]

lets see

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

wow I just threw up in my mouth

that might be the most disgusting thing I've seen

not only is it on an outlaw rogue

it's also like

not being cast

for half the fight

fantastic stuff

gkick that priest

[dapper hound]

I feel useless on m+

[plain moon]

My guild was PIing an Aug for like a week when I first joined

[keen spruce]

see, 'round these parts

we grey parse larodar

with good PIs and Augs

[frosty ocean]

first time rogue learner right here. what would be easiest to learn first? outlaw or ass? coming from frost dk/ret main

[plush tusk]

would say sin

[icy acorn]

assa

[clever imp]

yea sin is way more easier to learn from scratch

[icy acorn]

literally 3 things to know
how to kingsbane
how to pool
how to not run out of energy instantly

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor

I didn't rupture

[dapper hound]

on outlaw you need to know one thing, click procs

[keen spruce]

after the accelerated opener

[frosty ocean]

i briefly looked it up and it has a whole ass long opener and bleeds. looks a bit like feral?

[keen spruce]

and t herefor didn't have caustic

[plush tusk]

outlaw is harder to learn because of the high apm. you have not much time to think about you next action 😄

[keen spruce]

for the first adds

[icy acorn]

that opener is literally all you do all fight long

more or less

you dont have to react on procs or anything
just bot down that rotation and youre good

[plush tusk]

and sub can be brainfuck with cooldownmanagemnt with a talent which makes vanish give you other skills a 30 sec cdr

[balmy condor]

? It’s legit gar rup ambush snd how do you fuck that up hello

[plain moon]

Tell ur raid it’s because ur so ethical you refuse to pad on the first adds that insta die anyways

[balmy condor]

It’s the second gcd

[keen spruce]

idk man i'm speshul

[frosty ocean]

yeah no sub for me rn

[icy acorn]

like garrote -> ambush -> rupture -> amb -> snd is your real opener

[frosty ocean]

okay so ass and i just learn the big opener

[keen spruce]

i thought the accelerated was gar-snd-ambush-mut-env-DM-etc.etc.

[icy acorn]

then you go into the standard dm+kb rotation
when you dont have dm, you do the same without dm

[keen spruce]

then rupture soon after that

but yknow

i'm not a smat man

smart

[frosty ocean]

smert

[icy acorn]

afterwards keep 4p set active and bleeds up

[plain moon]

Laro has a diff accelerator

[frosty ocean]

ass is good to learn in m+ yea? that's mostly what i do

[keen spruce]

you're asking a fairly biased audience

that question

[icy acorn]

big true but i have to admit

it gets quite hectic sometimes

[frosty ocean]

[keen spruce]

i mean it's strong ye

[plain moon]

Usually you can drop the early rupture, but for Larodar the whole point is is caustic so you drop the envenom instead of rupture

[icy acorn]

when a large group is being pulled and youre trying to tab to your main target xd

[keen spruce]

outlaw a little more popular at higher keys

[frosty ocean]

huh i could have thought ass was just of the dots and shit living longer

[plush tusk]

hmm i thought you're talking about raid. in m+ assa is harder to learn i guess 😄

[thick briar]

ive heard this spec with 4 set on tyrannical is better than the right

[frosty ocean]

sos

[keen spruce]

assas at high keys is better than assas at low keys

cuz of things living longer

[fleet pagoda]

boys i am straight up not having a good time this week. what build are yall playin

for m+

[keen spruce]

but outlaw at high keys is arguably a tiny bit better than assas at high keys

[keen spruce]

same build as every week

[frosty ocean]

hmmge okies

thx rogue squad

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

ARGUABLY

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

I keep my shit clean

[fleet pagoda]

so cleave i think i need to play the high-bread build for 23-24's; i'm doing zero trash dps and the timings on bosses have me using DM outside of execute

[keen spruce]

[keen spruce]

I think you're over thinking it

I play arty shock every week and change nothing

send CDs on 95% of the same places

and nothing feels any different

[fleet pagoda]

i've been sending them in the situations

[plush tusk]

@frosty ocean use mouseover macros for garrote and rupture 😄 it would drive me crazy without em

[keen spruce]

I just click on nameplate

or tab

[ornate dawn]

When does Pips trinket actually sim well, fully upgraded myth track sims like a dog.. tempted not to take it in the GV today

[frosty ocean]

yooo the og tab

[frosty ocean]

thx! i will look into that for sure

[keen spruce]

I have some serious like

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

about tab targetting

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

i've become quite the tab feelycraft scientist

[fleet pagoda]

tab targetting on the Rise faction leader fight

[blazing jewel]

I press tab when hands are cold

[plush tusk]

do u use tab until you're back at your dm kb target too? xD

[frosty ocean]

gamer

[keen spruce]

well yeah it's normally a known number of tabs

cuz if your'e lookin at 5 targets

and u tab 5 times u end up on your first tar get

but if you like... angle your camera 45 degrees to one side

then only 3 are gonna get tabbed to