its in the name
#assassination
royal lantern
slim hamlet
spice spire
@royal lantern is sub irl and sin in game he’d know
oak tangle
is there any real ethical gamers out there that are de-simping to show where we stand
rustic solstice
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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Pooling Practice Tool
naive rock
@placid adder ive been carring in raid for a bit so they can deal with the switch xd
But once practiced think sub will be better, and will still be outlaw for m+?
dusk sun
So how is our fave spec doin post nerf
balmy condor
Sin is still better on fyrakk 100% and its pretty comparable to sub on tindral as well
dusk sun
Stil at work cant test
oak tangle
which spec is better at tanking the raids fps
on tindral
does sec tec on all the roots or spatter do better
dusk sun
Hey whispy how important is having nick of time for sin, for the longest time im using crafted 486’s
naive rock
@balmy condor one of my only issues with sin in prog is how squishy they are compaired to the other two specs. Dont get me wrong rogue still tanky af.
Im on Nymue in mythic, while sin feels good on that fight im curious how sub would be fore the better burst timers for the adds
oak tangle
ay yo wat
spice spire
I’m actually huhing this one
balmy condor
Hey whispy how important is having nick of time for sin, for the longest time im...
Sim yep
naive rock
i mean they are all tanky, but sub has more self healing and outlaw is just outlaw
balmy condor
Scary
oak tangle
does it have more self ehaling
obsidian mirage
hihi... first time participating in this group =d
I just got the hang of being "decent" at assa for both raid and m+.. should I consider going after outlaw? or sub?
post nerf thoughts
empty pilot
damn I already have the helm so I guess I take the wep. I goofed it
royal lantern
Sin is not that much squishier lmao
people here "assa is the most squishy out of the 3 specs" and translate it into " assa is squishy"
when its just "assa is rogue deffensives, aka near unkillabe" and "outlaw is broken af deffensive wise", and thats it 
spice spire
Nice blue bozo
forest notch
Hmm my current toxic patch piece is my belt but only viable take in my vault this week is a myth belt. Wondering if its worth using a spark to craft toxic patch bracers instead and taking the myth belt. Id essentially be eating a spark though if I do this. Thoughts? Myth Belt seems to give 1% DPS increase. if I do this
fickle viper
Any smart people that can potentially add some nuance to my sim. My brain is telling me to recraft my ring to Haste/Mastery, but sims are saying its -260 (so basically even). This is with Vers flask. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v3weEC88qvH5pRQg1ELKmn
Use-case would be Fyrakk M so a 10min fight, with not pressing stuff on CD constantly. Wondering if a smarter TC person has more nuanced thoughts.
gusty mirage
that's a lot of crests to dedicate to get a ring to 486
forest notch
well I kinda wanted Engi bracers but those arent deal breakers
keen pecan
does toxic patch scale with ilvl?
outer cairn
better than mine probably ever be
forest notch
What else can patch go on?
sharp osprey
Not really eating a spark crafted wrists are good
forest notch
wrist belt and what?
gusty mirage
does toxic patch scale with ilvl?
it does not
keen pecan
it does not
ty
gusty mirage
wrist belt and what?
any LWing piece
forest notch
ahh ok so not back then
gusty mirage
unfortunately not
balmy condor
Any smart people that can potentially add some nuance to my sim. My brain is tel...
My more nuanced thought is “doesn’t matter lmao”
outer cairn
shit i'm trying to figure out if i take a mythic cloak or mythic tier shoulders based on what else i can upgrade
forest notch
ya thats probably the play then, other option is socket but dont have a myth track piece worth spending it on yet
balmy condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/35#metric=hps&class=Rogue&boss=2708
People love forgetting that sub doesn’t play leeching poison
oak tangle
lol
oak tangle
GREEN
slim hamlet
oak tangle
BOZO
oak tangle
shiet
oak tangle
slap that vial on cd
slim hamlet
I most definitely dont on heroic
lol
That's a healer issue if I have ever seen one
oak tangle
actually, with dream carver and leech passive
what is the meta for pressing healing or getting low to leech
balmy condor
Leech passive on dreamcarver does less healing than mechanical cheat death proc lmao
slim hamlet
Slice almost tripled its usual healing
oak tangle
Leech passive on dreamcarver does less healing than mechanical cheat death proc ...
only if you're some kinda bozo that dodges mechanics
if you maximise the uptime of < 50%
balmy condor
No
slim hamlet
I personally tell my healers to not heal me unless under 20%ish hp
to get full dreamcarver leech value
balmy condor
Even if you’re a bozo that gets hit
frozen iris
Im calling it. Im getting a 483 nick of time from vault
oak tangle
that's waht it takes to be the best
royal lantern
Leech passive on dreamcarver does less healing than mechanical cheat death proc ...
ye, but wow dps players have legit 0 idea about their healthbars and think its giga big
like, how often do they think they sit under 50% LOL
balmy condor
If you’re under 50% you’re either dying
slim hamlet
that's waht it takes to be the best
balmy condor
Or you’re insta healed back up
slim hamlet
I told my healers to blacklist my frame on their bars
royal lantern
big hit->aoe heal everyone
misty holly
Leech passive on dreamcarver does less healing than mechanical cheat death proc ...
This is why you take the water walk passive, so every zone can have "special water" like Zerith Mortis did.
slim hamlet
How can u check in logs how much u are above 50% or 90% for example
I know u can look at the graph
But is there a way to tell u how much of the fight
oak tangle
resources
balmy condor
Yes but you’d need to query it
misty holly
Looks the same as my graph for Witherbark buff uptime.
pine dew
!wa
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
oak tangle
avoidance is aoe effects only i believe
or rather non single target, so like boss aura damage etc
correct me if wrong
so leech gonna do infinitely more for you than on a boss where the only damage you take is targetted abilities
storm forum
There's a spreadsheet for the raid that says what's feintable and what's affected by avoidance
I don't remember where it is though
slim hamlet
!atrophic
prisma cypress
where can i find a mechanical mob for the dagger thing?
or doesnt it need to be high level
slim hamlet
dummies
slim hamlet
royal lantern
balmy condor
I would
spice spire
Bro?
balmy condor
I’d stab all of you for a tablespoon of pancake mix
royal lantern
(I’d never stab you)
thats the nicest thing somone said to me this week
spice spire
Dog?
balmy condor
Nah with a carving knife
spice spire
balmy condor
The one your mom pulls out only for thanksgiving and Christmas and stays in a drawer separate from the other knives
That knife
brazen zodiac
I’d stab all of you for a tablespoon of pancake mix
good thing pancakes are good and i am accepting of death
pliant roost
Anyone have a weak aura where it highlights/glows when caustic spatter isn't active at all? couldn't find one on wago and struggling to make one nyslef
umbral fern
during downtime do you finish with envenom on 4 pts or do i go for 6-7
spice spire
4
umbral fern
what about refreshing rupture
same?
ive been trying to finish on at least 5 or 6 for rupture but i find myself energy starved doing that
so i assume its wrong
subtle tundra
@gusty mirage 😎
woven ruin
Does the AOE blind reach all the incorporeal targets?
high verge
What weapon poisons are BiS?
vestal wren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/988914848987508847/1184681036672663662/20...
who started this trend
thorn fjord
What is it about tyrannical that turns peoples brains off?
stable storm
you use a combination of "potions" to support team and/or heal
thorn fjord
Holy shit
vestal wren
and why did they cut out the birthday cake in the clip
stable storm
What is it about tyrannical that turns peoples brains off?
zoomer attention span
thorn fjord
It’s so annoying
merry thunder
!wa
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Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
royal lantern
What is it about tyrannical that turns peoples brains off?
most wow players are really bad at the game
like, REALLY fucking bad
m+ is a mode where you can get sucess by just throwing yourself against a wall until you get a group that does the heavy lifting for you
aka
you end up with people that suck ass
but still play on a "higher" lvl
royal tree
wow this is a rough week for the Sin Spec.
spice spire
wow this is a rough week for the Sin Spec.
Why
wide ferry
these fucking ghosts
waxen oyster
What is it about tyrannical that turns peoples brains off?
because you dont actually need to know dungeon mechanics
in fort
esp when tanks with aoe kicks/stops like prot pal or vdh exist
balmy condor
wow this is a rough week for the Sin Spec.
Yeah having to deal with idiots will do that
clever niche
what's the addon or WA that shows what abilities you've used come up in a timeline? saw it in whispyrs vid and would like it
spice spire
these fucking ghosts
Free dam
wind jungle
Ranged trying to figure out orbs on deios
Then wiping twice when you had 7 min left on timer
royal lantern
outlaw tier confirmed
nah
10.2.6 is just the end
we all die
suffering is over
except for quake, he still does log reviews
spice spire
I’m going to hit filter
slim hamlet
bold lodge
does mechanical cheat death effect actually cheat death or can you be 1 shot
royal lantern
its no CD, its just a heal when you drop low hp iirc
bold lodge
thats how the text reads, ty
restive falcon
did full opener and everything and kb barely hit even 1mil 
frozen iris
did full opener and everything and kb barely hit even 1mil <:Sadge:8848884134493...
Are you in the right talents? I was doing that and realized I was in my m+ build
restive falcon
yea full st build, i didnt pot/flask etc but even before i could rawdog over 1 mil
first pull kb did 986k, 2nd pull 1.02mil, 3rd pull 1.04mil
frozen iris
Have they ever reverted a flat damage nerf? We shall see what the effects are at raid tonight. I wasn’t doing top damage but also suck ass
That seems odd. That you can barely break 1 million. Would 3% really cause you to lose over a million damage in your kb window
restive falcon
like i said im not having wf, pi, pot/flask etc when i hit dummy but even past weeks i could hit 1mil easily, roughly between 1.2-1.8mil
weary violet
I just picked up Bandolier of Twisted Blades. Is anyone binding this to an ability? or just using it manually?
onyx swallow
(not my vault)
gusty mirage
thats one hell of a bet
imagine getting some boots
and being like well damn no socket for me
amber fossil
in a macro, is there a way to use #showtooltip with a item slot number?
knotty heron
Hey guys - I just want to confirm what I'm reading:
Ashes of Embersoul + Witherbark together = not good?
Because double on use and cant sync them?
knotty heron
How sad
What is a good m+ duo? I’m kinda swimming in trinkets right now. I have Ember, Cataclysmic, Wither, Bandolier, Coiled Serpent
gaunt sigil
Ashes is bad in m+ cause haste loss. Cata is bad cause you cant maintain stacks
Id use wither and serpent
knotty heron
Okay, that’s what I’ve been doing but wasn’t feeling confident. Thanks 🙂
misty holly
(not my vault)
Why bother doing more than 1 dungeon if nick is going to be in first slot.
carmine shore
Okay, that’s what I’ve been doing but wasn’t feeling confident. Thanks 🙂
Fairly standard M+ is "stats are better for cleave", so Pips is a pretty set-and-forget trinket equip, Branch if you're very good at the minigame, Ashes if you aren't
merry thunder
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9M3kxAD19QDB8bSqKbNTP hey guys im just wondering what i could be doing incorrect, p sure i have the rotation decently down but i cant nowhere near match my sims dps, i get around 95-105k. but im open to trying alternate rotations or something idk just anything Q_Q
runic hinge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9M3kxAD19QDB8bSqKbNTP hey guys im just w...
Are you trying on a target dummy? And do you have all the buffs in your raid?
Your sim has all buffs enabled.
If you're trying on a target dummy the sim does include some execute time which you won't have
limber lion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9M3kxAD19QDB8bSqKbNTP hey guys im just w...
This is your target dummy sim
almost 50k dps difference vs having all raid buffs, using all consumables and simming patchwork
grim jay
Ashes is bad in m+ cause haste loss. Cata is bad cause you cant maintain stacks
nah you can just run ashes in m+ for the same reason you can run it in raid over branch
limber lion
If you do around 100k in raid with all raid buffs and consumables, then you're doing something giga wrong
limber lion
That's by default when you sim patchwork
native cairn
guys what would be the ''best'' build for mythic+? I see different things on WoWhead and Icyveins
limber lion
Any of them
They all perform similarly
Pick the one you like the most
or the one that fits the week better
or the dungeon
native cairn
still learning the spec
limber lion
I play AP/KB/IC/SD in Everbloom this week, but would probs play Cleave in something like BRH
Probs start off with cleave then
so you don't need to worry about CT
native cairn
Crimson Tempest?
grim jay
yes
tawny depot
Hi guys do you know of the simplest possible talent build for m+ for a totally new rogue player? im a 2-head long term DH/Warr/ret player so this actually seems to require a brain and im finding it hard
prisma monolithBOT
native cairn
I guess cleave xd
limber lion
Hi guys do you know of the simplest possible talent build for m+ for a totally n...
Cleave
native cairn
gonna give that shit a go
glad lark
10% bleed loss without lethality does hurt though
limber lion
except Subterfuge
tawny depot
ok thank you
glad lark
you got no 10% capstone
limber lion
Yes, so what?
glad lark
just saying it hurts
glad lark
cause garotte with lethality hits a lot harder
limber lion
You don't play Lethality anywhere
Lethality is legit dead this patch
you don't play it ever
glad lark
you can if you want lol
limber lion
sure, but that's a dps loss if you do
glad lark
for a new player it might fit, that's all
limber lion
and playing sudden demise is also a dps loss compared to playing cleave
How would it fit?
That makes no sense
you don't play that anywhere ever, why would a new player play it
limber lion
You like to say things that are completely wrong and don't make sense
so yeah
Lethality legit has 0% play in the current patch
glad lark
sad, love your plater too
limber lion
Good to hear
Should just trust the theorycrafting we do and all the research behind it
glad lark
it's solid work for sure, not saying its wrong
limber lion
I would like to play Lethality personally and have tried to make it work
But unfortunately it's just completely useless atm
sweet dawn
cause garotte with lethality hits a lot harder
I think that 2% crit isn't that huge dawg
limber lion
I think that 2% crit isn't that huge dawg
It's 20% more crit damage for combo-generating abilities, like Garrote.
Kingsbane and Garrote are the main things that benefit from Lethality
sweet dawn
Oh shit true
golden wasp
what do we think about the 3% nerf to assa?
limber lion
Pins has a summary
it's whatever
still good
logs are inflated because of pi/aug
it is what it is
golden wasp
alright ty!
neat plank
do you guys press branch at the same time as deathmark? 🙂 and do you then run away from the last ball so it doesnt catch you too soon? 😛
neat plank
run in front of the boss and get cleaved? 🙂
limber lion
would not recommend
neat plank
i was thinking of going a few steps back to pop trinket, pick up the 2 front balls and then i wouldnt have to kite the last one hopefully
glad lark
its a solid pick, slight sim trap
gaunt sigil
No amp is weirdge
limber lion
its a solid pick, slight sim trap
Branch is? Why?
limber lion
i was thinking of going a few steps back to pop trinket, pick up the 2 front bal...
I mean the balls are pretty slow, you don't have to do too much running.
Just pick up 2 and wait around where you picked up the second one, that's about it
glad lark
well you'ld need to play it perfectly everytime to get the maximum value on dps sim, which you probably won't
so it's a bit of a sim trap
limber lion
well you'ld need to play it perfectly everytime to get the maximum value on dps ...
But that's not true though
You can do anything between 6-9s
there's a 4s window where you can pick up the third ball
and get the maximum value
also Branch sims 10k more than anything else (except for Ashes)
even if it was a sim bait, it wouldn't fluctuate the sim by that much
even if you pick up all the balls instantly, it's still better than anything else in the game
spice spire
Sim doesn’t even play it perfectly
spice spire
Sim does the easiest and most reasonable version of it
gaunt sigil
Personally I think branch is way easier than ashes cause I can just macro it into DM
then do a little Dance Dance Revolution
And bam
big damage
limber lion
We literally chose 1/1/7 together becasue it makes the most sense and it's the most plausible for most players
spice spire
Ngl
runic hinge
I have a sound notification for ashes so it's pretty not bad
spice spire
In fact
runic hinge
I should use branch tho
spice spire
One might argue it undersims as a result
spice spear
sup guys, i'm kind of ''new'' to wow and I was playing as a mistweaver (monk), now I'm thinking about leveling up a rogue. Will the combo mechanic be a problem?
limber lion
No
spice spire
sup guys, i'm kind of ''new'' to wow and I was playing as a mistweaver (monk), n...
Combo points? Nah
limber lion
Combo Points is just a different word for Chi
spice spear
Combo Points is just a different word for Chi
mistweaver use mana
spice spire
True but not all specs use chi
limber lion
oh right mistweaver
spice spire
Tanks don’t either anymore
gaunt sigil
Ive had my champ ashes since day 1 cause no branch 
limber lion
Doesn't really matter, play the one you like the most
spice spear
Doesn't really matter, play the one you like the most
that's the point, idk 💀
limber lion
Assa has ramp up which some people don't like
spice spire
Play em all
limber lion
Outlaw is just ooga booga me smash
I can see myself liking Outlaw if my hands didn't give in 20s in
spice spear
I can see myself liking Outlaw if my hands didn't give in 20s in
so outlaw is smash buttons until every single one is dead?
manic quartz
assa is mozart, outlaw is uga buga and sub is the edgy dark guy who watch women from the sahdows 😄
spice spear
looks funny tbh
limber lion
so outlaw is smash buttons until every single one is dead?
Isn't that every dps spec in the game?
glad lark
depends if you can handle higher apm, if you cant I wouldn't play outlaw thats for sure
spice spear
so outlaw is the way we go
spice spear
cool, thanks guys 🫶🏼
limber lion
gibe group pls
spice spire
Damn
crisp pine
No
spice spire
Method Cev would never get declined
limber lion
this game is literally 99% just trying to find a group in LFG
spice spire
glad lark
I get declined on 2's lmao
runic hinge
@spice spire this one's for you
shrewd crescent
how much of dps increase is the galakrond dagger?
spice spire
I’ll dm you when drunk next time
limber lion
how much of dps increase is the galakrond dagger?
depends on what kind of daggers you have on currently
could be 20k could be 500 dps
shrewd crescent
depends on what kind of daggers you have on currently
lets say the same ilvl
runic hinge
I’ll dm you when drunk next time
I'm not drinking again until February
limber lion
lets say the same ilvl
like 1k or something, idk
you can just sim it in gear compare easily
glad lark
whats your guys thoughts on 10.2.6
spice spire
It’s a patch
spice spear
It’s a patch
raven egret
My mage buddies are delighted by their new sims numbers today
indigo mulch
balmy condor
It’s a patch
Big if true
spice spire
What I’m saying
rotund crescent
so how're we feeling after the nerf? 
spice spire
3% less damage
spice spire
Is exactly how I’m feeling
rotund crescent
3% less damage
spice spire
Real
stone basin
@glacial grotto ye me too but 20k less fun tho, so i'm sticking with sin
rotund crescent
sub is simming 20k more than sin now
i wanna check mine quickly
raven egret
sub is simming 20k more than sin now
pretty sure a lot of classes and spec sim higher than Sin
glacial grotto
yeah but i aint getting PI atm either so prob not worth
spice spire
Sub also found damage today
rotund crescent
pretty sure a lot of classes and spec sim higher than Sin
we might actually be the lowest simming class now (excluding pi) with monk buffs
spice spire
We’re not
rotund crescent
who is? i havent done the calcs yet just i knew we were on the lower half without them on simulationcraft
rotund crescent
sub is simming 20k more than sin now
sub is about 10k higher for me but im not geared for it all vs sin
rotund crescent
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T31_Raid.html
its not updated yet
spice spire
MmThen
strange bronze
hard plaza
Why when i need rings freom BRH is this trinket on our loot table :sigh
stable storm
is there a weakaura that shows kingsbane damage on the !wa command?
raven egret
its not updated yet
When it is... well RIP
subtle kettle
which build do people play for tyran weeks?
raven egret
which build do people play for tyran weeks?
ive been running Cleave for two weeks now, thats my build every week 😄
rotund crescent
When it is... well RIP
Currently what our number is now times by 0.97 would equal 229,813.37 which would pretty much put us tied for last with MM Hunter since they didnt get any buffs and WW seemed to get pretty heafty ones. That being said nerfs/buffs obv change whats considered BIS so we'll see what the number actually comes out to be if any BIS change
limber lion
its not updated yet
It is updated
You can just look at the commit as well to see when it was applied
probs just forgot to change the green text or sumsum
spark rain
IS CAUSTIC SPLATTER BUGGED FOR YOU GUYS?
harsh galleon
So how we looking in raid still kings or sub ?
raven egret
IS CAUSTIC SPLATTER BUGGED FOR YOU GUYS?
How was it bugged to begin with?
spark rain
Im applying rupture and then mutilating and its just not activating
limber lion
So how we looking in raid still kings or sub ?
worst out of the 3 without pi
limber lion
Im applying rupture and then mutilating and its just not activating
do you have poisons
harsh galleon
worst out of the 3 without pi
With pi how we look
raven egret
yeah, we were never really king without PI to begin with tbh
limber lion
With pi how we look
probs equal to the others without pi
raven egret
with PI our job is to push phases and shields, and we do that real damn well
limber lion
but our appeal comes from the burst yeh
limber lion
Figured
spice spire
rotund crescent
It is updated
ahh okay. interesting. i expected windwalker to be higher. Ive been seeing them pump all day too. @spice spire mb then homie
spice spire
🫡
thorn fjord
You bullying people again? @spice spire
spice spire
Always
thorn fjord
spice spire
spark rain
so what is the better M+ build the tempered blades one or SD?
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
balmy condor
Nah they kinda all the same
limber lion
I would swap around depending on the week and the dungeon you play
Cleave feels pretty shit in Everbloom
CT/SD is dank there
balmy condor
Anything with tempered blades is more kingsbane damage, anything sudden demise is more bleed
Garnish to taste
spice spire
First victim located
Ty
formal juniper
Is it a bad idea to run witherbark's and embersoul trinket?
balmy condor
yes
raven egret
Cleave feels pretty shit in Everbloom
Uhm I like it in everbloom, personally
limber lion
Uhm I like it in everbloom, personally
Good for you I guess
If you do +25's then sure
but prior to the first boss there's not a single big mob that you can get full cds on
garry garry ct ruppie everything dead already
raven egret
thats true on any build, unfortunately
limber lion
No it's not
That's literally the point
you play SD on dungeons where you cannot benefit from KB/Spatter as much and where mobs die too quickly
The bleed build gains value the faster the mobs die
and the KB/Spatter combo gains value if you can fully blast a KB everytime it's up
manic quartz
i did my few first 25's today, holy fuck everything hurts so bad 😄
raven egret
I get all that, I just meant its true everything dies faster than one can blink on many a pull
limber lion
Yeh and that's why cleave feels bad in everbloom
because the only big mobs are the abominations before 2nd boss and the big caster boys before 3rd boss
but yeh it's all preference at the end of the day
play whatever makes your funny bits tingle
manic quartz
i kinda want to try sub in m+ at some point, gigachad sectechs 😮
raven egret
if it wasnt for shadowdust, I'd love to play sub too. But eh, Sin 4 life now
limber lion
just don't play dust
zealous summit
I was a shadowdust hater until I played it
manic quartz
yeah i hate dust also and i dont even have good reason
raven egret
I was a shadowdust hater until I played it
Oh I played it, still hate it
zealous summit
I was forced to get used to it for smoldy prog
raven egret
yeah I heard that happened to a lot. Just 4/9m myself right now, when we get there we'll see what happens
limber lion
I'd rather just bench myself than play something I don't want to play
raven egret
agreed, ngl would be tempted to gquit if I'm forced off Sin
limber lion
I hate playing the video game whenever it feels like work
zealous summit
I just like rogue at the end of the day, I'll play any spec if it really shines over the others
Sin has my heart though
dark token
raid leaders forcing you to play things is uh
In my experience it's never force it's more like polite suggestion or questioning your decision
And if you can sufficiently explain your reasoning u can keep playing what u want
raven egret
I just like rogue at the end of the day, I'll play any spec if it really shines ...
I was sub main before, but now I hate how Dust has a complete hold over the entire spec, and always will as long as it exist (DR like that is either always take or never)
balmy condor
it's a good thing I didn't ask for your experience then isn't it
zealous summit
Yeah to be fair I wasn't told "play sub or you're benched" it was more like passively suggested lol
hard plaza
"play a spec you're not as comfortable at/not as good at because warcraft logs says its better"
balmy condor
yeh ofc, it's never "play sub or you're benched"
keen spruce
It was politely suggested that i play sub, but not by my RL so I told them to chortle my fuzzy ballsack
balmy condor
it's "maybe play the spec that's higher on the stat page"
keen spruce
"but it's optimal"
keen spruce
well yeah it's also optimal that 3 of our dps don't do tank damage
but we've killed bosses without fixing that optimization too
raven egret
Yep, totally passively benched
balmy condor
but hey, they suggested it nicely or just questioned your decision right
can't help it that they just needed to bench any melee and you happened to be the one that got benched
keen spruce
why threaten to bench you when they can just skip to benching you
balmy condor
it could've been anyone
keen spruce
spice spire
it could've been anyone
balmy condor
I didn't play sub on smolderon
and they still put me on the roster
fucking bullshit
spice spire
What I’m saying dude
balmy condor
you try your best to get a bit of that quiet benching action
and then you still end up progging that pathetic fucking boss
zealous summit
you try your best to get a bit of that quiet benching action
have you tried unbinding KB?
balmy condor
have you tried unbinding KB?
can't do that, cause I need them to think that I'm not doing it on purpose, so I gotta troll prog just enough to get benched, but still get put in on the bosses after ya know
have to dip right under the level
get benched
spice spire
In on tindy’s
balmy condor
and then RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
you slam on the next boss
manic quartz
On mythic nymue does it matter in what group you are sent in the mythic add?
manic quartz
nice, do you also hold DM for KB after the intermissions? because they desync a little
true flume
Is anyone having the caustic spatter bug out. I have it selected in the talents but it's not being activated
balmy condor
nice, do you also hold DM for KB after the intermissions? because they desync a ...
you never deathmark without kingsbane so yeah, would want to hold
balmy condor
Is anyone having the caustic spatter bug out. I have it selected in the talents ...
sounds like you selected it and then didn't actually finish changing talents
cursive marsh
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
true flume
sounds like you selected it and then didn't actually finish changing talents
I selected it. Switch led to it. Switched out of it. Back into it. Still not activating
limber lion
I selected it. Switch led to it. Switched out of it. Back into it. Still not act...
Try rupturing your target first
and applying deadly poison :)
weak crescent
Whisp why do you not like smolderon ? is it the damage amps ?
limber lion
just sounds like they just haven't read the tooltip
true flume
just sounds like they just haven't read the tooltip
Brother. If you don't have anything useful to say. Don't.
limber lion
Brother. If you don't have anything useful to say. Don't.
I did though
Have you tried what I said or nah
We literally had a similar case an hour ago where someone was using instant poison instead of deadly
and that's why they weren't procing it
Or idk
maybe it's something else
true flume
I'm verifying game files. I'll check after
balmy condor
Whisp why do you not like smolderon ? is it the damage amps ?
- I stand in the line for tornados and then someone stands diagonally behind me and sends a tornado straight at me
- the wings on smolderon block a tornado
- we tank soak and someone’s heal absorb pops instantly while im still at over 600k and then we have to start running through the boss (see above)
- my fixate orb spawns on top of me and insta pops
- my fixate orb spawns in nymue’s room
- fixate orbs oops all melee edition
- fixate orbs oops all healers edition
- my intermission orbs spawn in a clump of 4, and 1 orb in nymue’s room
- we bait soaks and it goes all on melee and leaves a huge gap
- my cooldowns don’t line up on anything and the best practice is to just slam it on cooldown and have only kingsbane on intermission 1 and actually nothing on intermission 2 so now I'm a burst class that's not bursting on 3/4 intermissions for reasons
fight is just
insano cringe
visuals suck ass
balmy condor
not one mechanic isn't jank in some way
arctic socket
Use dots
balmy condor
yes
arctic socket
That’s too fancy
balmy condor
I gave a list
spice spire
It kinda auto does it
balmy condor
I could've done a numbered list too
- but
- it's
- not
- in
- any
- order
so I didn't
weak crescent
i see
spice spire
Fuck
arctic socket
I could've done a numbered list too
1. but
2. it's
3. not
4. in
5. any
6. order...
Looks more discord
weak crescent
smold theres lots of stuff that can kill you
spice spire
?
weak crescent
i just wish our cds alligned wit his damage amp
spice spire
Also seli
balmy condor
Looks more discord
what about a list
in BIG letters
balmy condor
- WITH DOTS?
- COULD BE THE MOVE
spice spire
Big if true
arctic socket
Big is not always better
balmy condor
But in general
yeh I think it's green and up
limber lion
Yep
arctic socket
I want access to big letters
spice spire
Sucks
limber lion
#unlucky
arctic socket
Guess I gotta grind to become a green name
limber lion
:(
spice spire
arctic socket
limber lion
probs needs a space
spice spire
maybe
arctic socket
probs needs a space
Wdym
spice spire
Iykyk
balmy condor
can't share the secrets of the forbidden text
arctic socket
arctic socket
balmy condor
2 weeks of work
spice spire
Honestly not a fan of so many colors, but it’s nice
arctic socket
I’m fortunate to not struggle, so I like to decorate 
sharp osprey
In keys where I play SD, should I drop Dtb or AP, or does it not really matter? Like 24+
limber lion
In keys where I play SD, should I drop Dtb or AP, or does it not really matter? ...
Kinda preference. DTB is obviously more single target damage and AP more AoE
stable storm
guys I copied the macro + weakaura from the wowhead guide for the smart tricks, when i press the macro (im next to the tank) it doesnt work
limber lion
I would probs just play DTB because it favors KB much more and that translates to single target damage and AoE damage via Spatter
But it sure is fun slamming down all bleeds on multiple mobs
and shiving once
and then they just insta-die
cobalt gyro
so is the bt dagger still fucked up or is it not worth trying to grab
spice spire
Timestrike dagger exists - so not worth
raven egret
Already started praying for my next vault to gimme one
sharp osprey
I would probs just play DTB because it favors KB much more and that translates t...
This is what I was thinking but idk if zoldyck would be better on high tyranns
limber lion
This is what I was thinking but idk if zoldyck would be better on high tyranns
I think you're overestimating Zoldyck a bit here
DTB vs Zoldyck is not even close
If you're going for single target damage, DTB is always the #1 together with KB
stable storm
ehm @balmy condor sorry for ping, but I dont think the smart tricks is working (from the guide)
a couple of friends suggested this updated one: https://wago.io/n9Sg1NLb5
cobalt gyro
Timestrike dagger exists - so not worth
figured I'd ask because I remember it being very fucked up and doing 10% damage
spice spire
🫡
balmy condor
ehm <@167090536602140682> sorry for ping, but I dont think the smart tricks is w...
Ffs
Blizzard breaking shit
stable storm
:/
balmy condor
Making me update pages I don’t update
sharp osprey
If you're going for single target damage, DTB is always the #1 together with KB
Okay that makes sense yeah I have no idea how much zoldyck is lol
balmy condor
balmy condor
Yeh
stable storm
now i pray for tomorrow vault timestrike 🙏
balmy condor
The macro and addon page is like “here’s wago.io go find something pretty”
Putting stuff on there that then breaks
Is not fun
stable storm
well it's blizzard's fault man
stable storm
aye 😦 well i found that one, but im sure theres ppl that maintain an aura like that
if u know anyone from the wowscene that does that and u trust em to update it on the article its gg
balmy condor
I ain’t even use tricks anymore I’m ngl
stable storm
im using it for some niche pulls or when tank asks
balmy condor
I had a tank ask for it, and I was like oh yeah sure no problem
And then didn’t swap
And they thanked me after the key cause aggro “is so much smoother with a misdirect”
And I said haha yeah
Tricks is a fake fucking talent
stable storm
ez placebo
tbf i only ever struggled with stealing aggro when i was hitting 1mill beacon crits on windwalker
last season
subtle tundra
thanks
quiet oar
Ok Und was soll der post jetzt?
quiet oar
Ich glaube da hat jemand die falsche Unterhaltung beschrieben
spice spire
limber lion
brave stump
balmy condor
tbf i only ever struggled with stealing aggro when i was hitting 1mill beacon cr...
I had tricks assigned on razageth platforms and the tank flamed me for not using tricks when I was, and so I returned the favor and took credit when the aggro wasn’t an issue
Regardless of tricks
Yeah surely the 5% extra aggro or whatever you get from me
That’s the deciding factor
quiet oar
Fr
balmy condor
And not you critting a shield throw
raven egret
You have throw it in the first place
Holy, never thought about that.... brilliant
atomic elk
Is it worth going 2x crafted rings with this spark?
quiet oar
Smh my head
balmy condor
You have throw it in the first place
Yeh that’s a difficult concept though when the devoker casts one breath and does more damage in 1 second that I do on the entire set of adds
And then I get blamed
For not tricksing
balmy condor
Is it worth going 2x crafted rings with this spark?
If you got shit rings still sure why not
quiet oar
Just a thought
royal python
Witherbark trinket or smolderon one
balmy condor
Pack to pack
In m+?
royal python
Yes
quiet oar
True
royal python
Under what conditions does it proc
quiet oar
Everyone deadge
balmy condor
2/3rds of your party dying
royal python
Kek
karmic merlin
So need some advice, right now the neck from Tswift is simming lowering than the vers heavy neck off Volocross at a higher ilvl. Do I have too much mastery or is this a sim trap?
royal python
Even in raid?
balmy condor
The sims are actually a minefield you have get training in order to navigate. It’s designed to give you wrong answers sometimes
Just to fuck with you
quiet oar
balmy condor
Not a lot of people know that actually
quiet oar
So need some advice, right now the neck from Tswift is simming lowering than the...
But srsly, trust the bot. If we cant trust the bot
We have to feelcraft
spice spire
desert inlet
one time I trusted the robot and it told me to make the wrong shoes
balmy condor
Imagine simulationcraft being like 600 thousand lines of code and still not being able to compare two stats to each other
quiet oar
Ok
balmy condor
turbid sandal
More than once I've thought that the advice I get in here is trolling, but that's just how the internet works I guess
balmy condor
Or you might’ve run into one of our resident clowns
spice spire
Yeah like me
quiet oar
Or me
karmic merlin
But srsly, trust the bot. If we cant trust the bot
thank you, didn't know if it simming weird because of the proc or what
balmy condor
They don’t break the rules enough to ban, but they say dumb shit like they’re itching for it
quiet oar
thank you, didn't know if it simming weird because of the proc or what
If you Switch out your witherbark
Your mastery neck will probsbly sim higher
But just follow the instructions of the bot
balmy condor
<:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
We’ve banned for misinfo before 
quiet oar
How
balmy condor
quiet oar
Just a remind guys
storm forum
is it me?
quiet oar
storm forum
i feel like whispyr's talking about me
quiet oar
Wait
Now i See what you mean whisp
It looks like this without a scuffed Screenshot
spice spire
i feel like whispyr's talking about me
Yes
storm forum
Yes
Remember everyone, bosses have innate health regeneration and leech, so make sure you use wound poison
if someone actually reads this and uses wound poison im going to explode
quiet oar
flat kindle
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
quiet oar
fleet atlas
so outlaw guide says signet brand sims can be misleading. does that apply to sin? or if it sims higher than pips should i just go with signet brand?
minor gate
does anyone know where i can look to see an "aug buff tier list"
indigo totem
OK so we're all switching to wound poison, got it! Thx
Someone is gonna think this is real huh
kindred flare
That’s the first message if you search poison in the discord so yes lol
balmy condor
so outlaw guide says signet brand sims can be misleading. does that apply to sin...
What’s wrong with it
tall basalt
Remember everyone, bosses have innate health regeneration and leech, so make sur...
this is the real reason to take dtb 
fleet atlas
What’s wrong with it
this is the outlaw FAQ. to be fair i misremembered it. it says nothing about sims being misleading just that there is variance and needs long timers i guess
fleet atlas
alright ty
stray mural
if i post logs will somebody just tear me a new one and tell me why im sucking
spice spire
@limber lion your time to shine buddy
But also I can
But am leaving work
Glad to when home
stray mural
is there a command?
limber lion
if i post logs will somebody just tear me a new one and tell me why im sucking
The answer is probably "don't have all raid buffs, no pi" and "aug hooks are fixed" and "assa has been nerfed twice now but there ain't new partitions so you're competing against people who were simming 15k more than you a few weeks ago"
limber lion
You really just can't look at parses or anything for Assassination atm unfortunately
You can be a god-tier gamer and parse blue
it's just how it is currently without new partitions and being so reliant on PI
Faulty aug hooks were pretty massive as well so gl competing against the people who got to abuse those the first few weeks
raven egret
PI, proc chances, guild strategy used, mechanics impacted, hooks and nerfs from earlier weeks.... yeah... it piles up
surreal citrus
😩
limber lion
feels good even though mastery doesn't affect feel whatsoever
but yeah I get it
big number big funnies
limber lion
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thrall/glitzgear
Yeah, what I said earlier stands true
no warrior buff
no pi
okay your ashes usage is troll on Volcoross, should use it during dm window not 5s before it
probably an oopsie
otherwise pretty normal stuff
no point looking at parses or anything
onyx rain
with my vers that low and crit that high is there a chance vers flask might be a better choice?
onyx rain
word
limber lion
but probs no
tall basalt
is there any spec that actually wants to stack vers?
spice spire
Glitzgear Log Review
stray mural
otherwise pretty normal stuff
really? i feel so small
simple ore
is there any spec that actually wants to stack vers?
quite a few, outlaw stacks vers and vers is great on sub too
tall basalt
interesting, my first thought was disc but i read that doesnt double dip
limber lion
really? i feel so small
Read what I said earlier
You're competing against people who did 50k more dps than you a few weeks ago
no wonder you parse poorly
WCL should have gotten a partition for the tuning pass we just had but didn't happen.
distant plinth
is there any spec that actually wants to stack vers?
At my point stacking haste+vers sims much higher for me atm. Im at 3k critt and mastery and 25%haste and 24% vers on my sin gear
It Even wants me to swap to vers+haste gems sadge
limber lion
Apparently WCL is thinking of making a partition, but they don't want to do it just yet in case Aug hooks get further fixed and/or a big tuning pass happens shortly after again
So they're waiting around for a bit
raven egret
It Even wants me to swap to vers+haste gems sadge
yeah Sims are doing the best calc including the stat diminishing returns - since we are all on the edges of those soft caps it can give you different recommandation than expected
Once we start adding sockets it will make it easier to balance those
crisp vessel
yo i wanna know if i should play sin rogue over sub for tindral prog
isnt sin dog shit now lol
distant plinth
Im pretty stacked on sockets, missing wrist i think😂
limber lion
yo i wanna know if i should play sin rogue over sub for tindral prog
Definitely play Sub if you play em both
blazing jewel
Sin is likely much easier to execute properly on tindral though
crisp vessel
what if my guild is already obliterating roots and we only need boss damage to get the kill since we're sub 10%
limber lion
I mean
blazing jewel
Sub doesn’t do a ton of root damage
limber lion
just play whatever you feel more comfortable with
blazing jewel
More than sin but it’s not a dh
balmy dome
why is my sim dps so low?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wsaWjVrb8G7SCJUacNVntd
distant plinth
All 3 spec still meta go whatever you good at
balmy dome
Can't be just the nerf.
distant plinth
why is my sim dps so low?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wsaWjVrb8G7SCJU...
Caustic spatter
blazing jewel
No wft in sim
hardy dagger
More than sin but it’s not a dh
Aye but it absolutely obliterates the last vines without feathers
raven egret
Can't be just the nerf.
no but we dont sim very high compared to most other specs either
balmy dome
Fair points
blazing jewel
Aye but it absolutely obliterates the last vines without feathers<:sheesh:106526...
No padding allowed
hardy dagger
Well dhs don't have cds there iirc
blazing jewel
I just sent a dance tornado for that set and used cds after I did my feather set
We’re so ethical
distant plinth
No padding allowed
Leave and find a new guild😂
hardy dagger
I just sent a dance tornado for that set and used cds after I did my feather set
You are a better man than me
blazing jewel
Leave and find a new guild😂
I said no padding not my guild lol
limber lion
smh Scana stop tryharding
blazing jewel
Bro I was doing anything to get out of tindral prison
hardy dagger
I just sent a dance tornado for that set and used cds after I did my feather set
I was kinda meant to send there wcyd
hardy dagger
Buff black powder
blazing jewel
Buff spatter
hardy dagger
Amen
foggy tree
For council do I want to leave my 2 target cleave to apply my dots to pip as they fall off or is it not worth it?
hardy dagger
Should be like beastcleave 80%
limber lion
For council do I want to leave my 2 target cleave to apply my dots to pip as the...
Probably if you have shadowstep and/or sprint ready
swift sedge
We're still good PI target right?
limber lion
just running around is never worth it
limber lion
We're still good PI target right?
The PI value is still relatively the same as it has been.
storm monolith
I cant play outlaw 
I dont have the weapons necessary to use some abilities, nor the gold to buy those weapons
swift sedge
What do I tell my guild who is giving PI to a BM hunter over me?
gray crest
bm is better than sin now for pi
lean wigeon
The PI value is still relatively the same as it has been.
With the nerf to Sin, who wpuld get the PI now, Sin rogue or Unhoky DK?
buoyant pilot
With the nerf to Sin, who wpuld get the PI now, Sin rogue or Unhoky DK?
uh dk should get first pi either way
if you have 1 pi
also pre nerf
lean wigeon
if you have 1 pi
We only have 1, but following the opener, where is the highest gain now?
limber lion
We only have 1, but following the opener, where is the highest gain now?
Like I said it's the same.
Assa will do lower overall damage, but the gain from PI is relatively the same
buoyant pilot
We only have 1, but following the opener, where is the highest gain now?
I'm not 100% sure, looking at bloodmallet.... it does seem to be updated with new PI sims but the time stamp is still old (graph is different though). Sin and BM seem to be more equal now for pure ST it should still be Sin I think (anything cleave BM was ahead also pre nerf)
lean wigeon
I'm not 100% sure, looking at bloodmallet.... it does seem to be updated with n...
Tysm
buoyant pilot
BM will be nerfed though so d/w about this situation too long
robust scaffold
WW > sin in keys now?
misty holly
I bet even frost dk is better in keys now. How the mighty have fallen.
robust scaffold
im sure this shit happens every seasoon
fervent hazel
Just got my 2nd NoT mythic track from vault
dark token
With the nerf to Sin, who wpuld get the PI now, Sin rogue or Unhoky DK?
Pi the dk on pull, BM hunter on cd after that, then sin in execute
Not this shit again
old halo
what would you choose?
balmy dome
Anyone free to look over a log? i feel like I'm playing this as good as I can, but his deathmark is doing way more than mine:
dark token
Anyone free to look over a log? i feel like I'm playing this as good as I can, b...
Couple things
subtle kettle
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
dark token
Make sure u envenom before ur deathmark and before ur dance windows with kb
Ur doing rupture before for some reason
fickle lotus
Quick question for any of you absolute gamers, does acrobatic strikes increase the range of caustic spatter aoe? trying to find out how to get more dmg on spears on igria
dark token
This is bad
fickle lotus
fuk
dark token
Anyone free to look over a log? i feel like I'm playing this as good as I can, b...
2nd thing is he is snapshotting and refreshing rupture in his deathmark
So his deathmark dot will do more dmg
Ur doing more eviscerates
spice surge
Quick question for any of you absolute gamers, does acrobatic strikes increase t...
Have your raiders not stand too far away 
dark token
So ur evisc and ur kb will do more dmg
spice surge
(very hard challenge)
dark token
But you need to evisc before the deathmark to make sure you have 100% envenom uptime
And before dance
fickle lotus
Have your raiders not stand too far away <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
you have no idea how hard it is for them it's like hearding cats
balmy dome
2nd thing is he is snapshotting and refreshing rupture in his deathmark
You mean in last second of the vanish at the end of KB to snapshot rupture?
dark token
You mean in last second of the vanish at the end of KB to snapshot rupture?
No
He is doing kb, garrote, envenom, ambush, rupture
This is snapshotting the rupture in the dance
It's optional and not necessary on single target
But it will make his dmg breakdown better for deathmark
balmy dome
ah gotcha that makes sense
dark token
I suggest not looking at damage breakdowns in general
balmy dome
biggest thing is the envenom before deathmark?
dark token
Go do a quick sim and look at the sample sequence table
And compare ur cooldown windows to that
Also go look at the sims envenom buff uptime
And compare to ur log
And make sure ur garrote/rupture uptimes are 99%
Check ur cp wasted and make sure it's only seal fate
Check energy wasted make it as low as possible
Get notter kingsbane WA and make sure shiv and envenom have 100% covetage
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
dark token
Not there zzz
acoustic roost
LE's Profile has a good kingsbane WA
balmy dome
Get notter kingsbane WA and make sure shiv and envenom have 100% covetage
Okay will try all of this, really appreciat eit.
dark token
Okay will try all of this, really appreciat eit.
The sim sequence table will tell u if ur doing ur cooldowns correct
All the other metrics are upkeep stuff between cds
acoustic roost
Has assa always simmed lower than sub in ST patchwerk? Decided to see what it was like playing sub this patch and its like a 13k dps sim diff
dark token
Yes
This patch yes
It's getting gapped more and more on ST with nerfa
Even with PI sub is higher pure st
astral ingot
So are we worth respeccing?
dark token
Depends entirely on ur enjoyment, ability to play sub, what level u are playing at, and what content u are doing
mystic osprey
Hmm
Lucky I started playing sub because I predicted that sin was gonna get gutted and no one believed me
feral mason
Some of these people im seeing with their doomer reroll angles and green heroic parses gotta chill out sometimes
gaunt moat
doing about healer damage
slim pebble
The only people swapping from assassination right now are the people think that 3000 dps is somehow stopping them from getting cutting edge