#assassination

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quiet oar
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True

balmy condor
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And we were all gone

near valley
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Actually based idea

quiet oar
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Ok

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Guys

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Till zeross is gone

balmy condor
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I’m in bed, it’s 4am

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No issue on my end

near valley
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I'm at work

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1 pm

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I shouldn't be here lmao

plush tusk
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wow where have all of you gone?

keen spruce
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did someone say feet

arctic socket
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Toe beans

winged sun
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What happened

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Why do i have 5 pins

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One here and 4 in outlaw

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Did they delete outlaw

spice spire
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It’s too early for zeross

fallen forge
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channel is closed for the day

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everyone went bedge

spice spire
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False bestie

grim jay
elfin haven
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Spiteful week. Who going outlaw

quiet oar
quiet oar
spice spire
quiet oar
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Wdym

spice spire
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Arguably worse

quiet oar
grim jay
grim jay
elfin haven
quiet oar
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????

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You lose adr

quiet oar
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So no dmg lose

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Only less valuable dmg

grim jay
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I just meant it as in

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Its not bad for sin, just feels bad

spice spire
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He’s not wrong

grim jay
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So its not bad at all for outlul if its equally bad

mystic osprey
spice spire
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Grats

grim jay
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Gz

elfin haven
mystic osprey
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i am

elfin haven
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We should all post our nick of times in sub channel

spice spire
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Counterpoint

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Cat pfp so it was a blessed showing

winged sun
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We lose the most atm out of 3 specs

spice spire
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Wasn’t a question

plucky canopy
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I like the text "sooner or later everyone sees the time knife"

spice spire
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Was questioning OP

cloud goblet
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Hi guys, I'm a newish rogue player and even more new to the assassin spec. Played only outlaw in the past. I'm struggling with the rotation as there is so many damage abilities. Anyone have a good video or recommend a good read?

plucky canopy
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Look up for whispyr on yt

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Has videos on everything u need to know

spice spire
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Whispyr made a ton of videos ranging from basics to in depth concepts

cloud goblet
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Ah, thanks. I'll have a look through.

spice spire
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🫡

quiet oar
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You can also start a log Review

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Quake Will Review

spice spire
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Bro

quiet oar
royal lantern
spice spire
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I refuse

grim jay
spice spire
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99% sure that’s already happening

sick aspen
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out of curiosity, anyone done a throne 18 the past day or two that remembers their overall?

grim jay
sick aspen
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thanks!

grim jay
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Shit dies so fast on 18s

spice spire
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Mfs just posting numbers

grim jay
spice spire
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For once

sick aspen
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yeah, there's tons of variables also, but was just hoping to ballpark so that's fine and appreciated 🙂

spice spire
grim jay
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Or your tank babypulls

grim jay
spice spire
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Yeah I’m a 1/10 on a good day I know it

grim jay
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You flipped the numbers

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Definitely a 100/10

spice spire
grim jay
cloud goblet
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I watched the video.. assassin rogue seems difficult haha

spice spire
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It can be.
It takes practice and play

near valley
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Boyaka boyaka

sour oasis
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Hello Guys

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So with the nerf, we still fine right ?

spice spire
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Yes

quiet oar
spice spire
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It’s In pins

sour oasis
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So why my gm want

spice spire
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If you need explanation

spice spire
sour oasis
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To put out my PI

spice spire
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On BM?

sour oasis
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no on a dh

spice spire
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Hm

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That’s

quiet oar
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He should check the sims

sour oasis
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I think we still better

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Even the nerf

quiet oar
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Ofc

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Dhs get nerfed too

sour oasis
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To get a PI

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We have 3 PI

quiet oar
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Only bm and udk are better

sour oasis
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Ok thx guys

plucky canopy
maiden cliff
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hows life after the nerf NA?

royal lantern
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they are in NA

subtle tundra
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buddy its a 3% nerf

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:(((

maiden cliff
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so its almost like whats the point?

subtle tundra
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to bring us in line?

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we didnt die

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we're not bottom

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we're still close to the top

maiden cliff
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without PI?

subtle tundra
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just get pi bozo

pure moth
dark token
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Here's whats gonna happen

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Most sin rogues lose PI and bm gets it, bm shoots to top of rankings and sin drops to average, not good enough to be buffed but no further nerfs

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Bm gets nerfed for being top spec now that they have Pi

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Warlocks/mages/dks are now on top and get PI again

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They don't get nerfed due to PI because they are special

pure moth
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Fair assessment

dark token
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Rogue will remain avg for rest of year

subtle tundra
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considering that the season has barely started

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i can see that happen

dark token
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Calling it now I will look back in 1-2 months and we will see

neat plank
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avg is a good place to be, useful but wont get nerfed

royal lantern
neat plank
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yeah I dont like seeing a whole bunch of rogues :p

spice spire
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If I see one more log posted ReallyMad

hollow heron
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
quiet oar
spice spire
slim hamlet
plucky canopy
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The classic blizzard special treatment

cunning basin
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Yeah

spice spire
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Opp

slim hamlet
spice spire
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You were the frost mage weren’t you

slim hamlet
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It was the first result when filtering LFR in latest logs

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I am on the darker side than just mage dude

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spice spire
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Mm

slim hamlet
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(not actually rerolling just to boost with no thought)

quiet oar
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Wdym boosting

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Have you looked at Details what Augmentation does ???

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It gets literally boosted ??

slim hamlet
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Actually under tank in a +8

image.png
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unlucky

quiet oar
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Imagine

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And this is the "broken" Spec ICANT

slim hamlet
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^^

mystic osprey
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WTF

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🤯

slim hamlet
grim jay
quiet oar
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HAHAHAH

slim hamlet
slim hamlet
quiet oar
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Quake about to ends Davyns life

grim jay
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Cant end what isnt there

quiet oar
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Fixed

ember gyro
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does Lethal Dose include the non dmg poisons?

spice spire
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Literally hate it here

grim jay
slim hamlet
spice spire
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I ain’t reading that essay

mystic osprey
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
quiet oar
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
grim jay
quiet oar
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Makeitquake?

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more like

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Reviewitquake!

mystic osprey
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fr

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all they have to do is press kingsbane on cd

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its not complicated at all

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they just have shadow dance to feel for a defensive

grim jay
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I dont know what im reading but

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Bro

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You changed since you swapped to sub

mystic osprey
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I had to struggle to escape the darkness of outlaw

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I came crawling back into the sin cave

slim hamlet
mystic osprey
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and I found light in the shadow

mystic osprey
grim jay
quiet oar
mystic osprey
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because bro

quiet oar
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Once a week

mystic osprey
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its a fucking anime

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thats how motherfucker

mystic osprey
grim jay
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I cant

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I can only change what I play

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But never change what I main

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Because my heart decides what I main

lime crypt
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would

slim hamlet
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💀

royal lantern
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
frail sentinel
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How important is it to pool 50 energy in m+? I’m finding that I am always low on energy

slim hamlet
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how are u low in aoe

true flume
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Anyone using elvui know how to make it so that my bad does no change when i enter stealth?

frail sentinel
slim hamlet
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If u spread bleeds u have infinite energy

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wint venemous wounds

mystic osprey
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no shit

slim hamlet
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??

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He clearly doesn't know, why would u say no shit

thorn fjord
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Morning hostility always be hitting

mystic osprey
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or is it just keys in general?

slim hamlet
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There are no dungeons where u specifically struggle with energy

mystic osprey
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yeah but it might be a specific part idk

slim hamlet
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golden path of dawn is a struggle

mystic osprey
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oh for sure

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fuck that bit

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unless youre playing outlaw

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then you can pad like crazy

spice spire
thorn fjord
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Make it pop

frail sentinel
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hard to tell, i average 100k + dps with 449 ilvl rn in M+ (so maybe struggling ?)

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hardest dungeon so far was waycrest imo

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i think im too trigger happy with using finishers when i have the combo points?

slim hamlet
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Nah in aoe u can spam

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U need to apply bleeds for energy

mystic osprey
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Depends what build you're using ad well sorta

slim hamlet
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As long as u got venemous wounds and IC u are infinite energy

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At like 4(?) targets at least

frail sentinel
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hmm

slim hamlet
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Prolly less, haven't rly been paying attention to that tbh

frail sentinel
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ill have to pay more attention then

mystic osprey
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You can still struggle at 2 targets of you're clueless

slim hamlet
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yea u def dont have infinite energy at 2

mystic osprey
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But when your stats are right you don't even struggle on st, it's just not infinite energy

slim hamlet
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but u are also not trying to stay over 50% on 2 afaik

frail sentinel
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ic ic

spice spire
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Nah that’s a different ability

slim hamlet
frail sentinel
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and crimson tempest is only to be used for the bleed? envenom is used otherwise?

slim hamlet
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ye

frail sentinel
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ah

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okok ty

slim hamlet
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CT is only a bleed now

frail sentinel
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im using that shit way too much then hahahaha

analog socket
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Im completely new to rogue and I wonder if I should play sin or outlaw

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Any tips

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Mostly m+ focus

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Until i care to push raiding any more than heroic.

slim hamlet
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The one looking more fun

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Not much info to go off

neat plank
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to me ass feels more like a rogue, and I'm a dagger enjoyer. I don't like gunshot noises 🙂

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and you can play whatever spec. Kush easily timed a +29 AD as sub which is supposed to be the worst out of the 3 for m+

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ROGUE POWAAAH ;O

chrome harbor
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I think Ass is a lot of fun to play. Outlaw gives you carpal tunnel

pure crag
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Kingsbane simulator vs BTE simulator

chrome harbor
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Or an RSI

slim hamlet
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Assa is more scripted but gotta think more ahead. Outlaw is much harder doing the actual rotation stuff, but not as much thinking ahead

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in my experience

spice spire
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No thoughts head empty

slim hamlet
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Bro aug in m+ is actually the most chill shit ever

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I look more at my 2nd screen than an ARAM game in lol

spice spire
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League player too

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Man ur climbing the ranks eh

slim hamlet
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Yea

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I play Yuumi

spice spire
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I believe it

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Simp

slim hamlet
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(I don't even own the champ please don't disown me)

real solar
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@gusty mirage hug

somber sparrow
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oxi literally has do not disturb on, so rude JASON!!11!

tawny geyser
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The nerfs are live or incoming?

spice spire
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NA? Live
EU? Inc

oak tangle
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NA unlive

spice spire
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Well live on reset

thorn fjord
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My sweet sweet 3%

oak tangle
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can't get nerfed if you re roll

tawny geyser
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I'm asking because Outlaw was outdpsing me by 30k on Fyraak HC...

oak tangle
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but my team already has AOTC now and we're on break till new year

thorn fjord
slim pebble
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Skill issue

oak tangle
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PI issue?

spice spire
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You’re right you are a qt 3.14

gusty mirage
neat plank
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tbh outlaw is great on fyrakk add cleave 🙂

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it would be much worse if he destroyed you on volcoross

thorn fjord
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Servers up

arctic socket
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Nicholas

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Better be waiting

slim pebble
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I made the choice to main swap so that means 483 nick inc

arctic socket
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Imma tell the vault Im not wanting a Nicholas just for it to give me a Nicholas starege

pure moth
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But now that you said it.. you've jinxed it

arctic socket
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I jinxed myself into getting one

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Knowing my luck it’s gonna be that shitty atal dagger

spice spire
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Servers up according to guild, bozos

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Nicholas of timothies for all

arctic socket
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@spice spire

clever sapphire
spice spire
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See the name

arctic socket
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It’s not the same

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You not being called whispyr simp

spice spire
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My name changes infinitely

arctic socket
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Idk you anymore

spice spire
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Bless up

arctic socket
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Can’t wait to get off of work today, open vault and have either a 489 Nicholas or branch

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489 ring would also be good

spice spire
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Doubt

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For the terrorism, best I can do is boots

wide ferry
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smolderons cape fuuucckkkkk yea

spice spire
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Gz

gusty mirage
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can't wait to login in and grab my socket

spice spire
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Don’t

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You deserve a nice lil 489 not

misty holly
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How much Mastery is too much?

neat plank
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again I checked logs and he had 99 on all those fights

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🙂

clever sapphire
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send log now im interested

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i suck at log reviews, but i just wanna see xD

gusty mirage
thorn fjord
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damn ive been wanting that ring

gusty mirage
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and how does this make you feel

thorn fjord
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I took a ring for sub/OL -_-

gusty mirage
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imagine playing anything other than sub now

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lmao

lucid rain
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mfw I switch to havoc and this happens

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neat plank
dark token
lucid rain
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question is

gusty mirage
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don't listen to him

lucid rain
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what's better in keys

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sub or sin

gusty mirage
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go play havoc

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and have fun

dark token
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looks like the dagger came... in the nick of time wicked

spice spire
gusty mirage
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do damage, bring a raid buff, be unbelievably tanky

lucid rain
gusty mirage
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don't let people gaslight you into thinking atrophic is useful

clever sapphire
dark token
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numbing poison is so useful on tindral

lucid rain
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yeah you know what was funny, I was doing a, like +20 or +22 tyrannical galakrond a couple weeks ago on my havoc

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the bdk and I were the only ones remaining

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and I somehow just

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lived through everything

gusty mirage
lucid rain
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like 4 sets of debuffs

gusty mirage
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and you do 1800 times more dps than everyone else

spice spire
gusty mirage
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@spice spire I'm done doing 8 keys

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idc enough anymore

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4 is more than enough

spice spire
gusty mirage
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tier almost over anyway

spice spire
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I’m still doing 0

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Fuck them kids

gusty mirage
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not gonna waste 5 hours a week in keys to maybe get a nick of time

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lmao

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what's wild is I've gotten 1 useful vault this entire tier

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I guess my myth track signet brand is gonna be useful for fyrakk

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but it's absolutely worthless on tindral lmao

spice spire
still stirrup
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Is signet worth it in general?

gusty mirage
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ye for not tindral/council

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its pretty damn good

proper forum
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
gusty mirage
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but it's also a trinket everyone and their mom wants

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vs a sandglass which people don't want for whatever reason

still stirrup
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Just got a hero one in the vault, but it barely sims over my current hourglass

gusty mirage
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it needs long fights to be good

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so if you're blasting bosses

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it's not even worth equipping

still stirrup
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5min + fights?

gusty mirage
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ye need at least 5 min fights

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probably about even w/ sandglass on like 4 to 5 minutes

arctic socket
gusty mirage
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and no cringe losing stacks

oak tangle
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looking like a "take shoulder to catalyse" angle

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still stirrup
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Aight, current sims just telling me to take myth track glvoes for catalyst

arctic socket
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:take the counter weight

fallow canopy
gusty mirage
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yeah if you got a 483 sandglass you're bing chilling

still stirrup
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Will skip it then and do the gloves, cheers

spice spire
elfin haven
spice spire
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Tough

gusty mirage
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idk what to socket now

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my rings are all hero track

elfin haven
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Do I take trinket for outlaw or 489 shit dagger

gusty mirage
oak tangle
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spiked counterwight is not a meme?

gusty mirage
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spiked counterweight is still a meme

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just less of a meme

elfin haven
neat plank
oak tangle
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i was gonna say, i have signet + branch

solar ocean
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hmm... pips or signet brand?

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pips, yeah?

gusty mirage
simple vessel
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Has anyone switched from Sub to Assn? How does it feel? I'm Sub right now and it feels weak

spice spire
gusty mirage
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if you play outlaw just take bandolier

spice spire
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Get another trinket then your final pip is less than the penultimate one

solar ocean
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currently have a sandglass and mydas

neat plank
gusty mirage
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if so, take pips

solar ocean
gusty mirage
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100% pips angle

solar ocean
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pips it is

broken ibex
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
gusty mirage
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then to replace talisman just sit in everbloom prison KEKL

spice spire
gusty mirage
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it's still a good chunk better than other options

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ashes is the only thing close to it

neat plank
spice spire
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Yeah it’s ashes for sure

gusty mirage
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you could scuff your timing on the balls

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and its still better than ashes KEKW

oak tangle
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do we get catalyst this week or is that not till next week

spice spire
gusty mirage
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HOW ABOUT YOU DO BUD

spice spire
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SEE YOU SOON BOZO

gusty mirage
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don't test me today, I've done more work in the first 4 hours of my workday than I've done in 3 weeks

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I'm running on low sleep, a lot of caffeine, and some protein pancakes for breakfast

spice spire
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I literally have the flu

gusty mirage
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spit in my mouth

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I hope its covid and I unalive myself, in game,

spice spire
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God I wish

ember mural
spice spire
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The spit part

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Not the other

gusty mirage
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I've never gotten covid, I feel left out

arctic socket
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Just change the hair color

spice spire
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Don’t doubt it

gusty mirage
oak tangle
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covid was like being tired, but not sleepy

gusty mirage
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bro I think I've had covid for the last 15 years

oak tangle
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like you go to lift an arm, and you're just like, fuck nawww

gusty mirage
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that's on thursdays after bis and tris day

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friendly reminder to pick up heavy things and put them back down

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get swole

spice spire
gusty mirage
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not best in slots

spice spire
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Ik what you meant but I’m being obtuse

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Because ur a cute

gusty mirage
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damn

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stole my joke

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I was gonna say you're not obtuse, you're acute

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and you stole my thunder

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also you still can't buy a half spark

spice spire
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It’s what I do

gusty mirage
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@spice spire whats it gonna take for you to wheelchair me around today

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yesterday was brutal

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squats, into pendulum squats, into leg press, into walking lunges

spice spire
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Ig

gusty mirage
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??????????

spice spire
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Wait

ember mural
gusty mirage
oak tangle
gusty mirage
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SEE YOU IN FIVE HOURS BUD

ember mural
gusty mirage
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that's my facial expression literally all the time

rapid mirage
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Choices...

image.png
ember mural
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Not true OxiPain

spice spire
gusty mirage
dark token
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This is unfair I'm in NA but have to wait till tomorrow for vault

fallow canopy
spice spire
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I ain’t ever played hidden opportunity in my life

gusty mirage
neat plank
misty holly
spice spire
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Do you have the weak aura?

neat plank
spice spire
rapid mirage
hardy pawn
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So is it time to start gearing Outlaw?

static glacier
rapid mirage
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this is my second 489 nick, and in have a mythic claw, idk what to aim for now

hardy pawn
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Is it?

static glacier
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Do you have fun playing outlaw?

spice spire
static glacier
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Or to your nearest casino, all on black

misty holly
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You're rolling nat 20's on vault man

rapid mirage
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yea... my friend wont talk to me anymore now, he got 4 Bracers in his today and just logged off discord. Its a curse too, ya know

hardy pawn
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I enjoy the class I enjoyed Sub at launch and have enjoyed Sin now

spice spire
static glacier
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And will remain good

hardy pawn
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So this Sin nerf isn’t the spec breaker. Cool

static glacier
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You playing any of the specs won’t make a meaningful difference in outcomes assuming you’re equally skilled on all specs

static glacier
limber lion
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I mean Sin ain't the hot shit it was on ST anymore

static glacier
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Just take ur dps total and multiply it by 0.97

hardy pawn
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No but I’ve played long enough to know that enough 2-3% nerfs eventually will start to matter

spice spire
limber lion
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It's just that Sin is a PI/Aug spec so everyrhing is inflated

static glacier
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If losing 4-7k dps breaks the spec for you then yeah

limber lion
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Still slaps on any spatter fight

static glacier
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But remember regardless of what wcl aggregates shows, this is a 0.97 multiplier; no more

oak tangle
spice spire
arctic socket
limber lion
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Yes

past bobcat
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Rip the Smolderon changes

static glacier
arctic socket
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Dead spec

static glacier
#

Xd

tardy wind
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bro why cant i find +16 - +18 m+ parties, are people playing only higher keys, or are they waiting for rreset?

hardy pawn
arctic socket
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Gotta Reroll

spice spire
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3% of 240ish k

arctic socket
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We went from s+ to like s+

oak tangle
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when will WCL reset the parses, cause aint no way i'm getting oranges now

thorn fjord
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My 3% PogO

limber lion
static glacier
limber lion
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So likely never this tier

gusty mirage
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dw guys they nerfed smolderon

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for absolutely no reason

oak tangle
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i mean we are kinda down 7% now, that's kinda significant

arctic socket
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Oh no

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7%!

gusty mirage
static glacier
arctic socket
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When we are like

oak tangle
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FOR WCL

arctic socket
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20% ahead of other classes

thorn fjord
oak tangle
#

dont read my shit out of context

arctic socket
#

Just play better memz

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Play flawlessly

thorn fjord
#

Yeah bozo

arctic socket
#

Go get like 8 pis

spice spire
#

What I’m saying

limber lion
#

I mean according to the simulationcraft profiles we are near the bottom of the sims

static glacier
#

Oh lol wcl, it’s okay we can just spec subtlety and make a macro to make sectec show the kingsbane icon

arctic socket
spice spire
#

Except that

limber lion
#

But take that as you will

spice spire
#

That invalidates logs

thorn fjord
#

My play invalidates my own logs

arctic socket
#

Imma have to learn sub

#

But I don’t wanna

spice spire
#

If I speak

gentle belfry
#

Branch or band for sin/sub Hmmge I'm on smol> now so not sure if branch is worth if Im not playing sin for prog now

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arctic socket
#

Im number one in my raid group that’s my log

limber lion
oak tangle
#

i'll still top dps in my groups, but i can't chase big parses, cause those have already been gobbled up by them just doing a flat 7% more than me

arctic socket
slow snow
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
arctic socket
thorn fjord
#

Variance baby

gusty mirage
#

yeah

arctic socket
#

Outlaw > sin apparently

gusty mirage
#

people forget outlaw is good

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idk why

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it's just not played because it has no burst

misty holly
#

Outlaw doesnt get PI so it doesnt show up as high on logs.

oak tangle
#

people (not us) forget sin is where it is cause pi

limber lion
static glacier
limber lion
misty holly
#

this 3% nerf was totally a PI nerf

limber lion
#

What's a PI nerf?

static glacier
#

And council

spice spire
limber lion
oak tangle
#

i hope it ends here, because if it ever gets to the point where sin is not the pi target, suddenly we're gonna be WW territory

gusty mirage
#

WW territory is good now though

static glacier
gusty mirage
#

they're like at 242 ST

#

need a new analogy

static glacier
#

Maybe I’m coping

gusty mirage
#

but people gonna doom

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what can ya do

#

the biggest mystery is how sub managed to avoid any nerfs

#

ngl

static glacier
#

Shhh

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Xd

#

Honestly

limber lion
#

I mean it kinda is

static glacier
#

Enh has been flying under the radar

gusty mirage
#

that's cause most enhance players are poop

#

forced into enhance for wft

static glacier
#

Idk why people can’t play it

dark token
gusty mirage
#

but for people who clear CE in like 4 months

#

it really isn't

misty holly
#

Guys, I think I know what is going on with balance this patch.... Seriously listen up because I cracked the code. Blizzard sorts classes by DPS per APM, and then balances based on that. This is why Outlaw isn't being touched and Sin is.

gusty mirage
#

and balancing around the top 1% is the worst possible decision they could make

static glacier
oak tangle
#

my only reason to doom is this:

why tf am i being nerfed again, when i am competing with a bm

dark token
#

sin is now caustic bot, cleave specialist

#

Without pi

limber lion
#

At the end of the day I don't think there's any bad specs in the game

gusty mirage
#

but even w/o PI assassination is pretty damn good

dark token
#

It's good on igira style fight

#

Like it won't be bad

gusty mirage
#

now don't nerf sub ty papa ion

limber lion
#

Can litrtally get CE with anything

dark token
#

Just mid

spice surge
spice spire
#

True

spice surge
#

New APL change gets us like +1.5k ez

gusty mirage
spice spire
#

Big sub

gusty mirage
#

macro ashes to SecTech

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and win

spice surge
#

Not using branch is a big +

gusty mirage
shy axle
#

raidbots wants me to recraft nearly everything to krit/vers, is that legit or a meme due to the new head enchant?

gusty mirage
#

I mean branch big dam

#

but branch on tindral is big cringe

spice surge
#

Ashes bigger now on sub, in sims atleast

limber lion
spice spire
limber lion
#

But yeh

#

Bis assa sims around than 235k and the best specs (other than Outlaw) sim like 245-250k

#

So at the end of the day kinda doesn't matter at all

#

The burst is just so favorable

#

Two specs that both do 250k, but other one is sustain and other is burst

#

You always pick the burst

thorn fjord
#

You're gonna make me burst

spice spire
#

What I’m saying

cerulean nest
spice surge
#

hes standing still for 2 of your uses so those are chill

gusty mirage
subtle tundra
#

im officially at 60 falls and no 2nd dagger

#

meow

dark token
#

depends ur gear

spice spire
spice surge
#

But pull is big cringe annoying but still doable

subtle tundra
dark token
cerulean nest
#

that's what I figured ty

gusty mirage
dark token
#

oh that

gusty mirage
#

instead of with blades

dark token
#

is that really +1.5k over a branch setup

spice spire
#

Big sub is literally sandbagging

subtle tundra
#

im so happy for you

#

cant wait for your 5%

spice spire
#

Toxic mf

gusty mirage
dark token
#

outlaw cap is gonna go down by 1

gusty mirage
#

why are you in galakronds

#

you can't find divine in galakronds

dark token
#

due to overperforming in +15s

subtle tundra
gusty mirage
#

bro

#

fuck the weekly

#

FARM DIVINES

spice spire
#

Login

subtle tundra
#

you dont know how down bad i am

#

on poe

spice spire
#

I’ve seen how down bad you are in here

#

Better or worse

subtle tundra
#

it has been a struggle for the past 3 days

#

just now i got my build comfy

tight atlas
#

Is the reason the favorite trinkets on wol for tindral and fyrakk are ashes and signet just due ti access to a 489 ashes over a 489 branch?

subtle tundra
#

why did i choose a build that requires 50 divs to get decent

spice spire
tight atlas
#

Word word. So i should probably try to get a soul for the the bosses where branch movement is too annoying to make work.

spice surge
#

"A bit" 💀

distant sable
#

483 Nick of Time lets goooooooo

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spice spire
#

Listen man

static glacier
#

Branch feels like an affix no lie

spice spire
#

I’m temporarily retired

spice surge
#

Listening

spice spire
#

I ain’t played these bosses

#

I just look at screen and tel people where the fucked it

spice surge
#

Very good

oak tangle
tight atlas
#

And i take it the pips suggestjon for bis is just generalist.

I got one today in vault but it sims worse and doesnt seem to see much play in mythic

#

Figure probably should get my last mythic track tier over it.

eternal heath
#

hate it here lol

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spice spire
#

Outside of that not much to work with

oak tangle
#

unsure how legit, but if legit how to tell if wasting cp

arctic socket
arctic socket
eternal heath
#

Are either of those trinkets worth grabbing if I already have sandglass and branch though lol

#

Guess I could use pips for keys

oak tangle
arctic socket
#

Huh

#

Oh

oak tangle
#

XD

arctic socket
#

But pips is pretty solid

eternal heath
#

Yeah I just havent simmed keys in forever. Nothing special, dungeon slice works for us right?

raven egret
#

Aight well, that solves that for the season

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eternal heath
#

huge

drifting cedar
#

gz but still so annoying to collect the last orb in time

arctic socket
#

Gratz on something you will never u equip

#

Well

#

Unless you’re doing that one fight

#

We don’t talk about

#

A herioc / mythic pips would be pretty nice to replace my normal one

tight atlas
#

Is there a real point to pips? Even add fights it looks like hourglass is preferred.

I got a mythic one in my vault and sims say meh but im curious if yall think theres any value

sharp osprey
#

conflicted bc belt is 3k dps at 489 but that's a 489 helm and we are on council still

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oak tangle
#

what kinda dogshit belt you got that that's a 3k upgrade

sharp osprey
spice spire
oak tangle
#

is the new one socketed

sharp osprey
#

i had 467 champ track til last week

#

no

gusty mirage
#

I'd take sandglass personally

#

you can always get something to catalyze to tier later

#

and craft a belt eventually at 486

#

myth track sandglass gud

tough portal
#

Is it a 3k upgrade from 473 or 483

sharp osprey
#

to 489

dark token
#

Don't think about short term gains if ur on council

oak tangle
#

that's some sussy numbers

gusty mirage
#

chance at seeing another sandglass in vault is gonna be giga low

oak tangle
#

a 13 ilvl upgrade on my shoulders is 1500

sharp osprey
#

i resimmed as if i took helm and upgraded current belt + catalyzed

oak tangle
#

does your current helm have the enchant

sharp osprey
#

yes

tough portal
#

⏳

tight atlas
#

@dark token if im using a 483 hourglass and branch on add fights. Would you think taking a mythic pips has value or i couls grab my last heroic tier to mythic track.

misty holly
#

Pips is good for M+

#

If you dont care about that at all, then eh, sandglass is nice ST.

oak tangle
#

i'm still so lost as to how a belt upgrade of 6 ilvl is 1800 dps

#

but the robot says it

sharp osprey
#

its 900

#

just upgrading belt

oak tangle
#

yeah no i meant, assuming you upgrade your current one to 483, (cause you should XD) to go from it to the 489 one from your vault, is still 1800

misty holly
#

take the 489 trinket if you can. Can always craft a belt. Can't craft BIS trinkets.

sharp osprey
#

yea i think i will just feels eh when i already have 483

#

but its good

sharp osprey
oak tangle
#

maybe run the tim using latest

#

instead of weekly

#

sim*

#

cause that's mine telling me 13 ilvl on a shoulder is 1500

tight atlas
sharp osprey
#

yea im running again

#

also threw in a 483 anthias from my bags to see if that affects it

#

maybe it just wants the mastery idk

misty holly
#

(dont tell whispyr)

sharp osprey
oak tangle
#

i think latest is what they recommended?

hollow heron
#

i got 2 belts, 2 cloaks, bracers and boots in my vault

royal lantern
#

mate, you aint gonna belive this

#

just in guild discord

#

@winged sun where did you go wrong to end up there with me

sharp osprey
winged sun
royal lantern
#

wait

#

im more confused

#

there are allready 2 rogues

winged sun
#

I guess now it's a 3 : P

oak tangle
drifting cedar
#

ey guys do you advise to completely remove mutilate button from stealth bar? we using ambush anyways

tough portal
#

Helm doesn’t make much sense to take over the trinket

royal lantern
pallid kite
#

is 147k overall dps bad for m+, i did this in a 16 key but i did 160-170k overall in 18

drifting cedar
# royal lantern ye

Thanks for answer I used ambush only when it procced and very very rarely from stealth/sd. Is it big dps loss?

oak tangle
royal lantern
#

like, if you can use ambush instead of mut, you use it

tough portal
#

They mythic raid so the chances of them seeing another myth track helm are going to be much higher than seeing another myth track m+ trinket

ember gyro
#

when I hit vanish towards the end of my KB window, I tend to have 5+ combo points. and am hitting envenom right after vanish, then into a gar, and probably mutilate but then I'm out of the window. Does that sound about accurate, or is there something I can do differently to optomize

mighty nexus
#

I think I got the worst vault in history PepeKMS I didn’t even take anything, I just logged tf off

oak tangle
royal lantern
#

and actually KILLING tindral is another beast

tough portal
#

Don’t need to kill Tindral

royal lantern
tough portal
#

Just catalyze the helm off gnarlfoot

oak tangle
#

tindral is helm is it not

sharp osprey
#

assuming i get the helm off gnarlroot right

oak tangle
#

i stand corrected

sharp osprey
#

i think i just wait til raid anyway

oak tangle
#

didnt realise there was one from there

#

i don't envy your choices, i don't touch mythic so i see myth track i click yes

sharp osprey
#

maybe i convince them to give me gnarl helm bc i can take bis trinket from vault

#

or just take the trinket anyway but ill wait til raid

coarse turtle
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
dusty storm
#

giga noob here, when starting off do you prio item level or items with set bonus? Perpetual Conflict is Champion 3/8 and Shadewalker's is Champion 1/8

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oak tangle
#

but if they are in the same track, then choice is up to you

#

i guess your choice boils down to, is 30 drakes crests worth less or more than a catalyst charge (assuming you don't already have a helm tier

granite oar
#

can anyone link the wa list?

spice spire
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
oak tangle
#

the one 4 messages above?

granite oar
#

yeah sorry

spice spire
#

I just don’t sass anymore

#

Until they ask me to see their log

oak tangle
#

XD

spice spire
#

Then I sass a lot

cerulean nest
#

I think I've been fucking up this whole time with my ambush/Mut button

oak tangle
#

i feel like if anyone posts a log where they are orange they deserve it

cerulean nest
#

I've just had Mut on my stealth bar bc I thought it auto switched to ambush on a proc

#

is that not the case?

oak tangle
#

kinda not really

#

it would be ambush if you had a blindside proc in stealth

junior yoke
oak tangle
#

but would not be ambush in stealth

cerulean nest
#

Jesus christ

balmy condor
#

I mean yeah

#

It changes on proc

#

Stealth ain’t a proc last I checked

cerulean nest
#

but in dance it isn't switching

#

that's hilarious

sharp osprey
#

gotta use the macro

cerulean nest
#

7/9 M btw

oak tangle
#

imagine if stealth was a proc like the mage random timewarp thing 🤮

cerulean nest
#

so do you just put ambush on your stealth bar exclusively

oak tangle
#

how giga nerdy you wanna be

cerulean nest
#

giga

junior yoke
#

How was the 3% nerf?

oak tangle
#

mut during lust pi dm

cerulean nest
#

well I've been doing that lmao

balmy condor
oak tangle
#

otherwise ambush

cerulean nest
#

that is wile

#

wild

junior yoke
carmine shore
# sharp osprey just upgrading belt

if you're oversaturated on a stat and swapping to your best stat that swing is even higher the higher the iLvl. 450 to 456 with stat changes on a belt is going to be very small, but when its max/close to max iLvl the stat swing is large even for a belt.

junior yoke
#

I’ll share my super giga vault drops tomorrow ❤️

balmy condor
#

I mean if I told you to be 3% sadder could you do it

junior yoke
harsh anchor
junior yoke
#

-3% nerf for me would be bad

balmy condor
#

I feel like you couldn’t without instantly being like at least 15% sadder

oak tangle
#

nerf is 3% to the spec, but 100% to my soul

strange python
junior yoke
#

I mean now I hit -3% overall

cerulean nest
#

I just got a 3% buff actually ambushing during dance so it evens out for me

oak tangle
#

i'll be crying from the top

pure moth
#

Just play 3% better and youll balance it out.

junior yoke
#

If you add that dhs still without big nerfs

#

Thats -30% sad

junior yoke
pure moth
#

Ok play 6% better

junior yoke
oak tangle
#

technically playing 3% better does not counteract doing 3% less

junior yoke
#

banana terracotta

plucky canopy
#

i am just happy i got rid of pi tbh 😄

oak tangle
#

huh

plucky canopy
#

felt so shit to sometimes have it, sometimes not

balmy condor
#

“We”

#

I still get pi bud

royal lantern
#

rare whisp L

plucky canopy
#

thats good for u, i just passed mine to our hunter

sharp osprey
#

never got pi

junior yoke
#

Dafuk

balmy condor
#

The horror of giving pi to a good spec

#

I know

junior yoke
#

I would PI survival hunter

balmy condor
#

Difficult reality to live in

sharp osprey
#

my guild been pi'ing arms on cd

#

and hunter

oak tangle
#

play 3.0927835051546391752577319587629% better

junior yoke
sharp osprey
#

nah

junior yoke
balmy condor
#

No shot this dude said fyralath lmao

junior yoke
#

Is arms better than fury?

sharp osprey
#

probably not

balmy condor
#

For pi? Yea

junior yoke
#

No

balmy condor
#

In general nah

junior yoke
#

For overall

oak tangle
#

people really be thinking overall == burst

sharp osprey
#

i never said it was an optimal decision they were making

junior yoke
#

Is arms warrior still being a proc spec?

cerulean nest
sharp osprey
#

/cast [nomod, stance] Ambush; Mutilate;

#

this one i think

drifting cedar
oak tangle
#

that macro only necessary if you dont use stealth bars

sharp osprey
#

it replaces muti with ambush in stealth and dance and goes to mut when you hold a modifier key

drifting cedar
#

cool thanks

sharp osprey
#

yea i don't use stealth bars

cerulean nest
#

I do but I've just had mutilate in the same spot

#

instead of ambush

#

so I've been just pressing mutilate during dance technically

oak tangle
#

hey, it's been working

cerulean nest
#

yeah I've been doing great damage still lol

#

that just sucks

balmy condor
#

Not the worst mistake

#

Every other dance it’s technically better

#

So at least you can cope on that

cerulean nest
#

I'll partial cope

oak tangle
#

my worst, and most common mistake? accidentally tab targetting as i apply kb, cause it's bound to ~, or in a similar vein, trying to cast it when out of range cause i've no longer got long arms

merry thunder
#

Hey guys I was just wondering if when you sim your char will it also include stuff in the vault so I know which is the best choice for me?

echo jay
#

Idk what to do!?!?!? I have a 476 witherbark, 476 signet brand, and 476 coiled already. neck is also bis...

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oak tangle
#

cloak angle?

cerulean nest
#

fuckit I'm just gonna put ambush on it's own key on stealth bar and ascend every other dm

balmy condor
#

I’m probably taking cloak from that cause the raid slots are all doggers ilvl

drifting cedar
cerulean nest
#

nah cuz allegedly you wanna use it during DMs

empty pilot
#

does loot specialization affect great vault or not at all?

balmy condor
#

He’s fiending for 100 dps

sharp osprey
oak tangle
#

is it just dm that's the requisite now, i thought it was lust

echo jay
cerulean nest
#

if you ain't fiending what are you doing

balmy condor
balmy condor
balmy condor
echo jay
oak tangle
#

the mut in dance

balmy condor
#

It’s always been dm

oak tangle
#

o

sharp osprey
#

even without pi or no

oak tangle
#

luckily i never cared

balmy condor
#

Without

#

Lust and pi make it more ambush favored technically

slim hamlet
#

!up

prisma monolithBOT
sharp osprey
#

dang ok

naive rock
#

with this round of nerfs is sin still the pref in raid?

I am simming 197k as sin and 215k as sub.

balmy condor
#

Pins ye

placid adder
#

If you haven’t practiced sub you will be lower than sin

royal lantern
#

ofc you will be lower

#

sub