assassination

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

I swear tho if you join this discord you should be muted for a week so you can just read and learn instead of everyone asking the same questions every day

[gaunt moat]

that sound about accurate.
we we had so many wipes in first two minutes today we had to drop a 2nd couldron

[keen spruce]

we had 5 healers in so that they could all get used to the first bit of the fight

[gaunt moat]

But towards the end i think people start grasping what to do

[keen spruce]

which made the early prog a little easier

[gaunt moat]

our best was 26% i think

[keen spruce]

we normally had too many dead after 2nd intermission

and blew up on tank soaks

[gaunt moat]

pretty fun to play as assasination, cooldowns timing are pretty good if you use on CD

[keen spruce]

yeah with a 3rd intermission lust

just ripping on CD then holding DM for the 3rd intermission

is very cozy

not as hectic as trying to get a clean deathmark out during 1st intermission while grabbin balls n all that

[gaunt moat]

yeah exactly

3rd intermission is melee friendly

and also in execute range

[quiet oar]

You dont cloak the World in flames?

[gaunt moat]

i do, but it's 5 seconds. and in first intermissions you have to move out towards the end

[quiet oar]

Yeah true

In second intermission i skip the Gate

I use cloak for it

But im sub

Tbh

Might be Different

[gaunt moat]

wow. traitor in our midst.

[quiet oar]

No shot i play sin without pi on thst Boss

[gaunt moat]

i get shadow priest PI. it's kinda cringe. not aligning with DM

and later not aligning with anything

[quiet oar]

Its fine we have 2 bm

So its Not wasted

[gaunt moat]

today

[quiet oar]

56 pulls

We had like 7 10% phlls

And than our disc had a dc 1 hour before the end

And didnt came back

[gaunt moat]

pain.
and i know for a lot of people it's christmas soon

[quiet oar]

Yeah

I hope we kill it before christmas

[stable storm]

mirror is simming a bit less ST than porcelain crab (both @ 483, paired with pip's)
your guys thoughts on it?

[quiet oar]

Mirror is 3 mins

DM is 2 mins

Doesnt align very well

[slate crown]

Crab is a manifestation of your future form. It makes sense it resonates strongly.

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

[gaunt moat]

All the strafing expirence is gonna pay off

[slate crown]

🦀 🦀 🦀

[acoustic birch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dark token]

We are only halfway

[ruby coyote]

Is it worth playing Assa for Tindral? Based on what I can see on WL, Assa does more boss dmg and Sub does more AOE dmg. Assa is playing a ST build + caustic and Sub is playing an AOE build. But given the recent nerfes to Tindral Fiery Wines health and the nerfs to Assa, one can even go full ST Sub and do also more boss dmg + free up PI. Is there any reason to go Assa if you want to min/max? It feels to me that after the nerfs on Wednesday, Assa will be behind even on boss dmg :/

[keen spruce]

but see

[storm forum]

Assassination has execute damage.

[keen spruce]

I want

ashes

for smold

to make burst in intermission easier

but smold drops the ashes

[spice spire]

Sucks

[storm forum]

just get a heroic ashes

[keen spruce]

I was cursed with getting funneled 4pc week 1

and now do not get gear anymore

I don't even have 800k health unbuffed

[gaunt moat]

Burdened by success

[storm forum]

ikr, i was cursed with getting ashes and signet brand instantly

[drifting cloud]

??????

[storm forum]

now nothing else will drop for me

[gaunt moat]

Time to change sark cloak

[drifting cloud]

how shmeepy, you dont even need myth track for that unless your vaults have been turbo ass

[keen spruce]

Myth track pips

myth track branch

[storm forum]

its ok shmeeps, youre scaling

[keen spruce]

and myth track ring

[gaunt moat]

I want cataclysmic signet for smolderon, but he drops signet

[storm forum]

youre going to be giga bis

[keen spruce]

oh yeah

wait

who drops ashes

[gaunt moat]

tindral ignore i'm dumb

[drifting cloud]

smold

lol

[storm forum]

smolderon drops both

[keen spruce]

oh cock

[storm forum]

cause hes an asshole

[keen spruce]

ye 799k

[storm forum]

and hoards all the good stuff

[keen spruce]

actually made of cardboard

[gaunt moat]

i think he should deserve to die for that

[storm forum]

wait I don't have 800k either

[drifting cloud]

do orc have more hp or something wtf your hp so low

[gaunt moat]

i'm at 840k unbuffed 🤔

[keen spruce]

a lot of your stam is on your tier pieces

chest,shoulder, helm

[storm forum]

i just maxed out my shoulders and im only at 788k

[drifting cloud]

are you maxxed on crests?

[keen spruce]

I actually need

7 stam

and I'd be 800k

yeah

[drifting cloud]

oh I guess you had to upgrade literally every slot from 476

and you prob did trinkets then got vault ones

[keen spruce]

ye

branch was maxed week 1 when i got it

then got myth branch

out of 2nd vault

[analog path]

I need some help.

In M+ when facing ~5 enemies I am always opening with 2x Garrote->Rupture->Fan of knives (for 4+ CP)->Rupture again->Muttilate->Fan->Envenom on 5CP if the enemy is tanky->Shiv->Shadowdance->Kingsbane (2nd Shiv on 7 sec left on Kingsbane, Tea on 5 sec)->Garrote->Mutti->Envenom and then I keep Garrote, Rupture and Splatter up on main target, spamming Mutti for 4+ CP->Envenom. I also Vanish when the improved garrote is over to reapply it to all targets with the Carnage+1 rupture.

Anything I am doing wrong? I am 460 and I feel that doing under 100K DPS is a bit too low...

[keen spruce]

maxed sandglass

then got mythic pips

so that's a lotta crests not going towards not stamina

[kindred crescent]

any advice i feel like i am energy starved in long ST fights

[drifting cloud]

meanwhile me

[keen spruce]

that is just assas

[drifting cloud]

[gaunt moat]

Do the sigma move and delete it.

[keen spruce]

this is

[analog path]

Also my M+ parses are around 10...

[keen spruce]

miserable to read

[analog path]

Can you please advise Shmeeps?

[keen spruce]

I mean

it's just

a wall of text

[analog path]

I am struggling for about 2 weeks

[keen spruce]

that's just the rotation

[drifting cloud]

whats your ilvl

[analog path]

460

[drifting cloud]

do you have 4set'

[analog path]

Not yet

just 2 piece

[drifting cloud]

4set is huge

[pure moth]

You're missing an enchant on off hand

[analog path]

Can that be the reason for low parse too?

[drifting cloud]

m+ parses dont work like raid

[drifting cloud]

its just pointless info, its probably because you do lower keys

[analog path]

I have improved apparently from ~10

[keen spruce]

i'm not my ui thing just doesn't show it

the addon thingy

[pure moth]

Ah

[runic hinge]

I might actually remember to switch of spatter tonight for volocross

[proper forum]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[scarlet sable]

pips simming higher in ST than hourglass same ilvl

[arctic socket]

Pips go hard

[scarlet sable]

yo link it

the OF

once i get rid of this OH ill be vibing

you guys sim diff runes for each wep?

Oh i was on dslice

we whiffed boys

simming at 159 ST thats bad right

[stable storm]

LETS FUCKING GOO

any tips/bots thing on witherbark usage?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[stable storm]

which one is the weakaura that shows kingsbane total dmg?

[sweet dawn]

Bind it to DM, pick up 2 orbs asap and wait to pick up the last one (I tend to pick the last one up around when I do my 2nd shiv, probably wrong but hey)

[stable storm]

okay

im like

when i touch the orbs they dont immedialty gets picked up

bit wierd but just need to get used

[sweet dawn]

Yeah you get used to it

[scarlet sable]

caustic for spears?

or thats meme

[balmy condor]

Yep

Caustic

Goodge

[scarlet sable]

word

so even on gnarlroot i didnt swap to treants

jst kept smacking boss

[balmy condor]

Yep

Just more caustic

[void mesa]

The answer is always caustic

[scarlet sable]

caustic from apex legends?

[midnight atlas]

in season 1, i killed diurna heroic, got tier, grieftorch and dagger in one kill. that was my rng for the whole xpansion, i still have 447 crafted dagger in offhand

[scarlet sable]

whats caustics range

[midnight atlas]

should be 8-12 yards

[scarlet sable]

yeah outlaw smoking me

idk whatevr

i mean

[sweet dawn]

Target > 1? caustic stonks

[scarlet sable]

lol

alright guys im done

i quit

fan spears to funnel???

??

?

[past pebble]

Should i opnly cast kingsbane when i have deathmark?

[gaunt moat]

yes

wait

let me rephrase that

DM is 2m CD
KB is 1m

you use it with DM every 2 minutes

[past pebble]

got it thank you

im a noob

trying to pump more damage so was wondering if i should cast more kingsbane

ty ty

[gaunt moat]

one KB will be with DM, and the next one without

[subtle kettle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt moat]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[past pebble]

wa!

[gaunt moat]

exlamation mark first

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[past forum]

I think he might just be Wario

[buoyant mauve]

was there a command for mut/ambush macro depending on whether or not you are in dance stance?

[arctic socket]

Would it be better to Marco orc racial to dm or kb

[buoyant mauve]

if blood fury lasts long enough to hit the last tick of kb then you prob put it on dm I think

[stable storm]

!Up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[stable storm]

BUT WE DOWN

[buoyant mauve]

15 sec duration so I'd put it on kb

[gentle rover]

If my shadow priest PI'ing me on pull should I accelerate the ramp?

[limber lion]

No, just unlucky 5k PI value lost

[slim hamlet]

Tell your spriest to PI on your timer not his

[limber lion]

I mean, it's honestly probably fine to do an accelerated opening

I can see it being a small gain with PI

But eh

[limpid summit]

Is mastery super critical w assa? Im running outlaw in m+ so im pretty much all stacked in versa/crit, but outlaw feels so bad in raids so i’d want to raid w assa but dont really feel like gearing all slots for diff stat prio lol

[marble bear]

you guys were too good

[limber lion]

No

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[limpid summit]

Oh ok, ty!

[flint marsh]

do you have the current dr values

[marble bear]

you flew too close to the sun

ion notices assa was good

[limber lion]

Why does it matter?

What use is that information to you?

[limpid summit]

Whats dr values 😅

[limber lion]

I mean you can find em on wowhead fo sho

[flint marsh]

I’ve just been looking for them that’s all

[limber lion]

it's like 10% at 30%, 20% at 40% and so on

something like that

let me see if I can find the post

[woeful meteor]

10% is at 5,4k I think

[limber lion]

There you go

[flint marsh]

Cheers

[sweet shore]

Is this for all secondary stats?

[limber lion]

Yeh, mastery's a bit different though obviously

[flint marsh]

Mastery has its own calc

[sweet shore]

Thanks good to know the break points

[limber lion]

Why is it good to know them?

What does it change exactly

[sweet shore]

Better to understand sims and reevaluate why id want more of certain stats

I guess it’s more for me understanding

[limber lion]

Fair enough

It's super useless information for 99.99% of the playerbase

just use whatever the robot says and that's it

[sweet shore]

Yeah I like to understand just why lol

[limber lion]

but if you're interested in why that is, no harm in that

:P

[sweet shore]

I was about to say I don’t always like to ape brain and go sim say this I do this

[limber lion]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-mastery-works-world-of-warcraft

Here's the post about Mastery Points which talks more about the mastery scaling

[sweet shore]

Ohh cool thanks

Yeah I agree it’s useless info

But cool to know

[leaden cipher]

is there some fancy tech to signet brand, comparing logs my signet brand doesn't proc at all to other rogues. is it just bad rng?

[stiff pivot]

@leaden cipher

[balmy condor]

Just proc it more

[leaden cipher]

shiiiiit

[sweet shore]

Lol

[safe barn]

hey boys, just got back to the game, havent played since rashok

is wow analyzer still working for sin?

[leaden cipher]

its working but it doesn't cover everything you want to be watching or have valid criticism on usage. daddy whispy has a good log review video

[sweet shore]

Whispyr has a whole series on YouTube covering everything you’d need to know

[spice spire]

What whispyr

[scarlet sable]

got ig belt but have toxic belt and reg bracers with socket

what i do

[austere wadi]

Just wanted to check here before I fuck up a spark, is the safest first two crafts for someone who wants to play all specs boots/wrists? I noticed in the guides OL/Sub use feet/helm but sin doesnt want the helm cuz stats I imagine.

[rose dirge]

Assa m+ build with sudden demise instead of poison bomb and dt blades

Anyone know if its good?

[near valley]

I put mine on belt tbh

Wrists are for engineer stuff

For me at least

[spice spire]

Your first two should be your embellishments. Boots + whatever the heck you put them on

[rose dirge]

Crafts for multi spec is boots and belt/wrist

[austere wadi]

Sorry yeah that is what I meant. Embellised boots and what else I guess was the question. I see the value in the belt for me since I'm starting late not sure how many more weeks our guild will reclear Nymue/Igira for a mythic belt.

ty all

[rose dirge]

Its not that deep i would say, i crafted belt cuz i got good wrists with socket

Assa feels awful now tho, sub better, need sub for smolderon/fyrakk anyways

[austere wadi]

I thought nerf was only 3%

did I miss something?

[rustic minnow]

Are sub stats the same just no haste?

Wrong channel I guess

[deft vault]

any tips oin tindral mythic for having more than 4fps when roots spawn

[austere wadi]

Saying check the pins when the pins say exacyly what I typed

kekw

[snow hamlet]

Change your cpu

[rustic minnow]

Slow ur brain down to 4 fps and keep playing

[runic hinge]

Nerfs aren’t until Tuesday you feel craft champion

[slim hamlet]

Get WA that hides roots nameplates

Basically fixes all of the lag

[deft vault]

didnt fix jack shit for me

[slim hamlet]

krill issue

[spice spire]

Stealing my bit

Man wtf

[slim hamlet]

I am running on 1900 hardware and it fixed for me

I also changed details refresh rate

But was definitely mostly the nameplate

Also if u dont have, turn spell density down to essential

and if u use an addon for numbers, most can have a cutoff for minimum numbers shown

I turned mine down to 2k or 4k so there wouldnt be 100 spatter numbers a second

[deft vault]

is ur weakaura that hide name plate a chinese one?

[slim hamlet]

ehmmm

[safe barn]

Thanks bud! Will do! I just want to start with wowanalyzer because much has changed since I stopped, first I want to understand the basics to understand why we use what we use in the time we use

Might be confusing, sorry

[slim hamlet]

idk and I also cant seem to ifnd it now

oh its a plater script

https://wago.io/YMwUrtihk/1

[woven crater]

in aoe am i just swapping targets enough to apply garrotes or am i trying to spread rupture a bunch as well?

[spice spire]

Both yes

[safe barn]

!shiv

ok, no shiv

[leaden cipher]

Shiv dance KB, shiv before other shiv drops but late enough to cover kb

[spice spire]

What they said

[safe barn]

🐐

[spice spire]

[cerulean walrus]

Toilet paper binoculars

[spice spire]

Yeah and

[cerulean walrus]

Based

[cursive owl]

good morning

[spice spire]

GM GM

[cursive owl]

how is everyone ?

[spice spire]

About to sleep.
Awaiting this novel dropping beforehand

[cursive owl]

ah

[gaunt ocean]

I struggle hardcore on fyrakk heroic.. any tips for when to be using cooldowns? I use dm/kb at the start as you do all bosses. When Fyrakk is up in p2 should I hold and use cds on the adds?

[cursive owl]

just stood up for work, lets hope my bus is in time today

on fyrrak hc i use it on fyrrak when u have good cleave in add phase

if adds dont fall good , use it on one meteor and try spatter the screaming idiots

[safe barn]

so I always have to keep both for the KB?

[cursive owl]

yes misguided

[safe barn]

Hmm, ty

[spice spire]

Shiv is moved to be a kb only thing

While kb is played.
Until some new super insane tech comes

[cursive owl]

kb is your go to burst like arcane mage's arcane surge. u wanna pump what u have in it

[cerulean walrus]

God I love the fuck it we ball tech

[spice spire]

Real fere

[cursive owl]

what did i miss ?

oh i got my stats balanced a bit

i got from 58% crit to 45% and moved to haste 20% mastery 40% and vers 18%

[safe barn]

I see I see

Makes sense

A lot of stuff changed since Rashok

[spice spire]

Lil bit yeah

We’re a burst spec now

Instead of the damage graph being flat as the earth smh

[cursive owl]

[safe barn]

Seems like I always play with the burst spec, I played DF with sub

[spice spire]

Eh sub kinda flat too

[cursive owl]

i am thinking of reroling. i have fun on rogue but , wow doesnt meet my expectations anymore.

[spice spire]

There are strong rogue specs who deserve to get nerfed in every corner of the Earth
Unfortunately, the Earth is round.

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[cursive owl]

is sub difficult ?

[leaden cipher]

the earth is as flat as my damage graph (im really bad at using kings bane)

[spice spire]

So there’s a nuanced answer to this but not really

No spec is especially hard once you understand basic mechanics. But they all have quirks to add to the difficulty

[spice spire]

REAL

[cursive owl]

do you track your kb window right ?

[spice spire]

Think they’re just memeing

But now I’m concerned

[cursive owl]

so like, do you even know whats going on ?

[spice spire]

[cursive owl]

i will try to help everyone who needs help unless they argue like the 2 stupid ppl recently uwu

[spice spire]

Just @ me big dog

(I haven’t played this tier)

[cursive owl]

wdym ?

[spice spire]

Which part

Calling myself a stupid person or not playing

[cursive owl]

haha

nu

[unreal junco]

will sin be ok for keys next week?

[limber lion]

yes

[cursive owl]

i thought ure good ? like , theoretical u are above average u should be also good player , i dont see myself in need to help you

[limber lion]

he's just joking

[cursive owl]

i think im the noob here

[spice spire]

Yeah sorry

I’m very

Uh. Joke oriented

[cursive owl]

[spice spire]

In fact the only time I’m serious is often when people ask for help. Outside of that, I refuse to be

[cursive owl]

im being honest and u troll me

[limber lion]

Once you spend enough time in here you learn to appreciate Quake's jokes

[cursive owl]

i will tell daddy whispyr of that behaviour

[spice spire]

I’m definitely an acquired taste

[limber lion]

You and me both buddy

[cursive owl]

is ok

[ember mural]

[limber lion]

I help someone and they reply back with "whoa calm down there buddy"

[cursive owl]

im used to getting betrayed

[spice spire]

Listen man.
If people need the goat, there’s only one man that can fill those shoes.

Sometimes being kind and helping ain’t nice

[cursive owl]

i was joking

[spice spire]

Niceness isn’t everything

[limber lion]

Yeah I've gotten rid of the first part

No time for pleasure

only time for deeps

we ain't nice around these blocks

[spice spire]

Brother ur in driving distance to be acting up like that

[cursive owl]

the only valuable time is galakronds fall to get nick of time

[leaden cipher]

just hit them with a and afk ez

[limber lion]

Whispyr used to be really nice as well back when he was a red name and the first few months of his green name era

[spice spire]

And that’s why we’re a great team.
I’m that guy, and you’ll cut to the point. For people that need the nice pep talk guy. I’m him.

For someone who needs every decision scrutinized analyzed and fixed, you’re literally him

[cursive owl]

did u saw my question

[limber lion]

Based and true

[spice spire]

I also deal with schizos and dying people irl so like

Angry randos ain’t shit to me

[limber lion]

That's just me irl

[leaden cipher]

yeah im a certified green parse god

[cursive owl]

[limber lion]

Okay maybe not literally

[spice spire]

Real

[cursive owl]

am i able to get a purple color ? i like that over that pink

[spice spire]

Nah

[limber lion]

Never

[spice spire]

Purple is the ultimate pay grade unfortunately

[cursive owl]

wait

let me specify

its more blue than purple but has a purple tint. its like black light

[limber lion]

Good times

[spice spire]

Tier list of people:

• purple are the admins
• orange are the mods
• green are like. The people that are kinda mods and can do things but mostly not

[cursive owl]

oh

[spice spire]

I wasn’t even playing then big dog

In between my time

S

[limber lion]

it's been 5 years

what a long time

[cursive owl]

thanks for clarification.

[spice spire]

No worries king glad to help

[limber lion]

We don't get to choose our colors

[spice spire]

Hopefully one day they add more colors but for now it’s the standard 4

[cursive owl]

im no king

[limber lion]

the color chose us

[balmy condor]

@spice spire meow

[ember mural]

@spice spire meow

[cursive owl]

whispyr daddy awake

[spice spire]

Oh queen? Mb

The fuck

[limber lion]

Is that an order or

[leaden cipher]

can i get a rogue glyph for queens bane ty

[spice spire]

Will meow for iladies

[cursive owl]

i would like to have that

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice spire]

Whispyr close enough

[balmy condor]

Quake meows when I tell him to

[limber lion]

Get on it big man

[spice spire]

Pause

[cursive owl]

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-kid-candy-do-the-roar-ugly-gif-17256021

[spice spire]

I will not meow in VC

[cursive owl]

nice movie

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Sorry guys. But you know that costs extra

[cursive owl]

i can offer free wa service

[ember mural]

think im the only one here thats heard quake meow in VC

[spice spire]

Wait

[cursive owl]

does it sound like an earth quake ?

[spice spire]

Did I actually

[balmy condor]

It sounds like smooth vanilla

[cursive owl]

ohh

[ember mural]

pretty sure it was back in sepulchur

[cursive owl]

[spice spire]

Brother can’t say what I sound like irl

[spice spire]

I believe it

Oh I remember

Will top dam’d a boss

And I had to do it

[ember mural]

[balmy condor]

U talking mad shit for a brother who’s name and birthday I am aware of

[safe barn]

!deathmark

[spice spire]

You know my birthday?

[spice spire]

Cooldown.

[safe barn]

just wanted to know if we delay dm for the kb

[spice spire]

Should line up fairly close

Yeah you always want together

[ember mural]

youre a week apart

[cursive owl]

6.9.1420 ?

[fervent jasper]

Is 310k overall an impressive number for a sin rogue running a key with a disc priest and an auggie?

[spice spire]

Yeah but that implies year too

[balmy condor]

I know many things

[spice spire]

Which is also loosely available since many of us are the same age

[cursive owl]

which key

[spice spire]

Tf do you know

[fervent jasper]

DHT

[drifting cloud]

youre an eboy quake so youre like 29 max

[spice spire]

31 actually bozo

[drifting cloud]

thats basically 29

[spice spire]

Ur right

[cursive owl]

i dunno man , depends on pulls and other players. 310k sounds like average without buffs in a +18

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Don’t start man Smdh

Meowing is banned in VC as of 10.0. Rip the old guild

[cursive owl]

meow

[spice spire]

[cursive owl]

good day fellas , work time o/ see u later

[balmy condor]

Quake are you in the market for a new kitten

[spice spire]

Numbers mean almost nothing rawdog. Context matters a lot.
If you’re low pulling yeah sounds great. If you’re doming 20% per pull it’s probably low

[spice spire]

Too soon man

[balmy condor]

I can fix him

[leaden cipher]

cursed

[spice spire]

Nah bro. I’m on my zone arc rn

[fervent jasper]

I was just watching this video of Sybelissa doing a +25 DHT yesterday and in the title he brags about 312k dps which sounded like a shit ton but then I noticed he had an auggie and a disc priest and now I'm wondering if that's even an impressive number. Especially compared to an outlaw rogue

[spice spire]

Which means seli is about to be my kitten ig

[balmy condor]

Based

Love older men

[spice spire]

That’s why ur looking at me eh?

[balmy condor]

That’s why I’m looking at 95% of this channel

I’m keeping my options open

Hot commodity

[spice spire]

Yeah you are

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[spice spire]

Would

[balmy condor]

Wood

[spice spire]

Literally me rn

[fervent jasper]

Also Sybelissa doesn't envenom at 4cp ever

Are we not supposed to do that anymore?

[mighty nexus]

4cp envenom is the way

[balmy condor]

Who tf is that

[gusty mirage]

???????????

[balmy condor]

????? Halal

[mighty nexus]

Some dude playing rogue in keys on YT

[gusty mirage]

I'm telling gabi

[balmy condor]

Do it

She knows

[spice spire]

Bros into eboys man

I’m him

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

bro

who even asked you

[spice spire]

Ur pops

[drifting cloud]

thats why he got my prime this month

[spice spire]

If you sass me again I’ll lay down the law

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-5852775606711249238

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-gaming-gif-27702118

im pulling boss again in 14h

[balmy condor]

Me too

[spice spire]

Why the

[drifting cloud]

why the what

[spice spire]

Why’s this mf pulling the boss 11 am

[drifting cloud]

its his eu side guild

[spice spire]

ahh

[balmy condor]

Y’all think tindral lays eggs

Or does it change depending on form

[clever perch]

gimme a DHT fortified build for +26

im confused about what to play

[balmy condor]

My guess is human form puts down the pipe, moonkin and flight form lays eggs, tree form spreads seeds

[clever perch]

i saw this: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFRVFRRFUVQmJBQCRAMVVRUVUYUEUoVBE

is it good?

no ct no carnage

[spice spire]

Could have grouped human and tree together

That seems awful

Ngl

[slim hamlet]

U aint ever playing no IC in m+

[balmy condor]

Nah tree form is like kidney stone seeds

[spice spire]

Yeah literally me bozo

[slim hamlet]

wtf are u guys talking about

[balmy condor]

Brother this is a single target build

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[balmy condor]

Wrong link

[slim hamlet]

It has spatter tho

also no iron wire 💀

[spice spire]

Okay it’s a gnarlroot build

[slim hamlet]

and igira

and larry

and tindral

and fyrakk

[spice spire]

Wish you’d larodon deez nuts

[balmy condor]

If someone actually plays that in m+ they need to be lobotomized

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

Danger to public safety

[spice spire]

Brother,

You okay?

[slim hamlet]

Time to go in lfg

I have played cleave with CT

Why not this

[balmy condor]

M+ players are a scourge on society

[spice spire]

Aight since whispyr is here.
Gn gamers. Good luck on your keys or whatever the fuck you do at night

[slim hamlet]

Do u actually dislike M+ from the start, or did u just beging disliking it because spec sucked cock ass in it

[clever perch]

idk

[slim hamlet]

[clever perch]

would u rather take the cleave build or the arterial shock for that one?

[slim hamlet]

Bro played no IC in that dung too

[indigo mulch]

[slim hamlet]

Cleave seems to just be strictly better for higher keys because this season is weird

[balmy condor]

Yep, straight to the gulag

[slim hamlet]

and all that matters are single mobs and bosses

[balmy condor]

M+ players

Have gone too far

[clever perch]

xD

[jaunty nest]

what missive do we get

for assassination rogue?

[indigo mulch]

Missive of greatness

[slim hamlet]

the ones that sim the highest

[jaunty nest]

uhh

im stil bti new i havent worked out how to sim

[indigo mulch]

You should sim it. :p

Oh

[slim hamlet]

There are probably loads of guides

[indigo mulch]

Just copy whatever fuu has in his sheet i guess.

[slim hamlet]

idk if they actually go further than top gear tho

[runic hinge]

There’s a command for how to sim

[slim hamlet]

[drifting cloud]

can rio still import wrong stuff?

[runic hinge]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[slim hamlet]

!sim

[runic hinge]

Got it

[drifting cloud]

like surely theres no shot they timed a 27 dht 2.5min to spare

[slim hamlet]

Nah was totally me

trust

[drifting cloud]

without the guy even playing ic

[slim hamlet]

Why not

[balmy condor]

There’s this kdrama called sweet home, where people get cursed and the voices in their head eventually win them over and turn them into mindless superhuman monsters

That’s m+

[drifting cloud]

because its a 27 not a 22

[slim hamlet]

Only bears, guardians (or whatever their name is), bosses and bats matter

[balmy condor]

The only way to kill the monsters is to burn them

[craggy basin]

i fucking love you lol

best reference ever

[indigo mulch]

I love kdramas 😦

[slim hamlet]

Well we are all just nerds

some just play one minigame, some the other, most both

[indigo mulch]

Don't mess with my kdramas whispyr.

[craggy basin]

sweet home is a good one

[indigo mulch]

=|

[slim hamlet]

m+ meta is fake anyway

Kush playing sub in 29 keys

doing close to dh dmg and is unkillable

everything is fake

[balmy condor]

M+ players actually are incapable of thinking for themselves

[indigo mulch]

[snow hamlet]

[slim hamlet]

I have thought a lot myself

[drifting cloud]

no but like you could easily troll rio with changing stuff before, or is that not a thing anymore

[slim hamlet]

U can yea

[balmy condor]

It’s just one giant cuck fest where one person sucks the builds out of the other persons tit like some devolved human centipede

[slim hamlet]

a group played dev evoker and no healer on atal and killed first boss 4 dps and then changed to pres

[balmy condor]

Blind leading the blind

[slim hamlet]

and everyone was like "OMG ATAL SO EASY U CAN 4 DPS IT"

[drifting cloud]

oh right you had to do it at start

hmm

[indigo mulch]

I have to admit something though. I've been playing sub on smolderon prog. I'm actually a secret closet sub enjoyer. After years of one tricking sin ;C

[slim hamlet]

tbf atal is probably doable with 4 dps until like 25 keys

if the 4 dps are dh, aug, warlock and idk warrior

[spice spire]

PSA: this discord is the most misleading, herd of sheep, n*zi community to exist for rogues. Led by no io having, no experience having SIM BOT SLAVE bafoons, all the poor people trying to play rogue are led into the darkness with misinformation and lies about builds, legendaries, and damage expectation for the rogue class - all based on numbers and NONE on experience or logic. IF YOU ARE TRYING TO LEARN ROGUE, FLEE FROM THIS DISCORD AND ASK REAL ROGUE PLAYERS WITH IO OR RAID LOGS HOW TO PLAY THE CLASS. like someone doing fantasy football saying they know shit about how to play football.

[drifting cloud]

surely you cant 4 dps the totem boss

[indigo mulch]

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry5-hello-hello-based-department-gif-26042779

holy

[balmy condor]

Also I loved m+, the community fucking ruined it

[spice spire]

Bro that comment is so old people don’t know the lore

Wild

[drifting cloud]

whispyr loved m+ (the tier where he played outlaw)

[slim hamlet]

That is the only one I thought about too, but idk if u all dwarfs u prolly can

with the aug going full defense or something

[slim hamlet]

idk just seems like a classic based message to me

I don't see a single mistake

[spice spire]

It was based on something

[slim hamlet]

maybe saurids or whatever can be a problem with 4 dps too

[storm forum]

I like M+ until the first greatpush/MDI of the season

and then the cretins come out of the woodwork

[slim hamlet]

I dislike m+ until the first greatpush of the season

So I know what to finally reroll

thank god

[storm forum]

lmao

[slim hamlet]

anyways it will be mage + warlock + dh + rdrood + prot pala

[jaunty nest]

what does it mean when my stamina is in red?

[slim hamlet]

embellish

[spice spire]

Toxic thorn boots dropped your stamina from its base

[storm forum]

toxic thorn boots giving you minus stam

its normal

you will never reach 800k

[slim hamlet]

what has Whispyr been cooking for 5 mins

[slim hamlet]

I am on 815k right now

[storm forum]

whispyr about to blend us back to the shadow realm

[jaunty nest]

aa ok ty ty

also i think i messed up

what is considered a embellishment

cus i cannot equip something else rn

[slim hamlet]

the ones with "unique-embellish" tag

or something close to that

[storm forum]

embelishments are crafted items with that tag yeah

some are standalone, like the toxic boots. some are modular like the toxic patch or BSL

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor your mental is safe, Im dumb enough to check zmoks vods

and the rogue def has ic

[storm forum]

you can have 2 at a time only

[jaunty nest]

ohh ok ty ty

[slim hamlet]

man

no IC, no ironwire build would have been so based in a 27

[spice spire]

Dumb or smart enough?

[storm forum]

someone please tell me there was some talent swapping shenanigans

[spice spire]

Because I did t think of that

[storm forum]

like you start/end with ST build for a boss, but play most of the dungeon normally

[slim hamlet]

Who cares what the top players are playing anyways?? (legit every single player, even +3 andys)

[spice spire]

Bro this novel going brazy

[slim hamlet]

He is still cooking

what the flip

If it's one of those chatgpt looking ass again

Maybe he just fell asleep on the keyboard

[drifting cloud]

just incase you dont trust (I wouldnt trust myself aswell)

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

I’d trust you with my life

[exotic rose]

Hey gentlemen, is the Power Infusion option on Raidbots reliable for Assa?

[slim hamlet]

Man there has been 3 messages in the past 5+ hours in destro chat

More dead than s1/s2 off-topic-2*

[slim hamlet]

ye

[balmy condor]

M+ was really fun, and then people cranked their week long push sessions, and then other people cranked their push sessions, and then blizzard had to curb the giga pulls to make it “competitive”, they added target caps, endless artifact power grinds were degen because of m+, early season gear was/is degen because of m+, you got shit like farming 45 dawns in a week.

Legit every issue in the last 3 expansions can be traced back to degen m+ gameplay and people no lifing their way through the same dungeons 10+ hours a day mindlessly.

And then they start going fucking crazy right? Anyone would after depleting their 17th atal dazar of the week. And that’s when they lose it. They start feelcrafting absolute fucking nonsense, chasing ghosts. If I swap this 2% talent for this other 2% talent, we time the 28, and then I’m free. I don’t have to do it anymore, I get my 8 magic internet points.

And then everyone sees this guy actually melting his brain out through his ears onto his keyboard. No coherent thoughts remain in this persons head. And they revere them as a god. The one to conquer the same dungeon they’re dungeon but 10% harder. This is Jesus risen once again. And then these people also don’t think, right? They just copy whatever the guy with biggest internet point is doing. Or they tap into YouTube and click the video with the biggest number after a + they can find. It’s the death of understanding why things happen in the order they happen in. Season 1, everyone dropped iron wire, unplayable. Now it’s the best talent on the tree for some reason even though nothing changed. “I only play for aoe, aoe is what times keys” they say and then untalent every aoe talent on the tree. It’s worse than feelcrafting, these subhumans actively gaslight themselves into coming up with reasons for why they failed regardless of its merit or mathematically proven impact. Just one more single target talent and we would’ve killed. If I had a restealth I would’ve had enough energy. If if if, believe me, trust, I saw X person do Y thing and he timed. I can time it too if I do it, please you have to listen.

And I’m powerless to stop it. Actually nothing to be done. No Restealths on cleave build? -0.6%. Shut up whispyr I saw some guy release a 10.2 assassination guide and he said no damage if no restealth, his internet points bigger than yours

Thats why I fucking hate m+ players.

[slim hamlet]

Aintnoway

I just closed my pc

[somber fractal]

nice manifesto

[spice spire]

This is an all-timer I’m so glad I stayed up for this

Gn for real now

[slim hamlet]

Saving that for another time

Wait

People​ dropped iron wire in s1?

[thorn fjord]

preach

[balmy condor]

Constantly

Zerocool did it for more dps

[shy pecan]

gn

[slim hamlet]

I mean

Other than zerocool

[balmy condor]

Yes ofc

[slim hamlet]

[drifting cloud]

assa didnt exist in s1 keys stop lying

its a new spec

[shy pecan]

[slim hamlet]

Well now I'll have to try it

[slate crown]

People are apes. It's the whole meta being driven by community perception and not actual viability

[slim hamlet]

It's an mmo

[balmy condor]

Degen raiding at least has an end right

You kill boss

It’s done

[slim hamlet]

Actually every game

[balmy condor]

Degen m+ has no end

It’s just ranked league

Gg go next

Queue again

[slim hamlet]

Is fun tho

[slate crown]

Forever games

[slim hamlet]

I love pugging my keys to 25 for free and then dropping it to 22 in 30 minutes and then doing it again

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/paimon-genshin-impact-gif-3908335895994298600

[slate crown]

i thought u were going to bed

[slim hamlet]

No lol

[spice spire]

I don’t sleep bozo

[slim hamlet]

Smart

[snow hamlet]

"Internet points" vividly describes some people's psychological activities

[slim hamlet]

It's a social construct to get us in the rat trap that is eat-sleep-work-repeat

[snow hamlet]

[slim hamlet]

They know if we have 8 hours more of the day we would revolt

[spice spire]

True and real

[midnight atlas]

i just tried the zerocool bait build in some 20s and now im coming here to this lol

[ashen rover]

this is the best thing ive read tonight

[spice spire]

Eight hours of shit posting a day

Minimum

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor are you sending long arms on tindral or you waiting for100 wipes first

[balmy condor]

Waiting

Seems fine atm

Might get worse later

If it does I’ll swap

No need atm though

[drifting cloud]

just need 3 pulls when boss gets pulled out of your melee when youre rooted

[balmy condor]

Yeah probably

I’ll burn that bridge when I get to it

[fast fog]

Triggered

[gilded oasis]

r u ok?

[spice spire]

No

[gilded oasis]

go to sleep old fart

[balmy condor]

I’m great

[spice spire]

Literal grandmother speaking?

[gilded oasis]

[balmy condor]

Just insane burnt out on m+ conversations at this point

It’s the same shit every day

[spice spire]

Honestly given your track record. That’s impressive. You put up with a lot of nonsense

[balmy condor]

I saw insert random rogue run insert whack talents/trinket

[gilded oasis]

true

[balmy condor]

Thoughts?

[gilded oasis]

I soaked circles on Nymue about as long as I was on boss, thoughts?

[balmy condor]

Amen

[gilded oasis]

spent almost 2.5 mins standing around

[balmy condor]

The way assa should play

[spice spire]

PK gamers?

[gilded oasis]

idk I watched them wipe 2 nights I saw what was wrong and I fixed it, killed it in 5 pulls.

[balmy condor]

I want to open my sim and see the time spent pie chart white as snow

I’m racist against that time spent chart

[gilded oasis]

so brave of you

[balmy condor]

50% waiting time

50% white

Like logic

[spice spire]

Bro

You good

Legit@worried about ur mental

[gilded oasis]

No he needs cookies quick

I made some fudge today

[balmy condor]

Vodka redbull carrying my mental

[spice spire]

Wait

A what red bull

It’s joever

[gilded oasis]

v o d k a

[spice spire]

I expect to wake up to

[gilded oasis]

its alcohol

[spice spire]

An infamous message

[gilded oasis]

its clear

[balmy condor]

Vodka my beloved

[gilded oasis]

smells like rubbing alcohol

[drifting cloud]

the rant was last coherent msg

for today

[spice spire]

Can’t wait for the Diet Pepsi talk

[balmy condor]

Fuck you I could be blacked sending voice memos and I’d still intellectually gap m+ one tricks

I could 1 v 10 in a coma

[spice spire]

God I wish you’d black out and send me voice messages

[balmy condor]

No you don’t

[spice spire]

I’m legitimately surprised how tame I was after drinking yesterday.
Not that I’ve ever been a crazy one. But legit coherent messages, was so proud

[safe barn]

!smart

do we still have that wa of smart misdirect?

[mighty nexus]

https://wago.io/n9Sg1NLb5

[runic hinge]

you should be glad you didnt get any dms from me

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/every-day-every-day-i-wake-up-i-wake-up-marriage-story-marriage-story-wake-up-gif-19948669

[willow flare]

what you guys think about the next nerv on assa how hard hit this 3%

[balmy condor]

pins

[royal lantern]

damn, i missed a meltdown

you ok whisp

[balmy condor]

yes

also it's only a meltdown if I lose my sanity

I was sane the entire way through

I'd consider it more of a warning than anything

[gentle burrow]

hello fellow future sub rogues

jkjk

hope people arent dooming that much and keep whispyr sanity

[cursive owl]

yes

i am thinking of reroling sub

[gentle burrow]

my take is that if you enjoy sin keep playing sin

sub rogue is a whole different class

[rigid arrow]

kinda miss playing sub

[cursive owl]

ye

but im delusional about not being dps1 in our raid ._.

[gentle burrow]

are you going for hall of fame?

[cursive owl]

no

[gentle burrow]

then doesnt matter

play what u want

[cursive owl]

i am going for , i want at least 1 x 100 log for 1 addon

[gentle burrow]

well, logs arent based on the best overall dps

but the dps of your spec

[cursive owl]

i know

but

i cant attend hc raid

im full nhc

cause work times

i wanna try a raid group for 18-21 pm

[gentle burrow]

but how would playing sub change that

its heroic

the "meta" specs are only relevant if youre pushing for high end content

im progging mythic with a windwalker guildie

[cursive owl]

gg

da thing is , if i can reach higher dps with same gear as sub

[marble ruin]

"Season 1, everyone dropped iron wire, unplayable. Now it’s the best talent on the tree for some reason even though nothing changed." I hope you don't think that's true.

the nothing has changed part

[gentle burrow]

if you pick up sub out of nowhere without knowledge you will do less

not more

[cursive owl]

ok

[royal lantern]

wdym, people always jump from "X is op UTILITY" to "X UTILITY DOESNT MATTER NOBODY PLAYS THE SPEC"

like

s1 bfa? "omg assa so op, 6sec silence on 3targets on pull, how can outlaw ever be good against that???"

s2 happens

"wtf gouge is so op, people play outlaw only cus of gouge, silence is USSULES"

[gentle burrow]

wait

people said gouge is op?

oh ur talking of bfa

[quiet oar]

You are still sane?

[silk bane]

this is the most true and real thing youve ever said. season 4 sl everyone in their moms basement running bdk? oh man bdk was so good u had amz and grip and blind and .. and its like stop coping man, spec just did more damage than half the dps and literally could solo dungeons and still time.

its just damage

[gentle burrow]

i only played s1 SL

but i have...

memories

ill just post a picture rlly quick

[royal lantern]

wdym most true and real thing

[gentle burrow]

10 seconds later

[balmy condor]

what changed

enlighten me

iron wire was stronger in season 1 than now

carnage was stronger than now

what changed is carnage got weaker

[cursive owl]

[balmy condor]

in fact, people care way more about bosses this season than ever before

and those guys can't be silenced

so what is it

it's not the talent tree

and it's not the dungeons

[cursive owl]

its the meme'z

[balmy condor]

if I'm wrong I'm wrong

but I don't get why it would be better to drop iron wire back then compared to it being a sin now

I can't think of an explanation

hell, aoe cc in general is less in demand now that we have aoe blind as a stop as well

we have more tools than ever

iron wire on paper has never been this devalued before by the rest of the kit

I'm at a loss

please

help me

[midnight atlas]

are you sure you're not just mad because of your wowhead guide writer ego that's attacked by the people who use niche specs in content you don't even touch?

or maybe its the scrubs who don't know how to play the game and you have to babysit in this discord because they follow the niche-spec players?

[balmy condor]

all of the above

[midnight atlas]

fuck em let them play however they want.

they got the tools. you're getting mad for people you don't even meet

[balmy condor]

no, I'm getting mad cause it's impacting the game and actively going against my work

some m+ player does some cooked shit

and then I'm supposed to be at whim and beg

whispyr why they do that

guide wrong?

and then I'm expected to justify how other people play

and if I say that they're playing wrong, well that can't be, they're rated top whatever in the world

and then we start not trusting sims and all sorts of nonsense

happens legit every patch

[buoyant herald]

This would all go much smoother if you stopped hiding the secret tech

Which is the single reason I can’t get my portals

[static fable]

"hey look whispyr, they're using ashes instead of branch, its better!"

[balmy condor]

real and true

[gaunt moat]

Ashes IS better.

[marble ruin]

IW is a lot stronger with the carnage rework and stealth, also nobody played assassin in season one or two other than people who really love the spec so 0 tanks would take advantage of it. That's all from my point of view. I think I know what happened now though. You were probably getting a lot of dms from people challenging your guides and I understand why it would make you mad

*shadowdance not stealth

[balmy condor]

shadow dance does add wire value, that's true

but tanks still don't play around it

[marble ruin]

tanks know about it now at least

[balmy condor]

yeh sure but no tank worth a damn is playing around it, they just expect it to exist

[marble ruin]

but I always considered you a inteligent guy so I was wondering why you wouldn't see how much strong it was this season than 1 and 2

[balmy condor]

cause it isn't

carnage is weaker

by a good chunk

[marble ruin]

it applies every time you get a re thats big

[balmy condor]

it did that before as well

with wire

[marble ruin]

for 3 targets if IC was on CD

[balmy condor]

it's more access to a weaker effect

[marble ruin]

now you can shut down a pack

tanks don't really care about the DR

its all about the silence of IW

[balmy condor]

in the situation where you need to chain the silence, sure

[balmy condor]

I mean they should

shit goes crazy

[marble ruin]

maybe a dk

[balmy condor]

party wide DR is bonkers

[marble ruin]

1 and 2 you think a bear noticed a 15% dr?

[balmy condor]

there's enough aoe stops out there to cover the things that you won't silence

but a 15% dr is real good

I mean even in raid, think of something like tindral roots

you aoe blind

they all deal less damage

[grim jay]

People taking talents to get 15% dr
do you think the tank will notice

[balmy condor]

iron wire same thing

[marble ruin]

I think so too but nobody really notices it other than maybe a dk

[balmy condor]

I play with tank tc's, they notice quite frequently

[marble ruin]

I can tell you why I didn't play it in season 2, I stopped playing it in Shadow moon out of pure laziness

and I just kept playing without it cause it seemed like nobody carred lol

[cursive owl]

laziness

[balmy condor]

I mean that's on you

[marble ruin]

true but as somebody who didn't play it last season I felt part of your rant was aimmed at people like me

[balmy condor]

good

it was

I'm glad I reached the target audience

[marble ruin]

well thats why I was telling you you're way off base

if you think its not stronger this season

and am kind of shocked you couldn't come to that conclusion on your own

but ig you can't sim it

[balmy condor]

you are entitled to your opinion

if you think it's stronger

then that's fine

I'm skeptical about it

at any rate, the fact that you formed an opinion and defended it already puts you a solid length ahead of the masses I referred to in the rant

so I'm quite happy tbh

[grim jay]

You werent that kind to the people that argued about sub rupture vs sin rupture

[balmy condor]

it's a utility talent, if he sees the difference in the value more than I do that's fine