#assassination

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slim hamlet
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We still appreciate u

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U act like sanguine blades doesn't exist

native topaz
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Thanks

junior yoke
slim hamlet
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Huh

manic quartz
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^

junior yoke
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Gonna start play dh bye

slim hamlet
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Huh

manic quartz
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^

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😄

gusty mirage
junior yoke
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? Wtf no

slim hamlet
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I heard they are 100% fully dead

junior yoke
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Come as an aug evoker

slim hamlet
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Better reroll to green rogue

junior yoke
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Btw guys

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Are there like a lot less aug evoker than before or it’s just me?

slim hamlet
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Think so too

jade wedge
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Yeah, because devastation is again viable pick

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So most evokers rolled back to dps

junior yoke
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Maybe some healer

jade wedge
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I'm seeing a lot of dev

slim hamlet
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I think it's mostly logs being fucked

jade wedge
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And couple of augs

slim hamlet
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Dev still low playrate and aug still super high

junior yoke
slim hamlet
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But certainly less in m+

jade wedge
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But in raid you still want to have Augs

junior yoke
jade wedge
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Since theyre so fucking good in buffing raid

junior yoke
slim hamlet
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We acting like 95+% of high keys aren't done with aug either

junior yoke
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I’m about 465 ilvl so I do 17-18s

slim hamlet
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But it's harder to find pug augs for 23-25 key range

scarlet sable
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just got hourglass but i have pips

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time to hit sims

manic quartz
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is the variance of the poison stacks you get during kb high? sometimes i feel like i get 30+ and sometimes 60+ (using notters kb wa to track) even tho i compare kb windows that have 100% uptime on enveonom/shiv

scarlet sable
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So pips for M+ Hourglass for Raid?

manic quartz
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Mythic pips sims better than 6/6 hero hourglass for me atleast in st

scarlet sable
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i have hero both and hourglass sims higher ST

manic quartz
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sounds about right, pips aint but few hundred dps better for me than hourglass

tawny depot
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btw guys also

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is using crimson tempest in m+ as a dot on a boss worth?

scarlet sable
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idk what to use for keys tho

tawny depot
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or only 4 targets min?

manic quartz
tawny depot
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ok thanks

scarlet sable
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i suppose with caustic higher ST is better?

flat kindle
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
jade abyss
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
narrow bridge
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Hello guys, it's not very clear on the Wowhead guide, but what am I supposed to craft first as Assa?

spice surge
narrow bridge
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Love you, thanks a lot

gusty mirage
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I don't have anything to add, but I also love you @spice surge

spice surge
scarlet sable
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so should i pips or hourglass for keys

woeful meteor
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sim it, I think pip wins at max ilvl but idk by how much

scarlet sable
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yeah

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dslice right?

woeful meteor
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ye

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dslice no buffs except lust and consumables

scarlet sable
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i imagine itll be pips for keys hourglass for raid

halcyon hamlet
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failed everbloom, was doing 440k before wipe

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scarlet sable
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hornpub

slim hamlet
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Huh

scarlet sable
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that is indeed what sims say

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pips keys

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hourglass ST

halcyon hamlet
manic quartz
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on mythic nymue i use 2nd KB to add and then it desyncs DM/KB so do i wait for KB and hold DM for it?

royal lantern
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yes

edgy musk
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on subcreation I see the most popular build now is without crimson tempest, is that a 4p thing or what is the reason for it?

lime crypt
past forum
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Envenomous Explosion go burrrr

lime crypt
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So you might aswell send it more single target

past forum
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Is it normal for adds to be separated from boss on mythic Larry?

woeful meteor
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They should spawn under boss and just get killed there

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third set you move away from them since you have the lava debuff, but they follow the boss unless you never kick

past forum
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Are you saying they spawn wherever the boss is or that the boss should be tanked where they spawn? Cause where we’re tanking him, they’re a solid 5-10 yards away from the boss.

pure sail
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That is if they key is high enough

woeful meteor
past forum
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Ahhh okay that makes sense. Cause we have some ranged who love to be off on a different continent for whatever reason

oak tangle
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40 yd's means you gotta stand 40 yds away right?

past forum
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Surely

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They’re just trying to fight back against the aug menace and outrange ebon might

oak tangle
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the only people who get my sympathy are frost mages

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they need that distance to shatter stuff properly

lean portal
edgy musk
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Thanks for the feedback, guess im going CT then.. why play when I cant pad:)

errant swallow
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Hey everyone

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how much of a dps loss is replacing wafting with sophic?

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(I know I should sim, I can't atm, I'm on the phone)

slate crown
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It’s not just you should sim, we literally can’t answer the question without your character

sturdy mesa
slate crown
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And it might be a gain even for you

errant swallow
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thank you @slate crown

slate crown
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Only you can tell

errant swallow
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I just figured I'd ask while waiting for food

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I'm lucky to have a priest in the raid tho

slim hamlet
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Gnome user spotted

errant swallow
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lol

slim hamlet
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Alright that gif was irritating

errant swallow
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sall good, I'm used to being bullied

tawny depot
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would u guys say that assas is the hardest of the 3 specs to play in m+? Is sub good atm?

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i tried outlaw and found it very hard lol

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i love the flow of assas

errant swallow
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Outlaw > assassination > sub

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M+

tawny depot
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ok

tawny depot
errant swallow
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That's performance

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I personally enjoy assassination/sub

wind falcon
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
hollow heron
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I find outlaw more tricky to play than sin

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It’s quite a bit more reactionary

fresh wadi
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what does the pooling practice tool do? theres no pictures or descriptions on the wago page, just curious

woeful meteor
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!pooling

prisma monolithBOT
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Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

  • If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
  • Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
  • Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
  • With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
woeful meteor
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think whispyr explains it in the video

fresh wadi
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ok thank you 🙂

errant swallow
radiant shadow
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!mutilate

balmy condor
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interesting command

gray crest
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i gotchu

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mutilate: press it

royal lantern
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
little cove
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corrupting rage debuff doesnt pull you out of stealth?

balmy condor
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they fixed it a while ago I think

ancient kraken
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smol trinket does

hushed fable
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I saw a lot of people complaining about it, especially during shroud, but it never happened to me personally, even back in s2.

little cove
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man ive been avoiding it for that reason

balmy condor
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!stealthbreak

prisma monolithBOT
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Stealth can break from:

  • evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
  • Essence trinket on buff gain
  • Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
  • Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into unison (spec capstone)
  • Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
  • Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)
lucid rain
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Misterweaver

little cove
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xd

balmy condor
little cove
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yeah

balmy condor
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trolling

little cove
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i mean ive been using vers

balmy condor
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yeah

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exactly

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the difference between crit and vers flasks

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is more than if you never restealthed ever again

hushed fable
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Using Corrupting rage frees you from needing a lot of crit on gear, so you can allocate stats better between haste, mastery, versa if needed.

little cove
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yeah... im on 7k crit now xD

loud hearth
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Is the accelerated opener on Larodar just skipping the first envenom?
Thought it was in one of Whispyr's vids but couldn't find it

balmy condor
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yep

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just gar rup and slam

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well, gar rup snd

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snd is muy importante

winter vapor
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specific only to larodar?

balmy condor
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not really

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but on larodar you can't skip rupture

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cause you need caustic

storm forum
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you could probably do it on Nymue if you dont need second KB for adds but you probably want it for the adds

balmy condor
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yeh that's troll

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don't do that on nymue

winter vapor
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cheers 🙂

balmy condor
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you have to have something tangible that you're gaining

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like caustic ramp

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or a better timing for a damage increase phase

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otherwise you're just doing a shitty opener

storm forum
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maybe 1 more KB cast?

balmy condor
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nah

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you're accellerating 6-7 seconds at most

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not 45 seconds

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planning your cds 5-6 minutes in advance to maybe get 1 more cast

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is actually impossible

storm forum
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if you accelerate on nymue, you're not holding kb for the add, so you're not waiting 10-15 seconds when you get back to boss after the adds

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for DM KB

void pendant
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Does Caustic Splatter cause Kingsbane damage to cleave?

balmy condor
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all nature damage yes

void pendant
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Well that explains my AoE damage being so 💩

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TY

balmy condor
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but he's an unreasonable man

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I'd never recommend it to a normal person

storm forum
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yeah agreed

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not having KB for middle add also sounds grief as hell

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but maybe on farm

balmy condor
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I might try it on reclear next week cause we're close to skipping 3rd add set

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but I'm also like 15% of the tree damage

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so

storm forum
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make someone else be 15% of tree damage

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share the dps

balmy condor
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yeh if only

spice spire
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You got nerfed others got buffed

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They should do more

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Ez

robust axle
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I feel like I'm doing something wrong on Larodar - I see Rogues with roughly 20% damage with envenom, while my own is around 12% ish

balmy condor
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are you accounting for the tier set

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and poison bomb

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logs combines those

fickle latch
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Whats best spec for Larodar atm Sin>outlaw

robust axle
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ohh

fickle latch
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We just starting it

balmy condor
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you can click the little arrow, it's just a dropdown

balmy condor
serene grove
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How big of an impact will the 3% nerf have?

balmy condor
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3%

serene grove
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That's on me

fickle latch
serene grove
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Do we think this 3% will put sin where blizzard wants it to be as a spec

balmy condor
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isn't that the intention of every tuning change

serene grove
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It's the intention. Isn't always reality

balmy condor
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okay

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so if blizzard's intention is to get the spec where it wants it

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and they tune

storm forum
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3% nerf is a buff cause itll make the fotm rerollers play OL

balmy condor
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and they see in like 2 weeks that its not where they want it

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they will tune again

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and if it's where they want it

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they won't tune

sick abyss
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Hey guys, what addons do you use to have more talents stored?

balmy condor
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I have one but I don't use it so I have no clue what it's called

sick abyss
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lol thank you 😛

balmy condor
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I've been trying to remember

storm forum
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its like ex talent load out lmk look it up rn

balmy condor
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but I realize that I've never actually used it

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maybe I should get rid of that when I go home

storm forum
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Talent Loadout Ex

junior yoke
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did u guys see trinket?

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storm forum
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i use it on my priest

sick abyss
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amazing, thanks

storm forum
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my rogue, idk, the base amount is enough

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i know all the talent swaps by heart for sin

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sub has 1 build

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OL doesnt exist cause i dont have a sword

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priest though, priest i play all 3 specs and theres a bunch of variations for disc and shadow that i cannot memorize

dim valley
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!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
shy axle
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am i dumb or was the st specc at the start of the season with imp ambush and now changes to tight spenders

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never bothered to look again

balmy condor
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yep

bronze flicker
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how come outlaw sim so much higher for me even though im full mastery

balmy condor
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because you think stats will swing damage much more than they actually do

bronze flicker
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but its like very big diffrance in outlaw dmg compared to sin

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in dungeon slice atleast but still ol win in single target aswell but feels like something wrong

balmy condor
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nope that's normal

bronze flicker
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ok

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ty

fickle latch
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In larodar should i change Branch for My´das ? Hard to play trinket on this fight it seams. I Also Have Signet brand and Pips. Opinions needed thanks.

balmy condor
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if you change branch for anything at all it should be an ashes

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my'das is not a replacement

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they don't do even close to the same thing

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but branch is fine

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you just have to pay attention to the orbs on the 2 min

royal lantern
woven crater
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Hi! New assassination player here, I feel like there are multiple points in bosses where I just have like no energy, is that normal?

balmy condor
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yes

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it's a slow spec

past pebble
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Does anyone have suggestions/recommendations for a WA package for assassination rouge that helps with rotation priority. For example Elsemere's Holy Paladin WA package was wonderful. Thank you in advance.

balmy condor
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
livid finch
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I was doing some sin research and I saw kush dropping DS for stretchy arms isnt that just a big dps lose despite you know the extra range

balmy condor
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depends how much value you get out of acro

past forum
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Whispyr, I saw someone earlier mention an accelerated larry opener in one of your recent vids. Do you remember which one that was?

remote grail
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not reaching is also a dps loss (._. )

balmy condor
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probably that one I would assume

past forum
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That’s what I assumed. I didn’t remember you mention Larry in that vid but I also don’t remember shit soooo

livid finch
balmy condor
balmy condor
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if you can make use of uptime

fickle latch
balmy condor
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then it definitely is worth it

manic coral
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how does ideal cd usage look on smolderon

balmy condor
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it's not something you play just always

balmy condor
past forum
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Learning kir outlaw with long arms made me temporarily dogshit at assa, now I’ve retrained myself to get back to my peak okayish.

steel stump
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Long arm on nymue is a game changer

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def worth it

fiery mauve
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Long arm nymue is the play

steel stump
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There's no point in having 10% more dmg if you can't proc 4p

balmy condor
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idk if I'm that convinced by acro

past forum
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Idk for any of the close melee soaks you can already reach and for the long melee soaks you can’t reach with longarm anyway

balmy condor
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but it's definitely not trolling

steel stump
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It helped me a lot not getting hit by all the shit flying at me

indigo mulch
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
craggy basin
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So ive got some stupid questions, checked pins and guides so I dont think I missed anything its more recommendations or thoughts on how to improve. Is there any mythic bosses we are holding CDs for or send everything off cd always. Are people using the accelerated openers often or going through the full setup? I am pretty behind on where I should be for dps and after checking and comparing logs I can only come to the conclusion I need to improve bleed uptimes and not hold CDs for phases ( unless phasing) but that honestly just doesnt feel like its going to do as much as i need.

thorn lynx
past forum
empty pilot
# craggy basin So ive got some stupid questions, checked pins and guides so I dont think I miss...

I don't really know what you need based on what you said, Mythic+ performance varies depending on difficulty and mob uptime. I would start by getting more specific about what lvl mythics you're interested in performing better in. It always helps me to watch POV of good rogues to try and learn new things. I also would advise you to kind of plan your CDs during M+ so you have at least a rough idea of when you're expecting to use them. Generally I try and use them as frequently as possible as long as I'm getting max duration out

past forum
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the fact that it also shows important boss timers makes it particularly helpful to me so i can make the mental association there

weak crescent
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Guys

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i got mauled by a surv hunter

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😭

pure moth
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Never been in a group where people did over 250k. So you're still winning lol

craggy basin
weak crescent
craggy basin
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I found whispyrs vids from a week ago, watching those atm. I can already see I was pooling poorly

pseudo nimbus
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!logs

prisma monolithBOT
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Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

keen spruce
weak crescent
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i was just funny seeing how much more he did xD

lucid rain
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don't mind me, just your average bat farmer

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yeehaw

storm forum
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I don't want to accelerate, do you think I can convince my rl to bench me for larry?

balmy condor
woeful meteor
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Unfun to play

storm forum
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cause i havent been benched yet and i feel like its coming and i want to pretend i have control

turbid canopy
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
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The only one I wanted to be benched on was council

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All my homies hate council

balmy condor
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Larodar was a sick fight

woeful meteor
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nah

slim hamlet
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Whatever the opposite of based is

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Larry was sick

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And easy

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Double W

balmy condor
open ocean
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Are we using instant poison in M+ or is it dungeon dependant?

dusk sun
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Council as sin is so aids to play

balmy condor
slim hamlet
balmy condor
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What situation would you be in where you take instant

slim hamlet
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Well Whispyr

balmy condor
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You’d need to be taking dragon tempered without amp

slim hamlet
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Cleave build with CT

balmy condor
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No one plays that

slim hamlet
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Zerocool does

woeful meteor
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It's a patchwerk fight where nothing happens except him sprinting out and annoying kiting backwards

slim hamlet
balmy condor
agile geode
woeful meteor
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where ideally you loose uptime cause people run to fast

open ocean
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@agile geode thanks!

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I figured as much, and haven't used it but wanted to make sure

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still kinda new to rogue

slim hamlet
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Also Whispyr u heard wound poison is actually good on fight this season?

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On one*

balmy condor
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Yeah surely this is the tier wound poison is good

slim hamlet
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2nd last boss waycrest manor

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Wound works apparently

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Pretty big

balmy condor
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X to doubt

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It didn’t do that in bfa

slim hamlet
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It does

balmy condor
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Why would it suddenly work

slim hamlet
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Idk

balmy condor
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Bugged as fuck

slim hamlet
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Unless it was insta fixed like every other Tettles tech

balmy condor
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Mortal strike work?

slim hamlet
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Yes

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Every healing decreaae

woeful meteor
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it doesnt work

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unless they bricked it mid season

balmy condor
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Yeah no shot

slim hamlet
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It was new 2 days ago

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Cant remember if from Tettles or Dorki

manic quartz
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anyone wanna roast my nymue logs and tell me wtf im doing wrong 😒

balmy condor
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If it works it’s giga bugged and like high prio fix

slim hamlet
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Yea prob

balmy condor
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Cause that’s not a thing

slim hamlet
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Prob already fixed then

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No wound poison dream feelscryman

balmy condor
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It’s okay, we’ll circle back on the wound poison discussion next patch

slim hamlet
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Wound poison for Throne because they got healer mobs? PogO

winter vapor
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is aoe blind worth taking for Fyrakk for p2 adds (Heroic)

balmy condor
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Yep

slim hamlet
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U only lose recup for aoe blind AKA 8k hp on a fight

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Wonder if recup ever gets fixed

vestal dust
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Hi, does someone have the advanced simc input for weapon rune comparing?

manic quartz
# vestal dust Hi, does someone have the advanced simc input for weapon rune comparing?

copy="Weapon: (crit) Buzzin rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (haste) Howling rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (mastery) Hissing rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:hissing_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (AP) Whetstone rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3
copy="no weapon oil"
temporary_enchant=disabled

vestal dust
balmy condor
winter vapor
slim hamlet
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Yea doesn't rly matter

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But dead talent in the middle

balmy condor
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Yeah but it’s a gateway drug to acro

slim hamlet
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I have become an acro hater

winter vapor
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thought i'd mis acro alot more than i do

slim hamlet
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Remember when I was mad no acro

winter vapor
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but I'm not really doing M+

slim hamlet
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Still wish int range was a bit longer baseline tho

balmy condor
slim hamlet
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Feels useless af in m+

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U hitting everything with fok and CT anyways

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And spatter +ic doesn't work

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So gg ez

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Idk how fyrakk and tindral will feel in mythic, but only nymue has had an acro argument so far

balmy condor
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Acro on tindral is okay

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Acro on fyrakk as well

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They’re not as insano as nymue

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But you can do it

slim hamlet
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Feel like acro will be better dmg on fyrakk for the first many pulls at least

balmy condor
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It’s fine

turbid heath
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lol does anyone here use hekili

slim hamlet
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Nymue was same, felt really nice to have acro for first 10ish pulls

subtle tundra
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wait

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what

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what

slim hamlet
subtle tundra
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im so fucking

balmy condor
subtle tundra
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whispyr kill me

slim hamlet
turbid heath
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lmaooo

past forum
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i played ret a bit last season and honestly acro just seems like kinda whatever to me. it's never made me feel like i could do anything crazy that i couldn't without it, in the same way it did playing as faux-melee ret

turbid heath
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i just tried it on my spriest and like

slim hamlet
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Why

turbid heath
slim hamlet
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Hekili was once good for some specs

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My friend used it on uhdk s1 SL and got 90 logs

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No thought just hit

balmy condor
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Yeah except it’s unplayable on assa

slim hamlet
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Yea would guess all rogues

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Or anything with any procs or anything

balmy condor
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And then they go “works fine on my ret”

slim hamlet
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Uhdk was very static

balmy condor
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And it’s like yeh, hekili is a ret player

turbid heath
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hahahaha

balmy condor
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Weird

slim hamlet
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That explains a lot

balmy condor
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“But it reads the sim apl”

slim hamlet
balmy condor
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If it reads the sim apl then I got some work to do kekl

slim hamlet
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Idk why that is bad but... Yes ahha kekdog

balmy condor
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Because if hekili does what the sim says

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Then the sim is OMEGA fucked

slim hamlet
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So

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You're sandbagging in sims? kekw kekw kekw

stiff pivot
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i knew it

slim hamlet
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Confirmed

balmy condor
#

Or hekili is sandbagging his dogshit addon

slim hamlet
#

Heard it here first

balmy condor
#

Either way

turbid heath
#

my guild is progging Fyrakk HC and im wondering if you guys have any tricks for assa?

stiff pivot
#

hekili isn't that great though

slim hamlet
#

Wait we gotta promote hekili to sandbag logs

balmy condor
royal lantern
#

and dont send shit on fyrakk when he flies away for 20seconds lmao

slim hamlet
#

More or less look at timers

#

If fly away next 16 sec, prob don't use CD's

ancient kraken
#

sometimes i pull tindral, but i just stand on range doing nothing. any idea what the reason might be?

balmy condor
#

Cooldowns on cooldown

oak hamlet
#

How does anyone see what shit is on the floor with the poison bomb all over the floor it sits on top of all the textures in the game lol

balmy condor
#

Eyeballs

#

Light reflects off my cornea

oak hamlet
#

it sits on top of all the textures in the game

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

Only real issue is 1st boss Throne and trash before last boss black rook

royal lantern
balmy condor
#

Play around with skill graphic settings idk

slim hamlet
#

Doesn't really matter but wish they just made poison bomb always go under other things, as the visual is useless

past forum
#

dont have to worry about poison bomb visuals if you never proc it

slim hamlet
#

5Head

balmy condor
#

Big if true

past forum
#

whenever i proc poison bomb as tindy roots spawn my game has a bit of a mental breakdown

slim hamlet
#

I mean

jaunty warren
#

I like PB.. procd a bunch on my last mythic …total 14 mill

oak hamlet
#

Yes it's big dps

jaunty warren
#

Wish is procd more but it does go

slim hamlet
#

That doesn't even count for spatter u get from it

past forum
#

i feel like i most frequently proc pb on the roots where our dh pops fel barrage basegcat

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

It feels very common

balmy condor
#

was like a 7% flat chance during legion or something

slim hamlet
#

Just hit it idk

slim hamlet
#

Wait flat?

#

So u could 1cp tech it

balmy condor
#

sorry 10%

#

no

#

what

#

brain

#

help

#

stroke

slim hamlet
#

Holy

#

Envenom every 2nd gcd

balmy condor
#

3% per cp

slim hamlet
#

Huge rng 100 parse

balmy condor
#

in 7.2

slim hamlet
#

Wqck

#

Wack

balmy condor
#

oh right

#

it got nerfed same patch

slim hamlet
#

💀

balmy condor
#

I remember

#

instead of hitting the damage

#

they hit the proc chance

#

and everyone lost their shit

slim hamlet
#

I mean

#

That is kinda brain dead ngl

#

That's like buffing ataldazar by giving last boss no counterplay

balmy condor
#

yeah except that specifically targets m+ players

#

and they deserve wracking pain

slim hamlet
restive patio
#

if i understood correctly, in stealth i can have a button for ambush then outside stealth i can have same button mutilate?

#

if i get the proc it changes by itself to ambush anyway

balmy condor
#

ye

#

just put them on the same hotkey on your stealth bar

restive patio
#

Also it looks like all rogue specs need PHD now to play. 😦 Its so hard to keep track of when youre in stealth when youre not for your abilities and increased damages

balmy condor
#

what

feral mason
#

i can deny this i am in fact very stupid

#

just failed my materials midterms ‼️

balmy condor
#

that's big stuff

restive patio
#

i remember some expansions ago i was playing assa casually and had like. apply bleeds then do mutilate into envenom

balmy condor
#

yeah

#

that actually still is exactly how you play now

oak hamlet
#

shadowlands

feral mason
#

Assa opener is literally working factory line work man

balmy condor
#

they made assassination have that gameplay in cataclysm

runic hinge
#

I’m very stupid and I play this spec

feral mason
#

Gotta press the same button sequence every time

balmy condor
#

and then it never changed

solar night
#

Rogue isn’t a 3 button class like Hunter and DH, but I don’t think most rogue players want it to be

restive patio
#

Use Thistle Tea during the last 6 seconds of Kingsbane for the mastery buff. This has to be Less than 6 seconds! 6.5 seconds for example will miss the final tick of Kingsbane
Vanish during the last 3 seconds of Kingsbane to utilize Master Assassin if you have it talented, or to refresh Improved Garrote otherwise. This has to be Less than 3 seconds! 3.2 seconds for example will miss the final tick of Kingsbane

runic hinge
#

Can’t be that hard

restive patio
#

what does this even mean

feral mason
#

thats minmax stuff

#

important but like

balmy condor
feral mason
#

definitely not the first thing id look at

feral mason
#

quite doomed in fact

balmy condor
#

fucked

restive patio
#

welp gotta figure this out i guess, outlaw seems even more confusing 😄

balmy condor
#

outlaw is actually just press the button that glows

hoary kernel
#

is it just a matter of how fast you can press the button that glows?

balmy condor
#

pretty much

#

and sometimes you have more than 1 glowy button

feral mason
#

outlaw most punishing rogue spec imo

balmy condor
#

and then you start sweating

feral mason
#

especially when you get punished by bugged action bars

balmy condor
#

cause now you gotta pick which one to hit first

restive patio
#

idk, i did that against a target dummy, accidentally pressed BtE after stealth modifier ended and it went on 40 second cooldown

feral mason
#

makes me want to kick hunter players bro

balmy condor
#

so it's actually more like 5

restive patio
#

i think i need a weakaura that shows me an icon while im inside a stealth state

feral mason
#

ye thats good for assa too

shut owl
#

outlaw is: set up sound effect weak aura, then memorize what wacky sound effect means to hit the funny glowy button. then you won't mess up anymore

feral mason
#

on phone rn but someone probably has the link for that wa

next junco
#

hey its probs been answered million times but the dagger nick of time what does it do just small damage or does it buff your own damage?

feral mason
balmy condor
#

it's a delayed secondary hit of your damage

#

so

#

multistrike

#

but really bad

feral mason
#

1% dps

next junco
#

thanks finally got one =_=

feral mason
#

its aight

balmy condor
#

1% is nothing compared to multstrike my beloved

next junco
#

so its smol fake multistrike got it 🙂

restive patio
#

ok, luxthos's weakauras doesnt seem great for this spec. there seems to be fancy kingsbane trackers with timers when to press your stealths etc.

balmy condor
#

luxthos stuff works fine I just don't like how it looks

ancient kraken
#

gotta adjust alot y

restive patio
#

i think im much better at focusing on vertical style bars going down rather than having everything next to each other

balmy condor
#

oof

#

probably will need to make your own then

past forum
#

just turn your monitor sideways 5head

balmy condor
#

that's a pretty uncommon setup

slim hamlet
#

Making own Weakauras pepe_chad

past forum
#

when i used more minimalistic weakaura set ups i had a mix of horizontal and vertical bars, cause it'd help my brain partition different types of information if it was oriented differently

#

and if i was better at making weakauras i'd still do that, but i don't know how to make the ones that do fancy stuff that afenar/luxthos do

restive patio
#

exactly thats what i mean @past forum

#

in general i was really good at tracking dots and cooldowns in MoP, all i needed was some simple tellmewhen buttons. but now that im older and play less its a travesty

balmy condor
#

I can tell you from experience that afenar has 0 fancy stuff going on

#

that shits more dry than my mom

#

and she hit menopause

subtle tundra
#

thanks for the info

past forum
#

well currently im using your edit which has the fancy stuff idk how to do

balmy condor
#

yeh fair enough

#

when I saw that afenar actually had nothing, the sigh I sighed

#

was so massive

#

I gotta say though, wa in general has gotten much more user friendly

past forum
#

oh yeah its great im just dumb as brick

balmy condor
#

everything that's a condition now had to be done with code

#

that's true despair

ancient kraken
#

true, with a little bit of learing you can do so much by urself

balmy condor
ancient kraken
#

actually very comfy

sweet dawn
#

just had to make a hard decision

#

Get aug buff or windfury

balmy condor
#

what

#

windfury every fucking day of the week

#

that's the easiest decision I've had to make all year

past forum
#

if u just close details aug buff literally doesnt do anything

#

i guess crit chance or whatever but ehh

runic hinge
#

I like when details matches the log tbh. I had a nice week 1 when our augs went dev

balmy condor
#

this is like the jschlatt unlimited bacon question

past forum
#

curtain matchign the drapes and what have you

sweet dawn
#

games... unlimited games, but no games

subtle tundra
#

ask me

oak ember
#

is tight spender better than improved ambush in st now as well? It sims higher for me but just trying to make sure

balmy condor
# subtle tundra ask me

Would you rather have unlimited bacon, but no more games. Or games, unlimited games- but no games

balmy condor
#

sim higher = better

oak ember
#

ty king

subtle tundra
balmy condor
#

okay

cedar fox
#

Is there a macro for burst? i have them all on diffrent buttons right now but sometimes i feel like things aren't going off

cerulean walrus
#

Shadow Dance

#

Kingsbane

balmy condor
#

macroing the entire burst will just lead to things actually not going off

cerulean walrus
#

But WHISPYR

#

Me want one button unga bunga no keybinds allowed

restive patio
#

When you play ret you can do a swifty macro with ease 😄

cedar fox
#

Not trying to do swifty macro lol -_-

loud zinc
cedar fox
#

he roasting me on discord now

restive patio
#

Swifty is a grand marshal to be fair starege

tame tangle
#

ye from the civil war

cedar fox
#

lol

restive patio
#

ok i give up, i cant figure out how to bind this character so i can achieve >50k dps

#

im too old and too stupid for this game

balmy condor
#

unlucky

cedar fox
#

just make a macro

slim hamlet
#

This is the spec for old people

#

If you too old for this then o7

restive patio
#

Frost dk with obliteration is the real boomer spec

slim hamlet
#

U legit stand afk as sin

#

And have set gcd

tame tangle
#

we play a boomer game they are all for old people

slim hamlet
#

Idk how it gets much more boomer spec

covert creek
#

anybody else getting knocked out of stealth from random Iced Phial procs before pull? I don't even suffer dmg and it just cycles into overwhelming rage

slim hamlet
#

!​stealthbreak

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

What is command

balmy condor
#

that is the command

#

moroes sleeping on the job

restive patio
#

ill try again tomorrow with fresh braincells, my feet and hands are cold, this is not the environment for thinking

balmy condor
#

!stealthbreak

prisma monolithBOT
#

Stealth can break from:

  • evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
  • Essence trinket on buff gain
  • Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
  • Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into unison (spec capstone)
  • Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
  • Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)
slim hamlet
#

Amh

#

Smh

#

He slept on job earlier too

covert creek
balmy condor
#

because that's the other damage part

#

they're separate debuffs mate

runic hinge
subtle tundra
#

i should play it.....

#

back to watching things on 2nd monitor....

balmy condor
#

dev is crazy slow yeah

#

most casters are tbh

restive patio
#

People invite Dev to groups?

balmy condor
#

but spooky cast times

keen spruce
#

@balmy condor i'm glad i saw you mention randomly playing acro on nymue

#

that was 1000x easier

balmy condor
#

people invite things to groups if its got a big cock

restive patio
#

😦

keen spruce
#

oh also

balmy condor
#

would I invite a 465 dev with 1k io? probably not

slim hamlet
balmy condor
#

but I'm not inviting a 465 anything with 1k io

wet dagger
#

What spec we switching to next week 🙃

balmy condor
#

none

slim hamlet
#

Windwalker

#

And spriest personally

restive patio
#

what happens next week?

balmy condor
#

if you played at a level where a 3% nerf up-ends your world view you wouldn't need to ask us what spec to swap to

slim hamlet
#

Sin dies besad

#

Whispyr what is your plan to revive sin next week?

frozen iris
#

I don’t play at that level but it still hurts that im not good enough to teach pre nerf top lol

slim hamlet
#

U got some new tech that was hidden or?

restive patio
#

OOOh, destruction buffs

forest notch
#

I want to make blaze neck my outlaw neck and just use a different neck for Sin. Just triple checking im readying this right that the blaze neck and this one are basically negligible difference? 0.1%

image.png
restive patio
#

im pretty good on that boomer ass spec

slim hamlet
#

If I were to switch for another class it would be for destro

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

That spec is fun as fuck

#

But their tree is dogshit af

forest notch
restive patio
#

i literally dont like destro because the burning feet damages me and i forget to turn it off

slim hamlet
#

When sepsis tech?

slim hamlet
covert creek
# balmy condor they're separate debuffs mate

umm
The self-dmg part shouldn't trigger based on the description if I haven't suffered 4x my total health as dmg, and then I should lose the critbuff for ~15s - triggering the self dmg, and then I shall regain the critbuff

balmy condor
#

true

#

it doesn't

restive patio
#

Is Zoldyck some sort of poison guy or did they steal the talent name from Hunter x Hunter?

balmy condor
#

hunter x hunter

slim hamlet
#

Aintnoway

restive patio
covert creek
#

It actually does, even if I just stand still in the city it randomly triggers

#

without getting any dmg

balmy condor
#

true

#

that's the other debuff

#

idk whats confusing about this

frozen iris
covert creek
#

oh so rotting from within is different, and it actually has 2 self dmg debuffs

restive patio
#

Wheres rassengan talent on my windwalker

balmy condor
#

yes

#

that's what you replied to

slim hamlet
#

Idk man

#

Seems sus to me

covert creek
shut owl
#

hey whispyr, when are we getting a new mage tower build? 😛

balmy condor
#

die irl

#

in game

shut owl
#

savage

marble hemlock
#

make kingsbane unparriable

#

thanks

#

for coming to my ted talk

shut owl
#

yes

#

plz

#

god

#

I had iridikron parry me 3 times

balmy condor
#

make seli stand behind bosses

marble hemlock
#

ye

shut owl
#

"wtf happened to your damage"

marble hemlock
#

when the tanks are turning tindral

shut owl
#

"parried"

marble hemlock
#

5 times in 5 seconds

#

for mushroom dance

#

"just stand behind boss lol"

shut owl
#

iridikron just stole my KB

#

just parried it

balmy condor
#

yeah

shut owl
#

and didnt gimme the cd back

balmy condor
#

just do it seli

marble hemlock
#

im trying man

#

but i still get like

#

1-2 parries a night

balmy condor
#

more try

shut owl
#

dunno if that was chromie buff bug or wtf

marble hemlock
#

how about

#

we get rid of parry

shut owl
#

but it wasn't fun

marble hemlock
#

considering spell reists have gone like

#

10y ago

#

maybe we can finally remove parry

shut owl
#

having 0 parries on a boss in a key

#

would be nice

marble hemlock
#

i mean the fact that dungeon bosses are still

shut owl
#

cuz having 0 kb's on a boss in a key

#

is terrible

marble hemlock
#

capable of being boss level

#

but this season its only iridikron

#

other seasons had 2 or even 3 bosses at bosslevel

#

and not just +2

past forum
#

I literally cannot fathom why enemy parry exists in pve

#

Like what single individual that pays a monthly subscription is happy that parry exists

shut owl
#

uh wat. tried mage tower. valkyr wall was on ceiling. GG XD

#

never getting this mog lol

past forum
#

i just realized i havent done the rogue mage tower yet

rancid pine
#

Hey what would you guys say is the best rings for assassination

#

Ive been hearing like a debate between 1 friend who follows guides and another

past forum
#

i got my spellbook as bear, ww, frost mage, havoc, ele, hpal, and demo

tardy wind
#

with sudden demise it makes sense to just put big bleeds on low hp targets, right?

shut owl
#

no

#

dont change anything you're doing around SD

#

just play the rotation normally, and enjoy the free execute

old halo
arctic hare
shut owl
#

I mean kings can parry real well apparently cuz only my KB gets parried 😛

arctic hare
#

lmao

tardy wind
shut owl
#

1000% envenom

old halo
#

rupture for the engery gain when ded, again im a degenrate

shut owl
#

theres some weird edge cases maybe, but if you're asking the question the answer is probably stick to the foundations and pretend you don't have SD

#

I do not know the energy return on VW math

old halo
#

my tanks just like to chain pull so i need to find energy somewhere XD

#

Dhs going to blow up the pack anyways lol

#

got to get my damage on the excute side

balmy condor
#

baseline you would rupture if it lasts >4 seconds, but if you're saturated it's >10 and if you have dashing it's +5 any of the previous rules

shut owl
#

is that including or excluding IC

smoky helm
#

hey guys ❤️ just got my Ashes from Smolderon..when should i use it? just macro it to KB or at the second the weakaura is showing?

balmy condor
#

excluding

balmy condor
shut owl
#

I'd figure it'd be more worth when IC is up

smoky helm
balmy condor
shut owl
#

XD

balmy condor
#

because the energy you get from sniping increases based on the time remaining

#

and you can easily overcap if you snipe with IC

shut owl
#

yeah

shy pecan
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

but you also have to factor in scent of blood

#

so

#

it gets

#

really messy

wide sand
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
shut owl
#

does it give you more energy than the cost of a rupture or something? (on st)

balmy condor
#

with enough time remaining, yes

shut owl
#

wild

balmy condor
#

it's 150 energy at 30 seconds I think

#

but I can't remember the formula

shut owl
#

that is way more than I figured

balmy condor
#

might be 200

#

now that I think about it

#

idk

shut owl
#

like, 5x what I figured

old halo
#

so im not a complete degen for rupturing a dieing target for energy in chain pulls

balmy condor
#

pointless numbers I have no need for until the one sniping conversation that happens every expansion

#

but yeah

#

it is worth to snipe

#

if you do it accurately

runic hinge
#

It’s worth it to pad sudden demise damage

old halo
#

i only really do if i know im not getting a restealth

runic hinge
balmy condor
# runic hinge It’s worth it to pad sudden demise damage

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

slate crown
runic hinge
#

lol that’s what you should’ve responded to my dm last night

slate crown
#

I have suddenly demised

old halo
#

can hit hard if done right

image.png
balmy condor
#

every time I have to do like 7th grade math lessons in here

#

to explain why you don't force bleeds for sudden demise

#

my soul dies

past forum
#

pop deathmark on a nearly dead for MASSIVE sudden demise sniping

robust scaffold
#

is ember of nullification good for some reason? i remember seeing some sims that it's good at some point in here?

balmy condor
#

it's a trinket that has flat vers on it

#

so

#

it's about as good as any other passive stat

runic hinge
#

I bet it’s good in m+

robust scaffold
#

but just will never be better than signet brand/ashes/branch

#

as far as I understand

#

my sim showing that too

balmy condor
#

correct, it's not recommended becaues it's worth

#

checks out

shut owl
#

sweet jesus, finally did the tower

#

felt WAY easier to not rot out to damage now with the rework

#

but good lord all the enemies are buggy as hell atm

storm forum
#

pad sudden demise damage in low keys cause its funny to see things die as soon as they hit 35%

balmy condor
#

monkey say no evil

storm forum
#

it might not be numerically correct, but it is funny

shut owl
#

I dunno if it was just my gear or what before but I'd die to melee/shadowbolt bleedout before first damage check before lol

runic hinge
balmy condor
#

that sounds like skill issue

#

gear gets scaled in mage tower

shut owl
#

I'm aware

balmy condor
#

but yeh, they've been making it easier and easier every patch

#

through just power creep and old content scaling

#

shits an actual joke

shut owl
#

I was getting wombo'd by faljar and sigryn just quadruple-tapping me outta nowhere before when I interrupted them last patch

#

did not have this happen now; but did have them animation lock a lot and just SUPRISE FIRE

balmy condor
balmy condor
shut owl
#

that was 30 seconds in

balmy condor
#

skill issue

shut owl
#

last patch I literally did not even see the wall mechanic

#

I believe it

#

IC range kinda funky on the pull tho

weak crescent
#

guys

#

finally

#

got fyrak good

balmy condor
shut owl
#

tru

balmy condor
#

on council as well

#

just a mess

shut owl
#

IC on council t-t

normal mist
weak crescent
#

yes xD

hasty swan
#

does anyone know why shrouded suffocation doesn't award me 3 combo points for garrote when used from stealth?

limber lion
#

It sure does

#

Either you're not in stealth or you don't have it talented.

#

Might wanna spec into Subterfuge as well

hasty swan
#

I definitely have it talented and am in stealth. I've checked it multiple times, at this point it feels like a bug. I use garrote from stealth and then rupture only gives an 8 second rupture

limber lion
#

Make a clip

stiff field
#

Hi pumpkins can someone dm me how to be good at assassin

limber lion
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
stiff field
hasty swan
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ignore the title obviously

stiff field
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You guys using shadow dance?

hasty swan
keen spruce
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nymue deadge

dark token
keen spruce
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Smolderon... doesn't seem that bad HMM

dark token
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Who usnt

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All bosses comfy except tindral tbh

keen spruce
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but also seems like it will randomly take over 100 pulls

stiff field
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No I'm a baby

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I'm just a baby

dark token
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Even tindral gets comfy when u pull it 200x

stiff field
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I need alll the macros

limber lion
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I'm guessing it can be a bug if you're missing out on Improved Garrote

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which looks like it

hasty swan
sweet dawn
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You're not 70 yet

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right?

hasty swan
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me? no

slim hamlet
slate crown
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I think it's entirely possible for bugs to exist with non-Imp Garrote setups because everyone ever always takes it

limber lion
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Yeh very random talents

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Just take Improved Garrote

slate crown
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so testing probably heavily weights towards imp garrote

slim hamlet
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The no capstone, doomblade, no sbs/sepsis build was real

limber lion
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You should have Improved Garrote in 100% of builds always

slate crown
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So My response is why are you not taking it (with a side bar of yeah it's possible there's a bug, sure, but you'd never not want the talent)

hasty swan
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yea they definitely are. I'm just yolo-ing right now while I relearn the class at all.

keen spruce
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there is a bug with non-imp garrote

slim hamlet
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Looks like our minmin build

keen spruce
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we reported a while back

limber lion
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Yeh

slim hamlet
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I love u

hasty swan
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I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not lol

sweet dawn
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I don't think it is

limber lion
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We have a lot of people asking very generic questions that are answered in guides 129048345 times over

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That's all

slate crown
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And FWIW I read it as without sarcasm

limber lion
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But yeah, run something like this while leveling and even in mythic+ later on and you're chilling

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and take Subterfuge from the class tree

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Messing around or not, always take Improved Garrote, VW, CTTC, Seal Fate and Deathmark with every build that you play

hasty swan
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will do, thanks for the tips

limber lion
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Gl champ

slim hamlet
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smh

limber lion
slim hamlet
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yea but it legit doesn't matter tbf

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But sudden demise do me dopamine boost

limber lion
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and no spatter as well

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but might as well get used to it

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bis leveling

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dark token
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Bonespike DESPAIR

slim hamlet
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Sepsis my beloved

dark token
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Don't teach noobs to use that

limber lion
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exactly

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I didn't

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if you had read the convo

slim hamlet
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Reading??

dark token
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I only read last 1 message and never check pins

slim hamlet
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Better than 90% of people

runic hinge
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Read DN

slim hamlet
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Reading last message sent would fix 50% of questions

limber lion
slim hamlet
runic hinge
runic hinge
limber lion
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Good answe

dark token
limber lion
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I had the bullet ready to go

slim hamlet
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Bro was about to go on vacation

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if he didnt safe it

limber lion
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oh shit oops

slim hamlet
quiet oar
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Wait

runic hinge
limber lion
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that triggered a Moroes response

fluid crystal
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Lmfao

runic hinge
slate crown
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huh? i didn't see mr moroes?

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
slate crown
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there u are buddy

keen spruce
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anyone else

quiet oar
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o7 tony

dark token
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!permamute @runic hinge

slim hamlet
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
keen spruce
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plant on M smolderon

limber lion
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No, in our staff channels

keen spruce
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and just let the tornados go around you

limber lion
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Moroes doesn't respond to mutes here

keen spruce
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and feel like gus fring from breaking bad

gaunt moat
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@keen spruce how was smolderon today
was it first day prog?

keen spruce
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goodge

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seems like an easy boss

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that will take 100 pulls