I find the ambush proc talent yields the most energy
#assassination
scarlet sable
storm monolith
well it's a thing of the past now
i wonder if there's an addon that makes it so when you tab, it prioritizes enemies with casts that can be interrupted
storm monolith
really gets me upset sometimes when i'm spamming it frantically trying to get to that one dude
scarlet sable
I still click to swap or tab
storm monolith
i
scarlet sable
yeah
storm monolith
don't talk to me 
scarlet sable
Tab is good for like 2 or 3
storm monolith
i'm so STUPID how did i not think of that
scarlet sable
What
storm monolith
especially after i made all those damn mouseover macros for healing
scarlet sable
oh yeah seems like bis
storm monolith
i wonder if anyone in the pro scene has had a gamer moment on livestream
scarlet sable
Being wow pro prob sucks no money in it
Fortnite had to have been the most profitable game for players
blizzard doesn’t put money into race or arena workd cup to my knowledge
void mesa
Blizzard let their succesful esports games die intentionally
Idk how you expect them to put money in a terrible esports game
scarlet sable
why
I mean world first could have a prize
Idk Fortnite was prob the best game ever created
yeah I said it
void mesa
scarlet sable
It truly was
Had to get sweaty with it
alright boys I need 2 rogues to hit this Fall with me
robust axle
I mean world first could have a prize
Why would they support a made up race between 2 and only 2 guilds tho? Doesnt seem like a smart decision e-sport wise
scarlet sable
If the winner got like 1 mill could be competitive
robust axle
right, i wasnt trying to multi dot caustic that time 😂
I mean CS, Envenom and KB are all rather low
scarlet sable
Doesn’t KB fall with sudden demise
robust axle
Might be
I havent had a key where rupture is #2 on my meters, and never with that margin
robust axle
Seems to me like there is a bigger emphasis on keeping on the bleeds than going into KB/SD windowds
scarlet sable
He’s playing AP so idk what that looks like
hard plaza
was only a 17 if that helps
scarlet sable
yeah he’s playing arterial
which is big bleeds
yuge bleeds
you’ll feel even better in higher fortified keys
Even 17s I felt like mobs got obliterated
hard plaza
This is the problem with decent specs, u can play it poorly and still do good dps, so think its fine
broken pelican
Idk Fortnite was prob the best game ever created
in terms of monetization, most definitely
hard plaza
then get obliterated by another rogue and hate yourself
storm monolith
ok i'm convinced rogue is the best class
scarlet sable
in terms of monetization, most definitely
For me it takes the cake everywhere
rogue is def
A potent class
That can do a lot of things outside just blasting
storm monolith
normally have to fight through pissants across the dragon isles to get these crafting knowledge items
but nah i just stealth, sap, blind, collect, vanish, fly out
scarlet sable
rat bastard rogue
storm monolith
it's cathartic
storm monolith
just ignore 90% of the trash obstacles everywhere i go
dumbass warriors getting held up by elites and by the time they're done with the first one i've gotten in and out with my prize
mighty nexus
right, i wasnt trying to multi dot caustic that time 😂
19 brh if this helps you any
im playing the no CT build
mighty nexus
i like it, i used to be a hardcore ap build gamer, but this one lets me get stuff going faster I feel
hard plaza
like that envenon explosions difference....
mine did 6mil yours 35 😂 i knwo different keys different pulls etc but still
storm monolith
what's the command for all the bis gear, talents, etc?
mighty nexus
mine did 6mil yours 35 😂 i knwo different keys different pulls etc but still
the tier set and caustic are a little padded because of the fel bat pulls probably
wild beacon
spattering and exploding everywhere dude
mighty nexus
what's the command for all the bis gear, talents, etc?
!fuu
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mighty nexus
I'm not sure theres a command that has all that stuff listed
idk, could be wrong. I've never seen it though
hard plaza
the tier set and caustic are a little padded because of the fel bat pulls probab...
yeah sure, but the playstyle doesnt change on the Cleave build does it, other than shiv'n
mighty nexus
I still shiv the same tbh, I only use it with KB. It drops CT and SD but other than that, it kinda feels the same
storm monolith
mighty nexus
rogue mark is 5% increased magic dmg taken right?
MfD? iirc it’s 15% on your finishers
mighty nexus
Ah ye, that’s 5% magic
stable storm
any chance that applies to our poisons? (magic dmg from nature?)
mighty nexus
I’d assume so, nature is classified as magic damage
That’s a good one tbh
Someone smarter than me can probably give a better answer
cunning grove
How much better is outlaw in m+ compared to sin? Just starting to gear my alt and so split between the two specs
scarlet sable
outlaw prob is just easier to hit full damage potential
solid mica
any chance that applies to our poisons? (magic dmg from nature?)
Pretty sure applies to poisons not bleeds
carmine shore
Does Outlaw do as much prio as we do this week?
This week in particular sin feels very strong
arctic cove
yo sorry im stupid but what page is the best for finding the most commons builds?
balmy condor
any chance that applies to our poisons? (magic dmg from nature?)
anything not physical damage is considered magic so yes
would apply to poisons, envenom, tier, kingsbane
poison bomb
etc
balmy condor
yo sorry im stupid but what page is the best for finding the most commons builds...
most common builds probably subcreation
but generally would want to use a guide instead of some aggregate site
arctic cove
most common builds probably subcreation
i was checking murlokio talents from top players but they all play with different talents idk what the "normal" is lol
scarlet sable
i dont feel like simming all thes rune combos whats my safest bet double mastery?
balmy condor
idk what mulrokio is
balmy condor
i dont feel like simming all thes rune combos whats my safest bet double master...
crit or haste
scarlet sable
ty
static glacier
idk what mulrokio is
bleak sun
ok done for the week
static glacier
Murkl*
balmy condor
no shortage of fucking data aggregation sites eh
hard plaza
@mighty nexus fml
misty holly
ok done for the week
489 nick of time 🍀
arctic cove
just confused about the last 2 rows on what to pick really but ill just go for the most common
balmy condor
there's build on wowhead that explain what they're for and what their strengths are
scarlet sable
sin rogue talent tree art fire
shes leaping across that battlefield like altair
finna assassinate someone
balmy condor
blind copying talent builds is stupid dumb
not that it's really your fault that these pages prey on people like that
raven egret
I confess I'm now a cleave build enjoyer for M+
raven egret
wait, vengance
midnight atlas
yeah.. tank dh
raven egret
... well ok sigil of flame nerf preps idk LOL
misty holly
Blizzard bringing back that Mist of Panderia tank hype
stable storm
anyone know where I can find 22s+ vods for assassa?
balmy condor
probably zerocool
empty lava
endwyr has some
waxen oyster
what does kush play
balmy condor
whatever he wants
fallen forge
did someone say
balmy condor
the fact that you simmed stat weights means you already got baited lmao
fallen forge
Stat weights?
leaden sundial
the fact that you simmed stat weights means you already got baited lmao
True. It sometimes works. I usually try to pick it when I have no clue what to do
balmy condor
it doesn't sometimes work though
mighty nexus
STAT WEIGHTS?
fallen forge
True. It sometimes works. I usually try to pick it when I have no clue what to d...
Yeah sometimes I look at my broken clock at it tells the right time too
leaden sundial
it doesn't sometimes work though
I know. I am gonna use TOP GEAR at the end or droptimizer
leaden sundial
Yeah sometimes I look at my broken clock at it tells the right time too
I expected answer like that haha
fallen forge
Usually just go top gear after slamming ur face into some keys
And just check logs or guides for what trinkets/weapons to farm
mighty nexus
and people say BM is a two button spec 
leaden sundial
And just check logs or guides for what trinkets/weapons to farm
I know most things. At this point I am trying to think what should I be doing from now on
I still need some items but what later
Mainly how to approach stats
fallen forge
Just vault stuff for myth track ig
leaden sundial
why some people use volcoross neck and some other rings
and why some people use tindral's neck etc
balmy condor
because it sims higher for them
mighty nexus
also some people don't do both contents
balmy condor
stats aren't rigid
mighty nexus
like, someone with tindral neck may ONLY do raid
fallen forge
vers is my best stat right now
Recommend everyone prio vers obviously
Must be pinned
leaden sundial
Thanks foe help. I guess I am going to farm fall until the end of eternity and hope for some good neck.
mighty nexus
anyone done a rise key this week ?
amber fossil
bone spikes for H Larry?
balmy condor
bone spike nowhere
amber fossil
kk
tepid charm
Larry is short for Larold
balmy condor
if you're the one asking, probably because you can't hit max level
amber fossil
no bones spikes even for council?
mighty nexus
absolutely slept
storm monolith
Why do you say these things to me
balmy condor
no bones spikes even for council?
nowhere means nowhere doesn't it
mighty nexus
bone spikes for trash can
balmy condor
is there a secondary definition
amber fossil
just seems likje if there was any fight for BS, then Council would be it
balmy condor
yeah
tepid charm
Yeah sometimes called the Midwest
mighty nexus
On a scale of 1-10, how shit is a 24 rise going to be on bolstering
balmy condor
and it's bad enough for it still not to be good
bone spike is good for exactly one thing
people under like 450 ilvl with weird stats, in single target
then and only then
it might possible
sometimes
perhaps
be like 0.4% better
otherwise bone spike is gutter trash
storm monolith
I've heard ill is deceptive when it comes to trinkets. Is it typically better to get a lower level bis trinket than a higher level non bis?
balmy condor
depends on the trinket
storm monolith
Fair
balmy condor
branch/ashes are very strong
and probably beat a lot of stuff that's higher ilvl
but some middle of the pack throwaway passive trinket? probably not
the general rule is you get a nick of time in your offhand, you get an on use stat trinket, ashes or branch
and then you just slam item level until your eyes bleed
scarlet sable
!dagger
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storm monolith
What is this displaying
balmy condor
the buffs from the igira dagger
mighty nexus
5% speed is the only acceptable option
fallen forge
Doesn’t it become 10% in instanced content
balmy condor
yeh
storm monolith
Does leach work with damageover time
storm monolith
That's amazing
balmy condor
!wa
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balmy condor
LE's profile has one
amber fossil
I still have empowered rupture time on target when I get to the dance in rotation. Is it ok to overwrite with another empowered rupture or do we hold dance/kb until it runs out?
balmy condor
generally don't play around the empowerment, just treat it like a normal rupture and refresh in pandemic whenever it's comfortable
amber fossil
rgr that, ty
btw, your Afenar edit really helps with tracking empoweres
I was constantly overwriting by accident before
balmy condor
ty, have to give credit to lisonna though
she made the dot trackers
I just splice the bits and pieces I need into afenar's pack 
mortal jewel
what is bis equipments before raid is there any link ? couldn't see on pinned messages
mighty nexus
!guides
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fervent sundial
Wait can we macro dance and kingsbane?
mortal jewel
Thanks Mr Breezy
balmy condor
Wait can we macro dance and kingsbane?
yes
balmy condor
yes
mighty nexus
Yep, to snapshot your KB
fervent sundial
ty uwu
balmy condor
man I wish so bad that I could get rid of the bis lists in the guide
but as long as people google "assa bis"
they have to be there
which means they're gonna be there, and people are gonna find them
which means people will google them
it's a self-fulfilling loop
absolute fucking bullshit
mighty nexus
Does wowhead require you to have them there ?
balmy condor
yes
mighty nexus
unlucky 
balmy condor
I've argued and complained and bitched
to try and get them deleted
but they simply provide too much traffic
storm monolith
why do you not want them? because simming is 99.9999999% of the time the appropriate thing to do?
balmy condor
bis is only bis is you have all the pieces at all the item levels
mighty nexus
I think they're good for a specific demographic of player, there's tons of people who just refuse to learn to sim themselves, so at least they have something to look at instead of asking 500000000 questions about gear here
wait
they do that anyway
balmy condor
like yeah having double 489 nick of times is fantastic stuff, but nick of time itself isn't bis
storm monolith
i suppose i need to learn how to sim
balmy condor
a normal 489 dagger
beats a farmable 483 nick of time
in main hand
guides will suggest crit mast gear
or mast haste gear
sweet dawn
I have a friend that has an armour set saved of all the "bis" he's collected. And I've told him multiple times that the bis list is only bis if you have all that gear at the item level, not champion track
waxen oyster
time to make a bis list video to draw channel views
waxen oyster
storm monolith
well, i'll need to know when i actually start getting gear i don't just automatically go "yeah that's a +30 ilvl difference i'm grabbing that"
waxen oyster
jk dont
old halo
is there anyway to parse after the nerfs witout Pis?
brave stump
I wanted to say, i lose dps with a dreamcarver on 489 compared with a 483 nick
balmy condor
in your mainhand?
brave stump
No off
brave stump
Because off only statstick?
storm monolith
so why is mastery bad for most people. it looks pretty straightforward. as long as you have a whole bunch of uptime, i'd think it would be a damage gain
brave stump
balmy condor
so why is mastery bad for most people. it looks pretty straightforward. as long ...
because they use branch for example
branch is a trinket that gives legit 6000 mastery
during all your cooldowns
slate crown
man I wish so bad that I could get rid of the bis lists in the guide
I just wish they would just replace the bis pages in guides with a standalone "Trinkets" page, I go to the bis page but only because that's where the commentary on all the trinkets is, which is interesting to read when learning about their relative strengths. I like the pages that have the tables with comments on them. Some other guidepages don't have commentary and just have an embedded bloodmallet comparison which I don't like as much. But I always just scroll past everything else.
Secondarily if they break off the "Crafted Gear" into its own page, but that would probably be pretty small of a page
balmy condor
like let me make an extreme example right
if you have
a million % mastery
and 0 vers
storm monolith
that sounds like diminishing returns
balmy condor
I mean kinda yes
but the stat diminishing returns
aren't even in the question here
waxen oyster
ashes simmed more when i had like 1k haste only
storm monolith
diminishing returns is the directly correlative concept to softcaps lol
dapper zodiac
.
small garnet
whats the big difference between the arterial precision build and the hybrid build looks like hybrid is the build thats run the most?
small garnet
but somehow it feels kinda bad for me
waxen oyster
dr exists
mighty nexus
whats the big difference between the arterial precision build and the hybrid bui...
hybrid generally gives you better ST because you take DTB
balmy condor
yeah stat dr's are super important
except for the dozens of examples
where it doesn't
dark token
For outlaw it's more a case of they get free crit from bte and buffs, their mastery is trash and they are often energy capped without too much haste anyway
small garnet
hybrid generally gives you better ST because you take DTB
hmm yea but energy wise it felt way worse to me
but i also only played it once so far
dark token
But yes eventually mastery would be > vers on outlaw
sharp falcon
ran out of time on that one
mighty nexus
hmm yea but energy wise it felt way worse to me
It doesn't take blindside like AP does, that might be why you feel that way. Idk, hybrid feels good to me personally
waxen oyster
all the specs got a decent rework though all serious
earnest timber
for me nick was 3k dps increase vs a 489 soulrender
balmy condor
in mainhand?
earnest timber
swore it said MH
waxen oyster
nick in offhand>>>
earnest timber
let me check
waxen oyster
489 dreamcarver outsims 483 nick in mh for alot of people
offhand more of a stat stick
balmy condor
489 dreamcarver outsims 483 nick in mh for alot of people
for everyone
it's not even a small increase
waxen oyster
was like 1k on my sim when i ran it
mighty nexus
I'm about to scream
Whispyr about to deal discord wide damage
dark token
it's not even a small increase
It was a pretty small increase for me
balmy condor
I'm not going to entertain what a small increase means
I got better things to do than argue semantics
river ember
Whispyr don’t you hate not getting restealths in m+ and doing zero damage because of it
waxen oyster
489 nick
river ember
sorry
waxen oyster
mighty nexus
oh no
balmy condor
wake me up when a 489 mainhand sims lower than a 483 nick in main hand
river ember
adding fuel to the fire xd
river ember
LOL
waxen oyster
wasnt that the one that just gave you opener damage
idk i played blood/unholy sub i didnt have a kindred bond druid and pocket PI to pretend i was good at the game
with frost set sin
dark token
It's an ok increase ig, at one point my stats were fucked and it was a 0.1% upgrade when I first got it
waxen oyster
i got kindred one week on the nine as sub
dark token
It's a way bigger increase for sub than sin
waxen oyster
then the log got invalidated because it triggered dagger bug
waxen oyster
having kindred from a bear caused the instant 4 stacks of syl daggers on pull
earnest timber
was trying to think of silly discourse people would have
around like margin of error plays
real stirrup
do we craft lariat or go for other neck?
half moss
!plater
balmy condor
do we craft lariat or go for other neck?
Lariat is an embellishment so generally if you’re going to craft one you’d want torc
Since that one doesn’t count for an embellish
half moss
hey can someone do that command for me lol that shows all the WAs and such
balmy condor
!wa
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half moss
🙂
weak crescent
Lariat is an embellishment so generally if you’re going to craft one you’d want ...
oh were there any embelisment changes ? oh and what is torc xD
balmy condor
No?
woeful meteor
the normal crafted neck
weak crescent
oh thanks i missread
arctic hare
Been runnin the cleave build in keys, and its surprisingly not nearly as bad as I thought it'd be.
waxen oyster
mighty nexus
Cleave build lit
storm monolith
what's the dungeon with all the gnolls?
looks like the badlands from the lion king
but green
anyways, hunter kept killing us by walking on top of people with poison circles
balmy condor
what's the dungeon with all the gnolls?
brackenhide
dw, that one isn't in rotation this season
quiet oar
Wait for it to return in Fated 
violet trench
What build do you guys run in 20
-18 m+?
strange python
whats the cleave build CT or something new? Been away for bit x)
balmy condor
whats the cleave build CT or something new? Been away for bit x)
take the single target raid build, swap internal bleeding for caustic, then take carnage instead of dashing
strange python
ahh that build
little cove
is there a reason why mirror trinket wont activate when i have it macrod to deathmark
carmine shore
I have branch set to DM and never have a problem
balmy condor
probably because it's still on cooldown for every other deathmark I would guess
violet trench
I struggle deciding what pack is worth longer building and what pack warrants me going CD fast and burn KB
80% of the time I decide wrong
And bm hunter comes presses 1 button goes make coffee and my CD wastes up hahah
little cove
okay i logged out/in and it started working
mighty nexus
I struggle deciding what pack is worth longer building and what pack warrants me...
I just dump kb on cd tbh, just make sure you have it up before a boss
tough gorge
Yeah better to not save kb
I am only strategic with deathmark around how close I am to boss in dungeon
If it goes something like pack - pack - boss. I go full on the 1st pack, save on 2nd to have full on boss
strange python
the other sin is also getting pi'd
balmy condor
feel like im getting smoked
you're also 10 ilvl under the other rogue, with no nick of time, garbage trinkets, a tragic offhand
storm monolith
tragic he says lol
tiny thunder
you're parsing better
scarlet sable
alright
so its gear
mechanically
were there?
alright thanks
thats what i needed
lmao tragic
balmy condor
I mean yeh rotation looks fine
tiny thunder
if it makes u feel better i only play outlaw in rogue and make my guild hate me
scarlet sable
so i need everbloom trink and what else
balmy condor
everything
scarlet sable
whats 2nd trink
slim hamlet
scarlet sable
right
balmy condor
branch for the first trinket yes
scarlet sable
just felt so poopy
balmy condor
yeh I mean this looks pretty poopy
slim hamlet
💀
balmy condor
you got leveling blues on
slim hamlet
oh no
balmy condor
there ain't no way you got something sensible to say after that intro
storm monolith
when you are in stealth and you open on a pack, do you use garrote or shiv first? asking cause shiv has bleed damage increase
slim hamlet
💀
storm monolith
to increase the bleed damage. is it not a snapshot?
balmy condor
buffing nothing
no
there is one snapshot right now and it's nightstalker
everything else is dynamic
storm monolith
i'm used to final fantasy 14 where all buffs are snapshots, so i was thinking because nightstalker does it most other buffs must do it
i'm guessing that means that envenom buff means it retroactively buffs poisons
balmy condor
exotic hearth
So can someone explain energy pooling rq. Like how much should we be doing it? My understanding is: Get to max CP until envenom buff or rupture is about to drop excluding during Kingsbane bc you need to pump that damage up then you use shit as quickly as possible. Is this right? am I missing something?
slim hamlet
consistency????
snow hamlet
wait, tight spender > imp ambush now?
balmy condor
what does that even mean bro
balmy condor
So can someone explain energy pooling rq. Like how much should we be doing it? M...
you should be doing it whenever you're not in cooldowns
!pooling
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TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
slim hamlet
how the fuck is it that much better for u
scarlet sable
@balmy condor thank you
slim hamlet
oh just weird sim
exotic hearth
you should be doing it whenever you're not in cooldowns
So you go ham during DM too, not just KB? That's good to know if so
slim hamlet
is it haste that makes TS better?
scarlet sable
so we dont need any raid trinkets ?
exotic hearth
On the times they don't line up for mechanics anyway
balmy condor
So you go ham during DM too, not just KB? That's good to know if so
when would you be in DM but not in kingsbane
slim hamlet
m+ tho
balmy condor
wdym "m+ tho"
exotic hearth
Getting targeted on smol right after DM is a pain
snow hamlet
maybe cuz the blindside nerfed
slim hamlet
balmy condor
Getting targeted on smol right after DM is a pain
just hit the boss idk
slim hamlet
Getting targeted on smol right after DM is a pain
this was a problem week 1
tell your ranged to gtfo
balmy condor
smold is pretty much 100% uptime even on mythic
wild condor
Is Sin still gonna be a good spec for M+ and Raid or is Sub and Outlaw gonna overshadow it?
balmy condor
pins
exotic hearth
tell your ranged to gtfo
We're melee heavy. like 3:1 ratio or something crazy
slim hamlet
surely this will work
slim hamlet
We're melee heavy. like 3:1 ratio or something crazy
same here
we might even be more
still no warrior tho
snow hamlet
slim hamlet
i use ambush even tho TS sims higher
balmy condor
are we just linking sims for fun
slim hamlet
feels better for dance
slim hamlet
are we just linking sims for fun
slim hamlet
are we just linking sims for fun
snow hamlet
balmy condor
slim hamlet
send sim?
exotic hearth
Should we macro in dance and KB or keep them separate for the crit buff mid KB? or does it even matter
balmy condor
Should we macro in dance and KB or keep them separate for the crit buff mid KB? ...
macro
dance first
not going dance->kb is a problem
exotic hearth
Ok, so opener should be like: Gar, rup, gar, snd, DM, shiv, dance/kb macro. Right?
scarlet sable
be nice
exotic hearth
There wasn't one on IV (or not that I saw) so sorry... Also seems like youd want to extend the buffed garrote instead of making rupture slightly longer when you end up rebuffing it mid dance anyway, so wasnt sure how accurate wowhead may be
exotic hearth
oooohhhhhhh
gilded knoll
^
scarlet sable
is signet brand worth trying to get?
gilded knoll
facts
scarlet sable
or ashes of emebrsould?
slim hamlet
finally someone speaks up about it
slim hamlet
or ashes of emebrsould?
one is active one passive
scarlet sable
should i roll on both
slim hamlet
prolly if u dont got branch or dont like branch
balmy condor
yes
scarlet sable
thanks whispyr
guys fucking good
makes my life easier
should be a solid upgrade here
was thinking idk if u wanna try to use ember towards end of KB
balmy condor
technically 3 seconds into kb is slightly better
but it's not really worth the hassle
just macro and forget
gilded knoll
^
exotic hearth
Does it matter where in the macro to put it or nah
balmy condor
would put it after kb
exotic hearth
Thanks
balmy condor
shouldn't make a difference tho
storm monolith
life is good
queue'd for dungeon
instant pop
i'm in front of last boss
free xp
balmy condor
is dungeon xp that good
scarlet sable
word
slim hamlet
word
scarlet sable
whats the difference between on use vs 3 seconds inn
storm monolith
holy shit this dungeon
pine sentinel
is there anything u can macro tea to
scarlet sable
ehh fuck it maybe ill do that later
balmy condor
is there anything u can macro tea to
no
balmy condor
whats the difference between on use vs 3 seconds inn
like 200 dps
restive falcon
whispyr, is 489 ashes > 483 branch but not better than 489 branch?
slim hamlet
sim
restive falcon
im watching zerocool and wondering why he ashes
slim hamlet
what does that mean
scarlet sable
im keeping it 1000
not even 100, but 1000
what procs ashes dire circumstances?
dps increase to take damage?
slim hamlet
yep ashes/branch goodge
spice surge
what procs ashes dire circumstances?
Half of your team dying
slim hamlet
what procs ashes dire circumstances?
2/3rd of your raid needs to die or something
spice surge
One could say a dire circumstance
slim hamlet
storm monolith
DUDE THIS FEELS AMAZING
sorry but after getting energy econ and bleed talents this feels buttery smooth compared to before
balmy condor
im watching zerocool and wondering why he ashes
because he wants to lmao
he's not beholden to math
he just does what he wants
and that's fine
slim hamlet
scarlet sable
im beholden
past forum
beholden these nuts
balmy condor
bro plays whatever the fuck he wants to and makes it work
goes to show you that damage is one of the less important factors in m+
:)
wind dune
he's not beholden to math
i think its more so due to how cursed branch can get in m+ and ashes is just blast and go.
balmy condor
yeah and I think 3 apples and a jug of milk is a healthy breakfast
wind dune
lmao
slim hamlet
yeah and I think 3 apples and a jug of milk is a healthy breakfast
prolly decent
balmy condor
I'm not gonna try and justify why someone else is doing things that they do
fucking ask them
lmao
scarlet sable
plus dire circumstances
balmy condor
the dire circumstances thing is bait as fuck
balmy condor
it procs when 2/3rds of your group has died
not like as a meme
that's by definition
when it procs
slim hamlet
scarlet sable
whats difference between embers and branch
past forum
My first guild I raided with woulda procced ashes every pull
balmy condor
healer and other 2 dps die every pull so you can proc a trinket out of your cds
based lowkey
balmy condor
whats difference between embers and branch
given pretty equal gear around 1.5 to 2%
but because of branch giving a fuck ton of mastery it kinda warps the comparison for people
running ashes means you're missing all the mastery from branch, so sims will put more mastery on your gear
and then you have a bunch of mastery
and branch doesn't look that much better
but that's cause you geared away from it as a result of not using it
past forum
I like getting a lot of my mastery from a trinket cause it makes my gear more palatable to the spec that doesn’t like it
thorn fjord
past forum
I got igira trinket last night, so my pirate cosplay is a bit more realistic
safe mountain
assa will die with new changes 19/12?
weak vessel
yes
slim hamlet
yes
past forum
Yep, the channel already has a kill clock on it, get your memes in by Monday night
weak vessel
66%
weak vessel
Cauz all i see its toxic foot with toxified armor
balmy condor
that's the preferred single target embellishments yeah
weak vessel
single target you say
slim hamlet
Yep
royal lantern
man, Imagine if we could equip the same trinket 2x, and it just makes the trinket effect 2x stronger
slim hamlet
Holy
weak vessel
but every single person i see in wowlogs that push high keys play with toxic and toxified
balmy condor
yeah makes sense
weak vessel
why is that so?
slim hamlet
but every single person i see in wowlogs that push high keys play with toxic and...
Because we don't have infinite crafts
slim hamlet
Unless u found a way
balmy condor
I mean
idk what to say
we have people playing legit a raid build
in m+
for more single target
slim hamlet
That too
balmy condor
most people are still raiding
still progressing
whats the point in crafting an embellishment that might be 0.3% better overall
slim hamlet
St is all that matters in high m+ it feels like right now
dark token
we have people playing legit a raid build
Zerocool is a plague upon the community
Constantly I see questions why he drop CT and uses ashes in m+
balmy condor
idk I disagree with a lot of what he does but dropping CT is fine
slim hamlet
Everyone is dropping CT
balmy condor
it's not the worst thing I've ever seen
slim hamlet
That aint a zerocool cook
dark token
In certain dungeons on tyrannical weeks sure
slim hamlet
Nah
dark token
People are doing it on fortified atal 
slim hamlet
Aoe doesn't matter and u got more than enough with cleave
slim hamlet
People are doing it on fortified atal <:doomed:1072311911061917787>
What matters on atal
Legit ONLY last bosd
Like
Every dungeon is like this
lucid rain
timers other than murozond are nice this season
so you can just focus on not being bad
slim hamlet
Survive bosses = time
balmy condor
how do i sim offhand in droptimizer?
it does it automatically
it'll say offhand or mainhand
scarlet sable
bc it says new oh is only 1%
slim hamlet
Kill shit mobs fast =/= win
weak vessel
This is my current build
balmy condor
bc it says new oh is only 1%
whats the new and whats the old
dark token
Timers are nice until you start pushing 27 28 and then it's not so nice
You need every ounce of DPS
lucid rain
I believe it
weak vessel
@balmy condor what do you have to say about the build? Im only playing keys.
balmy condor
idk it looks like gear
slim hamlet
Interesting question
scarlet sable
t swift to my 447 OH
balmy condor
idk what I would have to say about a rogue wearing leather pieces and 2 daggers and recommended trinekts
sweet shore
Lol
scarlet sable
on fyrakk is it worth popping 2nd KB or holding until phase
i feel like i lose a use if i do but dont get a full one
balmy condor
t swift to my 447 OH
what ilvl is the new one
scarlet sable
476
scarlet sable
yea
dark token
on fyrakk is it worth popping 2nd KB or holding until phase
Depends entirely on ur groups timers
scarlet sable
right
dark token
I like to start phase 2 with an immediate deathmark if timer works out
dark token
Holding the kb... when you are deathmarking??
scarlet sable
im sending it on pull everything
then KB comes up close to p2
so idk if i hold or send
carmine shore
I’d check lorrgs and snag a top parse and see what they do
pine sentinel
!wa
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misty holly
Yeah Fyrakk phases at health percent so only you know if there is time to use the cooldown or not.
scarlet sable
we lust P3
solid mica
This is my current build
Your vers looks pretty low to me
scarlet sable
so im thinking last adds hold DM for that
chilly marsh
!fuu
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gilded oasis
idk what I would have to say about a rogue wearing leather pieces and 2 daggers ...
but what if I put on cloth
balmy condor
then you break your hidden passive for 5% agi and lose a fuck ton of damage
spice spire
It might be worth
rotund oak
then you break your hidden passive for 5% agi and lose a fuck ton of damage
irrelevant question
but what is ur favorite food
spice spire
Don’t let big theorycrafting tear you down
limpid dagger
hey, just curious. is this macro trolling or g2g?
balmy condor
looks good to me
gilded oasis
Don’t let big theorycrafting tear you down
Ty
limpid dagger
Sweet, ty. I wasnt sure if there was a reason to ever cast mutilate if ambush was available.
i dont think so. i copied from a warrior one
rotund oak
ye thought so,coz i was sweating to understand if my 10 year old stance macros missing something
stable storm
do we prio slamming 4p explosion on aoe, or play like !pool ?
balmy condor
but what is ur favorite food
big fan of meat, like a good prime rib or a steak. Very partial to schnitzel thought since that's a very heavy comfort food for me growing up, with a nice mushroom sauce? pretty lit
balmy condor
do we prio slamming 4p explosion on aoe, or play like !pool ?
in aoe you have energy from multidotting so nothing to pool for
stable storm
ah ok
gilded oasis
hold this 
spice spire
big fan of meat, like a good prime rib or a steak. Very partial to schnitzel tho...
I know how much you like meat pal
balmy condor
I'm into that shmeat
spice spire
Don’t I know it 😫
gilded oasis
schnitzel is good
balmy condor
rotund oak
thats a legit A+ taste for food right there
gilded oasis
thanks momspyr
spice spire
The mushroom talk when
balmy condor
love mushrooms
spice spire
Amen gang
gilded oasis
huh
balmy condor
I mean
gilded oasis
rotund oak
🤣
gilded oasis
im getting better at eating mushrooms
rotund oak
that takes practice
spice spire
reminds me of men
Dog ?
spice spire
6.7/10
past forum
"why did my kb go on cd but my weakaura didnt pop up?" .....oh..... /wrists
balmy condor
spice spire
lucid rain
man's head is a cross between a triangle and an onion
spice spire
balmy condor
true and real
past forum
i feel like tanks think its illegal to have larry face 1 direction for more than a second
forest notch
i feel like tanks think its illegal to have larry face 1 direction for more than...
true
also illegal to allow rogues to restealth
balmy condor
they shouldn't be letting you restealth optimally
gilded oasis
scarlet sable
Why does every tank get nasty when I ask for a restealth
I don’t play that shit I will burn this key down
prisma monolithBOT
Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
- You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
balmy condor
because it's not worth asking for a restealth
balmy condor
you're slowing down the key
forest notch
for me its not about the dmg, its thre spreading of my bleeds and the opening AOE silence each pull
scarlet sable
Yeah same
gilded oasis
I like a nice restealth before boss cause it feels good but 
spice spire
We have vanish and dance
rotund oak
u can just play outlaw and dont care
forest notch
u can just play outlaw and dont care
I mean im learning it haha but not there ye
balmy condor
for me its not about the dmg, its thre spreading of my bleeds and the opening AO...
if the tank needs the aoe silence then they're not chaining into that pull anyway
rotund oak
Very important
ye but outlaw can vanish every 30sec or something 😄
scarlet sable
With the little WA gun loading I had
spice spire
used to be for HO
I think @midnight mist is a ho as much as the next guy but wtf
scarlet sable
I was rolling those bones let me tell you
forest notch
if the tank needs the aoe silence then they're not chaining into that pull anywa...
def fels like we lose a lot of dmg not being able to quickly spread our bleeds
scarlet sable
Shit made me wanna throw the house on red
spice spire
So many times
scarlet sable
Alright alright
balmy condor
2-3 times a patch, every patch, since 9.0
scarlet sable
now now
I want to formerly introduce the rogue discord to Zyn
The future of nicotine delivery
forest notch
im not referring the improved garrote vs not imprived. more so the bleeding all tergets everytime for like 0.5 second of the tank stopping to breath.
balmy condor
forest notch
where is the math, im happy to go read/watch it. Just dont know where it is
scarlet sable
Archer look it’s a losing battle I hear you it sucks not getting restealths
But he’s a streamer / content creator and all that so
rotund oak
def fels like we lose a lot of dmg not being able to quickly spread our bleeds
not rly,in the long run u pretty much ''exhale'' every 1min in a small-big window sequence(kb/dance and DM-KB-Dance).Thats where ur most dmg comes from
rotund oak
the dude actually has a video
proving
that restealth doesnt matter
that much
litrally
its not a streamer or content creator thing or anything
he basicly created the entire sin prfile u all play right now
balmy condor
But he’s a streamer / content creator and all that so
sorry that you're too lazy to do the math yourself fucking bozo
forest notch
not rly,in the long run u pretty much ''exhale'' every 1min in a small-big windo...
not when im following the wowhead aoe guides where it says get garrotes/ruptures on everything before dropping DM/KB and if I dont have stealth to do this then by the time thats done I end up getting in like 1/4 of my KB since shits half dead
balmy condor
this doesn't have anything to do with me
this is just
something that's been untrue
for many years
in every form
rotund oak
not when im following the wowhead aoe guides where it says get garrotes/ruptures...
u got dance and CT and FoK for 3+ targets to rupture tabbing
and exhale in that window
just study the specc bette
scarlet sable
So now I’m a bozo
rotund oak
i did the same mistake
forest notch
Dance is used with every KB unless I dont do that in keys
scarlet sable
Bozo the clown over here
balmy condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nfLN6DtAaZYB3MvNtCjbbi here's a sim with cleave, dungeonslice, and I legit disallowed the sim from using stealth
rotund oak
what does that even mean
