assassination

[willow wren]

Ye trynna explain it to someone just thought a visual aid would help

but I'll just type it

[thorn fjord]

Could use MS Paint

[woeful meteor]

did you sim which one is better dmg/whats your feel craft on it

will be inconsequential at the end anyway tho

[balmy condor]

There isn’t one way to do it because there’s different situations

On larodar you can’t skip rupture cause you need caustic up

[thorn fjord]

Can you put every situation on a spread sheet? Kthx

[balmy condor]

On gnarlroot and Igira you can

[slim hamlet]

this larry opener propaganda

smh my head

[balmy condor]

On tindral you accelerate just to get the cooldowns for p2

[balmy condor]

Tf you talking about

[woeful meteor]

only care about tindral

[slim hamlet]

Only doing it for parses my head shaking

[earnest remnant]

its stupid not to do it

free dmg from just existing

[thorn fjord]

Hi I’m stupid

[balmy condor]

On tindral you go as fast as possible regardless of how bad it is just so you get it for shields

[slim hamlet]

Yes but I would rather have full opener and do dmg to the boss that matters

rather than adds that legit dont matter at all

[thorn fjord]

Then don’t run splatter 😛

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

Larodar adds don’t matter

[slim hamlet]

Only the first adds that dont matter

[balmy condor]

Kek fucking w

[slim hamlet]

They explode before they can even cast even without cc

[balmy condor]

Yes

That’s your job

[slim hamlet]

Funny how they do that without me doing accelerated

[balmy condor]

Yep

They’d die faster if you did though

Which is strictly an improvement

[slim hamlet]

Not rly

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

When them dying 0.3sec faster has 0 impact

[balmy condor]

Okay

You’re entitled to an incorrect opinion

I’ll full pump the boss next week and then afk for 15 seconds while we hold dps

Because we pushed too fast

Sounds good champ

[earnest remnant]

also boss is not a dps check

[slim hamlet]

neither is the first adds

[earnest remnant]

control adds + space

and its gg

[balmy condor]

That’s not the fucking point

No shot

You’re actually this dense about this

[earnest remnant]

its like on tindral

[slim hamlet]

So none of them matter

[earnest remnant]

roots arent an issue

but you still wanna get rid of them asap

[slim hamlet]

Why would I change something for something that doesn't matter

[earnest remnant]

if you wanted max boss dmg on larodar, just go sub and hammer it

[grim tangle]

okay now that's wrong

no way sub is the play when the only damage that matters in killing the boss faster in execute

[slim hamlet]

yea

[balmy condor]

Nobody cares what you do, but its objectively better to accelerate

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[balmy condor]

Like

[slim hamlet]

Tell me what good killing the adds in half a second max faster

when they die before they even have a chance to cast

[gray crest]

Same dude, I'm sitting here waiting for my car to get serviced and getting free entertainment

[slim hamlet]

I legit dont see how that ever is a thing u care about

Guess which one of these is with and without an accelerated

[earnest remnant]

less time the rest of raid has to hit them, they are gonna do more dmg in those 0.5 than you would not accelerating your opener just saying

[thorn fjord]

Waiting for them to finish setting up this Olive Garden in the break room

[balmy condor]

You get to not hold dps for half a second, you can dm earlier so it doesn’t fuck you on the move 2 minutes in, you have CDs up sooner for p2

But if you don’t care about any of that

No point

Who cares

Play internal

Slam boss

Go for it

[thorn fjord]

Thats what i was saying

[balmy condor]

The world is your oyster

[thorn fjord]

You're up early today... Any fun plans

[slim hamlet]

Had no problem with moving and I only held for 6 seconds before last phase

[balmy condor]

Breakfast with the girl

[slim hamlet]

holding has no meaning unless u lose a cast

[balmy condor]

Fantastic

You do you then

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

And you can let the people that want to do more damage, do more damage

That’s fine

[slim hamlet]

This also lines orb up perfect for 2nd KB

idk how it looks with accelerated

Looking at ther top 10 logs 3 of them do accelerated

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

Her*

[balmy condor]

Real

[slim hamlet]

why not both

[spice spire]

I barely know her that’s why bozo

Tho if she can deal with whispyr I’m sure she’s great

[slim hamlet]

huh

Thought we were talking about who gets Whispyr

[spice spire]

Oh

I thought you meant breakfast with both

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

How was that what u read

[rotund oak]

thats why u have a different talent tree for larodar and tswift

sounds reasonable

me like

[balmy condor]

What

[slim hamlet]

wat

[rotund oak]

for the adds

u play spatter

[slim hamlet]

u do that on both?

[balmy condor]

You play spatter on both

[rotund oak]

yes

[slim hamlet]

❓

[stiff pivot]

Im going to play ww on both

[rotund oak]

u play spatter for fights with adds

[stiff pivot]

[fleet pagoda]

my dear omniscient assassination enjoyers; does lethality interact with garrote ticks or is it just for those girthy, veiny 15k mutilate crits?

[slim hamlet]

so why are u saying u play different builds?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[rotund oak]

than the rest ST fights

language barrier sorry

[stiff pivot]

I am actively inting my guild @slim hamlet

[balmy condor]

Yep, garrote generates a combo point, so it works on garrote

[slim hamlet]

Our ww just swapped to DH

[stiff pivot]

I don't think my rogue is ready yet

[slim hamlet]

Its a gg we just went up by at least 200 world ranks

[stiff pivot]

I may just play mw but I suck at healing

[slim hamlet]

Does lethality actually work on all of garrote, or jus initial hit?

[rotund oak]

imagine playing monk

[stiff pivot]

It's fun ;(

[rotund oak]

sucks

[balmy condor]

Garrote doesn’t have an initial hit

[rotund oak]

its cringe

[stiff pivot]

Rogue is only like 477

[slim hamlet]

Yea ok wasn't even sure about that

[stiff pivot]

Slacking

[rotund oak]

😦

[slim hamlet]

Lethality being so good makes more and more sense by the day

[stiff pivot]

Ww monk is extremely fun but blizzard doesn't what to do with it

[fleet pagoda]

yeah that's what got me tripped up; since it doesn't do damage-on-cast assumed it was either all or nothing with lethality

[stiff pivot]

Or they forgot it exists

[balmy condor]

Wait until you realize that kingsbane is a combo point generator

[slim hamlet]

Yea I knew that

[stiff pivot]

Pardon

[rotund oak]

its one combo point

[slim hamlet]

Idk why I didn't connect that it would also do all of garrote

[rotund oak]

but ye it generates cp

😄

[stiff pivot]

Don't use cp as an acronym pls lmao

[tawny geyser]

I really dont know if I'm doing this right, but it's giving me some weird gems.

[regal kiln]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/ckM3fYr6w4GTFpJn/dDpKHAmw86M4zbPg#fight=9,77&source=4,Rowge&type=damage-done can someone analyze briefly the logs of this dude, i saw that this morning and i could not find someone that could explain how he deals so few damage

[slim hamlet]

cp was used for combo points before what people assume it is now

[stiff pivot]

Oh

[slim hamlet]

if u think of the other thing that's rough on you

[stiff pivot]

R u sure

[slim hamlet]

Absolutely not

[rotund oak]

yes im sure

[stiff pivot]

It's used on police reports

[slim hamlet]

I just said it

But it would make sense

[sweet dawn]

Little robot man says vers gem, go vers gem (if you care about the 1k dps)

[balmy condor]

I looked it up, it’s either cerebral palsy or the Comboios de Portugal

[slim hamlet]

I had never thought about it until he just said it tbh

[stiff pivot]

I like the latter

[balmy condor]

Sorry to offend the people of the Portuguese railway

[fleet pagoda]

it's cyberpunk obv

[slim hamlet]

[rotund oak]

[tawny geyser]

But it's also telling me to stack haste gems with mastery..I'm so confused.
I dont know if the lil robot is right.

[stiff pivot]

Whats the difference in sim

Is it within margin of error

[slim hamlet]

robot is legit always right

besides some niche trinkets for example

[balmy condor]

Legit just 1 trinket

In 2 expansions

On one spec

[slim hamlet]

only one I can think of is fragment which was just oversimming

Yea

That was my point

[stiff pivot]

That 1 fire trinket from uh

Ulduman

Simmed really good for me

[slim hamlet]

And apparently branch is only good if u do it absolutely perfect for some classes

[stiff pivot]

But it was dog

[balmy condor]

The raid horn?

[slim hamlet]

but I am a one trick so dont ask me about it

[stiff pivot]

Yeah

[tawny geyser]

It's also telling me the Torc is better than the Fire Neck from Tindral that I had to beg the dude to trade it to me and also spending 15k + gold on the gems that seems to not have any function based on the sim...

[balmy condor]

Raid horn was not dog lmao

[stiff pivot]

It was for me on ww

[vestal wren]

raid horn was just annoying

[slim hamlet]

I heard both good and bad about that horn

[balmy condor]

The good being it does damage

[stiff pivot]

I thought it oversimmed

[slim hamlet]

Did u try hitting the enemy with it?

[balmy condor]

The bad being it damages you

[vestal wren]

it would share damage if it hits you

[stiff pivot]

No I tried hitting myself only and popping karma

[vestal wren]

so hitting you or others would make it do less iirc

[slim hamlet]

that's hyper cringe

holy

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

holy

tech

[stiff pivot]

I am the giant brain man

That's why I play ww

[balmy condor]

What’s the difference between them

In dps

[slim hamlet]

It depends on your gear too

[stiff pivot]

Things are always going yo sim different per character

[slim hamlet]

My 1500 vers neck is better than tindral neck right now because of my other gear

[stiff pivot]

Yeah depends on gear

[slim hamlet]

be how it be

[tawny geyser]

1k

[balmy condor]

Gz on the gains

[stiff pivot]

[slim hamlet]

so a good 0.2%

[stiff pivot]

Based

[slim hamlet]

margain being 0.2%

[balmy condor]

It’s neither 0.2

[stiff pivot]

MarGAIN

[tawny geyser]

0.5% 😛

[balmy condor]

Nor is margin 0.2

So wrong both ways

But yeah

Close enough

[slim hamlet]

I took random numbers Whispyr

The point was there

[stiff pivot]

Ww Buffs this week or I go rogue full time and get sat either way

Pray for me

[fallow canopy]

dude on the left has no wft nor a monk

[tawny geyser]

Man I really fucking hate this...old times you knew which item is best for you and that's it, no extra bullshit.
Now it's all about these little numbers.

[balmy condor]

It just doesn’t help your argument when you sound like an idiot pulling random numbers out of your ass

But yes

[fallow canopy]

shit daggers too compared to the other guy with a 483 nicholas

[balmy condor]

The point remains

[stiff pivot]

By my calculations

[regal kiln]

yeah but why the damage dif is so huge specially for kingsbane specifically

[stiff pivot]

What's the crit %

On their KB

[slim hamlet]

Sorry I offended u dad

[stiff pivot]

You can get extremely unlucky with crits

[balmy condor]

This wasn’t the case back then either, it just wasn’t possible to have the same precision, but if we could simulate gear back then you’d see the same thing happening. The only thing that’s changed is we understand the differences and are able to compare them better than we were able to 10 years ago

[stiff pivot]

Maybe didn't use vanish in last 3 seconds or used tea before above 6 seconds

[stark bronze]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

U are talking about 1k which is really small number

idk

[fallow canopy]

39% vs 82%, rough

[stiff pivot]

Oof

That will do it

Obviously there can be other factors

But not critting KB hits is sad

[slim hamlet]

holey

[tawny geyser]

I dont care about 1k or even 5k.

I follow Whispyr and his guides, but when I sim the stuff that he provides, it tells me otherwise.
Every single Rogue wears mastery+crit gems and this idiot is telling me to wear haste+verse...
Like wtf...

[slim hamlet]

39% crit is actually wild

[slim hamlet]

Bis lists are bis lists

[balmy condor]

That’s how gear works yes

[slim hamlet]

best possible option if u could choose exact gear

[stiff pivot]

You probably just already have a lot of those stats

[slim hamlet]

Not based on your gear

[stiff pivot]

So the other stats gain value

[stiff pivot]

% won't tell me much

[fallow canopy]

I'm pretty sure he missed the timing on his last vanish so that may also be a factor

[tame tangle]

what are you confused about dude

[balmy condor]

Crit > mastery is the most braindead method we have to evaluate stats and it doesn’t factor in anything about your character

[slim hamlet]

yea u got low vers, lowish crit and high mastery

[balmy condor]

It’s just not accurate enough

[stiff pivot]

I honestly hate how much people focus on stats

[balmy condor]

You’re simming yourself, which is more accurate

[slim hamlet]

and u suprised mastery is bad

[tame tangle]

nobody not even whispyr can magically tell you how to stat ur items lol

[balmy condor]

You’re telling me

[fallen forge]

whispyr have u thought of just spreading misinfo on april 1st

[stiff pivot]

I see it every day on warlock discord

[tame tangle]

boomers vs raidbots

[slim hamlet]

robot can pretty easily

[fallen forge]

like vers >> agi > haste > crit = mast

[stiff pivot]

It's so easy to just sim and copy the robot and go on with your day

[tame tangle]

obviously, that’s the point

[stiff pivot]

If stats and stat %s were so important you'd see it in the guides

[slim hamlet]

haste = crit = mastery = look at what the bot says 🙂

[inner sedge]

what are bis trinkets for assa m+?

[balmy condor]

After seeing other theorycrafters do that and get questions about it until mid June, I think I’m good

[fallen forge]

idk why ppl tend to get stuck up on stats so much. robot is love robot is life

[slim hamlet]

prolly pips/sandglass + branch/ashes

[earnest remnant]

its fine ill do it for you whispyr

[fallen forge]

[earnest remnant]

Ashes > branch

[stiff pivot]

I like sandglass on my rogue

[earnest remnant]

[inner sedge]

actually?

[stiff pivot]

As a passive

[fallen forge]

we started nymue prog and i legit cant even see the branch orbs on pull

[balmy condor]

You and the rest of the channel

[slim hamlet]

Man I just spend 30 runs to get branch and now u telling me it's F tier?

[earnest remnant]

I GOT ONE

[fallen forge]

doesnt help that for some reason all the melee are stacking one side

[earnest remnant]

i win

later peepz

[stiff pivot]

Whispy what's your characters name? If you're comfortable telling me

[fallen forge]

so i sneaky hit boss on other side with just a tank for ez orbs

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/peach-and-goma-gif-9872673187939618574

[fallen forge]

i mean he streams so its not exactly a secret

[stiff pivot]

I stand on the tanks on igira

[slim hamlet]

Yes but he knows none of us can read

[stiff pivot]

Ah I'm not a big twitch watcher

Never actively went out to look for their character name

[fallen forge]

not knowing how to read is a requirement for any wow class discord

[clever sapphire]

how did you react with a proper reaction to his answer to trees question

[stiff pivot]

We know how to read but it's selective reading

I choose not to see what you wrote

[slim hamlet]

trees question?

But it's telepathic

words in here aren't read they are being consumed

u know

[stiff pivot]

Rogue brethren

[slim hamlet]

Oh his name is Tree

[stiff pivot]

Wtf

[clever sapphire]

3 people, 1 summ stone, no summs, usual pug exp

[stiff pivot]

[fallen forge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/US/Area52/Whíspyr
unless im mistaken this is his character

[balmy condor]

Bpabnpok would be quite upset to hear you slandering his name like that

[fallen forge]

i usually just look at his positioning for fights

[signal wren]

does anyone else have an issue where you will for example press mutilate and the animation and sound will play but it does no damage and gives no combo points as if it was never pressed?

[clever sapphire]

fun fact, they did one summon, it was him

[slim hamlet]

That's a name that is hard to slander

tbh

[stiff pivot]

Whoa whispy pro

[balmy condor]

“Pro”

[fallen forge]

who is bpabnpok

am i missing lore

[slim hamlet]

U do get money for gaming the game

[balmy condor]

Parry?

[slim hamlet]

So technically pro

[stiff pivot]

I'm a pro heroic raider

Mythic I parse 4

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[signal wren]

can a boss parry when im behind it?

[stiff pivot]

No

[fallen forge]

i've been there buddy

[slim hamlet]

no

[fallen forge]

i mean im still there

[signal wren]

or a target dummy

[balmy condor]

The guy in his group, you know, bpabnpok

[fallen forge]

but i have been there too

[stiff pivot]

@fallen forge I died twice on our larodar kill lol

But I saved the group

[balmy condor]

No

[stiff pivot]

You know what was really cool

Sennarth could parry

Good luck getting behind her

[fallow canopy]

throw yourself to the void and shadowstep

ez

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[stiff pivot]

Then get gripped bypriest

[fallow canopy]

shadowstep on that boss put you on the front

[fallen forge]

i feel like im still missing lore

[fallow canopy]

to avoid the obvious thing happening I guess

[pure sail]

Anybody did not jump the sub wagon for mythic smol? Trying to figure out if it’s worth learning the spec or if sin will do just fine

[proven jasper]

i have a clip of my rupture getting parried 3x by sennarth

[stiff pivot]

Idk if it's just me or maybe I only notice on monk but as a ww main I get parried SO much

[proven jasper]

Krill issue ig

[slim hamlet]

You telling us you don't know Bpabnpok?

[stiff pivot]

On the monk*

[fallen forge]

bro i tried learning the spec for like a week straight i still dont know shit about sub

too complicated for my smol brain

[slim hamlet]

Sub is objectively better, but sin is still top tier so if u cba learning or are just more comfortable with not fucking mechanics up with sin, just go sin

[balmy condor]

He linked a picture of pugs not summoning, the guys name is bpabnpok

[stiff pivot]

Not much to miss tbh lol

[thorn fjord]

I love bimbimbop

[stiff pivot]

Whoa

[slim hamlet]

Isn't that a dish?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[stiff pivot]

Boombambop

[balmy condor]

Isn’t it bimbimbap

[thorn fjord]

Probably@

[slim hamlet]

and it looks fucking good

yea

with a

[stiff pivot]

Omg wtf

I want that

[balmy condor]

Wait

[fallen forge]

is this like recent or

[thorn fjord]

Public school system failed me

[fallen forge]

did u make this

[slim hamlet]

no lol

[fallen forge]

damn

[balmy condor]

Theres only 1 m as well isn’t there

[thorn fjord]

It’s shredded beef

[fallen forge]

i was gonna ask to move in with u

[slim hamlet]

I have had it before

[balmy condor]

Am I getting double baited

Bibimbap

[stiff pivot]

Yes

[balmy condor]

[thorn fjord]

It’s a kbbq dish

So good

[slim hamlet]

I said "is that a dish" as a joke, didn't expect him to actually intentionally try to say it

lol

I just knew I had heard something like that before

[slim hamlet]

thought it was thai

[feral owl]

Hey guys

[slim hamlet]

nop defiitely korean

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/0001-gif-17282391190974969363

[thorn fjord]

Yeah it’s Korean

Japanese bbq will sometimes have it too tho

[feral owl]

im new as Rogue which build do i play as newbie in m+? On wowhead i see 5 m+ speccs idk its a bit to much fo rme

[neat plank]

that big tank mob before the battle boss in rise, why do I always have insane burst on him? what makes him different from other single target fights

[slim hamlet]

Thai food is ultimate BIS

[thorn fjord]

Love me some Masaman Curry bro

[slim hamlet]

prolly hybrid of arterial

Both play the same

[balmy condor]

It was literally right above, I even replied to the picture

[thorn fjord]

It’s so good

[feral owl]

hybrik or aterial?

hm ok

i try them

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

Arterial probably the one u can fuck up the least

I would assume

[fallen forge]

Oh shit I finally see it

Idk how i missed that screenshot lmao

[stiff pivot]

Grilled pls

[balmy condor]

Probably because you’re the only one popping cooldowns on trash right before a boss idk

[feral owl]

how do u mean?

[slim hamlet]

only took 5+ mins

[neat plank]

well I pop cooldowns on bosses too and dps doesnt go as high

[slim hamlet]

U play both the exact same, but if u forget something I would assume hybrid fucks u more than arterial

Is what I mean

[feral owl]

ok

so i try aterial

[fallen forge]

I’ve been having a lot of fun with the No crimson tempest build

[slim hamlet]

Same

But I would not recommend for new players or lower key gamers

[fallen forge]

Sometimes packs die before second shiv so I just send that shit on the next pack

[slim hamlet]

Yap

[balmy condor]

Skill issue idk

[slim hamlet]

How does shiv with spatter work again, spatter only takes the initial dmg before shiv amp right?

Like it doesn't double dip from shiv on main and shiv on alt targets

[fallen forge]

Tbh I would just recommend outlaw for lower keys anyway

[slim hamlet]

ehhh

maybe idk

[fallen forge]

Sin in lower keys just feels frustrating

[balmy condor]

Spatter damage is calculated before target damage modifiers, so the only thing that matters is if shiv is on the off-targets

[fallen forge]

Unless I’m doing like below 10 and I’m trying some sudden demise shenanigans

[slim hamlet]

Yea I thought that

But couldn't remember if it actually was that

Was just thinking about if hybrid build cared about having that "free" shiv on another pull without KB on lower keys, but I guess it kinda does nothing besides main target then

[slim hamlet]

Just send bleeds + CT and click shiv

and they explode on 30%

[fallen forge]

ye but it bugs me when i cant properly set up kingsbane

i should prob just go straight into it first tho

instead of getting that envenom up

[slim hamlet]

idk

I am not optimizing anything in a +17

[fallen forge]

oh ye for sure, just feels bad to me when im not lol

[slim hamlet]

Tried one run of outlaw when I had really high io early patch, tried to boost a friend in a +16 or something and the random pug tank flamed me for being boosted

Feeling got hurt so I aint doing that again

[fallen forge]

[slim hamlet]

Despair

[fallen forge]

smol keys only

[slim hamlet]

I didn't even do that bad

He flamed me on the literal second pull of the dungeon

I didn't even know my keybind yet, like chill

[fallen forge]

lmfao

outlaw on high ping lowkey sucks tho

[slim hamlet]

Any rogue on high ping I would assume sucks

a lot of tracking things for this class

[fallen forge]

sometimes i send a bte when im in subterfuge or sd window and i still get it on cd

nah imo sin is the most forgiving

[slim hamlet]

BTE was hard to react to for me even with sound wa

but I have also only done 1 dungeon so might be better with time

[fallen forge]

cause even during its burst window its not too much to handle

[slim hamlet]

Outlaw definitely A LOT harder than s1 where I played it in m+

[sonic schooner]

yea gotta have a finger always ready to press bte and never spam keyboards or rotation goes scuffed

[fallen forge]

ye over time you just get a feel for it

man i highkey miss my 30 ping fated season outlaw rogue

flagellation was fun af

no thoughts only vibes

[slim hamlet]

Fated outlaw was the best thing I have played until this seasons sin rogue

that shit was goated

[fallen forge]

now that i think about it u right

[sonic schooner]

you mean flag dreadblades with dust leg?

😳

my beloved

[slim hamlet]

Legit full cp every single builder

and infinite energy

that shit was wicked

and I had no idea what I was doing in shadowlands

and it was still sick

[fallen forge]

yo same i had like a 3 week training arc where a friend had to remind me constantly to press blade flurry in keys

[slim hamlet]

I don't even know how I got good in dragonflight

or well I joined discords and shit

But I already looked at guides and videos in shadowlands, just sucked ass

[thorn fjord]

Fated OL is the best iteration of rogue period

Was the best

[slim hamlet]

I still think this current assassination is bis

[thorn fjord]

Nah

Not even close

[slim hamlet]

and this outlaw is also pretty good on paper tbh

[raw wyvern]

currently just trying to free up space from my wonky bars, we add racial, pot and trinket to deathmark no?

[stiff pivot]

I do

Ez

[slim hamlet]

ya

[fallen forge]

depends on the trinket

[sonic schooner]

Kyrian dust outlaw was also great, very hard, maybe a bit too hard, but great

[thorn fjord]

This current sin play style is wack with the tier bonus imo

[slim hamlet]

Depends on trinket

and u might not want pot macroed

but u definitely can

[fallen forge]

i always pot macro bc i will 100% forget if i dont

[raw wyvern]

just thinking in general i could see scenarios if you have like mirror and branch because you can't have anything else you prob. delay one over the other etc.

[thorn fjord]

New tree with flag and DB on OL with obedience was soooo goated

Flag was basically always off CD

And DB is an amazing button imo

[proven jasper]

If youre stuck with two on use i would save second trinket to line with kb

[slim hamlet]

Good thing Dreadblades is now called shadow blades and is sub talent

[lusty surge]

What's the radius on spatter? 5yd I assume?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/xdd-xdding-cat-cute-cursed-gif-27104766

[slim hamlet]

12

[lusty surge]

Wtf really

[slim hamlet]

yas

[lusty surge]

That's enormous

[slim hamlet]

yap

It got buffed in ptr and early patch

wicked

[lusty surge]

That talent is actually insane lol

[proven jasper]

Its goated

[sonic schooner]

i cant disagree that s my favorite iteration of outlaw, but the power in keys of kyrian dust double kicks double kidneys was hard to pull off but so good aswell

[slim hamlet]

Spatter probably the single most goated talent we have

[sonic schooner]

Obedience

[slim hamlet]

KB is real close

[proven jasper]

Spatter straight carrying the cleave

[raw wyvern]

so i might be lacking sleep or something but is mouseover garrote and rupture a thing or are we spreading from the target we tunnel into? in like m+ etc.

[slim hamlet]

Imagine if we didnt have spatter on this raid

[lusty surge]

Yeah I finally connected the dots about using spatter on m igira for the spears

[slim hamlet]

We would actually do nothing for a lot of fights

[lusty surge]

But I thought I was definitely missing some of the spears that didn't stack in

[sonic schooner]

Spatter + 4p does so much aoe without trying too much, i love the current sin as well

[slim hamlet]

4pc also helping a good bit

[proven jasper]

If we were still playing 10.1.5 sin rn i think my mental would have died already

[lusty surge]

Yeah I'm really digging this iteration

[sonic schooner]

Also IC being a passiv, let s talk about how good that is

[slim hamlet]

I would definitely not have played assassination if we didnt get rewrok right now

[thorn fjord]

I miss her

[sonic schooner]

Now flag gives mastery 😔 where our versa

[proven jasper]

Doing keys as sin last season

[sonic schooner]

i only have 41% baseline 😔

[lusty surge]

It annoys me that I actually suffer from no restealths with IC now

[slim hamlet]

20% free DR is simply not enough

[thorn fjord]

S2 SL sin was nice too tho… people hated the frost rune play but I thought it was a vibe

[lusty surge]

But on balance it's still better and anyway shadow dance makes it fine

[slim hamlet]

U dont suffer from no restealths

[proven jasper]

You have vanish and dance in keys

You should be fine like 100% of the time

[sonic schooner]

i ecking enjoyed my SoD prog as assa with frost gems omg

[slim hamlet]

Restealths are even less important this season than usual

because u have 1 min "vanish"

[sonic schooner]

Whenever shit critted for idk how much but too much

[lusty surge]

I mean it's gotta be worse than s1

[sonic schooner]

gasm

[proven jasper]

Huh

[slim hamlet]

How

[lusty surge]

Except dance and vanish go a long way

[proven jasper]

its 100x better than season1 rn

[thorn fjord]

Was critting for 175k

[slim hamlet]

On spiteful where u legit dont go out of combat the whole dungeon, u will have like 2-3 pulls with no vanish and dance right at the start

[thorn fjord]

In SL lol

[sonic schooner]

Restealth is just a gameplay thing, you dont lose that much dps. You can argue for missing on iron wire which is big BUT as said vanish and dance carry it

[slim hamlet]

If dance didn't exist, then yes it would be more cringe

[lusty surge]

Ya I mean the package as a whole is a lot better

[slim hamlet]

But dance does in fact exist

[sonic schooner]

in SL we hadnt IC, got to tab rupture tab rupture

[thorn fjord]

You can dance if you want to you can live your friends behind

[sonic schooner]

i'm used to it

[slim hamlet]

I was dooming for spiteful

[sonic schooner]

Also tab sbs tab sbs, also tab garr tab garr

[slim hamlet]

and then it was just not an issue at all

[sonic schooner]

[slim hamlet]

Would be better if u could actually just not be in combat with random spiteful for no reason

but u are not doomed

[sonic schooner]

one thing was good in m+ SL as sin, you could spam CT it was not bad

[slim hamlet]

did that in s1 and s2 too

[thorn fjord]

Playing sin in keys during SL was a straight INT

[lusty surge]

Wonder if anyone's run the dslice sim with no restealths?

I remember in s1 it was like barely a loss to literally get none

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr did at some point

Can't remember number but it was minimal

[lusty surge]

Interesting

[slim hamlet]

The worst thing u miss with no restealths are definitely iron wire

But only matters for specific pulls

[thorn fjord]

OL loses more from no restealth now actually

[slim hamlet]

like throne and before first boss everbloom where they insta cast

[lusty surge]

Yep for sure, and that's one of the selling points of sin

So it's unfortunate

But still being able to silence with dance is awesome

[slim hamlet]

Depends, it doesn't count for the time u dont have energy and can't begin spamming envenom already, and also iron wire

[sonic schooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoZDPFk_Zog&t=1595s

[lusty surge]

It always felt bad only being able to cover that every 2m in s1 with vanish

[sonic schooner]

random timestamp but there you ll have every information on why restealth isnt that important

[slim hamlet]

but in what u get from imp garrotes and stuff outlaw loses a lot more

[lusty surge]

Cool ty

[sonic schooner]

in descriuption you have a sheet and all the maths

[lusty surge]

Appreciate the info

[thorn fjord]

Why whispyr so cute tho

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[slim hamlet]

He even cuter with new hair

[sonic schooner]

Whispyr a cutie

But also why jpc didnt play branch?

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

Hate it here

[slim hamlet]

Good

Job done

[thorn fjord]

Fuck branch

We Ash Ketchum up in this bitch

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[fallen forge]

[thorn fjord]

Gonna do quick sims to see if the difference in DPS is still kinda the same with/without PI

[runic hinge]

It is

[thorn fjord]

Without PI https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bacB7YSj3GbTmQjkHw4QLy

With PI https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aLkm36LDZ6v5A3hEDkRf1m

Ah .8% for both

Yeah id rather just run the Ash tbh

[slim hamlet]

skill oasis

It's a lot more for me

[thorn fjord]

Yeah for sure.... My gear is heavy mastery already

Im also colorblind and seeing those stupid balls fucks my life

and i always botch my rotation when i think about the balls

[slim hamlet]

I barely ever look at the balls

[thorn fjord]

KRILL ISSUES BABY

If you grab all the balls at once its a .5% loss?

[stable storm]

guys

cleave / ic raid build good for this week?

[slim hamlet]

syug

[thorn fjord]

stroke?

[slim hamlet]

for high keys cleave gets value

[ornate lake]

Hybrid does too

[slim hamlet]

also even better for bolstering

[stable storm]

ok ty ily

sub is super fun but i need more practice

[cerulean nest]

how do you sim with PI

ive never actually done it lol

[cerulean nest]

lit

[fierce marsh]

Is there a priority in Kingsbane? Like Envenom > dots ?

[ornate lake]

You want both up before using KB

[keen spruce]

I have myth track stick

so harder for me to justify

although

with the amount i fuck up branch

[slim hamlet]

How is it less of a dps loss for u

By a lot than me with 483 only

[keen spruce]

krill issue?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah i rather eliminate that kinda stuff

[keen spruce]

let me pi sim

I also have the issue

of aquiring a heroic Ashes

I might need to run heroic pugs

[runic hinge]

I’ll give you mine

[keen spruce]

wait nvm

it's class agnostic

i can't stack a pug to cheese it

[teal jacinth]

Guys, im learning assassination, do we use ambush, or others fillers and mutilate are just better ?

[keen spruce]

yeah for this

I would drop stick

[slim hamlet]

I find branch fun

[thorn fjord]

yeah my .8 dont mean shit

[slim hamlet]

I wouldn't drop it unless it was actually bad

[keen spruce]

branch is fine

until it isn't

and you have to chase a boss and leave an orb behind

I think i'd get more consistent value from ashes in m+ as well

[slim hamlet]

I have actually never had a problem in m+ with it

I have had on larry and thats pretty much it

but mythic fyrakk and tindral apparently is bad

[keen spruce]

yeah that one cast on larry

at 2m

very cringe

i normally just run into the fire to grab my 3rd orb then step the boss

[slim hamlet]

it was bad for most of progress, but for some reason it got better for me

[thorn fjord]

you just got used to it

[slim hamlet]

I was able to just get the back one first and do it just fine on our kill

[empty pilot]

yeah i agree with you. i have the nice dilemma of having a 489 branch and 483 ashes and i always end up with the branch because of ilvl mostly -- but I do think Im probably not good enough getting balls

[keen spruce]

I don't really mind branch

[empty pilot]

a lot of the time im letting 3 hit me pretty much right off bat

[keen spruce]

but I dont' think most people play it as well as they think they do

[grizzled storm]

Sim bait, stick with ashes

[empty pilot]

yeah i agree

[grizzled storm]

Well unless you can time orbs perfectly

[keen spruce]

well it's not bait. you just have to play correctly

[slim hamlet]

People calling branch sim bait doesn't know what ism bait is

[keen spruce]

and it's not perfectly it's like an enormous window

[slim hamlet]

u dont need to

Proved my point

[empty pilot]

i feel the same about acrobatic strikes. i feel like it'd probably be a net gain in dps for the majority of players in mythic+ in general.. maybe im wrong

[stiff frost]

this the bane of my sin play this season

[slim hamlet]

acrobatic strikes does legit nothing in aoe for us

[fierce marsh]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

All of our aoe is either long range or isnt affected by acrobatic

[keen spruce]

I really don't have any uptime problems in m+ w/o acro

except on those dumb slime dragons in fall because their hitbox is so tiny

[grizzled storm]

Umm if you don't do orbs properly it's clearly a sim bait

[slim hamlet]

All acro would help with is kick range

[slim hamlet]

No

[empty pilot]

yeah i suppose that's a good point

[slim hamlet]

Doing it wrong still makes it 0.5% better

u dont know what u are talking about

[gilded oasis]

"Perfectly" is also like a 4 second window lol

[grizzled storm]

Ok show me the math smartarse

[slim hamlet]

Also u have a 5 second window

[gilded oasis]

its not that hard

[slim hamlet]

it really isnt hard to not fuck up a 5 sec window

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[gilded oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-skinny-sad-skeleton-gif-25565835

[slim hamlet]

I hate no one believes me until a green/orange/purple name says the exact same

[keen spruce]

this is known information

[slim hamlet]

Apprently not

this guy I have never seen before knows its sim bait

so it is

[keen spruce]

i mean like it's not some secret knowledge that one trick made up

[gilded oasis]

to people who read RH *

[keen spruce]

it has already been confirmed and published by the TCs

I doubt any of us just have the sim lying around

the only time branch is worse

is in the situatinos where you can't get your 3rd orb

[slim hamlet]

If TC'ers didn't show it I would expect it to be the case that fucking it up would make ashes better

[keen spruce]

situations

[slim hamlet]

but it just aint

[grizzled storm]

You guys love your cringe branch

[gilded oasis]

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[keen spruce]

I mean I don't like it that much

[south wing]

[slim hamlet]

This is 2 absolute degens in under 24 hours

[fallow acorn]

the goalposts really on the move today

[keen spruce]

that's kinda what we're talking about

[slim hamlet]

can we get 3

[gilded oasis]

[grizzled storm]

You get baited too easily

[south wing]

it’s me I’m here

[slim hamlet]

show me what u cooking

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[runic hinge]

Tyr boss too

[grizzled storm]

I got rank 35 volcoross with ashes and crab lmao

[slim hamlet]

Imagine saying stupid af shit and going "omg lulw get baited n00bs"

[runic hinge]

That dude is so tall and his hitbox is tiny af

[grizzled storm]

At the time

[slim hamlet]

damn u are soo big and good

I wish I was you bro

❤️

[grizzled storm]

Nah I know branch is better I just don't have one

[slim hamlet]

yea u just baited us

got us good

ahah

[grizzled storm]

And I prefer having ease of use with ashes in m plus

[gilded oasis]

GOT YOU BOZO

[frosty turret]

Say on normal, please say on normal 🍿

[slim hamlet]

[keen spruce]

baited idiot

[slim hamlet]

ashes and crab is close to BIS

why would it only be on normal

[grizzled storm]

Nah I'm dommage it was rank 35 at the time I did it

[keen spruce]

if you get gangster crab procs

[gilded oasis]

I mean no one said Ashes is bad, its good. branch is better. But telling someone who doesn't know and is asking questions the wrong answer (branch is simbait) isn't what we do here so yeah you "baited" meveryone good one

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-pull-up-sport-meme-gif-23869250

[gilded oasis]

[thorn fjord]

That’s a gangster crab right there

[slim hamlet]

Got rank 400 igira with this

Because it was week 1 or 2

[south wing]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

[keen spruce]

imagine not farming branch week 1

[slim hamlet]

I did

[thorn fjord]

I spent all of week 1 farming that stupid dagger

[keen spruce]

imagine not successfully farming branch week 1

[slim hamlet]

I did everything my heart could take to not farm it on bursting

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

But I ended up having too

[grizzled storm]

What are the sims like with bis profile and stats tailored to ashes like?

Cause branch devalues the shit out of mastery

[thorn fjord]

Ashes only behind .8% with my gear profile

[slim hamlet]

Alright bucko, show gear

[keen spruce]

probably within a couple of %

[slim hamlet]

Let's see who got best gear bozorino

[gilded oasis]

idk Im not the sim person

[keen spruce]

my guild not on smolderon yet

[stable storm]

guys

where can i find the demon hunter copypastas

[keen spruce]

limited myth track gear

[slim hamlet]

We only just got to smoldy too

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

U are legit gapped so hard

holy

[thorn fjord]

Thems sound like excuses to me bozo @keen spruce

[keen spruce]

no myth nick

we have 3 havocs so they didn't give me the shoulders

[grizzled storm]

I need to know the sims with branch compared to ashes except where ashes is used with a gear set with stats tailored towards it

[earnest remnant]

[thorn fjord]

I posted my sims earlier… can check em out

[slim hamlet]

it's either 0.8% or 0.4% something like that

[keen spruce]

I'm missing so much myth track gear from the first few bosses

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/ree-pepe-triggered-angry-ahhhh-gif-13627544

Show items then not just ilvl bozo

[slim hamlet]

U got the triple socket

fuck

u got the quad socket

[thorn fjord]

Cracked

[slim hamlet]

Wait

where is your embellish

[thorn fjord]

That raccoon is geared to shit

[royal lantern]

welcome too RH spec channels

[earnest remnant]

ring and wrist

[fallow acorn]

what is the addon that shows ilevel and enchants and whatnot

[keen spruce]

are you runnin silken?

[earnest remnant]

ye

[slim hamlet]

oh u gaming mastery thingies?

Tbf I could get 10 ilvls right now if I logged on

idk how much that would be on overall

prolly not enough

[keen spruce]

uh sir we're comparing assassination rogue gear

cheater

[thorn fjord]

I’m capped till next week

[keen spruce]

[gilded oasis]

[thorn fjord]

My rings are trash

[fallow acorn]

😮

[slim hamlet]

I got 59 aspect crests

[earnest remnant]

there you go, thats my assa ilvl

[slim hamlet]

And for some fucking reason u cant uptrade crests if u cant acquire all 15

It legit wont let me waste crests

https://tenor.com/view/diesofcringe-gif-24606059

[slim hamlet]

aintnoway it got better

Well also not fair

[earnest remnant]

486 boots

[slim hamlet]

We only just killed larry this week

[earnest remnant]

what do you mean get better lol

ofc it will

[slim hamlet]

I am good 😦

[keen spruce]

I still need all 3 drops from gnarl

daggie from igira

[south wing]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

[keen spruce]

volc neck

[thorn fjord]

I got lucky it dropped on prog kill

[earnest remnant]

tindral dies sunday, or i do

[slim hamlet]

What time are people killing volcoross heroic in now btw

[slim hamlet]

holy shit u still on tindral

[keen spruce]

shoulders from council

[slim hamlet]

I would have quit by then

[keen spruce]

chest and ring from larry

[earnest remnant]

300 pulls i think

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

how far u got?

[earnest remnant]

2%

[slim hamlet]

easy first pull kill

Everyone knows first pull is really great -> 10 wipes on 95%

[earnest remnant]

assa, need to do some recrafting for fyraak

[slim hamlet]

hot double smoldy myth trinkets

[thorn fjord]

So fucking Juicy

[earnest remnant]

couldve been 486 this week

neck + waist dropped

didn't go to me tho

in shambles

[cerulean nest]

485.18 or something

[slim hamlet]

Why did u pick the other embellish btw?

Was it just for both m+ and raid or?

[earnest remnant]

im a sub main

[slim hamlet]

oh yea

that

[earnest remnant]

i have both

embels

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-holy-schnikes-shocked-gif-12391823

[earnest remnant]

i can just recraft when i need to play assa

[slim hamlet]

oh yea

smort

[real stirrup]

so im having this issue with cruel dreamcarver macro, every time I use the skill it spams "use dreamcarver" in my guild chat - why?

[thorn fjord]

I HATE MY RINGS

[slim hamlet]

I got good rings but low ilvl

[wild horizon]

Hi guys,
I've seen Whispyr's video on how to collect orbs from branch but I'm struggling hard to get them correctly while doing the piano opener, especially since most of the time I don't see shit with all the AOE. Any advice or just practice more ?
Thanks

[slim hamlet]

Nothing beats my rings besides mythic larry one tho since they got sockets

[fallen forge]

Why do you have a macro for it

[slim hamlet]

Download Lowii wa for it

[real stirrup]

so I don't have to think about it

[slim hamlet]

makes it a breeze

[earnest remnant]

thats my ST spatter sim

[grizzled storm]

Ask One Trick he's the god at picking up orbs perfectly

[earnest remnant]

prepped for fyrakk

[slim hamlet]

that aint what it does

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[fallen forge]

Just use it on a mob and gg you don’t have to do anything until you unequip the dagger

[slim hamlet]

It's based on the target u click it on, and u have the buff for as long as u have the dagger equipped

[slim hamlet]

I am actually yea

[woeful meteor]

5 min or how long?

[real stirrup]

Ah right cool - what is the preferred buff and where from?

[slim hamlet]

Everyone with 5+ braincells is

[earnest remnant]

5min

[grizzled storm]

Still rank 58 on volcoross xD

[slim hamlet]

I welcome u to go into my logs and see where I fuck it up ❤️

and also post your logs

I wanna learn from you

[grizzled storm]

Sure

I play the game properly but I did get lucky from a crab proc

I didn't pool correctly all the time since I was shot calling but still not too bad https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TaRjqJ9fvxMY6PnD#fight=38&type=damage-done

[keen spruce]

who's gonna out-sarcasm the other first

[earnest remnant]

rate mine

[slim hamlet]

wtf is that kill timer

[grizzled storm]

Yeah the stars did align

[slim hamlet]

is this from week 1

[grizzled storm]

Nah last week

[slim hamlet]

💀

oh wait nvm last week is fine

[keen spruce]

our fastest is 4:45

help

[slim hamlet]

lmao legit not one boss down

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[earnest remnant]

the glory of private logging

[slim hamlet]

Yea I was looking at our 3:58 kill and thought 4:34 was dogshit but our were the same before this week

idk how we went down 40 seconds in 1 week

[grizzled storm]

Once you get kill timer to 4 mins you can't really parse

[earnest remnant]

u guys are slow

[thorn fjord]

if someone were to upload logs from your group is that an insta /gkick?

[grizzled storm]

You have to delay your second DM till execute

[slim hamlet]

Ofc

[earnest remnant]

dunno, never had that happen, we have specific people that logs the nights

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/kerchoo-kachow-gif-20586061

[slim hamlet]

I dont understand private logging, is it just so people dont greed or something?

[earnest remnant]

there are multiple reasons for it

[slim hamlet]

I genuinely would like to know why

[keen spruce]

you guys public log later in the tier though right?

[earnest remnant]

yes we do

[slim hamlet]

I see for top, top tier guilds

[thorn fjord]

Some people play worse when they have parsing on the mind

[keen spruce]

cuz you had logs from aberrus

ye

[slim hamlet]

and for the "oh so people dont greed" but can't think of others myself

[forest notch]

Its crazy that this neck still beats all my 483 necks

For Sub and Sin

[earnest remnant]

reason why we do it has nothing to do with parsing culture

or it partly does but not for the reasons you would think

[slim hamlet]

Imagine not farming it every day for the entire time and still not getting it

[keen spruce]

is it poaching prevention?

[slim hamlet]

oh yea

that exists too

[keen spruce]

but if you public log later then

[forest notch]

why is it so strongggg

[keen spruce]

idk

[thorn fjord]

Oh right this is a thing too

[slim hamlet]

Idk I am suprised it is better than your multiple choices

[earnest remnant]

we set up fights id say pretty optimally so, some people are actually getting hard forced into greys, cuz they just arent doing anything but lets says boss dmg on something like Tindral

and you dont wanna make them feel shit for having to do so

same with Council

[thorn fjord]

That makes sense too

[earnest remnant]

we have 2 people perm frogged

[forest notch]

Ive like tried multiple regem/chant examples too. Im like trying to get the sim to pick another neck lol and it wont

[slim hamlet]

But u can see your own parse still no?

[thorn fjord]

Thats actually pretty cool

[forest notch]

cause I want the ilvl

[earnest remnant]

yes i can see me own

[forest notch]

but nothing will beat it

[keen spruce]

*ducked

[earnest remnant]

you dont get asp

[slim hamlet]

I guess that makes sense

[earnest remnant]

you still get precentiles

[slim hamlet]

I personally would not give a flying fuck but I see why people might

[earnest remnant]

i dont care either

but i think its fine

[grizzled storm]

Bro the rank 1 Assa log literally had 3 boss stack RNG on one of his later CD windows

[forest notch]

lol I didnt know it existed and my friend told me about it. Went down killed him once and it dropped lol

[slim hamlet]

[earnest remnant]

i could not care less about my parse on a prog kill, im here to kill bosses as fast as i can