#assassination

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blazing jewel
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I blame fimbly soup

balmy condor
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Same

blazing jewel
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hes talking in here too much and infecting people with outlaw brain

cunning needle
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??????

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what did i do

storm monolith
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nega jack. he's an avid classical enthusiast and hates movies

balmy condor
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Idk for what but it’s for sure his fault

cunning needle
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!?!?!?!?!

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this is gaslamping

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help

storm monolith
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it's gas lighting

blazing jewel
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gas lamp

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l m f a o

cunning needle
slim hamlet
storm monolith
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i promise you it's gas lighting

slim hamlet
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Has always been

storm monolith
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help i'm being gas lamped

cunning needle
blazing jewel
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fimbly soup the type of guy to check for gas leaks by using a lighter

slim hamlet
balmy condor
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It’s like speaking an ancient curse

cunning needle
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wait shit youre right

storm monolith
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

tepid charm
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justice for assassination verysadge

storm monolith
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25 minutes in queue

cunning needle
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am I the baddie?

storm monolith
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COMPLAIN AND YOU SHALL BE REWARDED

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I'LL BE BACK

blazing jewel
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fimbly just has a voodoo doll he is sticking pins in to get sin nerfed

cunning needle
slim hamlet
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Will the log nerf from aug be enough for the community perception of us to go in the dumpster again

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Or will we always be known as op from now on

storm monolith
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iirc wasn't sub rogue the worst dps in the game during sl at one point?

cunning needle
storm monolith
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and we weren't far behind?

blazing jewel
cunning needle
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rogue was pretty bad at the start of s1 SL

junior yoke
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When they added this, it went brrr

cunning needle
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MaKE SliCE aNd DiCE bAsELiNE

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baseline? i mean passive

balmy condor
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Cap caustic spatter to 5 targets

cunning needle
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UNCAP OUTLAW

balmy condor
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Like blade flurry

cunning needle
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wait wrong channel

balmy condor
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Spatter and blade flurry function the same

blazing jewel
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make kingsbane aoe

balmy condor
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Spatter should be capped the same

junior yoke
balmy condor
blazing jewel
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if realz took my shiv spreads bleeds idea I would have been perma bricked

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but new IC is real good too

junior yoke
balmy condor
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It’s like dragon tempered blades

gusty mirage
balmy condor
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Double it but -30%

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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cowards

junior yoke
blazing jewel
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we got to 6% during the 10 pulls after reclear

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so it dies tomorrow

balmy condor
blazing jewel
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no thats pleb

balmy condor
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Another guild in the dust

balmy condor
gusty mirage
blazing jewel
balmy condor
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I don’t know any pleb

gusty mirage
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hopefully

blazing jewel
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the nerfs were actually huge

balmy condor
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I heard he got thanos snapped

gusty mirage
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if you already knew the boss

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yeah

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the nerfs were big

blazing jewel
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the treant damage nerf was pretty big

gusty mirage
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but people who are on smolderon now

blazing jewel
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the dispell timer

gusty mirage
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are gonna walk in thinking it's gonna be easy

blazing jewel
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idk its just a lot of nice small nerfs added up

gusty mirage
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and are going to be in for a wild ride

blazing jewel
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yea I see your point

idle totem
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Bro so glad to be free from dragon man fly jail

balmy condor
gusty mirage
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tindral will make you actually office space your PC

blazing jewel
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until you hear tindral voicelines 400 times

balmy condor
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Doubtful

blazing jewel
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ASTRAL SMOLDER

gusty mirage
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remind me in a week

balmy condor
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I think painsmith is one of the worst designed bosses in the game

blazing jewel
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THE HEAVENS FALL

balmy condor
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But I really enjoyed kelthuzad

gusty mirage
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then you'll absolutely adore tindral

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7.5 minutes of 1 shot mechanics every 15-20s

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will be great

lucid rain
blazing jewel
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people doing feathers

gusty mirage
gusty mirage
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I expected 20 feathers by christmas

blazing jewel
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lol

gusty mirage
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because somehow with 6

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we still have people complaining that someone took their feather

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???????????

blazing jewel
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they still spawn in fire so it didnt do anything

gusty mirage
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there's fucking SIX of them

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just fucking grab one

blazing jewel
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I found out if someone misses their feather

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you can fly into a second orb with cheat

gusty mirage
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yes

mystic osprey
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hello

blazing jewel
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📈

mystic osprey
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heroic fyrakk

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how get better?

gusty mirage
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I mean it's a screenshot

mystic osprey
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private logs

blazing jewel
mystic osprey
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CE guild :(

blazing jewel
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private logging heroic fyrakk

gusty mirage
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I mean damage breakdown doesn't really tell us anything

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unfortunately

mystic osprey
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and the mythic one logs are connected or something

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idk how it works

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but the logs are private

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its annoying

gusty mirage
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the true alpha showing you how its done

balmy condor
blazing jewel
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oh this will be good

gusty mirage
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prep for tomorrow bud

mystic osprey
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whispyr reply to my dm

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ty <3

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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lmfao

lucid rain
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is that his first time dragonriding or what

blazing jewel
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dude needs to be hired by delta

drifting cloud
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oh thats tmsean

blazing jewel
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we need grom on sin rogue

gusty mirage
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I've seen it

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it's not great

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he played it in sanctum

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and was awful at it

lucid rain
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posting it because why not

gusty mirage
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le classico

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soulrender gave us so many grom classics

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"HE'S A GOBLIN?"

blazing jewel
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when he was in my guilds alt raid

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and our evoker forgot to rescue him on mag knockback

gusty mirage
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Scana are you watching blas0n

blazing jewel
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no

gusty mirage
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this man is about to have a heart attack on smolderon

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he might actually die during tindral prog

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like unironically

blazing jewel
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his raid prep for tindral is a pacemaker

drifting cloud
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ghost gaming hasnt killed smoldero nyet?

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smh

gusty mirage
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repeatedly

balmy condor
drifting cloud
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man my gm makes a weakaura so you dont have to click a macro

slate crown
drifting cloud
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and thats not good enough

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or what

cunning needle
gusty mirage
cunning needle
gusty mirage
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not looking great for the ANVIL

magic summit
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I've never played rouge before In my life mythic raider decent at my spec I play 90% ish but was in asking is what would the best Starter Roige spec all round be best for someone to pick up and play at a 20+ level and maybe take in to mythic raid if I can gear enough

cunning needle
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outlaw if you zoomer

storm monolith
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alright, it's a night for me. thank all of you for shitting on my playstyle and helping me set up a more efficient plate and weakaura system, as well as pointing out some misconceptions i had

junior yoke
cunning needle
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assi if you want to be comfy and also do BIG DICK BURST

junior yoke
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U guys should be happy to not be a warrior

storm monolith
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is that english

gusty mirage
drifting cloud
cunning needle
magic summit
gusty mirage
drifting cloud
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???

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aint no way

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thats gotta be some triple uploaded logs

cunning needle
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outlaw is deceptively hard

cunning needle
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they were on the way for new world record for longest larry pull

gusty mirage
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private logging

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those are from the r.io client

drifting cloud
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yes but pull counts on rio arent always accurate

magic summit
gusty mirage
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so 66 is believable

drifting cloud
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but yeah looking at the rest

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it tracks

cunning needle
gusty mirage
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I watched the nymue prog for them

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it was painful

drifting cloud
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27 igira

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lmao

cunning needle
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likewise if you BTE after your subterfuge/dance window runs out it also punishes you

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basically outlaw is simple until you make a fuck up

gusty mirage
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dw they're gonna compete with liquid and echo next tier

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they got this

cunning needle
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then you sit there for 10 seconds reflecting on your life choices

cunning needle
magic summit
drifting cloud
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I think they have more wipes on larry than we had on first 6 combined

cunning needle
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we are #1 pi and aug target

magic summit
cunning needle
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good fuck aug

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stop stealing our damage

magic summit
drifting cloud
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its not even close actually I checked

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who won last tier, was it them or kirby

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I forgor

gusty mirage
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they did

cunning needle
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they did really well last tier somehow

gusty mirage
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we threw on council

cunning needle
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like really really well considering it's them

gusty mirage
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and still have their larry pulls cleared by 8

cunning needle
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somehow went WR 1k to 3 or 400

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then their guild imploded for UnKNoWN rEasOns

drifting cloud
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big reason is

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tier was easy so raiding extra helped

gusty mirage
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despair

drifting cloud
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wont help as much now

cunning needle
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pretty sure they were almost able to get HoF

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or they were 1 week short

gusty mirage
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ghost?

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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ghost wasn't even close

cunning needle
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when is ay almost hof i mean overtiming 7/7 days on the last week

blazing jewel
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I thought they were a week off

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because I remember he was super sad that they missed sark on hof closing night

gusty mirage
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yeah I mean they raided 9 days in a row

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and still missed it

drifting cloud
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is a week off close when you raided 3 weeks worth in a week tho

cunning needle
gusty mirage
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lil elusive over here

static glacier
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Wait a sec

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They’re on smold

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Now

cunning needle
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yes

static glacier
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While playing more than 2-3 days

gusty mirage
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yes

static glacier
hard gazelle
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Anyone have the ambush macro to fix it inside Shadowdance handy?

drifting cloud
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smold is the gatekeeper of mediocrity

grim tangle
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all their decent players left for non trash guilds

gusty mirage
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smold is actually so free

cunning needle
static glacier
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Homie my guild and I are trolls and we’ve had like 60 smold pulls or so on 3 days, 2 days from this week onwards

drifting cloud
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you overgear him by quite a bit yeah

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its just a live boss

gusty mirage
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it's legit a brain check

cunning needle
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which people just don't seem to get

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no means no

static glacier
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Boss feels like a geyser bait + don’t be on portals check

cunning needle
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honestly geyser bait isn't even an issue until you make it to enrage

static glacier
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We keep getting people standing on portal “my ball blew up instantly”

cunning needle
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like it's an issue sure

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but 80% of wipes are orbs

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20% is getting by tornado into geyser

static glacier
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I feel like shit baits can contribute to griefed balls

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If any of the early soaks are late you have overlapping ball sets and it’s gg

cunning needle
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theres 0 reason to be hit by a ball, even if you are soaking

steel saddle
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Rogue
Damage dealt from Shadow Blades, Blade Flurry, and Sanguine Blades will now be logged correctly when buffed by an Augmentation Evoker.

cunning needle
static glacier
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On st anyway

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SB does like 4-6% max

icy acorn
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unplayable now

static glacier
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And if your raid would bench you for “lower damage” on logs bc of this they’re clueless

icy acorn
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lets reroll

static glacier
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There’s no net loss to raid dps monkaS

grave phoenix
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!wa

steel saddle
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gg rerolling to fire mage

dusk palm
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crab or pips for keys? both 483. second trink branch

turbid canopy
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
turbid canopy
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Damn outlaw truly sims more even in bis setup
I was wondering why i sim ~20k more as outlaw

balmy condor
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Yes

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Outlaw is crazy good in sims, especially dslice

worn fossil
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Did you guys stick to assa on smolderon or played SUB?

grim tangle
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I played assassination rogue :)

worldly tusk
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

tranquil dust
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quick question y'all... During my rotation when i envenom during kingsbane i keep getting max combo points after using envenom... How does this work and am i just supposed to spam envenom?

worn fossil
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I feel like sub is too good to not play it there :/

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But sub feels kinda weird to me

balmy condor
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There’s no mechanism on assassination that refunds combo points after a finisher

tranquil dust
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oh weird lol

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it happens everytime though hrm

balmy condor
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It shouldn’t

wind dune
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since my vers is a lil low

odd sierra
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Anybody know how to make a wa that show up when I need to hit Ashes trinket?

leaden cipher
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any gamers know why i have two of the daggie debuffs?

drifting cloud
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because its bugged and procs multiple times

celest helm
tranquil dust
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yea every time during my kingsbane deathmark setup , it lets me like envenom 3 times

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im confused lol

proven carbon
tranquil dust
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OOO

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i found the fix god damn it

proven carbon
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on the topic of fixes, does anyone know how to fix the ambush/mutilate swap delay? i miss gcd by about .5 seconds everytime bc it says i must be in stealth when trying to mutilate right after subterfuge is gone

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wait i think its somewhere in the outlaw channel

balmy condor
silk bane
balmy condor
silk bane
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alrrriiight lets get it! after this key yepyep

blazing jewel
balmy condor
rotund oak
balmy condor
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Oh wow never thought of that

rotund oak
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didnt say u didnt

balmy condor
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“Go outside”

rotund oak
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u just too lazy

balmy condor
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Yeah thanks

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Very helpful

rotund oak
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😄

balmy condor
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Fucking prick

rotund oak
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ild slap u but the atlantic too big ❤️

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u know i luv u

static glacier
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Realest of talk: depression is a spectrum and there’s no real escape

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Maybe you suffer less but I swear that shits always there, waiting

turbid sandal
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I'm sure this is a dumb question, but is Arterial no CT for lower keys while Hybrid no CT is for higher keys?

rotund oak
static glacier
proven carbon
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is there a softcap to mastery?

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with branch im at 100% mastery

slate crown
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Gaining more of any stat diminishes its value inherently but it's not something you should try to game out, let the sims tell you if any of that matters. In our (assassination) case, it probably does not matter

proven carbon
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ye i was just wondering

vale stag
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!dagger

subtle tundra
balmy condor
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Amen

subtle tundra
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Relatable I guess

slate crown
storm forum
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Does that work? Can I just get dicked until I'm not sad no more?

south wing
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ayo?

storm forum
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Asking for a friend

subtle tundra
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I was definetly happier

pearl osprey
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i wish blizzard add personal loot again , people roll to send you a message to sell the item 🤣

rotund oak
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exercise ranks higher than anything iirc but its couple of years and i gave the book back to my cousin

noble umbra
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Hey guys we can evenom on 4 combo points?

rotund oak
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they will help alot

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its the ''pooling'' one iirc

lime crypt
long thistle
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or is it just a stats thing

normal mist
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As was explained to me recently, even if outlaw sims higher, most fights have assassination on an advantage (due to fight timings), and vuln phases just make it shine better.
Afaik you can play any of the 3 specs at mythic level. Surely some fights will prefer some determined spec if you want to min max.

slim hedge
normal mist
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Im pretty sure they do

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If they didn't we would have a pin on the channel about that

strange bronze
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Are there any fights/times or some tips on when to hold or use CDs other than on CD aside from smolderon?

normal mist
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checks pins really quick

strange bronze
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Ok ty

normal mist
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I actually need to check that site aswell

runic hinge
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It’s really good. I kept it open for most of my raid just for reference

static glacier
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For larodar use accelerated opener + hold KB / DM until after he charges / if an add spawn is coming soon / if your guild is waiting for p3 to lust

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Fyrakk depends on a bunch of factors

normal mist
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On fyrakk, P2 I was dming him when possible and SD+kb on big adds, I'm not sure if that's optimal but my CDs yesterday were all over the place

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(my CDs didn't line because I held SD for 1st shield)

fading patrol
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do you guys funnel on gnarloot when ads are there?

limber lion
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!aug

prisma monolithBOT
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Rogue abilities not being reattributed to Augs in logs:

Blade flurry Shadow Blades Sanguine Blades

Poisoned Edges Sudden Demise Shadow Eviscerate

More information

mystic osprey
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@balmy condor bruh why your beard so clean damn

flat kindle
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
proud salmon
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for cd timings

balmy condor
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was considering trimming it before recording earlier this week

mystic osprey
balmy condor
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I like it a bit shorter but thank you

mystic osprey
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yo Whispyr whats the dps increase with PI

steel ridge
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depends how precise you receive it

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external_buffs.power_infusion=9/129/249 sim it yourself

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if your shadow is giving it to you, you are most likely fucked, if its a diszi that can toss it out on your desired timings, its favorable.

low quartz
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Weird - ran a droptimized on raidbots and it keeps recommending haste/versa gear - is that cause I havent got enough of it?

steel ridge
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assassination wants every stat at some point

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theres nothing weird about it

low quartz
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so what, u figure Im just too stat loaded?

steel ridge
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now thats alot of mastery

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mother of christ

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how did you get to 3% versa

rotund oak
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what flying f

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so much mastery

balmy condor
steel ridge
balmy condor
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external_buffs.pool=power_infusion:120

steel ridge
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do i look like a sim goon, i have no idea what that does

low quartz
balmy condor
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It adds a power infusion to the pool of external buffs with a cooldown of 120 seconds

steel ridge
balmy condor
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And the APL handles when you get it

low quartz
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We dont use tier legs, right?

steel ridge
rotund oak
balmy condor
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Yes

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That’s how bloodmallet does it too

steel ridge
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so i just used that with the specific seconds 😄

balmy condor
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Bloodmallet goated

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Bloodmallet good

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Use bloodmallet

rotund oak
steel ridge
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bloodmallet says BM hunter gooder

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mission abort

steel ridge
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either way, you just use whatever your friendly neighbourhood raidbot tells you to use out of all the pieces you personally have available.

royal lantern
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aka good

rotund oak
royal lantern
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hugs

rotund oak
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Double cheese peperoni pizza

royal lantern
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yeha, that aswell

mystic osprey
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women

steel ridge
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tryan, tell me, whats best in life?

mystic osprey
rotund oak
steel ridge
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cuddling aligators, well, thats something

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i´d say murdering gnarlroot is the best part of the patch for assassination rogues

rotund oak
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ild trade the tree for smolderon

steel ridge
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100%

mystic osprey
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wait ashes of embersoul with witherbarks branch?

mystic osprey
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what does this mean

slim hedge
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It means the trinket list on wowhead explains it tbh

steel ridge
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what do you think it means?! it doesnt state anywhere that it uses those 2 in combination.

slim hedge
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Double on use, ashes is not s tier because bark exists

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Ashes may be better in some situations

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But bark is better

steel ridge
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Ashes is bae, bark is for the weirdos

quiet oar
vagrant wagon
# balmy condor Bloodmallet good

is the PI based on normal damage or is for example the execute damage calculated? because BM is now second PI target, and i was thinking if Assa still gets PI in execute or not 😮

balmy condor
royal lantern
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look at him

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so polite

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and happy

steel ridge
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i might have completed the trifecta yesterday, after joking that i would play outlaw in the last hc reclear of the season... people said i wouldnt last more than 4 bosses until speccing assassination again...

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literally got gaslit into pulling it through 😄

mystic osprey
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outlaw in raid

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I hate it

steel ridge
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so now i have a full hc clear on all 3 specs

royal lantern
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remove the "in raid" part

steel ridge
balmy condor
slim hedge
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Now blade flurry reattributes to aug, outlaw might be seen a little differently in terms of m+ anyways

royal lantern
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?

balmy condor
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?

slim hedge
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Through put wise

balmy condor
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?

royal lantern
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outlaw is bonkers in m+, nobody cares about aug there lol

steel ridge
royal lantern
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legit 1 of the 4strongrest specs for m+

balmy condor
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The only way the reattribution would matter for community perception

fair quest
mystic osprey
balmy condor
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Is if people used the m+ statistics on Warcraftlogs

coral arrow
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hello guys, I just started to play assa, want to try how fun is it, is there any must or useful macro that I should know?

royal lantern
steel ridge
balmy condor
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Which people don’t

mystic osprey
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outlaw on tindral is throwing

steel ridge
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you only know what you miss when you lose it!

slim hedge
balmy condor
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Higher key runs don’t use m+ statistics to determine spec balance

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No one does that

steel ridge
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m+ statistics on wcl are basically worthless

balmy condor
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Most people don’t even realize you can pull up m+ statistics on Warcraftlogs

mystic osprey
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in these runs

balmy condor
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Fuck, most people don’t even log m+

steel ridge
mystic osprey
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i dont log m+

slim hedge
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That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the throughput, damage wise.

mystic osprey
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should I?

balmy condor
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You said the Aug hooks getting fixed

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The only place where Aug hooks getting fixed matters is on Warcraftlogs

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So what’s the angle

mystic osprey
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PI is 10k dps bonus for me

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apparently

balmy condor
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Reasonable

slim hedge
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I mean, if that's difficult to comprehend not sure what else to say. What does outlaw actually have that ass doesn't

steel ridge
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sounds about right

mystic osprey
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I sim 192k ST

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with pi 202k

balmy condor
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Because you’re just saying “the throughput”

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And that doesn’t actually mean anything

steel ridge
rotund oak
mystic osprey
rotund oak
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coz the aug dmg will show exactly how stornger outlaw is in cleave scenarios

balmy condor
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It would make outlaw lower on m+ statistics on Warcraftlogs having it be fixed, but as we determined, no one logs m+ runs, and no one uses Warcraftlogs statistics for m+

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So I’m struggling

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To understand where you think the impact is coming from

steel ridge
mystic osprey
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with caustic

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w/o having my runes on and shit to change up my stats a tad

slim hedge
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No-one cares about the statistics, I'm suggesting the genuine result of combining aug and ass/outlaw in damage. Right now in higher keys everyone tries to push you to outlaw already

steel ridge
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sounds fine, assassination tends to perform better than the sim might suggest depending on killtimers and amps

slim hedge
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That might mean it's pushed more or less. Likely more

mystic osprey
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sin is fine

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for high keys

slim hedge
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It is, but obviously it's far less played already

balmy condor
#

How is it possible that I ask a question about where the impact on the meta is coming from, and you managed to answer with multiple sentences that are even more confusing than it was before

steel ridge
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its about surviving stuff... outlaw has 30%+ versa and 5% more stamina on top of 5% perma dr on bosses

royal lantern
#

could be me

steel ridge
#

so you are the tank

balmy condor
#

This isn’t a difficult question

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Where is the impact

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Who or what

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Is affected

balmy condor
#

By the Aug hooks getting fixed

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You say no one cares about the statistics

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That’s what the change is aimed at

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So where is it

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Where is the impact

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One sentence is fine

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The more words you add the worse it gets

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So just like

balmy condor
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“High end players will play it more” or whatever

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Will suffice

wind estuary
#

Every time I look at this disc Whispyr is losing sanity

normal mist
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He can't lose what he does not have

blazing jewel
#

weebs_in aug hooks changed nothing weebs_in

balmy condor
steel ridge
balmy condor
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I just want to understand what he’s saying

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Depending on what he means I probably even can agree

wind estuary
#

I can’t help with that am as confused PepeLaugh

balmy condor
#

But I just

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Don’t get it

agile fossil
#

i just got the branch and my dmg went to the fcking moon wtf is this trinket

slim hedge
#

High keys use logs. The logs for people who need the damage and survivability will probably further confirm that outlaw is probably gaining more from aug

balmy condor
slim hedge
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Already scales badly so stacks vers

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Default for higher keys

agile fossil
slim hedge
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And that trickles down

balmy condor
#

Okay, so you’re saying that the Aug hooks getting fixed will hurt outlaws performance, since it’s properly attributed to the augvoker now

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So people will play it less

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Since they will realize that outlaw is a bad Aug target

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Instead of seeing outlaw just crank damage

slim hedge
#

I said outlaw probably gains more

balmy condor
#

More than what

spice spire
#

Bro what the fuck

#

Meow :3

cursive owl
#

Meow

bronze echo
#

Outlaw is worst aug target by far tho

balmy condor
#

More than assa?

bronze echo
#

Just no synergy

balmy condor
#

More than the hooks are showing?

slim hedge
#

Is it worst aug target because Augs don't want to lose out on logs in raid or because damage wasn't reattributing properly so people couldn't confirm that it was indeed gaining a fair amount more.

cursive owl
#

whats poppin, whispyr good to see u ArnoraBongo

balmy condor
bronze echo
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Its both, outlaw gains a lot less then other targets AND aug doesnt get damage

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Its just bad overall

balmy condor
#

Outlaw simply benefits less from Aug than other classes

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Because it has no burst

bronze echo
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^

balmy condor
#

Same reason it’s a bad pi target

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It has no window to benefit from it

bronze echo
#

Aug benefit from classes with burst cds like 30 secs, 1 mins and 2 mins, thats why enhance is pretty good, havov is pretty good, and assa now is insane

limber lion
#

Doremifasolatido

royal lantern
#

bless you

balmy condor
bronze echo
#

Queestionès, one of our rogues left the raid, thinking of maining rogue cus of it, isnt rogue like the most stable good dps in the game? Not always meta but always good?

balmy condor
#

“High keys log”

balmy condor
#

No the fuck they don’t

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Lmao

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Look how many leaderboard pulls there are in that list

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It’s like maybe 10%

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That are logs

balmy condor
#

Like sometimes they’re crazy like now

#

But most of the time it’s just okay

#

Assa always did good boss damage

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But never insane

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Sub had okay burst

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But it wasn’t must have

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Outlaw gets free cleave but it wasn’t something you always wanted

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They each historically have had downsides that didn’t ever make them required anywhere

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But a good rogue was always just good

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Like ele sham sucks, that’s not great. It’s feast or famine on that shit

fading patrol
#

I got a question with caustic spatter for example gnarloot should we not aoe at all and just focus the boss for maximum caustic spatter dmg or should we aoe ?

balmy condor
#

But Hunter, warlock, mage

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Those are true stable classes

steel ridge
balmy condor
agile fossil
#

just pick warlock you are probably fine

balmy condor
#

But caustic is your aoe

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So like, should be single targeting

royal lantern
#

we had litearlly 2expansions of "why bring rogue at all?"

steel ridge
bronze echo
#

Hm any suspicions assa might get nerfed again now tho? Seems okay in m+ but in raid they seem too good, from what ive seen on main prog with my assa raiders

bronze echo
balmy condor
#

Probably not

royal lantern
balmy condor
#

Assa has high burst, that got hit

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But it’s not overly op

bronze echo
#

Still not getting full use of kingsbane in my 20s Sadge

royal lantern
#

assa allready is overtaken by Hunter/dh/shaman

mystic osprey
#

boutta try ashes of embersoul in lfr rn

steel ridge
royal lantern
#

and you are not a priority pi target anymore

#

fuck pi

steel ridge
#

scaling

#

🦆

bronze echo
mystic osprey
#

witherbarks is better

steel ridge
#

bm is absolutely crazy

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they murder m+

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they murder raid

bronze echo
#

Ah right, our bms are braindead, maybe thats why

steel ridge
#

and that with one hand

fading patrol
steel ridge
#

you just blast boss as if nothing else even exists

#

your cleave just happens

mystic osprey
#

Branch is a lot better

steel ridge
#

i hope i never loot it

steel ridge
#

my fellow rogue has got it and already hates it 😄

royal lantern
#

you get somewhat used too it

#

still shit on some fight

#

larondar/smoldy

kindred flower
#

anyone knows why my char start randomly spamming mutilate/ambush by himself sometimes during my rotation?

blazing jewel
kindred flower
#

i just dont know if it queues my mutilate spam and starts doing it just cause

blazing jewel
#

Do you have a high spell queue window

fading patrol
mystic osprey
#

you play on high ping

kindred flower
#

around 36 ms

kindred flower
lilac shale
#

@ what haste we use sophic over wafting ? see so many using sophic

turbid harbor
#

They might multispec sub

steel ridge
lilac shale
#

oh yeah true for sub

mystic osprey
#

got helm enchant finally

blazing jewel
# kindred flower i dont know..?¿

I’m on mobile so im not going to find the command but look up spell queue window and there should be a script you can type in game to check yours

kindred flower
#

alright gonna try that

royal lantern
#

like always

loud gull
#

is blazefury medallion fine untill u get the larodar necklace ?

#

or is the neck from DHT better then blazefury ?

dark token
#

Pretty sure larodar doesn't have a neck

loud gull
#

tindral* ssorry

dark token
#

Neck is highly dependant on what stats ur char needs

balmy condor
dark token
#

For example for me haste necks sim much higher than tindral neck

#

Just sim ur char

loud gull
#

alright, back to sims it is 🙂

kindred flower
blazing jewel
#

If yours is really high on low ping it could feel weird

kindred flower
#

It was on 400

#

I set it to 200? im not sure what im doing

blazing jewel
#

That’s the lag tolerance essentially

#

It’s what allows you to preinput a command before your gcd is actually ready

#

The 400 and 200 is the ms window you have it set to

merry thunder
#

Followed the sim according to what I had and I’m getting around 135k dps average at 455, is that low or is that decent for full set?

merry thunder
#

Such as? I averaged around 135k dps over the course of 10 lvl 13 mythic+. In just not sure what’s considered good dps

#

14*

#

Can’t type for my life

merry thunder
#

Kinda just want to be sure I’m going in the right direction since I am fairly new to the class

kindred flower
#

It just did 4 mutiltates in a row without me doing anything

#

And I wasnt even spamming anything right now so, i dont know

blazing jewel
#

Is your keyboard breaking idk

kindred flower
#

Dont think so? Im getting a new one soon so if its that its getting solved hahaha

plucky canopy
#

Sheesh whispyr dropped 4 new videos PogO

blazing jewel
plucky canopy
#

Oh that kind of videos?

#

Like the restealth one?

cinder geode
#

how much vers do you use for higher keys?

#

like doing 23s/24s what do you need to not get tapped

plucky canopy
#

Need to watch them tonight, if it is close to those videos it's gotta be hella fun

neat plank
gaunt ocean
#

is FoK supposed to grant you 1 combo per mob hit? I find sometimes standing in a group of 4-5 mobs I only get 2 combo points.

balmy condor
#

No

#

It isn’t

kindred flower
royal lantern
#

crit issue

plush tusk
#

depends on crit

#

how nice would it be if it would work like sub does

royal lantern
#

idk

#

then it would be sub

rose valley
#

!wa

balmy condor
#

The old “what if assassination wasn’t assassination”

#

Either it’s energy or combo points

storm forum
#

what if every spec was homogenized so everyone got spec defining features in the shared class tree?

umbral summit
#

we might have an enhancement shaman (finally) joining our raid group so I've been looking at WF benefit - when did Assa become such a beneficiary? so much of our damage profile is unaffected, but it's so much greater a benefit to Assa than it is OL, which is 100% physical and used to be a top WF pick?

balmy condor
#

Since always

#

Autos apply poisons

storm forum
#

we dont get resources from autos, but boy do we get damage from autos

balmy condor
#

I mean we technically do from dashing

#

But yeh

#

Very minor

storm forum
#

im not even taking dashing sometimes so i can play bonespike

balmy condor
#

Cursed

steel ridge
#

weird flex

storm forum
#

im depressed and need to feel something sometimes

balmy condor
#

So you feel more depressed

storm forum
#

sometimes that something is pressing the talent change button

balmy condor
#

Not my preferred way to solve it

storm forum
#

and seeing a funny little spike thing shoot across the screen

#

and watching fyrakk murder whoever i put my tricks on

placid rock
#

so spiked counterweight is definitely still 100% trash, right? got a myth tracked one in my vault which i haven't opened yet

royal lantern
#

best way too feel something

hard plaza
#

best way to farm flightstones?

storm forum
#

play the game

#

enjoy yourself

hard plaza
#

been pretty lucky gear wise recently so just tanking flightstones 😂

royal lantern
storm forum
#

Tryan i think you need a detox

arctic socket
#

Raid bosses drop a good bit of flight stones

#

Then you can farm our keys

quartz prawn
#

/addon

#

!addon

arctic socket
#

The quest Line in new zone give quite a bit as well

quartz prawn
#

could u tell me how i can see the addons for assa? xD

storm forum
#

!was

#

!wa

quartz prawn
#

ah ty

arctic socket
#

Are you meaning the weakaura?

quartz prawn
#

ye weakaura sry

storm forum
#

assuming they meant WAs

#

I woke up 6.5 hours ago and i want to go back to sleep but its 7AM and I think I might stay up all night for a second try at fixing my sleep schedule.

feral mason
storm forum
steel ridge
#

how about just not having a fucked up sleep cycle?

storm forum
#

I used to not

#

then I started watching West Coast streamers again

steel ridge
#

so stop?

storm forum
#

I fell asleep at 10 PM last night

#

I thought I unfucked it up

undone karma
#

What is the recommended build for m+ atm? I tried Arterial Precision, dropping the middle of the tree and i do a lot less dmg than DTB, might be skill issue?

#

Or is it just a trap?

steel ridge
#

both are recommended, thats why both are in the guides^^

onyx crane
#

shock feels a lot better than hybrid imo

storm forum
#

Arterial Shock is nice for lower keys cause you get to see packs go pop when they hit 35% and have shiv and all DoTs running on them

undone karma
#

so you dont save shiv for kingsbane with shock build?

storm forum
#

they overlap in my experience

#

although if its low enough, I just dont press CDs besides shiv on packs cause things die too fast

lyric grail
#

Guys how do I get on Gnarl my dm in intermission ? It’s always 10 sec after intermission starts

storm forum
#

if im doing 20s or higher im definitely playing a DTB build though

undone karma
#

But its more consitant damage i guess? No highs and no lows

lyric grail
#

My guild also insta breaks roots maybe that’s why ?

storm forum
feral mason
#

throw on purpose

#

so it takes longer

storm forum
#

my guild is inconsistent with the intermission speed

steel ridge
#

tell your raidlead to not trigger the amp phase to soon cause you will carry the damage on your own

#

xD

storm forum
#

sometimes were giga fast, sometimes we gotta wait 10 years

#

so i just do a normal opener

#

and if my guild griefs me, they grief me and i dont look at my parse

lyric grail
#

Still log 90s

#

They pi our lock and dk

steel ridge
#

then it doesnt matter

storm forum
#

if my guild PI'd a lock over me I'd riot

steel ridge
#

doesnt strike me as an ambitious guild then

storm forum
#

if they PI'd our DK over me, thats alright

lyric grail
#

U can’t change guild behaviors

#

I tried to explain

steel ridge
#

no you can just leave it

storm forum
#

I'm actually surprised they don't PI the UDK over me

lyric grail
#

Yes leave to what u know how hard it is to find a guild anyway ?

steel ridge
#

our UDK rerolled hunter xDDDDDDDDDDDD

storm forum
#

our priest hates me

#

and still presses PI on me for some reason

steel ridge
#

then consider realm transfer

feral mason
#

Easy as hell to find a guild rn as a rogue

static glacier
#

It’s deffo doable

lyric grail
#

Im Talking not about Igira that’s completely different bosses

steel ridge
#

you wont parse on gnarlroot if you dont have dm ready for the the damage amp, thats for sure 😄

arctic socket
#

Idk how to parse with my raid group comp

#

I have zero externals

lyric grail
#

Je he didn’t read my question properly

arctic socket
#

Any tips

#

Besides rolling sub

steel ridge
#

press buttons harder

feral mason
#

how u got 0 externals?

steel ridge
#

10 man raid 😄

arctic socket
#

Nah it’s a 20m

royal lantern
feral mason
#

no diaper baby aug rerollers? Totem bots? White angel buff dispensers?

arctic socket
#

We don’t have any priests, evoker or Enchance shamans in our raid

steel ridge
#

what kind of 20m is that

feral mason
#

so what like

#

5 rets?

arctic socket
#

A lot of bms

feral mason
#

oh brother

#

Boomer guild

#

Ggs

steel ridge
#

my old guild was like that aswell

#

7 bm hunters

#

run, run as fast as you can

arctic socket
#

Im tempted to find a different raid group for this character

feral mason
#

I have made it my personal mission to harass bm hunter players to keep the population down

#

ecology 101

arctic socket
#

You can’t mess up pressing those buttons right

feral mason
#

Only button they can mess up pressing is the hunter class select button

arctic socket
#

Hunters go hard

steel ridge
#

bm hunter should never be blasting that hard, while being that easy

arctic socket
#

Well on my realm t3 belt is up hopefully I don’t break the bank purchasing it

steel ridge
#

but well, blizz9rd

feral mason
#

lizzard

arctic socket
#

Dh is face roll class

#

And they do a lot

feral mason
#

Almost every class is easy as fuck

arctic socket
#

Name a difficult class

static glacier
#

Priest?

#

Probably least forgiving class

#

Trash mobility, middling defensives

feral mason
#

shadow priest is pretty difficult to not want to end your life after 10 minutes of trying to join a group

strange trail
feral mason
#

free as fuck tbf

arctic socket
#

Priest has a spec besides disc?

feral mason
#

like idk for every single class you just spend an hour or two reading prio and on dummies and you’ve already grasped over 50% of the spec

#

but theres people that don’t do that out there ofc

arctic socket
#

Brewmaster was pretty fun to learn

feral mason
#

brew isnt crazy hard either

#

Just has way too much button bloat

#

for no reason

arctic socket
#

It does have a good bit of buttons

feral mason
#

Monk getting a rework in a good year or so anyway

#

11.0.5

#

if any other class gets prio over them blizz is dumb

arctic socket
#

Mark your calendars

#

Bm rework soon

#

Paladin might get their third rework

#

Or is it fourth

feral mason
#

Current rework order in my opinion should probably be monk > sp > affli

#

But with them saying they wont do reworks until after hero talents

steel ridge
#

shadow needs another stack on their shadow crash, fast.

feral mason
#

itll be a while

arctic socket
#

What are hero talents

feral mason
#

shadow needs to go into the bin entirely again

arctic socket
#

New epac?

feral mason
#

Imagine basing spec on shadow word death

steel ridge
#

wdym

#

swd is amazing

#

the tierset is pretty cool and all those swd soundeffects are pleasant

feral mason
#

their new tierset would be the equivalent of assa having a tier based around poisoned knife or some shit

#

like idk

steel ridge
#

thats bullshit

steel ridge
#

swd is pretty much warriors execute ability but ranged with backlash.

#

comparing it to poisoned knife is ridiculous

arctic socket
#

Poisonous knife goes hard

#

Damage based off how hard you throw

steel ridge
#

havent used poisoned knife since i needed it to pull random flying mobs in korthia

#

so theres that

arctic socket
#

Always press it kekdog

steel ridge
#

maybe thats the reason you dont parse 😄

arctic socket
#

Nah

#

Imma blame not having externals

royal lantern
#

or my racial

arctic socket
#

What racial

#

Torrent?

lyric grail
#

If u press hard enough poison knife 🔪 it loads a ultra knife which does x amount of poison stack dmg

arctic socket
storm forum
#

Is that why poison knife sometimes gives me like 4 cp?

arctic socket
#

Yeah

steel ridge
#

everytime you use poisoned knife, whispyr loses 1 hair

arctic socket
#

Is that the reasons behind his balding

royal lantern
wraith cosmos
#

we need a capstone for poison knife

royal lantern
#

🦊

arctic socket
#

You’re a vulpera?

storm forum
#

Please tell me whispyr is balding because we're trolling him too much

arctic socket
#

My respect for you just left

royal lantern
#

i had respect????

#

what the fuck

arctic socket
#

Not really but just felt like it needed to be said

storm forum
#

Taking "honor among theives" too seriously

#

We have 0 respect

#

Or at least deserve 0

wraith cosmos
#

isnt it called honor among thieves because there is none

arctic socket
storm forum
#

I assumed it referred to the like, unwritten rules of the underworld that never make any sense

arctic socket
#

What

spice spire
#

You know what else doesn’t make sense

wraith cosmos
#

i always thought it was a joke because there was no honor and rules are whatever in the circumstances

storm forum
royal lantern
spice spire
#

The triple

#

Nice

#

Anyway.
You can drink a drink, but you don’t food a food. What the fuck

surreal raven
#

guys any1 able to answer me a rotation question?

arctic socket
#

Wowhead guide could

storm forum
#

I'm too sleep deprived to help

blazing jewel
storm forum
#

But shoot anyways, I might say something funny

#

Or something ban worthy

surreal raven
#

is it worth staying with more than 150 energy for sanguine blades on st for uptime or is it irrelevant?

spice spire
wraith cosmos
#

if its a question about using mutilate instead of ambush i swear

blazing jewel
royal lantern
blazing jewel
#

Only play around envenom

spice spire
#

It’s too early for Yermany

royal lantern
blazing jewel
#

Quake it’s time for George’s walk Susge

arctic socket
storm forum
spice spire
#

That’s already happened

gusty mirage
storm forum
#

!pooling

prisma monolithBOT
#

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

  • If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
  • Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
  • Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
  • With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
surreal raven
#

thank you sir

arctic socket
#

That bots name is based

storm forum
#

The basediest