assassination

[fallow glacier]

Just post the log or?

[keen spruce]

that u didn't read the guides

we'll throw you in the ocean

[half dawn]

shmeeps did u play assa last season in m+

[keen spruce]

no i played sub last season

[half dawn]

CLASIC

[fallow glacier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jfPZ8LhNFc73dtrK#fight=21&type=damage-done

[keen spruce]

in keys

[half dawn]

classic

[keen spruce]

and pirate in s1

i like assas, but i'm not a masochist

[half dawn]

I played assa last season it was fun 🙂

[fallow glacier]

Mythic larodar, throughout pretty much every pull on the boss I underperformed, not sure where I went wrong

[keen spruce]

I really didn't like active IC

[half dawn]

ngl, i haven't gotten used to the new IC

not a huge fan

although going into pulls with no IC was also dog

[royal lantern]

.....of knives?

[half dawn]

FoK me you right

[grim jay]

Kinda getting deadened nerves reading that

[spice spire]

False bestie

[keen spruce]

you goofed up your trinket orbs on your 3rd deathmark during lust

[keen spruce]

[fallow glacier]

Yeah the pull is kinda scuffing me a lil there and I think I popped them directly underneath the boss when he transitioned

So couldn’t run under him to pick them up

[keen spruce]

and this first envenom should be 5pt+

otherwise it drops

and specifically for parsing on larodar

you can speed up your opener to make sure you KB is cranking during adds

with the default opener only the first few ticks hit them

and you lose a lot of pad

[fallow glacier]

Yeah, our DH just fucking murders them instantly

[keen spruce]

we have 3 havocs and an MM hunter

[half dawn]

my assa gear is so trash idk what i should farm next...

[royal lantern]

love

[keen spruce]

first add set

[fallow glacier]

[slate crown]

Nicholas?

[keen spruce]

[slate crown]

What’s that next to it

[serene fossil]

If you add

,ilevel=x

And then put the max number of the upgrade path the item is on behind the item, then do that to all items in your simc string& hit a droptimizer you will know whats the next best thing at the chosen ilvl on the droptimizer

[slate crown]

I only see 1

[serene fossil]

Dreamcarver next to it

[keen spruce]

yeah but it's myth track

[half dawn]

i didnt even upgrade all the items in this but yeah

i got lucky in my 1st vault

that thing is NOT doing any work as my offhand in outlaw but w/e

[keen spruce]

@fallow glacier but yeah overall looked fine

just try to clean up orbs and watch Whispyr's videos about CDs

he covers larodar specifically

and the accelerated opener

hard parse fight

[serene fossil]

If u put the ,ilevel= thing behind the items in ur simc string it will pretend to be that ilvl in sims so u know if you should upgrade that or get another item on that slot

[keen spruce]

I feel your pain

[earnest remnant]

why is my guy sending shit into a set that gets blown up by dragon riders?

[dark token]

mm hunter

[keen spruce]

dragon riders?

[dark token]

I SEE AOE I DO AOE

[keen spruce]

u think we're on tindral?

[earnest remnant]

ah

[keen spruce]

i'm flattered

[arctic socket]

You’re missing chest death dagger

[earnest remnant]

mb i still see flaming tree's when i close my eyes

[keen spruce]

stealthi u watched enough of our prog last tier

[fallow glacier]

Thanks for looking, did actually start watching the video just got distracted half way through

[arctic socket]

Is it rly that bad

[keen spruce]

to know that we're not gonna be on tindral for a hot minute

[dark token]

wait it even says fiery treant

it must be larodar

[earnest remnant]

scorched treant

fiery treant

wtf is the difference man

[keen spruce]

i mean also

[earnest remnant]

both are burnin trees

[keen spruce]

the fact that it was a larodar log review

could have been a tip off

[earnest remnant]

did not see

[keen spruce]

[earnest remnant]

hitting dummy atm

[keen spruce]

why are you hitting soviet

[dark token]

ive been forced sub on tindral by my inability to hit boss without acro

sad days

[keen spruce]

[dark token]

and i refuse to take it on sin for 3% dps loss

[royal lantern]

a fate worse then death

playing df sub

https://tenor.com/view/crying-shower-gif-16008859

[dark token]

df sub was good first 2 seasons

now its ok but annoying

[earnest remnant]

you can do this on sub tho

look at all of that mastery

[peak lake]

stealthi flexing

[dark token]

thats gottab e with flag

[earnest remnant]

flag+branch lmfao

[peak lake]

flag + branch

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5rV65FU9JJb5vjBNR1hoHe

this my sub gear

sad part is it ties my sin sim with PI

[earnest remnant]

i have 116% mastery

without anything

[dark token]

only problem is i have a normal ashes

so tindral is PAIN

[earnest remnant]

my sub sim is 232.4k with branch

[peak lake]

lot of haste for sub

[earnest remnant]

and 229.8 with ashes

[dark token]

thats cause i play sin

😉

oh i bet you sub like the 489 mh better than 483 nick of time

its kinda the same on my sin

[earnest remnant]

i have the 489 from 2nd boss

[dark token]

yeah i have that weap but never ugpraded it

because it was 0.1% dps for the crest spend

weak af

but that was for sin

do i catalyst this belt

[hollow dirge]

no reason not to, unless you need charges for something else

[pure comet]

What defensive can I use to bypass pursuit in ataldazar

Or there isn't such a thing

[sharp viper]

crit mastery doesn't sound much better

but the answer is sim yo self

[sharp viper]

bop, shadowmeld (by you or any party member), vanish

[spice spire]

You can vanish once he starts chasing you. But only once he starts moving iirc

[pure comet]

Okay thanks

[gusty mirage]

Correct, ask zac what happens if you vanish early

[raven ivy]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice spire]

@midnight mist what happens if you vanish early in AD

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-eat-spongebob-gif-11221971

that

with the healer inside

[wide ferry]

Anyone here do vod reviews? im ilevel 479 and my damage sucks.

[spice spire]

Good fuck them healers

[wide ferry]

like single target dummy i can barely maintain over 100k lol

[royal lantern]

...you wanna be my healer? 😳

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

No idea what you are talking about

[spice spire]

This means almost nothing.
What is your target dummy sim? How long are you hitting it? Are you logging it?

[spice spire]

[wide ferry]

@spice spire where can i find that sim numbers out for target dummy. Sorry if i sound ignanttt

and now reading up how to log

[spice spire]

Quick sim (on raidbots) > target dummy instead of patchwerk

[runic schooner]

yo yesterday someone ran a ! command and it showed some weakauras

[proven ivy]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[runic schooner]

thanks mr. doko

a true hero

[proven ivy]

🫡

[runic schooner]

of course the plater imports don't work

oh whale

[wide ferry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aXgSkvZFRmGu42JcdacHtx

shit thats patchwerk lol

Its wierd it has blue silken uptime but i dont have it lol guess thats just a general buff u can add in.

[errant hawk]

Ok thanks, you use it on CD or always try to use it with kingsbane everytime?

[wide ferry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hDF8T6geucBGMioi37im2Z

Thats for single target, no blue silken uptime and 10% corrupting rage (cuzzz i dont use it?) So essentially im leaving 40k dps on the table somewhere

[olive veldt]

In kingsbane, only envenom at 4 points up? Or is 3 OK to keep chain going?

[willow kite]

I believe 4 is the rule, with the exception of when you're going into kingsbane

Then you want 5+

[royal lantern]

4+

[olive veldt]

Gotcha, so mutilating at 4 for a 6 envenom is a dps loss and should only be done if at 3 during kingsbane

[royal lantern]

in general, but yeha

4+ is always

you only go for 5+ for the pre kingsbane envenom

[limber lion]

They definitely do work

[royal lantern]

all other finishers are 4+

[limber lion]

You realize that you need Plater, the addon, for them?

They are not weakauras

[runic schooner]

oooh that makes sense

lil defensive bud take it easy

[limber lion]

Huh?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-box-gif-7527884

Good luck on your boxes today boizzzz

[runic schooner]

^

is Nick of Time possible from vault or does it only drop from the end chest

[worldly plank]

its a possible dropt from vault

[runic schooner]

then may fate be with us

mostly me

[raw valley]

I feel like I'm missing something with the 4-piece rotation and that I'm never getting the proc to go off, never felt like i had a rotation issue until now

[earnest remnant]

the dmg from the 4set comes from envenoming with the envenom buff up

[raw valley]

I saw that, but is there a change to rotation that needs to be made to ensure you're landing envenoms in that window?

I didn't think so

[earnest remnant]

you just clip envenom buffs

that all there is to it really

!pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[earnest remnant]

which is jsut that

[halcyon hamlet]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[hard plaza]

sophic of wafting?

[lyric grail]

Sophic mh wafting off

[spice spire]

Whatever robot says

The heck

[hollow heron]

I sim better with wafting on both

[harsh anchor]

Wafting is better because you can smell the boss better

[grim jay]

If you wanna multispec you kinda want to go sophic anyways ig

[grim jay]

Wtf

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[lyric grail]

If u sim Sophic/wafting and add all haste/mastery/vers gems & enchants over double wafting with all gems&enchants the dps will be around the same either u go more stats and rely on proc or u go more proc and less stats

[royal lantern]

yes

[spice spire]

God ur so real for this

[gray crest]

its the best gif i have saved

[hollow stone]

but what if the sims are all a lie by big simc??

what if… stats dont matter

enchants are optional

breathing deeply into a bag

[twin bay]

wait so ypu are sayng big sophic payed big simc to make false sims for profit???

[hollow stone]

[wind jungle]

Big Graceful Avoidance interfered in the 2020 election

[arctic socket]

Can’t wait to crack open my vault this week just to see jack all

[spice spire]

This part is right at least

[arctic socket]

Stats don’t matter, what matters is what the robot says

[wind jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-jim-smiling-sneaky-peaking-gif-21893020

The 6 cloaks waiting for me in vault

[arctic socket]

Gratz on your cloaks and wrists and maybe those same pair of gloves from last week

[bronze echo]

anyone can explain which build is focused on what? which is pure m+ aoe, which is m+ cleave, which is ST and which is ST with cleave

[arctic socket]

Pretty sure the builds

Say what they are

By the name

Of the build

[slim pebble]

I hope everyone gets a myth track Nick in their vault, unless I don't and then I hope everyone has bad vaults

[hard plaza]

😂

debating just sparking my crafted dagger and suck itup

[slim pebble]

That means youll get a myth track nick next week

[hard plaza]

and then it can go to my offhand 😄

[slim pebble]

Crafted dagger only goes to 486

[cursive frost]

At least for me 483 nick > 486 crafted

[slim pebble]

Have you simmed 486 MH and 483 Nick OH

Why longer maintenance today

[sharp glen]

LFR Fyrakk and helm enchant? i dunno

[grim jay]

For the hidden buffs and nerfs

[wide ferry]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVFRRFURQmJBQCQQNVURUVUZUEEoVQBF Been watching this guy on yt hes nasty but whay is this talent build? Lol

what**

[normal mist]

Who have you been watching?

[wide ferry]

sybelysa is the name

[grim jay]

Its one that is in the guide aswell

[normal mist]

And that's in the guide

Yeah

It's called cleave build

Which focus on spatter dmg + 4set dmg + strong ST

[wide ferry]

i love itt it helps so much w the shit st damage of the art precision build

[normal mist]

It isn't shit (?)

[grim jay]

It didnt have shit single target with the VR and BS version

[verbal birch]

can anyone send me a caustic platter WA?

[real beacon]

what build i play on m+ in tyranicall week?

cuz my single target dmg sucks

in raid i have good

[grim jay]

The one you enjoy the most

[lime crypt]

play cleave if you want singletarget

[grim jay]

And then you get better at it

[grim jay]

Most people use plater for that

[normal mist]

Any "tell me when" chads around here?

[grim jay]

Oldschool

[normal mist]

I still use it

I have no w.a besides branch and raid/m+ ones

Everything I wanna track I just use tmw

[verbal birch]

fair

[fallow acorn]

GL on vaults today, team

[grim jay]

Wish it was today

[fallow acorn]

GL on vaults today, NA team

[wide ferry]

god blesss me w a 483 nickkkk 🥲😥😥😥😥 PLZZ

[fallow acorn]

483 Nick's falling from the heavens

[round wasp]

Yo, i'm very new to the spec, and read a few if not all the guides so far. Is it correctly understood you basically never Shiv outside of kingsbane windows? I don't see how you are going to get 2 charges up again if you do

[spice spire]

Yes

[indigo epoch]

Got muh 483 nick last week. Greedily hoping for an OH nick this week. 🙏

Or a wb trink

[wide ferry]

So basically my biggest issue is spazzing my abilities until im energy starved.

[indigo epoch]

Tough to learn that it's ok not to push buttons sometimes

[wide ferry]

I simmed and watched a dew yt'ers and noticed they pause a little and have a more rhythmic approach

[indigo epoch]

Lol

[fallow acorn]

you can't have a 2nd until the whole class gets one

[wide ferry]

and theyre always above 150 on energy and evenoms always up

[indigo epoch]

Watch whispyrs vid on youtube on pooling

[peak coyote]

is Augury of the Primal Flame good for assa?

[normal mist]

Sim, but afaik, not really

[wide ferry]

done

[normal mist]

You have better options

[lime crypt]

if you dont have cooldowns

you just afk

and keep envenom up

and garrote and rupture

[wide ferry]

lmao basically and it goes against everything in me

to not go apeshit

especially in +24, 25

[normal mist]

You played fury before?

[peak coyote]

Now i have Witherbark's Branch and Cataclysmic Signet Brand, the most op trinkets i guess

[normal mist]

XD

[wide ferry]

is that my calling?

[agile geode]

Yea Christmas daggers

[fallow acorn]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[agile geode]

Gonna change my mog

[normal mist]

If you wanna apeshit 24/7 yes

[round wasp]

I'm really struggling to keep envenom up 100% and also staying about 150 energy. I guess it's easily possible i just gotta learn

[normal mist]

You never keep it 100%, never

[round wasp]

Right, i don't have 4 set yet, so i dont think chaining is the way to go yet?

[wide ferry]

i practiced For about an hour this morning on the targ dummy and my dps id almosy exactly what im.simminh

[split cipher]

Sanguine shouldn't always be played around 4p more important

[wide ferry]

simming**

[fallow acorn]

yeah

this pooling vid really helped me a lot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnNSIr7TB7c

[wide ferry]

Sanguine is kindve just there thougg if you pool right while.keeping envenom up for the 4pc

[round wasp]

I'l lget there. Just startet yesterday 🙂

[wide ferry]

right after vanish and finish up ur cds just take a deep breath and light a jay

[round wasp]

Hahah i'll roll up a few before we start next key

[fallow acorn]

I basically just do keys, but the downtime on a boss during pooling is a good time to look at timers and whatnot to plan your next burst

[normal mist]

I play keys without watching the timer, I have it turned off

Less pressure, less mistakes

[fallow acorn]

I'm still learning, I need the assistance

[normal mist]

What assistance? You're not the one controlling the timer

[limber lion]

You're talking about different timers...

He's talking about cds/mechanics

[fallow acorn]

oh

[limber lion]

Not the dungeon timer

[fallow acorn]

boss timers etc

[normal mist]

[wide ferry]

i got an envenom timer, kingsbane meter, and caustic timer

[limber lion]

Yeh

[normal mist]

I'm an ass

Sorry

[normal mist]

Caustic only matters on trash, kingsbane meter o have no idea what it does

[fallow acorn]

I feel like every time I try and burst with the stupid tree boss in WM it's like.. .yeah it is your turn for roots you soab

[normal mist]

He decided I was the one on my +20 this week

[wide ferry]

it a little meter that has hashmarks when to hit tea and shiv/vanisj

[normal mist]

Love at first sight

[fallow acorn]

three in a row once

[wide ferry]

its sooo fucking helpful

[fallow acorn]

like bruh give it to the dumb wizard standing 500 yards away like an idiot

[normal mist]

I honestly just memorized the timers

[wide ferry]

Rainman ova here

[normal mist]

I'm also the guy who doesn't have DBM tho

[fallow acorn]

you get a feel of timings after a while - I'm starting to feel that for KB windows but I still have the WA

[limber lion]

No bigwigs/dbm is kinda inting

[surreal citrus]

can't even precloak or vanish bait thorns

[limber lion]

Unless you got all boss timers via weakauras

[surreal citrus]

coven and tree fuckin suck for ass

[normal mist]

Negative sir, I literally memorize the fights really quickly

[fallow acorn]

there should be a target warning for thorns, honestly

[normal mist]

I've never used dbm

[surreal citrus]

I hate the fat dude too because he keeps LoSing me somehow

[wide ferry]

anyone actually use corrupting vials??? im at 100 alch and wanna spec into it if its worth ir

[fallow acorn]

in WM?

[limber lion]

No wonder you're only now doing 20's then

[surreal citrus]

yes

[fallow acorn]

lol are you a gnome?

can't see over the boxes

[normal mist]

I mean, why do 21? I already have the portal at 20

[limber lion]

It's literally inting. Mechanics and timers are not always static

[surreal citrus]

some tiny pieces of garbage on his trash heap will LoS me

[limber lion]

But you do you

[surreal citrus]

close enough, vulpera

[fallow acorn]

ahaha

peaks over box

[normal mist]

Never have I ever been the problem in any raid I did, so I'm fine, I'm also an heroic raider, and 20s for portals and call it a day

[surreal citrus]

that and his geometry making my branch orbs spawn under me and ruining my kb ticks

[peak coyote]

When should i renew the poisons in st? (rupture and garrote)

[normal mist]

I'm not a pusher, I play for rewards

[fallow acorn]

yup, I do that for some stuff, too

[limber lion]

Again, you do you. Literally gimping your team and yourself without em, but you do you.

[normal mist]

How?

[limber lion]

There's a reason dbm/bigwigs are the #1 most downloaded addons

And have always been

[fallow acorn]

what do you think the top key levels will be this season - feels like they are already going pretty high

[normal mist]

Could you explain how am I gimping my team?

[woeful meteor]

without any nerfs not much higher since you just die 100 to 0

[limber lion]

Probs like 34's

Depending on keys of course

[fallow acorn]

yeah, i'm sure there will be further tuning on some of these

hopefully they delete Rise

that would be nice tuning

[normal mist]

Because it would be really helpful to know why me not using dbm is gimping my team @limber lion

[surreal citrus]

watching tyr stinging swarm in a 25 key like

[fallow acorn]

those initial shadow bolts, too

no target indiction, random - 700k+ on like 24+ keys?

yikes

[surreal citrus]

yeah those things are cringe

[fallow acorn]

healer issue

HEAL ME IDIOT

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-stare-blank-face-uh-okay-blink-gif-17510019

[slim pebble]

Wait is it officially Christmas transmog season

[normal mist]

Yes

[limber lion]

If you only REACT to mechanics or preemptively try to GUESS when they happen, it literally leads to worse results than perfectly knowing what happens when.

[fallow acorn]

well people have done 29 BRH so

druid and disc healers, hrmm

[limber lion]

Like trying to walk across a street with your eyes closed and hoping no cars drive over you because usually at 1:27pm there isn't cara driving on that lane

[slim pebble]

World first 28 rise happened but they had to cheese the first boss

[wide ferry]

I looovee brh lol

[limber lion]

Instead of opening your eyes and looking for the cars

Or the stoplight

[fallow acorn]

yeah saw that

[wide ferry]

i did get my shit rocked in a 25 tho that final boss

[fallow acorn]

only one team has done EB 28 on Tyr

[normal mist]

Could you provide an example from the raid? Where dbm would make my life easier p.e? (Up to heroic, I don't raid mythic)

[thorn fjord]

That a serious question?

[limber lion]

Assassination for one is a spec that requires preemptive planning for cooldown usage so you don't end up wasting cds before adds come up or before the boss goes immune or whatever.

[woeful meteor]

I highly doubt you know the specific timer on every heroic fight this tier when you pull them for the first time

[limber lion]

All of them. Every boss.

They literally make the encounters easier

Which is why it's been debated whether they should be allowed or not

And also why Blizzard designs bosses the way they do

[thorn fjord]

FF gamers would say we’re cheating

[glossy imp]

Encounters are balanced around them so rip

[thorn fjord]

[limber lion]

Because they assume that most serious players have those addons

[normal mist]

The only boss which I haven't yet really understood the timers was tswift on the leap off and fyrakk first leap off

[glossy imp]

Ff encounters aren’t designed for dbm

[thorn fjord]

Yeah it’s a different game entirely

[wide ferry]

bro just get it lmao it takes huge load off you as far as things to track

[glossy imp]

If you used dbm in ff it would trivialize it. And they actually do have something like it that a part of the community uses

[thorn fjord]

Servers are up apparently

[normal mist]

But I've never had problems before tho xD

[limber lion]

Because you don't know better

[glossy imp]

I mean that’s great my guy 👏

lol

[surreal citrus]

it's not that you can't do fights without dbm or bigwigs it's that using them does make it easier

that's not a question

[fallow acorn]

not just easier

you are more effective

[thorn fjord]

Wait till he finds out about weak auras lol

[fallow acorn]

who raids even, though cringe

[limber lion]

And all of them are not static. Some things happen because of what happens in the fight

[normal mist]

I said I have wa

For raid and m+

[surreal citrus]

not that you can't do these things without those mods but, the information they convey is super useful

[normal mist]

Just never used dbm

[wide ferry]

dbm dungeons is niceee "move your feet" gettin yellled at me.400 times a run

[thorn fjord]

If you've never used either id really recommend getting big wigs

[limber lion]

I used DBM for a long time, but use BigWigs now as well

[normal mist]

Imma try it out today then, we progging tswift HC today

[thorn fjord]

I so used to DBM so i stick to it

[limber lion]

Less interruptive and always up to date

[thorn fjord]

But the majority of my grp uses big wigs

[wide ferry]

what extra does wigs do?

[surreal citrus]

give one a try even if you are familiar with mechanics and avoiding damage you'll likely notice that your cooldown usage becomes more efficient

[limber lion]

The same shit, different flavor

[surreal citrus]

and you get more damage as a result

[fallow acorn]

it's good to configure these, too - you don't need alerts and timers for everything in the game

[thorn fjord]

Nothing extra really its just a tad bit more minimalistic

[normal mist]

But honestly, as parsing goes, I've managed to keep good parses overall (I'll not talk about normal parses even tho I enjoy doing it) in heroic since SL

So me happy

[limber lion]

Good for you

[normal mist]

If it means I'll do even better

[fallow acorn]

imagine what you could do with them, then

[normal mist]

Yeah I'll try it

[limber lion]

I know I couldn't reach my parsing goals in Sepulcher without timers

[wide ferry]

how do we check vault w/o being home lmao

[fallow acorn]

visualize the NoT

[limber lion]

But we aim for different things anyways

[normal mist]

Most likely not, and yeah we aiming differently xD

[rigid minnow]

Have your mom walk down in the basement and log on

[wide ferry]

if i get nick ima shit on these walls

[normal mist]

My goals are to beat my guild and be #1

[thorn fjord]

Trash

[wide ferry]

i can have my dog hold up lemme call her

[fallow acorn]

lol

[limber lion]

As in #1 in your guild?

[normal mist]

Which I've been doing since SL

[limber lion]

Why stop there

[normal mist]

I was several times top1 server too 😦

[slim pebble]

I despise this game

[limber lion]

Top 1 server? In where and what content?

Top1 server doesn't really say much

[wide ferry]

"Belle i need that nick of time u gotta log in to wow for me" "Yo that shit that keeps u from takin me outside 50x a day"? ...uh yeaa..

[limber lion]

I could kill Gnarlroot on HC on an RP server with 3 players and be r1

[oak tangle]

i don't think it's possible for me to get a good vault

[limber lion]

Or do a +4 falls

[spice spire]

Not all servers are equal true

[limber lion]

Love the pants

[wide ferry]

Im more excited for the catalyst charge ( which i think is this week)?

[fallow acorn]

k here we go

[normal mist]

My man you shooting at me, please calm down xD I can explain and give more context but I'm on the phone

[fallow acorn]

FUCK

[slim pebble]

OH WAIT WE WANT TIER PANTS

I AM AN IDIOT

[wide ferry]

do we?

[slim pebble]

wait no

[wide ferry]

i thought we dont. lol

[fallow acorn]

we don't, no

[slim pebble]

I was thinkign of sub

[wide ferry]

lmao

[limber lion]

Nono, I'm trying to motivate you to push further

[fallow acorn]

the royal we

[slim pebble]

I hate this game again

[limber lion]

Do not settle for "best in guild"

[wide ferry]

i got the galakrond ones w leech theyre dope

[oak tangle]

i took a myth helm last week to catalyse this week, and my vault this week is 2 helms

[limber lion]

F

[oak tangle]

and a cloka

fml

[thorn fjord]

my vault is traaaash

[wide ferry]

i aint checkin your vault bro

[limber lion]

I only did one m+ so we take whatever we can get

[fallow acorn]

you have to scroll WAY down on the whispyr trinket guide to find that counterweight

[oak tangle]

my choice is a myth track cloak vs saving a catalyst charge for next week

[fallow acorn]

waaaaaaaaaaay down

[thorn fjord]

Fucking socket angle

[fallow acorn]

lol like D class for every spec oh well neck upgrade time

[wind jungle]

Lmao counterweight is the biggest FU

[wide ferry]

cw is gaaahbage

[thorn fjord]

Last piece of tier we get is shoulders?

[wide ferry]

i have like 5

[thorn fjord]

I mean in the order that drops from raid

[magic sparrow]

❤️

[fallow acorn]

REEEEE

[wide ferry]

GG

[thorn fjord]

Congratulations you won the game

[fallow acorn]

grats

[wide ferry]

at 489?? DAAANG

[spice spire]

Big

[wide ferry]

big d energy

[fallow acorn]

LOL

Equipped: 1, Bags: 3

[magic sparrow]

im crying

[fallen forge]

I hate u but also congrats

[thorn fjord]

Me too but for different reasons

[magic sparrow]

lmao

[normal mist]

Let's put it this way: I usually play for 20s portals (if I feel like it), Aotc, and 1800pvp for the elite set and I call it a season. While doing it, I try my best to parse good in raid and be useful in m+.
There are seasons I enjoy parsing, other that I don't (sepulcher... Hated that raid). I'm a simple guy, you truly understand now we aiming for different stuff?
As for R1 server I meant being the top1 assa in hc parses for some raid tier in my servers (3 linked), until I eventually quit raiding and I lose it.
The most fun I have is parsing normal because there are pretty much no mechanics so I can just zugzug bosses

[spice spire]

RIP Bozo

[oak tangle]

i would love a mythic track dagger so i can parse

[fallen forge]

IS THAT A NEW COPYPASTA

[earnest remnant]

i hear someone needs to be banana'd for getting a nick of time from weekly

[oak tangle]

but that aint happening

[spice spire]

No

[spice spire]

Bro? Mad?

[earnest remnant]

very

[fallen forge]

Nah just some guy talking sadge

[spice spire]

Let people get nice things man

[earnest remnant]

no

if i have to suffer

so do you

EQUALITY

[spice spire]

I swear to god you sass me again I’ll kiss you on the lips

[dark token]

Me next

[eternal heath]

Glad I am not the only one at least

Also sad vault. Can take a myth chest to catalyse or a hero leech shoulder to catalyse

[earnest remnant]

you do realize i eat food from out of the trashcan right?

[spice spire]

Yeah and I eat ass

I see no difference

[fallen forge]

Match made in heaven

[wide ferry]

Depends...

[thorn fjord]

Based

[wide ferry]

depends on the ass

[cerulean nest]

would mythic pips over sandglass be better in any circumstance? (inb4 just sim)

[thorn fjord]

I gotta stop wishing everybody luck on Tuesdays

I keep getting garbage

[spice spire]

Good luck next Tuesday king

[slim pebble]

Cata this week?

[thorn fjord]

Yuh

[pseudo hamlet]

Chest is obvious. Rest can be replaced my doing just M+

[slim pebble]

So running 1 blue silken and toxic boots is only a 164 DPS Loss in ST and a very nice gain in AOE

[strange niche]

is the blazefury neck any good for us?

[slim pebble]

I think I should do that?

[oak tangle]

game should be banned from giving you more than 1 item of the same slot

3 of my 6 optiosn were helmets

that aint right

[eternal heath]

Yeah dedfinitely, still sad though lol

[forest notch]

woooooo trinkets

[thorn fjord]

Why did my sims drop by like 6k

-_-

[spice spire]

Let me see if there’s any changes

[runic schooner]

do yall use crimson temp with 4 set or is it better to just use env for explosions

in m+

[wide ferry]

do both

[normal mist]

Depends on the build and the goal but if it is talented, yes, use it in AoE

[runic schooner]

well thats why I was asking cause I have 2 builds for aoe, one with and one without tempest

so if env explosion is better dps anyway Id' rather play without for more St

[wide ferry]

Rip a ct off then pick one target and fok, envenom repeat

keeping bleeds up

[gusty mirage]

YOU TOO?

[runic schooner]

word thats kinda what i've been doin

[gusty mirage]

[runic schooner]

thanks yall

[thorn fjord]

damn bro chill out lmao

[near valley]

I kinda hate you fr fr

[thorn fjord]

Taking ash or brand?

[gusty mirage]

brand

I have heroic ashes

[forest notch]

thats a nice vault

[near valley]

Must be nice to have choices

[thorn fjord]

nice gratz

[gusty mirage]

I need a ring

of some sort

[forest notch]

I think pips is really good for us no?

[gusty mirage]

I've contemplated sockets every single week before this

[forest notch]

and signet for ST

[gusty mirage]

don't @ me kid

[spice spire]

There was implementation recently but I can’t see it on mobile

[thorn fjord]

Im desperate for one too.. Might just craft one this week

[near valley]

[near valley]

Understandable

[gusty mirage]

full myth track vaults

[thorn fjord]

Meh figured... Dropped from 218k down to 212

[gusty mirage]

contemplating socket vs saving 45 crests

[wind dune]

dont be like me and get crit mastery legs with avoidance and forget about the cata and give away the pants. My pain is unmeasurable today

[gusty mirage]

we down bad

[near valley]

Still waiting on Nickelodeon of Time

[thorn fjord]

talk about down bad

[gusty mirage]

that looks like my vault the last 2 weeks

[near valley]

U got the transmog set

[gusty mirage]

you take the 483 pieces to save crests

[cerulean nest]

big tier day

[near valley]

Literally all 3 pieces

[gusty mirage]

or cry

[thorn fjord]

I think i take Chest

[sick aspen]

oxi blessing vaults today? 😛

[near valley]

We've gotten to the part of the season where I despair at getting tier in vault

[fallow acorn]

fort/bolster hrmm

[wide ferry]

i mean they cant make it to where the vault wont drop shit you already have? i meaaann daaaamm

[gusty mirage]

they could

but they won't

[wide ferry]

facts

[gusty mirage]

gotta keep us on the hamster wheel you know

@thorn fjord prayge tindral dies this week

and we start the journey to perma poe time

[thorn fjord]

You guys over 400 pulls?

[gusty mirage]

no

we're at like 180

[thorn fjord]

ahh chillen

[gusty mirage]

best pull is like 60% I think

[thorn fjord]

Soon bro soon

[gusty mirage]

64.6%

apparently

[thorn fjord]

Go get your helm enchant

[near valley]

Not Skylining it smh

[gusty mirage]

we tried but we had to rearrange raid nights cause people were gone

we cancelled raid sunday night

cause one of our healers has wish.com internet

(aka comcast)

[near valley]

Lmao

[thorn fjord]

Good ole comcast

[vestal wren]

did you enjoy the 162 pulls?

[thorn fjord]

i dont think he even enjoys the game

[gusty mirage]

I loved learning one set of feathers for the first half and another set of feathers for the next quarter, and then the third set of feathers for the last 40

and I'm upset that they didn't add even more feathers with this latest tuning

I was hoping for 20 feathers by christmas

cause someone unironically looked at p1 and said "2 more feathers will fix this"

[vestal wren]

oxi the 🪶 enjoyer

[near valley]

My favorite part of TSwift is being legally blinded

[polar cape]

I wanted 10feather and after they spawn they start turning around the boss like a carousel

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

you get used to it

and by get used to it

I mean you become ray charles

and just go in blind

like literally this time

[near valley]

I pull out the shades ngl

[gusty mirage]

instead of figuratively

https://tenor.com/view/light-blinding-gif-5750844

[near valley]

Does this come with piano buff?

[gusty mirage]

tindral on pull pov

[near valley]

I feel like someone has deffo gotten an epileptic seizure on that boss

[thorn fjord]

Sims want me to take helm and catalize

bleh

[gusty mirage]

honestly the biggest nerf to that boss would be removing that moonfire texture

saving the eyes of thousands

[near valley]

True and oh so real

[forest notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qTLH4MstX9PmZ1br7xA5PJ what for real Sims doesnt recommend Pips over current trinkets?

telling me to catalize gloves over pips

that seems wrong

[thorn fjord]

No

They never are

unless you're @magic sparrow

[fallow acorn]

lol

[rigid minnow]

Cheerful! After weeks of bad vaults and 50 plus runs of falls. Finally a NIck of Time

[forest notch]

Just going off of this, I should probably take pips no?

Seems like its a better sandglass

[sullen silo]

Guys, how big of a chance do i have to push for top m+ players for title as PUG player ?

[forest notch]

Im scared to trust sims for trinkets as trinket are more rare and sometimes maybe not optimal with my exact gear set but best overall later

but maybe im crazy

[grim jay]

it works entirely different

[forest notch]

sorry same as in dmg, was bgoing by this statement

[empty timber]

I had 1 upgrade to do, Raidbots told me to upgrade my helm from 473 to 476 instead of my Doti dagger from 473 to 476 although I believed the weapon was the priority (maybe it's the stats idk)

[forest notch]

Slightly worse than pips

[grim jay]

pips should be better with multiple targets tho

even if its not better for your current ST gear

[polar cape]

Wouldn’t pips value depend on stats dr also?

[grim jay]

[forest notch]

it just feels so odd to take gloves over myth track trinket but I know feelings dont = math.

just wanted to like triple verify with some experts

before I took gloves

[glacial lantern]

I never liked damage proc trinkets

[grim jay]

whats your current glove ilvl

[forest notch]

it will be 483 this week with 1 of my catalysts

but Im pretty sure I accounted for that in sims

ohh I didnt

shit

lets try again

[grim jay]

ilvl always is big on the med-high mainstat slots

you gotta compare with whats easily attainable

which would be 483,ye

[forest notch]

ya I thought I did, adjusting and rerunning now as I had forgotten to included an upgraded pair of my current gloves

so ya it was a 476 - 489 jump

[arctic socket]

What trinket was it?

[forest notch]

asking me?

[arctic socket]

Oh the hourglass

[forest notch]

Pips

I have 483 Hourglass/branch currently

and vault has myth pips

[arctic socket]

You’re passing up on a pips?

[forest notch]

Thats what sims was telling me

so im trying to triple verify

[arctic socket]

How much damage difference

[forest notch]

Pips didnt even show up which was odd

rerunning agian though

with the proper ilvl of current gloves

so outcome might change

[grim jay]

it doesnt if you sim a trillion things and its worse than or in line with your current setup

[arctic socket]

I would say take the pips

well see what sims says

[forest notch]

ya it was a big sim, this one is more isolated

[arctic socket]

But good luck getting s mythic pip in raid if it drops

“That’s my bis”

[forest notch]

its almost done so we will see lol

and ya

lol

hence why id like to take it

just want it to mathimatically make sense as well

[arctic socket]

If it’s a 50 damage difference

[forest notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cfgCXMPzs9mWUji9VbmXwd

[arctic socket]

I would grab the pips

[forest notch]

damm still no pips wtf

ok 120 dmg diff

probly fine thne

wait nm

like 800 dmg diff

[arctic socket]

Yeah

Seems like you’re taking gloves

Lmao

[forest notch]

game also wants me to take off my crafted ring with flavor packet

fml

[arctic socket]

Game can Fuck it self with thst one

Flavor packet is like 500 dps trust

[grim jay]

sims might also want you to go for more haste than what you currently have to make pips better. I'd honestly take pips, even if only for m+

[forest notch]

I dont get how 6 ilvls on gloves is worth a 6ilvl pips over hourglass

[arctic socket]

If I was in your situation

[grim jay]

stat diff

[arctic socket]

It would be pips for me

[polar cape]

If you put haste on crafted it prob will be your top

[eternal vortex]

i have like 23% haste and sim wants me to go for haste gems

[forest notch]

ya im leaning pips as well tbh, myth gloves will be much easier to obtain in future

[forest notch]

ya let me try

[grim jay]

I have haste crit legs, haste crit wrist and haste gems over mastery or vers stuff

[arctic socket]

Gratz on your pip trinket

[grim jay]

even with sandglass

[grim jay]

and yeah hands is second and 3rd boss

if you go volcoross 3rd

[arctic socket]

You’re really chasing those kb poison applications

With all that haste

Trynna not have to get pi huh

[spark lion]

does nick of time "time strike" stack? im asuming yes but just wanted to confirm

[forest notch]

YA

oops cpaps

[strange bronze]

Question for you all.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1vZJU9SpP5trLyvPkYqjBv
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ifd8TP6aWiGY9DyxSxsp4w

Wearing Heroic Branch/Champ Periwinkle atm. Choice between Mythic Peri or Mythic Branch. Scared I wont see branch again, but cloak dmg increase is better. Thoughts concerns pls.

[grim jay]

brother

you are

36 ilvl down

on your back

[strange bronze]

LMAO

BUT TRINKET

MYTHIC

SADGE

[grim jay]

no I meant as in

why even sim that

[strange bronze]

wait

huh?

[cerulean nest]

take the trinket you dunce

[forest notch]

takes sooooooooo long

[grim jay]

you cant get the trinket somewhere else and its BiS

[uneven ferry]

How much is the new head enchant going to matter for raid ST? I somehow only have 27 so I'm not going to have it for ages. 😢

[grim jay]

the back is whatever

[forest notch]

One thing I miss about Devoker was the Sims were SUPERRRR fast

[grim jay]

you get 483 all the time

[vivid seal]

hey guys if im at 4 cp and i get a blindside proc. do i just envenom then use the proc ?

[grim jay]

2%

on max profile

[dusk sun]

Si

[uneven ferry]

much thanks. Good to know!

[grim jay]

tldr back is whatever and the trinket is "BiS", just take the trinket and farm a 483 back

[real solar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/spiked-counterweight-buffed-on-weekly-reset-336685?webhook

[lyric spindle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/spiked-counterweight-trinket-buffed-on-weekly-reset-336685 Is this any good for us now?

Seems like it might slap with KB if it procced

[dark token]

capped extra damage

🥱

[cerulean nest]

more random procs ❤️

[grim jay]

we'll prolly never see the day that trinket is any good

it never even was iirc

for anyone

[dark token]

people said this about mydas talisman

lmao

[boreal raven]

dono if this is a dumb question or not, but with DTB does it matter what order i apply my poisons

[forest notch]

I do have one of these thankfully if its ever goodl ol

[slim hedge]

Nope

[boreal raven]

thanks

[slim hedge]

Just apply the correct ones

[forest notch]

mydas was slapping pretty hard before I got branch

[boreal raven]

also ive seen different info from youtube/wowhead guides, the first 4-5 globals before CDs in the opener, is there an optimal way to garrote, then get rupture snd n envenom up before i go into deathmark

[forest notch]

(From stealth) Garrote > Ambush > Rupture > mut > SnD > Mut to 6 > Envenom > Deathmark > Shiv > SD + KB > KB rotation

[onyx swallow]

are there ideal statweights for sin or is it kinda adhoc (i.e. get as much of x as you can)

[boreal raven]

thanks

[empty pilot]

not an expert but I'm operating on the logic that it's a lot easier to fill a back slot to replace a BiS cloak without missing noticeable DPS. You can't say the same for branch I don't think. I would take branch ez

I was taught that, outside of 4 piece tier, only trinkets and weapons matter to a degree worth caring about

[strange bronze]

I took the trinket.

[forest notch]

Im mostly sure this is correct but I believe there is also some cases where you want to accellerate CDs and do
(From stealth) Garrote > Ambush > Rupture > mut > SnD > Deathmark > Shiv > SD + KB > KB rotation

And envenom inside of KB earlier

[empty pilot]

gartz

[strange bronze]

Didn't realize the cloaks arent that crazy when it comes to upgrading.

[boreal raven]

since i got you here, i got one more for ya lol

[kindred epoch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/spiked-counterweight-trinket-buffed-on-weekly-reset-336685

any chance this will be good now?

[boreal raven]

on council, am i even bothering to swap targets for rupture or just letting IC do its thing and single target dpsing whatever boss were on at the time

[kindred epoch]

multidot as much as u can, meaning dont cross the entire room just to re dot

[boreal raven]

10 4 thanks

[slim hedge]

Recommend watching Whispyrs videos on YouTube and reading the wowhead guide properly. Nothing is a substitute really

[kindred epoch]

also if ur in prog u gotta be ethical, will have to dps Pip on its own a lot

when ur in farm u can ignore pip a bit more

[forest notch]

keep your stuff up on as much as you can without runnign across room

[fallow canopy]

I hate that little blinkingbastard

[forest notch]

oh ya, what Zarhoes said

[kindred epoch]

fr specially when u see its like 20% behind the other two so you gotta deathmark it on its own 😦

[forest notch]

We killed Council this week, my rogue parse was assssss though

[kindred epoch]

worst part is when he blinks mid deathmark tho

[forest notch]

but boss died

[slow mortar]

brh neck and brh cloak, and tier gloves
so neck cause I can just catalyst gloves down the road?

[forest notch]

We did Aerwynn + Ursoc until 15% on Aer then we did Pips + ursoc until all low then called audibles as needed

worked well

[surreal citrus]

[spice spire]

This is an easy choice

[surreal citrus]

it is

[forest notch]

need to get a better parse this week if I can, but chasing Aerwynn during CDs sucks or getting ducked

[forest notch]

sexyyyy

[onyx swallow]

:O

[surreal citrus]

i jyst didnt want BOTH at the same time

[forest notch]

Nick of time if you dont already have myth track wep though

[kindred epoch]

i usually send my deathmarks on aerwynn and the rest on ursoc/pip

just cuz aerwynn is the least likely to jump away during my cds

the other 2 move constantly

theyre so annoying

[forest notch]

ya Aerwynn jumping seemed a bit RNG for us

it wasnt always consistent

[ember sage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[forest notch]

so might focus my CDs into ursoc if he just did charge etc

[surreal citrus]

nah i'm using a crafted mh and a 480 dreamcarver so I'll upgrade the nick to 489 then put my crafted in my oh i think

[forest notch]

we will see though, Whispyr helped me go over some of it in coaching

and gave some good pointers

[forest notch]

ya makes sense

[agile osprey]

Is pad dmg the key to parsing on tindral?

[past forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=381630/intent-to-kill

The secret council tech

[forest notch]

myth track wep probably biggest upgrade

[surreal citrus]

deffo

[kindred epoch]

damn

didnt think about it

ill try it out this week lol

[surreal citrus]

i think i calced it earlier, 489 nick + crafted oh is like 3.5k dps gain over my current mh

[past forum]

I’m memeing

It’s bad

Do not play it lol

[kindred epoch]

i dont remember where it is in the tree

[past forum]

Idk if it’s even there anymore, i think you need to lose giga important stuff to even path to it

[kindred epoch]

oh, its on the same node as iron wire

yea nvm

not worth lmfao

[forest notch]

I am going to take the 3yd talent on nymue though

Even with trying to force more haste with enchants https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aYmBMQ7gj5711EpDTUfL37 , Stillll no pips WTF SIMS AGREE WITH MEEEEEE

Sims out here making this choice harder

[regal kiln]

Guys, everytime i switch talents my bars change, do you have any idea how i can make so that they never change when i switch talents cuz im kinda bored of adding and removing stuffs

[primal oasis]

So I just started playing again after having quit during the last season and I'm still in my sub gear from last season which means I actually have negative haste. Does this have a large effect on how energy starved I am? I feel like I'm starved all the time but could also be a gameplay problem since I'm still not doing the rotation perfectly

[clever sapphire]

you can edit the talentbuilds so it uses the same bars

[royal lantern]

haste has no noticable effect on energy

running out of energy is normal and assa is supposed too do that

[clever sapphire]

when selecting a talentbuild click on the cogwheel

[plain onyx]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[regal kiln]

love you mate

[primal oasis]

ah man that sucks, probably also a gameplay problem tho because sometimes it takes like 6 seconds before I can press anything

[balmy dome]

hey guys, how come my sim is not taking ashes from vault? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jLuerzu5SiqXrhRwgUPtRu

[oak tangle]

it may be reductive, but coming in and asking why your energy management is shit, but also being like 440 ilvl, is kinda like asking why your face is wet when walking in the rain without an umbrella

[kindred epoch]

because branch is busted in sims

and if u play it well its better than ashes anyway

[royal lantern]

very very stupid question but it happens often: do you have poisons applied

[primal oasis]

Yeah my WA tells me when I don't

[royal lantern]

and no, running out lf energy doesnt suck, assa is just no 24/7smashing nonstop

pooling energy sometimes is part of the gameplay

[spice spire]

You have branch and glass.
Both are really good trinkets

[primal oasis]

Ah right so I should be pooling instead of being at 0 energy and pressing the ability as soon as i'm able

[balmy dome]

so if you have witherbark/hourglass it's better than any other combo?

[modest mural]

I am ignorant, was the easy choice the Pips or the Nick of time?

[limpid ridge]

Is it just me or is fall on high tyr, 2nd boss just aids on rogue

[woven frost]

lazy rogue question- do any of you macro SD + KB *and garrote?

[past forum]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[kindred epoch]

for pure single target, signet brand > sandglass usually

for aoe/cleave generally yea, witherbark and sandglass are ur best bets

[balmy dome]

even heroic brand?

[kindred epoch]

for me yes, you'd have to sim though

[primal oasis]

I still have my old 4-set so guess I'll just stay above 50% energy

[oak tangle]

not lazy, you'd be less likely to find people who dont

[limpid ridge]

I dont

[kindred epoch]

i dont

lmaoo

[feral mason]

dont do that in m+

[primal oasis]

I got SD and KB macro'd but not garrote

[feral mason]

you couldnt do that either way

two gcds

[woven frost]

I just noticed in my logs I fat finger everything BUT my garrote for my next cast

[feral mason]

unless people are spell sequencing or whatever its called

[oak tangle]

oh yeah not the garrote part

[past forum]

I have dance macro’d into kb but i also have dance keybound separately in case

[oak tangle]

no bueno

[feral mason]

but idk dance kb is kinda not ideal if you do keys

but for raid its nice

[primal oasis]

why exactly?

I thought you always use KB and SD together

[woven frost]

you can use it to spread bleeds

[feral mason]

if tank does some stupid ass chain i like to have it up to retrigger ic

[primal oasis]

ahh I see

[oak tangle]

i don't seperate them in keys and it's fine

[feral mason]

usually just start keys with the two buttons together but if i realise the tank has no clue what my class does

i use them seperately

[woven frost]

I have it both macroed and separate on bars for that reason. Just was trying to fix my stupidity with garrote

[primal oasis]

What is actually the reason we use SD with KB?

[feral mason]

10% damage increase

[oak tangle]

nightstalker

[woven frost]

just going to have to get my fingers to press correct buttons

[past forum]

Nightstalker buff snapshots on kb

[primal oasis]

ah right

[past forum]

So if u press kb during dance the whole duration is buffed by nightstalker

[woven frost]

with the cleave M+ build its helpful to keep them together

[past forum]

In theory u could kb the last second of dance and the whole duration would be buffed

[fallow acorn]

cleave or shock this week for mythic+ (fort/bolst)

[woven frost]

I'm thinking cleave

[feral mason]

im thinking dont play this week

[fallow acorn]

cleave might be nice for the bolstered dudes from all the ape dps'ers

[woven frost]

fort is a fun week for us

[feral mason]

nice lil alt week

[oak tangle]

there is basically no appreciable difference between builds (mostly)

[fallow acorn]

yeah

[forest notch]

ya but then you likely wasting globals of SD prepping for KB

[loud hearth]

You could actually do that in 1 macro with
/use [form:2/1]Garrote
after the SD/KB part.

It would take 2 button presses, but would still work.

[fallow acorn]

all seems super great and fun and lovely

[forest notch]

ie you either have to spend aglobal on shiv or shiv + DM

[feral mason]

then whats even the point xdd

[forest notch]

vs doing the prep before hand and then SD + KB same global

[timid talon]

Spiked counterweight buffed, surely that's not enough to make it viable now

[feral mason]

idk man

[forest notch]

than you dont waste globals of SD

[woven frost]

There's more of a difference in low keys I found. Things dying before KB just feels bad

[feral mason]

i am a macro hater

only acceptable macros are trinkets on cds or pi whispers for me personally

[limpid ridge]

M+ with Randis are way too situational to macro anything together

[forest notch]

I do macros like this, but its mainly to keep my UI less cluttered with buttons

[feral mason]

i mean thats fine

[limpid ridge]

What buttons

[forest notch]

and in this case I think always want to ambuch > Mut if you can

so this macro makes sense

[forest notch]

haha, I do get to this at one point

once its al lfull memoru

memory

[loud hearth]

Pressing 1 button twice is easier than pressing 2 separate buttons I guess

I wouldn't do that personally, but makes sense. It's similar to my SD/Strike macro for Sub

[forest notch]

but still adjusting things as I learn

[oak tangle]

you do know you not longer need to have ambush / mut on different buttons / binds

[primal oasis]

So why does mutilate automatically change into ambush when you get a blindside proc but not during SD or when you're in stealth?

[arctic socket]

Fins

[tacit charm]

hows my stat distribution lookin

[forest notch]

ya for my KB macro I have you do if you use a macro like mine as the macro version of Mut doesnt swap

[arctic socket]

Did you read blindside

[forest notch]

I ahve to explicitly tell it to swap

[woven frost]

I like pressing the buttons honestly, I'm just trying to retrain 14+ years of muscle memory