#assassination

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steep carbon
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ah it makes sense, 30% application chance

scarlet sable
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From stealth it’s

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Garrote Ambush Rupture Mutilate SnD Mutilate to 5+CP Envenom

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DM Shiv KB SD Garrote Envenom

vale shore
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also you need to borrow a Power Infusion from your audience!

steep carbon
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thanks all, appreicated

scarlet sable
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My question is what do I do when a boss has adds

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Is it worth sitting

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Dotting* like the add in Atal priestess

restive spire
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When Im sitting pooling energy with max cp and garrote is about to fall off, do I:
slam the envenom at a lower amount of energy than optimal
Or waste a combo point by re garroting

scarlet sable
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Or even the last boss

vale shore
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caustic spatter is usually enough I think

scarlet sable
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Right

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But adds on last boss in AD

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Just envenom them?

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Might throw KB in them

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Imagine

fervent jasper
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can toxic patch and engi rez go on the same bracers?

scarlet sable
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Uhhhh

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idk idk

gleaming spire
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No they cannot

scarlet sable
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I have 0 crafted

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Should I go with the classic toxic Thorn patch

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Outlaw is better for M+ right?

dark token
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In some keys

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Sin is better in others

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If ur pushing r1 m+ you prob play both

scarlet sable
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bro I’m pushing it alright

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outlaw was fun S1

woeful meteor
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ye, some keys just get impossible on one or the other spec with current tuning

scarlet sable
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But then they changed it def felt different

woeful meteor
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if you play for fun it's whatever

scarlet sable
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Thorn fist dropped in raid today passed on it

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Should’ve rolled for OS

fervent jasper
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What piece should we craft our taxic patch on if we want to keep engi rez bracers?

scarlet sable
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Back?

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belt?

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Lower stat budget pieces

woeful meteor
scarlet sable
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Those Engi brez bracers saved me some keys S1

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just no money in it

drifting cloud
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assa in like brh? or am I missing something super obvious

scarlet sable
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Work tomorrow gross amiright

dusk summit
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Can anyone answer why "Bloody Dragonhide Belt" is BIS with crit/vers and not something with Crit/mastery?

spice spire
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When you go higher in other things your prio will change

waxen oyster
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fall pants bis for guaranteed leech

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and still chance to roll another tert

dusk summit
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oh ic, so would it be BIS assuming you have everything else BIS as well?

scarlet sable
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Got them today

woeful meteor
# drifting cloud assa in like brh? or am I missing something super obvious

From Feeling assa should be better in throne, since you can always pull on some big mob to spatter off. Also you need sin in Fall to Kill Iridikron but rp after boss 3 is so long you can start as law and tp out. Rest feels even or law favoured, because the keys are full of Bosses killing 100 to 0 and law has more hp has 100% Feint uptime and get's the 20% DR on Evasion with Elusive more often

waxen oyster
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unironically fall pants would be good for my setup

spice spire
woeful meteor
waxen oyster
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since it wants more haste

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bis list: branch and nick of time offhand

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rest fill out with what drops

scarlet sable
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Why Nick offhand not main

waxen oyster
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i mean you’re not guaranteed to have a 489 nick

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and some 489 normal daggers sim higher

dusk summit
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i got a 483 Nick

scarlet sable
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like wut

dusk summit
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and a 476 crafted

waxen oyster
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crafted feels like a waste for dags

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unless your raid has terrible loot luck with daggers

dusk summit
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it does

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i needed somethign better than a 441 dagger

drifting cloud
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crafting is fine

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now with more sparks

compact wing
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Is the dmg amp from smolderon orbs dynamic in the sense where it'll still apply to my KB if I cast it before I pick them up

drifting cloud
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yes

waxen oyster
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yeah its situation based

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when your raid drops a tindral dag every week and 2 igira ones

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would be trolling to craft

waxen oyster
scarlet sable
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Is branch that bad to play with

waxen oyster
scarlet sable
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S1 puzzle box for DKs

surreal citrus
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I rarely have an issue grabbing orbs even in raids with lots of floor effects, it helps to know the spawn distance by muscle memory so you can grab one or two and then just let the last one float in

waxen oyster
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i mean the worst part about branch is just that the game makes 0 effort to distinguish which orbs are yours

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vs someone elses

surreal citrus
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^

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only fight I tend to have orb problems is the fat dude in waycrest because the geometry likes to make all 3 orbs just spawn on me instantly

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might just have to unmacro it from dm for that fight

waxen oyster
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if you pick the first 2 and keep distance from the last it should almost naturally float to you

surreal citrus
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the messed up geometry on pig man just makes them spawn directly under you

scarlet sable
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Man I have a LOAD of farming to do

surreal citrus
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if you're next to him when you pop branch

scarlet sable
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I’ll never get into raid

waxen oyster
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z axis funny

surreal citrus
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I also get LOS'd on him by a tiny piece of garbage while standing directly in front of him frequently

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very jank boss

waxen oyster
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ashes also respectable trinket tbh

surreal citrus
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I'd love to get one starege

waxen oyster
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same

surreal citrus
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my guild only just trimmed the fat for hc prog down to a solid core instead of whoever wants to show up like a 80k DPS boomie who rolls need on everything

waxen oyster
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branch is prob more annoying on specs that want to full extend each stack

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not sure if any do

plucky epoch
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Can you use shivs on cooldown in AOE with arterial precision or still wait to use them with kingsbane

drifting cloud
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not on cd but sending one here and there isnt the worst thing

dusk palm
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what build would you run in 24 galakronds

plucky epoch
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Might be missing something, but icyveins says cast finishers 5+ and wowhead says 4+?

drifting cloud
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do you have an old cache of icy veins, says 4+ here

plucky epoch
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Just for easy mode section I guess

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drifting cloud
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@marble hemlock Trashpandascheme

marble hemlock
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yeah on the easy mode page i kinda felt like keeping it 5+ because its smoother to play around the 4set with 5cp envenoms, and for returning players its also less of a change

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and the dps difference is like what, 1 or 2% iirc

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at most

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things are gonna get updated next reset and there will be parity, but the easy mode page typically deviates slightly from the "perfect" rotation or talent build for simplicity's sake

drifting cloud
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makes sense

paper heron
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is the DHT arch druids seal good for assa? i noticed on mplus subcreation lots are using it - but it's not on the BIS list?

drifting cloud
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assa has pretty flexible jewelry you can use

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just dont have too many high vers ones

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rest you can just fix with enchants/gems

marble hemlock
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the only true answer to "what gear do i want" is to sim and use raidbots. making bislists is not smth we enjoy or really want to do, but many many people want them

balmy condor
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forced to clickbait guides for the traffic

marble hemlock
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so we kinda gotta give people what they want, but one persons bislist could look different to another persons because, well, they got different items from great vault

balmy condor
marble hemlock
paper heron
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oki cos my rat alt has it as myth with avoidance so I wasn't sure

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I'll just take it and make the rest work then, thnx

balmy condor
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yeah that's giga

marble hemlock
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anything with a tertiary i would say just gets a solid spot in my personal "bis"

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if that means item 213 instead of item 179 is the better ring, then thats fine

drifting cloud
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even if its speed

waxen oyster
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yes

marble hemlock
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speed goated

waxen oyster
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gotta go fast

glad garden
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Welp i gave Subt every chance i could for the last month or so and survey says i suck at it 😄 I should have known to not go away from Sin i've used it since Wrath. O well sometimes you gotta learn the hardway >.>

forest notch
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Why is sub so high on Smold?

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spice sentinel
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lines up every amp phase

forest notch
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hmm worth learning for prog?

spice sentinel
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yeah

forest notch
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Sin still high though but if Subs easy why not

spice sentinel
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but you can prob get away with jsut straight ass

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im learning it just in case but my guild is going to be 100+ pulls guaranteed so ill have time to master it and make an informed decision

forest notch
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what sub tree you going?

spice sentinel
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invigorating, no rotten

forest notch
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kk

gaunt moat
forest notch
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not sure what you mean

gaunt moat
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You asked why not

forest notch
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oh sorry was rhetorical

gaunt moat
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Tough customer

forest notch
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haha

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text is hard

storm osprey
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so during kingsbane / deathmark rotation and i get a blindside proc like 3 times in a row and i know it doesnt apply caustic spatter. Is there a way to split the mutilate from turning into ambush? i thought making a /cast mutilate would maybe do it but it doesnt. any help would be appreciated 🙂

slate crown
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It does apply caustic spatter

drifting cloud
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it applies caustic

slate crown
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the tooltip is wrong

storm osprey
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ah kk

slate crown
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And to answer your technical question, no, you cannot split them apart. You cannot cast mutilate in any way if you have blindside up

storm osprey
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alright thanks

amber fossil
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so shadowstepping Igira on pull is a good way to die, eh?

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or is that a tank issue

lucid rain
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if the tanks aren't stacked then you might end up being closer to the mt than the ot is

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and you'll take the cleave hit

uncut dragon
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Watched whispyrs video on ramp time and AOE and now I'm overthinking all my talent choices

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I just wanna raid and not be an embarassment in M+ but I have to do M+ so I can raid

lucid rain
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your tanks could probably go around and start as close as they can behind her on pull

amber fossil
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I am in a pug, so I will prob just hold back and garr/amb in front

lucid rain
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probably a good idea

uncut dragon
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What happens if you have caustic up on a mob and you do something that would put caustic on a different mob? Does it cancel the first caustic or does it just not apply causstic to the second mob?

unreal epoch
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
thorny pond
uncut dragon
thorny pond
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You wouldn’t really accidentally move it

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If you had to reapply bleeds for example you’d either just garrote or build on your primary then rupture

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Kick/ks/etc

uncut dragon
thorny pond
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Outside of KB/DM windows, it’s not really the hugest deal

uncut dragon
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ya was just random trash and everything died before I could figure it out, but thought it might come up some other random time.

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think I'm trying one of the crimson tempest -less builds tho and just letting spatter spat

pastel carbon
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is soulrend on the last boss in AD feintable?

thorny pond
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I would just either get a weak aura that tracks caustic, get the name plates that identify your caustic target or both

uncut dragon
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yep I'm doing that in the other tab

thorny pond
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
thorny pond
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Cevs plater turns the nameplate green

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Pretty easy to distinguish. Most other WA packs include it also. I use both but ymmv

arctic hare
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The cleave build worked, surprisingly well in a 17 BRH

tired walrus
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Is it worth trying to maintain uptime from Sanguine Blades?

glad garden
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Is whyspers video from a month ago still the main setup talent wise or have they changed anything with patchs lately? . Gonna watch it to try and work on some rotations since im swapping to it from subt.

woven ruin
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All his builds are on wowhead

drifting cloud
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if you mean single target, its still the same

glad garden
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kk ty

eternal heath
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man i only did 3 20s on the rogue this week

manic ferry
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Dummy in need of help. Is it possible to cast envenom too early and therefore not refreshing buff? My dps is hilariously low like 70-90k ST at 460ilvl 4pc. I can come back with logs after work if it's required

idle radish
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could be dumb, but why dont we shadow dance later in kingsbane?

past forum
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U need to press kb during dance to snapshot nightstalker

tranquil flint
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is there a way to get details to not separate vanish situations on details?

glad garden
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Trying to remember is it weak auras that shows the timer countdown in the middle of the screen for skills like the 6 second enveom timer for pooling?

tranquil flint
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whispyr weakaura pooling trainer

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close

warm parcel
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Ye it honestly feels good.

glad garden
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not the trainer im talking about the little display in the bottom middle of screen that shows energy, all your skills in smaller boxes and the countdown timers on each.

arctic tusk
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
arctic tusk
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anywhere I can see the builds in pins sim numbers at

slate crown
fringe scroll
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u playin crimson in dungeons where u have much aoe like everbloom ?

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is it worth to play then?

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it sucks like crazy when stuff dies to fast :<

grim jay
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!Wa

prisma monolithBOT
glad garden
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thanks i thought it was but figured i better ask

grim jay
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I personally would recommend whispyrs afenar edit

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Many like luxthos aswell tho

glad garden
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im looking at both of them right now so far i think i like the whyspers from watching it. seems a little easier on the eyes for me for some reason. might be the color of the bars or something lol. The yellow doesn't stand out as much to me as the big red bars. shrugs

jade hedge
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You could scale any wa

uneven summit
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
fringe scroll
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is there any viable build for assa when shit dies rly fast in a 17/18?

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or do i have to specc outlaw for this? rly don't want to :<

lucid rain
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left + right

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focus on sudden demise booms

torn atlas
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Is is possible to precloak and avoid first group wide sand circles on 1st boss lower Doti? There never seems to be a good window to full send cooldowns on that fight

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Cos the 2 target big circles come like 10 seconds after the 5 target ones and then it repeats.

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Fight is simple as shit mechanically but I seem to find myself spending more time off the boss than on it.

fringe scroll
lucid rain
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obviously if there's a big KB-able mob, spatter off it

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but medium-hp mobs will probably explode on tyrannical before you get any reasonable kingsbane value

lucid rain
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idk if cloak lasts long enough for both slams

silk merlin
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one small question, the blindside proc does it get consumed by mutilate or should i press ambush? it goes away when i press mutilate

lucid rain
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mutilate transforms into ambush when you have blindside

silk merlin
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ohh!

torn atlas
lucid rain
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additionally, caustic spatter tooltip doesn't say it, but ambush will apply spatter

torn atlas
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Might try it next time tho

lucid rain
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lemme find a vod, I can probably tell you

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I see the leaps hitting at 2:31 and 2:36 in a vod I'm watching

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so probably ded

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if you try to cloak both

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but!

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you can run in like a monkey with cloak

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and not be afraid of those little projectiles that come from the leap

silk merlin
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so according to wowanalyzer ( i know you take that site with a grain of salt ) during your shadowdance + KB you want to use ambush as a builder in that timeframe, is that true? or is it okay to just use mutilate?
abit complicated question sorry

lucid rain
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ideally you ambush but mutilating is not a big loss

torn atlas
glad garden
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Well im for sure a sin player and just trash at sub after the test results. I went from 83k dps in sub on a test dummy to 187k with sin. i might be the worst sub player ever O.o

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sad part is i have been working on that sub spec for a month and that was my 1st ever rotation with sin in DF.

storm forum
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did we change our server icon or did i step into an alternate timeline again?

hexed willow
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It’s different

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Less green

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I don’t like it

storm forum
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hmmm

misty holly
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Why don't we get an animated icon like Peak of Serenity has.

storm forum
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or WCP?

simple gyro
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It’s the Christmas dagger

storm forum
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wait

simple gyro
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Stab things with pine trees!

storm forum
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huh

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im not seeing it

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maybe if i squint

misty holly
storm forum
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they look a little like green arrowheads that are maybe sorta shaped like pine trees

simple gyro
placid snow
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So if I'm just spamming 20's on my rogue alt, Arterial sounds like the way to go. Not tried it yet, just ran hybrid - but I do struggle on aoe DPS when adds die so quick

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That the play? Arterial? Or can go cleave if we need prio/boss I guess.

normal mist
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If they die too quick, then you don't want to aoe

fallen raven
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personally i'd say go cleave on tyrannical weeks since trash packs are just going to die so fast from everyone else you may as well just focus on boss damage, arterial on fort

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but honestly just play whatever you like the feel of most

balmy condor
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yuh

willow kite
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Yeah, overall is a meme

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You want speed, and if hybrid makes the key go faster, Hybrid it is

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That's an if that is hard to answer though, so ymmw

fallen raven
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yeah if you're just pugging you have zero sense of how your group will play, how the tank will pull etc

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so just do whatever it'll be fine

lime crypt
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Try to do damage and don't let mobs cast - level of whatever

rigid tartan
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Cleave as in the standard raid spec except IC and spatter?

oak tangle
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just yell at your fellow dps

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and tell them to fuck off from hitting your kb target

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"my damage is the most important"

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XD

distant birch
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§WA

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
opal vector
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What build in your opinion guys is Best for keys +18-24?

oak tangle
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haven't really tried all the others too much, but ap blindside is nice

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i could see the others being stronger if your tank pull the dungeon around you, but in pugs that aint a thing

rotund oak
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this week arterial precision coz enrage

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but generally i think sudden demise must be better

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(im not pushing high keys jsut doing some 21s)

grim jay
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Still have to encounter a situation where I wanna shiv because of the enrage

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On sin

grim jay
keen spruce
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in like 25s

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where u see disaster on the horizon

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but still have two globals to shiv then kidney/blind

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basically never

placid snow
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I mean you can take AP with SD

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Outright should for the synergy I think

forest oasis
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
pseudo hamlet
bronze echo
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Does it matter which target you use kingsbane on?

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And does caustic spatter do anything with kingsbane?

torn atlas
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You want your KB target to be what ever will live the longest. Usually the buggest beefiest target in the pack.

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And spatter will spread KB damage

grim jay
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Spoiler: whatever you think it is and you will cast your kb on, it wont live long

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The legend says: as soon as you use KB, everyone in your group will get alle the procs in the world and their cds are suddenly up again, even if they just used them

bronze echo
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ye thats messed me up many times, never really had to think about which target has the most hp except like adds that we would need to focus in high keys, so accidently popping on a BIG add but has no hp is insanly annoying xd

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also playing with 482 havoc in 17 keys, hes gearing my rogue, i cannot do dmg kek

pseudo hamlet
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It's hard to do DPS on Tyra weeks in ~20-22 keys when trash is just melting and your KB target is just dying in a few seconds.

bronze echo
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also, what are the 3 most important dungeons to farm? would guess fall > EB > BRH ?

royal lantern
mystic osprey
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watch whispyr new vid

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me do damage now

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whispyr is god

storm forum
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It's fort week, we might get to the point where friend CDs are up again after the first pack.

strange python
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17 runs and no drops

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has anyone got any idea what is the drop chance on nick of time

storm forum
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40% chance for loot to drop for you, and then like 16% chance for Nick to be your loot

strange python
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wow

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Im so fcuking unlucky then

storm forum
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6.4%

pseudo hamlet
dapper hound
normal mist
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Meanwhile people complaining at 40+ runs

strange python
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Ok i might not be the unluckiest

normal mist
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There's always someone worst

stable flint
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
storm forum
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I got one, but in a 9, so I'm still farming for a hero version

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did like 10 this week

velvet ridge
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new ravenholdt image who dis

storm forum
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they're supposed to look like christmas trees but im not buying it

velvet ridge
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oh i thought they were cookies

storm forum
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this alley isnt dark enough or something

velvet ridge
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shaped like trees

storm forum
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they looked like arrowheads to me

velvet ridge
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they kinda look like daggers tbh

storm forum
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i think theyre supposed to

velvet ridge
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😳

pseudo hamlet
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They are real daggers from the game though

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storm forum
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huh

pseudo hamlet
storm forum
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im not seeing it

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i might need new glasses idk

keen spruce
surreal citrus
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seen one in about 35ish runs total

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took my warlock friend 52 wcms to get balefire

pseudo forum
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Question for the hive mind. I understand that without external buffs assa is pretty mid. If you don’t have aug, is PI “enough” on its own for assa? or is it better/equal to play sub with no PI and no Aug?

keen spruce
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I have like 4 in about 38 runs?

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i think

storm forum
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wtf

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give me some

surreal citrus
keen spruce
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but i'll never see one in my vault

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so it doesn't matter

surreal citrus
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all the rogue specs are very close without externals either play by preference or by whatever the fight you're doing is more suited to

pseudo hamlet
strange python
keen spruce
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but sure

strange python
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Technicaly

storm forum
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for the memes, yeah

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for realism, its still 16%

keen spruce
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it just means you've been unlucky

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you still have just as much chance to be unlucky going forward

strange python
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Let me think i have a 70% chance of getting one

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Makes me wanna grind

rose valley
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
keen spruce
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if you round up 64%

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then you have a 70% chance yes

royal lantern
keen spruce
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52 very unluckers

strange python
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yikes

royal lantern
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ye, that figures

storm forum
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o.o

royal lantern
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average tryan rng moment

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the good thing

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i cursed multiple people in my guild now with that

keen spruce
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but also

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that's only like 1/3 as likely

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as getting on your first run

royal lantern
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we saw 2zenith drops on heroic and 0 on mythic atm

keen spruce
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so like ApuShrug

royal lantern
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my bad luck fucks others dracthyr_kek

pseudo hamlet
storm forum
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bro

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me toooo

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our tier is fake

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we all got omni tokens from heroic fyrak

velvet ridge
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ok but lowkey i feel like i quit once i get bis (close to bis) gear

storm forum
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im about to quit

royal lantern
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without catalyst and omni token, we would have no 4set on evokers/warriors/rogues/ monks

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bruh

storm forum
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and im not even close to bis

royal lantern
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its ridicolous

storm forum
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its ok, this week my priest got full normal tier from alt raid

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so im about to swap

keen spruce
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lanille stop

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just be rogue

royal lantern
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heal or dps priest

storm forum
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probably 5th healer flex

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im also definitely staying rogue

royal lantern
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based

storm forum
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at least until the .5 patch

royal lantern
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healer Priests are chads

storm forum
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i was a heal main last tier

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but i cant do the same thing 2 tiers in a row

keen spruce
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kinda wish they'd give out m+ title at the .5 patch

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and the end of the season

velvet ridge
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im just waiting til rogue gets apothecary heal spec

storm forum
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im like this close to being a druid main so i can play the same class 2 tiers in a row

pseudo forum
storm forum
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but i think my GM might kill me if i said i wanted to tank for a tier

velvet ridge
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its sooo long

storm forum
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
rotund oak
storm forum
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oh man sandglass

rotund oak
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but im not rly going crazy for nick,its better for sure

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but i rly need trinkets

mystic osprey
storm forum
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i have a champion sandglass, but lost every roll for hero sandglass

rotund oak
mystic osprey
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CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

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storm forum
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bro i dont even have a branch yet

royal lantern
# storm forum i was a heal main last tier

wanna know what i always love about priests

holy players

they are either the biggest mouth breathers in the world

OR the absolute giga chad that just likes holy and knows litearlly everything and dies 0x trought out the entire raid night

the is absolutely no in-bettwen

rotund oak
#

got embersoul prio though from raidteam

storm forum
rotund oak
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will get it once it drops

storm forum
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cause its actually so easy

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i hadn't played it since Legion LFR

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and it was just so intuitive

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and i could actually do mechanics and react to things

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instead of bashing my head like i do playing disc

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like idk if i can play disc in mythic again cause i feel like id be griefing my team

royal lantern
#

tbf

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disc this tier

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was made way way more intuitive and easy too play/grasp

rotund oak
#

ild only play priest for pvp

royal lantern
#

twillight equilibrium is just a passive w/e now, like sanguine blades is

rotund oak
#

ild rather hpally or rsham

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for raids

royal lantern
#

and that talent alone

#

ruined disc

storm forum
#

i have issues with current disc CDR stuff

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CDR stuff is very unintiutive to me

royal lantern
#

holy is holy, always Smooth af too play

storm forum
#

its partially why i prefer Sin to the other specs

royal lantern
#

holy priest/preservation evoler are probably the best desinged healers imo

royal lantern
#

cdr is ok on stuff like outlaw

storm forum
#

Holy CDR to me is less CDR and more whackamole? Like it made way more sense when I pretended theyre procs instead of CDR

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maybe i should try outlaw again

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with that same mentality

royal lantern
#

i mean, on outlaw the cdr is good, cus the spec was desinged around it in mind

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its 1 of the main pillars of outlaw and how/why the spec works

storm forum
#

i wish i didnt need to farm a sword for OL

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so could try it

royal lantern
#

eh

plucky canopy
#

I mean if u have two daggers already on hc track, you can set loot spec to outlaw in dungeons

royal lantern
#

craft a 1h weapon down the line and its w/e

plucky canopy
#

And u will get it naturally at some point

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Or try to get thorncaller once all our mains in raid got it

quiet oar
strange python
mystic osprey
keen spruce
#

how many drops are in eb

royal lantern
#

like

mystic osprey
#

I got my whole 4 set from raid

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I always get set drops

royal lantern
#

those things are the only reason we have 4set at all in our raid rn dracthyr_kek

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didnt saw a single zenith mythic token

strange python
keen spruce
#

yeah so it'd be 8% chance to get it on a single run

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instead of 6.67%

turbid mulch
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
#

oh even more unlucky on eb then

quiet oar
#

I got mine on the 8th run

strange python
#

16 and counting

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no drops :/

rotund oak
#

i wouldnt even try farming archmage sol for anything

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btch so overtuned it makes me cringe

frosty turret
#

So been using Hekili whilst learning some assa, just alt'ing with downtime ect. And it seems to never suggest Deathmark with first Kingsbane in the opener, and just curious how that be.... and surely thats gotta be wrong right?
Yes i know addon is not a good longterm solution and all that, just use it as a reference point to find my own mistakes and question things whilst picking up a new class.

plush tusk
#

might be not updated 😄

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dm without kb is insanity

vagrant wagon
#

just go hard on a target dummy and practice the rotation from wowhead and you gucchi

frosty turret
#

I literally included a line specifically expecting a message of that note 😄

vagrant wagon
#

i dont mean it in a bad way 😄

frosty turret
#

Again, reason i mentioned at all, is they just credit their rotation suggestions to sims, just curious how in any world, that could make sense on a ST encounter.

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And if i was missing a learning opportunity.

vagrant wagon
#

i just dont understand how it is fun to play a game where a addon tells me exactly what to do, not thinking if it is right or wrong, just doing it 😄

frosty turret
#

Yea i mean, i speak to personal experience, im not using it to chain follow it, using it to see where what i am doing is varying, why its varying, and that creates opportunities to learn or correct mistakes, whether me or the addon.

sick pagoda
#

hekili for me (after the snd and rupture) goes, dm shadow dance and then kingsbane

frosty turret
#

Weirddd we get different.

plush tusk
#

i mean...was do the same tbf 😄

royal lantern
#

just

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dont use hekili

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🙂

frosty turret
#

Strong insights.

royal lantern
#

you will do instantly 20% more dps

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by actually playing right

rotund oak
frosty turret
#

Nobody has at any point, suggested not playing right or just following Hekili.

vagrant wagon
#

i like learning too, but there are better ways.
for example, do a m+ key, and compare your damage breakdown with a rogue that does a +27key (it is different of course comparing a +18 with a +27) but checking if kingsbane is for example at position 2 or 3 in overall from you and the "top" rogue should be better

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and im telling this trying to help not. bashing someone for using that addon ^^

plush tusk
frosty turret
#

Ok so, just tested it again. It seems to suggest Deathmarking and branching on second Kingsbane. Instead of 1st.
Im guessing its just pulling bad info from a specific time simulated log.

proud pelican
#

Maybe smolderon timings? 🤷🏼‍♂️

feral mason
#

hell nah

proud pelican
#

Aintnoway

feral mason
keen spruce
#

it's also only as good as the person updating it

#

and traditionally speaking. it's not good

#

so you added a caveat to say that "yeah i know it's not a long term solution etc etc." well it's also not a short term solution if it's just telling you wrong information

feral mason
#

This is giving me ptsd to the ravenholdt hekili incident

arctic socket
#

Hekili only works if you have 8 priests giving you pi, with 40% flat haste

keen spruce
#

and saying "well i just want to compare where I dffer"

weary juniper
#

bros how big is the 4set on ST/AoE?

keen spruce
#

well... what value is there in comparing what you're doing (which might be wrong) to something else that might be wrong

arctic socket
feral mason
weary juniper
#

actual huge gamer dippes? am i better off playing with carnage to make up for the lack of it on AoE?

weary juniper
#

i have 2set now but its kinda

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yea

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exists

feral mason
#

Oh itll be like 10-12% then prob

weary juniper
#

mhm mhm

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so do i play carnage till i get it ?

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bc without kingsbane theres 0 dippes on aoe

feral mason
#

huh?

weary juniper
#

1sec

feral mason
#

Link your m+ talents

weary juniper
#

ye

keen spruce
#

why are you playing w/o kingsbane

weary juniper
#

no no im not

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im saying

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when its not up

keen spruce
#

oh

weary juniper
#

theres no dps to be had

keen spruce
#

i mean you just run spatter

weary juniper
#

yuh

keen spruce
#

and manually spread bleeds

feral mason
#

theres no universe where you dont run ic in keys

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so idk

keen spruce
#

nothin really changes when you have/don't have tier

weary juniper
#

i have kingsbane

#

xd

keen spruce
#

you just do more damge

arctic socket
#

Reading this hurts

keen spruce
#

you should have kingsbane and IC

weary juniper
#

BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsFJJhIBAAAAAAIlkIlkAAAAAAAtWSCSgkkSaREREJJJRSrViEA

#

well

#

on tyra weeks

#

i play it like this

#

so i have max st

feral mason
#

Ts useless man aint at home

weary juniper
#

and a little aoe

keen spruce
#

just take a screenshot

arctic socket
#

You run ic regardless of the week

keen spruce
#

i'm on my warrior also useless for me lol

#

but yeah

weary juniper
keen spruce
#

you don't need to change talents between weeks

weary juniper
#

IC talents make st ass :(

keen spruce
#

it doesn't tho

#

also you have IC

#

in that picture

weary juniper
#

im dumb

#

i have to revoke

keen spruce
#

which is the most ST dungeon built

weary juniper
#

1sec

feral mason
keen spruce
#

that exists rn

dark token
arctic socket
#

Actual krill issue

weary juniper
#

i meant CT

keen spruce
keen spruce
#

when it comes to CT

#

I play it

#

cuzz AoE is important

#

and I think that cleave build is real dumb

#

but that's just me

dark token
#

CT is huge dam

#

kinda dumb to skip it

#

for what, nerfed blindside? in dungeons? xD

weary juniper
#

it is it is but i see alot of people going like this so they have that max st and the aoe isnt that bad on higher keys

dark token
#

if you want max ST with low aoe play sub

weary juniper
#

nahh sub sus asf

#

i like it but im on that assasstrain

keen spruce
#

okay so a lot of people are doing a lot of things for a lot of reasons

#

but unless you know why they're doing them

#

then it doesn't really help you to speculate

#

about what should and shouldn't be run for which reasons

weary juniper
#

well the ones that play that build are there to ST on tyra weeks, but as i said i really and wholeheartedly believe they do normal AoE aswell without CT

keen spruce
#

yeah I don't change talents

dark token
#

top guys are playing sin on fort and outlaw/sub on tyrannical

keen spruce
#

tyran to fort

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and playing arterial shock / full AoE

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on tyran is till way more overall damage

weary juniper
#

mhm mhm

#

aight

keen spruce
#

but also

weary juniper
#

i shall take this advice into my further endeavors

keen spruce
#

overall damage doesn't really matter

dark token
#

shock is not really a good build once u have 4p

weary juniper
#

nope

keen spruce
#

because all of the timers are so free

dark token
#

just play hybrid

weary juniper
#

not if you cant finish bosses

dark token
#

all scenarios

weary juniper
#

ok

#

ty broskis

keen spruce
bleak sun
#

PogO 28runs later

image.png
keen spruce
#

dont' listen to him

arctic socket
dark token
weary juniper
#

xd

dark token
#

especially in lower keys

bleak sun
#

shttt still need a second 489 dagger

weary juniper
#

wait which shock

#

xd

dark token
#

but as u get into higher keys SD does less and less

#

and the other build just sims better

frosty turret
#

!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
keen spruce
#

it is indistinguishable at all levels

#

and SD is for the 10% bleed damage

#

which does not do less and less

dark token
#

not really

#

10% bleed is good

#

but the proc was doing like 8-10% of my dam with previous 4p

#

and in lower keys

#

now it does 1-2%

#

its a big diff

keen spruce
#

but no one cares about the proc

#

it does a flat damage amount

limber lion
#

I care

keen spruce
#

so ofc it will do a higher % in a dungeon that has less health

#

that like a beacon doing 50% of you damage to a boss that has 2m health. but only 3% to a raid boss., like you don't lose any value from it

limber lion
#

Also can we not use the SD abbreviation

royal lantern
#

shmeeps, for the love of everything in this world, dont make me agree with frking soviet pepehands

limber lion
#

Why not Demise

keen spruce
#

the whole value of demise is the bleed damage

dark token
#

disagree

limber lion
#

It's both

dark token
#

and 10% bleed by itself is not enough to outsim hybrid build once u get 4p

limber lion
#

:)

#

Sudden Demise loses to all builds

#

Because it literally does not work in sims

keen spruce
#

yeah i mean that's what i'm saying

royal lantern
#

cev doing the mic drop

keen spruce
#

even with it not implemented it's like 3-4%

#

which is indistinguishable in keys

#

given the amount of variance

limber lion
#

But 10% bleed is?

#

Same thing applies

keen spruce
#

idk how to answer that because that wasn't the point i was making at all

limber lion
#

You literally cannot tell the difference with passive talent choices

keen spruce
#

right

#

that was my point

limber lion
#

The only way to tell a difference is if the gameplay changes

keen spruce
#

right and it doesn't

#

between shock and hybrid

#

except blindside

limber lion
#

Doing 250k one dungeon and 255k the next

keen spruce
#

which is also not a gameplay change

limber lion
#

Is that because of talents?

#

Probs not

fierce sigil
#

Yesterday i did a +20 with a dh and bm Hunter… my aoe Wasnt Even there… how to fix that problem or do i have to accept that my aoe will be close to 0 if i am in a group with dh and bm? 😂

keen spruce
#

yes that is what i'm saying

limber lion
#

Get a dogshit tank who pulls 1-3 mobs at a time and you do 0 damage

#

And a tank that pulls 20 and you do giga damage

#

Yes Shmeeps, I'm literally defending you here

keen spruce
#

it's late

#

don't bully me

fierce sigil
slate crown
#

Wait

#

To be clear but my eyes are crusty I just woke up

limber lion
#

You still do more damage to 20 mobs

#

Than 3

slate crown
#

Isn’t “hybrid” the build that takes amp/dtb/SuD?

autumn folio
#

!FUU

prisma monolithBOT
slate crown
#

And skips AP?

limber lion
#

Yes

fierce sigil
#

Cause the Plants in everbloom for example where dead in milliseconds..

limber lion
#

Yeah, and?

slate crown
#

So what build do you mean @dark token

limber lion
#

Probably means the cleave build or the one that takes ap dtb kb ic

arctic socket
#

Reading all these abbreviations early in the morning hurts

fierce sigil
#

Y where comes my damage then if dh and bm kill that with a Burst of over 700k dps 😂

limber lion
#

Why does that matter?

arctic socket
#

If you’re in that situation, you spec st and accept your carry

keen spruce
#

If mobs are dying so fast that you can't do damage then you're just doing keys that are too low

fierce sigil
#

Ok

keen spruce
#

the whole idea that "mobs are dying too fast" being a problem that needs solving

#

always confused me

slate crown
limber lion
#

So it is a common occurence

#

I'm not doing 25's just because I want my KB to last the entire duration

keen spruce
limber lion
#

Yeah but that still doesn't change the fact that it does not feel good to play if everything's dead before you get to do your damage

keen spruce
#

ig

limber lion
#

Doesn't matter in terms of timing the key

keen spruce
#

play pirate

limber lion
#

But does matter in enjoyment

pure comet
#

I think this questions has been asked a couple times but, how do I deal with shadow dance and action bars?

#

What are your guys setup with this spell

slate crown
#

You deal with them by not having action bars change

pure comet
#

I hated sub because of it and now we have it too

solemn mason
#

I just make it the same as the regular bar

slate crown
#

This is a bit of feedback for blizzard that I have voiced before that I think stealth bars are antiquated and push players towards setups that actively make things harder as you level up

#

Because you run into this situation

pure comet
#

So i put all stealth spells in my main action bar too

slate crown
#

You make both bars the same

#

And just always have access to every button

#

The only button swap is something like ambush / mutilate

half dawn
#

yo might be a troll question, but isnt the cruel dreamcarver gonna be bis offhand for high m+ assa keys?

pure comet
#

Does it have a macro?

slate crown
#

Which can be different between bars on the same button because they functionally replace each other

pure comet
#

That changes ambush automatically

#

Irc there is one

slate crown
#

You can use a macro, but you don’t strictly need to if you just put them on the same location

keen spruce
#

from the vault

pure comet
keen spruce
#

dreamcarver doesn't really do anything

pure comet
#

Thanks

half dawn
#

makes you live more which is more improtant than extra dam in high keys tho?

#

esp with how bugged cheat deat his atm

#

death*

keen spruce
#

!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
arctic socket
#

Dreamcaver is kinda niche if you go for the 10% leech buff or the “eeeh” chest death

keen spruce
#

none of these seems impactful enough

#

to give up 1% damage

half dawn
#

cheat death heals 20% randomly

#

because its bugged

pure comet
#

Also can you recommend me a m+ general build? Icy veins has like 3 of them

keen spruce
#

well sure if something is bugged and very strong

#

then ApuShrug

half dawn
#

10% leech under 50% is big

keen spruce
#

but it'll probably just get fixed

royal lantern
#

leech is the ultimate dps meme stat

half dawn
#

leech is insane

keen spruce
#

leech is not insane

#

leech is very sane

royal lantern
#

ye its insane when your healer is afk for 20sec and doesnt heal after avoidable dmg happend

wait, in those situations you are dead kekw

keen spruce
#

yeah i mean especially when you're talkin about getting a defensive dagger option for high keys

#

when the real barrier

#

is that half of the boss spells one shot your whole group

#

leech doesn't fix that

arctic socket
royal lantern
arctic socket
#

I don’t know where that tab is

#

So imma say it pops off

keen spruce
#

damn that leech go craazzzzyyyy

slate crown
# pure comet Also can you recommend me a m+ general build? Icy veins has like 3 of them

Go watch Whispyr’s latest video on Ramping in M+, it has several talent options and commentary. Wowhead has like 4 builds, but his comments in the video are good at explaining what the thought processes can be. Basically there is very little difference especially if you’re starting out. Assa is in kind of a unique spot where almost any build truly “works” in most situations. Just pick one you like the look of and run with it, then try another and another and see if you develop a preference

hardy dagger
#

Does the dagger work on raid bosses?

arctic socket
pure comet
keen spruce
#

that's with leech on my pants and belt too

#

leech don't fix this tho

image.png
half dawn
#

is that with leech dagger tho

#

the log

keen spruce
#

no

royal lantern
#

mate

keen spruce
#

but like

half dawn
#

ok so ?

royal lantern
#

how long are you under 50% hp

keen spruce
#

right i'm saying

royal lantern
#

like srsly

keen spruce
#

that healing is dogshit

royal lantern
#

do you play the game?

arctic socket
#

The leech is sorta of a meme

earnest remnant
#

play the cheatdeath one

#

bugged af

half dawn
#

every tick of the debuff in 3rd TOTT boss -> under 50% if cloak / dispel is on cd, every shatter on last EB boss -> under 50% even with feint

arctic socket
#

The chest death currently though isn’t bad

#

Like really nice

keen spruce
slate crown
#

Just general concept in like D3 the value of recovery stats like LPH are really low compared to actual DRs. Healing back damage, even at utterly insane levels (like on D3 having enough recovery to Heal yourself to full in under 2 seconds) still doesn’t matter if getting hit with a single mechanic kills you

half dawn
#

itll be fixed tho 😦

keen spruce
royal lantern
#

like, serious question in a non-snarky way, did you guys EVER look at your hp bars?

do you know how dmg taken in wow works?

you know how healers and healing mechanics work?

#

if the answer is yes

#

you know that dps leech is a meme

earnest remnant
arctic socket
royal lantern
#

like, cool, mechanic happend and dropped you to 30% hp, you think you leech yourself up over 20sevconds? lol you are dead if the healer doesnt top you in 3-4 seconds cus of passive dmg that happens

arctic socket
royal lantern
keen spruce
#

and that mechanic only drops you to 30% if you remember to feint

#

otherwise you just die from 100%

arctic socket
#

What does feint do

slate crown
#

Gives you false hope

keen spruce
#

gives you enormous DR

royal lantern
slate crown
#

Which feels warm and fuzzy as you embrace death

earnest remnant
#

it what you press when you think it works on a mechanic (it doesent) and then you die

keen spruce
#

no no

arctic socket
#

Don’t press feint it’s just a dps lost and a false hope

keen spruce
#

it works on everything now

#

you just don't get cheat death anymore

half dawn
#

Elu is pog

keen spruce
slate crown
arctic socket
#

You got me fucked up if you think imma not take chest death

keen spruce
#

cheat death leads to this

slate crown
#

Feint spends energy

keen spruce
#

you literally cannot run cheat death

#

at high keys lol

slate crown
#

Feint = 2pc stacks

#

Feint = dps button

royal lantern
# keen spruce

i always forget that it alsp makes evasion good since this Patch lol

arctic socket
earnest remnant
half dawn
#

use evasion instead of feint

earnest remnant
half dawn
#

and feint when evasion is cd ez

royal lantern
keen spruce
royal lantern
#

so easy

keen spruce
#

cuz i only had myth track ring and 2 trinkets

#

but still

#

that was a 25

half dawn
#

evasion off gcd

keen spruce
#

so you go to a 27 and it'll still happen

arctic socket
#

Did you try and health pot

oak tangle
#

what cheat death gonna do for you when you're a good player

arctic socket
#

Don’t forget to also bandages

half dawn
#

bro you should've used leech dagger would've saved you OMEGAKEKW

oak tangle
keen spruce
arctic socket
keen spruce
#

this is the real annoying one

#

cuz you just die

#

since it's being shot at random targets from outside the boss arena

oak tangle
#

i make jokes, because i run leech dagger, and it has honestly saved pulls before, but i am also not pushing above 21

slate crown
#

And there’s zero prep either

arctic socket
slate crown
#

Boss has no cast target

arctic socket
#

You didn’t press cloak

keen spruce
#

I didn't press cloak

slate crown
#

Just casts from outside, no target, it’s not predictable

keen spruce
#

on a mechanic

willow kite
#

Leech better than the cheat death effect?

keen spruce
#

that has no indicator

#

or cast bar

arctic socket
#

Press cloak and just guess

keen spruce
#

sorry i'm not a fkin jedi

half dawn
#

Spam Evasion and prayge

slate crown
arctic socket
#

When you see the bolts animation cloak instantly

keen spruce
#

I have unironically started layering feints

#

in p1 of blackrook

oak tangle
#

wait what dungeon ability is this

half dawn
#

based

keen spruce
#

then covering downtime with evasion

slate crown
arctic socket
#

I sometimes forget I have evasion

royal lantern
#

hero p1, use evasion->spamm feint->pray you transition fast enough into p2

oak tangle
#

that has a cast time

#

wtf?

arctic socket
#

Unless a mob is hitting me

slate crown
#

No cast target

royal lantern
#

thats all you can do lol

keen spruce
#

not the bolt volley

#

the p1 bolts

oak tangle
#

o

#

yeah those

#

kek

keen spruce
#

you just get Chris Kyle'd

half dawn
#

you need to play elu for EB as well right? because the mage boss doesn't do AOE instead its all targeted casts

keen spruce
arctic socket
#

@keen spruce just tell your dh to pop darkness

#

And pray

keen spruce
#

I play elu

oak tangle
#

does the mob throwing them not have a cast bar? it's just in a fried place you cant see?

keen spruce
#

for everything now

half dawn
#

so normal feint is useless

#

yeah

keen spruce
#

cuzz like

#

EB 3rd boss you need elus

half dawn
#

yep

keen spruce
#

Throne 1st and 3rd

#

BRH

#

last

royal lantern
#

not many bullshit random 1hit Kills this dungeon rotation

keen spruce
#

yeah

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i mean it's good everywhere

royal lantern
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better solutiom: dont play m+

keen spruce
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and since you have 2 charges

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and they give you tier stacks

royal lantern
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dont support thst shit mode

keen spruce
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like

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idk

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just run around spammin feint

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and be cozy

half dawn
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m+ hate is illegal

royal lantern
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nah, fuck m+

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failed game mode

arctic socket
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Actually illegal

keen spruce
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m+ very fun

half dawn
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🤔

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m+ is the best thing that happened to wow

royal lantern
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that content starved people gaslight themself into thinking they like it

arctic socket
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You’re kinda forced into m+ tho

keen spruce
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Tryan just a cranky fox RPing as a happy lizard

royal lantern
arctic socket
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If you don’t do m+ you fall off

slate crown
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M+? keys? Affixes? What are you talking about, wake up brother come on vent we are hanging out in redridge

half dawn
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bro you are "forced" to maybe do +17 keys for weekly if you're a mythic raider

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that's it :p

oak tangle
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i am tank rogue

arctic socket
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It’s weird not having a fourth affixe

grim jay
half dawn
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none of the hard shit happens at that level

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18 sorry

keen spruce
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no gotta be 20 to save on crests

arctic socket
oak tangle
grim jay
oak tangle
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
oak tangle
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oh shit a 20 is bigger vault

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my bad

half dawn
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idk how you can hate m+ but raid log just to spend 3 hours every night wiping on the same boss OMEGAKEKW

arctic socket
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You only spend 3 hours?

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Wiping

half dawn
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positive mindset OMEGAKEKW

slate crown
arctic socket
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I start council prog tomorrow

half dawn
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so you PVP?

keen spruce
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just kill the boss and you won't wipe for 3 hours

slate crown
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No I play other games

royal lantern
keen spruce
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"other games" just means Blood DK and affliction for me

half dawn
arctic socket
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I like playing RuneScape during prog

grim jay
arctic socket
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We got this

half dawn
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??

fallow glacier
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Where’s the best place for me to ask for a lil log review?

keen spruce
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here

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but if it's clear