assassination

[storm forum]

3 days is a lot to me

[dark token]

its not a lot to most hof guilds

[storm forum]

The best guild on my server is 3 days and they're sometimes HoF, at least they used to be.

[plain moon]

Better than the “best world guild that raids with only 1 priest and with majority Canadian raiders and only uses 1 hunter and we don’t 21 man raid lead and we don’t ptr and doesn’t do overtime”

[earnest remnant]

we are like wr 42 atm i think

[kind falcon]

Is there a sweetspot for Haste? I feel like my energy regen is pretty slow even when I pool

[dark token]

idk my sim wants like 5k haste

[potent python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[harsh anchor]

Make a weakaura to cover your stats when you open your character sheet

[plain moon]

That’s the beauty of wow. Got people who will raid 7 days a week and got people who will raid 1 day a week and both groups can be having fun

[kind falcon]

I use ShowMyStats and I have around 20ish%

[arctic socket]

@earnest remnant how much for a ce carry?

9m

[earnest remnant]

that would require us to have CE

a bit to early for that

[arctic socket]

Awe

[thorn fjord]

Aren’t there only 25 guilds with CE currently?

[earnest remnant]

11 i think

[plain moon]

I vaguely remember you talking about mirror on smolderon and it feels crafty was really good. Did I hallucinate this? Gonna try it later

[thorn fjord]

Or something close to that number

[storm forum]

One of these tiers I'm going to join a 3 or 4 day guild to see what it's like.

[plush jetty]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/game/hall-of-fame/mythic-raid/amirdrassil-the-dreams-hope

12

[thorn fjord]

Hit your self in the nuts with a hammer

Same feeling

[jaunty crystal]

definitely not 25 because my guild is wr26 and we have 3 pulls on fyrrak

[earnest remnant]

dunno, i dont play mirrior i have branch + ashes but mirrior is okay as well

[thorn fjord]

Oof

[plain moon]

Maybe I’m just crazy when I tired to search ur name and mirror I couldn’t find it

[storm forum]

I think the idea is that mirror is a 3 min and you're holding DM for an extra minute if you're getting simp'd for on damage amps.

[somber sparrow]

Assuming you've read the pins by now, but basically once you get 4 piece, it's a lot of chaining envenoms together, and once you run out of energy to do that, you pool until you can do the chain again (like once you're back up to about 80% of your energy or so)

[storm forum]

And 3 min trinket should be more powerful than a 2 min trinket

[lyric grail]

for who exactly does double wrafting sim better then sophic/wraft? can u link ur sim pls

[undone flame]

for plater can i make pet health bars smaller? like for bgs and such i can bare fight warlock and unholy dk cuz of the amount of pets

[opaque vale]

ty

[somber sparrow]

helped me to create a buff weakaura so i could make sure to envenom at 1 second. there's a bit of micro-pooling that way as well, you mut/ambush and only envenom as it gets to 1 second left. sometimes that means it ends up being about 3 seconds or more of waiting to envenom even during the chain

[manic quartz]

anyone got good weakaura to request pi so i dont whisper my priest everytime im not even in the same raid

[limber lion]

I just used Method Raid Tools

[lyric grail]

https://wago.io/h1cJuK-Ne

[limber lion]

There's a portion where you can track all major cooldowns and request any of them by clicking

[strange python]

bruh

[manic quartz]

what 😄

[strange python]

dont even what me

i haven't laughed that hard in a week

[limber lion]

I'm confused

[manic quartz]

same

[strange python]

wait

[limber lion]

what's so funny

[strange python]

you're literally whispering your priest - who isn't in your raid

PI ME

lol

and i'm the only one that finds this funny

[manic quartz]

no i mean, i made weakaura that whispers her but i dont want it to whisper her if im not in same raid, she currently is in the same raid i just dont want to bother her while im not in same raid group

[strange python]

like imagine you're the priest, just tryina to fill some work orders or something lol

lol yeah i'm with ya - i was just picturing the priest like doing random stuff

and getting whispers

[manic quartz]

couldnt figure out how to make the "load" section work with the name thingy, not really good making wa's

[strange python]

You could keep it simple if you wanted, and just focus your pi provider

and have it always whisper your focus i bet

[worthy heart]

what's the best time to recieve pi? meaning, certanly not at pull since we build up buffs and stuff before using cds

[strange python]

other than like replacing their name manually at the start of a raid/dungeon and putting their name in manually (which owuld be the least involved)

[eternal quail]

i have a list of random simpson quotes to send my priest for pi

[strange python]

someone's joke after wiping the other day was funny af and i meant to write it down, but i never did

now i forget it

[eternal quail]

to cover your kb, so like 9 seconds from pull with regular opener

[worthy heart]

ok and does the weakaura cover the fact that i'm using kingsbane or does it just say "hey pi me please"

[eternal quail]

better to link it with deathmark tbh

[crimson zephyr]

I'm so confused right now. Somehow only did 100k at tindral (I mean we wiped so probably would have gotten worse). My sim is 170k with raidbuffs. Now without raidbuffs at the raid puppet in stormwind I peak at some stupid number like 500k in the opener but then quickly drop down to 100k.

Here's what I do after the opener:

• Try to keep rupture and Garrote up (still miss it for a few seconds sometimes)
• Wait for KB + 2 shivs + tea while deathmark/vanish on cd
• Wait for DM + KB + 2 shivs + tea + vanish

also include branch and some vert pot in the above. Sure my rotation isn't the best yet and I do lots of stupid mistakes. I used to be around 80-90% of my sim, don't see why I can't get it now. o.O I'm a bit energy starved sometimes. I'm just talking single target here with the wowhead single target spec.

[eternal quail]

but iof they ACTUALLY press it when youre pressing KB you get full coverage, KB = 14 sec, pi = 15 sec, DM = 16 sec.

[worthy heart]

ok

[eternal quail]

should peak with dm kb vanish every 2 mins over 500k, then sit around 130 ISH outside cd's

[limber lion]

Just make sure to do the 2min and 1min combos correctly and pool correctly outside of the cd windows and you're chilling

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[royal lantern]

well, we killed smoldy yesterday and it made us WR 232

[half dawn]

this is some real rat shit

[eternal quail]

but remember to prio bleeds OVER env chain

[half dawn]

wait my shit wasnt updated kekw

[crimson zephyr]

thanks, did the 1min and 2min combo made sense above?

[limber lion]

Well "wait for cds" doesn't really say much, right

But yes you would use branch + dm + kingsbane + tea + vanish every 2 mins

[crimson zephyr]

actually the peak is higher but yeah I think I just fuck up the "non cd window". gonan read about pooling and all that and just practice ty

[limber lion]

and everything except for branch + dm + vanish at 1 mins

[thorn fjord]

Just make sure your Env dot never drops

Ezpz

[limber lion]

sus

[thorn fjord]

It’s your own little mini game

[crimson zephyr]

yeah makes sense

[crimson zephyr]

feels to me like there are 500 minigames 😄

[thorn fjord]

If you look at it as a flow chart it starts to make more sense

[worthy heart]

nah assa is both the easiest and the second hardest spec to play

outlaw is 1billion minigames every second pretty much

[crimson zephyr]

the pooling and envenom minigame is something I never actively followed thanks.

[molten prawn]

I level up my rogue as assassination as i want to play as assassination and i feel it is more complex than the other two specs

[eternal quail]

spamming an env after refreshing both rupture and garrote between env's and JUST missing the env window is super bad and somethig I had to train myself out of

[royal lantern]

all 3 have their things

its personal preference

[crimson zephyr]

😮

[royal lantern]

some struggle with assa

some with outlaw

some with sub

[eternal quail]

BM

[royal lantern]

[thorn fjord]

I spam Env essentially and just focus on making sure my dot doesn’t drop

You can get away with proper tea usage and such

[eternal quail]

and like 40% haste wat

[thorn fjord]

Nah I’m sitting at like 21%

[worthy heart]

also, another thing, do we thistle tea before deathmark?

[crimson zephyr]

ah you know, I started assa 1-2 weeks ago and every other day I go a bit deeper. will play out on the long run once I actually know what I'm doing. 😄

[royal lantern]

whisp did the math

you would need like 105% haste too have endless energy as assa

[eternal quail]

with 21% its doable on dummies

[crimson zephyr]

yeah I never really cared about the dot so far. so thanks for pointing all that out.

[eternal quail]

due to perminant ambush procs

[crimson zephyr]

17% haste bad?

[royal lantern]

stats dont matter

[worthy heart]

stats are fake

[thorn fjord]

Stats are birds

[crimson zephyr]

noice

[thorn fjord]

They don’t exist

[worthy heart]

only one that matter are avoidance and speed

[crimson zephyr]

birds are fake robots dude

[royal lantern]

they do, but they are drones

https://tenor.com/view/oakdice-runescape-gif-18004007

[eternal quail]

personally I dont like how it feels sub 20% haste but thats just me

[royal lantern]

mate

haste doesnt affect your gameplay

[thorn fjord]

That’s in your head

[crimson zephyr]

it's tru

[eternal quail]

for M+

[royal lantern]

in m+ even less lol

[thorn fjord]

Yeah you have endless energy in M+

[eternal quail]

weird that it feels different

[thorn fjord]

No way you feel any difference with higher or lower haste

Placebo effect baby

[eternal quail]

ive blind tested it with all the rings i have

randomize rings and I can tell 100% when im lower than 20%

very odd

[crimson zephyr]

What's the env dot called?

[thorn fjord]

Ummm

[worthy heart]

envenom

[thorn fjord]

@royal lantern help me out here

[eternal quail]

its a buff

[crimson zephyr]

ah the 30% apply poison buff?

[thorn fjord]

Is it just called envenom?

[worthy heart]

yes

[eternal quail]

ya

[thorn fjord]

There’s going to be times when it drops then you do the whole pool thing… it’s normal.. but if you stay cognizant of it you’ll have much more success

[royal lantern]

envenom lol

[worthy heart]

also build cp, never wait

then decide how to spend

[thorn fjord]

Yeah always have your CP ready during pool

[eternal quail]

I think the env buff has a different spell id than the actual env spender

[crimson zephyr]

Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

okay so 1) what does pandemic mean? 2) I should cast envenom when buff at 1s because then I proc the tier? How?

[worthy heart]

no it's the same lol

how lazy of blizzard

[runic hinge]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[thorn fjord]

I don’t do this on account of how long I’ve been playing sin and I’m an old stubborn mule

I send Env when I can send Env

It’s not optimal

But fuggit

[crimson zephyr]

ah that mechanic, never knew that's called pandemic

[frail nova]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[crimson zephyr]

thanks

[eternal quail]

yeah they're both 32645 lmao

[crimson zephyr]

yeah I'm working with the wowhead guide on the side as well.

[floral shoal]

How much value does Witherbark's Branch lose if I use it on cd but don't care at all about collecting balls mini game?

[eternal quail]

i used to be the same lol

[crimson zephyr]

gonna reread it I guess

[crimson zephyr]

can't you just press it 2s before and then just stand still if possible?

[thorn fjord]

If you’re an RNG lord then you’ll have no issues lol

[worthy heart]

the worst part for me, is to adapt to assa slow and steady raid rotation when i spent the hwole day slamming my keyboard as outlaw

and viceversa

[eternal quail]

^

[crimson zephyr]

thanks

[floral shoal]

Not running away from them, just doing mechanics instead of looking to collect them

[atomic swallow]

i hate running with demon hunter

[eternal quail]

if you dont move the buff falls off 14-15 sec after pressing

[atomic swallow]

stupid burst dps classes

[eternal quail]

so you wont get the last 1 - 2 ticks of kb

as you want to hit it with dm, you still have a global with shiv then another into kb

its super close

[worthy heart]

ok i just played the bark trinket right on a dummy and peaked at 750k with zero buffs or pot

[eternal quail]

yep

[worthy heart]

i need to play it right in raid too ok

that's why my logs are shit

[arctic socket]

How did you peak to 750k

[worthy heart]

do we let improved garrote full expire before reapplying?

[crimson zephyr]

you just press all buttons. I got that with 467ilvl

[arctic socket]

After pressing vanish?

[worthy heart]

number on details i mean, dps snapshot is probably higher

[eternal quail]

would be for sure

[worthy heart]

on peak i mean

[eternal quail]

i mean it sounds right for a dummie, this is from raid with all buffs pi + aug

[frail nova]

What is the preferred build right now for keys without the 4pc?

[timid talon]

Are there any sim comparisons for the helm enchant? do we know how strong it will be?

[eternal quail]

about 10k dps from the looks of it

[radiant sorrel]

is Tight Spender vs Improved Ambush simbait

[eternal quail]

single target, 5 min patchwork

[radiant sorrel]

idk how I gain 700dps just for the 3 energy I save from spender

[arctic socket]

Okay that makes a lot more sense

[runic hinge]

4 piece doesn’t affect the build you use

[eternal quail]

i lied its like half that, mb.

[quaint hull]

you can sim yourself right now with it.

[quaint hull]

depends on your haste stat.

[radiant sorrel]

now sims 700 dps gain

so will play it 😄

[quaint hull]

Good job

[grim briar]

hi y'all -- i'm helping a friend get started with wow/assassination and she's struggling a bit. can anyone recommend a build that is simplest to play for a beginner (even if it's not highest DPS)?

[urban rampart]

How is mirror vs branch vs sandglass?

I was told the branch sim is misleading bc it grabs 2 orbs and then the last before expiration which isn't really realistic to do...

[proven jasper]

its really not that hard to use branch…

[runic hinge]

No dance build on wowhead

[spice spire]

Hi sorry I’m sure this is a drag, but both the wowhead guide and icy veins have appropriate builds. Also if she needs help tracking her stuff, weak auras definitely help a ton

[grim briar]

cool thanks, will check it out!

[limber aurora]

trying out assassination
it is normal to not be gcd locked, yes?

[eternal heath]

Yes

[fleet atlas]

It does do that but it is very realistic to do. Just run straight to two of them and let the last one slowly float to u

[static glacier]

kinda is realistic to do on most fights

[grim briar]

is this also usable for m+?

[static glacier]

i can't imagine no dance sin in m+

feels like it'd be harder to play

I'd reccomend just making macros to group spells together for your friend

shadow dance + kingsbane

is one example

[spice spire]

I’m ngl.
For a beginner sin is going to be one of the harder classes to learn in m+

[grim briar]

gotcha, thanks, she tried outlaw first but the button spam was too fast lol -- thought sin might be more "cerebral"

[eternal quail]

dot class + burst ramp + melee, yeah.

make a cast sequence for like, shiv - dance - kb - garrote - env, so your friend can nail that every 1 min, then just add dm on the 2 min window

[urban rampart]

Talking about M+ where we have big pulls, have to run around kick, dodge, plus seeing the orbs through the massive shit on floor

[solar ocean]

As a fellow beginner I can say it's the most fun I've ever had (I've always played tank or healer). Work on the dummies to build muscle memory helps with memorizing the opener

[grim briar]

she seems to do well on dummies following hekili or hero rotation addons, but in an actual dungeon things are rough

[solar ocean]

I tried to start with hekili, I got rid of it because I ended up focusing too much on it and not on what was going on

[eternal quail]

to get numbers in m+ you need to know the pulls and wtf the tank is doing

[hallow token]

Re; Telu, in Everbloom, I feel like I need Acrobatic Strikes in order to not die or siphon heals because of all the puddles. Like interrupting a Toxic Bloom and helping burn down Telu is my job. But without Acrobatic Strikes, I can't maintain good uptime for damage. And I have Feint to run in and Kick the Toxic Bloom or whatever. It isn't fun. I'm hoping y'all may have ideas for Assassination accomplishing our 2 jobs re: Telu. Or, if no ideas for that, sympathy for dooming about not having Acorbatic Strikes.

[solar ocean]

also hekili will just say what to push and not take into account a phase change, movement, all that other stuff :/

[eternal quail]

if dps are dropping puddles on telu

kick them xd

[lucid rain]

you don't need acro

you just need people to not drop puddles on the bosses

[eternal quail]

puddle drop on that fight syncs with the bear charge

get the dps to move to the edge of the room when the timer for the charge goes off and the room stays clean

[lucid rain]

did almost all 20s first week without acro; you don't need it

[eternal quail]

as sin you can run off at 1, step back onto the boss and miss maybe 1 global of uptime.

I love that fight, the 2 target cleave is great fun

[static glacier]

in M+ mastery's value is higher than in raid

look at damage breakdown

so even if your branch utilisation isn't as optimal the trinket is very powerful regardless, personally speaking I rarely think about branch in keys, stuff like proper kicks / cc and focus take up my focus

[eternal quail]

yeah I've got mastery enchanted, crit-mastery and mastery-haste rings I only use in m+

I guess its temptest uptime?

[clever niche]

it's all the poisons and bleeds, doubly so if you're using the M+ arterial build

[static glacier]

yep pretty much, it's just all stuff that directly benefits from the mastery stat

that and since we have no energy issues in m+ aoe haste isn't as useful

[whole mason]

there are cases you'd like to consider other trinkets or planning a specific strategy for your branch, e.g. Yazma.

[plain onyx]

why is it so weird that we stop getting invited in keys +17 and up....😔

[nocturne marten]

Hi guys ! The rotation after the opener in AOE is storm+crimson + maintain bleeds as possible ? Do we need to mutilate/envenom sometimes to spread the 4p set ?

[hallow token]

I'd guess it is a hangover from last season where assassination damage didin't scale up well in m+? People may not have gotten the memo that Assassination is better now in s3 than it was in s2?

[plain onyx]

yeah seems like it.

[arctic socket]

The higher the key the more dps we do

It’s great

[plain onyx]

exactly

[arctic socket]

I will be so glad when I finish farming Nicholas so i can do 20+ keys

[static glacier]

short answer: yes, long answer: watch https://youtu.be/SaVYLApYN-M

[arctic socket]

I cba to farm 20 falls that dungeon is hard

[eternal quail]

I havent had issues getting into anything under 24's this season tbh, I guess shroud helps a little too

[static glacier]

keep in mind spreading rupture / garotte is higher prio than crimson tempest

[arctic socket]

What’s your ilvl and current io?

[eternal quail]

480, 3k

[arctic socket]

That’s why

Is 3k like 22s in every key?

[eternal quail]

bout that yeah

have a few 24's and 21's

[storm forum]

....

[obsidian ridge]

i got all keys 20 in fort and one depleted +18 fort and im 3k as well

with 2x 24 and 3x23 in tyra

[static glacier]

give or take yeah

my advice, avoid pugging, join a guild and run keys with guildies

[arctic socket]

Or run your own keys and honey pick your choices

[static glacier]

climbing with pugs is the biggest gamble imo

atleast I know the clowns in my own guild

and who can be relied on to carry what

being on disc for cc calls / kicks etc helps

and tank can pull around dps cds more effectively

[plain onyx]

how much ilvl a character should be in order to get invited to +17's and 18's ?

[tall basalt]

as a casual ive been able to climb to +13s pugging this season

[static glacier]

idk, back when I did them maybe 450-460? wouldn't be surprised if they expect 465+ now.

[plain onyx]

i'm 474, 2.4k and i still getting declined on 17's

[nocturne marten]

Ty sir !

[arctic socket]

Lmao

Welcome to lfg brother

[plain onyx]

yeah tell me about it

god damn metas

[static glacier]

rogue IS meta

if rogue isn't meta now idk what to say

[tall basalt]

double demon hunter

[royal lantern]

it isnt

for pugs only 5 specs are meta, and rogue is not 1 of them

its dh/hunter/mw/disc/dh tank

and what THEY play as the 5th spec in the dungeon

[tall basalt]

idk maybe im just bad but every DH i see does 4-5x my damage on trash lol

[plain onyx]

sometimes i change spec to outlaw in order to get invited and then when i do i change back to assa sexy huh?

[keen spruce]

veng/havoc/aug

[royal lantern]

nah, DH is just mad OP rn

[keen spruce]

only locked in choices

[static glacier]

homie

[keen spruce]

in large pugs

[hollow olive]

Well, on higher keys. 3 dps spots, aug + dh is hardlocked

[static glacier]

compare classes running 20s and up, then shift it to 25 and up

[keen spruce]

maybe blood

instead of veng

[static glacier]

we are overrepresented at the top keys

[keen spruce]

sometimes

[static glacier]

aka META

[keen spruce]

but rogue is certainly competative for that last spot

[royal lantern]

always has been

pug meta and real meta is also different

but ye, its just

"pug meta" is dh tank/dh dps/hunter dps/mw or disc heal, and then last spot what they play

[static glacier]

I see rogues on frontpage rio

[royal lantern]

aka

[static glacier]

this is a far cry from last season

[plain onyx]

btw, which is the best/fastest dungeon to farm for aspects ?

[normal mist]

fall

zugzug

[fleet atlas]

Ppl are just gonna take the best player as far as they can tell so sure 274, 2.4k io can do a 17 but why not take a 2.8k 279 that qued?

[keen spruce]

pug meta is rdruid/MW because disc priests can't be trusted to play well

[craggy oak]

Multiple seasons where rogue is least played class in m+, but had the most players achieve title on it, wouldn't use that to define meta

[plain onyx]

fall it is

[keen spruce]

and people are pretty down bad on hunters now

cuz they're hunters

[craggy oak]

And meta is relative we talking about what's good, or what's the best

[static glacier]

there's a VERY strong argument for rogue being undoubtedly meta in s1-2 dragonflight

[craggy oak]

Define meta

[static glacier]

the issue is class has had poor representation in general across the playerbase

[craggy oak]

Good or the best

[static glacier]

it's the same as windwalker

[craggy oak]

Then I can either agree or disagree

[static glacier]

meta to me is good enough to be a best comp contender

[royal lantern]

rogue tends too be strong in m+ but will always be on the lower overall played classes simply cus its a class that not many play

[static glacier]

as in you'd never be surprised to see the class in a push group

[royal lantern]

how often do you want us too repeat that pug meta doesnt mean real meta lol

we ALL KNOW that rogue is strong af in m+ rn lol

[static glacier]

if the class churns out a high rate of title doesn't that prove it is meta?

[royal lantern]

everyone knows

but for the quick shity pug run its not a first choice overall

when dh/hunter exist

[static glacier]

pug meta is a copy of what people think is the real meta but it's skewed towards being narrow?

[royal lantern]

and who cares about shity pug runs in the end

[royal lantern]

yes lol

[keen spruce]

I mean havoc is locked in

but like

hutner/rogue/demo/aug/enh

all competative

[static glacier]

thing is I was answering if rogue is meta, im not going to get into pug meta since I don't pug

[keen spruce]

in mid level pugs

and pretty equally represented from what i've seen

[static glacier]

I'm kinda clueless about pug meta atm.

[keen spruce]

if anything

hunter is kind of falling out of favor

cuz they die

same with enh

[static glacier]

enh provide a lot of control

[tall basalt]

hunter and enh both bring lust though, but enh does have shitty defensives

[keen spruce]

same reason pirate stonks are rising

over assas

[static glacier]

I think imo enh > hunter

[eternal quail]

my fav comp is disc, demo, vengence, aug, me on sin. - swapping the vengence to a prot pally and the demo to a havoc is also good.

[keen spruce]

you're getting lust from aug 90% of the time

[static glacier]

then again the enh I play with is cracked as a player

[royal lantern]

funfact

hunter is quiet tanky since DF

they all just suck so hard that they die all the time lmao

[tall basalt]

in m+ tho? ive seen maybe like 10 augs in my runs

[static glacier]

they've been getting steady passive defensive buffs but I'd still say they're not tanky just not squishiest class anymore

[tall basalt]

most of the lusts ive seen in m+ are mages or bm hunters

[keen spruce]

once you're like.. north of 22s

augs start to show up more

[eternal quail]

^

[tall basalt]

yeah true, im at 13s atm

so aug gets less value

[lusty nacelle]

what spec should I use for M+ on Tyrannical weeks? Straight ST, standard M+, or some kind of hybrid?

[keen spruce]

but people are kind of bad at evaluating value without just starting at details

and since aug hooks are broken

people think they're bad

I fell into the same trap

[static glacier]

depends on what your group needs / your aims and key level.

[royal lantern]

mate

hunter has the 2nd highest DPS hp pool after warlock, over 910k for a 480 hunter which is massive

2dr deffensives

1 instant heal

1 immunity with a lower cd and long duration

Hunter is FAR from squishy

look at heal priest

THATS squishy

when your only deffensive is fucking desperate prayer

[hollow olive]

I’m only doing 24s but 9 of 10 groups, have an aug and havoc.

[storm forum]

hey, they have some.... 10% DRs....

[keen spruce]

yeah Veng/Aug/Havoc

is the only real solidified lock ins

in higher pugs/groups

then MW/resto dudu/disc

[static glacier]

what the fuck are you saying tryan?

[keen spruce]

and the last dps slot is pretty variable

[static glacier]

in what world does hunter have a bigger hp pool than dks / ret?

[eternal quail]

I like demo over havoc in some spots, opens up space with the bres locks bring + extra ranged baits if needed

[keen spruce]

mage/rogue/warlock/hunter/enh all pretty good

[eternal quail]

• stones

[tall basalt]

is there much fire mage at higher keys? i havent seen a single one despite tier lists putting them really high, but ive seen a shit ton of frost mage

[keen spruce]

not bringing a havoc is kinda wild rn

they're so busted

like TBH

veng/hav/hav/aug/rdruid

is like

debatably a very good comp

lol

[static glacier]

priests are a strange case, proactive flash heal + fade give them incredibly high uptime on 20% dr, but beyond that they do struggle if that isn't enough.

then again fort does inflate the group's tankiness.

[keen spruce]

mage is little undertuned

i've played with a couple of good frost mages

this week

[static glacier]

boomkin is squishiest spec atm, I don't think it's even close

[keen spruce]

yeah chickens are pretty vulnerable

but they still get to bear all of the big one shots

[static glacier]

after that it's a big muddled between shaman, priest, hunter, maybe arms

depends on dmg type

[royal lantern]

DONT LET THEM GASLIGHT YOU

[keen spruce]

they'll still be the main characters come 10.5 i know

[tall basalt]

idk ive seen frost mages do some cracked damage

[hollow olive]

The second highest Rio dps in the world right now is a fire mage

[tall basalt]

esp in tott

[static glacier]

this is like the myth that rogue can be bad at m+

[shy meteor]

I'm still rocking an irideus fragment cause bad trinket luck - is there a time in KB to press it? Maybe macro it with vanish so the last two ticks are empowered?

[dark token]

are you sin rogues doing accelerated opener on tindral

so that ur kingsbane lines up better for 2nd roots

[royal lantern]

didnt pull him yet, but oxi told me you do it ye

[dark token]

ive seen people skip envenom

or skip rupture

which is correct for the accel opener

[royal lantern]

skip rupture

and do rupture inside dance instead

so its

[eternal quail]

sadge

[royal lantern]

garrote->snd->build cp for envenom->envenom->dm->shiv->normal kb, but applying rupture during the dance

[dark token]

garrote snd ambush mut envenom deathmark shiv KB garrote envenom ambush rupture

ye?

[royal lantern]

ye

[dark token]

maybe i just take a 4cp ambush instead of going to 5 cp before envenom

for super accelerated

[willow grotto]

normal KB ? no SD+KB ?

[thorn fjord]

4cp means env buff drops tho

[royal lantern]

mate

[dark token]

yes it does

[royal lantern]

i macro sd and kb

they are the same for me lol

[dark token]

but ur trying to do a faster opener

on purpose

[worthy heart]

is the neck from the 3rd boss BIS for assa? or is any neck from m+ better?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[dark token]

to line it up with mechs

so i think 4cp envenom is fine?

[willow grotto]

5cp envenom at pull

[thorn fjord]

i cant really tell how "bad" it is

Been trying to make sure my initital env is 5 or higher

so i can keep buff up but im sure its negligable

[willow grotto]

because at 4, envenom buff fall off

[dark token]

yes i do this normally

but in accelerated opener

i dont think u do it

it costs u 1 global

[thorn fjord]

I honestly dont even know what fights you'd want the accelarated opener

[dark token]

guaranteed

[willow grotto]

tindral

[royal lantern]

tindral

[dark token]

larodar

igira

[royal lantern]

ye larodar if you wanna pad

[thorn fjord]

Why igira?

[dark token]

spears pop early

u want ur kb rolling already when they drop

[thorn fjord]

Doing normal opener on Lar has been KBing with adds on top of him already tho

[dark token]

max dmg

[thorn fjord]

ah ok that makes sense

Right now on Larodar prog im so far ahead on dmg than the rest of the group lol

Nymue also... I was like 40k ahead of the 2nd place dps

was insane

[proven jasper]

timing on nymue is pog

[royal lantern]

nymue is pog

best fight this tier

[eternal quail]

I hate nymue's timers

[rotund oak]

29 falls for the sandglass trinket

not that much

[static glacier]

nymue is fun but idk if i'd say best

[proven jasper]

ive done like 25 and got the trinket no dagger still

[dark token]

sin rogue pogging he is ahead of the rest of the raid

[static glacier]

smolderon is actually really fun

[rotund oak]

was almost positive ild never get it

[proven jasper]

gnarlroot gaming

[eternal quail]

do you accel opener on her so you don't waste kb dmg or have to desync kb and dm?

[royal lantern]

nah, had too play fucking sub there

allready makes it shit

[proven jasper]

L

[blazing jewel]

Tryan loves sub

[molten prawn]

should i use poisoned knife at my main cast bar? i havent understood how we use it.. sorry for asking this but im new to assa

[dark token]

wdym

waste kb dmg

[livid ruin]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[dark token]

u just play nymue normally

[proven jasper]

yeah u play nymue normal

[dark token]

kingsbane intermission

[proven jasper]

everything should line up

[south wing]

wdym at your main cast bar

[royal lantern]

i didnt had it bound for 8 years now

[molten prawn]

i mean as my main spell at my rotation.. i just cant find any use apart from taging a mob at pve content..

[eternal quail]

so if i regular open I find for my first non dm kb at like 1 min, I lose some of it into the phase change, or I hold the 1 min non dm kb for 20 sec, throw it into the add and have to wait 20 sec after 2 min dm comes up for kb to be back

[molten prawn]

yeah i try to understand the use

[dark token]

bruh

you dont kb her into the phase change

u use it on intermission add

[proven jasper]

xD

[eternal quail]

thats what im saying

so you lose the 20 sec

[dark token]

its not lose

its just shifted

[proven jasper]

it takes like 3 seconds

to get to the add

[eternal quail]

that what i meant by desync the timers

sit on dm for 20 sec

and depending on the fight time, you could potentially lose an additional non dm kb, due to not pressing for 20 sec.

[dark token]

u dont unless ur guild is like 486

[eternal quail]

would an acell open mean you can throw second kb into her before the transition?

ive just not tried it

[dark token]

no

[thorn fjord]

Nah you'll lose more than half of it

or atleast half

[eternal quail]

damn

cos then you get your 3rd kb with the second dm window right as adds die, back into her again.

[thorn fjord]

Then be a wet noodle on the adds

[eternal quail]

oh yeah of course, this is a f everyone else they can do adds, lets find optimal dps

[runic terrace]

Do we play council with IC?! Wowhead-Talents are 2 different setups (once with and once without)

[warm parcel]

@dark token been doing this on tswift

lets you hit good kb before feathers, for addset and for shield insta

[blazing jewel]

ER

[earnest remnant]

er

[warm parcel]

Id rather er and hit boss

than not er and afk during roots

[blazing jewel]

But why spec er

[eternal quail]

my guilds been doing this on tswift, fucking discord bot.

[dark token]

ER

[warm parcel]

long arms

[dark token]

ok so u skip envenom

rather than rupture

some people skip rupture

[warm parcel]

cant see any realistic difference tbh

edi is doing the "regular"

[dark token]

ye idk

[earnest remnant]

Skipping rupture should be the best output wise

[stable storm]

what build we running this week?

[warm parcel]

hitting the cps is kinda kringe without dance

so dno how skipping rupture would play with variation

[sturdy sorrel]

is there any faq or google doc for fun rogue tech in M+?

[worthy heart]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[drowsy flame]

nice just got a nick of time sims pretty well

[nova badge]

Would also like to know if this is a thing

[livid ruin]

Which of the bosses on council are you guys starting with?

Focus one or spread dots on urctos and aerwynn before cd's?

[shy meteor]

Does anyone know if PI and Aug is better on an unholy or an assassination rogue?

Currently just getting Aug and no pi since my raid only has one priest

[drowsy flame]

blood mallet should have the pi sim

[blazing jewel]

Drop dashing scoundrel and spec carnage

And open on anything but the bear

[shy meteor]

Yeah unholy sims better for st, but was wondering if there was any weird interactions with Aug buffs

[spice spire]

!aug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue abilities not being reattributed to Augs in logs:

Blade flurry Shadow Blades Sanguine Blades

Poisoned Edges Sudden Demise Shadow Eviscerate

More information

[slim hamlet]

!atro

[prisma monolith]

Atrophic poison in Raid: link

[rocky ruin]

I think even bm get a little more dps than us

But no by much

[wild horizon]

Hi, do you know if there's a way to check parried stuff on logs ?

[alpine nebula]

question on sanguine blades: I assume it's a good use of energy since we take it, so then what does stretching out envenom windows do while above 50% energy? Alternatively if this is just to spend some excess energy (like during lust+tea in the opener) perhaps the optimal pool is to 50% energy?

[spice spire]

There is

You can see in the damage done tab and move to list them out

[wild horizon]

Thanks

[half dawn]

Nyume is like

Floor = 🔵

Lasers = 🔵

Floor barriers = 🔵

dont hit those btw 🙂

[urban rampart]

Do you pop deathmark on gnarlroot on pull or on first burn?

[slim hamlet]

both

[livid ruin]

You should have it back by burn

[urban rampart]

Ok

[runic hinge]

Cannot see the floor barriers at all. Might be colorblind

[half dawn]

they are hard af to see seriously

this is a problem in this game since like forever but blizzard just won't fucking change their approach to encounter artstyle design

[static bobcat]

what is the preferred third crafting piece if I wanted to throw on a flavor pocket? My guess is ring, but wanted to see if anyone had a better suggestion

[stable storm]

what build are you all playing this week? for m+

[urban rampart]

What buff should we go for on cruel dreamcarver?

[runic hinge]

Critter

[frigid pilot]

Beast Ofcourse 10% leech below 50% hp is nuts

[quiet oar]

Or mechincal

Because cheat death is bugged

[vital ingot]

Yo any tips for using branch on mythic tindrl, first few pulls felt wild trying to find the balls/ pick em up while dodging the fire beams and blue swirlies

Haven't got an ashes from smolderon

Was doing the faster opener so I'd have more time to get balls before we had to move

and was always max ranging at the start so the back ball spawns far away

was just wondering if anyone had any other tips

[whole mason]

CD is bugged perfect for some mild continuous damage

[dark token]

FREeDOME

[humble kayak]

is there a WA for branch?

[unique sorrel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[unique sorrel]

under the LE one

[normal mist]

On Gnarl, should we just pop everything on pull? I cant quite remember if we have DM for vuln phase

[stiff pivot]

for me its usually about 2m

you could always check lorrgs.io

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/gnarlroot

[quiet oar]

That sounds like really huge nerfs

[arctic current]

thank god the lag spike is gone at the start

[sick fern]

Hello o/ This talent Loadout is good for m+? 😄

[dark token]

ok @warm parcel ur rigght

acro helps so much

im going sub

rather than play sin acro

maybe not necessary with nerfs tho

[zinc rover]

hey, anyone know of a weak aura that screams in your face that you don't have poisons on lol?

[urban rampart]

On council do we just use the raid build still? And what is our focus do we spread poisons on all 3 targets or just focus on the 2 grouped by melee?

[quiet oar]

Use spatter

And if your Tanks are good

You could use carnage

[dawn jolt]

does anyone know the best buff from Igria dagger? I've been using the 10% leech under 50%

[quiet oar]

This one or mechincal

[deft vault]

leech cheat death and movespeed are all good

[quiet oar]

Because it gives you cheat death and its bugged

[whole mason]

good tank = carnage and random positioning = SBS

[quiet oar]

So you get the chest death more Times than intented

[whole mason]

if a lot of mild and periodic damage, CD would be perfect; otherwise beasts

[zinc rover]

Also, does anyone know why in a pack of +4 mobs, whenever I use fan of knives, I only get 1 or 2 combo points max sometimes?

[spice surge]

Its only 1 cp and then 1 extra per crit

So if you dont crit anything, youll get 1 cp

[zinc rover]

Oooo makes sense

Thank you

[slate crown]

!wa I don't have standalone ones, I know all the packs below have some kind of reminder about missing poisons

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[quiet oar]

LEs weakauras are bis

[zinc rover]

Thanks a lot!

[scarlet sable]

Nick of time is Fall right

[quiet oar]

Yes

[static bobcat]

what is the preferred third crafting piece if I wanted to throw on a flavor pocket? My guess is ring, but wanted to see if anyone had a better suggestion

[quiet oar]

Ring

Free Socket

But to ne safe

Sim it on raidbots

[waxen oyster]

usually ring is safe unless you lucked out and got 2 socket ones from keys/vault

[grizzled egret]

is there a sheet for BiS gear for m+ and ST or is WoWHead just fine?

[waxen oyster]

there really isnt bis besides having nick of time and an ashes/branch

[grizzled egret]

damn cuz i dont rly know what belt, cloak and legs to use

[waxen oyster]

depends on your loot luck....

[primal oasis]

So is there any particular buff we want with cruel dreamcarver?

[waxen oyster]

i probably would have crafted toxic patch on bracers if i didnt pull socket bracers week 1

[feral mason]

beast or mech is nice i guess

all small util so doesnt really matter too much

[normal mist]

On larodar HC, where's the best use of BL?

p2?

[errant hawk]

hi guys, someone can explain to me what is the prio with the vanish? Refresh the garrote/rupture or use it on the last 3sec of kingsbane?

[small garnet]

I feel like my st dmg in m+ is giga poop

[jade carbon]

Nope, many top players play this build in tyranical high keys becouse need much damage on bosses. This build focus on ST and some cleave talents like caustic and carnage. For m+ u have 2 builds - hybrid and arteliar precision

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[small garnet]

Is there maybe a m+ build where you sac some aoe dmg for more st

[waxen oyster]

the build just mentioned

effectively raid build with IC and caustic

[urban rampart]

Smolderon do we using deathmark on pull?

[runic hinge]

It’s both

[eternal quail]

aww thank fuck

[runic hinge]

Checkout https://lorrgs.io

[waxen oyster]

smold is spec sub

[agile geode]

guys

is pip bis?

better than sandglass'

?

[waxen oyster]

what ilvl

[agile geode]

if i have branch 483

489

[runic hinge]

Depends on what your sim says

[agile geode]

489 pip

[waxen oyster]

you're gonna have to sim it

really varies by your stats

brand better for long fights

although pip prob never gonna beat sandglass for me due to low haste on gear

[agile geode]

im simming it

[polar sinew]

hi i would like to know what i have to craft as assa m+/raid to put the thing giving "food buff for 2 hours and after death" while im already geared with toxic boots and wrist with toxic patch.
Should i go for a crafted ring or the belt to add this thing ?

[river cipher]

Got denied from a key for being Sin instead of outlaw after having done a key with the holder. Man didnt even have the courtesy to spare me from the bs reason lmfao

"I really prefer the haste outlaw gives"

[muted haven]

is it better to have nick of time 483 on mainhand or 489 ilvl raid dagger

[river cipher]

Sim. Its a minor upgrade for me. 0.2%

Overwritten by timestrike variance tbh

[harsh anchor]

Robot will tell you also, higher ilvl main hand is typically a gain

[abstract thunder]

guys what is the best embellishment ?

[muted haven]

ty ty

[urban rampart]

Dam I just rolled a fucking 1 on ashes when I finally see it dropped

[river cipher]

I dunno where yall are getting this info that ashes is bis. I dont have one but droptimizer puts it at a loss at equal ilvl

[harsh anchor]

Swear oath to the branch and never look back to the ashes

Ashes is easier to use

[waxen oyster]

ashes and branch are comparable

but ashes takes less brain

[river cipher]

Oh ok I thought people used them together

[waxen oyster]

....?

no

[royal lantern]

you dont lol

[waxen oyster]

not sure where you got this info from

[river cipher]

Luckily it was a thought

[abstract thunder]

? 🙂

[harsh anchor]

Press and win vs calculate with your giga brain what angular velocity to grab your balls in a timed sequence equivalent to the Fibonacci sequence in terms of your CDs

[harsh anchor]

Pins, also Toxic Thorn

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear#embellishments

[river cipher]

Mastery embel go brrrrr

[waxen oyster]

mastery is only m+

[river cipher]

Im aware

[waxen oyster]

kinda troll to craft this early tbh

[fervent bronze]

Does ashes need to be timed at all for the last tick of kingsbane or just macro to death mark and call it a day?

[warped pilot]

What is mechanical in DF for the dagger buff?

Fastest thing to grab?

[waxen oyster]

training dummies

[warped pilot]

cool, ty

[stable storm]

is the cleave build good this week? at around 18s 20s

[waxen oyster]

you can get beast by the mobs near the valdrakken fountain

[harsh anchor]

Iirc, 11s remaining on KB

[icy acorn]

thats what i do this week and its working pretty good

[balmy condor]

if you want to be lazy with it you would macro to kb

its slightly worse

[river cipher]

People can craft what they'd like

[stable storm]

okay man cheers

[icy acorn]

but just as all builds go, its really just a matter of teamcomp and how tank pulls the groups.

[stable storm]

when i once talked about having xuen and serenity macroed on the monk discord they actually sent someone to my house to talk to me

[icy acorn]

dont expect to be a huge addgroup gamer with this build

[stable storm]

dont macro such important spells together

[waxen oyster]

yeah but its pretty bad when we only have 3 crafts and spending on something that works for one spec in form of content

[waxen oyster]

arrest this guy

[harsh anchor]

Wdym I macro dm, sd and vanish all together

[icy acorn]

just craft a cape that basicly has the same stats as the m+ bis one

3 ilvls on cape do not matter imo

[waxen oyster]

there is no "bis" cape

[stable storm]

i changed it, evolved to purple parse, and did a bit of mythic last tier
peak of serenity 1000% goated people

[minor mortar]

Hey is there any macros that could possibly help me out?

[waxen oyster]

is there a macro that prevents ww from having like 20000 bugs per tier

[river cipher]

Not at all. Its what I did. Embell doesn't make or break raid dps

[icy acorn]

there might not be the "bis" cape but its just as good as the better ones

[waxen oyster]

smoldy cape might be "bis" just because its the most realistic 489

without praying for vault rng

[stable storm]

mouseover shadowstep
focus kick/kidney

[icy acorn]

unless youre a giga min maxer that wants every single number on his quicksim

[stable storm]

and if you use cold blood you can kinda macro that? to some ability

[waxen oyster]

but again what stats you'd want on cape really depends on your other pieces

[agile geode]

483 sandglass is better than pip 489 for me

by 400 dps

even with howling haste runes

[waxen oyster]

so you have low haste

[icy acorn]

btw. do some of you guys have some weird sims sometimes too? like i sim top gear or droptimizier, get super weird results - sim again and its normal again?

[agile geode]

19%

with haste runes

[waxen oyster]

gonna pretend i know whats that value

robot good though

[normal mist]

Question about pip trinket, it droped in my run, and between evryone, i'm the one getting more dps out of it FOR dungeonslice, but my hunter has 2 ON USE trinkets, should i just pass it to her?

(HC trinket, max 483)

[lucid rain]

depends how much you like them

[normal mist]

... its my gf ._.

[balmy condor]

guess you're not getting pips then

[normal mist]

For some reason her dungeon slice only sims it has a 200 dps upgrade, vs mine 3k

and she has 2 on use trinkets (branch + mirror)

[balmy condor]

double on use probably more fine for a bm hunter than it would be on assa rogue in theory

[waxen oyster]

well that answers it

[solid mica]

Tell her its 0 dps if you cant live dungeon one shots

[normal mist]

LOL

[umbral pike]

I see a lot using nick of time from Dawn, is that just the "best" dagger?

[waxen oyster]

it has a free stat not on the budget

that gives more damage

[umbral pike]

hmm ok

so I use double nick of time?

[waxen oyster]

a 489 dreamcarver wins though

or any 489 in mh often will

[fallow glacier]

What's the best place to ask for a log review?

[river cipher]

Get yourself an hourglass and forget about pips

Unless we talking mythic in which case rip

[frozen iris]

How much damage should the initial kingsbane opener doing. Ive seen quite a bit of variance on it. Sometimes its 1.6 0- 2.7 million

[waxen oyster]

varies on your gear

are you getting PI, lust, etc

[river cipher]

When you dont get that 1m crit

[waxen oyster]

technically larodar your biggest kb is the last one

during execute with lust

[frozen iris]

On a dummy

[waxen oyster]

it'll vary on your weapon procs and crits

[river cipher]

You can sim that tho. Change from patchwork to dummy

[waxen oyster]

but 2m is prob normal

[normal mist]

i do, 483 hehe

[waxen oyster]

you can also import notter's kingsbane wa if you want to see how "well" you did a kingsbane

[frozen iris]

I do have it. I just dont understand how it works besides the shiv and envenom uptime. The multiplication above them that changes colors

[waxen oyster]

tells you when to tea

and vanish too

[runic hinge]

That’s how many poison procs you got

Color is just flavor

[frozen iris]

Gotcha. I was assuming the orange was letting you know how well you were doing.

[runic hinge]

Technically yes. The better you keep up envenom the more procs you’re likely to get

[spice gull]

So i'm really fucking up the ass rotation I believe

very, very, frusterating

from tanks pulling boss when I have no cd's, to figuring out how to actually play around boss mechanics during a kb window, just annoying

what do u do on rezan fear during kb? Lose ur damage ig

or yazma soulrend? Lose all of your damage yet again

[waxen oyster]

cloak it

[runic hinge]

I cloak first fear

[eternal quail]

same

[spice gull]

do u pre cloak?

[tender osprey]

oops

[runic hinge]

And yazma I’ll hold cds until after first soulrend

[eternal quail]

cant cloak while feared

so yes?

[runic hinge]

Cloak when he starts casting it

[spice gull]

it's just sad, balance druid feels just way smoother to play

you don't focus 100% of your gameplay around 2 CD's

[eternal quail]

I'll wait till 1 sec, step to the healer, get hit with soulrend, hit the 4 adds with 4+ point crimson then step back to boss after one global, ezpz

[waxen oyster]

if i have a shaman in group

tremor totem

[runic hinge]

Yeah sometimes I try that and then I step to yazma and uhh it doesn’t work out

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[eternal quail]

i forgot to add then i int on the spider i cant see thats under the boss

[runic hinge]

I love inting to spiders tbh

Floor pov is the best for that fight

[waxen oyster]

yazma is a great boss

ranged not knowing how to move

[eternal quail]

suck my dic non tyran

[normal mist]

Tswift HC progress

feels good

[eternal quail]

my knees are pretty messed up after tyran Yazma tbh

[eternal quail]

my last h tswift kill parse was a 20 for ilvl and still 35k ahead of second, feels bad

[stable storm]

ok bro just

just played the cleave build on everbloom 18

im never playing any otehr build at 18+

this shit way too smooth and comfy to play

[old halo]

wut cleve build, aerterial shock build?

[stable storm]

basically shock without crimson tempest

[eternal quail]

shock this week for sure, so good vs raging

[old halo]

wut you take instead of CT

[shell quail]

Improved envenom

J/k I dunno

[waxen oyster]

i could have sworn cleave build is the raid build

with ic and spatter

[normal mist]

thats the cleave build

[stable storm]

oh ty

[waxen oyster]

yeah thats literally the raid build

[stable storm]

yea man its just

[waxen oyster]

for council

[stable storm]

its too fun

i play bone spike on council 🤓

[old halo]

oh its the council build

[waxen oyster]

ig it takes tight spender over imp ambush

too

[eternal quail]

drop Dashing Scoundrel for council yeah

[old halo]

sudden demise so good tho

[waxen oyster]

its a good build but only mob you get good value kb on is the abominations

esp on tyran

[restive spire]

Ah fuckin nuts, I haven't played since 10.0 and I knew this day would come, garrote and dance were on the same key for me for 4 years and now I have to use both

[woeful meteor]

was that a +2 or what

[waxen oyster]

tott?

[balmy condor]

ozumat

surely

[old halo]

22 AD

[woeful meteor]

[balmy condor]

cap

[flat sundial]

anyone taking tempest on gnarlroot?

[balmy condor]

no

[woeful meteor]

mans pressing dance and vanish when mobs are at 3%

[woeful meteor]

no

[lethal mantle]

people running SD AND CT in m+ ?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

its good

[lethal mantle]

WILD

[spice gull]

So I dont understand prio on aoe

[eternal quail]

mans spending 300 combopoints on rupture+tempest with 10% mob hp

[waxen oyster]

whispyr has an entire video on aoe

[spice gull]

do we want to garrote everyone first, then tempest or fan until rupture and get spatter going before tempest?

[flat sundial]

galeaGGTV's guide i watched today was good too

[old halo]

just spread garrotes and ruptures, let DHs do their damage then shiv with aerterial shock build

[stable storm]

whispyr do we lose much dps by playing the cleave build in fortified weeks?

provided keys are high enough

[balmy condor]

play it and find out

[stable storm]

:>

man

1 dungeon with that build

[lethal mantle]

The rotation is spend the first 6-8 GDC's getting bleeds up, and then have fear sigil wipe them off the targets while you funnel dmg into one mob

[stable storm]

already goated in my eyes

[balmy condor]

sounds like you should play it then

[lethal mantle]

true power

[stable storm]

in lower keys, with the execute thing, by the time i have everything up, shits already dead

and i lose like 5 seconds of kingsbane

[woeful meteor]

just play whatever the fuck you want keys arent depleted cause your build does 3% less sim dps

[stable storm]

absolutely man its amazing

[waxen oyster]

if its low keys

my brain only understands BTE

[stable storm]

does it actually only sim 3% less?

[woeful meteor]

idk could be 10% and point still stands

[waxen oyster]

lower keys getting 2/3 chested regardless

[stable storm]

i mean i'll play what i find most fun and comfortable, but for forti in 20s ish im not gonna be a liability when i could be doing more dmg

[waxen oyster]

carry 2 shit dps alts if you want mobs to live longer idk

shouldnt cleave build be better on fortified anyway

[eternal quail]

dps meter be like sin -> vengence -> rdruid -> guildy -> guildy

[waxen oyster]

basically

[stable storm]

for higher keys its apparently better on everythinbg

[waxen oyster]

ig play with one rat+1 aug

if you want your peen to look the biggest

[stable storm]

ill take a decent aoe + a prio target dying fast without wasting all of kb's uptime

over a bit more overall (INFLATED PADDED DAMAGE)

but idk man im fairly new to assassa, need to test and push more

[waxen oyster]

its not padding if it has to die

🙂

[eternal quail]

running off, tricksing the floor above in brh\

[stable storm]

like if ur in a high key, you dont get much out of sudden demise right?

[eternal quail]

yes

[waxen oyster]

you're forgetting sudden demise also gives 10% bleed dam

passively

if your tank is griefing and chain pulling this might mean less

[lethal mantle]

story of my life

"its more efficient to keep pulling bro":

[eternal quail]

if its not spiteful week they fuck you by chain pulling, if it IS spitefull week they fuck you by waiting till the pack is 1% with a 60% hp spiteful mob up.

[stable storm]

so running a build without it is ideal for higher keys?

[restive spire]

Wasn't gonna drink tonight but man I miss like a mf

[eternal quail]

they way I play, yes. But i'm sure it can be utilized in high keys due to the 10% bleed dam. idk

at Whispyr, send help

[junior aurora]

just macro dance into kingsbane and keep garrote on that key

easy

[eternal quail]

literally this ^

[scarlet sable]

what build do u guys like for the 15-20 range

[waxen oyster]

swap specs key for anything below 20

[scarlet sable]

i hear u, prefer not too

still learning the spec

[waxen oyster]

idk arterial then

[woeful meteor]

played hybrid for basically all my sin keys

[restive spire]

Are there not times you'd want to desync the cd's in M+?

i guess you could just not target anything if there is huh

[scarlet sable]

I just "half" ramp typically as yoda described it

[waxen oyster]

whats that mean

for those of us that dont watch streamers

[fringe scroll]

is 4pc on assa a huge push?

[scarlet sable]

why dont we reapply rupture during DM?

[bleak spoke]

in key?

it's more that you're trying to envenom alot and spatter a big kb

pressing stuff taht doesn't play towards that game plan no good

[scarlet sable]

so then when adds spawn in a key lets say warchief in rise or fall i forget

worth dotting or just get CP from fan and funnel into boss>

so CT is really spend once to maintain dot and aoe we wanna envenom our KB for that caustic cleave?

might drop CT tbh

[oblique jackal]

On, tyr week.. can you drop CT?

[lofty gazelle]

thisi s the build i"m running for tyr

no CT, big splats, big boss dam

[scarlet sable]

"cleave" ?

[lofty gazelle]

idk probably, I just copied a guildie's build and it's working for low 20s

[radiant sorrel]

Does haste affect how fast bleeds and poisons tick therefore they do more dmg or I am talking BS ?

[oblique jackal]

lets see how it goes

[gaunt moat]

They do, with some exceptions.
For example, Kingsbane tick rate is not affected by haste.

[radiant sorrel]

But is not something significant right

[scarlet sable]

When do you use fab to build

Fan*

[radiant sorrel]

when they are a lot of targets

prolly like 4/5

cuz Fans are the cringiest builder ever

at 3 targets might be worth if you have a lot of crit

but if you have 5 targ it is not guaranteed you will get 5 CP

[scarlet sable]

yeah

feel like my ST isn’t good yikes

I’ll open then just tank

[vale shore]

is there a way to get a different icon for empowered garrote so I know not to overwrite it? maybe a weak aura or something?

[radiant sorrel]

Watch Whispyr's videos

[scarlet sable]

they prob have it built in

I do I follow his sequenc e

I think I’m cucking my tea vanish windows maybe

Garrote is my top damage in ST not KB? Idk if right or wrong

[steep carbon]

anyone could explain how assasination can have an opener to deal like 400k dps on the first 10 sec ST?

[scarlet sable]

it does big opener dps then u float I think

[torn atlas]

Spikey damage

[steep carbon]

ye but, what's the rotation? I tried kingsbane and shiving during kingsbane and I just top at 120k

[scarlet sable]

oh it’s a whole thing bro

Need to watch a video and practice

It’s not impossible but def needs to be hardwired into the brain

[steep carbon]

I guess I do

[scarlet sable]

It’s very specific but always the same

Whisp video is good idr the name tho

[steep carbon]

found the whispyr vid I think

[torn atlas]

Practice on a dummy for a while. Do your opener for a bit til you get it down, reset, repeat. Once you got that down, keep it going until you're chaining into your next kb, and into your next dm, etc until you're comfortable

Once you get the rhythm down you'll be right

[vale shore]

you shiv just before king's bane for a start, and that's ONLY a start

[steep carbon]

ya I get the garrote/rupture/ambush/s&d rotation

[heavy roost]

Just get hekeli and tunnel that

Don’t forget you need envenom on target before you get to kb

And you want thistle tea and shiv to be refreshed and vanish at 3s of kb left

[steep carbon]

I did it

I got to 350k

[scarlet sable]

Nice

[steep carbon]

I do?

didn't know that