then it goes form you too the priest
#assassination
royal lantern
the other class that has nothing against it
not my problem anymore, suck it up loser
runic hinge
I’ll save my attempt at playing pirate for 2 days for sometime in the .5 patch
royal lantern
this is why i play pirate in AD
south wing
then my 489 dreamcarver
does outlaw care about a dagger in off hand
waxen oyster
https://tenor.com/view/dry-heave-throw-up-vomit-gross-ew-gif-4726988
hey its like bfa except no more gouging trash shields off
waxen oyster
does outlaw care about a dagger in off hand
nicholas
royal lantern
hey its like bfa except no more gouging trash shields off
wdym like bfa
i played assa there
waxen oyster
i played assa there
sus
tacit charm
Didn’t everyone play assassin in bfa?
waxen oyster
Didn’t everyone play assassin in bfa?
not in keys
tacit charm
Oh yea, my b didn’t know what content y’all were talking about
waxen oyster
ok infested season all 3 specs saw play
then zul got sub deleted for the rest of the expansion
idr about bod though
but ep+nyalotha were def more sin tiers
royal lantern
bfa was
raid assa
m+ outlaw
and not just for rogue
m+ was just Outlaw lol
bfa outlaw is 1 of the reasons why people too this day still say that rogue is 1 of the absolute best m+ classes all the time
waxen oyster
bfa outlaw is 1 of the reasons why people too this day still say that rogue is 1...
that and bfa dungeon pathing
made shroud much more useful
than current
waxen oyster
fuck shroud pathing
pug walks into direction mob is facing
”why did shroud break”
potent raft
good tip. thanks 🙂
latent onyx
do I want deathmark or ashes of embersoul first on my macro?
waxen oyster
you get chomped?
latent onyx
im too lazy for that
true flume
the m+ pug experience
did you press faint? sigh this dps just dont pop deffensives
royal lantern
you get chomped?
no
south wing
bfa outlaw is 1 of the reasons why people too this day still say that rogue is 1...
I have a friend that would never shut up about how goated he was as outlaw in bfa keys. How good actually was it
true flume
im too lazy for that
in that case macro it to KB instead and it does not matter where you have it.
royal lantern
I have a friend that would never shut up about how goated he was as outlaw in bf...
lets just say
3x outlaw was a legit team comp
latent onyx
thanks
south wing
3x outlaw was a legit team comp
was blade flurry going off or what
south wing
I remember doing BRH in legion as outlaw and padding in the stairs.
robust scaffold
or 2 outlaw 1 ww
WW was actually meta for something? 
royal lantern
was blade flurry going off or what
outlaw was tuned VERY high for aoe
going from legion into BfA, blizz nerfed aoe heavy across the game, and outlaw was 1 of the few left that actually had strong aoe all the time
- azerite traits for BF where nuts
waxen oyster
it was literally wits
south wing
outlaw was tuned VERY high for aoe
going from legion into BfA, blizz nerfed aoe...
ah gotcha, appreciate the clarification
royal lantern
yes
waxen oyster
1 wits made your flurry go apeshit
south wing
did it have a low skill floor?
waxen oyster
starting in s2
royal lantern
wits was so stupid strong
royal lantern
did it have a low skill floor?
yes
its where the "just press bf lol" meme comes from
cus thats was outlaw then
waxen oyster
WW was actually meta for something? <a:sadgecry:784895801595002920>
ww was overtuned end of legion
south wing
I mean if you have 3 outlaw what is there to kick
royal lantern
litearlly just press blade flury and add packs evaporated
waxen oyster
psure they played 3x ww in mdi
wits got added in s2
which was when outlaw became nuts
south wing
ww had good aoe in legion
waxen oyster
also double azerite trait per piece
waxen oyster
ww had good aoe in legion
good is an understatement
uncapped mark of the crane
+50% per stack
south wing
YES
waxen oyster
i legit called this would be a problem
south wing
straight cooking
waxen oyster
in legion beta
south wing
wasn’t the artifact ability filler 
royal lantern
outlaw would still be a spec people hate
lol
cus wits was the turning point
outlaw became giga m+ meta
m+ became big at the same time
waxen oyster
the artifact did good aoe but
south wing
Did someone say THUNDERFURY
south wing
so for my friend that says he misses outlaw, he would like it rn?
waxen oyster
ehh outlaw was stronger than it is now
until bfa s4
then you were a glorified gouge bot
for the fire mage
royal lantern
ye
s4 was like
outlaw was #2
but fire was so hard above everyone else
that #2 was still bad against it lol
waxen oyster
”pull pull pull i have cumbust”
royal lantern
other 2 dps existed for interupts
nothing else
it was just mage and his cheerleaders
robust scaffold
that's so pathetic lol
waxen oyster
honestly sub was very good end of legion
south wing
something something s2
waxen oyster
its just 7.3.5 ww gapped every other spec
on aoe and st
oh and aff lock was legit immortal
robust scaffold
maybe thats why blizz has a vendetta against them ever since
little moth
i feel like i was nerfed twice i simmed myself after the reset tuesday for 194k and now its for 177k
south wing
I quit pveing around Argus 
waxen oyster
drainsoul topped your healthbar in 1 tick
used to legit stand in any mechanic
that wasnt a oneshot
south wing
Need
royal lantern
4x afflock 1x blood dk high lvl keys
you didnt need a healer
healing emchanic?
channel drain soul for 0,4 seconds and full hp
royal lantern
waxen oyster
channel drain soul for 0,4 seconds and full hp
reminder aff had like sudden demise but stupider
mob dies with seed
entire pack go kaboom
Ty blizz
waxen oyster
yeah but if a mob died with seed of corruption
it’d just cause an aoe explosion
around it
south wing
a friend of mine who is aff fan recently picked it up again in bgs
he be pressing seed
waxen oyster
and you talented into pressing seed put it on 3 targets
south wing
brrrrr
south wing
seems kinda paddy
south wing
had a fire mage flaming me playing arcane for having low damage
homie you igniting everything
look at KBs
waxen oyster
i only played s1 df so far
south wing
man pug rbgs are actually viable
south wing
I think the community has gotten better at pvp as a whole
or maybe just all smurfs idk
night crag
!fuu
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south wing
that’s still a thing once you climb a lil
waxen oyster
me playing sl s2
and one tapping this guy’s healer 3x in an hour
with diff people
south wing
Didn’t touch SL and I’m proud of it 
south wing
you’d use ST?
waxen oyster
keefers gave you an extra 50% crit to the target after you palmed them
and alpha tiger 30% haste
literally could just 100-0 someone rsk sck proc into another sck proc
south wing
I remember using crane kick on ST if at enough stacks or something
south wing
literally could just 100-0 someone rsk sck proc into another sck proc
oh what the fuck
waxen oyster
yeah it was a thing
south wing
not okay
waxen oyster
extra funny because sck was still aoe
so sometimes i had his melee partner at 20%
from spinning
south wing
that’s the best
waxen oyster
it was also because bonedust brew could replicate damage
waxen oyster
big brain was you incap someone then throw bonedust since it didnt do damage to break
cant wall during incap
south wing
yeah that’s juice
waxen oyster
rogue was uhh….
idk s1 stunbot for fire mage
s2 necrolord assassination
big brain to play deeper strat for a 7s kidney
keen spruce
runic hinge
It did then
slate crown
Ah
acoustic birch
Kingsbane on a non-boss target in a 20 feels so terrible
they die before i reapply my second shiv and i cry
runic hinge
Because they loved cc then and now they don’t
Probably has something to do with healing effectiveness
waxen oyster
was funnier when the priest you were attacking thought he was safe exiting a 4s garrote silence and 7s kidney
only to get knocked down by earthquake from dwayne on his heal
and die
arctic tusk
rancid spade
undone flame
what woude be the best item to craft for me?
undone flame
i think you are right
old halo
also do you like my hat?
undone flame
i think the green one woude fit more but yes
old halo
but do you know how many bolders i had to collect to get this one
undone flame
oh its the one form the underground?
undone flame
ah i were thinking it was the one form TP XD
i took a break so i didnt play s2 or know anything about it tbh
royal lantern
@slate crown yo, you are smart, when i have a gear piece with a socket and convert it into a tier piece trought catalys, does it keep the socket?
balmy condor
<@228712200385200130> yo, you are smart, when i have a gear piece with a socket ...
she is very smart, but I got this 
yes it does
royal lantern
thanks 
glass raptor
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slate crown
<@228712200385200130> yo, you are smart, when i have a gear piece with a socket ...
lol random question for me given my areas of expertise. But I appreciate the question 
royal lantern
fuck me
FUCK ME
big as hell spider was on my table
grabed some paper too remove it, now its gone and cant find it anymore
fuck me
aspüdighas
desert sigil
i have a question about how kingsbane works. can you guarantee poison applications to increase the ramping damage? or is it just a chance of application? im trying to understand the variance in my damage vs other rogue in my group
pine dew
which build is good for this week?
runic hinge
i have a question about how kingsbane works. can you guarantee poison applicatio...
It is a chance. Envenom increases the chance. Shiv increases your nature damage
royal lantern
update: found the spider, im not gonna die
normal mist
But is the spider gonna die?
brazen zodiac
^
slate crown
update: found the spider, im not gonna die
Are you sure?
normal mist
In theory, its not her fault
brazen zodiac
that's just 1 spider, what about the other 4 cx
haughty lily
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brazen zodiac
thats why its inside ;p
slate crown
update: found the spider, im not gonna die
Did you know that spider and its friends were on your desk last night when you were sleeping? It didn't magically spawn on the table. Where else are they hiding?
normal mist
bleak sun
anyone know if its worth to replace every mutilate by ambush while stealthed in ST raid ?
royal lantern
yes
thorny rain
Im late, but what is everyone crafting with 3rd spark?
Im using thorn and toxic patch now
runic hinge
I did dagger because it was the most dps and I have zero hope of ever seeing one in my vault. A lot of people are going ring for free socket and flavor pocket
thorny rain
I got 2x Nick of time so not going to craft a weapon
runic hinge
Ring probably
upper spear
we dont care about this right?
silk bane
its just changes to take away the shadowland thematics from shadowlands abilities
hence the rename
and changeing nature into arcane
arcane into physical etc.
drifting cedar
guys should I craft blue silken lining or flavor pocket on a belt?
thorn fjord
Hot pocket always really nice
past forum
i'm torn between making a neck with flavor pocket since everyone in my entire raid wants tindy neck, or making a piece for.......outlaw
static glacier
we dont care about this right?
only sub would really care about this
neither OL or Sin have any armor pen anymore.
royal lantern
we dont care about this right?
they change the visuals of the abilitys, and arcane dmg would not fit
thats all
idle leaf
hey! looking for information/tips to sim for keys. Please and thanks
velvet marten
We pool to 50 or 80%? i forget.
runic hinge
80
dry chasm
which one i use for ring?
runic hinge
Bottom left
sweet dawn
How come some people are not running CT in dungeons?
real stirrup
!pooling
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TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
runic hinge
How come some people are not running CT in dungeons?
Their group doesn’t need more aoe so they just go for cleave and ST
When you run with like a Dh or something
vast shuttle
what addon is the one making other players health bar bigger and the other addon that makes ur board smaller and u can move around it
pine dew
How to Sim for Dungeons? Whats the best?
tawny geyser
Dungeon Slicer
obtuse sinew
Should we apply improved garrot with ShD before second mark? Or we can follow the opener sequence and mark before ShD>KB>garrot?
stiff pivot
they saved WW
fuck u :(
wind falcon
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random plume
wow i can't believe they finally reworked ww
royal flint
K... I am struggling and don't entirely understand why.. I've been checking logs, wow analyzer, I recognize it's a popular raid class/spec so parsing is going to be more competitive... but I feel like I am clearly under performing and can't quite nail down why... with the new rework are we supposed to tab target and stack up Garrottes and ruptures... I know there is a level of aoe with it but I find myself tab targeting and trying to get more out and it's hurting more than helping... didnt want to flood links but I do have access to logs etc for help.
livid ruin
K... I am struggling and don't entirely understand why.. I've been checking logs...
What I'm doing right now is putting as many improved garrotes as I can manage in the stealth break window
Then doing at least 2 ruptures for the scent of blood agility buff
then marking a target with splatter (preferably the one with the most health) or prio target and cleave of him
silk bane
^ thats not necessarily the best thing to do in single target (raid)
livid ruin
Oh yeah this for dungeon
For raid I almost never bother with garroting adds
only rupture for agi buff and energy
silk bane
K... I am struggling and don't entirely understand why.. I've been checking logs...
u can open a log thread and when people have time, they can look into it and give you feedback. you can open the thread with the command !log
royal flint
I'm sure it doesn't help using hekili.. but it's a start and it just seems like it's suggesting the opener again and again based on new target etc.
royal flint
u can open a log thread and when people have time, they can look into it and giv...
Oh sweet thank you!!!
runic hinge
u can open a log thread and when people have time, they can look into it and giv...
We don’t do log reviews in this channel actually
!log
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Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
silk bane
lmfao oh yaeh...
runic hinge
Which isn’t updated yet
runic hinge
I'm sure it doesn't help using hekili.. but it's a start and it just seems like ...
Don’t use that addon
silk bane
I guess u can just drop a log here and we can take a look
livid ruin
^
royal flint
I saw herorotation is suggested for rogue?
silk bane
sins honestly really really simple, very easy to fix.
runic hinge
I’m gonna suggest just studying the opener on wowhead and practicing on a target dummy
runic hinge
That too
silk bane
goes over all concepts.
livid ruin
Yeah I recommend practice aswell and trying to understand why you are casting which ability
silk bane
rotation/ pooling fundemantals/ boss cd planning etc
royal flint
As far as target swapping just trust the aoe portion of bleeds etc? Transitioning from Ret has been interesting considering ret is more than 1 target... divine storm.. here it's like 5+ targets crimson, 3 + fok etc.
!log
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Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
livid ruin
You can post the link of your log if you want wowanalyzer isn't updated for new sin yet
crystal orchid
Hey, is there a spreadsheet with all the boss abilities that feint works on? My friend could really use it
royal flint
This is one from Gnarl cause its just a good mix of ST, and cleave. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WzDLVdQTw6JjNqtr#fight=37&type=damage-done&source=13
ashen rover
yo, this good?
livid ruin
yo, this good?
Sim it, looks good tho
gray crest
split cipher
Socket good
livid ruin
This is one from Gnarl cause its just a good mix of ST, and cleave. https://www....
Honestly your rotation looks good
Good opener
But I checked your stats and trinkets
You have way too much vers
royal flint
Yea my trinkets hurt lol
livid ruin
Because honestly by the way you do the rotation, you will parse a lot higher with the 4set and good stat spread
static glacier
This is one from Gnarl cause its just a good mix of ST, and cleave. https://www....
biggest mistake imo is you dropped caustic spatter
livid ruin
Honestly on gnarl I would drop crimson tempest and just go straight into boss
You never drop spatter that way
I don't think there's a single fight in raid that warrants tempest
static glacier
outside of that you seemed to stop hitting the boss for a while around 1m
neon viper
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royal flint
My team struggles with the fire branches... unfortunately.. outside of those windows though keep up envenom more often.
livid ruin
outside of that you seemed to stop hitting the boss for a while around 1m
That's just the intermission no?
tender magnet
Hey, when applying garrote and rupture in AOE do I have to change targets or can I just spread it from that one target?
static glacier
That's just the intermission no?
intermission isn't before your 2nd kingsbane
royal flint
And by struggles... I mean struggles...
livid ruin
Hey, when applying garrote and rupture in AOE do I have to change targets or can...
It'll only spread to 2 if you don't switch
tender magnet
So at 5 targets I garrote the first target and then switch to the next for all 5 to be done
static glacier
yep, but you could just garr the same one twice
1st garr will apply to targets 1,2 and 3. 2nd will apply to 1,4 and 5
granted they're close enough
tender magnet
Right so if it's 6 targets then obviously I need to swap for all 6
static glacier
potentially yeah. personally speaking I'm a bit lazy and unless there's casts to be silenced I just garr the same target 2-3 times
tender magnet
And rupture works the same way?
static glacier
yep
static glacier
it's just because you only have 3 globals of empowered Gar on pull
so I don't like to gamble that i'll target something out of melee
royal flint
That 100% helps answer my question about target swapping too, so thank you!!
static glacier
then I have to burn shadowstep and be quick to get the third garr out
tender magnet
Ye I get that
static glacier
in places like everbloom with massive pulls it is generally advisable to try and fire out fresh garrs though
but in sub 10 mob pulls it's okay to be a bit lazy
hallow token
This is why tanks stringing out pulls too far is a bummer. Can't start hitting until the tank stops stringing.
static glacier
since you'll be in dance soon enough
gloomy lagoon
Hey there, any good rogues out there that could provide feedback for this rogue's log?
Name: Berrybbenson
Fight: Mythic Nymue
Log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HFxjJ1d6R7cX2TQk#fight=28&type=damage-done&source=48
Sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g559UFFMLAviuAaaHERFnK
tender magnet
Coming from arcane mage this is all a bit new haha
But I'm learning
FIgured it was time to switch it up a bit
Having been top 100 arcane for a long time
Time to try something new and rogue was always my go to second spec
runic hinge
Damn. Will you teach me to play arcane? I boosted a mage on Monday
runic hinge
Nice. I’ll trade you assa knowledge
livid ruin
@royal flint your abilities in the damage amp phase was also a bit messy, you should basically redo the opener
static glacier
Hey there, any good rogues out there that could provide feedback for this rogue'...
opener is slightly scuffed but functional. 2nd kingsbane was a little scuffed due to sending a lone shiv on boss. your rogue is collecting their trinket balls slightly too early. No improved garotte application in 2nd deathmark with shadow dance. 2nd shiv timing seems to generally be a bit late, same for tea in the 3rd kingsbane cast of the fight. they also have a wierd habit of using a generator between shiv + dance and kingsbane where they should immediately send kingsbane. strangely enough their best cd usage of the fight was their deathmark at 7 minutes, they played that one well. basically this is a player that understands what to do but the execution is just a little sloppy on things like vanish timing at the end of KB, shiv timings during cds etc, they're not completely wrong or anything but just off by around 2-3 seconds around most of their cd windows for a few spells.
empty pilot
im confused why topgear suggests nick of time in the offhand.. is timestrike better that way or something?
gritty zealot
you want 2 nick a times
static glacier
im confused why topgear suggests nick of time in the offhand.. is timestrike bet...
timestrike doesn't care if it's in the mainhand or offhand.
gloomy lagoon
opener is slightly scuffed but functional. 2nd kingsbane was a little scuffed du...
Thank you very much
empty pilot
you want 2 nick a times
yeah ideally but im a little burnt from farming Fall +18s all week.. probably 50+ runs at this point. going to chill on it for now
empty pilot
i have one 483 NoT and SRF 483 so just wanting another NoT I guess
regal kiln
how much does evoker buffs affect the parse ?
like if my evoker doest buff me in a fight i wont be able to 95+ ?
gritty zealot
it only took me 104 runs @empty pilot
frigid echo
Hey lads do we macro kingsbane and dance? Read a few ppl say it elsewhere
past forum
u can, personal preference
empty pilot
it only took me 104 runs <@453011018214277133>
thats so rougjh
royal lantern
Hey lads do we macro kingsbane and dance? Read a few ppl say it elsewhere
yes
everyone does
cus there is not really a reason too not do it
static glacier
how much does evoker buffs affect the parse ?
Barely, only sanguine blades is bugged - and that’s around 5% of our dmg
So maybe you’d do like 0.5-1% more dmg on a log due to Aug
frigid echo
Alright ty, and do we shiv at all outside of kingsbane or save it for each bane window
waxen oyster
no
static glacier
Sub is the spec that heavily benefits from bugs in combat hooks from Aug on logs
waxen oyster
unless you’re playing arterial in keys and know you wont kb in the next 20s
static glacier
Alright ty, and do we shiv at all outside of kingsbane or save it for each bane ...
Only time you ever shiv outside of kingsbane is if your KB target died and you have an extra shiv to use
frigid echo
Alright thanks lads. Shiv less than 6 seconds left on KB, and vanish with less than 3 secs yea?
summer light
Should I be using branch with Deathmark and if so can someone recommend a macro?
waxen oyster
/cast deathmark /use 13 or 14
static glacier
Alright thanks lads. Shiv less than 6 seconds left on KB, and vanish with less t...
8 technically but yeah, you just wanna cover all of KB with 2 shivs
waxen oyster
you can throw in a whisper for PI too ig
twilit flower
hello 🙂 i´d have to ask what u do as assa when 2nd boss in WM (tree) spawns the thorns on a friendly target. do you actually swap and fulldot it or stay on boss to cleave it with caustic spatter?
gritty zealot
ignore mechanics onm everything and full parse
leave mechanics to the wannabe rogues like feral druids
summer light
/cast deathmark /use 13 or 14
And should I be collecting the orbs or just wait for them to drop on me?
waxen oyster
sim does 1-1-7
summer light
1-1-7?
waxen oyster
how long each is staggered
summer light
ahh
waxen oyster
again, real applications dont always allow this
summer light
Right right
waxen oyster
you want 3 stacks for your later kb ticks
frigid echo
And is it enven>deathmark>shiv>KB?
regal kiln
Barely, only sanguine blades is bugged - and that’s around 5% of our dmg
ty bro, is there a way on raidbot to see ur dmg with and without augmentation ?
summer light
and pot on KB as well or dm
twilit flower
and pot on KB as well or dm
afaik u pot and trinket on dm
waxen oyster
pot lasts 25
summer light
gotcha
balmy condor
Yeh just macro pot to dm
regal kiln
what do you think about doing ur first envenom after KB instead of before ?
i feel like its smoother
waxen oyster
why
balmy condor
Less damage but faster burst
That’s the standard accelerated opener
You’d do that on like larodar to pad adds
balmy condor
That doesn’t matter though deathmark gives you a fuck ton back
regal kiln
true
balmy condor
I mean it’s a fine opener for the situations you’d use it for
frigid echo
Is the opener in wowhead perfect or do you guys do things differently
balmy condor
But as a standard opener it’s just strictly worse
balmy condor
Is the opener in wowhead perfect or do you guys do things differently
I’d hope it’s perfect
regal kiln
ahah
waxen oyster
is that accelerated just skipping first env build too
balmy condor
They pay me good money….. adequate…. They pay me money! To keep that thing accurate
balmy condor
is that accelerated just skipping first env build too
Yeah
Like if you’re trying to accelerate you either skip rupture (which is the slightly better version) or skip envenom (which is the slightly worse version)
On larodar for first adds if you skip the rupture you don’t get caustic out early enough
waxen oyster
oh yeah
balmy condor
On tindral you can get the caustic out in time for roots, so you skip rupture and envenom instead
But it’s all kinda min-max shit
You always garrote and slice before cooldowns
And then if you accelerate you either skip rupture or envenom
And if you don’t need to, you do the whole thing and build envenom to 5
gray hazel
Thought 4+ you send it
balmy condor
You do
regal kiln
why is 5 so important here
balmy condor
Just not before a deathmark
balmy condor
why is 5 so important here
Because you want the envenom to last through to the next envenom
gray hazel
Gotcha
gray hazel
Thanks!
regal kiln
damn we learn things here
frigid echo
Fuck maths hurts my brain. I can’t count to 5 so I appreciate you whisp
balmy condor
Would it help if it was 4+cooldown.deathmark.ready instead
regal kiln
So in case i have to 3 mutilate to have those 5+cp envenom is it possible that i need to tea in early kb
balmy condor
fast phoenix
I just spam poisoned knife to max poison application, chess not checkers
frigid echo
So many fkin buttons to open I’m just gonna spam mutilate Fukit
runic hinge
They just did Tuesday . Everything is perfectly balanced
lime crypt
They just did Tuesday . Everything is perfectly balanced
right
regal kiln
mages for example are still angry
lime crypt
dh spy
lime crypt
gaslighting ppl that shit is balanced
fast phoenix
Mages got an entire rework and still blow lol
lime crypt
Mages got an entire rework and still blow lol
they got rework in s2
and lemme tell you
they didnt blow in s2
fast phoenix
A 14th spriest rework to put them back on top again
regal kiln
Like if you’re trying to accelerate you either skip rupture (which is the slight...
What do you think of Garrot rupture ambush SD into 5CP+ envenom for accelerated burst
waxen oyster
@balmy condor if you land at 4cp after hitting kb do you send an envenom or empowered garrote first
frigid echo
I’ve wanted to main ele shaman for years, THEY blow
lime crypt
Looks good to me
wrong discord
waxen oyster
I’ve wanted to main ele shaman for years, THEY blow
why play ele when enh exists
runic hinge
wrong discord
Says the yellow name
frigid echo
why play ele when enh exists
Coz I wanna throw lava balls at kunts left right and Center
waxen oyster
we dont finish at 4 now?
think he just meant a 4pt env wont cover to next env in opener
strange python
oh ok ty
waxen oyster
unless i interpreted that wrong
strange python
yea no thats right 4cp wont be long enough for the chain
dusty lance
thorny pond
AoE
thorny pond
Unless you get adds no
dry chasm
i just drop a second nick of time, i play assa instead of outlaw better?
thorny pond
i just drop a second nick of time, i play assa instead of outlaw better?
Play what you find fun. Both good.
Also Gratz you lucky bastard
dry chasm
greek
thorny pond
I think I saw a demon for a moment
dry chasm
xdd
waxen oyster
i just drop a second nick of time, i play assa instead of outlaw better?
its 1% damage
so depends if you're good at sin or not
full solstice
training dummies, but 250k dps over 4 min decent in aoe?
been hard focusing st just decided to try aoe
snow hamlet
how to use ashe ? any tips?
unreal laurel
!up
prisma monolithBOT
cursive frost
how to use ashe ? any tips?
Macro it to DM
clever perch
Is there any bug related to assa in throne 1st boss?
im kinda tired of using all defs and get this
near valley
pretty sure you can feint the chain lightning
clever perch
the fuck is this
feint used btw
near valley
oh lol
surreal citrus
👀
clever perch
everytime i go there ppl say wtf why is it hitting x2 dmg than it should be?
and at this point
near valley
if ur the first one u take the most damage right?
clever perch
idk
near valley
i think if ur first in the chain then u take a shit ton more damage
keen spruce
you didn't feint that 2nd one
clever perch
whatever
clever perch
how the fk do i survive this
near valley
ask for a sac?
keen spruce
near valley
go elusiveness?
clever perch
everytime i go there ppl say "is hitting x2 than it should be"
near valley
well i mean
keen spruce
I mean you do
near valley
based on these screens
keen spruce
you literally just posed
near valley
u kinda need the help
keen spruce
a screen shot of you getting one shot
clever perch
bro
its ticking x2 dmg for everyone
not just me
no one can survive it
even if i go elu rest of party gets wiped
keen spruce
what do you mean
thorny pond
Classic rogue conundrum. Press feint and don’t die or don’t feint die but do big damage
clever perch
guys
keen spruce
it does multiple instances of damage
clever perch
im asking about if there is a bug that makes that ability do x2 dmg than it should be
thorny pond
it does multiple instances of damage
Do the instances scale?
clever perch
well everytime i go throne, all healers say the same
near valley
more a tuning thing than a bug if any
keen spruce
i mean you should have your tank under the boss
near valley
^
near valley
if ur first ur basically getting done in
keen spruce
and you just need better healers idk
keen spruce
random
full solstice
how to use ashe ? any tips?
make sure you use her scope when youre at range and dont spray too much when theyre close range
clever perch
i have to position in a specific way?
full solstice
use the little knockback gun to knock them back to range and keep shooting
keen spruce
so the person it targets first
is random
and that is the 800k hit
then it jumps to the closest person to you
doing like 500k or w/e
so everyone surrounds the tank
near valley
does like 20% or something less each bounce irght?
keen spruce
so the tank is closest to everyone
clever perch
i guess i'll have to play elu perma on tyranical
keen spruce
so feint doens't do anything
clever perch
so everyone surrounds the tank
so basically i just have to stay close to tank
that's what i was doing already
i guess there is no actual way of not dying without elu then
keen spruce
this is with cheat
on a 25
feint no help
yeah
if you get targetted first
it will one shot you
clever perch
if you get targetted first
without getting targeted first
keen spruce
without elus
clever perch
it also destroy me
keen spruce
well if it doesn't one shot you
your healer has to heal u
and u gotta use other stuff
near valley
ur winning if ur not first target
keen spruce
pots, juice box, etc
near valley
ez to manage from there
keen spruce
but pretty much u gotta play elusiv
on high tyran
cuz the timers are so free in most of the dungeons
timid drift
Heys guys quick questions , thinking of rolling a rogue on alliance. Which is the best race ?
keen spruce
that we're doin keys that are way to high
near valley
Heys guys quick questions , thinking of rolling a rogue on alliance. Which is th...
void elf ofc
keen spruce
and the blockers become one shot mechanics
instead of timers
and if you randomly die to trash because of no cheat
near valley
Heys guys quick questions , thinking of rolling a rogue on alliance. Which is th...
can play dwarf or void elf
near valley
but tbf race is whatever
near valley
and if you randomly die to trash because of no cheat
getting fisted by a rogue dog do happen sometimes
near valley
rng is rng
full solstice
void elf ofc
this reply makes me self conscious about picking night elf
near valley
it should
full solstice
damn
timid drift
Thank you guys !. I’m torn between Assas and outlaw. What would be the easier spec if the two to start Mythics with
full solstice
imagine not going for 50% of transmogging
gimme a legacy set and im happy
thick schooner
Thank you guys !. I’m torn between Assas and outlaw. What would be the easier sp...
sin by far
full solstice
outlaw by far
full solstice
download hekili and turn your brain off
near valley
eh
keen spruce
don't do that
near valley
sin is easier in pacing
full solstice
don't do that
let me set em up for failue in peace
near valley
outlaw is easier in number of buttons u press
but outlaw right now is giga punishing
tepid charm
yea, I'm finding it rough to manage crackshot windows properly
full solstice
tbh i really do have a way easier time with outlaw in m+ but ive also got way more time on it
near valley
u die once with KiR buffs and it's joever
full solstice
HO is simpler
tepid charm
not enjoying it anywhere near as much as sin
full solstice
not as effective but it works for someone trying to learn
timid drift
Leaning towards assas tbh
near valley
HO was fine till my tanks stopped waiting for me to restealth
full solstice
go with sin youll thank yourself when you decide to run raid
tepid charm
cleaving garotte in keys is very satisfying
full solstice
i do more damage in aoe and st on sin it just took me a while to understand chaining and pooling
clever perch
HO was fine till my tanks stopped waiting for me to restealth
not being able to restealth is more penalizing on outlaw than assa?
xD
full solstice
100% is
clever perch
why
full solstice
missing an entire window because a tank wants to pull asap to save 3 seconds
near valley
not just that
near valley
u lose out on keeping uptime with UHUH
near valley
tbf the og comparison wasn't between sin and law
it was between the two builds of law
near valley
but also stealth is giga important for both so it's fucked regardless
clever perch
who the f plays kir anyways
full solstice
yeah its rogue
near valley
no winners here
full solstice
a good KiR player should outdps a good HO player
near valley
cause KiR does more damage?
full solstice
LOL
near valley
wdym why?
full solstice
its rng but the rng hits
clever perch
guys
desert pasture
it almost feels less rng once you get used to it
clever perch
u're playing cds based on ur rng
near valley
what cds?
full solstice
getting a good roll and being able to KiR is ridiculous
desert pasture
higher proc chance on SS and kir extending buffs so long makes it solid
clever perch
what level of keys are u guys doing
desert pasture
yea it's way less hit or miss than it was last patch
near valley
(minus the 10% when u dont get any)
desert pasture
25-26
full solstice
20+
clever perch
cuz there is a reason people play ho instead kir
desert pasture
lol
near valley
chronic tank issue
so true
desert pasture
restealthing is just as important in both builds imo, so that's not really a p art of the conversation, if anything its slightly less impactful in KiR because you sepnd more cps
clever perch
because it's easier?
so u're saying every top m+ outlaw is playing HO because its easier
full solstice
restealthing is just as important in both builds imo, so that's not really a p a...
thats the point
tame tangle
u're playing cds based on ur rng
tell me u know nothing of outlaw without saying u know nothing of outlaw
clever perch
imagine blaming because the rest doesn't play ur build lol
full solstice
wdyem by that
tame tangle
they don’t even know
near valley
bro is kinda arguing in parallels
full solstice
bros got me confused now
clever perch
if ur point is that every top m+ outlaw is playing HO because its easier and its harder for them to play KiR
u're kinda the one that has no idea about outlaw lol
tame tangle
…..why do you think people play ho over kir
full solstice
top m+ outlaws literally are playing it because its easier
clever perch
you can't choose when ur 4 buffs are gonna hit
there are some situations
where u need to blast
tame tangle
it’s one buff you’re waiting for and it happens constantly what do you even mean lol
clever perch
top m+ outlaws literally are playing it because its easier
aight im done
tame tangle
nobody said that but sure
full solstice
when youve got two builds that are similar and ones easier and all youre trying to do is speedrun through for rating yeah theyre gonna choose the easier one. but as far as actual damage output kir is superior
desert pasture
idk neither are harder than one another they're just slightly different
full solstice
no ones saying ho players are worse
desert pasture
so if you're used to playing one you will blunder the other for a bit
full solstice
they own the top of leaderboards literally no one is saying they dont
but kir is the better spec on paper
desert pasture
but it's pmuch the same nowadays, KiR does more dam, but if you die it's despair
near valley
lil bro here acting like this is a Psy Op by Big KiR
desert pasture
HO is sliiightly less despair but still despair
tame tangle
still thinks outlaw damage is pure rng
near valley
HO feels nice and is less punishing what else is there to want?
clever perch
still thinks outlaw damage is pure rng
no one said that, but sure
full solstice
im giggling at the fact we're having a full blown outlaw argument in the sin channel
tame tangle
its rng anyways
lol
full solstice
rogues gonna rogue
desert pasture
by far the biggest impact on both builds is crackshot proccing in the dmg profile, so it's all playing the same rng
near valley
at this point i'm not even sure he knows what he's arguing or his orginal point
clever perch
imagine
tame tangle
just stop lmao
full solstice
how is clicking a button when you have a certain amount of buffs rng
clever perch
you need to blast in a specific window of time
full solstice
you have to rtd on HO too
desert pasture
you don't get to chose that on HO either
desert pasture
the only "blast" we do is crackshot popping off
clever perch
KiR blasts on cds, ye
tame tangle
LOL
desert pasture
if anything i think kir is less rng feeling because you have higher proc chances on your shit
near valley
bro i can't
desert pasture
ambush being 80% proc of SS is really impactful lol
if you haven't given kir a run you should because it definitely feels wayyyyy different than it did before, if anything the damage almost feels more consistent because it's more finisher dam and you can get finishers more consistently
near valley
roll broadside = profit
desert pasture
maybe that's just in my head tho, obv if you die it's despair
near valley
desert pasture
but like i said before if you die after pressing AR you're doing tank dam till it's back on both builds unelss you high roll crackshot a bunch
clever perch
if you haven't given kir a run you should because it definitely feels wayyyyy di...
i'll try in 25s
near valley
maybe that's just in my head tho, obv if you die it's despair
well yeah if u die in KiR extension u might as well just hearthstone out
tame tangle
y’all wanna go to outlaw and talk about kb
full solstice
yes please
desert pasture
i think its' less different than it might sound, they're pretty similar, but if you use bladeflurry cps good you get really really consistent dam on kir, it's def been feeling better to me 
full solstice
or subtlety and talk about envenom chaining?
near valley
deft is a godsend
desert pasture
they're way closer together than last patch tho because the crux of it all is crackshot
if crackshot pops off, it's pog in both builds, and if doesn't it's sad in both builds
tame tangle
or subtlety and talk about envenom chaining?
no i’m scared of fuu
near valley
again if tanks weren't all deciding to chain pull without waiting
tame tangle
jk he’s the nicest of everyone lol
near valley
HO is real nice
full solstice
fuu financed a waterbed and skipped the payment hes got bigger problems
theyre gonna come drain it tomorrow
near valley
fuu financed a waterbed and skipped the payment hes got bigger problems
what?
desert pasture
D:
near valley
is this actually true?
full solstice
go ask him
near valley
cause i'm a degen
clever perch
so is Fuu
indigo totem
And now we're in outlaw chat...
near valley
And now we're in outlaw chat...
every chat is outlaw chat
they just don't know it yet
indigo totem
I'm old, so it's still mut for me
near valley
..................
clever perch
i dont see any issue on that
clever perch
i go to sleep at 11 am and wake up at 8 pm everyday
full solstice
inspirational actually
clever perch
more time to have fun with russians in m+
full solstice
and taiwanese that definitely arent chinese with a vpn
indigo totem
Got my 2nd NOT and sitting at 17% haste sims still say wafting even with sand glass. Wafting it is, I suppose. Not mad, not even disappointed. Drink the whiskey and obey the sims, I won't remember in the morning anyways.
clever perch
im just asking
what makes HO easier than KiR
just curious
the only point of playing HO over KiR was because it was easier, right? im just asking why is it easier xD
full solstice
less to keep track of, dying with kir buffs is tragic
its just a simpler spec
and not by a wide margin
but the dps gains arent a wide margin either
near valley
It was said that long downtime and wiping punish KiR harder than HO
near valley
but the dps gains arent a wide margin either
It's like 3-5%
To play KiR so it's really a preference angle
Wouldn't be the case if acro wasn't harder to get for HO without sacrificing dps
full solstice
ask rogue one the don these questions neko he def knows more than me
thats your debating partner
near valley
ask rogue one the don these questions neko he def knows more than me
Don't outsource this to me
full solstice
im 100% outsourcing my labor
mellow juniper
does the radius for spatter start on the target on on self?
near valley
Target
mellow juniper
so what do you guys do on igira... cuz my raid doesnt put spears in splatter range
full solstice
go to bed don thats three edits in 60 seconds
near valley
Not play splatter
royal lantern
have them put them spears into melee cleave range, cus why the fuck are yku not doing that, it just means they get cleared faster lol
near valley
have them put them spears into melee cleave range, cus why the fuck are yku not ...
Always assume that the people stacking spears have no respect for personal space
And will drop them on you for no reason
cinder quartz
i added a branch buff tracker to the notter's kingsbane tracker
text shows remaining kb duration, red = too soon to collect 3rd orb, green = safe to collect 3rd orb (plus glows the 3rd orb icon)
full solstice
thats actually pretty sick
lime crypt
i added a branch buff tracker to the notter's kingsbane tracker
where is link tho
sharing is caring
mellow juniper
have them put them spears into melee cleave range, cus why the fuck are yku not ...
mellow juniper
Not play splatter
so would you do anything to the spears? rupture for energy maybe?
near valley
so would you do anything to the spears? rupture for energy maybe?
Tbh I just fully tunnel on boss
I'm sure peeps FoK and all that
gentle belfry
Whats the CD protocol for M Gnarl again? Use 1min on pull?
near valley
But I have enough DHs to not be stressing myself about spears
cinder quartz
i exported it separate from notter so you can use it independently
royal lantern
so would you do anything to the spears? rupture for energy maybe?
you st the boss and spatter normaly is supposed too hit the spears
cus like
when everyone can actually dmg them
they go away in 2-3 seconds lol
lime crypt
i dont understand, is notter's kb like a fancy way of telling you how much dmg you do
or is it something to help you actually pull off good kb?
cuz im using kb timeline
cinder quartz
i dont understand, is notter's kb like a fancy way of telling you how much dmg y...
notter's is this thing https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug
lime crypt
so idk
odd nebula
!dreamcarver
royal lantern
so you know you fucked it up
royal lantern
!dreamcarver
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
no
lime crypt
or is it opnly deadly poison and bleed
royal lantern
but double poison application rate = double the dmg growth