assassination

[gusty mirage]

and the paging is only a sticking point for me on my rogue

[dark token]

disable bar 1

[gusty mirage]

so it's irrelevant for other specs

that's so fucking smart

holy

[vapid sierra]

Paging?

[thorn fjord]

Oh I get it

Damn I’m gonna try that right now lol

[gusty mirage]

yo am I free from elv prison

is this what it's like to taste freedom

[subtle tundra]

proud to say ive never used elvui

[gusty mirage]

I'm proud to say you're cute

how about that

[subtle tundra]

meeeeeeeow ;3 ;3

[thorn fjord]

That’s not the sound a frog makes

[tender tinsel]

How hard has the new nerfs hit assa?

[thorn fjord]

About 4.4%

[weak bane]

Approximately 4% hard and it's pinned

[gaunt sigil]

4.4% is a lot

[dark token]

elvui touches a lot more than u think tho

[royal lantern]

im also a big fan of a new patch releasing and 3 saying during the first pull of the night "wtf my ui is broken"

[quartz locust]

sin still top anyway💃

[thorn fjord]

So do I 😉

[clever sapphire]

the cooked build on smolderon doesnt work

[gusty mirage]

that's actually my favorite part

[clever sapphire]

but 2 sepsis casts did 1.6M

[gusty mirage]

idk how people run into so many issues

[dark token]

heres all the stuff i had to do to replace my ui with elvui

1. install SUF and find a good profile (speedrogue got me)
2. create a custom addon to scale my ui to 0.5333 (1440p monitor)
3. create a lightweight custom addon to anchor my tooltip to mouseover
4. redo my bar keybinds to reduce my bar usage from 8 -> 6 ( i was abusing elvuis extra bars)
5. add Mbars addon to make my bars mouseover
6. copy paste and edit elvui's blacklist and whitelist for debuffs from their lua code into SUF lua code. by default SUF filters nothing so u have garbage debuffs like sated on ur player frame
7. install sharedmedia and libsharedmedia additonal fonts to get elvui fonts back because my whole ui used expressway

[strong cradle]

Bandolier of Twisted Blade w/Leech just dropped

[dark token]

this is not counting the 2-3 hrs of configuring SUF and edit mode to look like my elvui ui

[strong cradle]

would this ever be worth using on Sin?

[gusty mirage]

do you play outlaw

or plan on trying it

[quartz locust]

theres a robot that might have some info for you

[gusty mirage]

I'll save you a trip to the robot

it's not

that trinket is hot ass garbage for anyone that isn't outlaw rogue

[strong cradle]

acheers

[quartz locust]

what if his current trinkets are F-tier anyway

[gusty mirage]

then back to the mines

can kill 2 birds with the galakronds fall mines

[thorn fjord]

So i just move all my binds from bar 1 to bar 2 and so on then rebind my keys to those and i should be good? @dark token

[uneven solstice]

anyone know how good nick of time dagger is? and if its worth the farm? im like 20 runs in and havent seen it

[devout prism]

the BiS part is only for the 489 version, the M+ version isn't that amazing over other options

[thorn fjord]

Can run a droptimizer for your gear set to see what it is for you

[devout prism]

so that's just a vault angle

[quartz locust]

its like a 1.2k dps increase over equivalent ilvl

[gusty mirage]

the hero track is your bis off hand

[gaunt sigil]

Just cause of externals let’s be real

[gusty mirage]

it beats a 489 in oh

[devout prism]

but oxi what if I got 2 nicks in vault

[gusty mirage]

then give me one

[devout prism]

lol I didn't, in that event I would have chose something else probably

[gusty mirage]

I'm tired of taking dogshit gear to save crests

[uneven solstice]

so really looking to get lucky in Vault it seems like i already have cruel and the other green looking one

[vale lantern]

220k Sub sim 201k Sin sim for ST 5 min i know what i must do 😦

[gusty mirage]

honestly, it's like 1% if that for OH

[gaunt sigil]

If you go purely off of sims Assa is Ass

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#

[gusty mirage]

depends on how much you hate yourself really

[amber stream]

Branch and Brand are still BIS for ST, right?

[slim hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dQd4XPAbwKnRwhmzxM338j

Tight spender keeps getting more and more value for me

[gaunt sigil]

Assa is lower mid on raw sims

But obviously you can’t base a classes performance this raid based on sims, especially because we are in WoW: The External Crusade rn

[slim hamlet]

after nerfs we are just low

[gusty mirage]

how are you more geared than people progging fyrakk

lmfao

[slim hamlet]

I am simply better at the game

[outer cairn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

also that sim is with PI just so u dont only look at numbers

[gusty mirage]

you're less progged than Ghost Gaming in raid bud

bold words

[clever sapphire]

ok so seeing as 2 sepsis casts in dps phase are 1.6M on smolderon, you guys think its the play

[slim hamlet]

I blame it on us missing a raid because servers went down

[idle totem]

Who tf progging fyrakk sub 482 and don't say a healer

[gusty mirage]

I'm not answering anymore of your questions after you brought up the tank trinket @clever sapphire

[slim hamlet]

We would've been on smolderon

[gusty mirage]

you're on your own bud

[clever sapphire]

ah ye that was shit

but sepsis is a real question

im too dumb to know if you can sim for smolderon specifically

[gaunt sigil]

The only reason Assa is top spec rn is cause of externals

[gusty mirage]

its okay it buys you more time to avoid tindral before it gets absolutely gutted

[slim hamlet]

and good raid fights

[arctic tusk]

Anthia’s Ring in vault and mythic tier chest but I have a mythic chest to catalyze next week 🤔

[slim hamlet]

Thank fuck

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-sandler-cherish-it-billy-madison-gif-11616631

[arctic tusk]

The ring is goated ya?

[slim hamlet]

Surely the 6% buff isn't in yet right?

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah the fact that most raid fights just cater to Assa is kind of crazy

[gusty mirage]

yeah they surely weren't simming for 218 before

[gaunt sigil]

Oh it is

WW just doesn’t exist

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crush-crusher-skull-halloween-gif-26163235

[gaunt sigil]

Blizz just slapped 6% aura buffs on WW and Arms instead of just fixing them

[eager tree]

so there's 3 spenders we use in trash pack right? crimson tempest for the aoe damage, multiple ruptures for the agi boost and envenom for the 4pc?

[grizzled mist]

opinions on the Arterial Shock build but with DTB instead of Sudden Demise?

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVFFRQVFVQmJBQCVRNVUVVVUJQEEoVQBF

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

once upon a time

[gaunt sigil]

What is Crimson tempest

[gusty mirage]

assassination received like 30% in aura buffs

and 2 covenant reworks

[clever sapphire]

im supposed to be the cursed one

[gusty mirage]

to not be dogshit

[eager tree]

so we dont use CT? was just going off wowhead. is there a better guide somewhere?

[gusty mirage]

you use crimson tempest on 4+ targets

[outer cairn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[eager tree]

so first 10 seconds of a pull out of stealth you should rupture as many targets with your CPs and do a crimson tempest. after that its envenom?

thanks will check those out

[gaunt sigil]

I don’t take Crimson tempest in my key group

I just run cleave build

Especially on tyr weeks

[gusty mirage]

essentially you want to spread as many bleeds as possible (Indiscriminate Carnage will take care of this for you at the start of the pack), get your CT rolling, get caustic spatter up, and just blast

kingsbane timing is cursed as fuck in keys

cause DHs are doing 15 bajillion dps

like 80% of the time your kingsbane target will just die halfway through the dot

and you just get sad

[eternal quail]

bigger keys my friend

[gusty mirage]

happens in 23s too

[gusty mirage]

and I'm not mentally ill enough to do higher than 23s

[pulsar dirge]

it's true I do get sad but not like the previous seasons sad

[gusty mirage]

previous season you'd pop everything + potion and beat the tank by like 5k dps

it was so cool

actual tank damage

[gaunt sigil]

Sometimes on packs with really healthy prio targets I just send DM, shiv, SD, KB and spread dots after it’s ticking cause shit dies so fast anyways

[shy pecan]

You’re so cool

[gusty mirage]

no u

[shy pecan]

no u

[vast shuttle]

is this good build

[uneven solstice]

i wouldnt go bomb

you are missing key talents imo

[unique sorrel]

That is all sorts of cursed

[crimson zephyr]

wouldn't it make more sense to switch 8 and 9? Does deathmark still hit the last proc of kb?

[unique sorrel]

It fits perfectly

[eternal quail]

no bomb

[unique sorrel]

I think there’s like 1ish second of leeway?

[eternal quail]

still cursed

[cosmic socket]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crimson zephyr]

ah yeah shadowdance is instant no so it's fine

[normal mist]

~Man just did a 20 WCM with a spriest and a aug

this was fucking awesome

[eternal quail]

my key team has an aug and disc. i know what you mean

[normal mist]

i was just PUMPING

[gaunt sigil]

My key team is VDH, Balance, Me (assa), Aug, and MW monk

[eternal quail]

multiboxing ..... ah he changed it

[royal lantern]

people REALLY forgot that arc

like

the moment where the spec was so fucking bad

legit nobody played it anymore

not even the most tryhard 1 tricks

[normal mist]

i was there, playing assassination when it was ... really not optimal

[normal mist]

OI

I WAS

[eternal quail]

Yeah, I've played sin since they made combat into outlaw.

or was it when they removed combat redbuff, or was that the same time i cant remember

[vast shuttle]

is their anythign i wanna change in this build?

[gaunt sigil]

Everything

[eternal quail]

what is this for?

it seems bad at everything

[gaunt sigil]

^

No ic or bomb so bad aoe, no dtb and Sudden demise so bad ST

[normal mist]

(normal parses, +/- during the time assa was STILL receiving buffs bcs it was unplayable)

[gaunt sigil]

What is this

[crimson zephyr]

where do launched thorns come from?

[gaunt sigil]

Toxic boots

[normal mist]

your boots

[vast shuttle]

pvp

[crimson zephyr]

aahh thanks

[normal mist]

wrong channel

for pvp

[gaunt sigil]

^

[normal mist]

i got him

pointed him to the right channel

[eternal quail]

RIGHT.

[gaunt sigil]

I’ve just always gone to Pikaboo for rogue PvP. Mostly cause he is the only rogue PvPer I really know of

[normal mist]

same

[frigid bay]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[fervent jasper]

Why do people go brain dead on the last boss of AD

[gaunt sigil]

So is it known if we are going Tight spender or Improved Ambush now?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iGXYwRLTed7N5rPi2Sutyx

Tight spender sims higher for me

[gusty mirage]

rip wod combat

[clever sapphire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rkiHXE5tnEiCdF4zTgk5Ar

same

[neat plank]

... but does it FEEL better

[clever sapphire]

but until pin says it im not trusting robot

im too hardheaded

[grizzled mist]

opinions on this build for M+?
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVFFRQVFVQmJBQCVRNVUVVVUJQEEoVQBF

[gaunt sigil]

I mean I don’t feel a huge difference

[clever sapphire]

you ambush twice anyways, its just that you finish on 4 instead of 6

but finishing rule is 4+

[eternal quail]

back in the old days

[normal mist]

i was so mediocre during legion it hurts

[clever sapphire]

thats a build

[normal mist]

jesus

[grizzled mist]

oh no way?

[gaunt sigil]

I’ve run a similar build before, feels alright

[clever sapphire]

ye ikik

[gaunt sigil]

That’s pretty similar to cleave+IC

I’m ngl there are at least a good 5 good builds for M+

It really just depends on your play style and group on which performs best

[worthy heart]

quick question: how cursed are my stats as assa?

[gaunt sigil]

I mean, those are fine

[clever sapphire]

looking for the cursed part

[gaunt sigil]

Vers is prolly a little high but like that’s not an issue

[worthy heart]

the 23% vers part

[gaunt sigil]

I SIM best around 20% haste

[worthy heart]

and 40% crit i'm pulling out of my ass

[gaunt sigil]

I mean your stats look fine

[clever sapphire]

[gaunt sigil]

[gaunt sigil]

I’m at work rn so don’t have an Ez screenshot

[worthy heart]

being unlucky af with rings, also have 1/2 nick of time and the worst part is that 476 coiled serpent sims better than 473 pip

[harsh anchor]

I heard 32% crit was bis

[real solar]

Hi @gusty mirage im still here

[gusty mirage]

hi

I'm going to no longer be here

[eternal quail]

vers is weird

[real solar]

Y

[worthy heart]

also my character craves haste but i cant give her any

[spice spire]

Mood

[eternal quail]

sims almost the same

[gaunt sigil]

According to my sim report

That’s what I’m at currently

[eternal quail]

which sims almost the same as

almost like they dont matter too much

😉

[worthy heart]

yea but arent we all about feelycraft

i'm basically running outlaw gear

[spice spire]

[gaunt sigil]

Higher haste makes it easier to play therefore best stat

I go 40% haste so energy isn’t an issue

[arctic socket]

My chat is so dark

[worthy heart]

so wait

[eternal quail]

stack speed, get to boss faster = more dps

[arctic socket]

New discord app go hard

[worthy heart]

you're telling me i can tell my RL to give me volcoross neck and igira ring because our stats dont matter at all?

[gaunt sigil]

I mean I guess

I just run what robot tells me to 🤖

[worthy heart]

aka i'm free to roll anything as bis as long as it gives me more stamina/agi?

[gaunt sigil]

Agi is best stat

[slim pebble]

I have barely played the raid this tier. on gnarlroot what’s best use for CDs to have them for amp window

[worthy heart]

send on pull, send 1min on cd, back from phase bl pot and send everything again

[eternal quail]

this

just go wee

wait that was norm

jsut go wee

[worthy heart]

i did almost the same damage yesterday on mythic 1st kill and got a 35 :))))

[gaunt sigil]

My hero parses are sad

[hollow stone]

parses are a bit cursed atm just in general

[worthy heart]

if yours are sad, mine need to unalive themselves

[gaunt sigil]

WoW: The External Crusade rn

[worthy heart]

WoW: The Cursed Boss Killtime

[gaunt sigil]

Wrath of the Kill Time

[royal lantern]

humble bragging makes you just look like a dick btw :3

[eternal quail]

yeah but what about normal parses eggsdee

[past forum]

for plater profiles like cev's that have mobs color coded, is there any way to change all mobs of the same color to a different color? some of the colors are really hard for my eyes to see but otherwise i love the profile

[tawdry flint]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt sigil]

I’m not trying to brag, it’s mostly that parses are cursed rn. Cause it’s pretty much just externals and kill time

I didn’t mean to come off as rude, sorry

[worthy heart]

cant we just organize a log run, both on nm and hc, 12 assa rogues, 12 priests, 2 tanks and rest aug and just ruin logs for everyone?

[eternal quail]

all the good players know normal parses is where its at, flash the orange boys

[gaunt sigil]

[hollow stone]

it'd be better to have 2 priests per rogue

[gaunt sigil]

Normal parses ftw

[worthy heart]

bosses wouldnt last 1min

[eternal quail]

lmao you're still better than me xd

[gaunt sigil]

It’d invalidate

[hollow stone]

something is wrong with mine

[gaunt sigil]

If you get more than 1 PI every 2 min your log gets flagged I believe

[south wing]

does parsing orange for your ilvl mean anything

[eternal quail]

means more than overall imo

[worthy heart]

those are the real parses

[gaunt sigil]

I mean iLvL is more representative for lower ilvl

[hollow stone]

true, back to 12 rogues 12 priests it is

[eternal quail]

ive paid my priest to pi me over my uh gm heh

[worthy heart]

ngl i'm gonna organize that in the near future as an experiment

[forest notch]

very similar to mine tbh

[eternal quail]

and at 8 seconds after pull too ❤️

[gaunt sigil]

You want augs though cause you will parse better

[worthy heart]

yea, are 4 enough?

[gaunt sigil]

A fair chunk of damage doesn’t get taken from Assa

[limber lion]

blue is my favorite color

[wide whale]

haha same

[forest notch]

I have trouble with Fyrakk, only an 86.

[gaunt sigil]

https://gist.github.com/ljosberinn/a2f08a53cfe8632a18350eea44e9da3e

[south wing]

a man/woman of culture I see

[gaunt sigil]

Here is a list of all Aug issues

[forest notch]

heroic be ok. haha

[fading ocean]

known aug issues there could be more undiscovered

[forest notch]

again though

Fyrakk

[south wing]

Smolderon

[gaunt sigil]

TL;DR for rogues

[lyric grail]

4/5 pulls on larodar my kingsbane got parried kekw

[fading ocean]

Didnt even know that was possible kekw

[worthy heart]

warr tank, druid tank for vers buff, do we care about windfury at all?

[eternal quail]

man my last H fyrakk kill had me juggling a seed like a hacky sack

[gaunt sigil]

Gotta stand behind

[gaunt sigil]

We care about wfT a lot in st

[fading ocean]

Yep wf quite strong for kingsbane windows

[eternal quail]

THIS

[hollow stone]

had my first this week on council... then I was tilted and sent 2nd kb as ducks went out (like an idiot) and was ducked for the 2nd one

[pseudo hamlet]

476 sandglass > 483 signet in patchwerk sim? 🤔

[hollow stone]

it was a great pull

[forest notch]

I didnt have to do that, Im just not sure where im losing my damage yet

Ive been sending CDs during intermisison

[worthy heart]

then i need to rethink about raid comp

[forest notch]

which is bad

but we phased too fast

[eternal quail]

happens to me so much with iridikron at the end of Fall.

[fading ocean]

just play outlaw

[forest notch]

so maybe thats fine

[forest notch]

that can happen?

lol

[eternal quail]

it feels so bad

in half a mind to send it with cloak up and step on him

[gaunt sigil]

Gotta stand behind to KB

No parry

[eternal quail]

how u do dis to last boss of Fall?

without inting

[worthy heart]

about branch usage: how do you usually do the 1/1/7?

[gaunt sigil]

Idk

Cheat death?

It’s gotta work somehow

[neat plank]

when I press branch I have to press all kinds of other CDs as well and not mess up, I don't have the brain capacity to manually pick up orbs

or I could pick up orbs and waste 3 GCds not pressing any buttons

[eternal quail]

ive practiced the orb dance with strafing to do it without looking.

[fickle latch]

What build is prefered atm for M+ 20´s

[steady wolf]

Just came back about a week ago and am trying to figure out reworked sin. Haven’t really played it since BFA. I’m pretty far off my sim when it comes to aoe if someone could help breakdown what I’m doing wrong in the logs. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NKkzn6Cv1wXYtGaA#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=71&start=63349&end=225658

[pseudo hamlet]

cleave for Tyra

[gaunt sigil]

Cleave is so good for Tyra

[eternal quail]

depends which week, tyran + raging id say AP+KB+IC+SD

[gaunt sigil]

I use cleave in most scenarios cause of my normal group

[eternal quail]

fort id say KB+DTB+IC+SD

[gaunt sigil]

I personally don’t like Sudden death

There are like 5 excellent M+ builds that all perform similarly

[eternal quail]

it is a bit

[fickle latch]

Cleave as in Raid Dance/ Spatter only ?

[gaunt sigil]

Spatter+IC but yes

[worthy heart]

lol meanwhile outlaw goes bladeflurry brrrrrrrrr

[lofty junco]

well 6/9 hc. should make it easier next week finding groups^^

[gaunt sigil]

Outlaw and Havoc rn both having little to no changes in talents and rotation for AOE vs ST

[eternal quail]

dude ... get seed, cool, get line, drop seed, dodge line away from seed, pick up seed, get cyclone, drop seed, run to edge of platform, drop cyclone, run back, pick up seed, get line, drop seed, dodge line away from seed, pick up seed, leg it to center with seed for roar, use seed, feel good.

[wide whale]

do you like seeds

[eternal quail]

seeeeed

[worthy heart]

i only play outlaw in m+, don't know about raid

but i'm thinking about going for assa m+ aswell

[gaunt sigil]

I love being a seed bed

[eternal quail]

the boss dmg is nice when you get the timings for damage windows

[worthy heart]

did a random BRH+16 yesterday, obviously we ran it down, but even without having no idea on how to play it, i topped damage really hard

[eternal quail]

last boss of BRH, tree in EB ect

[forest notch]

hahaha ya

I wish other melee knew how to run ALONG THEIR LINE and not move it all over the damm place

[gaunt sigil]

Nah why did I think BRH was Brackenhide for a second

[worthy heart]

probably trauma

[eternal quail]

probably cos of the "we ran it down" part

[forest notch]

I can only do this if there is no DH, BM lol

[worthy heart]

that dungeon is hell on earth

[gaunt sigil]

Season 2 Brainwash

[worthy heart]

yea

was fun tho

[eternal quail]

every time I go in my lockout for crafts/recrafts i get flashbacks

[frigid bay]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[worthy heart]

what do you mean cheat death with dagger?

[gaunt sigil]

Cheat death

With dagger

Dagger has a cheat death effect if you pick Mechanical

[runic hinge]

It’s basically the mechagnome racial

[worthy heart]

does it stack with the actual cheat death?

[runic hinge]

Heals a bit when you proc cheat

[keen spruce]

I need an adult

[forest notch]

wait does it stack?

lol

[keen spruce]

[frigid kestrel]

Does this work with toys?

[spice spire]

@keen spruce they’re right

The fuck

[frigid kestrel]

Like if I dropped spider toy

[spice spire]

Ur hot

[keen spruce]

[wide whale]

hot stabbi boi

[lyric pecan]

So if I am in a situation where I would really like to try out Acrobatic Strikes for something, what's the best capstone to drop? Not something I'm planning on doing long term, but I haven't found any info on this in guides and such.

[eternal nymph]

There's nothing to stack.
It's not a cheat death, it's just 10% heal when you reach below 20% HP

So technically it stacks since it works together. But theyre not related anyways, so why wouldn't it "stack"

[gaunt sigil]

Well it technically stacks cause the dagger procs at like 20 or 10%

[wide whale]

anyway to reset CDs when fucking around on training dummies? having to wait 2 minutes to practice openers every time suuuucks

[frigid kestrel]

Tea

[lyric pecan]

Thanks, appreciated.

[worthy heart]

ok that answered me thanks

[gaunt sigil]

Keep in mind though, cheat death perk is bugged

[forest notch]

oh its just called "cheat death" in the image lol

so I was confused

[eternal nymph]

Yeah, caused plenty confusion already

[lyric pecan]

I really like the Beast effect of the dagger, the extra leech and the less falling damage. (RIP Catlike.)

[gaunt sigil]

It can repeat proc sometimes making it much stronger than it should be

[worthy heart]

well i stopped using that dagger, i used it on an elemental, had the walk on water jesus buff, went to throne of the tides, died of falling

[gaunt sigil]

LMAO

[lyric pecan]

Unfortunate.

[gaunt sigil]

I recommend beast, Dragonkin, or mechanical personally

[worthy heart]

i recommended myself to go and drop another nick of time from fall

[wide whale]

did it work

[gaunt sigil]

I have been basically only running fall and EB this week for Nick and Branch

[proven jasper]

i recommend myself to get my first dagger drop from fall on my 35th run

[royal python]

How much haste should we be carrying optimally

[wide whale]

should i recommend it to myself too

[worthy heart]

not yet

[gaunt sigil]

I SIM best around 20%

[frigid kestrel]

I farmed fall 40 times before I got my first drop…… next three times in there after the first on I got 2 daggers.

I hate when shit like that happens

[forest notch]

got my first in 3 runs

[wide whale]

1 hero-track in 13 hero-track runs (17+)

[forest notch]

but now I need 2nd

[wide whale]

the other i got while working on IO on a lower key

[runic hinge]

Wish it was me looking at your mog

[wide whale]

the other hero track just won't drop

[worthy heart]

the thing is, if i were decent on outlaw, i wouldnt need another nick of time, i'd be good for raiding and m+, but i'm kind of a meme and just run it on m+

[proven jasper]

Ive got 8 pairs of boots and every piece besides the dagger or trinket doing my time in fall prison

[gaunt sigil]

Just offhand nick on outlaw

[normal mist]

we climbing boys

3/8 done

[royal python]

In a tyrannical weak , for muradons rise on the anduin boss, isn't playing without flying daggers n CT sub optimal

[gaunt sigil]

You know what sucks

You need both rise and fall 20d for the portal

[proven jasper]

Yep

Figured that out also

pretty dumb

[normal mist]

just like tazavesh

[gaunt sigil]

And idk if want to run a 20 ride

[proven jasper]

Who does

[gaunt sigil]

I actually didn’t M+ season 3 SL

[proven jasper]

Did you see the graph on the completion rate this season for all the m+

[gaunt sigil]

I actually started playing in SL

[proven jasper]

Rise is literally at like a 47% completion rate still

[normal mist]

i got my SL collection :3

[worthy heart]

i did a 21 rise so smooth i thought i was dreaming

but still can't time a 20 dht :))

[woven frost]

You poor soul. Who hurt you?

[gaunt sigil]

The person who’s hurt me most is myself

Nah I personally liked SL

[silver turret]

First raid this week ongoing. And its fukking annoying and nerfed to death right now. its so sad

[gaunt sigil]

But it was my first time playing so

[woven frost]

Dear lord. I need your luck. I’m at around 80+ runs and only have 1 Champion level Nicholas

[woven frost]

It actually doesn’t feel too bad in raid. I found the nerfs helped make it feel a little more fluid in that execute range.

[wide whale]

i give you my luck

going from 476 -> 483 nick in my offhand only adds 717 dps

i think i'll stop farming Fall so hard

[silver turret]

I mean its mucht more fun then Sub is, but dmg is much lower tbh. min. 10%

[woven frost]

I know it’s just waiting for me to craft a dagger to drop

Or it waits until I’m helping a guildie in like a +4 or something

[gaunt sigil]

Real

I know the moment I craft a war glaive on my DH I’m gonna get Double Time

[woven frost]

I can’t complain too much. The vault has been good to me. Literally a myth track branchy boi on the first week.

[gaunt sigil]

I’m almost at 3 KSMs but my Main isn’t even at 3k io

[wide whale]

i've had 2 vaults on my rogue so far - first was myth tier pants, second was fucking garbage

[gaunt sigil]

My rogue is almost 2700, my Brew is like 2200, my VDH I think is 1700

[real stirrup]

anyone know if the vault from yesterday will last until after next reset? (I won't be playing until the 15th)

[gaunt sigil]

It will

[real stirrup]

cooool

[gaunt sigil]

You can technically have multiple vaults ready to open if you don’t open one

I’ve had 3 on my war before

[real stirrup]

from multiple weeks?

[gaunt sigil]

My war died when I saw Anhillator build on fury, Arms being unplayable, and Prot being sub par

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah cause I keyed but didn’t open vaults

[clever sapphire]

do you guys run bonespike on mythic council btw? or dou you just run normal build with spatter and suffer

[gaunt sigil]

I just go spatter + IC

I imagine bone spike could be ok but it usually suffers with short kill times

[quaint hull]

no you wont

[wide whale]

i hate my life

[woven frost]

You don’t farm Fall. It farms you.

Hey- at least it isn’t Rise

[wide whale]

that's fair haha

[quaint hull]

seeing that champion knife will it your brain alive. Its not even about the dps anymroe xD

If you Mythic Raid, you can replace it with the Mythic Dreamcarver anyways.

[raven bone]

I'm sure there's posts about it already or some command. But what's the play with Ashes vs Branch

[quaint hull]

Pick the one you want. Ashes is more consistent, Branch is more dmg but you can fuck it up easier.

[woven frost]

Unfortunately I’m a casual scrub that only heroic raids and a total M+ crack addict

[raven bone]

How come? Is there some secret tech behind branch?

[humble shale]

hey iam quite new playing with assassination build and i was wondering why in mm+ most build dont play with acrobatic strike ?

[quaint hull]

You have to maximize its uptime through Kingsbane

So yes you have to pick up the orbs

in a set order.

ashes you just pop it

[quaint hull]

doesnt matter, run the one you want

i like ashes

i do that

[chrome mirage]

I would prefer to have ashes, but branch has been fine so far

[eternal nymph]

I mean you have to pick up the orbs correctly.
Some find it annoying, and on some fight it can be more difficult than on others.
But so far I've always found it feasible

[woven frost]

Everyone knows the back orb gives more dps if you grab it first

[quaint hull]

Good joke

[raven bone]

That sounds tedious af

[chrome mirage]

I play with the branch WA that plays a sound when you get an orb, so even in the chaos of a fight I still hit them on time.

[raven bone]

But ashes it's annoying to cloak the debuff off

[quaint hull]

is it? just cloak and dont stand in bad

[chrome mirage]

I thought you couldn't cloak/AMS the debuff

Or am I wrong

[raven bone]

I am under the impression you can

testkng it quickly

It does not seem to work

wth

I've been lied too

[quaint hull]

offset the debuff with sandglass ez.

[runic hinge]

You could at first but they changed it

[clever sapphire]

council aint no short kill time on mythic

when you are still progging it

[tame stump]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[atomic swallow]

I want to utilise SD and Vanish as much as possible in M+ to spread my raptures?

[gaunt sigil]

It’s prolly decent in mythic, I personally am not sure though.

[clever sapphire]

just gonna try it

[empty pilot]

is it just good because of the aoe enrage dispell? i don't understand why AP is so good.. only using shiv during KB window

[gaunt sigil]

Go for it, I’m interested to see how it goes

[atomic swallow]

Trying the cleave build on dummy’s atm and holding about 200ish k but I suck probably

[clever sapphire]

well since its prog cant promise, but im interested in spike dmg at the end

[gaunt sigil]

It’s just good cause Tyr bosses are very tanky and I just usually Cleave off prio targets. Like I’ve said there are many Excellent M+ builds, it’s mostly what you pref

I would never use shiv intentionally for engrage dispell

[clever sapphire]

same

unless its the shit dragons in fall

[gaunt sigil]

I like cleave build because of how it plays

[storm forum]

I feel like second shiv lines up really well for those dragons

[empty pilot]

damn really? I read about the build on wowhead guide and it mentioned AP was good for enrage dispelling

maybe I read it wrong

[storm forum]

It is good for enrage dispelling, but sometimes we would rather hold it for damage

[gaunt sigil]

It is, but unless you know you won’t use CDs for 30 sec, it’s not worth using purely for enrage dispell.

[stone basin]

@empty pilot secret technique to get inv into pugs

[empty pilot]

lol

[gaunt sigil]

There have been times that I use it without CDs running cause I know I won’t be using CDs before i need that charge, but it’s very rare and it’s not always for enrage dispell

[golden blaze]

hey i got a friend who plays assa rogue and i need your help to analyse his logs cause they really bad and i know nothing about rogues ^^ so what does he do wrong ? ^^ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/B4ZGWhY9pynHC1Tw

[gaunt sigil]

I sometimes just press shiv for more damage on a pack before a boss cause I don’t want to commit to my CDs

[clever sapphire]

not asking personally

[gaunt sigil]

Ex the pack b4 priestess in AD

[clever sapphire]

which rogue btw

there are 2

[golden blaze]

annabell ^^

[golden blaze]

german player who dont really understand english xd

[woven frost]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[woven frost]

At first sight, it looks like their envenom usage is really low

[gaunt sigil]

Wow Analyzer is a good quick and easy way to get logs looked at, I’d look at them but I’m at work

[clever sapphire]

no its not

not up to date yet

[shell wind]

Hey, I checked wowhead and icyveins but I cant find which poisons to use in pvp as assassa

[clever sapphire]

but his cooldown usage is horrible

[golden blaze]

yeah i saw that too ^^

[clever sapphire]

he goes shiv kb before even using snd/deathmark/shadowdance

i think he should start by just straight up looking at wowhead for the rota guide

that would improve it by a lot

[ebon quest]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gaunt sigil]

Oh I thought it was updated mb

I don’t use it myself so I wasn’t aware

[spice spire]

Yeah it takes a little to update

Turns into a lot with a whole ass rework

[clever sapphire]

the rota and playstyle changed quite a bit

but @golden blaze make him check out wowheads rota/opener page to start with

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah, I find the rework so much more enjoyable than pre rework

[golden blaze]

yeah maybe that would help him if the rota and playstyle changed

[gaunt sigil]

Much more involved gameplay

[frigid pilot]

why is outlaw dungeon slice 60k more than sub and sin?

[clever sapphire]

yap, he doesnt seem to know his basic cooldowns

[gusty mirage]

because dungeonslice doesn't pull huge pulls

[gaunt sigil]

Dslice sims aren’t very accurate to actual gameplay

[gusty mirage]

turns out outlaw is pretty good at ST and up to 8T cleave

[fast fog]

Any tips for H Fyrakk? I'm not able to take full advantage of Caustic Splatter during the Infernal and add phase. Should I simply be focusing down the infernal?

[golden blaze]

well thank you guys have a nice day ❤️

[frigid pilot]

so i should sim patchwerk 10 target and compare?

[gusty mirage]

depends on what you're trying to compare

if you want to compare aoe

[frigid pilot]

aoe capability i guess

[gusty mirage]

ye that would work

then sim the sub one and see how sad the state of black powder is

and pour one out for our boy

[frigid pilot]

ye feels pretty bad to press

nerfed on ptr

[gusty mirage]

actual wet noodle

[frigid pilot]

[storm hedge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[clever sapphire]

i usually send a kb on one infernal and spatter off of him

[lyric grail]

why is assa dmg so fucking low without pi

[frigid pilot]

cus crybabies cry about sin being good

[gaunt sigil]

Cause like most classes that love externals, they get nerfed to a state where they are bad without Externals

[frigid pilot]

demo is good withoiut it rn

[gaunt sigil]

They murdered unholy

[brittle compass]

Anyone here have a hekili profile? I feel like the default is a little wonky. Or if you have any settings suggestions?

[fast fog]

Do you bother dotting the adds at all?

[clever sapphire]

not really

[clever sapphire]

deleto

[fast fog]

For sure, I'll try and fan off them and spatter. Thanks!

[brittle compass]

😦

[gaunt sigil]

I wouldn’t use Hekili long term

It’s good to learn buttons easily but that’s about it

[bold bramble]

I´ve seen some double one use trinket on Assa, how to play it? isnt double on use really weird to play?

[gaunt sigil]

If it becomes something you rely on it’s a bad habit

[gaunt sigil]

Prolly stronger trink on Death mark windows and weaker one on just kingsbane windows

[bold bramble]

sounds good yes

[brittle compass]

I dont intend to, I got the openning down. But the filler part I am very bad at energy management

[gaunt sigil]

The WoWhead guide has good info on energy usage and when to pool

The filler is really just keep dots up and try to chain Envenom

Gen 4+ combo points and wait til Envenom is almost expired and then Envenom

Rinse and repeat

[brittle compass]

Understood will check it out.

[gaunt sigil]

Is the very short explanation

[brittle compass]

I am losing a lot of sanguine

Thanks for the help man

[gaunt sigil]

Better to chain Envenom than keep sang up

[rustic crown]

https://wago.io/8TVRJuKZ0 is this good WA to follow?

[south wing]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[gaunt sigil]

Keeping sang over Envenom is only useful to kill your augs parses

[south wing]

galaxy brain

[gaunt sigil]

[spice spire]

If there’s one thing I love more than parsing, it’s hating on ranged and support parses bless up

[gaunt sigil]

Build 40% haste for 100% Sang uptime to completely kill your Augs parses

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[gray crest]

Hating ranged is the only thing keeping me together in my raid

[south wing]

dh counts as ranged right

basically

legion ass dh is back fr

[clever sapphire]

okay so ngl bonespike feels good on council would recommend

[spice spire]

Amen brother

[gaunt sigil]

Honestly, i like frost mage and ele sham otherwise not a ranged fan

[south wing]

i was told im actually trolling if i dont take it by another rogue in group

[gaunt sigil]

I bet its really nice cause you basically don’t have to manage it

[south wing]

yeah he said its free damage

[clever sapphire]

you are trolling already by the fact that you are a melee on that boss

[gaunt sigil]

I’ll have to try it out

[south wing]

📠

[gaunt sigil]

Boomies fucking blast that fight it’s crazy

[south wing]

yeah they do

[gaunt sigil]

After every kill of it our boomie goes “Staaarfaallll”

[clever sapphire]

imagine killing it

i hate that boss

get me out

why am i doing such good dmg

gonna reroll sub so they bench me

[digital stirrup]

If anyone is able to look through the log it would be extremely appreciated, it’s just dummies so it won’t work on wow-analyzer unfortunately. Can’t figure out what’s being messed up in 5 target aoe, doing ~100k less than 5 target sim

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NKkzn6Cv1wXYtGaA#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=71&start=63349&end=225658

[clever sapphire]

did you sim with all raidbuffs?

[runic hinge]

Do you have raid buffs on your sim?

[clever sapphire]

thats my first question

[digital stirrup]

0 buffs

[clever sapphire]

compare how much dmg the sims abilities are doing compared to yours

that would also probably help a lot

[digital stirrup]

Good call, the breakdown of abilities were pretty much spot on as far as order of abilities

[fervent jasper]

So what are you guys doing to survive the 2nd boss in Fall this week. The debuff 1 shots me on dispell at level 23+

[keen spruce]

drop cheat

for elusivness

fent everything

evasion one

health pots juice box

pray

[fervent jasper]

Evasion?

[eternal quail]

elusiveness gives evasion a 20% dmg reduction

[runic hinge]

If you take elusiveness it gives dr

[fervent jasper]

Ohhh

[runic hinge]

Damn I’m slow af today

[gaunt sigil]

I actually go elusiveness on that dung and run cheat on my dagger

[fervent jasper]

What

[eternal quail]

smart

[fervent jasper]

Teach me your ways

[eternal quail]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[eternal quail]

Mechanical

[gaunt sigil]

The raid dagger can have a cheat death effect

Dreamcarver dagger

[fervent jasper]

Do you get to choose the effect?

What's the CD on the cheat?

Does it also come with the DR?

[slim hamlet]

guys

is it over for us?

[gaunt sigil]

Fuck

[dusk palm]

Vaen are you sin now? No warrior dream on the lego patch?

[eternal quail]

its been that way since reset

[gaunt sigil]

Warrior is dead to me

[eternal quail]

i dont have a main bm in raid, and I pay my priest to pi me over our dk

[gaunt sigil]

Arms is just staring at a full rage bar, Fury is annihilator build, Prot is sub par at best

[dusk palm]

I customized a Pi WA for my priest to only load when I’m in her group, and squeak and pop up with “Pi Ari” when I press mark for death

[thorn fjord]

Do you still get flightstones off of normal if you already did heroic?

[gaunt sigil]

I played rogue rework on ptr and loved it so I mainswapped

And now my guild thinks I’m just a fotm player

[eternal quail]

made over 17mill from crafting and flipping this xpac, the dk cant afford pi heh

[gaunt sigil]

I didn’t even know it was gonna be so strong

[dusk palm]

Yeah because warr was soooo good when you were playing it

[fast fog]

Any chance at you tossing that WA my way so I can share it with my local Priest? :D

[dusk palm]

Sure but it will only load when I’m in a group with them and it’ll tell them to Pi me

No way around it

[fast fog]

I figured I'd just mess with it so it'd work for us.

[dusk palm]

No

[fast fog]

Oh

Lol

[eternal quail]

thats funny af I love it

[fast fog]

Gonna have to learn how to make one

[gaunt sigil]

Right? The builds on war are just sad right now, that’s why I don’t play it. Fury isn’t that bad to play and I’ll prolly pick it back up. But if prot gets buffs

I love the roar spam on prot rn

[lofty nymph]

Anyone know how to fix my Rota? i start with opener but then I am losing dmg more and more

Anyone has a good Rotation guide or stuff?

[gaunt sigil]

I’m loving VDH rn but i Hope it gets nerfed, it’s way too strong now

At least damage wise

[dusk palm]

I’m sort of fotm. I played the rogue rework on ptr and liked it but I swapped off WW because the tierset is so atrociously bad for flow and even if it wasn’t, the dam is 📉

[gaunt sigil]

I mean, i feel bad for the fact that you played WW at all

It needs love really bad

[eternal quail]

ww is pvp spec only

[gaunt sigil]

WW and arms need reworks ngl

[digital stirrup]

so looks like envenomous eplxo sim-195k, dummies-178k. envenom sim-78k, dummies-90k. Sim garrote-442k, dummies garrote-530k. Percents are extremely close on everything, Sim Vs Dummies- Evenom-24.7%/26.26%, Caustic Splatter- 22%/16.5% (i'm guessing this is a big difference in the dmg?). Garrote-14%/12%, rupture 7.8%/10%, deadly poisons- 5.1%/5.47%, kingsbane-4.8%/7.84% ( more % dmg on dummies for kingsbane and rupture compared to sim-over prioritizing these maybe?) Deathmark 3.9%/3.5%. So the biggest thing in breakdown difference is caustic splatter with a 6% difference. sorry for essay

[gaunt sigil]

It wouldn’t surprise me if WW and or Arms get reworks next major patch

If arms gets a rework I def go back to war, i was loving arms last season

[dusk palm]

Realz was hanging around the WW discord and it gave me hope

[digital stirrup]

With those % differences and the live logs doing more dmg per ability than the sims, idk how it's still like ~80-100k below the sims

[subtle tundra]

wat da yapppppppp

[gaunt sigil]

[spice spire]

Love the new pfp king

[fervent jasper]

"Mechanical will grant you Dream Salvage (Spell ID = 424854). "+1 Engineering. When you fall below 20% health, heal for 10% of your maximum health. This effect cannot occur more than once every 3 minutes."

This is a "cheat death"?

[gaunt sigil]

Yea

[wild beacon]

Is double on use trinkets always a no go? Or do I just follow sim

[slate crown]

It's a "Cheat death"

[gaunt sigil]

It’s not truly a cheat

[fervent jasper]

But it can proc even if you wouldn't have died

[gaunt sigil]

But it’s close

I believe so

[fervent jasper]

And does it save you if you go 100 to 0?

[minor dock]

Outside of cooldowns: Do we really only refresh envenom <1sec? Even if high/overcapping energy? Assuming Garrote and Rupture are on target?

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[slate crown]

I don't think it's really close

[gaunt sigil]

It’s bugged though, it can proc multiple times in a row sometimes

[eternal quail]

dont overcap energy pooling while waiting for env to get to 1 sec

[gaunt sigil]

It’s a cheat in spirit

[slate crown]

If you are capping on energy you use envenom. Do not cap energy. Basically if you go over 80% energy, spend, stop pooling

[fervent jasper]

If you go 100-0 does it save you?

[gaunt sigil]

Honestly not sure, haven’t looked that close

[fervent jasper]

Or even 21% to 0

[minor dock]

Cool thanks all! Working on parsed but without Aug/Windfury/PI seems like I’m cursed to forever be green/blue

[gaunt sigil]

It doesn’t give any immunity, just a heal instantly

So not sure

[fervent jasper]

So if you were going to die you still die

[slate crown]

No it doesn't save you

[fervent jasper]

The death would not be cheated

[slate crown]

afaik

[subtle tundra]

thankiesss

[spice spire]

Jokes on you, I have Diamond hands. Pool until 99% always

[silent hornet]

is the fyrakk trinket any good on assa now that it is buffed ? ( still sims bad )

[slate crown]

Yeah in actuality I have a tickmark at 80%, and I try to push it up a bit higher every time I am pooling

Also don't lie to me you don't play right now

[spice spire]

Bro wtf

Why do you gotta out me like that

[runic hinge]

He’s resubbing tonight just to make you a liar

[spice spire]

That I am not doing

[runic hinge]

Damn. Now I’m the liar

[slate crown]

do iiittt

[spice spire]

I ain’t resubbing until I get my PC back

[gaunt sigil]

Rip

[runic hinge]

Where it run off to

[spice spire]

It’s at my apartment

[blazing jewel]

It ignited after he specced bone spike

[glacial lantern]

This tier set idea is actually kinda close to something i thought of sometime ago.

I thought it would be cool to have envenom deal cleave damage to enemies you have your crimson tempest on.

I guess this is kinda similar

[stable storm]

guys quick question, when I have dragon tempered blades, does it make the second poison "weaker" or is there a "priority"?
if it makes the second poison weaker, which lethal/nonl whould i go for first and second?

[normal mist]

Guys

Got something to show

im LMAO

normal first boss

[stable storm]

ABADDON, THE FRENCH DH

[kindred crescent]

what talents we running this week

[slim hamlet]

same as before

[gaunt sigil]

Old tier was funny in aoe, just pressing DM on the weakest target to get nature buff asap

[slate crown]

No, it's just "All poisons" have reduced proc chance. It's not "for the second poison"

[slim hamlet]

nothing about old assassination in aoe was funny

[gaunt sigil]

I mean it was cringe but it was silly

[gentle belfry]

is there any way to really go about determining safest secondary stats for crafted items? given that rings/neck could change from vault/mythic. Or just sim for what is best with what is currently equipped?

[rustic crown]

can you help with analyzing my log? im performing shit, new to assa

[patent crater]

is it worth playing assa in raid if you arent getting pi? i play outlaw in keys all the time and I'm stepping back into raid so trying to figure out if i need to maybe re-gear at this point.

[gaunt sigil]

I mean, play what you like, if you’re trying to parse, don’t play Assa without PI

But if you have a priest in raid, you should really be getting PI

[normal mist]

wwtf yes it is xDD

[cerulean anchor]

i have a UH DK who just got the legendary tuesday so ive been removed from PI status 😢

[gaunt sigil]

Cringe

[cerulean anchor]

i still get second PI but its still sad

[gaunt sigil]

My guild has 3 PIs

[patent crater]

feel like pi is best on our other players tho hoenstly lol... we have two really good BM hunters and a DK but iget ya. But no im not playing really to parse

we only have 1 priest tho atm

[stable storm]

oh ok ty

❤️

[rustic crown]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bhKY4tfRLNcw8nk3#fight=34&type=casts&source=23&view=timeline

[shell wind]

Which posions for m+ and raid?

[gaunt sigil]

I’m an avid PI and WFT hater

I like aug conceptually but I hate it’s implementation

[manic quartz]

amp>deadly

anthropic> numbing i guess

[spice spire]

Sorry. There’s too many people that want their logs reviewed and not enough doing it.
You’re like the 12th today? So it may not happen and I’m sorry I’m advance

[shell wind]

ty

got deeadly and numbing

[idle canyon]

my rupture keeps falling off mid kingsbane on my 1 min window, what am i doing wrong?

[royal needle]

Any advice on mythic gnarlroot or indria?

[old halo]

i believe its not a big lose to have it drop off in window, should just spam envenoms then put back up after

[manic quartz]

just dodge shit and blast?

[cunning locust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[glacial lantern]

How's sin aoe?

With and without tier

[idle canyon]

ah gotcha, i was having this convo last night, they said ur supposed to try and refresh with empowered rupture but not a big deal if u cant, main prio is envenom during 1 min window, but i just couldnt find another chance to rupture

[slate crown]

Nothing. You refresh it if it's falling off. That's fine, just make sure you have full envenom uptime up as well

[old halo]

very splattery

[gaunt sigil]

Every KB window “redo” your opener

[idle canyon]

kk perf tyty

[idle canyon]

ya but sometimes i dont have enough envenom uptime to redo rupture

[gaunt sigil]

I like to put a full amb up before my KB windows

Fair enough

[kindred crescent]

can somone link me the tyranical build I am just coming back to rogue and kinda lost

[celest helm]

raider.io

[old halo]

i use this for tyranical

think its called aeterial shock build or something like that

[balmy condor]

That’s hybrid

There’s plenty of builds on wowhead though

[robust axle]

WHen you press Shadow Dance and KB, assuming envenom is up, just do Garrote > Envenom > Mutilate > Rupture > Mut (Mut) > Envenom. Shiv as it falls up.

[balmy condor]

Biggest single target would be the cleave build

Wait

I lied

[gaunt sigil]

I use this

[balmy condor]

That is arterial

I’m still waking up

[balmy condor]

This one’s hybrid

My brain is working

[royal needle]

XD

[gaunt sigil]

Isn’t this one cleave

[runic hinge]

Isn’t this one the cleave

[balmy condor]

Okay

[runic hinge]

Fuck I’m so slow

[gaunt sigil]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

You know what

Just

[old halo]

no crismon tempest seems weird

[gaunt sigil]

Eepy whispy fr

[subtle tundra]

@gusty mirage 30%, big heater as the last pull

[balmy condor]

Don’t listen to me

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr

u ok?

[idle canyon]

that gives u enough uptime with envenom?

[balmy condor]

There’s too many fucking m+ builds

[gusty mirage]

I know I'm watching

[slim hamlet]

Unlucky

[gusty mirage]

[gaunt sigil]

What there is like 5, 7? A lot I know

[slim hamlet]

Can u cook up a build that makes the 5 min patchwerk PI sims go in our favour again?

[left sundial]

How can i open log hell

P

[subtle tundra]

last phase looked easy

[robust axle]

Yep, a 6cp envenom is 7seconds

[idle canyon]

kk lemme go test it out

[balmy condor]

6cp is 6 seconds

That one I know

[left sundial]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[balmy condor]

Can’t remember my own m+ builds but I know for sure envenom is 1 second per cp

[limber lion]

Yeah, used to be 1+cp but was nerfed for DF

[robust axle]

Even if its pandemic?

[slim hamlet]

wat

[balmy condor]

Well pandemic is variable

[slim hamlet]

Why would u ever think about pandemic

[balmy condor]

For tier obviously

[slim hamlet]

But then u wouldnt say 6cp = 7 seconds

[idle canyon]

ah so ur saying just throw up like a 3 point rupture for 1 min windows?

[balmy condor]

But a max pandemic 6cp envenom is 7.8 technically

[idle canyon]

empowered

[balmy condor]

Max pandemic on a 5cp is 6.5

[robust axle]

If you need to refresh inside KB/dance, then yes

[lavish isle]

so which build ur using for m+ 17-20 ?

guys

[balmy condor]

What, no

[left sundial]

İ tought this gameplay everything fine but its my lowest parse i saw in my wow gametime can someone help big mistakes. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RFpzDgfqxmwC8hHd#fight=32&type=damage-done&source=16

[balmy condor]

You always envenom into your shiv-dance+kb

[burnt prism]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

sorry u just said we shouldn't listen to you, I will now be doing it

[balmy condor]

But on deathmarks it has to be 5+

[manic quartz]

would it be good practise to slam envenom if youre either ~1sec on your envenom dropping and if youre 240+ energy.

[balmy condor]

Without dm, 4+

[idle canyon]

oh okay, with what he linked he said to garrote/mut/envenom/mut/rup

in 1 min

[balmy condor]

That’s after the kingsbane

[idle canyon]

ohh

[robust axle]

I said that too

[balmy condor]

Env - (dm) - shiv - dance+kb - gar - env

Is the combo every minute

Every time

No exceptions

[idle canyon]

k so we not worried about empowering rupture then

[balmy condor]

Generally not, no

You’d rupture in dance if it’s gonna fall off

[robust axle]

No, not unless you need to refresh it inside Dance/KB windows

[balmy condor]

But otherwise just slamming envenoms

[lime crypt]

if i wanna sim for dungeon, do i do dslice? or just go patchwerk and fuck it?

[idle canyon]

kk, but for some reason my timings was it was falling off mid kingsbane every single time, is that not normal

so he was just telling me to throw up a rupture mid kingsbane im assuming

[balmy condor]

that’s not really normal, no

[balmy condor]

Dslice

[lime crypt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/947837234319622154.webp?size=48&name=saddy&quality=lossless

[balmy condor]

Like it definitely happens

But not regularly

[slate crown]

Are you refreshing your ruptures in pandemic? Most of the time my rupture isn't falling off during KB

[idle canyon]

ah that maybe the problem, i was just waiting for my empowered one to fall off from my opener and applying it insta

[slate crown]

I guess that wouldn't matter for total uptime as long as you are doing 4+ and not having downtime otherwise

I mean I do that too and I don't run into that problem

[idle canyon]

then my next 1 was in kingsbane

[worthy heart]

during my 1mins i always rupture, i need to right?

[idle canyon]

idk lol, but ive been hitting a dummy for a while and every kingsbane i have rupture falling

[dawn flame]

Today in mythic raid, stealth randomly fall off before pulling timer, someone experience this today? Its quite annoying

[lime crypt]

i was learning my rota in raid

(it didnt go well)

[manic quartz]

some aug stuff takes you out from stealth and monk healers the beam heal.

[lime crypt]

my pi bot was not impressed

[dawn flame]

Thank you! I tried to found whats causing this but without success. Never had this problems before.

[hallow stirrup]

Am I ok to post logs for help here? Not sure what I'm doing wrong but im way below my sims

[old halo]

shiving on adds is pretty fun for lower keys with shock build lol

[visual kelp]

I got a maybe stupid question but i'm going to ask anyways. I see a lot of sin rogues running around 10% vers is there a reason why they do this?

[old halo]

we do what the robot tells us to do

[visual kelp]

k

thats make sense

[limber lion]

stats do not matter

[spice spire]

Bender pfp, listen to robots

[old halo]

robot says this is my best currently

[spice spire]

Replace whispyr with literally any green name/orange

[cunning locust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[limber lion]

I feel like I'm the one shitting on stats the most here

[slim hamlet]

good meme. Just unlucky that we can't read it

[spice spire]

Have been for years king

[limber lion]

I literally have no clue what my stats are like

[spice spire]

Who cares

[limber lion]

Haven't looked at that shit since BFA

[spice spire]

Trinkets and weapons? Robot tells me rest

[limber lion]

In Legion it kinda mattered slightly bit more because stats did not DR and haste was useless for our spec

but ever since the haste rework and dr on stats, nothing matters

[hard plaza]

anyone running the Acro build in M+?

[gentle belfry]

would it be highly suboptimal in certain cases to run a generalized M+ talent setup? utility nodes aside

[coral shard]

What is optimal Witherbark timing?

[hard plaza]

found moving from outlaw to Sin and losing Acro i was standing out of tange so much

is it that much of a loss?

[spice spire]

Just make sure all 3 are active on final tick of kb. Robot has 1/1/7

[hushed fable]

I wish I would run acro in fall due to fucken drakes having shitty small hitbox and majority of tanks are like "Oh yeah I can hit that while it stands in goo" and I'm like... "well I can't reach it without standing in a goo" But other than that I don't really see a reason to run acrobatic strikes. Tea is too stronk to pass on.

[spice spire]

No

[coral shard]

Im having the same issue

[coral shard]

alright easy enough, thank you

[spice spire]

I mean yes but less of a loss than not hitting the boss

We’re talking single digit %

It’s nothing like 40% loss or anything crazy

[hard plaza]

ah right ok

well thats fine then

losing thistle is a bit meh

but that could also just be more noticable for me as im bad

[trim silo]

Is there a soft cap on stats at all? Sitting at 47% crit with flask and it just looks a bit high lol

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[slate crown]

It is only a bit high if the robot is telling you to pick other stats

[coral shard]

Oh, it it not possible to grab acro without losing thistle?

[trim silo]

Okay thank you 🙂

[slate crown]

No, there are a variety of ways to get acro

[spice spire]

Yeah there’s a lot of ways

[hard plaza]

i was just running the one from wowhead

[spice spire]

I forget the recommended way

[slate crown]

Personally I like dropping Deeper and picking it up, I don't like losing tea

[limber lion]

ditching tea + vigor

[slate crown]

But tea is a way to get it

[spice spire]

Oh nvm.
This mf knows

Retired and he still fucks with the lights on. Unreal

[gentle belfry]

What is the most generalizable talent setup for M+?

[limber lion]

Hybrid

But doesn't really matter

They all perform very similarly

[dapper hound]

!dagger