assassination

[slim hamlet]

Yea there are 20 m+ builds

[storm forum]

I'm sure sub in m+ is fine up to 3k

[slim hamlet]

pick and choose between what u need and prefer

[desert spire]

How do you sim the runes?

[cursive jungle]

idk if this one is good or nah https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVFRRFURQmJBQCUQNVURUVUZUEEoVQBF

[slim hamlet]

weapon runes?

[cursive jungle]

[desert spire]

Yeah

[slim hamlet]

That is certainly one of the builds of all time

if u play a key where u are not using CT often and it's high tyran keys it's good

[cursive jungle]

yea, i'm doing 25 this week

[waxen oyster]

council build?

[slim hamlet]

idk how to do the string thing to see all of them at once, but u can hit the extra options at the bottom and choose the different runes, one quick sim at a time and compare

[desert spire]

Yes, weapon runes. They arent showing up when I sim.

[lucid rain]

yeah that's the raid + IC build

totally viable

[slim hamlet]

Probably fine for dawn dungeons

would rather have CT over amp + fatal for any other dungeon

[desert spire]

Yeah, I seen that but It keeps doing something odd for damage out put.

[lucid rain]

any dungeon where you can do a big pull with a high hp mob in it

[slim hamlet]

also

Imp ambush is probably not the play

was already not the play last week

and now blindside is nerfed

[lucid rain]

oh I didn't see that lol

[slim hamlet]

depending on gear even pure st tight spender can be better

quite a bit better for me even

[desert spire]

Yeah tiny toxic blade seems to be more damage.

[slim hamlet]

I mean if u are going that build u dont give a shit about aoe

already

[storm forum]

Ok ttb+tight spender sounds unhinged in a bad way

Maybe not tight spender

[slim hamlet]

Tight spender is fo sho the go

[ancient rain]

i keep wondering if using ashes is better than branch if im not timing the branch perfectly

[storm forum]

But ttb sounds awful over blindside

[slim hamlet]

ttb already seems bad in normal ap build

[storm forum]

Cause I wanna exist on boss fights

[slim hamlet]

u dont need to worry so much about branch

[lavish wagon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim hamlet]

make sure u got last orb so u got the buff for all of KB and it's better than ashes by a bit

and also download lowii branch wa

gg ez

[lucid rain]

think about how much energy blindside saves versus the, what, 70 every 1 minute you get from ttb?

[slim hamlet]

ttb does legit nothing

[storm forum]

Ashes is supposedly better for the Aug buffing you, if you care about that

[slim hamlet]

idk

[lucid rain]

yeah shiv already does no damage

so amping it doesn't do much

[slim hamlet]

how would aug change anything non-vers non-crit related?

the more main stat u got the better secondary stats get

so aug should make branch even better than ashes no?

[storm forum]

Idk, but max and jpc and maybe whispyr mentioned it

[slim hamlet]

I mean it could be

I dont see how it makes sense tho

[shrewd shell]

Meh, I don't know what to choose. Already have BIS trinket, but I guess Pip is good for fights like Fyrakk, council ? I loose 1k in full mono with pip. I gain 1k with legs but that's not the set we want

[slim hamlet]

Why do u have priest tmog on a rogue

[storm forum]

Me neither, that's why I said supposedly, cause people smarter than me said it while not being able to verify it myself

[slim pebble]

I see that you crafted a weapon. Congrats on your 489 nick next week

[agile osprey]

[slim hamlet]

"probably stabs" - insta delete

huh

[slim pebble]

@lucid rain sir.

[shrewd shell]

Yeah I took the risk

[lucid rain]

[tall rose]

Can someone help me with the kingsbane burst window. I've looked at logs for too rogues but it seems they are all somewhat doing it different. I've looked at rotation on method, icy veins and wowhead and both have it different. Any help would be appreciated

[slim hamlet]

[slim hamlet]

dont make your kb set in stone

have Shiv up for all of it

envenom up for all of it

tea at under 6 sec left

vanish at under 3 sec left

full spam during it

gg ez

[feral basin]

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9 is your friend

[tall rose]

Ok. Thanks.

[slim hamlet]

oh or steal that

[tall rose]

Oooh a nice.

[feral basin]

I found it really helpful for learning

It changes dependant on ur cds also

[slim hamlet]

I wonder what makes tight spender so much worse for bis list, but better for my gear

[fast phoenix]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[quaint hull]

haste

[slim hamlet]

thought it could be haste, but idk imp ambush also helps with that indirectly

it's not like I got low haste either

[quaint hull]

Having high haste makes tight spender better, no?

[slim hamlet]

what

no

or well I wouldn't assume so

since it directly helps with energy which u get more of with haste

[quaint hull]

Well, if your natty haste regen is good enough tight spender will prob keep you above 50 percent for longer.

Exactly.

you do more damage when energy is above 50 percent generally.

simming is great.

[slim hamlet]

idk wouldn't imp ambush basically help with that just as much

[regal kiln]

anyone got a caustic spatter wa for me pls ?

[slim hamlet]

and also It's not like I got a lot of haste either

[quaint hull]

no, imp ambus just gives more cp.

[slim hamlet]

bis list has 1k more haste

[slim hamlet]

yes which makes u use less builders to maintain uptime?

[quaint hull]

yes, but finishers and builders both use energy

[slim hamlet]

yes?

[quaint hull]

you do more damage when energy is above 50 percent

[slim hamlet]

Yes but that makes no sense

ofc imp ambush helps with energy

[quaint hull]

ambush is proc based.

[slim hamlet]

if u click the spender on more cp there is more seconds until u gotta do it again

[quaint hull]

variation is higher

[slim hamlet]

= less energy used

[fickle cargo]

Hi guys! Anyone else have issues with MW monks that getting you out of stealth while healing with Unison?

[slim hamlet]

u sure it's that?

[spice spire]

Yes

But it’s a statue iirc

[slim hamlet]

monks and bugs

They go hand in hand

n00b

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
• Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
• some mistweaver thing related to their statue

[spice spire]

There’s a fucking command

There we go

[fallow canopy]

oh my god, I finally know what was doing that I thought my keyboard or mouse was acting up lmao

[safe iron]

Just came back to playing wow again after many years. Am I wrong in assuming that there isn't any crit caps, mastery caps or any caps like that in the game anymore?

[slim hamlet]

nop

you would be right

Caps only exists for frost mage and frost dk afaik

[safe iron]

Alright, thanks! 🙂

[grand flume]

ok this might seem like a dumb question, but does Potent mastery only apply to currently applied bleeds, for e.g if i used witherbarks branch will i need to apply new bleeds for it to be effective?

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[regal kiln]

anyone got a caustic spatter wa for me pls ?

[slim hamlet]

Everything is dynamic for bleeds and poisons besides nightstalker

[grand flume]

ok thanks

[gloomy dust]

Can any one explain why a haste/vers item would sim better than a haste/crit item?

[waxen oyster]

yeah you have alot of crit

the end

[slim hamlet]

u prob got no vers or a lot of crit yea

[gloomy dust]

Crit 4,2k vers 1,3

prolly that then, ty 🙂

[waxen oyster]

yeah...

not probably

it is

[gloomy dust]

yeah fair 😛

[slim hamlet]

Well

I don't believe u

[steel stump]

Lies

[waxen oyster]

larodar ring at 486 was 3k dps over my old 447 socket one

[teal sierra]

I saw a nice WA on Zerocool's UI but I cannot find it. Also looking for such a weak aura.

[waxen oyster]

since i only had 1.3k haste

[sudden brook]

How fast can you push dm in opener on tindral to get it up sooner for first shields

[woven frost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

There is an accelerated which makes u get it like 3 seconds faster

and also some super accelareted one which would get it even faster but kinda cursed idk

[mighty nexus]

just tell your team to stop dps so your cds fit in better

[sudden brook]

That's not how tindral works

[royal lantern]

garrote->snd->cp until envenom->shiv->dm+kb->garrote->rupture/envenom

[slim hamlet]

^ is the one I am thinking of

for the ~3 sec faster

[royal lantern]

aka you skip the opener rupture

and instead apply it during the dm start

[steel stump]

By how much do you miss it ? What difficulty is it ?

[slim hamlet]

skipping snd/envenom for even faster is kinda int opener

[woeful meteor]

mythic

[sudden brook]

If you do standard opener shield breaks with like 6 seconds left on kb

[mighty nexus]

I’d probably skip envenom over snd tbh

[waxen oyster]

nah do it on hc to pad on roots harder

/s

[sudden brook]

I assume u forgot to say shiv here

[slim hamlet]

yea

[waxen oyster]

spatter those later kb ticks

[slim hamlet]

u def want shiv

[quaint hull]

scuffed opener isnt int if it lines up better with amps

[rancid meadow]

better to stack haste or mast for raid ?

[slim hamlet]

Depends on if the amps matter enough to do half your opener dmg

guessing it doesnt on tindral shields

I was talking about no snd/envenom opener, not just no rup opener

[sudden brook]

Half your opener damage?

No way this half's your opener damage

[quaint hull]

Its not

9you just delay the rupture for after KB garrote.

[slim hamlet]

Nono was overexaguration and that is not the one u are talking about Guy

Deriv just didn't read my message

[sudden brook]

Ah okay

[sudden brook]

U mean like dm shiv dance kb garrote rupture

Or something else

[small garnet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dj4Px3cpb8NhKzwH#fight=1&type=damage-done

surely i learned something right

[royal lantern]

ye sorry

[small garnet]

hopefully no 275 ppl deadge

[tacit charm]

why no caustic spatter?

[small garnet]

it was normal didnt think it be worth it

[sudden brook]

Also the only thing I've been doing with branch is making sure I have 3 stacks for 10 seconds of kb, is that better than extending it or what

[royal lantern]

you just wanan collect 2 orbs fast and then delay the last orb 5-7 seconds

i just always collect 2, and then more or less wiggle 1-2 seconds and let the last come so you have a it for the full duration and the big buff for most of it if possible

[slim hamlet]

The only thing that matters is having it for all of KB, I also begin getting it with 10 sec left on KB

[real pike]

my attempt at getting PI tonight

sadge

[slim hamlet]

He is not talkative with u

[cold pulsar]

Hello, hope you are all well. I was wondering how to maximuze "Sudden Demise" damage. what is the trick because there is 8 million damage gap between me and the next rogue so I know i am missing something. do they just spread bleeds all over when the pack is below 35%?

[cursive smelt]

We agree, the nerves are violent, right?

[real pike]

he knows what I'm after

[mighty nexus]

My priest kept PI’ing me with 2 seconds on pull timer last night, so hopefully yours is better

[steel stump]

PI is a mating dance bro

[sudden brook]

Has anybody tried that opener on tindral, does dm come up before shield or what

What's the timer look like

[tacit charm]

yes it does

if you do accelerated opener it comes up like right as you land

[sudden brook]

Nice

[slim hamlet]

People were talking about using it on tindral for sure

[real pike]

accelerated opener? snd then rup inside SD?

[royal lantern]

ye

its just

do opener

and skip rupture

and instead rupture inside deathmark

[lucid rain]

https://youtu.be/o42C6ajjqWg?t=38

how I imagine it

[slim hamlet]

https://youtu.be/pUCMW1aJUZs?t=640

If anyone needs it in video talk about the accelerated one btw

[steel stump]

I get PIed by our SP so he sends on CD when I don't have kb up on nimue because of the add phase

[lime plume]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[cobalt violet]

is macroing ashes of embersoul to kingsbane or DM much of a dps loss?

[slim hamlet]

ideally u would want it 6 seconds into KB

[lucid rain]

Nothing quite like getting PI when you have nothing to put in it

[silver escarp]

Heya! I dunno if it was answered already but.. Does the macro with Dance+kingsbane apply the nightstalker buff to king please? Isn't the macro a bit too fast for that to work ?

[slim hamlet]

M+ PI's is the worst

[lucid rain]

if shadow dance is first in the macro, it will work

[slim hamlet]

Random ass PI's right after your CD's because they just heard PI is good on yellow class

[mighty nexus]

If you have dance before kb, you’re good

[steel stump]

at least in m+ your disc kinda has to track cds

in raids they dont bother

[slim hamlet]

u would think

[silver escarp]

Okay thanks

[mighty nexus]

I asked my priest if he could PI me like 10 seconds after pull and he said “sorry bro, PI is macro’d to something else”

[silver escarp]

Well add a "pi me" in whispers for ur priest

[glass raptor]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[real pike]

that'll just annoy and get you even less chance

[slim hamlet]

wtf does he mean macro'd to something else

does bro just macro it to smite

[mighty nexus]

I kept getting it with 2 sec left on pull timer and I’m just like ??????

[lucid rain]

[royal lantern]

if you wanna macro it, macro with kingsbane

[slim hamlet]

bro macros it to his priest raid buff

[silver escarp]

Well my priest asked me to do it so i guess it's fine :p

[normal mist]

Mine too actually

[slim hamlet]

most priests have a whisper weakaura

that makes your frame glow up when u whisper somethign specific

[royal lantern]

mate

its almost 2024

they have a wa that tracks assinged cd's

lol

[slim hamlet]

If your priest is too lazy to do that, I hope it aint mythic prog

[slim hamlet]

nono

that exists... yes

[waxen oyster]

i just say im playing outlaw

[slim hamlet]

does it mean it's used?

[waxen oyster]

if i dont get PI

works

[slim hamlet]

no definitely not

[slim hamlet]

That's one harsh threat

[gaunt ocean]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[steel stump]

do you know the name of that wa so I can take a look ? we need to optimize that

[waxen oyster]

i still do it in pug keys to get annoyed less by bad pulls

[royal lantern]

well, our priest does

no annyoing whipser macro

[small garnet]

does this do anything btw?

[storm forum]

It gives you a defensive buff depending on the target indefinitely

[real pike]

am I right healer PI should go to UH DK and DPS PI to us?

[waxen oyster]

flavor buffs

[slim hamlet]

https://wago.io/search/pi

there is an endless sea

[royal lantern]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[waxen oyster]

mechanical and beast are the most fun

[slim hamlet]

bait pic

[steel stump]

Yeah I think one with whisper would be best we have assignments

[waxen oyster]

humanoid changes by day

[lime plume]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[royal lantern]

your mom is a bait pic

❤️

[slim hamlet]

[storm forum]

Mechanical is the most useful cause it gives a mini cheat death, but I've been liking elemental for water walking in the open world (also 1% reduced fire damage for raid is something maybe idk)

[slim pebble]

Where are my tree daggers

[slim hamlet]

mechanical is somewhat worth to even think about in m+

10% perma speed in any instance is best without a doubt tho

[celest marlin]

Yo how we doin after nerf?

[serene shell]

there used to be a !log option where otehr players can give review over our logs is it still around ?

[slim pebble]

Playing the game

[slim hamlet]

nop

[waxen oyster]

well

[celest marlin]

is Dance+Kings still the bis raid spec?

[limpid ridge]

Delete the Rogue and roll WW

[waxen oyster]

i wont comment further on mechanical

[limpid ridge]

Spec is dead

[hearty reef]

why is the tooltip of my kingsbane saying lower numbers ?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-6153870554148391864

I would advise not hovering over blindside

[hearty reef]

[storm forum]

Yeah, still dance/ds/tea/kb/dtb/ap capstones

[waxen oyster]

mechanical is alot of healing

if used properly

[royal lantern]

beat you there

[storm forum]

Damn

You could have 2% reduced fire damage?

That's fucked up

[royal lantern]

that icon is actually sick, ngl

[slim hamlet]

perma proccing through a whole dungeon was like 1 mil healing

[runic hinge]

New pfp inc

[slim hamlet]

idk about that

[waxen oyster]

yeah it uhhh might not have a cd

[slim hamlet]

[storm forum]

Huh?

[waxen oyster]

raid it seems more random

[slim hamlet]

it has 3 min cd?

[waxen oyster]

heroic clear it didnt even proc

[waxen oyster]

technically

[slim hamlet]

[celest marlin]

Is Kirian spec stil lower?

[serene shell]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[slim hamlet]

idk what that means

[waxen oyster]

bonk the tank dummy

[celest marlin]

Echoing Repramand

[waxen oyster]

observe what happens

[slim hamlet]

yes

[slim hamlet]

cba flying to a mechanical mob

[waxen oyster]

the training dummies

[slim hamlet]

Only one I know of is in mechagon or outland

[waxen oyster]

are mech

[slim hamlet]

oh

[royal lantern]

man

[slim hamlet]

alright

[royal lantern]

im gonna change into dracthyr the second its avaible

[slim hamlet]

I got it

[royal lantern]

cant do it

[slim hamlet]

what now

[storm forum]

You can take it if you want long arms. A consideration if you think the extra range will give you better up time and more damage. For most fights and dungeons ranges hasn't been an issue though.

[waxen oyster]

just attack it

[slim hamlet]

would be helpful if I knew what I was looking for

[ancient rain]

guys should i collect my smolderon orbs first or just start blasting and wait for them to come to me

[royal lantern]

i just let them come

[storm forum]

I collect asap

[waxen oyster]

watch your hp

[slim hamlet]

it is full

oh

tank dummy

nvm

It definitely worked fine a week ago

sure it isnt just a dummy bug?

[waxen oyster]

still goes

[slim hamlet]

I am highly suprised if its not a dummy angle

It just procced 13 times in 10 seconds

[exotic pulsar]

I collect then step to boss insta. I refresh bleeds and get full CP b4 orbs so I can open with envenom into DM

[waxen oyster]

working as intended

[slim hamlet]

[royal lantern]

we now have too fight

[waxen oyster]

wonder if just taking a dip in larodar burning ground

[vast loom]

The buff doesn't refresh so as soon as you get 1 you want them all

[waxen oyster]

is the play

[storm forum]

🗡️🗡️

[slim hamlet]

using branch but picking up so u dont have for end of KB intentionally

[royal lantern]

chill, im pooling

[storm forum]

How long is smoldy buff again?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

[slim hamlet]

20

wait that was not the gif i clicked

well it works

[storm forum]

Ok, that's what I thought

That's a good full build up + full dm/kb

[toxic whale]

how bad is running crit/vers on lariat while playing sin?

[gaunt sigil]

Tight spender sims better in ST than Imp ambush for me. Sim bait?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/51ZRvjZjPKqVhAihZeqmKn

[acoustic roost]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[lime crypt]

is the strat to go undead in ToTT?

cuz crushing depths is basically running out of breath ye?

[steel stump]

I racechange every dungeon personally

[jade hedge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gaunt sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-brains-calculation-viral-head-gif-26479585

[royal lantern]

microtransactions love him

find out why

[tough whale]

envenom chains is more important than keeping sanguine up, right?

[steel stump]

it is

[royal lantern]

yes

[steel stump]

evenom uptime is everything out of kb

[tough whale]

Ty thought so, i just like hearing it from others

[keen spruce]

[manic quartz]

venom rush instead of flying daggers on tyra right?

[small garnet]

[slim hamlet]

[small garnet]

why cant i jsut be godtier assa without learning

[slim hamlet]

^

[lime crypt]

is that yes

[slim hamlet]

yes

[lime crypt]

i heard that its good to be undead in that dungeon

[clever sapphire]

Doesnt work, can confirm

[lime crypt]

oh fuck

[slim hamlet]

I can confirm it works

stop lying

😦

[lime crypt]

i was cooking good, but then

holdup

[small garnet]

nah but legit idk how much im still doing wrong tbh

[lime crypt]

so which one do i trust

[slim hamlet]

[small garnet]

where rank one dps with 448 ilvl

[clever sapphire]

The undead player

[lime crypt]

so it works on undead racial, but not on dagger passive

gotcha

@warcraftdevs

[wide whale]

are there any simple WA's to track number of targets you have garrote and rupture on?

[lime crypt]

why

[wide whale]

i find i let them fall off in aoe situations when i'm paying attention to envenom chains + caustic

[lime crypt]

oh what lvl of dungs do you do

[wide whale]

i mean i could just look at plater, but it gets hectic, having a nice easy number to look at somewhere would be helpful

19-21s

[tame tangle]

when to use dm in smold

[real sphinx]

I play with a mage and DH. I have learned to play into the prio damage category

[thorn fjord]

@slim hamlet vault good?

[slim hamlet]

Nah

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/that-hurts-al-bundy-married-with-children-ouch-thats-painful-gif-23009627

[slim hamlet]

Got myth pips to parse heroic and for m+ I guess

sims worse on 4+ mins fights than heroic signet

[thorn fjord]

Trinket always a little interesting tbh

[small garnet]

being 18k down on my sim is okay? idk man i feel so shit on this c lass

[thorn fjord]

I got a 489 sandglass 🤷‍♂️

[slim hamlet]

pretty noice

[thorn fjord]

Already had the 483 tho

[slim hamlet]

time to parse on 2 min heroic fights

[thorn fjord]

We killed almost every boss yesterday right when I got PI and DM was back up lmao

Very sad

[small garnet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XfwWNygm1TZJ4zVq#fight=40&type=damage-done

[devout saffron]

Is there somewhere I can read about branch and it's correct usage?

[small garnet]

this one wasnt too bad i guess

[real sphinx]

Some dirty dev evoker tried taking my pi last night

[slim hamlet]

Look at these juicy kill timers

Besides tindral

[lime crypt]

yes, you take 2 insta and then wait like 7-9 secs

for third one

[grand trail]

i feel kinda weak on heroic fryakk as sub

not sure what build or how to play there

[devout saffron]

Thanks

[slim hamlet]

respec

[lime crypt]

no problemo

[broken ibex]

Could always be worse. You could have been in on the 11min Nymue kill

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[royal lantern]

could always be worse, you could have been on the Larodar kill where your pull KB gets parried

[slim hamlet]

4.5% Bloodlust uptime

Aware

[uneven bronze]

how do you use ashes cuz i remember it not being sent cd with kingsbane ? how long into kingsbane before you send it

[slim hamlet]

6 sec into kb

[uneven bronze]

ty

[lucid rain]

shadowstep/kb macro

[runic hinge]

It’s 3

[runic hinge]

It’s 3 seconds into KB

If you use LE’s wa you can have a sound play when you want to hit it. That’s what I do

[slim hamlet]

Wait yea 3 seconds

me dumb

[runic hinge]

It’s alright there’s a lot of things to remember

[uneven bronze]

ty

[glacial estuary]

is it normal for every pack to be dead halfway through kingsbane when running + 20-21 keys. By the time i get my dots out everything is getting smoked

I am picking out the big mobs but doesnt seem to matter

[royal lantern]

yes

[crisp pine]

Tyrannical is rough

[royal lantern]

if you play with the current meta classes

yes

[crisp pine]

bm dh are rough

everythings rough

The secret is to stack avoidance
So you can avoid dhs in your group

[keen spruce]

if you avoid classes to get your KB to run for an entire trash pack

then the pack is not dying fast enough

and you're not timing keys

[brazen oasis]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[crisp pine]

I'm not in here to time keys

[keen spruce]

just embrace that you're gonna get about 5-6s of KB value on a normal pack

[worthy heart]

i know it's kind of a meme, but what build should i use for gnarlroot mythic and igyra?

[waxen oyster]

i swear the old dagger command was better

[royal lantern]

raid with spatter

you use that for everyting that is not 100% 1target only

[waxen oyster]

raid with spatter applies to most bosses

[worthy heart]

ok

[waxen oyster]

that arent nymue or volc

[royal lantern]

forgot smoldy

[waxen oyster]

spec swap sub

lol

[royal lantern]

nah

fuck sub

im a top

[worthy heart]

i've been going full st cause i'm a outlaw player and dont understand anything other than blade flurry goes brrrrr

[royal lantern]

(im not)

[worthy heart]

ty

[waxen oyster]

i played sin on hc smoldy

without an on use is kinda cringe

[pine dew]

do i really wait for pandemic for envenom? and just chill when i am not capping enegery

outside of cds

[waxen oyster]

99 without PI or an on use was funny

[keen spruce]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[keen spruce]

yes

[waxen oyster]

timing was bad this week boss died mid final kb

[leaden thicket]

do you fine people have a preference of ashes vs branch at same ilvl? or is this a 'sim thyself' angle

[low sable]

No, its because branch is only better if you min max the orb pick up, so you get 1 stack for 10 seconds, 2 stacks for another 10 seconds, and a 3rd for another

[deft vault]

ashes worse but easier

branch better but harder to play

[deft vault]

thats not true tho

you insta pick up 2 and wait 6-7 sec before pîcking mup the third

[low sable]

if you pick up all 3 orbs instantly is it better?

[lunar helm]

whispyr has it listed the ideal ways to pick it up. believe he said as long as you are going 1/1/4 -1/1/7 range (in seconds) you are getting good usage

[leaden thicket]

ahhh right, that makes sense. I'll try out branch and see how it feels. thanks all

[manic quartz]

is pips good in m+?

got mythic from vault

[low sable]

its ur bis not on use stat stick

according to bloodmallet

[manic quartz]

so pretty good 😄 thanks!

[waxen oyster]

bloodmallet is generic gear

not your

[low sable]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear

[glacial estuary]

one more question. Are you supposed to tab target mutilate for caustic slime dmg at a certain number of mobs

[keen spruce]

Even playing branch wrong, it’s still better than ashes

[glacial estuary]

or is it always 1 mob an FoK at 3+

[keen spruce]

Unless you’re just like.. not getting an orb

[keen spruce]

Caustic can only be on one target at a time

But you will be tabbing to rupture sometimes

[glacial estuary]

ohh i see im dumb

got it

[woven frost]

Not dumb. This was good question.

[spare kettle]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[modest sundial]

Does Caustic do spatter based on your position or your targets?

[royal lantern]

target

[keen spruce]

Spatter is based off of target

[royal lantern]

10yards from target

[waxen oyster]

whats the point of this

vault and general drops will decide whats bis for you

[low sable]

Its apparently really good according to that aswell, which is written by whispyr

[waxen oyster]

its a good trinket

[low sable]

and no, ur bis is your bis, an upgrade is something different than ur bis

[waxen oyster]

but so is sandglass

or brand

[wide whale]

who's General Drops?

[split flame]

What secondary stats are people putting on their life binding belt with toxic patch ?

[waxen oyster]

not everyone has the same gear

[low sable]

Exactly, doesnt change the fact your bis is your bis

Like i said, just because its a dps increase, doesnt make it your bis

it just means its an upgrade

Like I have mythic legs

which is better than my AD legs for assassination

Doesnt mean my teir legs is bis

cuz theres literally something better

[dapper hound]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[waxen oyster]

i dont think anyone suggests using tier legs

over offpiece legs

[modest sundial]

thanks, if spatter is from target and we have pressed kingsbane at the same time any reason the other rogue in my guild is doing 50% more caustic damage to spears on igira?

[waxen oyster]

tier legs are probably most realistic one to get 489

[low sable]

well my legs are mythic, which is better than hero 6/6 AD legs

[waxen oyster]

since you dont have to hope for vault rng

[low sable]

sims better

does more damage

[waxen oyster]

thats because of the agility yeah

[low sable]

Yeah

so

[waxen oyster]

bis lists in general are kind of a dated concept

[low sable]

I think we're both arguing

[waxen oyster]

from pre legion

[low sable]

a redundant point

1st of all sim right>

[waxen oyster]

barring some trinkets that blatantly overperform

[low sable]

Yeah but they over perform

for a reason

you min max the hsit out of them

theres a reason its like 30% better

no1 min maxes that trinket like that

is it good? sure

does it perform like the sim suggests?

fuck no

[waxen oyster]

i mean depends how you play

[low sable]

ofc

[waxen oyster]

but humans arent perfect

[low sable]

Well like i said

[royal lantern]

i am

[low sable]

I think were both arguing for the wrong reason

[waxen oyster]

honestly you could argue fall legs are technically bis since they come with a free tert

[royal lantern]

[waxen oyster]

that isnt on the stat budget

lmfao

[quaint hull]

If spatter is based on your ST. from poisons and he has more spatter damage, its most likely because he probably just does more damage than you, period,

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nMzEMjK4Wd46zzwTfn2CeL does anything look out of order here im doing really REALLY bad compared to my other previous raid runs (dks are getting the PIs atm so that might be it as well

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure its possible to have double leech fall legs

[low sable]

are you in ST build ?

that seems low for your i lvl

[waxen oyster]

just the chances of getting that 489 are beyond low

[modest sundial]

on ST fights we are basically dead even i really cant work it out

[quaint hull]

Its pretty ez to work out in a log.

[strange python]

i think thats fyrakk/tindral build

[waxen oyster]

spatter is also position based

like bladeflurry isnt it

[waxen oyster]

this isnt a raid build

[strange python]

sorry yeah i'll post the raid one in a minute but then again idk i will have to share logs to really talk about it maybe im doing something really wrong

[waxen oyster]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4LNz7KmQb1vBMJgY#fight=31&type=casts&source=1&view=events

no tea on end of kb

[quaint hull]

Do you have a source on that? Sorry, I am just trying to find out if its based on target or rogue position.

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kMm753EnbpZNuNJf7GKSaq

[lime crypt]

which one do you guys go for in CR wrists?

anti critical malf
or lower chance of malf?

[forest oasis]

is the drop rate on nick of time actually .3%?

wowhead says .3%

[waxen oyster]

vague wording who knows

[boreal sky]

What is the deal with Signet Brand?

I feel like sometimes it does good dam, like it did 10k dps on larodar

but on igira it did like 190k total damage

less than 1k dps

[quaint hull]

Depends on length of fight. If you are a normal raid andy it might not be the move.

[wispy apex]

I'm sure this has been asked a million times. Is there a way to manage Witherbark branch? Like a way to see those orbs better.

[waxen oyster]

its a proc damage trinket

[waxen oyster]

clean up your UI

[quaint hull]

Brand starts doing dmg around the 4 min mark.

[boreal sky]

hmm

Our havoc's consistently also deals way more than mine but I guess that might just be a havoc thing

[quaint hull]

Which is why the RWF rogues ran it.

[waxen oyster]

its good on long fights yes

only reason i kind of want one for fyrak

[quaint hull]

Havocs are different yes. Dont compare trinkets with other classes.

[waxen oyster]

over sandglass

havoc has always triggered damage proc trinkets alot

[quaint hull]

If you are a Mythic Raider you want Brand otherwise prob not.

[boreal sky]

Is it not rppm? So it's like, normalised or whatever?

[waxen oyster]

although my sandglass has avoidance

[modest sundial]

whats the best way to see how many stacks your kingsbane got to in a log?

[quaint hull]

Classes are just different. Havocs have a lot more rapid ticking abilities and shit.

[queen mango]

Havoc also has talents that affect trinket damage

[quaint hull]

soulscar, hunt, immo, rage fire, eyebeam, bs bs bs bs bs bs,

tthat one bs that echoes dmg, timestrike that echos dmg

its a class thing

[waxen oyster]

arent talents whitelisted from buffing trinkets

nowadays

maybe not initiative crit

[quaint hull]

he said affect. not directly buff.

[waxen oyster]

iirc doesnt their crit damage talent buff trinket damage

remember havoc beacons crit dumb hard

[quaint hull]

depends on class, but it was good because of their infinite crit chance, not necessarily any amps, but i dont play havoc.

[waxen oyster]

i definitely remember seeing some massive trinket crit numbers from havoc

and they dont even stack vers

[quaint hull]

I know sub-rogue symbols and shadow dmg amps boosted the beacon to hit a mil. ANd Monk mastery increased trinket damage so they also could hit for millions.

[waxen oyster]

i could have sworn sub the only thing that buffed trinkets was the crit increase from planned execution

[quaint hull]

Im prettyt sure you had talents that increased shadow damage. And the beacon did void, which was shadow damage.

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i definitely remember those were whitelisted a few patches ago though

like deeper daggers in SL did buff edge of night damage

[manic coral]

ghostly strike also buffed beacon until they fixed it

[waxen oyster]

yeah it used to buff all trinket damage

grieftorch piped so hard on outlaw

[normal mist]

did my first 20 (+2) this season, BRH with cleave build, it actually felt pretty good

[wide whale]

on avg, how what %age of your overall dungeon damage is timestrike?

with both nicks

[normal mist]

with both nicks

[wide whale]

yeah mines at around the same

[rotund mauve]

so when you take caustic splatter, do you FoK ever or always just mutilate?

[low sable]

I have 2 483 daggers, was 1.4%

[wide whale]

FoK to generate (if 3+), mutilate once to maintain spatter

[tawdry flint]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

caustic + tier goes BRRRRRRRRRRRR

[wide whale]

i need to get better at envenom chains

i let them drop constantly

[true imp]

has anyone else had an issue with mutilate automatically casting with no input? this happens multiple times per day and i have no idea whats causing it

drives me insane

[wide whale]

can't say i have

[normal mist]

you sure you aren't spamming muti and input delay just presses it whenever it is possible?

[true imp]

like i'll be pooling energy and all of a sudden my char just starts spamming mutilate. i have to deselect the target/turn around to make it stop

thats what i thought it was at first. but 3 globals in a row is a very long time for delayed input

[desert spire]

Is there a weakaura that can /whisper someone when you need Pi at specific?

[wide whale]

also what's your overall uptime look like?

[true imp]

you can just macro whisper into your cd button

[wide whale]

i think i do a pretty bad job at this

like i know where my dps is missing, but i cant do the things i need to do in a key when i'm stressing about dpsing and mechanics

[misty holly]

I picked up Witherbark Branch this weekend. My first day of raiding with it check logs and most of the time I just pick up all 3 orbs at once 😦

Think maybe this isnt the trinket for me

[crimson zephyr]

change random gloves with tier set (already have 4 bonus) or upgrade branch to hero track?

[wide whale]

sim it

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7AMCHj9xzfrb1aG8#fight=16&type=damage-done if anyone can make the time for it i really want to know how I can improve

[wide whale]

(but i'd take witherbark because i hate everbloom now and don't want to run it anymore)

[crimson zephyr]

I think I went in there 6 times and it dropped twice - I'm lucky (took me ages to get the daggers :p)

[crimson zephyr]

ok gonna read a sim guide then 🙂

[desert spire]

Yeah the only issue is the spam they might get lol.

[waxen oyster]

think im at least 30 everblooms without one

[normal mist]

on the 20 i just did

[acoustic pendant]

honestly this is a troll SIM

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rLY3mrfpK1RN9hcCQPJtfj

no way this neck is better than crit mastery one

lol

[true imp]

yeah lol, i usually tap it ~3 times. as a healer i'd find that helpful though. more noticeable

[mighty nexus]

No envenom before your first kb window for starters

[spice spire]

You have branch.
It kinda craters mastery

[desert spire]

/wrist lol

[acoustic pendant]

oh lol

[spice spire]

Sims smart

[acoustic pendant]

and that trinket, the signet does no dmg

idk

[waxen oyster]

sin stats arent really a big deal

besides they make other stats more valuable

[strange python]

anything more, make me feel stupid please i really wanna know anything to improve

[royal lantern]

not dying is a good way too do more dps

[strange python]

rotation wise

[waxen oyster]

i assume poisons proc the fire shield?

from that neck

[tawdry flint]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

I'd love for someone to help me out on my 3rd craft of the week. Its either a ring or a neck (i believe). Tried a quick gear compare but man the diff isnt that big, especially because i didnt put many options for the secundaries. (i actually should have put the crafted gear at 486)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uv9ZQ6CcC666VtkrL3Kct8i just put random gems on the neck

Is there any good way to find out which item could be better on my gear rn?

[waxen oyster]

crafted rings come with a free socket

[normal mist]

yes

[waxen oyster]

always gonna be one nice part about them

[void mesa]

Curiosity, I've had a bug lately where my character just, spams Mutilate even without inputs (like I'll cast it once and it'll go on a chain of like 7 in a row even if I cast other spells). Doesn't seem like a keyboard ghosting/repeating key issue since using escape to untarget and then retargeting fixes it. Anyone else having something similar?

[trail pier]

hi guys i just hit 70 as assasination rogue. can somebody link me a build i can respec to as i gear up? preferably a build that is well rounded for all contnet

[tawdry flint]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

[trail pier]

Raid - Dance
Raid - No Dance
Raid - Bone Spike
Mythic+ - Utilitarian
Mythic+ - Hybrid
Mythic+ - Arterial Shock
Mythic+ - Cleave

which one of these is recommended for all content as i gear up?

[normal mist]

for all content means doing ST and M+?

[mighty nexus]

Uhhh, depends how you plan on gearing up

Hybrid is good

[normal mist]

raid - dance

[waxen oyster]

they're situational

[normal mist]

and m+ arterial

[trail pier]

i think so yes

[waxen oyster]

literally just swap builds

[trail pier]

true

[waxen oyster]

idk whats the point of util

some hard acrobatic copium

[mighty nexus]

Isn’t that the one with acro?

[keen spruce]

the only reason

that there are so many

is because someone that's relatively well known

will play a build

and whispyr gets 70000 questions

so it gets added to the guide

[waxen oyster]

🤡

[keen spruce]

they're all the same

[waxen oyster]

"Why is streamer playing this"

newsflash streamers are often dum

[keen spruce]

they all perform within a couple % of eachother

does not matter

the new one technically more ST focused

[waxen oyster]

personally i feel acrobatic is only that great for outlaw

[mighty nexus]

util is for people who can’t take the training wheels off and not take acro

[trail pier]

whats the new one

[waxen oyster]

find the person who didnt play pre df rogue

basically

[keen spruce]

idk what name we landed on

oh it's just called cleave

boring

[mighty nexus]

pretty much I feel like fotm people are the whole reason there’s like 97 different builds rn

[waxen oyster]

me when i see dh "no mover" builds

and some of my old asf dh friends be like

"go play bm hunter if you cant play it"

[potent python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

same how i feel when reading "losing seal fate as sub hurts"

So you mean how sub was literally any recent expac that wasnt df

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wTb6LGJouY2ZRdCwB6mcHz

well the sim gods have spoken

haste crit ring it is

Or i could go for the versa crit one and enjoy a bit more of tankiness for keys........ since the diff isnt huge

[slim pebble]

That sounds like a healer problem

[trail pier]

what poisons does a assasination rogue use usual;ly

for raids & m+

[glacial grotto]

I guess im a haste/vers gemmer now what a day

[forest oasis]

what flask u guys using for m+? vers?

[normal mist]

with dtb for raid :

[trail pier]

ty

[normal mist]

if m+ without DTB, deadly and numbing poison

[trail pier]

whats dtb

[trail pier]

ah yes

[waxen oyster]

tbh

numbing in dungeons>

if you run double rogue you can have both

[woven frost]

I’ll toss on crippling for spooky weeks too

[normal mist]

same

[waxen oyster]

idk i dont play dtb

also only the ghost that fixates me matters

[crimson zephyr]

how can I open the loot window at a boss again

[sonic schooner]

./loot

@crimson zephyr

[glacial grotto]

how much dps gain is using ashes of ember 6~sec after DM

[crimson zephyr]

ty

[left sundial]

When energy starve best option to hold dots and wait minimum 100 energy for send envenom ?

[violet hollow]

ok lads it happened. so when do i use it? 😄

[jaunty ginkgo]

My 5 target dummy 2 min is always like 60k lower than my quick sim and I have no idea why

any ideas? 😅

[hollow olive]

What build you guys playing in keys this week? Arterial or hybrid?

[steel ridge]

Raidbuffs

[jaunty ginkgo]

raidbuffs are off

[plain onyx]

to me hybrid

[jaunty ginkgo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cngPPE5DN3UssmhSHtdy5Z

[spice spire]

You log them or?

[strange python]

I'm playing Arterial for the AOE shiv. Easy anti rage

[dark token]

@mediamarc this dropped on mythic and evoker got it gg

[jaunty ginkgo]

I'll log it now and send it

[raven bone]

Does Shiv stack? if I double send it?

[strange python]

No

[acoustic pendant]

when do we want to get PI ?

when we press kingsbane ?

or deathmark

[left sundial]

dm

[spice spire]

Difference is a second but it’s dm

[peak lake]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[strange python]

I can never get priests to line it up. They are always sending on CD

[waxen oyster]

i just play outlaw in keys to not get triggered by dumb priests

sometimes they still PI me despite the 2 giant thunderfuries on back

[left sundial]

let them learn dm macro for pi timings

[waxen oyster]

someone might eventually just make a WA

that makes a popup when kb is popped with dm up

[strange python]

Imo a good priest player is already looking at everyones cooldowns

[jaunty ginkgo]

@spice spire bit scuffed but... https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VRLXYrZ4xjhBqtNw#fight=1

[waxen oyster]

yeah uhh

good priest

emphasis

[strange python]

Yeah

Rare

Very rare

[waxen oyster]

much more common to see someone who's in angel form

on cd

[strange python]

True

[spice spire]

You’re not muting a lot

For spatter

[cerulean walrus]

[jaunty ginkgo]

I honestly feel like I have decent uptime on it no?

[swift magnet]

Larodar just removed the KB I applied as he transi'ed

[balmy condor]

probably a parry

[jaunty ginkgo]

I have ~90% uptime on spatter and that's including running away from dummies to reset

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7ckoX2KEP4K6QxFXUjh7Ho

[cerulean walrus]

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[strange python]

Smooth

[cerulean walrus]

People getting parried left and right

[gray crest]

just send all your cds with lust just for you to get bomb in the last phase like i did

[waxen oyster]

how much did the helm cost

[normal mist]

man i've no idea

i just clicked the thingy

and then BOOM

socket

[spice spire]

Envenom uptime low as well.
I’m also not 100% sure you snd in the opener since you’re on a timeline to spread your bleeds

[violet hollow]

dm

[swift magnet]

so that's a known thing?

that's messed up

[gray crest]

all im saying is that my mythic parses are doing too hot

[jaunty ginkgo]

I feel like the SnD can't be worth ~60k loss though. Envenom uptime is low but I find we have no time to use many when keeping everything else up?

[exotic epoch]

Is it just mut that applies caustic spatter or does ambush in dance apply it too?

[spice spire]

Ambush also applies

[strange python]

There was something about Ambush working too, but the tooltip doesn't say it still.

[waxen oyster]

i meant the mog one

[normal mist]

OH

100k

[fast phoenix]

Anyone have a breakdown of every ability needed to be cast during KB? Like amount of envenoms, garrote, rupture etc

I have the WA so know the shivs and thistle tea windows

[fast phoenix]

Yeah I read that already

Just curious how many envenoms people are getting in the window

[balmy condor]

depends

how lucky did you crit

[waxen oyster]

dont think theres a set number

[old halo]

varys by crits and ambush procs

[rustic minnow]

i swear this Nick of time dagger is a trap, my timestrike is always doing the tiniest amount

[waxen oyster]

crits/blindside procs

[waxen oyster]

its not in the stat budget

how is free damage bad

[rustic minnow]

i mean i could run a mythic one over a heroic track one. I havent gotten one in the fault yet

[swift magnet]

yes it's my guess but i'll check later

[slate talon]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[waxen oyster]

i mean you can sim 489 dagger vs 483 nick and see in the mh

in oh its going to be nick

[rustic minnow]

not in mh

[jaunty ginkgo]

@spice spire could you send a log? no worries if not realise it's a bit of an ask

[earnest remnant]

[spice spire]

I’m retired big dog

[balmy condor]

@spice spire send cocka and muy largo pelotas gracias

[spice spire]

On my way king

[wide mountain]

Hey everyone, want to run my understanding of the tier 4 pc by you guys. Once I’m in an envenom window I keep 4+ cp envenom by clipping the current buff around 1s for as many times in a row as I can.

Is this correct?

[balmy condor]

pretty much yeah

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[wide mountain]

Thank you!

[strange python]

Is it really down to just crits and ambush procs in the opener to make KB do wild damage? My crit rate is ass even while at 44%+ and I can only manage getting around 400-500k on burst with PI and lust. I'm certain I'm missing something with how consistent it feels.

[waxen oyster]

i need to see what the damage is natty w/o dirty aug taint

[balmy condor]

it's poison applications

[reef copper]

yow, i got a quick little question, what the dps value of a socket roundabouts? more than 800, or less?

[jaunty ginkgo]

just trying to improve

lol

[waxen oyster]

you can sim this

for the exact value on your gear

[forest notch]

random question. Are orange normal parses still a sign that youre doing your rotation right? or are they just like 0 skill involved?

[reef copper]

oy, cheers. will do that then. Thx chief

[strange python]

I know that it stacks on lethal applications. But I can never seem to get it to go any higher on pulls.

[balmy condor]

skill issue I guess

[whole seal]

hey is it worth playing Arterial shock this week cause of aoe shiv ?

[strange python]

[waxen oyster]

i mean its a good build in general

tho saving your shivs to remove enrage is not a thing

[runic hinge]

Are you keeping envenom up the whole time? And shiv? And pressing tea with 6 seconds left

[whole seal]

yeah.. but its just 23 and DH is pumping so second shiv could get something

[undone karma]

Am i just bad at sin or is 38% mastery unreasonably low to expect kingsbane to do any big damage? im starting to second guess myself here

[waxen oyster]

raging doesnt even do much anymore

[swift magnet]

how do I check for parries and such on WCL?

[waxen oyster]

do you get PI

[undone karma]

no

[waxen oyster]

rip

also check if you did kb proper

mastery is probs the least of your concerns

[undone karma]

ah, its priest diff then

[waxen oyster]

theres alot of factors

but doing a kb window proper matters

[undone karma]

I am doing kb properly, i think so atleast

but more mastery would help or?

[crimson zephyr]

came back 1-2 weeks ago, never played assa. I never did much pve so I don't know warcraftlogs much but is this decent? (still doing lots of mistakes) Seems to me even though it's blue, it's rather low no?

[undone karma]

like my highest stat is vers..

[waxen oyster]

consult the robot

[runic hinge]

Blue means better than half the people

[swift magnet]

blue with or without PI?

[crimson zephyr]

yeah

[crimson zephyr]

power infusion?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a good question, if you got blue without PI then it's the same blue as you would've had with PI, but slightly less blue

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

it's one of those "no two people see color the same" type of deals

[crimson zephyr]

we didnt had a priest but I had food and a phial

[runic hinge]

I think we all see the same colors.

[balmy condor]

that's the bare minimum

[quiet oar]

Idk maybe we are color blind??

[waxen oyster]

im just blind

[quiet oar]

You would think so

[balmy condor]

food, phial, weapon runes, potion

is just

[quiet oar]

But thats not the case

[balmy condor]

the standard

[quiet oar]

So may pug groups

Without phial and stuff

[crimson zephyr]

i think in normal pugs most don't do that? but never checked

[balmy condor]

I would hope they did

but yeah

you're in the slums

[quiet oar]

Just use vers flask

If you want to save gold

But its so much dmg

[balmy condor]

all manner of insanity is happening down in the depths of normal pugs

[quiet oar]

For little effort

[crimson zephyr]

money is no problem

[runic hinge]

Nyume got me questioning wether I’m blue/green color blind

[crimson zephyr]

haha

[waxen oyster]

i tend to vers flask pug keys

mostly because i dont trust healers

[quiet oar]

Whats worse, a normal pug or this discord after nerfs

[balmy condor]

I didn't think I was color blind until I realized the tornados on smolderon have indicators right when they spawn

[quiet oar]

Nymue is so dumb

[balmy condor]

I haven't done a normal pug in a decade, would have no clue

[quiet oar]

You cant See shit

[waxen oyster]

nymue as melee

[bold temple]

for m+, sandlgass is better than coiled serpent?

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

probably

sim it

[runic hinge]

Sometimes I get stunned by the lines and I’m just like I didn’t ever see that

[limpid ridge]

Who of you cuties is that

[waxen oyster]

i watched a kill vid of nymue as ranged like

[limpid ridge]

[waxen oyster]

these guys literally do nothing

[crimson zephyr]

normal pug is great, no problem basically no deaths. clear in +-1h. fine for me.

[waxen oyster]

but the payphone gif

[dusty phoenix]

its not that bad honestly

[balmy condor]

damn bro doesn't even know how to read a chart properly to know that unholy is still better

unlucky

[crimson zephyr]

I like nyume

[quiet oar]

Nymue can be Bad