assassination

[plush tusk]

i can't xDDDD

[cursive owl]

pick your comfort

[normal mist]

Whatever you want

[cursive owl]

test what u feel better at

[agile fossil]

do YOU even know what you are trying to say

[solar night]

You don’t have 4 set and you are worried about min/maxing stats based on 489 ilvl.. hrm…….

[wind jungle]

Sin comfy in raid

[normal mist]

We are at a point in time where the 3 specs are really good, just pick your poison

[cursive owl]

having fun on a class is neccesary to play it well

[knotty dome]

i like both tbh so i want to know which one is better now

[torn merlin]

is there a chat where everyone responding isn't hardstuck 2800?

[digital coral]

Not if you’re BM. Huehuehue

[cursive owl]

pick your poison

[jaunty ginkgo]

there is no major issue to having more haste in the future because... STATS DONT MATTER

[solar night]

Say the guy with no 4 set on week 4

[knotty dome]

second surprise attack

[earnest remnant]

lets just take a breather

[sage shoal]

!wa

[earnest remnant]

no need to be dickheads

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[torn merlin]

Yeah, next time I'll make sure to not be hospitalized at the beginning of a patch

[earnest remnant]

hope all is well my guy

[cursive owl]

is it ok to block ppl so u dont see messages ?

[normal mist]

Yes

[earnest remnant]

ofc

[solar night]

That sounds like an excellent plan. I truly hope you are in good health now.

[cursive owl]

ty

[earnest remnant]

just no need to be assholes for the sake of being one

[cursive owl]

yes

[plush tusk]

be a morty mate

[cursive owl]

i try it politely but it didnt work so , im out of that convo

[slow sage]

i mean i feel like when you answer someones question resonably and they continue to be completely ignorant there is reason

[earnest remnant]

nope

there never is

[wind jungle]

That's where you just move on

[bright cipher]

stealing this

[plain thicket]

a doubt

OFF CDS, we chaining envenom until 30-50 energy, then we just auto attack until 250-280 energy points to chaining envenom again, always maintaning garrote/rupture?

[icy acorn]

more or less yea

[plush tusk]

guilty

[cursive owl]

hey marc

[bright cipher]

no, i am stealing it

[tawdry oxide]

How is the nerfs?

[real beacon]

what build do i play in tyra week?

[icy acorn]

heyo

[earnest remnant]

there is never a good excuse to be a dickhead to someone, just because you dont agree with eachother

[icy acorn]

dw, assa is still top tier

[placid valve]

Is it possible to share the mouseover macro?

[torn merlin]

yeah but let's be real mr "stats don't matter" I have a feeling your char will be fairly close to the "meta" stats right now if we check

[tawdry oxide]

No new builds ? Just op 😂

[inner crypt]

3r craft?

[icy acorn]

i wouldnt say op

[cursive owl]

it was like a 2% nerf overall so no big changes

[icy acorn]

4,4% in bis profile

[cursive owl]

ah

[normal mist]

You have toxic and patch? Whatever is higher upgrade for you I guess

[inner crypt]

yep

[normal mist]

I'm thinking ring for me

[icy acorn]

https://i.gyazo.com/2830835ac6b9bafe4021e70904b6006b.png

third craft can only be this

[inner crypt]

got boots and toxic

patch, so i dunno 3r

[lament dagger]

that guys name is literally "fascist" in cyrillic. why would you answer him?

[subtle tundra]

doing weekly 20s with actual human dps is so fucking depressing

[subtle tundra]

🤨 not finger?

[icy acorn]

got 2 rings with socket

[subtle tundra]

ah youre one of those

[normal mist]

Chad

[solar night]

I rerolled end of week 2 and burned a spark on a dagger. I kind of regret it

[icy acorn]

yeah got like 4 rings with sockets

lmao

[subtle tundra]

🥺

[shrewd night]

[normal mist]

Wdym?

[shrewd night]

the fuck is going on here

[cursive owl]

didnt open my vault yet

on my way to it

[normal mist]

A clown fiesta about stats

[earnest remnant]

people cant play nice

[subtle tundra]

absolutely 0 time to do dps

[icy acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/no-war-in-ba-sing-se-avatar-earth-village-gif-25923233

[normal mist]

Oh yeah... I'll have to search a build without c.t this week because there won't be time for my aoe to ramp

[rigid snow]

Can i craft legs with toxic patch instead of wrist/waist?

[icy acorn]

cleave build

[cursive owl]

please make one with stat prio

[normal mist]

Is it on the wowheadpage?

[icy acorn]

i made the one that sims the highest

[subtle tundra]

i tried no ct and ct

0 time to do dps

[icy acorn]

should be

[subtle tundra]

on redeeming thing is abusing sudden demise

[solar night]

You can. It’s sub optimal

[normal mist]

I've been using aoe shiv since week1 never changed xD

[icy acorn]

im a slave to the sims

[cursive owl]

ok

[rigid snow]

Is it that bad?

[icy acorn]

ah you meant the gif

lol

just took it from discord lmao

[torn merlin]

I dared to suggest that simming might not be the best option when you are in the specific situation of having incredibly unbalanced stats and some people are afraid of not being able to blindly follow what the computer tells them for every decision

[cursive owl]

wish me luck guys

last week 18 fall keys for dagger , got 11 times gold only kekw

[solar night]

Depends on you. Legs carry a lot of stats, and crafted gear is a few ilvls lower than max, so the thought is you do crafted in lower budget slots to lose less overall stats from that ilvl difference

[oak tangle]

if your stats are that cooked, you probably take ilvl because that's the only way that occurs

[cursive owl]

stop

[torn merlin]

my vault has 483 in all slots so Ilvl isn't an option

[normal mist]

[oak tangle]

then your stats are not cooked

[rigid snow]

I see, but only in a high ilvl scenario you lose stats right?

[cursive owl]

ye

[jaunty ginkgo]

My 5 target damage on dummies is << quick sim - can anyone help diagnose?

[shrewd night]

Simming is better than deciding gear upgrades by sticking your finger in your ass. If you know you are getting pieces, and you do not sim with those pieces included in the sim, you are to blame.

[cursive owl]

the higher the i lvl the more the stats get value

[solar night]

Correct. This assumes you have access to mythic loot or will be maxing your mplus vault each weak to gain mythic track items

[oak tangle]

i have literally not target farmed anything except trinkets, and it's all irrelevant

[normal mist]

I won't be able to DPS on tyrannical weeks with good stats or bad stats

Imma beat the shit out of the bosses tho

[solar night]

I need to target farm a neck. I have 2 season 2 items left. My bracers (which I’ll recraft today), and a 437 neck

[cursive owl]

true

[normal mist]

But this last week felt good man, actually pumped good DPS with pugs

[oak tangle]

did you remove all raid buffs from the sim

[cursive owl]

i can relate

[normal mist]

Last key of the week was a 17 fall, 200k DPS, then dh at 195, then 3rd DPS (another dh) 125k

[jaunty ginkgo]

I did yeah

[solar night]

Your pug tanks didn’t chain pull through spiteful, never allowing you to stealth?

[plucky canopy]

Sin in dungeons pumps and still is cozy as fuck, I love it

[torn merlin]

So you would pick a piece of gear that you know will replace later with an embellished item if it sims higher at the moment?

[plain thicket]

this was sad

[potent lintel]

Which of the Mythic + Builds on wow head gives you the most overall damage in keys?

[normal mist]

They did, fuck that, I'm a nelf now so I could at least get some res every now and then

[shrewd night]

If you cant read what I wrote, you probably shouldnt respond.

[plucky canopy]

Doesn't matter

[oak tangle]

how is that an argument for or against simming?

[solar night]

I dunno. It sure felt like it mattered. But admittedly I’m new to the spec

[oak tangle]

thats the answer equivalent of saying "you have 5 apples you give 2 to a friend, how many oranges are in the neighbours truck"

[wary jungle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torn merlin]

I'm not against simming, I sim every piece of gear from the vault after the first 3 weeks, my whole argument was against simming while your stats are fucked

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-lurking-watching-keep-goin-gif-4975360

[plucky canopy]

Tbh it does "matter" but it is not as much as people think. It is actually very minor, especially know with sb and vanish.
Just get rid of the I need to vanish last 3 seconds of kb in trash packs and use it for situations u want to spread bleeds

[normal mist]

The only time no restealthing hurts is when dance is on CD and vanish too

[oak tangle]

all this anti simming agenda has to be people who don't pay for it, and can't be assed to wait 5 minutes for a sim on reset day

[normal mist]

You gotta manually spread them dots:(

[torn merlin]

nobody here is anti simming, I'm a raidbots premium user. All I've said is that simming is suboptimal if you know you will make certain changes due to crafting or tier set items etc

[solar night]

I don’t use Vanish as a dps cooldown on Fort weeks. Still had several packs I was single doting waiting for Shadowdance to come back up. Maybe I should just rely on 4pc damage until it’s back up. Dunno

[plucky canopy]

Never paid, still used it since I started playing back in legion

[normal mist]

Then pick the BiS item

[spice surge]

Then include those changes in the sim

[normal mist]

And move on

[spice surge]

[desert inlet]

but you just run the sim with the crafted/tier items

[plucky canopy]

I feel like I those situations get as much dots up as u need for energy reg and start blasting evenom

And use garrote on cd

[uncut ocean]

where can I find specific talents for tyra week?

[plucky canopy]

Unless the target is about to die

[torn merlin]

yeah probably

[solar night]

Yeah. I’m sure I’ll get more comfortable with it, and it’ll also be less of an issue as I’m doing higher keys

[onyx scroll]

Hey I have a question, I've looked at logs vs other sin rogues, but my deathmarked kingsbanes look like wet noodles vs other logs. I can't figure out what I'm specifically doing wrong outside of obvious screw ups. If anyone could help I'd appreciate it. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P1amZWG6rYVFcd9J

[plucky canopy]

And as if you keep going and get more reps in, you kinda get a feeling where u have good and bad uses of cds and which packs are kinda w/e

[solar night]

Last Tuesday I was like 451 ilvl and just spamming 13-16s

[torn merlin]

my original comment was if anyone had insight as to why a certain item was described as "bis", the whole discussion of whether bis is a thing any more was just a big sidetrack

[plucky canopy]

I am just so amazed how easy, comfy and still good sin is in Keys now.
If I go to outlaw for one key, I need 10 hours for my fingers to cool down

[normal mist]

Bis because if you have the full set list, the stats provided by all the items at max ilevel, provide the most dmg out of all combination

[torn merlin]

yeah and isn't that the end goal?

[plucky canopy]

Nobody probably ever reaches

[shrewd night]

I swear yall agree with eachother, you just talk in circular terms that you dont realize

[solar night]

I feel this. I hit 472 yesterday and did a couple 20s. Hoping this week feels better in keys

[normal mist]

He's trying to mix max week 20 of the season

The rest of us are playing weekly

[torn merlin]

yes, finally someone realised

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[desert inlet]

i hate it here

[hollow stone]

going back sub

[oak tangle]

minimum 7 weeks to get BiS gear

[normal mist]

I believe everyone did

[plush tusk]

so you don't give a fuck about progress?

[spice surge]

Its time to drop it and move on

[solar night]

Let it die, friend

[torn merlin]

I think getting those late season massive rio numbers and doing the really high keys is more fun tbh

[grim jay]

Wow you guys kept going until now

[pulsar apex]

did Augury get buffed/changed or is it still bad for Assass?

[torn merlin]

in queue for solo shuffle, what else am I gonna do?

[oak tangle]

sim

[digital coral]

Bruh

[torn merlin]

but simming is done in the background, it's not exactly an activity

[oak tangle]

i spent a whole ass night simming for no reason other than my sim was at or around 169,420 and i wanted to hit that number

[torn merlin]

unless you sit and stare at the progress bar

[digital coral]

Peak gameplay

Akin to watching paint dry. But more satisfying

[plush tusk]

you don't even know which spec is gonna end up the best for your type of content after future balancing tuning. but who am i to deny your visions

[torn merlin]

it will be assassination

my uncle works at Blizzard

[digital coral]

Same tho. His name is Bobby

[oak tangle]

what if the BiS changes because of bug fixes, item tuning, or class balance

your 20 week long play is fucked then

[torn merlin]

lawsuit

[digital coral]

Justified tbh

[shrewd night]

Take no items in week 1-19 they arent part of the final plan. Upgrades? Doesn't matter.

[oak tangle]

i hope his guild kills mythic tindral too

[grim jay]

Meownar bullying

[shrewd night]

It's part of my cni

[solar night]

Everyone has a Bluncle

[shrewd night]

Cat Native Instincts

[cursive owl]

shit vault ._.

[grim jay]

Thats the short version of chronic kidney failure in german. Idk about that one

[oak tangle]

in an ironic twist to all of this, i picked a helmet to catalyse next week without simming

[hushed fern]

im simming 6k higher ST as sub now bb guys

[cursive owl]

i take shoulders because i had 424 boosted ones and i could pick 476

[shrewd night]

Fitting given the tequila

[stable field]

Talents stays same after nerf?

[grim jay]

Couldnt agree more

[oak tangle]

mine was a mythic track helm, cause there is 0% chance i will ever be killing mythic tindral

[grim jay]

Doesnt one of the first bosses drop a head

[oak tangle]

my guild doesn't do mythic

maybe a pug

but like, yeah

[dense spruce]

everyone still going assa after nerf?

[cursive owl]

let me sim myself

[grim jay]

Pugging mythic

One hell of a feverdream

[violet hollow]

We don’t do that here

[oak tangle]

what nerf

[grim jay]

Nah feral now

[digital coral]

Windwalker rise up

[torn merlin]

Kingsbane damage reduced by 15%.
Blindside effect chance reduced to 15% (was 20%) and 30% against low-health targets (was 40%).

[icy acorn]

doesnt matter, still topspec

[shrewd night]

Unless you want to compete for world ranks in the single digit, the nerf doesn't matter

[oak tangle]

i was joking, the nerf is like 4%

kinda inconsequential

[woven frost]

You’re talking to the rogues that have played sin even when it’s the bottom of the barrel. 2-4% does not scare us

[oak tangle]

2-4% gives us the drive to play 2-4% better

[woven frost]

https://tenor.com/view/i-do-not-fear-this-lord-of-the-rings-gif-18511530

[torn merlin]

I played assassination in m+ for all of shadowlands so...

[woven frost]

Ditto.

[torn merlin]

I'm happy to be above c tier

[woven frost]

M+ Sin has always been fun even when it’s not on top.

BFA were the glory days though

[cursive owl]

this is ok

[normal mist]

That's without pi or buffs?

[cursive owl]

its without PI and buffs

[normal mist]

Probably seems alright then yeah

[cursive owl]

an d ST

[normal mist]

Would be weird if was with externals and buffs, but it seems reasonable

[oak tangle]

i woulda though that's with lust and such

though maybe my brain is warped

[normal mist]

With externals with pi I was simming 210(?)+ Last week

I'm 473 rn

[oak tangle]

yeah but they're only 463

[cursive owl]

yes

[oak tangle]

'only' i say lol

[normal mist]

When I got my branch I got like 5/6k upgrade on dps

[mighty nexus]

Yeah, branch is huge

[oak tangle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rA9P7SNvQ7swgtcXobSLKn

[mighty nexus]

I thought my sim was borked first time I sim’d after branch

[oak tangle]

no pi on that, but that was my GV choices

[normal mist]

Huge huge

Btw

I heard this week has been really chill for keys

Since enrage on mobs that get deleted is like a non existing affix

GF did a quick 20A.D today and said it was freaking simple

[uneven summit]

does mastery fall behind at a certain gear level? i see more and more versa sims

[mighty nexus]

ye, this week is dummy easy imo

[indigo epoch]

Felt good to me yesterday. Better than spiteful

[mighty nexus]

spiteful can smd fr

[normal mist]

You NA right?

[indigo epoch]

Yes

[normal mist]

Aye happy to know then

[normal mist]

Probably because of branch. Most of our dmg comes from CDs, which include branch, that gives us lots of mastery

[spice spire]

Branch craters the value

Because you get like 8k in your burst and it’s kinda whwtsecer after that

[uneven summit]

ahhh

[indigo epoch]

I like it. Sucks only stacking 2 stats

[normal mist]

After the CDs we just maintain buffs and wait for burst again

[indigo epoch]

Nice to get some haste vers goin

Makes this guy slap even harder since we actually need some haste/vers

[normal mist]

That guy is actually bis

There's no other option

[indigo epoch]

Loving it ❤️

[normal mist]

He's the reason we don't craft daggers this season

In theory you shouldn't be swapping that dagger till the end of the season xD

[lean portal]

hey guys do we still talent and play for kingsbane even after nerfs ? or it hasnt been sim yet

[spice spire]

Yes

[normal mist]

Yes

[spice spire]

Pins

[lean portal]

didnt know about pins ty

[normal mist]

Sometimes it seems I know stuff until I remind myself I'm a heroic level player

[clever sapphire]

no its time for sepsis to replace kingsbane

[clever sapphire]

wdym, those boots are bis

[lean portal]

time to go sub

[normal mist]

Ahahaah had to look at the image for a while to get it xD

[clever sapphire]

your eyes didnt see past the dagger

[normal mist]

Bet xD

[clever sapphire]

understandable tho

mine wouldnt either if i was talking for real

[glass junco]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[glass junco]

@bitter crow

[oak tangle]

that doesn't mean anything though

don't have to be a rank 1 parser to know what is correct etc

[normal mist]

You do have a point

I mean I usually am a top 50 in normal parses

[oak tangle]

im top 50 in lfr, does that count

[cosmic socket]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

In my heart it does

[glossy grove]

Is the nerf a huge dmg loss for us?

[normal mist]

No

[indigo epoch]

No

[mighty nexus]

Ye, I’m dogshit at the game but I just discord goblin this channel so I know a good bit about what’s right

[simple ore]

massive reroll

[solar night]

4.4%ish

[glossy grove]

4,4% overall?

[indigo epoch]

Much less than that for most builds/fights

[solar night]

ST in bis gear, yes

[mighty nexus]

The math is all in the pins

[clever sapphire]

Check da pins

[glossy grove]

but 4,4% is kinda high no?

[burnt venture]

Anyone know what the DH nerf amounted to? I know BM was like 3-6%

[normal mist]

No

[simple ore]

like 2% iirc

[glossy grove]

Alright, is something like sub/outlaw outperforming us now in ST?

[simple ore]

they mostly got hit in aoe

[mighty nexus]

Nah

Sin still goated

[burnt venture]

Yeah I mean AoE sims

[clever sapphire]

Only thing high here is gonna be me tomorrow cooking up on heroic smoldy

[burnt venture]

For DH

[glossy grove]

alright

[solar night]

No. And it’s much less in aoe. Assassination is fine. I’d imagine it’s still the top rogue spec.

[burnt venture]

Do you know what it was for AoE?

[simple ore]

not off the top of my head no sorry

[icy iron]

👀

[clever sapphire]

Ask dh discord maybe for dh numbers

Dont wanna be rude

[icy iron]

👀

[burnt venture]

No shot lol

[clever sapphire]

But dh should know best about their own spec

[mighty nexus]

only time I pay attention to dh stuff is them being under me on details

[burnt venture]

Will never play a DH. Just wanted to know if anyone knew off top their head. Hoping to not get gapped as hard by them in EB lol

[oak tangle]

oi guys, fun fact, i just realised i was playing for a while with mutilate on my stealth bar, i think i threw it there to test something and forgot to change it back

10/10

[clever sapphire]

Oh thats probably still gonna happen

Cause its dh

[oak tangle]

afaik, dh are laughin to the bank just like us

[mighty nexus]

I still think BM is harder to beat than dh

[clever sapphire]

Mut on stealthbar, ambush on its own keybind like before the blindside changes. Thats the only way

[mighty nexus]

BM presses like 2 buttons and spikes 750k dps lmao

[normal mist]

They press them really hard

(ik because I watch my gf press multi shot 1463 times between gcds)

[clever sapphire]

Just to say a word there. 19 brh, i though it was impossible to be shit on bm. (Bm hunter was 470ilvl, shamy 444)

This guy proved me wrong

[leaden thicket]

Does anyone here run double on-use trinkets in raid, or is it more of a 1 on-use & 1 passive trinket angle?

[normal mist]

Passive+active bis

[clever sapphire]

Double on use maybe for smolderon

But not even there probably

[mighty nexus]

oh jesus, dude clearly 70 boosted and read like 1/4 of a wowhead guide

[oak tangle]

he's just happy to be there

[clever sapphire]

So ye, never underestimate how hard a spec is

[mighty nexus]

my man read up to kill command and was like “bet, I know spec”

[oak tangle]

your tank was blastin though

[clever sapphire]

Oh ye he was farmin brh with me

[leaden thicket]

Okay, sweet, ty.

[clever sapphire]

We were doin the dumbest pulls

[normal mist]

For rings? Hehe

[mighty nexus]

Oh no, my alt is bm it’s what I play when I want to turn my brain off

[clever sapphire]

Never got the ring, got it in vault today tho

[oak tangle]

my alts are windwalker and dh

sin is the chill spec

[mighty nexus]

ima go vengeance dh soon, that shit looks so fun

[solar night]

Eh! WW and DK for me. I dream of a world where I could just main WW every tier, but alas, that will never ever happen

[sturdy mesa]

What does DN mean?

[sleek gale]

does anyone have any advice for dealing with spears on mythic igira? they die so quickly that i'm at a bit of a loss aside from using fan of knives as a builder when theyre up :s

[oak tangle]

focus boss, spears are a spatter and other people problem

[clever sapphire]

One day somebody gonna ask that for real, im waitin on that day in raid

[mighty nexus]

If they die too quick, that generally means you guys are doing fine

[oak tangle]

i got my raid lead with a smolderon one

[sleek gale]

ty! wanted to make sure i wasnt doing something wrong by largely ignoring them

[celest mirage]

Is it correct to build to 6 cps for envenom if you have an excess of energy and you aren’t dropping envenom buff?

[weak cypress]

yes

u gotta use ur energy

[oak tangle]

whatnow

[echo sparrow]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[weak cypress]

or if u got 20 stacks of amplifying poison

[oak tangle]

why would you build from 4 to 6, you will a) lose cp to seal fate and b) every 2 times you do this you lose an envenom

[normal mist]

I was a firm believer we wanted 4 to 6

[mighty nexus]

ye, it’s mathematically more efficient to spend at 4cp

[unique sorrel]

Spatter and rip a rupture into em if you want between cds for free energy

[normal mist]

6 is only when weird crits happen

[oak tangle]

or you are going into a dm window

[mighty nexus]

What I wanna know is how you’re ripping 6cp envenoms and not running out of energy while maintaining uptime

[oak tangle]

i checked with whispyr and even generating at 4 to refresh rupture in an envenom window isn't worth

[steel stump]

Refreshing rupture is the pain point imo

What should take priority ?

[warped pilot]

at what point do you actually drop envenom buff to do so?

[oak tangle]

you finish at 4+

[steel stump]

you should do both

[oak tangle]

if you need to refresh rupture, you just do

if it lines up with seal fate procs to get 5+ then nice luck

otherwise let envenom drop

[latent onyx]

so Im new to public crafting orders, what is the going tip rate on the toxic patch and bracers?

[steel stump]

do you refresh rupture at 4 tho

i'd think not

[quartz locust]

if it's still the same as before, don't do a public order, no guarantee it'll be a high rank

[normal mist]

Well... You put that at 200g and eventually someone will do it

Will it be max rank? Probably not

Ask your local LWer

[mighty nexus]

Ye, I’d dodge the public order and find a crafter in guild or trade

[normal mist]

(that's me in my server)

[latent onyx]

ah ok, so need to find someone and do personal order instead

[mighty nexus]

Public orders = actively inting

[latent onyx]

cool thanks

[quartz locust]

as far as going rate, i try not to pay over 5k commission

[oak tangle]

we do

[quartz locust]

and only if it's like my bis crafted gear

[latent onyx]

the patch doesnt have level though does it?

[steel stump]

good to know ty

[normal mist]

I've been asking 15k for 486 toxic and I've been getting some crafts going, it's such a pain in the ass going to BHW

[mighty nexus]

Ye, 15k is solid. That’s what I paid for both my 486 pieces guaranteed

[quartz locust]

yeah the patch is not tiered

[normal mist]

I'm maxed LW with around 30/40 lw points hanging there xD

[latent onyx]

15k + own mats?

[normal mist]

Yes

[lofty nymph]

Is my key assignment shit?

[normal mist]

Rank3 mats, at least the blue ones

[mighty nexus]

For R5 guaranteed, yeah

[oak tangle]

my gm is an altaholic, she gets mad at me for giving 1g commission

[latent onyx]

awesome thanks

[normal mist]

But in theory, you could always bargain

And ask for better deals

[latent onyx]

im doing 476

but willing to pay 10k plus my own mats

[normal mist]

For 476 I usually ask for 7.5k

[latent onyx]

doing bracers today with patch, already got my boots

[mighty nexus]

Depends on if they work for you personally

[oak tangle]

do you fat finger your pot in aoe?

[lofty nymph]

Sometimes it feels like a knot

[oak tangle]

also yes your key assignments are terrible

[latent onyx]

I dont get how people use numbers for main abilities

[oak tangle]

i don't see rupture

[normal mist]

If you're on grimbatol or associated servers I'll craft that for free of fee

[mighty nexus]

It’s all subjective tbh. They’re a lot different than mine, but if it works it works

[oak tangle]

oh it's over there on c

[latent onyx]

thanks for the offer, but I am EU-Draenor

[normal mist]

Got an alt there, for AH stuff hehe

[mighty nexus]

Got tired of waiting on a tank so I accepted a 2.7k ragnaros prot warrior and now my 23 EB is bricked 🤡

[mighty nexus]

What in the fuck is that abomination

[solar night]

It’s a keypad that is amazing

[oak tangle]

unironically, i would consider changing either your dance or kb bind, to have them both be shift keys or neither, so that you aren't scuffing casts by delaying on holding shift. but you can solve that with a dance / kb macro

[mighty nexus]

You use that ?

[normal mist]

I've had so many bad experiences with ragnaros people too

[latent onyx]

I use numbers, just for stuff I press less often

[plucky dock]

jesus

[latent onyx]

maybe i am the weird one 😄

[agile grove]

Anyone know if there is a good reason to not refresh improved garrot here?

[mighty nexus]

Ye, I actively inted my own key bc I should know better lmao

[steel stump]

I'm gonna get shit on for this but this is my Pepega burst macro
/castsequence reset=10 Shiv,Shadow Dance,Kingsbane,Garrote

[solar night]

I do. I used a Razer Orbweaver for years, moved to that about 2 years ago when my orbweaver died as Razer stopped making them and their overall quality had gone to shit

[steel stump]

[mighty nexus]

That’s crazy, you’re top 25% of players for even knowing how to use that thing

[oak tangle]

enjoy to your hearts content

[wide whale]

"is your ability"

"YES"

[mighty nexus]

I use a Corsair scimmy atm, just replaced my fat ass logi g600

[grim jay]

mythic set chest or socket getting set items somehow feels so bad

[wide whale]

my G502 has officially started recording double clicks at a rate which annoys me. time for a nemw mouse

we go G502 again

[burnt venture]

What build you run?

[solar night]

I’m a systems engineer, and I spend so much time on a normal keyboard it’s nice to not have that same repetitive motion when gaming. That and I have access to like 70 keybinds without having to move my hand.

[oak tangle]

but your brain doing 4D chess

[mighty nexus]

That’s what I’m saying I’d die to mechs trying to remember what’s what

[oak tangle]

i'm sure it's intuitive af after years of use

[slim hamlet]

Damn lariat already simming better for me than patch at 5 gems

[solar night]

Only for about 2 weeks 🙂

[oak tangle]

DONT YOU SAY THOSE WORDS

[slim hamlet]

why not

[oak tangle]

lariat can die in a fire after season 1 domination

[slim hamlet]

but

I got the recipe

[mighty nexus]

I used to play w a guy that used the razor Tartarus thing, and he was an S+ tier player. You guys have too much brain power

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyone has a nice weakaura that shows envenom buff timer?

[oak tangle]

nice is subjective but i have one

[plucky dock]

friends, have haste gone up in value for assa rogues after this weeks reset?

[pseudo hamlet]

Could you send it to me? 😄

[quartz locust]

I got used to using the luxthos weak aura setup and it's nice

[oak tangle]

just make a progress bar or icon with the trigger of aura > buff > player. for envenom

[burnt venture]

It feels like it but don’t take that as gospel coming from me. I’m at 25% haste and it’s recommending I craft haste/mastery on my spark piece

[slim hamlet]

Don't trust this man

Why is reply such a weird arrow now

[mighty nexus]

Zacs rogue group is good too, it’s got envenom, rupture, garrote, etc timers

[plucky dock]

Same dude, and i simmed enchants + gems and it wants me to change out to haste gems

[burnt venture]

I don’t know that reset has anything to do with it so much as you want a little bit of all stats more evenly spread than previous tiers @plucky dock

[arctic socket]

I don’t wanna craft a lariat

Lariat crafters want to much gold

It costed me 150k for someone to click craft s1

[strong sleet]

is there any way to stop details from reseting on vanish when i practice on a dummy?

[slim hamlet]

u are the reason professions dont work

[desert inlet]

I just have a bunch of alts that can craft everything my rogue needs

[slim hamlet]

"it's just one click bro"

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[arctic socket]

What

[latent onyx]

does the level of the resilient leather matter when crafting? silver vs gold?

[slim hamlet]

Same

The only real way to play the game

[oak tangle]

there's my WA in action

[quartz locust]

i just say fuckit and get all rank 3

[arctic socket]

Why level a profession when you can just buy a token and buy it that way

[weary vortex]

is Nick of time not in the Outlaw Loottable?

[slim hamlet]

[arctic socket]

Are you a clicker?

[desert inlet]

because I have more wow dollars than real dollars

[stiff pivot]

Check dungeon journal

[arctic socket]

Do you click your defensives

[oak tangle]

some stuff yes, nothing dps related

[stiff pivot]

Put loot to outlaw

[arctic socket]

[burnt venture]

No. It’s a dagger

[arctic socket]

Where’s your vial at @oak tangle

That’s cursed

[brazen zodiac]

Depends on crafter's skill

[slim hamlet]

Memz is under allegations

[oak tangle]

vial? you mean the heal, that's just straight bound to t

[slim hamlet]

Stand up for yourself Memz

[stiff pivot]

Bro you don't even bind blind?

[latent onyx]

ok let me find one first then I guess, these scales are 10x the price for tier 3 lol

[stiff pivot]

Man

[oak tangle]

blind is on e

[manic quartz]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim hamlet]

alright htats cursed

[desert inlet]

@latent onyx what server are you on

[brazen zodiac]

This late into xpac, no it doesn't matter, just ask for someone who's Max'd in the slot you're looking for

[latent onyx]

draenor

[oak tangle]

e used to be my ambush button

[slim hamlet]

but just because no number on screen doesn't mean shit aint bound bois

[arctic socket]

I’m impressed you don’t have cloak bonded

[oak tangle]

dont need it anymore

[mighty nexus]

Kick on F, blind on Shift+F is the only way

[desert inlet]

that is not area 52 I cannot help u

godspeed

[stiff pivot]

Sprint, cloak, evasion

[brazen zodiac]

If you're on area52, I can also help you cx

[minor gate]

bruh

[slim hamlet]

nice neck

[wide whale]

that's the outlaw bis cloak!

[slim hamlet]

or socket

[wide whale]

you can full swap now!

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

With the new craft this week I got away from cursed 5k vers build

no more outlaw

[arctic socket]

One step closer to using lariat congrats!

[mighty nexus]

the only thing cursed around here is that cat gif

[minor gate]

are we changing craft?

from toxic thorn

[slim hamlet]

at some point lariat wins

[oak tangle]

i like how most people severely dislike my ui and setup, but i (obviously) think it's so great

[slim hamlet]

Likely at full sockets for most gear

Mine already sims 0.1% better at 5

[minor gate]

idek how you fully socket it

[weary vortex]

thats why I am asking, it is not in there and I am wondering why

[oak tangle]

all my guild mates get mad that i use progress bars

[desert inlet]

your UI only has to work for yourself

[stiff pivot]

It's a dagger

[weary vortex]

well its a outlaw ogghand

[desert inlet]

a lot of people hate my UI but me like

[oak tangle]

but i find progress bars help me see the prio for things easier than numbers

[minor gate]

is it like the crafted ones then the vault ones

[supple raven]

hello with the nerf assa is always ok for raid ? or go sub ?

[mighty nexus]

I just use atrocity’s ui bc I cba actually making my own

[mighty nexus]

Sin still great, check pins

[stiff pivot]

Play what you're best at and what you enjoy the most

[oak tangle]

also i love how much it triggers people that i click my defensives, but like, i die the least of anyone and i have all the time in the world to click them as sin

[mighty nexus]

there’s been a lot of really good players that click stuff, I don’t get it though, seems much easier to just hit a keybind

[royal lantern]

well

my vault was a certified "atleast its mythic tier gloves i gues?" angle

[oak tangle]

too many binds wigs me out, and i end up hitting the wrong defensive, which is worse

[royal lantern]

bruh, who cares how you play if you manage lol

[mighty nexus]

makes sense, if it works for you then that’s what matters

[oak tangle]

i mean i get play how you want, but i do agree that clicking is not great for gcd lockign stuff, but that's only super important for dps (an argument that dps is never that important though)

[mighty nexus]

I’d rather my raid team have to do irl yoga to use abilities rather than just be brain dead enough to not use them for starters

[lavish isle]

where i can sim crafted gear? i mean to check which stats will be better for me?

[oak tangle]

you can droptimise it, but one stat type at a time, or use gear compare

[minor gate]

despite my large advantage in haste, i have been granted more haste

[clever sapphire]

Bit late, the cleave build. No ct, no sd

[oak tangle]

how much is your tank a chad and pulling onto bosses for you

[clever sapphire]

Nothing

Lel

[oak tangle]

although, i guess with that bm, you getting plenty of kb value

[clever sapphire]

Yap

[unreal socket]

[clever sapphire]

But im doing around 300k avg in 18-20 brhs

[oak tangle]

brh is lowkey super great for minibosses to kb

[clever sapphire]

Eeeeeh

Kinda

First pulls the protector guy is the juicer

Takes 150% increased dmg during the cast

Sadly he dies in 2 seconds when i send cooldowns

[plucky canopy]

Unless it is sanguino

Then he is cursed

[clever sapphire]

Why

He takes more dmg

Free big numba

[plucky canopy]

Cuz he does not fucking move

And is just chilling in sanguino with no mobs around him for spatter

[past forum]

Bathing in sanguine = guaranteed full duration dm

[slim hamlet]

that's the tech

[oak tangle]

well i'll be, i never looked at mobs enough to worry, i just picked most hp guy and let rip

[past forum]

My new trick is putting skull marker on the 2nd biggest guy in the pack so ppl stay away from my deathmark target

40% of the time it works every time

[slim hamlet]

I did that in a push key yesterday

And my aug got mad I didn't hit the skull marked guy

not knowing I was the one to put the skull

https://tenor.com/view/xdd-xdding-cat-cute-cursed-gif-27104766

[past forum]

It’s great for the double slammy boy packs in TotT cause you do more on your guy that the rest of the team does on the other

[slim hamlet]

Did it on double drake rise

we bloodlusted it

if me and havoc just slammed same mob it would legit die in 10 seconds

fuck that

[oak tangle]

that moment when you see your kb ticking down, and the mob is at like 5-10% hp

[past forum]

Yeah it’s cringe when ppl attack your dm target, the absolute nerve

[oak tangle]

and then it doesn't die

[slim hamlet]

Tried the cursed no scent no amp build yesterday

in fortified

And it seemed rly good for rise at least

I will be trying it in tyran now where it should be even better

[grim jay]

no amp? 🤔

[limpid ridge]

Well well well

[slim hamlet]

yeap

[slim hamlet]

Got a mythic pips too and didn't take it

Gotta make guild mald

[limpid ridge]

You want to see the world burn eh

[slim hamlet]

yep

[limpid ridge]

cant not take it

[slim hamlet]

yikes

[limpid ridge]

Aye trinkets have been cursed

[clever sapphire]

You guys are mentioning me a bit too much today, getting all the hicups

[slim hamlet]

huh

[arctic socket]

I have never seen that shard

What is that

[old jewel]

From the timerift event thingy east of valdrakken

[arctic socket]

Looks fun Lmao

I’m rocking a 463 branch

[slim hamlet]

[left sundial]

Bark sims higher but why top assas playing with ashes?

[subtle tundra]

Cause ashes doesn't kill you

[pulsar dirge]

Ermm I play with branch ??

[left sundial]

its only 71k

[scarlet solstice]

My guess would be either they were dying too much trying to get branch's orbs or they didn't like having to delay trinket use due to movement

Ope nvm, I misread as them using ashes instead of branch

[dark token]

i enjoy having to branch on pull on tindral and doing a tokyo drift into my orbs

very cool

[arctic socket]

Tokyo driftin

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-skill-issue-club-penguin-gif-15772229497448175392

[left sundial]

Jesus christ never gathered these orbs

i will play ashes lol

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[stiff pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[gaunt moat]

use branch once and you'll understand

it's horrible to use

[slim hamlet]

krill nation

Just use lowii wa and forget it exists

[velvet ridge]

Use branch 100 times and you'll understand

It's easy and effortless to use

[bleak eagle]

What’s dps loss on not delaying orbs sometimes?

[arctic socket]

I don’t see the big issue with branch

[slim hamlet]

There is no issue

People feelycrafting it to be bad before using it more than once

[storm forum]

If you plan to just scoop up all the orbs immediately, I think you delay the cast until the middle of KB and the loss isn't that bad.

[slim hamlet]

If u instant take all and fuck it up it sims higher in bis than ashes still

It's about not being hyper focused on doing it absolutely perfect

and then unequipping it last 2 mythic

[storm forum]

I'm surprised it's unequiped on bird boy

[supple sage]

!wa

[slate crown]

bot dead?

!wa

oh nooo

moroes what happened friend

[storm forum]

Last boss has very precise positioning requirements so I'm not surprised it's sus there

[slim hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bX9qLdiCoorBdfhdC42nnw can someone explain how these 489 legs sim less than 480 legs

[rose hull]

will pay someone to tell me what I'm doing wrong, my dps is 93k at 454 in Mythic

[slim hamlet]

exactly the same

with same enchant

[rose hull]

I have some issues with rotations probably

any coaches here?

just dm me

[rose hull]

thank you kindly

[dark token]

pips simmed so high sim exited early

and didnt sim those accurately

[slim hamlet]

Yes but

I know but low precision shouldn't make THAT huge difference should it?

[storm forum]

Say something dumb and unhinged to bait whispyr into responding

[arctic portal]

Honestly i think assassination sims better without poisons on

(did i do it right?)

[slim hamlet]

Yes just delete the stuff in ()

[storm forum]

Maybe the extra ilvl made you hit a negative dps breakpoint

[slim hamlet]

Yea vers such a bad stat that the more u got the worse you sim

I think

[storm forum]

With too much haste, you might shift your auto attack timers so you lose auto attacks in kingsbane

[slim hamlet]

(it doesnt have any haste but I agree)

[storm forum]

I thought higher ilvl gear sometimes shifted stats

Check again

[slim hamlet]

idek if we are memeing anymore

my head is not heading

[storm forum]

You're welcome

[limpid ridge]

Listen how about we turn rogue into a mana based class

[slim hamlet]

I would rather have us have holy power

[storm forum]

Someone get the petrol

We got a heathen to burn

[slim hamlet]

U think we getting holy power with new fatebound hero class thingy?

[limpid ridge]

Fuck it,lets use rage

[storm forum]

Now we're talking

[balmy dome]

Can anyone tell me why this guy has double the ambush casts that I do? I have a macro that casts ambush instead of mutilate when it procs, so I know I'm not missing it: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/AHxvBpGrNY39V4gk/JBhdKMjtmLRwFA9P#fight=44,55&source=17,Ballsache&type=casts

[slim hamlet]

We already got outlaw hybrid between rogue and warrior

why not

[limpid ridge]

Ikr

Go ham or go home

[slim hamlet]

u dont need a macro for that anymore btw

[steel stump]

gosh this is not a good week to farm fall 20s

pugs are awful

[ornate pier]

!fuu

[wispy island]

he had 13 more blindside procs and wasted more cp with ambushes, so maybe overcasting in stealth windows

just proc more 🙂

[slim hamlet]

he had 39 blindside procs u had 26

not so weird

and yea he also just had infinitely more builders, so either he got seal fate unlucky or just clicked for no reason

[balmy dome]

that's super unlucky

[stoic pond]

hey guys get Pip's trinket from dungeon quest today. I have 2 buffs active at the time, is it ok or it's a bug? Or should I expect 3 permanent buffs after a while?

[quaint hull]

how much goald? (kidding)

[ruby coyote]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qy49QBRnbdHD7fNxS99DLA
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/roPZigGFBW19ihPDjQ479D

Is it time to swap to Sub?

[slim hamlet]

u probably got the "normal" pip buff of 200 something and the proc buff right?

[arctic socket]

Once you go shadow you don’t come back soo

[slim hamlet]

add PI

[stoic pond]

Yep I had a bear during the fight but now there is 2 permanent buffs

[ruby coyote]

fair point, let me sim with PI

[arctic socket]

Question for the math wizards, how much damage am I missing out on not having ebon might, pi or windfury totem

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

we back

[storm forum]

Check if they're both giving you stats and it's not a visual bug. If you're getting double stats, bug abuse until it gets fixed ; ^)

[feral basin]

Is the best play with Branch to delay the orbs as long as poss rather than just getting the 3 stack Mastery for 10secs?

Just got a Myth track branch today in vault 🙂

[arctic socket]

All I do is listen to the paint picture

[quaint hull]

I'll make you pay me next time because I dont want ppl ruining my orange parses. ATHe reason is simple. You aren't casting ambush in Shadow Dance window. You have to if you take improved ambush. The next one will cost you 😉

[storm forum]

Collect two orbs asap, wait 7ish seconds for the 3rd orb.

That's what the picture is trying to convey

[arctic socket]

I collect two then just stand still

[storm forum]

The Red is for collect asap

[grim pawn]

!dagger

[cobalt gyro]

finally got a timestrike dagger

[balmy dome]

ah I see, I'm mutilating when I should be ambushing in that window?

[quaint hull]

PI and Windfurry alone is close to 15 around there or some bs.

[arctic socket]

People here

Getting Nicholas makes me jealous Lmao

[cobalt gyro]

just replace mutilate with ambush in your stealth bar

[quaint hull]

Read the talent "Improved Ambush" and try and convince someone why you should be casting mutilate instead.

[arctic socket]

15% or 15k lol

[quaint hull]

Ambush just also does more dam. So yes, do ambush

[quaint hull]

15 percent my bro

[cobalt gyro]

this will make sure you don't even have to think while replacing it btw

[arctic socket]

Ambush more damage and more talent points

[feral basin]

Thanks

[stoic pond]

works for me xD

[arctic socket]

I don’t think there’s ever a reason to cast multi in your stealth window

[quaint hull]

Nope.

[storm forum]

Iirc, you can mut during KB/dance if you're giga flooded on energy (ie, with pi/hero+dm) for an incredibly minor gain but it's not worth 0.1% damage for me to map an extra keybind for that

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fG9dodTQV1M2bVqZqhhn5N Hero but there it is boys

[quaint hull]

If you want to get into the weeds, you can mut in stealth to maintain spatter, but lets not get weird in here just yet.

Thats why I have mut and ampbush in separate buttons

[cobalt gyro]

you don't have to do that

[normal mist]

ambush also spatters

doesnt it?

[quaint hull]

oh yeah, nvm lol

[cobalt gyro]

it does

[storm forum]

Yeah it does

[quaint hull]

xD

[normal mist]

😛

[storm forum]

Old copy pasta

[balmy dome]

ty fellas appreciate yall @quaint hull

[shy meteor]

Just got four set and only parsing blues and some purples at the moment. How much does Aug and PI affect overall parses?

[arctic socket]

A good bit

[quaint hull]

Go to logs. You can exclude parses for external buffs and take a look for yourself.

[ocean cargo]

would it be worth using a pips and a sandglass as trinkets?

[quaint hull]

sim yourself.

[storm forum]

You lose like 15k without PI, and idk Aug, but some of it is still bugged and not reattributed to the Aug so we lose a fair bit there too

[shy meteor]

Does that count Aug too? I thought it was only PI and autumn

[ocean cargo]

i do sim higher with the sandglass

[storm forum]

And we lose like 10k without windfury

[quaint hull]

Pips is goodger on multitarger most of the time

[ocean cargo]

but im just wondering if its worth putting in 21 passives

2*

[storm forum]

Oh over an on use?

[ocean cargo]

yeah

[quaint hull]

If you want to parses oranges you might want an ashes or branch.

[arctic socket]

If I had externals etc my parses would be pink

[ocean cargo]

so i have a 476 pips and 467 mydas

[storm forum]

If it's a 2 min stat on use (branch or ashes) use that, if it's a raw damage or non 2 min CD on ise, you'll have to sim it

[ocean cargo]

but in my vault i can get a 480 sandglass

[storm forum]

Sand glass, pips and signet brand are all BiS in different situations. Iirc, pips is better with more targets, signet on longer fights without downtime, and sand glass is kind of just always good.

[arctic socket]

Gear compare sim tears

But if you ever do mythic+ sand glass is dope

[storm forum]

Yeah it's really a sim yourself angle

[strange python]

LETS GO!!! Nick of time in vault!

[storm forum]

Nice

I will resent you forever

[quaint hull]

Correct i go pips on council, igira, etc.

[quaint hull]

Sim urself until the only must equips is branch or ashes

[storm forum]

Which boss is that?

Does he stand in the middle and doesn't move?

[topaz horizon]

Manafested timeways

[quaint hull]

You feint on cd and cloak…. You never die my friend.

[arctic socket]

Feint is bis

[quaint hull]

Feint every dispell and stand in dark

[storm forum]

Abuse the dark zone when you can

[arctic socket]

Using those new health pots?

[limpid ridge]

Just cheese the boss and stack on top of each other on dark

[quaint hull]

Rogues are immortal. Our hp is tied to CDs

[limpid ridge]

[wary saddle]

how accurate is Sin simming?

[limpid ridge]

ah

fuck

[wary saddle]

sometimes it doesnt make sense to me as it tells me vers > mastery

[arctic socket]

[storm forum]

Yeah my friends and I tried that and we took like 4 ticks immediately and died

[quaint hull]

pretty accurate the issue tends to be the simmer simming for incorrect scenarios.

[arctic socket]

It giving you what’s best for your character

[quaint hull]

you feitn and cloak or get a better healer.

[arctic socket]

Every character is different

[storm forum]

Healer diff idk

[wary saddle]

okay i'll have to trust it thanks love yall

[waxen oyster]

doesnt dwarf save one

[arctic socket]

Some people vers is shit, for others it could be your highest dps stat

[storm forum]

Get more stam/avoidance/leech

[arctic socket]

Just follow what the robot says

[quaint hull]

If you are good enough to do a 25 you could shadowstep to tank to avoid ring damage. 😎

just saying

[arctic socket]

If you’re holding cloak for oh shit buttons and using feint / pots ain’t much else you can do

You could ask for a external

Wouldn’t you have cloak for the second one then?

[vast loom]

Hey my sandglass keeps simming better than like every trinket i get, is this a sim trap situation? i just got a heroic pips and i thought it would be better

[waxen oyster]

sandglass is really good

[arctic socket]

For the third one, just feint spam and pray

[waxen oyster]

idk how sandglass is a sim trap its basically a haste stick that procs damage sometimes

[arctic socket]

I believe you should be able to live threw it with vial / health pot / feint

Vers flask might also help

[waxen oyster]

stoneform op

[arctic socket]

Which flask do you use

[rose hull]

idk we can do hourly

[limpid ridge]

Just roll Vulpera

[arctic socket]

The extra vers might help save ya lol

[vast loom]

yeah i just see a lot of people using other things lol like i know signet brand gets better on longer fights

[potent python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[agile osprey]

Does the cheese on the dispells still work?

[waxen oyster]

depends on your gear

[agile osprey]

[dapper otter]

yo guys quick question about gear

[arctic socket]

The crit flask also damages you

[agile osprey]

Get more vers ez

[arctic socket]

So that’s more damage you have to heal

Try it with a vers flask next

And if you’re doing thst high of keys

[dapper otter]

would a crafted cloak with vers/mastery be a good replacement for the cloak from ToTT?

[arctic socket]

You might as well just flask alternate lmao

[quaint hull]

sim yourself

[vast loom]

yeah im honestly kinda juiced atm, really only need hero branch and vault shit

[storm forum]

Crit/vers is also better for signet brand, and the BiS profile gets more of that cause of branch devaluing mastery.

[waxen oyster]

i need any on use

[errant willow]

Help? Completely lost on this vault, supposedely the neck or trinket of the raid are great, but they are low ilvl

[robust scaffold]

bro your discord banner 💀 😭

[waxen oyster]

simming 200k without an on use trink is scuffed

[agile osprey]

Tbh sim it and go with whatever our robot overlords tell you

[quaint hull]

did you know you could sim vault?

[dapper otter]

aight

would make sense tho, since it'd be the same stats, just 3 ilvl lower

it could have flavor pocket on it

[errant willow]

@quaint hull I simmed, supposedely is the cloak, but those two pieces from the raid...

[dapper otter]

monkaHmm

[quaint hull]

ifi you dont have ashes or branch, go ashes. and craft the cloak

[storm forum]

Wait to see if ashes drops on the next clear

[arctic socket]

Galakrond is rough

Slime boss sucks

The orb damage is ridiculous

[quaint hull]

when you simmed, did you put all vault items to max ilvl?

[simple ore]

Galakrond is one of the easier keys

[simple ore]

Just meld it 😎

[agile osprey]

Hot take flavor packet is the most overrated thing this xpac. What raid doesn't drop a feast every pull anyways? The packet is 70k on my server, deviled eggs are 17g a pop. I'd have to eat over 4000 deviled eggs for the packet to be worth

[hushed fable]

But I mean... if you are into 460 ashes, you probably do more dungeons than raid, so Ashes sucks. Farm Branch, ignore Ashes.:>

[storm forum]

I'm a sucker and I often only take my vault item on the weekend lol.

[arctic socket]

That’s a lot of gas

[surreal citrus]

eat 4000 eggs right now

[agile osprey]

I suck at rogue but I'm good at egg math

I provide the truth yall dont wanna hear

[storm forum]

Flavor packets main benefit is in m+ where you don't need to eat after getting brez'd

[dapper otter]

its a comfort thing nothing more, just like permanent draconic rune

[agile osprey]

Just dont die 5head

[quaint hull]

Deviled Eggs, bro ever heard of thousandbond tongueslicer?

Tongueslicer gamers RISE UP?

[errant willow]

@quaint hull I have the branch in the hero track

[storm forum]

????

[quaint hull]

LMAO then take the cloak bro

[hushed fable]

You pay for the qol, especially in dungeons. I raid, yeah doesn't matter much, although for me main stat is simming lower than double 2ndary food, so feast is kinda yuk.

[storm forum]

Yeah thats an ez cloak angle if you have a good on use already

[errant willow]

Cloak it is, thanks!

[quaint hull]

Father sim would never lie to us ❤️

[errant willow]

Zerocool was saying that branch simms were bait tho

But I see everyone using it

[storm forum]

Maybe you could think about the other 480 item, but it looks like wrists and you'd have to move patch to belt and that sounds like a mess

[sick fern]

What talent build are you using this week? 😄

[errant willow]

It's the same wrists that I have but a bit more ilvl

[quaint hull]

Ashes is really close, easier to use, and scales way better with amps. Im an ash gamer. Especially since its a lot easier to be consistent with. But I try not to share this take in public.

[storm forum]

Branch sims are fine, but branch requires a tiny bit of brain power and movement so in some fights it's a potential liability

[quaint hull]

^

[waxen oyster]

streamers are so cooked with their takes

i swear

[storm forum]

But if you just delay branch use, it still sims better than ashes

So take that as you will

[arctic socket]

What’s y’all thoughts on mirror

[storm forum]

I like mirror in m+

[waxen oyster]

smold trinket

[grim jay]

first few seasons were pretty decent, but it fell of a cliff kinda

[storm forum]

But if I get a branch, I'm probably using that instead of mirror in m+

[arctic socket]

Is it better to use for parsing

[quaint hull]

no lol

Branch is BIS

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure i only see mirror as sub on smoldy

[storm forum]

It might be good on smoldy cause we're delaying DM for the damage amps anyways

[vast loom]

yeah double on use there is nutty

[arctic tusk]

Need ashes buff so the green number branch has on sims doesnt stare me down

[vast loom]

got something for every baldes

[storm forum]

Smoldy amps are 90 seconds between right?

Or was it 70?

[waxen oyster]

with ashes do you have the haste debuff during the 1min kbs

or no

[storm forum]

Yes

If using on CD

The sims should take this into account

[waxen oyster]

they sim within 500 dps for me

but im also haste starved

[storm forum]

I wonder if that's another reason sand glass is siming better for me.

Cause of ashes haste debuff

[waxen oyster]

489 sandglass so it beats even 483 brand for me on 5mins

+dont have to worry about how often it procs

[storm forum]

Yeah I have both at same ilvl and sand glass started siming like 1% better for me when I got some ring upgrades.

At 5 min

[waxen oyster]

how low do yoy have to dip for the ashes to proc again

[storm forum]

Idk, sometimes it procs when I'm at like 20%, sometimes it procs when my friends die

I don't think about it too much

[cunning hull]

is sin still competitive against the other specs even w/o PI? I have an issue with the guild that they decide to PI the Unholy DK and a BM Hunter instead of me the Sin rogue and I have been considering switching to Sub or Law we are M 5/9

good answers please

[slim pebble]

It was a 4.4 percent nerf my guy

Rogue is fine

Play whatever spec you want

[cunning hull]

nah im talking w/o PI

[slim hamlet]

Tight spender on top

[slim pebble]

I pump without PI

[cunning hull]

same but parses sucks xD

[slim pebble]

Dead boss > higher parse

[latent onyx]

if someone guarantees a R5 proc but then asks me to set the order to R4, thats a scam right?

[slim hamlet]

Wrong

[slim pebble]

For me at least

[slim hamlet]

jump in fire if u fuck up CD's

[cunning hull]

bosses are dying regardless

i just hate seen those green parses

[slim hamlet]

No, not a lot u can actually guarentee r5

Most have to proc inspiration

[latent onyx]

I dont know how any of this works, I just want my wrists man

and not get scammed lol

[storm forum]

Do you think you'll play better and/or do more effective damage and/or have more fun playing OL or sub? I wouldn't. Swapping specs won't magically give you better parses unless you're very good at those specs too.

[slim hamlet]

only thing u can actually guarentee is mainstat gems and neck afaik

[cunning hull]

im good at all specs

i mainly play outlaw for keys

almost 3k io

im just really trying to look at this objectivly

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-leave-gif-5785321051025239919

[waxen oyster]

sin has execute

and less fucked by lack ofuptime during non cds

[limpid ridge]

PI wont make you go from green to orange

[slim hamlet]

it will make u go from orange to pink tho

[limpid ridge]

That yes

[storm forum]

Then if you're sad about not getting externals ruining your parses (theyre not), play something else. Rogue is in a very blessed place right now where everything is good. You're not turbo griefing if you play anything.

[limpid ridge]

but green is more of a rotation/gear issue than anything

[cursive jungle]

hi are you guys using different talents for tyrannical week?

[slim hamlet]

Sub in m+