assassination

[cunning needle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[dark token]

and next week

they 100% all sub on smold

burst nerf = bad

[dusk palm]

is there a way to get details to track garrote silence

[woeful wagon]

on titanforged they were talking about how you can delay when you get your orb buff by like 20 seconds on mythic if you bait your orbs properly and that means sending 2 min is fine

[cunning needle]

cursed guide by @oak tangle

[placid kraken]

cursed? that is a work of art

[shut owl]

gotta say, having an absurd 7k haste makes pooling feel wacky atm XD

[cunning needle]

[blazing jewel]

really cringe to do that on melee tbh

basically have to start in the middle and have the boss knock you back

spawn orbs in range

and watch them as they get close

[dark token]

wdym isnt that what u normally do

and does the orb buff stay post intermission if u do late orbs like this??

[placid kraken]

Tbh I hate trying to catch my orbs

I will prob put on Ashes as soon as I get it and never look at branch again lol

[blazing jewel]

not usually what I do

I stand right under boss and they spawn very close

and grab all 5 insta

[dark token]

o by middle u mean middle ring

[blazing jewel]

oh yea

I worded that bad

[keen spruce]

pretty sure whispyr and seli just went over this and it's roughly basically the same

holding better if your lizards and priests are accurately simping

slightly

[south wing]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[spark scaffold]

it depends when you lust aswell

[dark token]

everyone lusts i3

[spark scaffold]

if that's the case for everyone then DMing on pull nets you an extra potion usage

[dark token]

no you pot i1 and i4

[spark scaffold]

fair, your second pot is the same in both cases at 6:30\

it literally looks the same though, just a question of 1 buffed DM vs 2 unbuffed

not sure if disc priests are going to be a fan of losing a PI cast though

[fallen forge]

how good is good

[dark token]

when ur on pug smolderon

and rip from tanks

[cunning needle]

funniest part is that if you were full hp

you could have tanked the melee hit

[past forum]

this aint SoD, mate, you cant be tankin no bosses

[blazing jewel]

what do you mean

[fallen forge]

like how close to the sim would u consider good

[dark token]

u should be better than sim

cause u getting pi

👍

[earnest remnant]

just sim with pi

[arctic tusk]

if i lose like 15 seconds of time should I send DM kb before the p2 lust on larodar

or wait for the lust

[earnest remnant]

if you wont lose a cast

send it with lust

[arctic tusk]

@earnest remnant also this is ur opener on this fight

is it to get everythiung set up for adds

faster

[dark token]

Is that larodar

[earnest remnant]

yeah

[dark token]

Yes if so

Idk what other fight you do it on besides larodar and tindral hc

[shut owl]

finally broke 200k sim 😄

[earnest remnant]

wait did i do that on our first kill

i actually dont remember doing that xD

[arctic tusk]

this is the one on ur yt so

i guess so

[dark token]

Stealthi I need a vod of u using branch on pull perfectly on tindral M

[earnest remnant]

i dont play branch

[fiery mauve]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Pooling Practice Tool

[earnest remnant]

so gl with that

[dark token]

I've been trying like 10 different strats

It's impossible

[arctic tusk]

got branch on this fight

that trinket is quite cringe

[dark token]

You play ashes > branch on every fight?

Or just took off for tindral

[earnest remnant]

i play ashes

[dark token]

My ashes is normal

[earnest remnant]

i hate branch with a passion

mine is mythic

[gusty mirage]

oh shit

I can get a mythic one in vault

[drifting cloud]

how about a socket

[gusty mirage]

u rite

it would be consistent

[tall atlas]

I will not stress about the branch I will allow the twig to come to me

[gusty mirage]

I can also shove that socket up my ass

[mighty nexus]

when KB cleaves from caustic, all that damage shows up on details under caustic right ?

[lusty nacelle]

yes

[dark token]

Why isn't branch on pull and doing like 1/7/7 optimal btw

[mighty nexus]

thanks homie

[fallen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-angry-mad-face-branch-gif-14675889

me after watching jpc not use branch in rfw

[sonic schooner]

ICANT

[runic hinge]

What gem are you putting in it

[gusty mirage]

tindral's cock

[fallen forge]

based

[runic hinge]

🥵

[lament sequoia]

So how hard is that nerf hitting?

[bright surge]

check pins

[lament sequoia]

👍🏾

[drifting cloud]

was hoping for root hp nerf but maybe would have made the fight alot easier

the 2s on seed in p2 expected

[gusty mirage]

I'd like visual clarity buffs personally

like take the texture for the moonfires he casts

and delete it

[drifting cloud]

we had to move raid because server was down ill let you know in 20h how I feel about it

[gusty mirage]

I thought the changes were happening on reset

[drifting cloud]

no I mean gotta kill smolderon first!

havent pulled the flashbang man yet

[gusty mirage]

oh tru

flashbang man hurts

both physically and emotionally

[drifting cloud]

hopefully we should be able to make some ground on that kinda of a boss

[gusty mirage]

feather spawns should in theory help

[drifting cloud]

I dont even understand that change

[gusty mirage]

so he'd shit them out behind him

you'd need someone to taunt like 1s before he turned into the bird

to get them in the same spot every time

[drifting cloud]

oh the dh taunt

I see

[gusty mirage]

ya

in theory, the change makes that irrelevant

[south wing]

can I get tier PLEASE

is buying the pvp tier and upgrading it troll?

im straight fiending

[blazing jewel]

dh taunt is turbo cringe

[earnest remnant]

tindral is a fun fight tho

[shell kettle]

Kinda, it comes at a lower ilvl

[south wing]

even if I’m rocking old 4pc

[drifting cloud]

2k rio is free, theres 2 catalyst charges, not sure what else you need

[south wing]

another piece

raid and vault has been unkind to me

[ocean ginkgo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[past forum]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[rotund flame]

When do I use witherbark as assassination?

[balmy condor]

macro it into dm

[jaunty warren]

So fire mages suck..I can’t see the floor with their crap everywhere

Do I need to cloak? Move ? Shadowstep? Who knows cus there is mage fire everywhere

/ rant mode off..apologies

[rotund flame]

Thank you!

[shut owl]

try doing BRH with two bm hunters. your screen will be 100% giant animals thrashing around spamming spin moves and red swirlies

ground effects from mages and shit you can turn down. dunno why that doesn't apply to allied pets

[finite fiber]

I both laughed and cried way to hard when I read this.

[shell kettle]

Imagine playing instanced content with spell effects set to anything other than essential only

[jaunty warren]

Just did BRH with a hunter and fire mage…flaming kittens everywhere. Died twice because I couldn’t see the brown swirls

Blarrgh

[shut owl]

I had mine turned off. dunno what witchcraft made that no longer apply to bm pets

[jaunty warren]

I will look at the spell effects detail..thought I had it turned down. Thanks for the reminder

[urban rampart]

Is there a reason why this guy doesn't really pool? He's just dumping envenoms and even after energy starved hes spamming mutilate

https://youtu.be/Xt_cz34aFeI?t=1812

[balmy condor]

Is there a reason? Idk probably

Is it a good reason? Very doubtful

[cunning needle]

pressing buttons is fun, and not pressing buttons is not fun

if i wanted to not press buttons i'd watch a stream

[dawn kelp]

Am I suppose to still play this spec in raid

Or will I get trolled

Bro that’s crazy

[wide whale]

all your CDs and restealths are down, and tank is pulling into another pack.

how do you spread bleeds? or do you just get garrote and rupture up on 1 target, then caustic, into fok/envenom chains?

[runic hinge]

Depends on how long I think the pack is gonna live

[thorny pond]

dance KB window

[runic hinge]

Usually I’ll rupture 3 and garrote on cd tho

[wide whale]

i feel like by the time i'm doing spreading bleeds around slowly, pack is dead and i've pulled 68k dps

during that window

[rotund oak]

fok into ruptures into garrote on cd

(provided its 3targets+)

[runic hinge]

Well if the pack isn’t living long enough for it to be worth to spread bleeds then maybe just spread a couple for energy and for envenom

[plain onyx]

anyone using Luxthos' WA ?

[leaden garden]

hey, question regarding shiv, do i ever use it when its caped on 2 without the kingsbane-combo?

[runic hinge]

I do

[steel ridge]

Its zerocool, the guy just games and doesnt compute guides. The embodiment of no fucks given

[eternal heath]

holy shit guys I got a piece of gear in LFR on an alt

Gamechanging

[slate crown]

It happens. We're a burst spec, outside of burst and no stealths, not much you can do. We're going to have some low dps pulls when our dance/vanish isn't available

[strange python]

at how many targets should i start to use CT?

[slate crown]

4

[leaden garden]

hey, question regarding shiv, do i ever use it when its caped on 2 without the kingsbane-combo? or do i save itr always for kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

If it’s capped at 2 you messed up the previous kingsbane

2 charges of shiv is 1 min

30 seconds each

Kingsbane is 1 min

[leaden garden]

aaah yeah

[still stirrup]

Does anyone have issue with the last mutilate/ambush not going off after stealth window ends? Seems to only happen around this time, dunno if I am pressing it too late when its trying to transition from amb > mut or something

[plain onyx]

So each shiv for each kb cd ? Not both for one kb ?

[agile geode]

Is Just 4% on st the Nerf?

[balmy condor]

Shiv is 8 seconds, kingsbane is 14

Gotta cast both to cover it

[plain onyx]

Ahh alright, thanks

[wide whale]

yes lol, i was just gonna complain about this. it usually happens when i press it a little late

[rancid bane]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[still stirrup]

I was guessing it validates if its going to do an ambush or not but if you're too late and its back to mutilate already it cancels it

Was happening last season for me with shadowstrike/gloomblade as well

[slate crown]

Yes, several of us experience this.

[still stirrup]

Ok, good to know it's not just me

[runic hinge]

Mine does that and my solution is to just hope I proc a blindside

[wide whale]

i just panic on aoe packs and lose all sensibilites

drop all bleeds

do no damage

[balmy condor]

On aoe you would be garroting though

[wide whale]

no this is a separate sentiment entirely

i'm realizing why im bad

[balmy condor]

Oh

[worn fossil]

I mean for practise you can only cleave from one target and dont have to Change around for the beginning

Cause you can spread garrote and rapture from one target

(and reapply with vanish)

Might be helpful

[winged sun]

how are there 2 oxi's

oh 3

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-second-child-there-are-two-of-them-getting-out-of-hand-gif-16342964

[strange python]

Finaly

got my hacked dc acc back guys

[cunning needle]

thats something a hacker would say

[empty pilot]

On an aoe pull are you garroting twice on the same mob to spread? i notice some people do and some make a point to swap.

[drifting cosmos]

Spread

[cunning needle]

if you garrote on the same mob you will get 4 garrotes off, if you swap you will get 6

6 > 4

[winged sun]

to comfort others that he got his acc back and hes not the hacker thats pretending to be the hacker

[willow kite]

You'll get 5, no?

Assuming enough targets in range for the smart targeting

[steel ridge]

what kind of math is that, its 7 vs. 9

[cunning needle]

Garrote Target 1 - hits 1 and 2
garrote target 1 - Hits 1 and 3
garrote target 1 - hits 1 and 4

[steel ridge]

IC hits 3 targets, not 2 tho

so its 1+2+2+2 or 1+2+1+2+1+2 if you swap targets.

[cunning needle]

wait really it's 3?

[steel ridge]

jesus christ

[cunning needle]

yellow name things

[steel ridge]

hecking zoomers

barely out of the diapers and already spreading misinformation right

[neat horizon]

Which build do yall play on fortified and why ? Dbt or AP ?

[cunning needle]

you think i read talents?

[empty pilot]

ok so if the pull is >9 then same mob is ok?

[neat horizon]

idk i feel like DBT is the better build due to it having giga boss damage while also not losing on alot of aoe

[steel ridge]

no if the pull is 7 or lower, the same mob is ok

if its 8 or more targets you want to target new mobs

[empty pilot]

ty

[steel ridge]

buuuut you dont really want to overwrite improved garrotes

[cunning needle]

thats kinda chill tbh

[empty pilot]

multi target a lot anyway because silence is good

[steel ridge]

so be careful where you put your 4th garrote

[cunning needle]

isn't it okay? you're overwriting it with an imp garrote anyway

[steel ridge]

if theres like 10 mobs, and you garrote a 4th time, you would potentially overwrite 2 improved garrotes somewhere

so in that case it could be benefitial to garrote the same mob 3 times and then spread another garrote on the last 3 mobs

but well... edge cases and shit

just fuck it

[chilly tangle]

How guys u make kb +++kk dmg on aoe? My max is 2.4kk... I dont know where is problem..
Max overal 210k...
I do opener and keep windows with kb

[steel ridge]

proc more

idk, saying your max is 2.4m without context, talents and buffs is kinda not saying anything

either you provide a log, vod or you might aswell ask your crystal ball

[chilly tangle]

I can put simc or something

[steel ridge]

you could put some onions on your head and pretent to be a kebab, still wouldnt make us any wiser

what exactly is your question? are you feeling your kb is a wet noodle?

maybe your gear sucks

maybe you forgot to put on poisons

maybe you broke your wrist while doing the opener

or maybe you just got unlucky while being perfect

[hoary isle]

OR blame no PI

or NO WF

[steel ridge]

anyway, kingsbane is dead now! long live secret technique

[hoary isle]

on a serious note , There are a lot of small considerations with KB and aoe .

• DO you have splatter on kb target?
• Do you maintain envenom buff ? or are we spreading ruptures or maybe not targetting kb target when you envenom?
• Scent of blood stacks?
  While these are common sense to most of us . I have caught myself making atleast one of these mistakes

I have also kingsbaned the maggot in waycrest. Pls no flame.

[steel ridge]

envenom is a self buff, not a debuff, doesnt matter what you target with envenom, the problem is the auto attacks not hitting the kb target

[hoary isle]

ye not targetting

[steel ridge]

the envenom hit itself has a chance to apply poisons, so swapping is not advised

but thats fishing in the dark, idk

[wraith cosmos]

honestly, most keys ive ran mobs die before i get full value of kb

if it takes you too long to spread dots packs just melt before you get good kb value

so trying to minmax sob stacks ends up backfiring a little there

though not really cause then your dots are just stronger

[steel ridge]

i mean, if you run arterial shock build, you dont rely that heavily on dm/kb in pulls where mobs are somewhat even in health

its better to hold and use it on a target thats actually worth bursting down

than just throwing it out there for the sake of "using it on cd"

if you just do your weekly 20s everything just explodes anyway

[grim jay]

Easiest solution

Just play your keys with an augvoker or bad dps

[icy acorn]

just make sure there is no dh

because he will blast the adds within 3 seconds

[royal lantern]

whats the difference

[plucky canopy]

i made it

branch is only a minimal upgrade to embersoul

[grim jay]

One is generally bad dps and the other mostly comes down to bad players

[grim jay]

The question really is if the best simming branch gear you can get is only slightly better compared to the ashes setup you got there

[plucky canopy]

davyn !

thats not relevant

only this pictures is relevant

nothing to look further into

[grim jay]

Dang you must really hate branch

[proper forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[plucky canopy]

nah its fine, i was always just so curious why people played embersoul over branch

[rotund oak]

wonder if it beats mythic embersoul

[plucky canopy]

and now i find something which is really close

[grim jay]

I mean 200 dps would be worth the hassle

Of picking orbs

[plucky canopy]

it easy aswell

[grim jay]

But the question still remains

[plucky canopy]

but in keys something its weird (of course it is weird cuz u maybe fucked up the timing), but sometimes u use orb and tank goes to narnia

than u have your orbs on the other side of that wardrobe

[slate crown]

Yeah keys it can get fucked real easy

[plucky canopy]

and it is gg

[slate crown]

For trash at least

[blazing jewel]

branch is fairly difficult to use on smold+tindral

so it sucks on bosses too

[plucky canopy]

thats with branch gear btw

smoldi u would play sub with ember + branch or?

best case szenario

[snow kindle]

yes

[blazing jewel]

not sure on sin

[plucky canopy]

on sub

[snow kindle]

as sub 100%

[blazing jewel]

people have had good results with both

could even play mirror

[rotund oak]

what about cataclysmic

[plucky canopy]

i think depending on what they change for tindral, there is almost no shot i gonna play branch there

just to much to get baited into something stupid

[blazing jewel]

for 2nd and 3rd platforms

branch doesnt feel bad

its mostly on pull

[plucky canopy]

and it is 2k dps diff between both best setups, so w/e almost

[blazing jewel]

because the 2nd and 3rd times you use it your hitting a shield

on pull is bad because the boss is being pulled a good distance away and you bait a large fire cirle on top of the group

[plucky canopy]

oh, you don´t use rogues for breaking roots?

thought that might be the timing for our cds

[blazing jewel]

nah

sub has okay timings for root damage

but thats not the main purpose of rogues on that fight

[plucky canopy]

yea first seems sketchy, but maybe u could just delay and insta pick all 3 than for the last 10sec of kb

[blazing jewel]

not sure about kb timings for roots I havent played sin on it recently

[plucky canopy]

have to see, a lot of time until we get there

[royal lantern]

🤢

[plucky canopy]

today hopefully lordi and nymueh gonna fall 🙏

[blazing jewel]

it looks like there is a set that kb will cleave into adds

from looking at logs

[snow kindle]

Tswift just depends what your raid needs the rogue to do

you could use your CDS on shield or on roots without losing a use

[blazing jewel]

you 100% send on shield

that is straight trolling if you dont

both sub and sin are so far ahead of other classes on shield damage

[snow kindle]

thats why most just play sub

or double up on either one sin/sub

it really just depends what the raid needs

[tawny geyser]

This way I´d like to leave a feedback for our boy @balmy condor who took his time to coach me yesterday, with patience, understanding and also a few jokes here and there.
Such a great person.
Without him I would never realize the mistakes I´ve been doing.

I will definetely be coming again for his advice.
And if someone is hesitating or thinking about getting a coach, I highly recommend him, your money and time wont be a waste.
Thank you once again!

[runic hinge]

Whispyr paying people to shill in discord again smh my head

[strange python]

whispyr deserve some love guys and girls

[tawny geyser]

Not even close. Just my decision.

[runic hinge]

I’m just joking

[misty holly]

List a high key, and then invite the most undergeared dps to run it with you. Big brain move to maximize Kingsbane uptime.

[lucid otter]

What builds have people been using the most in M+ I am running 20+ keys but cant seem to settle on a build suppose its a good thing to have multiple builds to pick

[willow vine]

AP because I can’t live without blindside

[clever perch]

wtf is this shit i can't play

[mystic osprey]

lmao

[empty quartz]

it will only be 440k next week dw

[tawny geyser]

Never invite a DH to your key. You will just be depressed afterwards.

[grim jay]

Spanish I guess

[balmy condor]

glad you enjoyed the time, thank you

[plain moon]

Anybody else having problems with Branch on M Larodar? Moving a lot of the fight, few times I had to run backwards out of melee just to pick up my orbs so they wouldn’t despawn, ended up happening accidentally a couple times

[neat horizon]

me everytime i get a dh with me

its unreal how better than any other class they are at the moment

atleast in m+

in raid we clap them easily

[oak tangle]

GOLPE CRITICO

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/gente-loca-gente-loca-gif-20529172

[mystic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[solar ocean]

I'm watching a vid about an opener, but I can't get half the dps shown. Granted, I'm 440 ilvl, should I worry about it atm or wait until better gear?

[mystic osprey]

get good and get gear at same time

cant always blame things on gear

[grim jay]

440 is ass tho

[mystic osprey]

yeah

no shit

[grim jay]

You can start comparing at like 470

[gaunt ocean]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[spark rain]

So like I’m currently taking a fat dump rn and it lowkey hurt

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-cat-creepy-cat-cat-zoom-kitty-gif-12199043

[spark rain]

Anybody got baby wipes they can share

[shadow pine]

So you sometimes want to hold your horses before spending your cps? Cant seem to get over about 80 to 90k dps in ST though I follow the guide and rotation (I think)

[velvet herald]

hey guys, is assa currently better than outlaw for m+? even despite the nerfs?

[worn fossil]

Both performing really Well, Nerf is not huge, play what you like

[still stirrup]

And if you are asking this question it probably doesn't matter either 😅

[plush tusk]

that trinket is just shit. on tindral it's even worse. Just pray getting ashes 😄

[versed mica]

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

[upper spear]

daggers too tho?

[versed mica]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-doomer-gif-25753254

[plain moon]

I pray I get a mythic one once we kill smolder so I can drop it. The heroic one idk if i can justify using

[versed mica]

Anyone got the branch + DM macro handy?

im lazy lol

[worn fossil]

/Cast DM /use 13 ?

[plush tusk]

#showtooltip /cast Deathmark /use 13

[royal lantern]

litearlly just /use deathmark /use 14 lol

[worn fossil]

Not that hard

[royal lantern]

14>13

stay mad L

[neat horizon]

yikes

[versed mica]

ikr

[plush tusk]

ye true

[worn fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/restraint-no-restraint-hold-me-back-gif-13416230

[versed mica]

im just surprised this many people enabled my laziness lmfao

[plush tusk]

i mean i' in the office

nothing to do

[neat horizon]

its nothing compared to assa rotation in m+

so they thought it was a walk in the park

:3

[plush tusk]

it literally took you longer to open discord and ask your question mate xD

[versed mica]

shhhh

[noble nova]

Yo guys, i recently heard a bug where if a DH placed the sigil of fire and you had your DoTs on adds it would nullify them

Any of this is true?

[jade abyss]

short question about aoe, when i have my bleeds up and envenom my caustic target i still waiting for my next envenom when my envenom buff hits 1 second ?

[drifting cosmos]

Isn’t that the fear sigil?

[jade abyss]

or i spam like a idiot?

[drifting cosmos]

Removes all the dots, it’s been like that for a while. But it increases 20% of their dmg

Outside kb you pool, inside you don’t

[olive river]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[jade abyss]

thanks

[grim jay]

If its aoe you should be regenerating energy like crazy

You never wanna overcap

[warped willow]

Real stupid question, if i have say 9 targets and i garrote thrice out of stealth, but on the same target; Will i have 7, 8 or 9 garrotes spread out?

[versed mica]

3 2 2

7

[worthy heart]

sorry if this has been asked before, so the bottom line on wednesday's nerfs is: if you're a pi target, you wont notice a change pretty much?

[warped willow]

Aight, ty. So i assume target switching is seen as mandatory then in big packs

[neat plank]

the gear upgrade from vault is probably gonna be bigger than the nerf 🙂

[royal lantern]

you mean the half a socket?

[worthy heart]

ok, so i dont have to go and learn from scratch sub (i really dont like sub)?

[royal lantern]

why

would you even consider that

if you dont like sub

[worthy heart]

cause numbers in details

[versed mica]

it probably aint a big deal. As long as you are getting enough energy and you're spattering hard, I think it's fine

but I ain't an expert

[royal lantern]

always show me

[quiet oar]

Idk Socket are like 0.4%

[shadow pine]

Any idea on this? Pooling outside of kb?

[restive dawn]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[distant fog]

whats the overall loss with normal ebon might shifting sand and presience ?

[neat plank]

what do you guys mean "socket", you already got BIS gear everywhere? wtf

[distant fog]

man i need to join aug group and see what their big brains are doing

[neat plank]

the only thing you can get from vault is a socket?

[distant fog]

yes

i was socket gamer

[neat plank]

I have months of vault to go for bis 🙂

[quiet oar]

I literally picked a Socket on my first vault

3 boots and 2 shoulder while i had tset shoulder and a nightmare eggshell

[wraith cosmos]

i feel like this week will be socket week for me

unless literally any passive trinket appears in vault

[plush tusk]

mark my words: tomorrow doti dagger or a smolderon trinket

[delicate trench]

!wa

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[fervent ember]

Someone can link me a good run in m+ for the assa ? With This i can analyse rotation and more ☺️

And raid run Also

I really want to improve on the rogue

[steel stump]

I'm not the best sin rogue (my envenom uptime kinda sucks) but there you go
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/axn4fYXVPjC8Ar7b#fight=4&type=summary
Hero/normal reclean
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w9qfF4MXZRdC736W

But you can check overall rankings as well

for boss kills

Compare kill times with your raid kill times to make sure it's similar with what you can do yourself

[valid leaf]

Go watch zerocool on youtube it will help

But if you expect playing keys below 22 id suggest you to go with sub or outlaw

[fervent ember]

A watch à lot of her vidéos but is litteraly à god on it xD

[leaden garden]

I just got the raid dagger with on use effect, can i macro this to something? or do i have to actively think about it?

[calm ravine]

Is it possible to track how much stacks of damage multiplier a had for KB?

[fervent ember]

I try to do the same but i didnt si the same damage

[valid leaf]

The damage varies with who you play and what key level it is

[fervent ember]

Oh okay

[valid leaf]

If you play a 17 with giga geared dh don’t expect assa to perform

[agile geode]

There Is a playstile around sanguine blades or i Just pool my envenoms outside cd burst?

[valid leaf]

Your damage profile requires targets to live for some duration and in low keys assa aint it

[fervent ember]

Because in aoe when i make a good rotation i can make a start with 600k or more but just 15sec and after i glow down Like 300k

[royal lantern]

who the fuck cares about Performance in low keys anyway

stuff dies

[valid leaf]

No one but im saying if he isnt playing “higher keys” theres no point of playing assa

[steel stump]

Yeah below 20-22s there's no point comparing dps

adds die too fast

[valid leaf]

^

[steel stump]

but your boss damage is good anyway so it's ok

[royal lantern]

nope, just maintain envenom and when you cant do anymore you Pool until cd's up again

[steel stump]

and prio damage is always good on packs

[agile geode]

Thx

[royal lantern]

i mean

its fun

[fervent ember]

Who ? Someone who start the class 😂 Like me i dont go in 20 or more because il not good with it

[royal lantern]

well, then its simply

burst->you won

backloaded dmg patterns in content where stuff dies faster is just not that great

so you either accept that and dont care about it cus its lower content

or play something different if you do care

[agile geode]

What do you think about nerfs? Would sub go above or?

[royal lantern]

idc about the nerfs lmao

[agile geode]

I mean, i know that specs are balanced and sin Is still very good, but what do you think?

[valid leaf]

It depends on a key and the pulls tank does

[agile geode]

I'll Stick on assa btw

[steel stump]

sub requires perfect timming of dust, not good for all bosses

[weak sierra]

raid dagger isnt something you cast a lot. You cast it once to get the buff and it lasts forever until you unequip or pick a new buff

[steel stump]

assa will be ahead except for smolderon maybe tindral as well IMO

[agile geode]

Kk

[royal lantern]

its ~ -4% in raids and ~-2% in dungeons

[agile geode]

Yes i know

I read pins

[royal lantern]

sub allready was "better" for smoldy and argruably for tswift

sooo

yeha that one got slightly bigger

[grand trail]

It's kinda funny I see at raid logs people have it macroed to mutilate:D

[steel stump]

I also think assa is better for progress

[obsidian ridge]

If there is a rogue spec to stick with in raid its 100% assassination

[steel stump]

^

[fervent ember]

Okay in key i do 140k overhall with 465 ilv i think im mid tier rogue 😂 but I Check raid i didnt do the same I make litteraly 150k dps 💀

[subtle tundra]

watch zerocool on youtube for m+

[real stirrup]

you can put "/use Cruel Dreamcarver" and it'll grant you the buff and you don't have to use it again. I just use it non-stop anyways in whatever instance I'm in.

[fervent ember]

Im very bad in raid d

[subtle tundra]

you did more dps in raid than in m+

[grim jay]

With the #1 build for m+

[lyric grail]

What do we do when we try to get a good parse after the nerf ? The old logs stay the same right ? So for new people it will be way harder to reach the dps from before nerf?

[steel stump]

Just kill the boss

There's always gonna be a group killing the boss in 1min doing 100k more dps than you what's the point. Just play the class to the best of your ability and kill the boss

[quartz shore]

Hello guys i see a lot of rogue playing Assassination actually raid and mm+ (the spec seams rlly good)

i'm outlaw

should i try ? 🙂

[hushed fern]

anyone here can check my logs rq

[forest nacelle]

good morning 😄

[arctic socket]

Good luck on vaults today

I hope I get a Nicholas

[earnest remnant]

damn u from the future n shit

[fluid lagoon]

sup guys, can someone tell me whats the reason to drop out sudden demise and ct over arterial precision?

[kindred crescent]

werid question but with ambush does it turn mutilate into ambush on proc or is there a way to do that more automatically?

[subtle tundra]

i am about to cry

[leaden garden]

What piece of tier set is the worst for asa? tryin to plan what to craft etc

[dark token]

All of them are same for assa pretty much

Legs by a very small margin

[leaden garden]

alright, thanks

[dark token]

I recommend u replace the head tho

Because it is worse for other 2 specs by a larger margin

It will let u multispec better

And assa doesn't really care

[leaden garden]

cheers

[forest nacelle]

is head piece that bad?

wait.

[dark token]

For sub and outlaw yes

[forest nacelle]

oh

the multi spec part

my b

[dark token]

Also another reason is mythic head drops 1 upgrade track lower since it's off first boss, all other tier is 483

Tier head is off tindral so good luck

[forest nacelle]

true

[dark token]

So you would spend 15 extra crest upgrading gnarlroot catalyst head

Most people probably want a ring craft this week tho, sim yoself

[plush tusk]

crafting a 476 ring with free socket might be the play, since wyrm crests have no use anymore.

[modern badger]

Wich stats should i aim for assa in m+ just a quick overall

[plush tusk]

crit mastery

and vers

and a bit of haste

[hollow vessel]

Hey, my Kingsbanes are often too weak. Sometimes I get to what I should be hitting, but other times they dont do anything.

I think there are 3 problems:

• Mastery is too low. I only have 42% of mastery and my rogue is 477 already.
• Missing autoattacks when using Vanish.
• Not grabbing the branch orbs as we are supposed to.

The trinket one is pretty much self explanatory, Id like to know more about Vanish because Im pretty sure Im doing something wrong there

[fiery flower]

likewise

[real stirrup]

DHT the hardest dungeon in the rotation at the moment? So many fails

[forest nacelle]

using hissing runes?

[pastel ermine]

rise is easily

[forest nacelle]

just curious

[tidal spire]

What build does he play? Seems like a mix of the arterial precision and hybrid build or something

[solid mica]

yo i think the giant option for dagger is bugged? doesn't increase my hp at all when i get the buff from giants

[grim jay]

I actually dont wanna share that "thing"

Just stick to whispyrs builds

[steel ridge]

wdym missing auto attacks when using vanish?

[paper heart]

!wa

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[final dirge]

Hi guys, do we know the reason Why sometimes, the shadowmelt/stealth macro does not work in MM+ and sometimes it does ? I mean is there any specific condition to make it works ?

[spice spire]

It doesn’t work for bosses

[low phoenix]

Hey doe any1 know if there is there a soft cap for crit or mastery that i shouldnt go over ?

[spice spire]

There isn’t

You’re just constantly simming

[low phoenix]

Ty @spice spire ❤️

[hollow vessel]

I think I take too long to cast a skill after going into Vanish. So, I believe that my character stops hitting and misses a few AAs

[fringe mirage]

is there any screenshot of sim of next week(after nerf)

[robust axle]

I mean just press another button after using vanish lol

[royal lantern]

take your current sim

reduce it by 4%

thats it

[olive veldt]

Anyone every kings bane in big aoe and lose the mob they are hitting cuz dodging a mechanic? (Yes shadow step but... still)

Marking starting now...

[limber acorn]

is it ok to macro SD and KB?

[quaint hull]

sure just make sure kb casts

[velvet ridge]

/ cast kb
/ focus target
Can help

[brave stump]

I always Mark my funnel targets with Star and Tell my Group to not Hit the Star mobs

Could work for your Problem aswell

[native heron]

good luck on vaults today peeps! 🙂

[forest nacelle]

you too 😄

[solar night]

May your vaults have the Sub gear you need 🙂

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

can sub my balls

[steel ridge]

well you dont sit there, just instantly press button xD

[grim jay]

People magically thinking it will be a bad option

And they need to reroll

[solar night]

For the record. I was being facetious

[grim jay]

I wish everyone was

[royal lantern]

🙂

[grim jay]

Cant wait for all the people switching to sub instead of improving, while not even having great sin performance, and then absolutely slaughtering dust. All while sin clearly still is a top spec

[icy acorn]

i mean.
if you are not having a good performance on sin, you most likely will be even worse on dustsub

imo sub is alot harder than sin because on sin all you have to know is the opener+KB rotation, pooling is literally getting off your keyboard and drink a coffee or something

[plush tusk]

my new sim actually is only 2,5 % lower kekw

[olive veldt]

I feel like sin is more publishing if you mess up opener/kb. Might be the reason

Punishing*

[grim jay]

Thats cope

[icy acorn]

nah sub ist way more punishing

[grim jay]

You can desync everything you wanna sync on sub

[icy acorn]

you dont even have to hit every global in KB to deal massive dmg

[grim jay]

And lose casts left and right

[brave stump]

Hardest Part to learn as outlaw main

[icy acorn]

i mean, its prefered to hit all of them

but its not as severe as it seems

[brave stump]

4 cp but 30 energy

[icy acorn]

in kb? should have gotten your hands off your keyboard 10 seconds before it came up

[brave stump]

Nah but between 2 and 3 CD i mostly starve

[icy acorn]

ppl just want to doom and think 4,4% bis gear nerf will be the end of a spec that was dealing like 10% more than the rest

[brave stump]

On council it was actually

Dotting around for energy

[icy acorn]

council fights

basicly 1 target fight with dot/splatter cleave

just attack the guy thats beside the bear kekw

[brave stump]

But energy goes

[olive veldt]

I'm just glad nick of time isn't a rare drop. Over 30 falls I've gotten three of them

[brave stump]

I dont think you're allowed to say that in here

[hushed fern]

well i did 60+, had around 6 daggers drop but 0 trinkets

[brave stump]

[icy acorn]

lets pray to the rogue gods like fuu and get one in your myth track vault

[olive veldt]

1/10 seems not insane

[brave stump]

I got the second on the 41th run with leech

[olive veldt]

😭

Rough

[brave stump]

Was close to mental asylum

No rio

Every rogue applying for dungeon

[solar night]

….. 34 Falls last week, never saw a dagger or the trinket

[icy acorn]

just have 2900+ rio and get insta invited

[brave stump]

It Took me longer to get in dungeon than to actually run it

[olive veldt]

I'm with you on trinket. Rio does help or do easier level keys

[hushed fern]

tbh i bought it on my 62. run for 100k from a dh because i couldnt stand farming dungeons anymore

[forest notch]

Is Leech or avoidance usually prefered? I just noticed my base leech heals for a lot

[brave stump]

Got New 4 Set this id

[forest notch]

wondering if I should do leech on bracers/cloak

[brave stump]

[icy acorn]

lets put in that sweet "4p" into the note then

[full coral]

Hey, could someone help me with simming my character? Nick of Time on the raidbots website doesn't allow me to sim it with Timestrike, anyone know how to fix that?

[solar night]

Avoidance for harder content. Leach doesn’t stop the one shot

[spice surge]

It has the timestrike, just wowhead tooltips doesnt show it

[feral mason]

got 25% leech on my char rn if you want to include the dagger thing

shits kinda funny

dropped the double leech pants aswell but dont sim that well, would be even higher otherwise

[swift rune]

can someone tag me for cap stats % idk how many maestry +crit+versa+haste i need

[cursive owl]

u need basicly everything

there is no cap

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[stiff pivot]

Do what Sims say

[cursive owl]

sim for better stats

[stiff pivot]

This is the answer youll get for almost every spec

[visual shuttle]

I have done 48 Fall Keys i got 7 trinkets and 1 dagger 😅

[cursive owl]

there is no flat stacking one stat , u need every stat . thats it

[full coral]

Cheers mate, just had some issues earliere simming, but i can see i should just farm the dagger and replace my crafted dagger

[sick bramble]

Yo out of curiousity - Timestrike doesn't scale with ilvl right so a 483 ~ 489 in OH?

[cursive owl]

pog i done 40 keys and didnt seen the dagger once

[spice surge]

It doesnt scale at all no

[sick bramble]

have hope got my first at ~ 40th run

[spice spire]

Real

[cursive owl]

mainhand always more ilvl

[brave stump]

Outlaw loot specced?

[sick bramble]

yea just beacause MH wep damage has insane scaling right in general for damage

[cursive owl]

ye

[latent gazelle]

attacks usually scale of MH dmg

OH=stat stick

[cursive owl]

what shiv said

[plain onyx]

do i really have to envenom exactly at 4cp no matter what build I'm playing? or either 4 or more ?

[sick bramble]

yea I know the raidbots stat weights are discouraged but it really shows how wep damage is like 4x main stat some times

[cursive owl]

unless ure enhancement shaman and play around lavastrike, which explicit scale oh dmg

[brave stump]

You do 5 atleast in before a cd

[latent gazelle]

guide says 4 with 4 pc does it not?

[cursive owl]

guide says 4+ no ?

i gues 4 and moore

[brave stump]

Its only for cds

[latent gazelle]

no

[cursive owl]

i have always either 4 or 8 , 2 wasted cause of 50% crit

[latent gazelle]

where does it say that?

[brave stump]

No i meant the 5

[icy acorn]

you only do 5+ cp when going into a DM combo

[forest notch]

fair, that tracks. ty

[icy acorn]

otherwise 4

[brave stump]

Should specified for dm

Danke dir

[cursive owl]

question

if my mutilate always crit

[velvet ridge]

Man this blindside nerf feels so bad, noticeably less procs. Didn't think I would mind this much

[cursive owl]

do i do 4 cp or 6 cp cause 2 cp would be lost anyway

like , having more crit is nice but does it matter that much if i use 4 cp against 6 ? that would be 1 extra envenom all 3 casts

[warm shard]

hey just to make sure once we have 4 pc we no longer want to play around Sanguine blades and should focus on the envenom explosions even if it means dropping below 50% energy outside of our burst windows correct?

[robust axle]

Yes

[icy acorn]

you would also have to cast mutilate/ambush more often

[cursive owl]

well

yes

so less energy

uwu

but on the other hand i waste cp points 😒

[full coral]

When in doubt- just press the buttons abit harder and faster

[earnest remnant]

see combo points at 4 or more combo points

press finisher

[cursive owl]

yes

[icy acorn]

10/10 combo

[robust axle]

I mean the only important this is that you maintain envenom - depending on procs you do that at 4 or 6 cps

[cursive owl]

any takes of our guide gurus ?

[brave stump]

I heard the amount of pressure on your right mouse Button is relative to your dps

[icy acorn]

no dps is only affected by wiggling with a and d inbetween globals

[hardy dagger]

Or how🧱 you are

[cursive owl]

i rarely have 6 cps effizent ? its always 4 and then 6

[forest notch]

Anyone happen to know how to figure out which of these is from blindside?

I guess I can search spell ID on wowhead?

[cursive owl]

both the same o.o

[forest notch]

different spell ID though

ones blindside

[cursive owl]

ye

[forest notch]

ones normal ambush

was trying to see how much of my dmg is blindside

[robust axle]

I mean you just press envenom on 4, and then mutilate twice again. Its really not rocket science, just dont let you envenom fall. Just always use a 5-6cp envenom going into CD's so i doesnt fall before you press it inside CD's

[cursive owl]

if u wanna make wa , then just tipe blindside in the trigger ._.

[forest notch]

No I was tryying to check dmg from details

Ill look it up on wowhead

or test on target dummy later

was just curious if someone knew off the top of their head

thanks though

[cursive owl]

ure failing my initiate question ^^ if i am always critting with mutilate, and always generate 4 points , wasting energy and cp on 2 mutilates for getting a 6 cp envenom. is it worth it ? or can i 4cp it if i get 6 straight

[earnest remnant]

what?

[cursive owl]

sry mate

[earnest remnant]

land on 4 = press finisher

[cursive owl]

ye

ok

[robust axle]

I've been trying to convey that

[icy acorn]

keep envenom up and chill

[earnest remnant]

4+ = 4 or more so no mutilateing if you land on 4

[weak sierra]

8676 is regular ambush

[cursive owl]

true

[forest notch]

ty

[cursive owl]

sorry i was blinded by blindside

[icy acorn]

i only really go to 5-6 cp if i need to refresh rupture, when having enough energy to keep envenom up afterwards

or before a dm

[spark scaffold]

how did you sim post nerf?

raidbots still on old patch for me

[plush tusk]

nightly

[spark scaffold]

i'm simming on latest, isn't that more up to date?

[robust axle]

Raidbots is weekly

[spark scaffold]

we're talking about this yes?

[cursive owl]

imagine i did 2 mutilate all time even when hitting 4 cp and i was thinking, where is my energie equal

[plush tusk]

i mean i guess nightly is the post nerf one, since i sim lower now 😄

[full coral]

Btw. what's the way people dot up on M+ dungeons? Like recently i've just sorta been neglecting Ruptures just to be able to get off alot more Garrotes on bigger packs?

[icy acorn]

you must have been out of energy 15 seconds into the fight

[cursive owl]

i was not

but kinda like

after 30 sec in

[royal lantern]

Asthma is a bitch man

[cursive owl]

i was pumping with teas and stuff, but kept 1 for kb birst

[robust axle]

I mean from stealth you just triple garrote > FoK/Rupture 2-3 times > Mutilate for spatter > Envenom into a KB on prio target

[cursive owl]

yes

[full coral]

Yeah, i've just sorta been doing Garrote 4-5 times, and to get everything dotted up, Rupture, Mutiliate for the spatter and then apply Crimson- then re-do the KB opener.

[plush tusk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mpZ8iCCBQemLL1QXpmofqb i can tell you that i was simming 220.000 3 days ago with the same gear. correct me if i'm wrong

[cursive owl]

o.o

i only get 123k

[plush tusk]

what?! xD

[full coral]

You're simming with correct talents?

[cursive owl]

yes

but im ilvl 450 UwU

[full coral]

I mean. there you have it

[cursive owl]

what is stat prio ? AGILITY

god damn i need better gear

[icy acorn]

stat prio is "raidbots showed me a bigger number on that piece of gear"

[cursive owl]

true

my question was also more a joke tbh

but good to know with the cps

[icy acorn]

basicly
look whats written on the wowhead guide and do exactly that

https://tenor.com/view/don't-think-act-omni-man-invincible-just-do-it-less-thinking-more-doing-gif-10137816994983668937

[cursive owl]

yeah i thought i done it right , ... back to the training dummys !

[gusty raptor]

Hello all quick question : in monotarget If you have rupture falling in 6-8s and have all your cd back up is It worth waiting 3 gdc to reaply It to last until the end of the death mark+kB ?

And is that also thr case with the rotation without death mark

[dark token]

I'm betting haste value goes up with nerfs btw

I recommend resim gear

[cursive owl]

uhh .. uptime is king, pandemic is king , i would refresh rupture and re refresh in kb window

[icy acorn]

iirc casting rupture within dance+kb(first finisher) isnt much of a loss

so i would just rupture withing the kb combo

[drifting cedar]

Eyy guys after our burst window we maintain bleeds and stuff and only spam envenom when it gets to 1 sec duration?

[robust axle]

Spam is the wrong word here, but yes

[sweet dawn]

yup

[robust axle]

You just keep the envenom debuff up, and dont let dots fall

[sweet dawn]

Maintain bleeds, build to 4+, envenom when the buff goes into pandemic

[icy acorn]

with bl you can spam envenom

dont want to overcap on energy

[gusty raptor]

@cursive owl @icy acorn
Ok ok then we dont refresh before the kB and dm but we garrot first gdc of the rota rupture first spender into spam envenom (4 cp)

[cursive owl]

i do it like this at least

[drifting cedar]

We cast it once it gets to 1 sec duratiion right?

[cursive owl]

until vanish is up

[robust axle]

Yes

[drifting cedar]

Thanks bros

[cursive owl]

if vanish is up i spam envenom and refresh garrote and rupter in last 3 sec

[gusty raptor]

In vanish i saw some people garrot + rupture tho on the best sims they all garrot + enveom

[cursive owl]

o.o ?

oh

[robust axle]

In Vanish you Garrote > Envenom because you should already have an empowered rupture running from your Shadow Dance window

[cursive owl]

maybe rupture uptime is long enought for 1 time so venom in last 3 for more dps can be better yes yes

[cursive owl]

yes yes

[thorn fjord]

Good luck today boys and girls

[cursive owl]

for what ?

[frigid pilot]

what the homies rerolling to after today

[gusty raptor]

One of the good SIM i compared tho He never rupture during the kB window

So idk

[cursive owl]

eu life , chest is tomorrow 5 am UwU

[frigid pilot]

uwu? this aint the druid discord

[icy acorn]

it shouldnt really happen

[robust axle]

Let me guess, he has an empowered rupture running from the opener?

[cursive owl]

i would gues so also

[gusty raptor]

Hummm has to be tho then He has to first rupture then snd right ?

Idk if the empowered last Enough for snd then Rebuild then rupturr

[bleak plume]

does wafting devotion still sim higher than sophic?

[gusty raptor]

Need to go back to It (just screened) dont have It under m'y eyes rn

[robust axle]

He has been doing Garrote > Mutilate > Rupture (empowered) > Mut > SnD > mut mut Envenom then into CD's as you linked above

[surreal citrus]

waiting on the youtubers to tell me what to reroll to obv

[frigid pilot]

good idea

[gusty raptor]

But isn't It worth to vanish garrot ruptute since rupture will soon end at the end of his combo ?

[robust axle]

Nope the Envenom does more dmg than the rupture being clipped

[cursive owl]

yeah thars what i am worried about

[dark token]

Depends on scenario

[gusty raptor]

So it's only worth to rupture during your full combo if it's going to fade during it, and in that case your first spender in rota is rupture right ?

[dark token]

In pandemic range usually I refresh rupture

[gusty raptor]

Bruh 😂

[dark token]

Or if I'm gonna be leaving boss for mechanics

It's literally almost even either way

Just do ur pref

[cursive owl]

true

[dark token]

If ur caustic spattering u should prob envenom

Or CT even

I am usually vanish garrote rupture

[limber acorn]

Is there a way to show on plater or a WA if your target has an empower rupture or dot or not?

[robust axle]

Yes

[dark token]

Or vanish CT garrote garrote

In aoe

[gusty raptor]

So basicly for raid boss:

• if rupture going to fade during the combo => first spender is rupture
• if we have caustic spattering at the end (when pandemic) => vanish garrot envenom else vanish garrot rupture
• if oppener since we first spender rupture => no need to refresh so all the way to the end envenom and for gcd in pandémic refear to previous point

I think that's all 🤔

[robust axle]

Basically, all you need to take away, is that you don't overwrite an empowered rupture, and that it is a minor DPS gain do refresh rupture doing Shadow Dance granting you don't let your envenom debuff fall

[wind jungle]

Whispyr says the difference between using env or rup in dance or vanish is negligible. Re-up rupture if you want, but it's simple to just focus on ambush, ambush, envenom, ambush, ambush, envenom.

[dark token]

No

U don't spender rupture at all during dance/vanish

[gusty raptor]

Got you

[dark token]

In most scenario

Unless ur doing

1. accelerated opener
2. ur aoe

[forest nacelle]

not even for nightstalker?

[dark token]

No

But it's so low DMG either way

[forest nacelle]

O.o

[gusty raptor]

Even if 7s left on It when starting gcd ?

[slate crown]

Yeah just refresh rupture based on normal rules, if it's in pandemic or fading, refresh it. Otherwise, envenom, don't worry about dance/vanish buffs on rupture (do worry about it for garrote)

[dark token]

You can do it if u want

But if ur spattering whole time

I recommend skip rupture and only evenom

During dance and vanish

[forest nacelle]

ill try that, thats for AoE?

[dark token]

I will also rupture in dance or vanish on 2-3t specifically

Like council

[slate crown]

You need rupture applied during your kingsbane window, but you don't really care about its damage there. You just need it for lethal dose, VW energy, and spatter applications if you are in aoe

[dark token]

But not small adds like larodar

On big aoe with CT talented

Consider CT where u would use rupture

So summarizing:

1. most of the time do what u want
2. if rupture will fall off, use it in dance or vanish
3. if accelerated opener, rupture in dance
4. if spattering small mobs (no CT talent), only envenoms unless #2
5. if 2-3t with IC, use rupture in dance or vanish even if not falling off
6. if CT talented, use it in dance or vanish in place of rupture if not overriding existing CT dot

So most of the time it doesn't matter but I called out scenarios specifically where u want one or the other as a medium gain

[icy acorn]

just press buttons

[gusty raptor]

@icy acorn should start doing It

[wide ferry]

You guys just using tab to keep your ruptures up in aoe situations after the initial rupture ticks off ?

As in switching targets

[plush tusk]

cmon

[plush tusk]

mouseover it

[wild marsh]

hey we wanna use ambush in keys from stealh? I guess we wanna multilate for caustic spatter? and In ST we wanna ambush in stealh? lil bit confused

[plush tusk]

u want to garrote

[willow grotto]

garrot all time

[slate crown]

garret, garret, garret

[fallen forge]

cheap shot

be a rebel

[willow grotto]

check wowhead for Aoe rotation

[wild marsh]

i mean under the stealh effect zb till shadowdance if we build normal rota garrote ofc first mb with my bad english ^^

[thorn fjord]

@dark token Whats the accelerated opener again?

[vast shuttle]

how can i climb more with assasin rogue iam having a rough time ranking

[icy acorn]

skip rupture in opener

[thorn fjord]

Rupture in Dance then?

[icy acorn]

basicly garrote - snd - mut/amb until 5+ cp - DM ...

[slate crown]

garret snd amb env -> CDs -> rupt in dance

[icy acorn]

yea

[slate crown]

that's one version

Just depends how accelerated you want

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha

Assuming Raidbots will be updated for nerfs at some point today

Ive just been subracting -4.4% from sims

Prob janky math tho

After getting more crests today i'll be sitting pretty nice https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dxQJSDfz4ghjgUvf6RBL9N

[plain onyx]

corrupting rage phials for us or tepid? is there a big dps difference between them or just the tankiness ?

[full coral]

Corrupting Rage for damage- Tepid Vers for Toughness overall.

Tepid Vers especially if you barely have any Vers to begin with- then every single point of vers the Tepid Vers supplies is magnifying @plain onyx

[thorn fjord]

Generally Tepid for Prog Rage for parsing... But others here might not agree with me.. Its really based on how much of a hinderance the extra dmg to yourself is to your raid group

[vast shuttle]

how can i climb with rogue assasin i feel like i play badly and cant rank up only been playing for one week tho what can i do?

too rank up

[burnt venture]

Practice rotation on target dummy

[grim jay]

Read guides at #assassination-faq

[burnt venture]

Have someone review logs, go over assassin guides, watch Whispyr YouTube videos

[steel ridge]

play it for years not weeks

[grim jay]

Trolling new people for being new

[full coral]

Just keep practicing, Dummies works wonders, but only gets you so far. and then M+ dungeons helps aswell

[vast shuttle]

i can go up too 110k dps is that goo_

d

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[full coral]

Depends on the scenario! on a boss? Yes! that's good! 5 mob pack. no so good.

[vast shuttle]

did it on target dummy

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/smiley-cat-lights-are-off-lights-are-off-gif-smiley-cat-gif-gif-26087576

[grim jay]

110 in general aint good. If he got low ilvl yes

Comparing low ilvl dps is kinda eh tho

[full coral]

[full coral]

In the end, we need more information about your character- what your talents are, Ilvl, Trinkets etc etc. to average compare dps- a thing you can set out to do is to sim your character- it'll show the picture perfect damage you theoritically can do, and then slim off abit- Like i sim 209k but i know i can steadily keep damage on most fights for 180-200k

[grim jay]

Can actually just keep going and compare stuff at a decent ilvl, like 470ish. You can potentially do dummy sims, compare them and continue improving

I never liked using dummies tho

[slate crown]

Dummies are ok, they're good for practice if you are starting from nothing at all

But they absolutely don't seriously teach you, like not even about learning mechanics but

[full coral]

Certified Gamer Move

[slate crown]

I feel like at least when I'm doing learning rotation while I'm paying attention to mechanics, the lessons of the rotation solidify stronger

Under the target dummy there's no emotional brain hook, there's no stress

that emotional hook is an important memory trigger

[slate crown]

Thanks I hate it

[thorn fjord]

Could be worse 🤣

[bleak plume]

since kingsbane ticks every second, you want to vanish at the end before 2.1s is left on kingsbane ideally?

[forest nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-smith-trailer-park-boys-bubbles-glasses-blink-gif-4011183380204339784

[bleak plume]

since timing it on 3s should be impossible?

[forest notch]

I assume so ya since last tick will be biggest

[dark token]

Use a WA to make vanish glow on <3s of kb

[slate crown]

Correct

[bleak plume]

yeah ive been doing it, just watched some guide where it's said to vanish with 3s remainining and i figured i either misunderstand something or it's actually only possible to buff the last 2 ticks

[slate crown]

Any time between 3 and 2 seconds is fine

[oak tangle]

kb is 2 seconds though

[slate crown]

just don't do it early

i.e. don't do it before 3 seconds

[icy acorn]

just get a kb tracker wa

its the easiest option imo

[slate crown]

Well if you use a tracker aura

[thorn fjord]

I usually send at 3s

[slate crown]

ideally you'd understand why it says what it does

[forest notch]

Is it always worth it to do
Vanish > Garrote = Ambush = Rupture (order obviously depends on CPS) even if I have a rupture/garrote running?

[bleak plume]

really? thought it was 1 sec when i checked on a dummy

[slate crown]

It's every 2 seconds

[bleak plume]

ahhh okay

that answers my question then, thanks

[wide rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

But if you want a tool

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[bleak plume]

yeah i have the timers

[wide rapids]

/macro

[slate crown]

aye

[bleak plume]

was more of a practical use question

[forest notch]

damm outlaw that much stronger?

[bleak plume]

i thought it ticked every 1 second and the vanish at the 3rd sec mark was to gain value for the last 3 ticks

which confused me

[full coral]

Usually prefer doing Ambush - Garrote - Rupture, to get that bit extended CD on empowered Garrote

[oak tangle]

whispyr would be madge about comparing sims

[bleak plume]

ticked every 1 second**

[thorn fjord]

He’d be mad period lol

[unique sorrel]

TFW different damage profile and utility

[forest notch]

If I go into vanish with max CPs should I still just send vanish first and eat those CPs?

[forest notch]

ok ill ignore them then. Also why sims using lariat/BSL for M+?

[forest nacelle]

if only the APM for outlaw was lower.

[twilit hollow]

Pretty sure you ignore rupture in the vanish window and envenom btw

[forest notch]

Should I ignore that too or are those better for M+?

[slate crown]

? It's not eating them. If you have vanish and you're at max CP, just envenom garrote amb

[wide rapids]

i love it 😄

[unique sorrel]

Sims are looking for highest possible number assuming best possible gear iirc

At least for the sheet