assassination

[thorny aurora]

its a 34min dungeon

you use 8 deathmarks

[rotund oak]

?

[grim jay]

!Restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[wide whale]

in perfect conditions on a dummy, how much should kingsbane do in total, with all cooldowns

[rotund oak]

ik that,i didnt say that IC is alot fo dmg lul

its about the rotational part rather than dmg

and the ilvl factor is definitive here

[grim jay]

You brought it up as a reason to him not dealing much dmg wdym

[rotund oak]

i said properly utilize,i didnt mean its only dmg

shouldnt make assumptions like that

[fathom citrus]

Mh, yeah I need to use my CDs more often

[grim jay]

So what is the proper utilization on a damage question that would make a valid point

[valid shadow]

Utilize shadow dance as a restealth
So you can apply your garrotes that way if you do not get a stealth

[rotund oak]

that he goes out of a rotation motive in such a way that makes him do even more mistakes by not following the pattern

[grim jay]

So thats not an assumption

I see

Also IC is a convenience and nothing that breaks your gameplay

If you dont have it

On restealth

[thorny aurora]

@fathom citrus you only use 8 deathmarks in a 34min dungeon when the number should be closer to 17~
in your first pull you use kingsbane at around 40s with no deathmark when it should have been used a lot earlier
assa's, like most other classes, damage comes from their cds : which are shadowdance/kingsbane and deathmark. you should use deathmark+shadowdance/kingsbane every two minutes and shadowdance/kingsbane alone every other minute and only hold them when you know what you're doing/why you're holding them (prio target incoming, hard dps check incoming, targets dying too fast, etc).
overall from how you play that first pull (which should be the easiest to execute as you have all your cds and are coming out of stealth) i can see a lot of mistakes. you really should check the aoe / m+ opener on the wowhead guide and practice it (spread garrotes, spread ruptures, get slice and dice / caustic spatter / envenom up, then use your cds
it will help you a lot

[plain onyx]

hey guys, with which talent can i macro branch trinket ?

[grim jay]

Deathmark

[thorny aurora]

you can macro it to deathmark

[plain onyx]

alright thanks ❤️

[rotund oak]

U can call it whatever u want,doesnt change the fact that its part of the specc.Cant rly grasp what u imply at this point.The more u stealth the better,it adds up

[warped willow]

i will say in the topic of restealth, is that in lower keys not restealthing means you're spending many globals on setting up bleeds that would be easy to set up otherwise and doing some wacky shit, and by the time you could go into your burst everything is dead and you get more shades and its an awful feeling cause at that pace you often dont even have sd back up for every pack, not every other pack sometimes. at that pace its not like your damage matters, you're going to time it, but i think we can all agree it kinda sucks and makes getting good habits hard in that range of keys

[grim jay]

Its literally there. You go around telling people their low dmg is because of restealth because you assume something weird that shouldnt even be the case and we get more "omg no restealth spec useless" people around here

[thorny aurora]

not being able to restealth feels bad gameplay-wise but no so much damage-wise in higher keys. dk about lower keys tho but i guess assa isn't great in those anyway

[grim jay]

Low keys are a weird topic anyways. Or keys that get outgeared in general. There is much that doesnt work optimally

[rotund oak]

In all i just started looking at the logs assuming that by the average lvl he is probably not rly familiar with the rotation as well and trying to figure out by asking him by myself but you went and made eveyrhting up from there.Good point bro 👍 Not even close

[fathom citrus]

Ok, thank you. Back to the practice dummies

[grim jay]

Yeah no, I go by what you write and nothing else

[rotund oak]

you are just too fast on ur judgement,u are not wrong but u need to relax

[grim jay]

Its also good to get a feeling for how long it will take you to get to bosses or bigger packs at certain times, so you can hold stuff if beneficial

That will suit your overall aswell

Aside from squeezing in as many CDs as possible

[grim jay]

Im pretty relaxed, I just told you to stop with the restealth stuff because newer people will jump at that and make it their reasoning for everything

[rotund oak]

dude thats why i said u made an assumption and move on from that.Because ''newer ppl can do whatever'' it doesnt mean we cant explain why and how

u cant squeeze that much information on a new rogue anyway

[runic hinge]

Keys are so hard to get adjusted to. I still have trouble using dm enough

[rotund oak]

he wont learn

[fathom citrus]

What is your guys opinion on hekili, for learning the spec? Or will it just force bad habits?

[runic hinge]

Doesn’t really work for assa

[valid shadow]

I wonder why his crimson tempest dmg is so low

[fathom citrus]

Looking at guide I would guess because I used it often before envenom and such

[warped willow]

ive never used hekili myself, but ive seen many guildies use it and it tends to teach really bad habits and more often than not just be outdated in their info. i think the main thing is that the more in depth you plan on learning something, the worse it is because it will inevitably create bad habits or somewhat of a dependency on it. i would not recommend it for assassination cause of how many little things the spec has that can change what you're doing

[quiet oar]

You wont learn the spec

If a helper says you what to do

You learn through mistakes

[grim jay]

Whispyr likes to say you gain 20% dps by just deleting hekili

[quiet oar]

My approach to stuff liek this is doing a key or Boss without or a little knowledge and try it. And than look at Uptimes and DMG Distrubution and compare it to others. And build my Knowledge gameplay based on that

[fathom citrus]

I don't have it but some guildies said I should get it to do better damage 😅

[quiet oar]

But dunno if thats good or bad

Most of the times it works well

[valid shadow]

I have a secret I play assa with a controller
Still 90 percentile logs tho

[quiet oar]

No way bro said he plays rogue with Controller

[plain onyx]

What exactly does Timestrike mean in the Nick daggers ?

[rotund oak]

its an addon that eliminates every reactive process in ur brain besides the one u copy what the addon says and you dont rly learn the specc,how it functions and how to plan ahead

[quiet oar]

Its just an DMG proc

That procs of your Attacks

[pseudo hamlet]

I just googled what the hell the hekili is and I totally agree. Such a thing won't be good at all for the Assa rogue considering that the spec could be really situational dependant.

[plain onyx]

alright cool

[mortal spoke]

hekili is a great tool for learning general prio but provides no situational context

gonna have a bad time in m+ and using CDs right before transitions/phases

[valid shadow]

I tried playing keyboard mouse and I look like a classic player doing it

[warped willow]

imo, if you intend to play the spec as a side alt that you wont touch much its probably fine, but any more than that i'd say pass

[rotund oak]

ild change 1 word in that great to bad 🤝

[mortal spoke]

idk how, but thats a take

[rotund oak]

and assassination is like a fixed set of windows

imagine using hekili or whatever is called

for outlaw

[mortal spoke]

and it shows exactly that

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

Its like getting a Math work and you look at others doing it and write that too. But you have no clue why all this sums up to the right answer

[mortal spoke]

it absolutely blows for fast specs

[solar bramble]

oof. 4.4%? thats not a small value

[warped willow]

and its often like getting the results of last year's test and still using those despite the questions being different

[quiet oar]

Thats not that huge tbh

If you look at how far ahhead sin was

[mortal spoke]

you can import your own apls

[quiet oar]

with PI and Aug

[rigid sphinx]

The 4.4% is kinda diserved in ST no?

[warped willow]

from my experience with casual hekili users, no one realistically does that. anyone with enough knowledge to do that often just learns the spec

[neat plank]

what would be the best ass spec for low keys, probably the hybrid thing with AP and SD?

[quiet oar]

Idk its a problem with Augs and Pi

If you sorted by non external it was mixed

[mortal spoke]

for sure. from my experience, it gets updated every time an apl changes or shortly after. the tool really is as good as the user though. if you use it to get a feel for openers/prio then ditch it, you're gonna be fine. if you rely on it with no critical thinking, you're never going to learn the class

[dusty lance]

what kind of rotation can I do in baby keys on trash thats gunna die in 10 seconds

[quiet oar]

But you have to balance classes that are broken with externals

[dusty lance]

I learned the whole opener and such but it feels like shit dies while im still doing it lol

[quiet oar]

I would never recommend Rotation helpers, just hit dummies for 10-15 minutes

and go in the next key/raid and test it

[warped willow]

that's fair. i'm still not quite comfortable recommending it just like that to someone. in my mind if you give someone a tool with a slippery slope to get comfortable with, they're gonna slip 90% of the time

[dusty lance]

I mean I know the basics but im looking at how I can shorten the rotation to just get some kind of damage out on mobs that are dead fast

[mortal spoke]

fair enough, i agree with that

[quiet oar]

If shit dies fast, you cant do anything about it

[rigid sphinx]

Maybe juste spread Garrot, caustic, and rupture and spam evenom ?

[dusty lance]

okay. im still trying to figure out how fan of knives and crimson tempest fit into the rotation in AOE. i just did by first dungeon. I have the ST down

[static glacier]

fok is go-to aoe generator (3+ targets) unless you do not have caustic spatter active.

in that case you will mutilate / ambush once then return to FoK spam

for CT you use it on 4+ targets, generally lower priority than applying garotte with improved garr / rupture until you've got 4+ out.

[warped willow]

while i was still gearing up a few days ago in super low keys when everything was turbo exploding i would do something like "garrote until all bleeds, rupture, fan, rupture, fan, crimson tempest" and that would stack a pretty big sudden demise on everything. if i noticed stuff dying before the second rupture i would just tempest earlier

[static glacier]

on very high mob count pulls I'd reccomend sending CT earlier, stuff like the dragons + slime pull in galakrond's fall.

[dusty lance]

okay so its maintain spatter, fan for points apply CT bleed and if all that remains true im FOK into Envenom for Spatter?

[static glacier]

before all that you want to spread garotte / rupture

[solar bramble]

that's what i'm looking at. if you take away evoker and pi. we're generally just weaker than sub

[static glacier]

with indiscriminate carnage

but yeah

[warped willow]

bleeds with carnage > splatter, but then keep splatter when you're done with that and are gonna just start envenoming for filler

[dusty lance]

for the 2 additional targets is it based off where im standing

on what it selects

[solar bramble]

so even in keys you don't refresh garrotes/ruptures that much outside IC?

[static glacier]

yes

[static glacier]

depends on target count / energy economy

and ttk for the pack

[gusty raptor]

Hello everyone I have a question regarding my logs, here you have my logs compare to one of the best rogue on the first boss. Does anyone know why my poison tick less than his during death mark? (Is It an issue of hast or mastery ? )

[solar bramble]

honestly . . .i'm not shocked at the "it depends" answer.

[royal lantern]

thats why the balance changes rn are a bit....weird?

like, yeha even without externals assa is strong, and still will be dtrong, but assa/outlaw/sub where more or less equal without externals, and they just nerfed 1 of them lol

like, sure more stuff comming, but they should have seen that

[solar bramble]

wtb 100% clear answer for any given mob threshold lol

[dusty lance]

Can I macro Branch into Deathmark?

[static glacier]

thing is we're going off general principles and rules

for rotational prio

[normal mist]

Yes

[dusty lance]

thanks boys

[solar bramble]

well ya sin was going to get hit. and was never that far ahead. it's basically the same sceanrio destro locks were in.

[static glacier]

in reality every single mob count / mob hp and pull would have a slightly different optimal sequence of gcds, you'll get a feel for it

[solar bramble]

even similar damage patterns and windows

[dusty lance]

Hey as an UH DK main you guys stole my PI and my niche. LOL

besides ur 2 min just flat out better than 3

[solar bramble]

problem is i'm not good at getting a feel for it :(. not when also dealing with interrupts, dodging, watching spitefuls, etc.

[quiet oar]

Yeah but if something is that good with externals, you have to cahnge that

[static glacier]

yeah ofc, have you watched the whispyr aoe video?

[quiet oar]

I mean you could just nerf the externals

[static glacier]

he breaks it down in a pretty managable way

[warped willow]

real quick, cause i havent seen this mentioned around (i might just be blind, happened before) but ive been thinking: if i have 6 targets and im trying to spread carnage bleeds and i garrote something twice, but on the same target: will i have 5 or 6 bleeds? is that considered problematic? i dont like target switching much if i dont need to and would require a large overhaul of my plater profile

[quiet oar]

But why changing externals

[solar bramble]

it's along the line of 3-6 ruptures/garrotes if memory serves me

comes down to if you aren't energy starved. and enough going out for that

[dusty lance]

They have Pi got hurt bad and Aug has been nerfed every patch since release lol

[solar bramble]

you'd need to delete pi

[quiet oar]

Ye and its still problematic

isnt it

[solar bramble]

15% is still 15%

[dusty lance]

I thin kAug is okay now tbh

PI and Windfury ehhhh

[static glacier]

https://youtu.be/st6UJOP5Ok4 check this for aoe. if you can execute this as he says you'll body most people in keys, excluding good dh / demo locks

[quiet oar]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[dusty lance]

just remember. you could always be a windwalker monk

[royal lantern]

even better: delete externals

[quiet oar]

Ye

Like Aug did enhance the PI Problem even more

[plucky canopy]

And bm hunter

[royal lantern]

ww is gonna be upper middle with the buffs btw

idk why peple act as if ww does 90k less then everyone else lol

actually clueless people

[dusty lance]

and ill be brought to raid on my DK with the lego

[plucky canopy]

Just be a good player, so the class u play does not matter at all

[static glacier]

bm doesn't feel as unbeatable as dh / lock

[karmic vale]

Hello, any idea why ashes is siming so low on raidbot top gear but so high on bloodmallet ? (current is branch 463 + ashes 473, Idol is 470 ans sand is 467)

[plucky canopy]

Not as but nearly as

[floral reef]

Double on use

[quiet oar]

You either play ashes or Branch not both

Because they are 2 Mins and you use them with DM

and you dont need on use trinkets in between

[plucky canopy]

And ashes does sim lower as branch by quite a lot, but ashes is way more easy to use/branch can be almost zero dps if you don't collect any orb

[sturdy mesa]

Lookin good bb

[floral reef]

couldnt help myself

[sturdy mesa]

🙈

[karmic vale]

ok so perfect gear would be branch and brand for raiding ST and branch / pip for overall right ?

[grim jay]

Just collect them, problem solved

[grim jay]

Brand for longer encounters

[earnest remnant]

or just have gear where they basically sim the same

[grim jay]

How does said gear look? Couldnt be mine

[plucky canopy]

More baseline mastery I guess 😅

Stealthi u playing ashes I guess? Saw u had a mythic version right?

[grim jay]

I honestly am pretty stacked on mastery in my m+ gear and it still simed worst last time

[quiet oar]

I hav elike 5K Vers

and 4K mastery

[slow needle]

@balmy condor I just won the lottery man. Ordered 2 cans of Monster from a local place along with breakfast.

A 4 pack turned up.

[earnest remnant]

yeh

[grim jay]

Armory says 4.3k crit 2k haste 4.9k mastery and 3.3k vers

Some crit might be a buff I logged out with

[quiet oar]

3,3K Crit 3,5K Haste 3,5K Mastery and 4,6K Vers

[scarlet orbit]

i have some cursed 6k crit 2.5k 2.5k 2.5k on the other stats

[quiet oar]

But Raidbots still tells me to use the vers things

[sturdy mesa]

Bro highrolled irl

[real stirrup]

Your whole day is going to be monsterful

[slow needle]

This is why I keep the yellow name dude.

Just as I get tempted to swap the role/icons around this happens.

[ocean ginkgo]

!ui

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[ocean ginkgo]

!plater

[slow needle]

Plater groups are in the wa message.

[gusty raptor]

I know I already asked but didn't got an answer : Hello everyone I have a question regarding my logs, here you have my logs compare to one of the best rogue on the first boss. Does anyone know why my poison tick less than his during death mark? (Is It an issue of hast or mastery ?) on top my logs on botom his

[grim jay]

Alright then it wasnt from a buff. my gear is close to being as good as I can get it. Pretty much only have sockets on rings left, ilvl on rings and crafted ilvl

And wrist socket

Vault rng and mythic track raid stuff aside.

[strange python]

do we have the numbers for roughly what % dps loss we are getting in M+?

[grim jay]

As with every new change

Its in the pins

[pseudo hamlet]

<2%

[strange python]

wait

that's like nothing

[grim jay]

Its not too impactful in m+ ye

[pseudo hamlet]

Assa wasn't that high in M+, would be stupid to nerf it down there also.

[north tapir]

hey, any usable macro for blindsided mutilate/ambush ? mine seems to freeze sometimes

[grim jay]

You dont need one

[strange python]

M+ is what I care most about tbh

[pseudo hamlet]

Mutilate changes itself to ambush

[quiet oar]

Or i have buffs too

I should have mastery runes and Crit flask

[north tapir]

I'd rather have 1 keybind instead of 2, the bloat is unreal in DF

[sage basin]

Linking a picture like this, no one can really give you a useful answer lol, we can't even see all of the other person's* timeline and there's too many variables to speculate

[north tapir]

ho

I see, thx

[valid shadow]

For m+ it's like 2kdps loss so basically nobody will notice rly

I would say for most rogues it's only 1k or less even

[grim jay]

Depends on how good your kbs are

[valid shadow]

Suck at kbs
Not effected by nerfs at all

Ez

[subtle tundra]

Based

[gusty raptor]

Got you I was just wondering if it was an eazy answer such as : mastery or hast makes it tick more. I will upload the logs later when I come back home

[strange python]

I'm really bad tho

I didn't know that you're supposed to shiv mid kingsbane, and also thistle for mastery until like 2 days ago

as a former sub, I've been using thistle as "zomg i'm outta energy xd"

[grim jay]

Can still parse high without the tea thing

But theres no reason to not do it

[strange python]

yeah

I also didnt know kb was a snapshot

thought it was only garrote....

so my parses went from 25% avg to 57% avg on heroic

[novel storm]

With 4pc on st do you still play around sanguine or ignore it completely while focusing only on keeping envenom on target?

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats how assa is using it aswell

the difference is that there is 1specific timing during opener, and because KB windows are 1min anyway, that 1 use will then always be during kingsbane by default

[cunning basin]

Ignore it, pooling is only to chain envenoms

[royal lantern]

the other 2charges? "lol need energy" aswell

[strange python]

icic

[novel storm]

Ty

[fathom citrus]

Is it bad to macro shadow dance and kingsbane together? Is the snapshot ting working or should there a slight delay between them?

[shell quail]

@balmy condor oh my. I really wasn't sure, but good to know.

[grim jay]

Dang the pingception

[grim jay]

You can macro them, I personally dont

[dawn rover]

how many rise runs did you guys needed for nick of time?

[toxic whale]

How many things affect kb? Like should you press tea before kb, and also wait to collect all spheres before pressing kb?

[plain onyx]

fall

[stiff badger]

NoT from fall

[dawn rover]

ye sry i mean fall 😄

[grim jay]

36 or smth for both

And the trinket

[royal lantern]

54

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-cat-mad-going-insane-going-crazy-gif-24274574

[plain onyx]

12th run and still no luck 😅

[grim jay]

Sounds like nothing special tbf

Considering there are 2 checks

One if you get loot at all

And the second on which item

[royal lantern]

you mean

1: nothing

2: legs

[grim jay]

I actually sold all the legs in agony

And despair

And forgot to keep one

[stiff badger]

And boots 😂😂

[grim jay]

So I had to restore

[royal lantern]

i keeped them for tmog catalyst in the future

[stiff badger]

Same idea 😂😂

[subtle tundra]

6th pair of handies

😔

[willow kite]

When vanishing rezan's pursuit; do you have to do it post-cast, or can you do it during cast?

And if you have to do it post cast, do you have to run away to ensure you don't get instagobbled

[subtle tundra]

Nvm

During the chase

[willow kite]

So postcast? And can you just stay melee and insta vanish it, or is that risky?

[scarlet orbit]

would not recommend it

he ate me last time i did that just run out a bit vanish and shadowstep back

[steel stump]

Better if others have melt when it's on you and you vanish when it's on other

[subtle tundra]

You have to run

[eager perch]

anyone got a good plater profile for assassination?

[plain onyx]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[hard carbon]

HEllo guys,
I play keys, close to 3k rio, iv been Horde all my life, never played Alliance. Got an Orc assa rogue (with cool active racial), thinking about faction change onto Night elf due to shadowmeld - in addition to shadow dance and vanish allow you leaving combat and stealth immedeately which is another subterfuge (improved garrote) option with 2min CD.
Is it worth leaving Horde for this? (im on Drakthul) low mid population realm.
Does shadowmeld use Global CD?
Ty for reply!

[dark token]

I would change to dwarf personally, more useful in dungeons imo

If you are pushing the 0.1% title

[mighty elm]

[royal lantern]

🦊

[plucky dock]

dwarf my man, stoneform is OP

[magic wolf]

Do you still use mutilate in big aoe or just FoN?

[feral rivet]

mutilate to keep caustic up

[plucky canopy]

It is not worth the money regarding dps if you are not going for the absolut highest Keys.
In addition shadowmeld does not always work if not good coordinated, so the gain is minimal (especially in pugs imo)

Population does not matter as much anymore outside of niche scenarios with time walking q

[hard carbon]

Thanks for insight

[plucky canopy]

Personal opinion: just go for whatever looks best for u, that's a way better longterm solution, otherwise u change so often (did it myself way to often) and end up doubling your money invest for something so minor

[spiral pasture]

nah, go dwarf

always useful almost always top dmg

it is top dmg currently too, nf is cringe

[royal lantern]

race reroll is cringe

[feral rivet]

dwarf has the huge disadvantage of being dwarf tho

[spiral pasture]

is it?

when race change quickly becomes bigger than any item upgrade you can get

+the amount of times ive been saved by stoneform is literally countless by now

[royal lantern]

then it should be adjusted

[spiral pasture]

i agree racial bonuses should just not exist

its super cringe

technically human is bis rn, but dwarf is bis for rogue overall and unlikely to be bad ever

[rotund oak]

havent gone crazy,16 runs currently,havent seen a dagger or a trinket yet

[hard carbon]

😄

[lime crypt]

I got first on 34th run

Keep going kinh

King

[obsidian ridge]

I am ashamed to admit it but it took me 5 runs for both daggers

[rotund oak]

im not rly that crazy for wpn tbh,crafted a MH,got dreamcarver HC as well.Im kinda fine for now.Mostly interested in trinkets

ive got no trinkets 😅

it will come,surely from GV

[wide ferry]

uh nick of time drops from fall, no?

[rotund oak]

yeah

[quiet oar]

Guys, we need to witchhunt him. Get your Pitchforks and Torches ready

[dark token]

Got a dream carver mythic I won't even upgrade till every other piece of gear is gone cause 483 timestrike dumps on it

[quiet oar]

Really?

[wide ferry]

okay cuz he said rise i wanna make sure hes not farming the wrong shit thatd be horrible

[dark token]

Yes

[quiet oar]

Because for whisp its a downgrade

two 483

to a 489

[rotund oak]

its about 1.2% upgrade for me

0.8% for MH iirc

[wet briar]

I did over 80 algethar runs for puzzle in s1 this shit does not faze me

[feral mason]

it took me 4

[obsidian ridge]

Fucking lucker

[lime crypt]

I expect my whole gear for assa to be the most painful grind ever

No 2nd daggers I'm on 47th run
Branch took me like 19
Still need to do DHT for necklace and rings

[sturdy mesa]

Imagine not getting branch after 3 runs and 2 daggers after 4

[lime crypt]

Some people don't struggle

Just you wait next season

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-has-bulla-gif-27687593

[limber lion]

Sometimes lucky

[smoky harbor]

22 runs for 3 daggers (lootspec mistake) and 1 run for branch

[real stirrup]

f u!

[smoky harbor]

[subtle tundra]

I hate some of you

[jaunty phoenix]

45 for just one

[arctic socket]

I offered a rogue 1.5m for a Nicholas last night for them to just declined it

[lucid rain]

are you NA?

I'll run with you >_>

[arctic socket]

Yeah I’m na, I got a branch decently quickly, but I can’t say the same for daggers

Lately all I have ran is fall keystones

Praying

[lucid rain]

I'll trade you a hero nick for 1.5m no problem

I'm still on a champion one

[arctic socket]

Champion would be fine with me

I’m very hopeful I pull it from my vault

[stiff badger]

How can i disable poison debuff on target please ? I only want to track Garrote and Rupture. I am using Plater

[limber lion]

There's a Buff Blacklist option in the Plater Settings

One of the big tabs

There you just type the name of the things that you want to filter away

Or just get someone else's profile plater that already has all of that done and more, and either use that or yoink the settings from them

[tropic tundra]

yeah i did this too

[grim jay]

I dont suggest disabling the deadly poison dot tho

[tropic tundra]

add all our poisons on blacklist

[stiff badger]

i cant find those blacklist option can help with SS plx?

[feral mason]

might be ignorant but why not? does it not just instantly apply most of the time and have no impact on rotation?

or is there some minmax im not aware of

[dark token]

I do

Your autoattacks or fok auto apply it

You don't play around the dot

Disable stuff that doesn't affect rotation or ur decisions on ur screen

[grim jay]

You still want deadly poison on multiple targets if you dont fok

And it wont clutter anything

[dark token]

That means remove crippling, atrophic, numbing, amp poison, deadly poison and timestrike from plater debuffs

[stiff badger]

Found it

[dark token]

I suggest internal bleeding as well

Any excess visual info is clutter

[weak bane]

Can type in the name of the ability/debuff etc and it should pull the IDs otherwise the wowhead article for the abilities has the ID in the link

Ah you found it nvm

[dark token]

The only situation where you care about deadly is 2t and in this case tabbing to the target to upkeep ur bleeds is enough

[grim jay]

And 3

[dark token]

You fok on 3 targets

This applies deadly

Go next

[grim jay]

Yeah no

You fok on 4

[dark token]

Unless that changed with rework it was always 3+

You can spend blindside procs and upkeep caustic with mut tho

Yeah

It's fok at 2+ targets or 3 with dtb

Just checked apl

[lucid rain]

wow, fok at 2?

wild

[grim jay]

Unless it changed again, it was 4 like a week ago

[dark token]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/dragonflight/profiles/Tier31/T31_Rogue_Assassination.simc#L100

[grim jay]

That aside, I still think its worth seeing and iirc whispyrs plater has it enabled aswell

You wont have many Icons up there either way

[limber lion]

It did change with rework

From 4 to 3

[arctic socket]

Moar dots the better

[dark token]

CT, garrote, rupture on a 8 pack is already a lot of visual info

[limber lion]

It was 4 in Shadowlands

[dark token]

Anyway you can track deadly if you want I don't think it really makes a diff either way

Personal pref

But I do recommend disabling the other poisons

[limber lion]

Caveat being that spreading poisons with Mutilate is allowed at lower target counts

[arctic socket]

On a 7 target pack do we garrote garrote, rupture garrote multi rupture Fok CT?

[limber lion]

But at 3+ you always FoK

[grim jay]

Depends I guess. I can see everything just fine with ct gar rup deadly and KB spatter on main target. Everything else is unnecessary tho, agreed

[limber lion]

Anyways

I personally do not disable Deadly/Amp, but I do disable all the non-lethal ones

[dark token]

Either I'm misremembering or I didn't notice the change to 4

[limber lion]

It's fine, numbers come and go

[dark token]

Didn't really do many sin keys in SL

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

[lime crypt]

so i tried the same with your core group just to make things easier, I went into your customGrow code and flipped + into - after vertspacing, which made it grow up instead of down which i wanted ye, but the problem is, that icons are now a bit meshing together, is there a way to fix that?

[arctic socket]

People played sin in keys back in shadowlands?

[dark token]

In season 1 I did

[arctic socket]

Not sub

[dark token]

A little bit

Then went WW

[grim jay]

I did some s1

[dark token]

Was WW for most of expac

[limber lion]

always assa

[dark token]

Rogue kinda sucked except sod

[arctic socket]

Wasn’t sub just king back in sl thought by a large margin

[dark token]

Not in s1

Or s3-4 outlaw was good as well

Only s2

[arctic socket]

Who remembers the good ole EoN

[wild beacon]

Don't

[limber lion]

We have that

it's called Nick of Time

[arctic socket]

At least you only had to do 3 instances of it

[wild beacon]

Fuck I hated that boss

[arctic socket]

Nicholas is 100+ runs

[arctic socket]

You didn’t like like 13 mins prog pulls

Kek

[limber lion]

best p3

[arctic socket]

I hated p2 on mythic

The ptsd from watching our dh rush off the edge or pressing shadow step

[leaden sundial]

HI. are the videos below still valid ?

or should I just go to ⬇️ instantly

[limber lion]

It's all still relevant

Obviously should start with the mosy latest videos depending on what topic you're looking for

[royal lantern]

god that random shity clickbaith thumbnail made me grin

[quiet oar]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[leaden sundial]

I am just trying to figure out what is going on with my dps. For some reason I am just getting gray item level logs

so I decided to relearn everything from scraftch

I still need to fix a bit in my gear but ut should not be that big difference that I am getting gray logs

[lime crypt]

@slate crown also i reckon theres no need for me to track sanguine blades, as we dont play around it at all, ye?

[real pike]

Hey guys the toxic boots 'embellishment' doesn't scale with ilvl right? Only stats?

[plain onyx]

while activating branch, do i need to focus on collecting orbs as well ??

[real pike]

Yeh or at least the last one. Take it when your buff is close to expiring

[plain onyx]

how the hell am i going to see in the middle of a boss fight with 20 player along with the mechanics lol

[real pike]

The real fun is when everyone else has a branch too

[burnt venture]

You want to pick them up in a 1/1/7 interval. Only like 1.5-2% dps loss if you let them all come to naturally

[real pike]

Overall or branch dps?

[burnt venture]

I would assume that is overall dps

My name isn’t purple though or blue so confirm that with someone who is 100% sure

[real pike]

Got you

[real pike]

It's a nooby question I know but if anyone knows I would be most grateful

[royal lantern]

yes

only the boots own ilvl

maybe vers, idk

[real pike]

Ok so recrafting to a higher ilvl gets more damage from the effect

Thank you

[lime crypt]

@slate crown nevermind, i found out what the reason was, the issue was vertical spacing, since i changed how it from positive to negative, i had to change vertspacing number which was 3 to -3 and now it works like a charm

Now ill just have to properly dig up, if theres a way to set combopoints alpha like 60% whenever its not filled with an actual combo point, but i think its just a bitty thing hahahah

[fickle fractal]

This may be a silly question, so I apologise if it’s obvious. But our super bursty AoE comes from Caustic Spatter’ing our big kingsbane, is that right? Obviously there’s lot so bleeds etc going on too but yeah

[fallen forge]

that plus the 20% agi from 5 ruptures ye

[fickle fractal]

Yeah awesome thank you! Haha. I have found myself not using kingsbane and holding on to it for boss fights but I am now just realising how important it is in pack fights too

[woven frost]

It’s such a short CD that I’ll typically only save it if it’s the pack right before a boss or somehow my DM got desynced

[ashen sequoia]

also quick question - are we in fact multidotting? With which I mean, tab-targeting to put Garrote / Rupture on more targets. Switched over from Outlaw so I'm smoothbraining this shit. Getting better at Arterial though

Because outside of stealth-windows we're not really spreading garrote nor rupture, right?

[woven frost]

Depends on how many targets you have. If it’s 3 or fewer, your IC will spread when you open from stealth

If you have 3-6, you need to pop it twice

7-9 pop 3x

If you’re not opening from stealth or refreshing, you need to spread manually target by target

[ashen sequoia]

Gotcha.

That last one was the point I was looking for.

Spiteful pulls got me fucked up

[woven frost]

Don’t forget to throw a few ruptures on the spiteful too! Use those suckers for energy regen

[ashen sequoia]

Oh I do that

Esp. with Arterial it's a case of padding some of my damage

[lime crypt]

we never use instant poison, ye?

[tawny geyser]

Damn its sad applying for a guild with low parses. I really dont understand what I need to do to make those parses higher on warcraft logs. Like on Nymue Heroic I was almost top dps and I am only 17 parse on it.

[lime crypt]

play outlaw, less competition to make good parse

[sonic schooner]

You just cant do big parse anymore cuz aug hooks got some fixes

[ashen sequoia]

yeah but then you're not playing the meta spec.

[tawny geyser]

But what triggers a good parse?

[icy acorn]

i believe assa wasnt affected by it too much?

[tawny geyser]

Just rotation or what?

[lime crypt]

when?

[ashen sequoia]

how'd you get 17 parse on Nymue though.

[sonic schooner]

idk if i can fully trust them but this week they said something on their github

[tawny geyser]

Man, I have no idea. Wait let me look if I can copy the link

[grim jay]

Damage

[gusty mirage]

Bad kill time, no PI, no wft, not having all raid buffs, less than ideal gear

[grim jay]

Iirc they get the parses straight

[gusty mirage]

Plenty of factors tbh

[tawny geyser]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/blazzerex

[grim jay]

Even past ones

[sonic schooner]

https://gist.github.com/ljosberinn/a2f08a53cfe8632a18350eea44e9da3e

[tawny geyser]

I am being coached by Whispyr today. Paid for his knowledge.

[limber lion]

I tick all of those boxes

[limber lion]

Excepting to see only rank 1's next week, mister.

[tawny geyser]

Hope so! xD

But can anyone have a quick glance and let me know whats the biggest issue

[gusty mirage]

None of those boxes said cutie though

[limber lion]

Or massive cock, you're right

[gusty mirage]

[tawny geyser]

I used WoW Analyzer and it says my uptimes are good, especially kingsbane

[wide ferry]

I applied for about 7 guilds last night on wow guilds lmao "what do you expect from our guild" Um fucking day 1 full 489

[gusty mirage]

Big pp Cev back at it again

[limber lion]

I have the curio and 1 catalyst charge ready and could get my 4p

but I don't have a single hero-track item to catalyst

[icy acorn]

go into m+ and farm it

[tawny geyser]

Bro look at a reply from one of the Guild leaders...

[limber lion]

I'm a casual andy nowadays

[royal lantern]

average ranged dps trial

[gusty mirage]

Yea not having access to gear hinders you a lot

[limber lion]

Yeah, just limited on time all the time. Rather do a few dungeons with friends than sit in LFG for hours

It's okay

[worthy bear]

can someone screenshot a good average damage distribution after a key? 🙂

[limber lion]

Slow and steady wins the race

ya'll just wait

[gusty mirage]

I’ll still be on tindral dw

[wide ferry]

@limber lion im on area 52 can we queue up for m+ together?

[gusty mirage]

Got plenty of time

[wide ferry]

lets farm 20+

[royal lantern]

leme gues

month 5 AotC guild

[wide ferry]

get an aug evoker and call it a day

[limber lion]

I'm an EU Andy

[tawny geyser]

Nah they are average. 4/9 mythic

[worthy bear]

is this a normal damage distribution for m+ (tott in this case)? anything that should be higher/lower?

[limber lion]

that boss looks pretty miserable lol

[elfin chasm]

what are soft caps on stats

[limber lion]

Looks pretty good, I feel like your Spatter/KB could be higher and CT a bit lower

[gusty mirage]

Oh it’s absolutely dogshit, it’s a diarrhea of mechanics

Plus dragon riding mid platform

[limber lion]

But that also depends on the dungeon a lot, if there's no big boys to KB/Spatter on, it's fine

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

love it.

(hate it)

[grim jay]

He jumped between reasons somehow. Aint too bad tho

[limber lion]

I like the RP elements on some bosses, but not for the last 2 that take the longest to prog anyways

[worthy bear]

yeah because of spiteful i use KB often without SD/vanish, because tanks often chainpull and i have to use SD/vanish to spread dots. Also I should probaby KB more often...

[limber lion]

Like running on chains on Sylvanas

Sure, we can run on chains on an earlier boss if it takes 5 pulls to kill

but doing that 200 times

nah

[limber lion]

Yeah, sounds good. You'll get better

[tawny geyser]

Yeah not too bad, but the thing is I might not be parsing much, but my knowledge of raid and raid leading is exceptional and I can say that with confidence, but unfortunately I cannot prove that. They just look at numbers.

[gusty mirage]

You don’t enjoy having to redo 6 minutes of a boss 200 times cause someone fell off a chain?

[limber lion]

Yeah uhmm I'm good

[royal lantern]

sylvanas was so painfull just becauseof p2 alone

cut p2 and would have been a good fight

p2 draged it on for SOOOO LONG

[limber lion]

Well, P1 gets pretty stale after a while

[grim jay]

Sadly his advise is kinda true. You gotta join something lower and work your way up again. Its like that for most people

[ember gyro]

within KB we still want 4 combo points or more for envenom, right? we don't send at 3 or more

[limber lion]

Idk why they had to have the long reap/reave or whatever the fuck phase in P1 before P2

literally just rp-walking for a minute

not hitting boss

is that fun

[royal lantern]

watching a boomkin get hit by one and dying was always fun tnh

[limber lion]

Never send any finisher at less than 4 CP, ever.

[ember gyro]

I don't

[limber lion]

yeah for sure, or a dh felrushing away from a pool just to get hit by reave

[ashen sequoia]

he has better gear than I do, is aug + pi really a 32k diff?

hm

[ember gyro]

I'm just also learning outlaw, and I know you send the shooty mc shoot move with 4 combo points during stealth

[royal lantern]

gues

[ashen sequoia]

although I suppose, shorter fights = better parses

[royal lantern]

nah

better killtimers

[ashen sequoia]

yikes though, the priests used the PI's on the ele shammy and ret pally.

[grim jay]

Yeah shorter can be worse aswell

[grim jay]

Why arent they assigned by the rl

[plucky canopy]

For unholy dk for example 3.5min way better than 2.5min

[ashen sequoia]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen sequoia]

just watching the log from Blazzer

[grim jay]

Oh

[ashen sequoia]

did have aug buff

just not PI

[grim jay]

Aug is kinda unimportant now

PI tho but there are some top100 rogues without PI aswell

[drifting cedar]

How 😆

[grim jay]

Gaming

Dunno, I always get PI

[plucky canopy]

Aug* is kinda important until the hooks are fixed

At least on bosses with spatter

[ashen sequoia]

It's Nymue

so

Don't think spatter'll count for much.

[plucky canopy]

Still, but not that much

[grim jay]

But they are

[plucky canopy]

Sanguine blades is also inflated with aug

Oh didn't know that

[grim jay]

Only sanguine blades isnt

And thats kinda whatever

[smoky horizon]

Can someone with the Kazzak neck fully upgraded link a parse of its damage on a ST boss? Like Nymue or Volcoros

Its doing like 0,69%

[ashen sequoia]

It's more that I was comparing my log to Blazzer's, there's a 32k dps diff but he's higher ilvl

according to the analyzer, they did better than I did

[gusty mirage]

PI and Wft alone are 21k dps

[ashen sequoia]

That's fair.

nevermind

I misunderstood wft. :^)

though I didn't have WFT either.

[gusty mirage]

It’s kind of bonkers how much damage you can lose with a less than ideal comp

[ashen sequoia]

so the only diff is PI

[gusty mirage]

You’re also being robbed of like 8-9k dps

[ashen sequoia]

the entire raid is because we have mostly melee.

[dark token]

My priest is PIng the BM hunter on tindral

[gusty mirage]

Strap in bud, time for sub rogue

[loud hearth]

1 of my Augs is doing Boomkin and BM hunter on pulls for some reason...

[dark token]

We already have a sub rogue so I'm currently playing assa

[gusty mirage]

Boomkin?

[warped pilot]

[gusty mirage]

What’s the point of buffing a spec that dies to every passive damage mechanic?

[clever niche]

I was bored at work, decided to ask bard/chatgpt for an assassination guide. Results were mixed

[dark crag]

All augs are fotm rerollers and have no idea what they are doing

"I don't know what cd to track"

[grim jay]

Ours also is well known for eating every single frontal

That goes beyond melee range

[static glacier]

enh shaman is a class where like 80% of the playerbase can't play it

if not more

[placid kraken]

It used to be like that for real. But I think it shifted a bit since WF came back and its easier to get a raid spot

[rustic violet]

What’s everyone’s average kingsbane damage?

[static glacier]

homie

[ember gyro]

don't you Rupture with 3 points on the opener?

[limber lion]

No

[static glacier]

our shaman parsed 95 on first nymue kill while getting 0 orbs from his second branch usage

[limber lion]

Gar - Ambush - Rup

[placid kraken]

I didn't say it shifted alot lol

[ember gyro]

I thought it was Gar-Slice n Dice-ambush-rupture

[static glacier]

can you imagine parsing that high as sin while griefing branch?

[limber lion]

Yeah that's incorrect

[placid kraken]

Gar-Mut-Rup

[limber lion]

It's Gar - Ambush - Rup - Muti - Slice

[ember gyro]

well then

[placid kraken]

Or Gar-Gar-Rup if you are like me, a man of culture

[placid kraken]

to be fair, since the rework, misplays are pretty punishing for rogue now

[young flicker]

It feels like if I tea or barely mistime a shiv its gg on parsing. Or if you get a mechanic in kingsbane window its over.

[placid kraken]

exactly. The specs are pretty unforgiving now

[static glacier]

thing is I didn't make a mistake

[placid kraken]

Sin used to let you get a mech and not worry. Jailer is a good example.

[static glacier]

and only got a 92

bro griefs an entire trink usage and clowns 2 of them

and gets 95

actually bullshit

[ember gyro]

can the Slice and Dice be sent with 3 points?

[finite echo]

on mythic?

[placid kraken]

Also remember, parsing is all about rolling high.

[static glacier]

yes

[finite echo]

[placid kraken]

Yes

[static glacier]

he himself said he believes there's like 30 or so good enh shamans who public log

[grim jay]

Yes because you will keep it up with envenom anyways

[ember gyro]

cool, finally right about something

that's what I figured

[limber lion]

Yes, even 1

[placid kraken]

even 2 CP is fine. It gives like 15 seconds and tahts plenty to refresh with Cut to the Chase

[limber lion]

Even 1 is fine.

[placid kraken]

True, but Rup right into a SnD feels icky

[ember gyro]

so, to be incredibly childish, you can send a finisher on less than 4

as long as it's SnD

[placid kraken]

You should onyl cast 1 SnD per fight lol

[limber lion]

Slice does not really count

it's its own thing

[ember gyro]

I know, I'm being a c hild

[limber lion]

that you press once in an entire m+ dungeon or raid encounter

but yeh

[slate crown]

Glad it worked out. And yeah, my setup wasn’t written expecting the flip but what you’ve done should work. Def a way to adjust the alpha on the combo points. Should be pretty easy

[static glacier]

is there even a notable difference between this opener and gar > snd > mut to 4+ > rup?

simwise

[limber lion]

What is notable to you?

It's like 0.2% or 0.3%

is that notable?

[static glacier]

anything more than margin of error

[limber lion]

Then yes

That's why it's changed because it's more than margin of error

otherwise we wouldn't care to change it

[static glacier]

yeah ofc

[limber lion]

We don't change our recommendations if things fall in margin

[static glacier]

I need to fix my opener, been using the opener I said

[placid kraken]

Gar-Mut-Rup 🤮
Gar-Gar-Rup :gigachad:

[static glacier]

issue is we gar right after KB anyway

so gar gar is rendered less useful

[limber lion]

Literally pointless

[placid kraken]

I know lol

[grim jay]

But its gar ambush rup

[placid kraken]

But M+ made me start Gar-Gar everything

[balmy condor]

[static glacier]

is there any theory behind rup before snd being better? since it's not energy economy related

[placid kraken]

Nightstalker snap?

[static glacier]

that could be it

[placid kraken]

idk timing tho.

[slate crown]

I get a few extra NS ticks

[limber lion]

You snapshot it with Nightstalker and you don't have to reapply it during the Dance window afterwards

[worthy bear]

in what circumstances do you send finishers (except snd) at 4cp? i never see streamers/youtubers do that even though guides say its possible. everybody sends at 5 or 6?

[limber lion]

Previously you would have to reapply during Dance if you did it the other way around, but not with this

[static glacier]

primary one in my mind is envenom

for 4pc chains / procs.

[placid kraken]

When chaining Envenoms doing at 4 is more efficient

[worthy bear]

but only when you dont have enough to get 5/6? or always when doing the chain?

[limber lion]

Whoever forcefully gets to 5-6CP instead of 4 is playing wrong.

If you're at 4, you use a finisher

4 is not the goal

[placid kraken]

sending a Mut at 4CP waste cp/energy, therefore its less efficient

[grim jay]

Streamers and youtubers dont always play optimally.

That said, never force it like Cev said

[limber lion]

it's just the minimum

Anything between 4-6 is fine

[worthy bear]

okay, thanks everyone. that applies to both ST and AoE?

[limber lion]

Yes

[static glacier]

im curious about ct scaling with cp

[placid kraken]

Also, remeber we want to be efficient to stay above 50% energy when we can

[static glacier]

is it just extra duration?

[limber lion]

All DoT finishers are just extra duration

[lime crypt]

it is, but then its still seethrough even if i the combopoints are filled, ye

[placid kraken]

Thoughts on crafting a 486 dagger, with Champ track Nick of time?

[grim jay]

Bad

Dont craft a dagger

[limber lion]

Just get your embellishments first

[placid kraken]

So just suck it up and keep grinding

got it

Already got the boots

So this is second craft. Does patch scale with ilvl? or is it just the gear stats that benefit?

[grim jay]

Gear stats

Still wanna craft it high tho

[placid kraken]

Yeah I may as well since its not getting replaced

[static glacier]

nah, if ur killing igira your 489 dagger is free

[grim jay]

You get 2 free heroic craft items anyways if you did everything

[limber lion]

Maxed out boots #1 prio

Any tier patch for the embellishement #2 prio

[placid kraken]

I don't currently have a mythic guild :biblethump:

[static glacier]

idk how far pugs are atm

[finite echo]

just craft whatever is highest on droptimizer, no?

[placid kraken]

Pugs are getting AOTC I saw

idk if my guild group will get there this week lol

I may get back into mythic raiding once my kid is born. left my rpevious guild bc of it since I didn't know if I would have the time

[slate crown]

If you used conditions to adjust it, no. Assuming you did it properly. The alpha % can be adjusted by condition values, and condition properties automatically undo themselves (if not using custom condition code)

[slim pebble]

Brother it only goes downhill from here. - signed dad of 3 kids

[timber meadow]

yall mostly still using shock for M+?

[lime crypt]

so do i put alpha on display by 60% to make it somewhat seethrough, but make condition, where it adds alpha to 100%?

[weak cypress]

!Wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fathom citrus]

I'm a bit confused about the m+ builds. I used the arterial shock build until now, because wow head says it's the default build for m+. On the other hand in the aoe rotation video the hybrid build is recommended. Which one should I use?

[slate crown]

Either. Doesn’t really matter the order

I like the display tab to reflect the most common state an aura will be in, but that isn’t a requirement

Whichever way is easier for you to structure in conditions

[surreal citrus]

hybrid and arterial perform almost identically it's just preference

[timber meadow]

@balmy condor which M+ build have you been using the most?

[surreal citrus]

[frosty bolt]

i like AP build for longer boss fights cause of blindside the hybrid build is harder for me to manage energy in a long boss fight

[dark token]

Is this talent build what is being used for 5t PI sims?

Or is it using our single target build

[plush tusk]

nightly sims are correctly updated, right?

[spice spire]

Should be

[dusk sun]

will the nerf affect DTB builds more?

[plain onyx]

How much haste do i need in order to feel the energy generation... generatin' !!!! 😔

[grim jay]

Try checking the pins

[grim jay]

You wont

[crisp compass]

You just have to believe

[tranquil locust]

if i have 4pc and i'm in an aoe pack, should i be trying to maintain buffs on all targets outside of carnage or just do that when i have carnage and chaining envenom?

[timber meadow]

kinda curious why you all think there are about double the outlaw rogues as assa rogues in 25+ keys

are they actually better or this just early season and that will change?

[balmy condor]

1, 3, and 5 target each have their own build

[grim jay]

Outlaw mostly always was more popular and they arent necessarily weaker

Both have advantages and disadvantages

[timber meadow]

yeah ive been going back and forth and its really hard for me to land on which one, for me, is actually better

def seems like a bit of a dungeon-choice tbh

like waycrest i perform a lot better on outlaw cuase so many small health mobs

[grim jay]

Nothing wrong with playing both

[timber meadow]

but then somewhere like brh i performa a lot better on assa cuase while there's lotta small health mobs, usually theres a huge health guy to put kb into

so i can get a ton of value from splatter and ct

[still dock]

in M+ on higher keys, do i use vanish to reaply garrot/rupture or do i use it normal in my DM/KB Rotation?

[hardy pawn]

Level of key is big too. Nothing worse than a mob blowing up before first shiv expires on your Kb

[timber meadow]

yeah im only looking at 25+ keys

[frosty bolt]

depends on if u need the restealth from vanish or SD from tank chain pulls or spiteful

[native heron]

Just to make sur eim not going crazy here. Tanks are supposed to pull around our stealth during this week right? because i just ran a 15 and the tank probably gave time to actually stealth maybe 2 times in everblooom

[timber meadow]

doesn't really matter

[hardy pawn]

Noooo lol

[timber meadow]

just use vanish and dance

[balmy condor]

Tanks should never pull around the rogue

[manic quartz]

can someone explain timestrike to me like im a toddler

[dusk sun]

i believe there is not an ideal haste value and energy efficiency is what you'll have to understand better

[timber meadow]

most of the time the dmg you lose is irrelevant and it'd be slower to stop and restealth

[hardy pawn]

Maybe before the bosses but this train don’t stop

[balmy condor]

Free damage

jingles keys

[manic quartz]

does it like proc? whats the %?

[timber meadow]

only time i ask for a restealth is if were about to do a huge pull and the last mob just needs like 2% to die but even then its kinda wtvr

lke if i have a vanish charge, i wont even ask for it in that situation

[balmy condor]

It procs a fuck ton, think it’s a % chance

[native heron]

Okay i was just a moron during that run then. LOL

[balmy condor]

And it just replicates a small portion of your damage 3 seconds later

It’s like a bastard multistrike

[frosty bolt]

i thought the same till i came on here and they told me im a noob. we all start somewhere lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoZDPFk_Zog&t=426s

was a good watch

[balmy condor]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[frosty bolt]

oh thats neat ty

[still dock]

when playing with crimson tempest in Keys, do i aply it before DM or does it matter in any ways?

[native heron]

gonna watch this now! ty!

[frosty bolt]

the TLDW is above as well!

[arctic socket]

I need to watch this, I struggle with shades

[timber meadow]

i dont think it matters too much but i tend to dm before ct just cause i wanna get cd's rolling and kb ticking as fast as possible since were still doing small-ish keys where shit melts usually when i get ct out stuff starts to explode

[arctic socket]

@ whispyr has some bomb ass videos tho that are Extremely helpful

[balmy condor]

It’s not gonna tell you how to not struggle with shades it’s gonna tell you that you’re an idiot for worrying about it in the first place

[arctic socket]

Wouldn’t be the first time

I was called a idiot or acted like one

[dusk sun]

i find success applying it before cooldowns but i also think about how long adds would live (given ive dotted them + spatter)

[spring hill]

Guys, is it game over for KB build(s) after that annoying 15% nerf? 🤔

[balmy condor]

My pp grow when I get degraded

[frosty bolt]

!nerf didnt work. embarrassing

[thorn fjord]

Hi! I'm idiot. Nice to meet you.

[timber meadow]

lol iono if theyr'e idiots... i feel like its one of those things that intutively seems like it should make sense but when you dig in just isn't true

[thorn fjord]

You smell like a carrot

[arctic socket]

👉👈 degrade me daddy whispyr

[thorn fjord]

He said HE likes to be degraded

[arctic socket]

HE can share the love

[balmy condor]

Super duper over, unplayable dogshit spec, no damage, heal spec now, it’s so over, 15% off kingsbane it’s doomed

[thorn fjord]

heal spec now LOL

[arctic socket]

I mean

[balmy condor]

I’m uninstalling

[arctic socket]

If you stacks a lot of leech

Anything is possible right

[spice spire]

Me fr

[thorn fjord]

Well you can play a healing rogue in season of whatever the fuck blizzard is doing no?

[gusty mirage]

Coward

[spice spire]

?

The fuck you say?

[arctic socket]

Technically it wouldn’t be hard to make a healing rogue a thing, could do like a concoction healer

[thorn fjord]

I got your back quake lets break his legs

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-bryan-cranston-coward-disappointed-gif-4024901

[arctic socket]

Would be pretty cool throwing flasks at people to heal them

“Drink this you idiot”

[thorn fjord]

Thats what i was envisioning in my head

[gusty mirage]

That used to be a pvp talent

[thorn fjord]

Throwing little syringes at other players for heals

[spice spire]

1v1 me irl

[balmy condor]

I got three legs you get to break one of them

[thorn fjord]

Sounds like you're threatening me with a good time tbh

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw could pass out crimson vials in pvp

[arctic socket]

Not throwing flasks at people, wasn’t it outlaw that had a talent that made your vial party wide?

[rotund oak]

[gusty mirage]

You never took it cause it was dogshit

[native heron]

tysm, man!

[rotund oak]

whispyr the horse

[balmy condor]

Neigh

[gusty mirage]

But ye it was changed to vial the entire party after @arctic socket

[arctic socket]

Whispyr how do you stealth around with that Thang slinging around?

[gusty mirage]

I’ll fuck you up bud

[spice spire]

Alright big dog

[balmy condor]

Invisible ink like in the cartoons

[gusty mirage]

Meet me in O*io, the middle ground between us

[rotund oak]

HOLD ON!! popcorn!!

[spice spire]

We both lose if we’re going there

[arctic socket]

Idc what y’all say, my pfp could toss y’all

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord just no dog

[thorn fjord]

THe bars should have been bigger

[arctic socket]

that would be pretty cool for tmog

[spice spire]

Man’s too Miami-pilled

[gusty mirage]

Coward

[thorn fjord]

I wasnt even trying to free the nipple

[arctic socket]

If you photo shop a mans nipple is it still uh as sexual?

[thorn fjord]

We killed the sneaky snake and council last night

Was a productive sunday

[arctic socket]

Council blows

[thorn fjord]

Council is not as bad as alot of you guys made it out to be

[spice spire]

Mf only gonna be satiated if I play WoW again

[gusty mirage]

I was bricked up by the time I read “you”

[thorn fjord]

Naaah council is a fun fight

[balmy condor]

Pirate Hat, floating daggers, 3 toed troll feet, invisible everything else

[thorn fjord]

We went with the two duck strat

[arctic socket]

You get told IF a lot don’t you?

[gusty mirage]

I do

[arctic socket]

Make it a top hat or the flower hat

[gusty mirage]

Mostly by @balmy condor

Call me leandros

[thorn fjord]

Hi Leandros

[gusty mirage]

Cause we full mast

Arrr

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-plain-tim-curry-jezebel-jack-laugh-laughing-gif-4916404

At first glance it looks like its a chicken on his shoulder

[gusty mirage]

Bro what’s in the water down there

You good?

[thorn fjord]

Floride

[thorn fjord]

I just want the year to be over

[gusty mirage]

Is that some Florida version of fluoride?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-office-exactly-bingo-gif-13025505

[spice spire]

Amen brother

[thorn fjord]

We're almost there bro

i gotta farm flightstones but dont want to play today -_-

ive got like 5.4% upgrades waiting on flight stones lol

[gusty mirage]

Play the game you coward

You get them from world quests bro lmao

What the fuck

[native heron]

So really stupid question.
if restealth/vanish/sd aren't available to use. are we garroting every mob in a m+ pull or just one or two?

For example 5 pack pull do i garrote rupture all or just one?

[royal lantern]

mate

wow players are really fucking bad at playing the game

we had a druid complaining about tswift on re-clear and how the dragonriding part is bullshit when you dont do it perfect

he didnt unlock a single glyph

[thorn fjord]

Lmao

[royal lantern]

in his words : " i dont play for RP shit"

[thorn fjord]

Had two of those in our group

[latent onyx]

it sucks but ye no point letting them wait, I just assk my guildies to let me stealth before a boss but that normally isnt an issue

cant wait for spiteful to be over

[thorn fjord]

Spiteful is sooo free

You’re wilding

[royal lantern]

spitefull means you can FoK longer

cus still targets for cp generation

[thorn fjord]

This prob the most free week we’re gonna get tbh

[native heron]

how many of the mobs of a 5 pack pull to we garrote/rupture outside of sd/vanish/stealth

[lime crypt]

yeah turns out that it works, if i set it up in display to make it see through, but in condition, i made it so the alpha is 100%

question tho, why does it have so many conditions? whats the idea behind them?

[past forum]

Is the aim to always pair sd and kb in keys as well? There are times where using dance to ic a pack would be really juicy but there’s no good kb target this pack and a really good one on the next pack or so

[gusty mirage]

I’m just really bad at the game

[arctic hare]

I’ve heard you can garrote and maintain a max of three, but rupture is something like five

[gusty mirage]

You want to maximize scent in aoe

[arctic hare]

Yeah , he was talking about when we have no stealth

[lime crypt]

dont play scent

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/734521012124647496.webp?size=48&name=5Head&quality=lossless

like even without scent i seem to be dealing reasonable amount of damage

[crystal dune]

this week is pretty hell with stealth and the spreading of garrot and rupture because of the spiteful ghosts. Communicate to your tank early that you need to stealth to maxamise dps between packs. And you can still stealth as long as the spiteful ain't on you.

[lime crypt]

i think thats 23 BRH

[plain onyx]

is the Arterial Shock m+'s rotation the same thing as the raid + dance one?

[lime crypt]

never doen brh on assa so it was wonky with cds and bad kinsbanes, but still it was fine

[hardy pawn]

I stealth when I can this week but you should use SD and Vanish in between packs. Just keep in mind where the bosses are and how long before you reach them

[crystal dune]

Yeah same @hardy pawn , it's messy for rogue this week

[surreal citrus]

so many people in this game pride themselves on playing as little of the game as possible

[thorn fjord]

I play way too much of this game as it is

[native heron]

Oh okay. so during those large packs with no stealth opting we fok to main rupture on targets along with garrote and splatter if my understanding is right.

[royal lantern]

yeha idk, its weird af

[native heron]

sorry for these dumb questions just really trying to understand

[royal lantern]

xDDDD im renown 2 on all

xDDDD

....cool?

[past forum]

Thoughts on this? There are some dungeons where the answer is obvious cause most pulls have a great prio target but others I’m uncertain on.

[plain onyx]

Is the Hybrid build tend more to ST damage more than Arterial ?

[arctic hare]

You want at least 5 ruptures out for scent of blood, and you can only maintain three garrotes at a time due to its cd

[native heron]

okay tysm! I really appreciate you breaking it down for me!

means alot! ❤️

[subtle tundra]

And too many pride themselves on playing the game too much

12hrs a day m+ers

[surreal citrus]

there's merit to unpairing sd and kb in m+ for extra aoe and iron wire, I think, but it obviously depends on the dungeon and how your tank is pulling so ymmv

[stable storm]

guys how many seconds left do you wait until you refresh garrote and rupture?

when outside kingsbane

[past forum]

So let’s say you do dance for aoe value olny, would you just hold kb til it naturally lines up with dance or send it on good targets with or without dance?

[hardy pawn]

I know the empowered Garrotes but does Rupture Snapshot as well?

[static crystal]

Anytime inside the pandemic window

[stable storm]

how much time was that?

was it 6s?

[frosty bolt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[stable storm]

let me try something

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[stable storm]

based

[frosty bolt]

whispyrs afenar edit glows when garrote and rupture are in pandemic

[stable storm]

im using speed's weakauras

[static crystal]

You can also add an audio trigger if that helps you too

[stable storm]

wait fk i think it glows when on pandemic too

i gotta check

[frosty bolt]

lol

[static crystal]

Any decent WA should

It's a fundamental part of the spec

[stable storm]

it does yea

okey nvm 🫡

[velvet marten]

ok scrub question how close do we try to get to our sim's in AoE or ST?
Mine says i roughly will do 351k dps but I can only get up to like 220k's @467ilvl this is around 2min or so of a pack of 5. So i was wondering how close are we really intended to get that kinda tells us "hey you not perfect and still use practice but you are heading the right way.

[hollow stone]

if you're using all the same criteria (no lust, no monk/dh buff, no bshout, same number of enemies, same duration, etc) then the numbers should be pretty accurate

if all the criteria is the same, and you're doing 50% of the sim dam, you're doing something wrong

[velvet marten]

fair enough, cheers