assassination

[arctic tusk]

oh yea i meant hero

track

[balmy condor]

but 483 nick is easily bis offhand

[storm forum]

@balmy condor what dagger buffs should I use? Dying or increasing? Sorry for bad englando.

[balmy condor]

how will you read dm's asking why your icyveins guide is wrong

[gusty mirage]

I added shadowdust

[balmy condor]

porque no los dos

[gusty mirage]

they can fuck right off

now I just get DMs asking when I'm going to change the drop location from "Dawn of the Infinite" to the specific dungeon

[outer cairn]

you meaning like wafting or sophic?

[gusty mirage]

seems like they already know where nick drops and don't need me

[south wing]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1180129404031082546/dagger.webp

[balmy condor]

damn

[storm forum]

[gusty mirage]

take the buff that looks like me @storm forum

[balmy condor]

zero faith in the chat

[gusty mirage]

underwater breathing is dope

this me irl

yes I know ryler

you beat me to it earlier

[storm forum]

xd

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

[gusty mirage]

my prot paladin is rising ryler

[storm forum]

i thought elemental was so nice until it fucking killed me trying to get to throne

[balmy condor]

that's always a humbling point in time during the patch, when the faith between people is so broken down and in shambles that no one can tell when people are trolling anymore

they just auto assume that people are idiots first

it's only up from here

[gusty mirage]

rookie mistake tbh

that assumption should be constant

[balmy condor]

I fall for it too

[gusty mirage]

it's either you think everyone's trolling or everyone's clueless

but you have to pick one

[drifting cloud]

youre not supposed to login that char anymore

[balmy condor]

sometimes even the most regular of people in the channel troll me with some insanely dumb question for the funny and I just auto-pilot type out a response taking them seriously

[storm forum]

im a believer in everyone is fucking with me

[gusty mirage]

I'm trying to protect my will to live

[balmy condor]

because my mental is so shattered

[gusty mirage]

it's not working

because people don't interrupt in keys

(:

"PULL BIG"

proceeds to do 85k dps

nice

[storm forum]

might i recommend swimming to throne with elemental buff?

[gusty mirage]

good suggestion mr. dh

[gusty mirage]

irl?

I'd love to

[runic hinge]

pull big what

[balmy condor]

but they're meta

[balmy condor]

once every 2 minutes in fact

[south wing]

had a fury warr tell me “do more damage pls” when pulling trash in a 11 throne

[gusty mirage]

no that's their 2 min cd idiot lmao

[south wing]

my brother in Christ you killed it all

[balmy condor]

beat you to it oxi

cry

seethe

mald

[gusty mirage]

at the end of the day

you still have to answer questions all day

while I get to drink my sparkling water

and giggle

[balmy condor]

yeah but you're a monkey smashing a stick against a rock

so

[gusty mirage]

jealousy is ugly on you xoxo

[storm forum]

im a big fan of the 0 damage DHs who backflip, press dance and eyebeam on nothing, then dash into a frontal and die

[gusty mirage]

wait where's minalba

@bleak sky at what point in my gym journey am I obligated to post a cringe pfp of a gym selfie

[balmy condor]

what would I be jealous of exactly? The student loan debt or having to lower my screen brightness on the 140th pull of tindral even though I know it's not dying before nerfs

[gusty mirage]

need I remind you of the screenshots you sent me earlier today?

[balmy condor]

fair enough

[gusty mirage]

the difference between us

is if you unalive yourself, you'll still get those DMs

if I unalive myself, poof no more student debt

[storm forum]

[gusty mirage]

(this is your personal hell)

[storm forum]

oh thats not the huh i expecte

[balmy condor]

you're jealous because I have the fish

[gusty mirage]

(you died 5 years ago)

[balmy condor]

and you don't

[gusty mirage]

I'm actually jealous you're still on smolderon

[storm forum]

is this the point when we start DMing whispyr copy pastas from hell?

[gusty mirage]

what a banger of a boss

[upper oracle]

Hey is there someone that could help me with something regarding my Assa rogue?

[balmy condor]

sometimes I like changing the order of my burger toppings just so it tastes a bit different

is that normal

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-sandler-cherish-it-billy-madison-gif-11616631

[storm forum]

just ask here

[north kiln]

nymue =

[tranquil flint]

so i finally got 4 pc and nick offhand but i'm used to playing HO, whats the trick to playing KIR?

[balmy condor]

no clue

[tranquil flint]

is there a wa or something to tell you to reroll?

or kir

[balmy condor]

maybe try #outlaw

[tranquil flint]

woops

thanks 😄

[balmy condor]

np

[north kiln]

i also do it, i thought i was weird

[balmy condor]

well, doing things I do makes you weird by default

[upper oracle]

Ok, I am fairly well geared, 474, but for some reason I am incredibly energy starved like 30 seconds -1 min after my burst, is that normal or am I goofed somehow?

[balmy condor]

so idk if you're out of the woods on that one

that's normal

[north kiln]

🥲

[balmy condor]

spec is slow

[storm forum]

normal

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[drifting cloud]

whispyr are you following your sim on smolderon or have you give any thought about using on pull, cd, amp, amp

[upper oracle]

Ok sweet, thanks

also thanks for the write up on pooling, havent seen anything on that yet

[balmy condor]

idk what this means, the sim was set up in order to optimize the cooldown usages

I'm following the sims

cause it's better

[storm forum]

wait is there a specific smolderon sim?

[balmy condor]

I spent about 10 hours making one for RWF rogues

[storm forum]

and where can I find it?

[balmy condor]

it was very jank

[drifting cloud]

just hard to quantify the difference since the dance is also a facter, even if not a big one

[balmy condor]

what

[drifting cloud]

the smolderon mech dance

not shadow dance

[balmy condor]

oh

yeh idk just do the dance

[storm forum]

RWF rogues asked you how to optimize DM before asking you if they should press KB in dance?

[balmy condor]

but the fact that holding for amps is like 10% better than sending

I'll take my chances

[balmy condor]

well, there's more than those two specific rogues, those two don't talk to any of us cause they think we're idiots

[urban grail]

do you macro shadowdance and kingsbane together to save the gcd or no

[drifting cloud]

10% if you lose a cast to send in amp?

[balmy condor]

ye

[keen spruce]

would you guys say that Nymue or Larry are easier

on mythic

[urban grail]

larry

[keen spruce]

I thought wer were gonna go to nymue after council

but i guess we're going larry

first

[drifting cloud]

if you play it ok, its probably larry

[north kiln]

nymue

[drifting cloud]

but its easier to kill nymue by accident

[storm forum]

idk, but I would rather do Nymue cause I liked that fight on Heroic more than larry

i'll riot if they make me go to Larry

[balmy condor]

yes? idk, the strat is to hold things for the amp when possible, so you would hold dm for the first one, kingsbane on pull, and then always hold for the intermission every time. Because they're 90 seconds apart you can shiv once raw without anything

[keen spruce]

I have also swapped out my spriest PI for a disc

[drifting cloud]

larry just hard enrage wipes you, nymue you have 12min kills with tanks only

[balmy condor]

and then gg dps go up

the only way you don't hold for all the intermissions is if you had a weirdly fast kill time

[keen spruce]

hmm okay

[balmy condor]

in which case okay maybe you don't do that

but you'd also probably be on farm

and who cares

[storm forum]

Are we just 6 healing Nymue?

[keen spruce]

i think it's a 5 or 6 er

[drifting cloud]

yeah was just more wondering on the 10% difference what did you actually code it

im sure it was correct

but the main difference is just dm pull, dm cd compared to dm 1st amp, the rest lines up right?

[balmy condor]

that's from the convo I had with jpc about it

I checked a bunch of different configurations for it

as well as moving the PI around

and it just never was worth

[storm forum]

cloak will be a damage CD for me :>

[balmy condor]

the math kinda makes sense for it as well, because 100% damage during cds basically means you'd be okay wasting a usage if it means putting it into the damage increase

especially if that damage increase lines up with lust or pi or whatever

so KB every 1:40 is fine

it's super fucking janky

but ends up just being fine because you get 2 kb's for the price of 1

and then you slam a shiv in between

and you're vibing

[drifting cloud]

oh right I probably forgot the kb factor in the 2nd amp

[balmy condor]

smolderon timings are the stuff of nightmares

[drifting cloud]

since if you went dm on pull you couldnt do that

[balmy condor]

ye

[north kiln]

then he went to sub spec 🥲

[balmy condor]

well sub is just strictly better

cause it actually lines up

[north kiln]

wasnt it becasue of timing tho

ye

[balmy condor]

but you get some really funny shit if you optimize assa timings for it

[soft shale]

yea they were going to try some janky autumn/evoker balls thing to get cdr on DM

[balmy condor]

like this

[soft shale]

but it was so krangled

they gave up

[drifting cloud]

think they just killed the boss before they had to minmax dmg

[north kiln]

?? is that on smold or

[balmy condor]

yeah that's the custom smold sim

[north kiln]

wtf

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor @drifting cloud thoughts?

[drifting cloud]

since they killed it end of their first day in mythic

[balmy condor]

capitalism was a mistake

[soft shale]

they gave me 8 free chicken parts in KFC today

[gusty mirage]

chicken parts

is the wildest way I've ever seen that referenced as

[soft shale]

i just did a literal translation

[frigid pilot]

Grom getting flown out for the rwf is peak capitalism

[soft shale]

idk how they call it in USA tenders?

[torn atlas]

Makes it sound like they just thrown the scraps in a bucket and handed it to you.

Which probably isn't far from the truth

[balmy condor]

love me some KFC chicken parts, maybe with a side of some gluten cakes bit of potato concentrate

undisclosed cheese-product as a side dish

[keen pecan]

im trying a break from this github talent tree manager code, im having hard time

[balmy condor]

no one's forcing you to share my migrane

quit while you can

[outer cairn]

you're the smartest rogue i know

[balmy condor]

I'm not the smartest rogue I know

that's for sure

but thank you

[keen pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/off-work-sleepy-tired-jonah-hill-gif-14585739

[keen pecan]

tbh you're the reason i managed to understand assassination during M sark prog

ty @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

happy to help

[keen pecan]

even tho i got grey parse 🥲

[balmy condor]

boss died

fuck the parse

[keen pecan]

🥲

swapping between 3 specs during m sark was wild

LMAO

...

[balmy condor]

the alternative would've been not killing

[keen pecan]

i hate my life

[balmy condor]

that's the cope

[spice spire]

I’ll take a grey kill

[keen pecan]

[spice spire]

Over a no kill

Fr

[keen pecan]

agreed

[upper spear]

heroic branch acquired

[keen pecan]

after that m sark kill, i grinded as outlaw in m+ so i can play sin in mythic 🥲

big improvement

[spice spire]

Nice volc parse

[keen pecan]

once again ty @balmy condor

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor apologies if you've been asked this alot, but is there any potential rotation changes coming? your pin seems to indicate it could be a thing

[keen pecan]

ty

[balmy condor]

why are these parses better than mine yo what

[keen pecan]

you're capping

[balmy condor]

I've checked a couple of basic ones and haven't seen anything so far

[tacit charm]

is this good for a clean DHT 18?

[oak tangle]

nice™

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

I died on council

[keen pecan]

?? where are you in volocross?

[balmy condor]

they killed volc on wednesdays

my guild raids tues/thurs/mon

[keen pecan]

and no reclears?

oh

rip

[balmy condor]

but they add wednesdays, and I can't make wednesdays

so

[slim hamlet]

nice excuses bud (I did too)

[keen pecan]

cuz life happens :Sadge:

[balmy condor]

they kill shit without me the first 2-3 weeks

happens

[keen pecan]

understandable

[balmy condor]

also have a larodar kill but not nymue

cause we did like 2 hours of prog on tuesday for nymue

and they killed it on wednesday

[slim hamlet]

oof

We killing nymue monday first

[keen pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-damn-wow-whoa-bye-gif-6111892

[balmy condor]

the raid feels really easy until smolderon tbh

[slim hamlet]

Average pull count is lower on larodar but I swear nymue is piss easy compared

[balmy condor]

nah

larodar is free boss

[slim hamlet]

I guess

[keen pecan]

first 4 m bosses are pretty much same level as previous first 3 bosses in s1 & s2

[slim hamlet]

Nymue is too tho

Set up groups right, soak shit, hit boss

[balmy condor]

nymue is definitely more troublesome

[keen pecan]

nymue is melee hell.

[balmy condor]

if you have 2-3 people that aren't on top of soaking, or you have people die and you can't get adds, it's joever

[keen pecan]

(still progging on nymue )

[balmy condor]

but larodar actually just falls over

[slim hamlet]

Yea I went acro no deeper strat for first hour of prog

[oak tangle]

nymue heroic was fun with 8 melee and like 3 ranged

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

on mythic nymue

[balmy condor]

this week was last wednesday

[slim hamlet]

I simply resulted to spam pinging melee seeds

[balmy condor]

we're poggin

[slim hamlet]

Has worked well

[gusty mirage]

nice OTing bozo

[keen pecan]

might as well use immunes for 2nd red flower before 1st set of adds

🥲

[balmy condor]

bro I joined doms originally because it was 2 day 4 hour and I didn't want to 3 day

now we 3 day with added 4th

fucking kill me

[slim hamlet]

at least it feels good to use KB on adds on mythic

[gusty mirage]

it do be that way sometimes

I joined my old guild cause it was 2x4

then it became 3x4

without anyone's consent

[soft shale]

yea we got larodar to like 20% first day

even with people trolling with fires

well not even a full day like 1h or so prog

[balmy condor]

larodar was like actually an hour and a half of prog time

[soft shale]

after clearing

[balmy condor]

I think we needed more pulls on igira than larodar

actual joke boss

[soft shale]

seems early bosses are tuned for like lower than hc gear

[keen pecan]

at least 5hrs prog on nymue atm

🥲

[soft shale]

like if it was a past tier

[slim hamlet]

our highest pull count is council and its not close

[soft shale]

without the ilvl bump

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[soft shale]

council was fast but painful

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[soft shale]

they had us as melee run around hitting diff bosses

[slim hamlet]

people griefed for 50dps

[gusty mirage]

naw

you'll kill it faster than you think

[slim hamlet]

The only thing that makes me mad in this game

[soft shale]

and uctos killing people left and right all the time for like 80% of prog

[gusty mirage]

nymue is actually free as fuck

[soft shale]

or when a pull is going well and they clear all the patches

[keen pecan]

we're already +70 pulls on nymue

[gusty mirage]

bro HOW

[keen pecan]

[vale shore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen pecan]

best pull 19%

[balmy condor]

pre-smolderon is tuned for heroic gear, smolderon is tuned for mythic gear, and then tindral/fyrakk is tuned for 11.0 gear

[slim hamlet]

We had to make a wa that called us idiots if we even looked at seeds with 7 or less left

Because we can no use brain to look room

[gusty mirage]

tindral is tuned for ray charles

with how many moonfires go off on pull

[soft shale]

in the end we had like 9 raid markers in the middle

so people didnt clear those

[slim hamlet]

It was the biggest meme

[soft shale]

BRO MY EYES

[gusty mirage]

its worse on mythic

you're going to have a blast

[balmy condor]

I'm hoping my new cpu comes in before we kill smold

[gusty mirage]

won't help

[balmy condor]

or else my poor 3800x is going to cry

[gusty mirage]

it's sylv server lag time

[keen pecan]

new build?

[soft shale]

i mean pc specs is not a problem but

yea that

[keen pecan]

oh nm

[soft shale]

server lag

[slim hamlet]

rl put down cross on soak seed for pips ult, and it legit got eaten EVERY time. Even our kill half the raid died at the end because people ate it xdd

[gusty mirage]

boss will legit lag every single pull cause it has to preload the ENTIRE fight

very cool

[soft shale]

that was so cool

[oak tangle]

i just bought a new cpu / motherboard pair, and i can't use them yet cause i need to flash the BIOS on the mobo

[soft shale]

surely that man then went to diablo 4 and designed stash there

I WILL FUCKING DO IT AGAIN

[outer cairn]

just doing on tswift on heroic was bad. pull ended up being starting opener and then after I hit KB its just all frames gone and then when I can actually play again KB has run its course and i've wasted everything

[gusty mirage]

I'm not playing branch on tswift tomorrow

[balmy condor]

I'm on am4 still, so uh, have to pull the trigger and just suck it up and move over to new platform ya know

[gusty mirage]

fuck that

[soft shale]

updating bios should be super easy tho

[balmy condor]

am5 and ddr5 and all that shit

[gusty mirage]

🤝

[soft shale]

i will wait at least 1 more cpu cycle

before going AM5

[oak tangle]

it won't even boot. it's a 14th gen cpu

[gusty mirage]

why

[outer cairn]

new pc be here i think the 15th

[gusty mirage]

it's not like the socket's gonna change

[slim hamlet]

can u flash me too?

[outer cairn]

xmas present to myself

[balmy condor]

isn't next gen the last am5 cpu

[keen pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-faint-gif-9862849

[soft shale]

im thinking about getting a threadripper

[balmy condor]

or like the second last

[soft shale]

but undecided

[gusty mirage]

yes

[oak tangle]

so i need a compatible 12 or 13th gen and im upgrading from a 10th series

[soft shale]

but i will just get the new 8950x3d or whatever comes next

[keen pecan]

im still on i9 9900k cpu w/ 2070 gpu

[gusty mirage]

I'm happy with my 7950x

[keen pecan]

and im okay 🥲

[oak tangle]

need to take it in to the store and have them do it

[gusty mirage]

even though daps tried calling me stupid for buying it

[soft shale]

im using a 5800x3d

it is good for everything

the 7950x

[slim hamlet]

bro said "still" and listed 10x better hardware than mine

[gusty mirage]

"WHY NOT WAIT 2 MONTHS AND GET THE NEW ONES?"

meanwhile I was on a i7-7700k

like okay bud

[balmy condor]

my gpu shit the bed during covid and I had to spend 2 grand on a 3080ti

still wake up in the middle of the night about that

[oak tangle]

tfw, im upgrading from a 10900k cause it's "outdated"

[soft shale]

sorry for the mining

but hey it was worth it

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean I can't complain

good gpu

works great

[gusty mirage]

ESEA is that you?

[balmy condor]

just wish it wasn't double the MSRP

[oak tangle]

how much is double msrp for you? my 3080 was $1500 dollarydoos

[keen pecan]

oh you brought 3080ti during covid (assuming 2020)

i was gonna ask why not 4080

[balmy condor]

1100

[keen pecan]

nm

[soft shale]

yea i managed to snag two 3090s when they came out

[oak tangle]

i got australian taxxed hard

[soft shale]

then got a 3080 before they mooned

[gusty mirage]

your dollars are less real than canadian dollars, imagine

[balmy condor]

I think with tax and shipping and all the nonsense I ended up spending almost 2300 on my 3080ti

it was

insanely cringe

[soft shale]

remember when euro was almost the same as the dollar

[balmy condor]

but it's okay, I wrote it off as a business expense

[gusty mirage]

dog

1.05 to 1 isn't almost

[soft shale]

yea i had one of my cousins fly them over was cheaper

[slim hamlet]

I am running an AMD Ryzen 5 1400 4 core + a 1070

[balmy condor]

bruh

[keen pecan]

lmfao

[slim hamlet]

the hardware is almost my age

gg

[gusty mirage]

don't you get me started on a forex rant at 12:30am hacha

I swear to jah

[slim hamlet]

Hey man. Only valdrakken and tindral roots is a problem

[balmy condor]

I didn't even know ryzen went that low

[oak tangle]

i'm probably too frugal with my pc stuff, but i'm gettign a new cpu cause i want to not be at 50 fps in valdrakken

[soft shale]

i mean it was very good for me

[balmy condor]

ryzen 1400 is crazy

[slim hamlet]

Valdrakken u just gotta fly slow into, sit for 10 sec on the edge of the city waiting for players to load

and you are free to go

good tech

[soft shale]

what a man

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

unless you mean when the euro fell below the dollar

for like

3 days

[slim hamlet]

it costs 3 hours worth of work right now

[oak tangle]

my monitor is 240 hz, so i need a cpu that can bankroll my 3080 to give me them frames

[slim hamlet]

Pretty good

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean it's basically scrap metal so

makes sense

[slim hamlet]

and see that's the good thing

My pc can only run like 70 fps max right

But I only got 70 hz monitor

So its a win

[gusty mirage]

you would play on a toaster

[balmy condor]

that's not how that works

but close enough

[slim hamlet]

well

It's how it works for me

so

L

[keen pecan]

that setup

oof

[slim hamlet]

I can run elden ring on ultra with more 80 fps actually

[balmy condor]

I don't think you have the right to give anyone an L given what you just said your setup was

[slim hamlet]

idk how this piece of shit I haven't cleaned in a year works so well but it does

Only actual thing I have had problems with was my RAM

[gusty mirage]

I have an airfryer more advanced than their setup

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

jez would be proud

[keen pecan]

[gusty mirage]

my airfryer would at get at LEAST 72fps

[slim hamlet]

I got it at my confirmation, so like 6-7 years ago now

[oak tangle]

you could list anything amd and tell me it was new tech and i'd believe you

[slim hamlet]

Only thing I upgraded since was from HDD to SDD

[balmy condor]

what did you get confirmed

[slim hamlet]

idk what it's called in english

It's christian shit

[gusty mirage]

you called it the right thing

[slim hamlet]

religion confirmation

[runic hinge]

baptism

[gusty mirage]

he's making a funny

[soft shale]

second baptism

[keen pecan]

im lost

[balmy condor]

yeah it's a confirmation

it's just

a funny word

[gusty mirage]

this is why stealthi is the only dane I trust

[balmy condor]

that makes me haha

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

in spanish it has a funny name

[slim hamlet]

What did I do

[gusty mirage]

idk

but its fun being mean to you

[slim hamlet]

It's legit just the same in danish

[balmy condor]

you were born in the wrong place

[slim hamlet]

Konfirmation

just cooler

[gusty mirage]

why is the K cooler

that's kinda sus in the states my dude

[steel saddle]

feel like adds die too early for kingsbane to get duration in mythic + - does anyone have any tips?

[balmy condor]

run higher keys

[slim hamlet]

Well the K is the only thing that sounds the same

[soft shale]

ket shittier teammates

[gusty mirage]

stop playing with DHs and BM hunters

[balmy condor]

that's actually huge tech

[drifting cloud]

dont run keys

[balmy condor]

run double aug keys

[soft shale]

or boost keys

[gusty mirage]

if you bring a ret pally and like a spriest

[soft shale]

only 2 dps

[slim hamlet]

They do until +35 gl

[balmy condor]

that way it's just your damage

[gusty mirage]

full value

[steel saddle]

lmao the trolls are out tonight

[soft shale]

those are valid solutions

[balmy condor]

nah we're kinda serious though

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/think-thinking-thoughts-person-all-the-time-gif-1836332222206272183

[soft shale]

to your problem tho

[steel saddle]

ill run 35s

thx

[gusty mirage]

sadly, those are actually accurate answers

[balmy condor]

like

[soft shale]

26s should be fine

[gusty mirage]

everything just fucking melts now

[balmy condor]

your kingsbane target

will always die

nothing to do about it

[keen pecan]

just tell your tank to pull trash + boss together

[slim hamlet]

on fortified +24 the dm+kb target dies halfway through for 95% of mobs

[keen pecan]

#profit

[balmy condor]

that's your party utility in keys

turning a pack of 6 into a pack of 5

[slim hamlet]

it's unironically just an unluck

[gusty mirage]

your best bet for full KB value is big named trash & bosses

[drifting cloud]

we need an m+ build without kb

[gusty mirage]

otherwise it's hope your group are potatoes

[slim hamlet]

We definitely dont

[balmy condor]

I'll ban you

[slim hamlet]

We need all the dungeon sims with and without ironwire tho

[keen pecan]

(don't actually do it unless you're super serioes in pushing keys)

[gusty mirage]

why would you reward him? keep him here to suffer

[soft shale]

make the only channel available outlaw

[balmy condor]

fair

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-happy-laughing-crying-i-cant-even-gif-24163733

[soft shale]

and pvp

[balmy condor]

@drifting cloud I'll ban you from every other discord except this one

[gusty mirage]

[keen pecan]

[drifting cloud]

[gusty mirage]

stuck with us

FOREVER

[keen pecan]

its jover

[balmy condor]

good luck reading up on the newest genshin impact news bozo

I got shooters in the streets

[slim hamlet]

[wide ferry]

anyone rockin the engineering bracers w the flamethrower? Shite?

[slim hamlet]

Even the amongus class discord?

[balmy condor]

isn't the engi flamethrower a channel

that just does less damage than a normal rotation

I haven't heard anyone mention it since 10.0

[wide ferry]

oOoOo i thought it was instant

[balmy condor]

memories a bit fuzzy

[wide ferry]

f that

[drifting cloud]

I didnt even know it was a thing

[slim hamlet]

It was a tank thing no?

our tank used it for m+ pushing

[balmy condor]

I mean it could be an instant

I have no clue

[slim hamlet]

spreading misinformation

[soft shale]

all tinkers suck

[balmy condor]

it was talked about like twice on launch, pepelaughed

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/tomfoolery-cat-gif-20855967

[balmy condor]

and then not brought up

ever again

[soft shale]

just use rez+100% work on it

[balmy condor]

until this momet

[soft shale]

only one that has some chances of doing dmg is shadowflame rockets

and it can stun you

f that

[gusty mirage]

yes

[slim hamlet]

why do u know this

[soft shale]

tried them

you could in theory channel for 1 sec

[soft shale]

for a whopping 100 dps

[slim hamlet]

wait

[drifting cloud]

close

[slim hamlet]

The channel is bis

for our pooling playstyle

holy shit

LOGIN

[soft shale]

LUL

true secret assa tech

[runic hinge]

Holy shit, I didn't max engi for nothing

[slim hamlet]

this is almost as good tech as feinting and vialing before pull for 2set stacks

[soft shale]

if only you didnt stop autos

[spice spire]

LOGOUT

[slim hamlet]

u never believe in the tech

Trust me

U will be a believer some day!

anyways

almost 7 AM

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'd rather not

ty for the suggestion tho wcl

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-sure-catbruh-gif-21408636

gn pookies

[past forum]

Oh I just assumed stacks would clear on boss pull. Does that actually work?

[keen pecan]

raiding 2 days feels like standing still atm

time to make another sin toon and grind for nick of time

[balmy condor]

yeah, you'd have a solid 2 stacks of nature damage while putting up garrote and rupture

[gusty mirage]

who hurt you

[balmy condor]

?????????

[drifting cloud]

2 day raiding bis

[keen pecan]

uh some other guild in dalaran, had us raid 5 days 3hrs on M Rasz prog

🥲

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

thats gonna be oxi on tindral

[gusty mirage]

that guild pulled an elusive

for WHAT

[keen pecan]

im sure whisypr knows what im ttalking about

im pretty sure i shared that google doc

[gusty mirage]

% check

[drifting cloud]

100

[gusty mirage]

good

keep it that way

[balmy condor]

only thing we're talking about that I know is that if you have more rogues than nuts in your pants you gotta see a psychiatrist

[gusty mirage]

the boss is fucking shit

[keen pecan]

LMAO

[drifting cloud]

im just waiting to see how big the nerf is this week

surely 0% chance it doesnt get one

right ...

[keen pecan]

i have even more rogue toons in other realm

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather prog a raid full of zskarn, Fatescribe, Lords of Dread, and KT x5 each

[keen pecan]

🥲

[gusty mirage]

than do tindral

[lean hatch]

it's 4.4% in raid 😦

[gusty mirage]

I'd actually rather pull echo of neltharion with 10 new people every single time than prog tindral

[drifting cloud]

dont be scared of hard bosses oxi, comes with your rise in wr!

[gusty mirage]

bro the boss is bad

it's absolute dogshit

[keen pecan]

id pull M sylv with 10 new ppl every time than prog nymue 🥲

[gusty mirage]

and how can I be scared if I'm just blind

the entire time

[drifting cloud]

yeah ik, youre just basically getting DRd with prog hours

[gusty mirage]

I can't see the screen to be afraid

[keen pecan]

sorry for bumping into ur conv, ill stfu

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/morning-sunshine-blind-bright-gif-5235310

on pull

every single pull

I'm about to go get sun glasses to prog this boss

[keen pecan]

this is ur friend

[gusty mirage]

makes it worse actually

[past forum]

Inky B

[gusty mirage]

cause then your screen goes from dark to csgo flashbang

the best nerf they could do to tindral is find that texture and just delete it from the files

[keen pecan]

fortunately, they're in vender (darkmoon day) tmr

inky b sells for 80g in AH, wtf

[soft shale]

im glad my other rogues are not named hachadino or anything similar

[past forum]

I just put rave lights up in my room to drown everything else out

[balmy condor]

do you have a character named "hachoo"

[soft shale]

i had one named xXxdarkninjaxXx but it was a druid was my first char

got banned tho

[balmy condor]

feels like a missed opportunity if you don't

[lavish brook]

Are crafted rings worth it if I'm having bad ring drop luck?

[grave umbra]

is sub now the play?

[soft shale]

correct next week likely many will craft ring

[past forum]

Hachoo the rogue, and then Blessyou the paladin

[balmy condor]

yeah after your embellishments it's a good option

[lavish brook]

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

I think I'm crafting a cloak

[keen pecan]

spore 👀 ?

[balmy condor]

fuck no

[keen pecan]

[balmy condor]

just a regular cloak

[gusty mirage]

I'm torn between cloak/ring

[keen pecan]

jk

[gusty mirage]

because both are dogshit

[balmy condor]

yeh

the other option is I just

don't craft anything

and just spam the crests into stuff

[slim hamlet]

Echo with new trials every pull?

[balmy condor]

could be the move

[gusty mirage]

bro I'd rather pull echo with 12 mops behind keyboards

[soft shale]

i did crest spam vs ring and ring was better but it will always depend

[slim hamlet]

I realised u wrote it right after

[balmy condor]

yeh I already have double hero track rings

so

[slim hamlet]

Tindral looks fun now, only p2 that is like 0% chance we could do

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's an absolute blast

you're going to enjoy it

[slim hamlet]

Would be a good 500 pulls to get to it

[past forum]

I have a myth and hero ring, but the hero ring is kinda mid. But I have a champ cloak so I might go cloak if nothing else comes up

[gusty mirage]

then you can share fav boss with foreverguy

because you're both mentally ill

[slim hamlet]

I think all 3 last bosses got too much individual play for me to enjoy them

[soft shale]

they are cool to watch

[gusty mirage]

smolderon is a banger

it's actually such a good boss

[soft shale]

then you join the camp

[slim hamlet]

I get mad too easily when others don't understand as fast as myself sadly

Wish I didn't and I could just vibe

[soft shale]

i have a mind of iron

[gusty mirage]

fyrakk is a banger too

tindral can die in a fucking fire

[soft shale]

i've wiped more than 1000 times on many bosses

[gusty mirage]

fucking boomkins man

[soft shale]

ahaha yea man

[gusty mirage]

we're on the skyline pace

so in like 962 pulls

boss should be dead

[soft shale]

nice

[drifting cloud]

skyline is on good pace on fyrakk aswell

[soft shale]

might send some coffe

while we get to smolderon

[balmy condor]

is this why you keep thinking of stuff like sepsis+rotten

it's like a football player

too many concussions

[runic hinge]

this is true

[soft shale]

nah that is from FF XI

[drifting cloud]

how many bosses could you have possible wiped more than 1k times on hacha

in wow?

[soft shale]

doing bosses for 20 hours

[drifting cloud]

like I cant even think of more than 3

[soft shale]

i till have my RELAY 3 alarms

[gusty mirage]

it was back in the day in classic, when the game was harder

[soft shale]

and RELAY 2

[balmy condor]

uunat, kj, tindral, uhhhhh xavius

[slim hamlet]

I swear Instant dollars are way more cracked than they get Credit​ for

[keen pecan]

M sylv isn't even on the list

[gusty mirage]

you're telling me tindral is close to how difficult molten core was?

HA

[drifting cloud]

but isnt 1k wipes in FF somewhat standard for the hard stuff

especially since people do it semi-blind or whatever

[balmy condor]

joke boss

[soft shale]

not counting bosses before wrath LK was capped but we did it on 3 diff chars

cata ragnaros was around 9xx

[balmy condor]

💀

[soft shale]

spine was also around 800

[gusty mirage]

why on earth would you do lich king on 3 characters

who hurt you

[keen pecan]

15min boss, +700 pulls before achieving CE

🥲

[soft shale]

try limit

[keen pecan]

i cri everytime

[slim hamlet]

I mean the fight is as long as clearing all of molten core was, so seems good to me

[balmy condor]

just kill it idk

[gusty mirage]

brother

if you hit the limit

[soft shale]

after finishing try limits on 3 chars we would go to boosting

[gusty mirage]

you go next

ggs

[drifting cloud]

700 pulls those are the classic wow devs guild numbers

[gusty mirage]

clear trash again

[drifting cloud]

whats that guy named again

[keen pecan]

already killed, its all history

[gusty mirage]

kirbyau

currently beating the ANVIL

sorry ghost gaming

my bad

[soft shale]

then i think lei shen dark animus

[drifting cloud]

nexus sx vs ghost gaming on last 2

[soft shale]

siegecrafter was not 1000 but 700

[drifting cloud]

will be a spectacle

[soft shale]

dark animus was a bit cheating because most pulls were 20 secs

[gusty mirage]

I've never seen a better showdown than anvil vs nexus sx for world 350th larodar

[drifting cloud]

damn oxi so toxic now

[balmy condor]

wdym "now"

[drifting cloud]

oh nvm they didnt even kill the bosses last reset

[lavish brook]

Does this mean that I'm basically trash? I definitely am not that good, but killing heroic tindral was hella deece for me and I led the raid in DPS. Is that how I read it? lol

[drifting cloud]

Id let it slide if it was like on monday

[soft shale]

you didnt pad enough on vines

[gusty mirage]

homie if the boss is dead, and you had to RL people, you're doing fine

[balmy condor]

it means you're better than 43/100 rogues

that killed the boss

so slightly below average

[lavish brook]

Lol, rough

[drifting cloud]

is it easy to change a wa to say the name of the ability once it goes on cd

or do you need custom shit

[runic hinge]

boss dead tho

[upper spear]

is there no build that plays Vicious Venoms? It sounds good but i guess no?

[soft shale]

they are not vicious enough

[balmy condor]

energy cost too high

[dusk palm]

we high rolled the second hero nick! free from dungeons

[eternal heath]

pog

[dusk palm]

need to wait til tuesday to upgrade

since i only have one 483 wep and no crests

also I just realized- the kingsbane nerf is a buff in keys

now my target will live long enough for the backend

thereby increasing my aoe

[eternal heath]

stonks

[tacit charm]

when looking at details, does the bleed dmg increased by 10% show in the sudden demise tab? or does it just add the extra dmg to the other bleeds

like is this including the extra 10% bleed dmg you get from it

[prisma vortex]

!aug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue abilities not being reattributed to Augs in logs:

Blade flurry Shadow Blades Sanguine Blades

Poisoned Edges Sudden Demise Shadow Eviscerate

More information

[balmy condor]

no

details only reports sudden demise damage as the actual pop

same way like shrouded suffocation is just garrote damage, or improved garrote is just garrote damage

the 10% on sudden demise is just 10% on those things

[tacit charm]

ah ok, so im getting way more value then just that number then?

[balmy condor]

whatever damage your garrote/rup/ct did * 0.1

• the 2.7% from the pop

[south wing]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[south wing]

how does this apply without 4pc

is it same same but different?

[tacit charm]

Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine

[south wing]

which from my understanding is a bad habit to get into correct ?

[balmy condor]

nice copy paste

where's my credit

smh my head

[south wing]

you always get credit first

[balmy condor]

I'm not talking to you, he just copy pasted the line from the bot command

[south wing]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[south wing]

holy fuck I’m dumb sorry, but you know this already

[balmy condor]

lmao it's all good

[willow barn]

any chance i can do akkurate sim for weapon runes st whise?

[south wing]

I appreciate you holding my hand along this journey

[balmy condor]

can just run a couple quick sims where you change it in the settings

[tacit charm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaving-leave-oops-bye-gif-17519616

[willow barn]

thx hoped somehow for an diffrent answer haha but seems like only way still aprreciate my handsome mod

[balmy condor]

I mean there is a way to do it in advanced

but I don't have the copypasta on me

and it's not really that important tbh

takes the same amount of effort, would just be one sim with a copy paste versus opening 3 tabs

[willow barn]

kk gotcha thanks again for the help

[balmy condor]

np

[latent copper]

How do you do aoe on mobs which one die fast? Garrote, garrote, rupture and then fan of knife and evenom oder instead CT? Sometimes i got the problem ob low keys.

And other question. Do you delay your skills when tank pulls, tanke some sec and pull more when other dd still hitting mobs?

[real stirrup]

focus on the mob count and how many times you garrote and rupture

[keen spruce]

the first point, I wouldn't worry about the specific buttons presses/number of bleeds. just prioritize getting garrotes and ruptures on as many things as possible/convenient. get spatter up. get CT up

fan, env as filler

[tacit charm]

[keen spruce]

on the second point. sometimes, sometimes no. all depends on the pack. like everbloom first pull. I don't touch anything until after my tank kick wears off the first 3 pack. then I sprint, garrote, step to the next pack, garrote them, then start normal stuff. this helps gather casters and get the pull established. but in like first pull of blackrook, I just get a few garrotes out and send everything into a protector ASAP

[keen spruce]

wtf are those two other dps specs

I've never seen those before

[tacit charm]

LMAO

so true

[runic hinge]

They don't play those at 3k io

[keen spruce]

[upper spear]

3k io is the new 2500

im sure we'll see it soon

[eternal heath]

First key above a 20, BRH21

[mystic osprey]

not bad G

good dps group

[eternal heath]

1m14s off 2 chesting it

Spiteful is rough in some spots

[mystic osprey]

rip

I got a 2 star brh

20

but not a 21

[mystic osprey]

been playing outlaw

[eternal heath]

Yeah my 20 was a 2 chest

[mystic osprey]

spiteful doesnt do shit to me anymore

[eternal heath]

Got them big long arms?

[mystic osprey]

yeah

and I pew pew

look at this shit

best ever pug group ive ever had

[eternal heath]

I have seen only like 2 ele shams

Was considering it for my alt, but went with warrior

[mystic osprey]

I like playing the underdog classes

its so good when you come out on top dps

[eternal heath]

Yeah it is my favorite lol

[mystic osprey]

last season on sin I used to top dps all the time

[eternal heath]

Part of why I loved survival in legion

[mystic osprey]

it was so good

[eternal heath]

I chose sin for this season because I have never played it before and heard it got some new QOL changes

Then found out it was super meta lol

[mystic osprey]

its why im enjoying outlaw atm rn I feel like all the hype is on sin

[eternal heath]

Same thing happened to me with boomy

accidental meta chooser

[mystic osprey]

yeah

I played boomi e a lil last season

dumb damage

like 424 doing 120k overall

[bright cipher]

huge

[fervent jasper]

Wtf is havoc right now

[south wing]

legit legion havoc is back

[ornate aspen]

Nothing feels better than being called a fotm reroller for playing assassination as an assassination main since Nighthold

[south wing]

you’d be havoc or bm if you were flavor chasing

[real stirrup]

!branch

xD

someone make a branch bot please

[ornate aspen]

The amount of DHs crawling out of the woodwork is bananas.
The DHs in my guild have been trying to justify why they dont need nerfs, like please

[south wing]

DH has always been blizzards baby aside from Druid

[balmy condor]

better than being called a one trick

[mystic osprey]

I played sin last season

topped damage charts anyway

[ornate aspen]

It's not 1 trick if I'm not even good at it :^)

[mystic osprey]

envenom

envenom

(last season)

ct

ct

garrote

id

bang

[ornate aspen]

I did get trolled for trying to play sin over sub last tier. Then it ended up being good on m sark

That felt p good

[real stirrup]

new branch here: so do we just collect the 3 orbs?

[ornate aspen]

I stagger to prolong mastery buff during kingsbane

Unless it's a clusterfuck in melee and I cant see them. Then I just wing it

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rolling-roll-funny-dark-souls-gif-25412731

[ornate aspen]

Tfw 6 melee hit branch at the same time and you cant tell which is yours

[balmy condor]

aight hivemind, any quirky names to call the weird raid m+ build thing

what we thinkin

we got hybrid, arterial

[silk bane]

ZeroCook?

[balmy condor]

nah

[silk bane]

i think zero made it no?

[balmy condor]

I mean not really

[ornate aspen]

What is this

[balmy condor]

he plays with amp

[silk bane]

oh yeah true

[balmy condor]

which I guess I could do

but then it's actually just a raid build

fuck it why not, just drop the CT

yolo

we'll call it uh

[keen pecan]

Iron carnage?

[balmy condor]

that's not very poignant to the build tho

they all take that

[silk bane]

this just looks like a cleave build

[balmy condor]

it basically is

it's the build you'd play in 2 target on council

[silk bane]

cleaver?

[keen pecan]

i didnt know iron wire works in raid boss,

[silk bane]

without the a

so just clever kek

i should go to bed, my cooks are not cooking

[balmy condor]

ctever

[silk bane]

LMAFO

thats actually good

[keen pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-clapping-clapping-drake-high-quality-hq-gif-23598042

[balmy condor]

Ctever

aight

but then we gotta commit

to making that a thing

I'm adding it to the guides fucking yolo

[keen pecan]

i am a bit lost as to why have iron wire in cleave raid

[real stirrup]

always trust in the hivemind

[runic hinge]

Tbh I've played it in 4 keys now and I don't love it

[keen pecan]

[balmy condor]

well, you'd drop that

[ornate aspen]

Wait you guys are getting to use cleave on council? Damn

[keen pecan]

your pic has iron wire

[balmy condor]

yah

[keen pecan]

o

[balmy condor]

that's cause it's an m+ build

[keen pecan]

it was intended

oh

[balmy condor]

but if you drop the iron wire

it's just the council build

for raid

cause nothing on this spec makes sense anymore

and you can throw up on a talent page and it'll work

[ornate aspen]

Bet. Ill build my talent with a dart board

[balmy condor]

maybe Cteave though

I kinda like Cteave

like cleave

but also leave

and CT

leave

cause no CT

aight

[keen pecan]

lmao

[balmy condor]

that's much more punny

I'm taking that