same
#assassination
rotund wagon
This is a very maybe if I get PI it will fix my damage take
winged sun
and eveyr assa is with externals
like 99% of them
if they all dont use externals they wont drop from top 100
cunning basin
winged sun
isn't vault nerf big
cunning basin
0 externals
grand trail
you guys enjoy being PI target? i hated those always
winged sun
for it to really be bad
fallen forge
if you take all the giga sin rogues raiding right now
blazing jewel
this is actual delusion lmfao
fallen forge
all of them have externals
rotund wagon
I just wanna shake that WWers hand
fallen forge
if they log without externals
still steppe
I just wanna shake that WWers hand
same
fallen forge
they will still be top
cunning basin
I just wanna shake that WWers hand
He's a real one, fuckin love that guy
still steppe
not me here thinking rogues wont need externals and rerolled from devoker and now sin needs pi 
winged sun
can't wait to play assa
fallen forge
do u know how many sin rogues play without pi rn
cunning basin
You're high as a kite if you think sin isn't ahead of the pack in the majority of fights even without externals
grand trail
many
blazing jewel
I just wanna shake that WWers hand
these were both 100s at the time. My guilds WW really liked this picture
fallen forge
why do u keep ignoring the context 
rotund wagon
Worthwhile sins doing relevant logable content are the ones getting pi, take it away those guys are still going g to be slamming
cunning basin
Show me proof then
winged sun
reef oxide
is crimson tempest worth it on 2 targets?
fallen forge
only a handful of sin rogues its so joever
still steppe
is crimson tempest worth it on 2 targets?
yes
winged sun
how am i supposed to know
cunning basin
how am i supposed to know
The joke is that it's me
winged sun
ok
bronze wagon
imagine caring about any logs that aren't the last 3 bosses of the raid, first 6 are a meme
winged sun
xD
grim tangle
imagine caring about your damage cringe
fallen forge
imagine caring about any logs that aren't the last 3 bosses of the raid, first 6...
you mean you dont care about patchwerk bosses?
rotund wagon
these were both 100s at the time. My guilds WW really liked this picture
He’s slamming. I play WW in my raid and I don’t have any oranges yet but I had to rock myself to sleep telling myself my raid buffs are important when I parsed a 94 and did 100k less than someone who parsed a 59 on their class
fallen forge
imagine caring about your damage cringe
sepsis tag gross
blazing jewel
He’s slamming. I play WW in my raid and I don’t have any oranges yet but I had t...
when we did that heroic split we were bothing doing 100s for most of the bosses and he sent me like 6 screenshots of the 80k gap between us on every boss
fallen forge
but message is based
blazing jewel
that class needs help
fallen forge
so conflicted
bronze wagon
you mean you dont care about patchwerk bosses?
no, because they are a joke this tier, there is no dps check
cunning basin
I agree that nerfs because of PI are bad, and in general my take is PI should be self cast only. I feel as though we've got plenty of data and support that "PI me" is not a meta players want
rotund wagon
that class needs help
Don’t worry we got a 6% buff
Likely will just get band aids until rework
Yes I’m coping
fallen forge
Don’t worry we got a 6% buff
6% buff < god
blazing jewel
Don’t worry we got a 6% buff
actually pissed ourselves that sub went un nerfed and ww got like 5k dps
cunning basin
Wait
winged sun
does sub need a nerf tho
cunning basin
Hold up
winged sun
idk man
cunning basin
rotund wagon
LOL
blazing jewel
does sub need a nerf tho
sub is very good on the last few bosses
cunning basin
For all 3 of you ww enjoyers in here
winged sun
sub is very good on the last few bosses
ye but i think blizzard looks at it if its op in every boss
still steppe
sub is very good on the last few bosses
on M smoldy sub's intermission dmg is nuts
winged sun
like overall
on average
if a spec is op on only few fights they dont like targetting them
rotund wagon
Yeah I get to play rogue again once we find another WW. But I don’t think either of the other people playing WW are interested
blazing jewel
on M smoldy sub's intermission dmg is nuts
its very good on tindral too
still steppe
i'm playing sin on tindral i cant play the new sub spec just not good enough
bronze wagon
remove aug an pi and sin is in line with other top specs, classic case of nerfing because of externals 
cunning basin
I mean unholy is not the best PI target bc spreadsheets have no context
On paper, yes, they get the most benefit out of a 5 minute patchwerk with no outside influences, but fights are contextual, kill times are different, damage amp phases exist, and cleave also exists
still steppe
i mean the only fight u bring a udk is basically m smoldy right
cunning basin
And the fact that there is a "best pi target" is inherently such a fucking flaw it's insane.
blazing jewel
rather just bring another rogue for smoldy
still steppe
and giving a udk pi is basically losing 1 cast of pi since the fight is around 7 mins
blazing jewel
or a bm hunter
cunning basin
I mean tbh
still steppe
idk how much they have to buff udk until they're better than sin
cunning basin
Rogue was pretty mid all last tier and horrible for the last couple bosses
So it's like
What's new?
subtle kiln
people look for faults in discussions instead of trying to see the point being made.
blazing jewel
Rogue was pretty mid all last tier and horrible for the last couple bosses
this is fake lol
it was only bad on sark
and hard carried early prog for a lot of guilds
cunning basin
and hard carried early prog for a lot of guilds
As soon as people got gear it fell off though. Because it didn't scale very well till the rework.
still steppe
and hard carried early prog for a lot of guilds
i would like to believe that my atrophic poison saved us a couple of wipes 
dark token
does the latest sim have nerfs (raidbots)
cunning basin
i would like to believe that my atrophic poison saved us a couple of wipes <:COP...
It's not cope, it's real
blazing jewel
As soon as people got gear it fell off though. Because it didn't scale very well...
I mean that was kind of the point
you gave it no gear
blazing jewel
and did top damage for most of the bosses
I guess if you count later in farm when sin got buffed that spec was actually really good at sark
cunning basin
rogue being bad on an end boss doesnt make it bad or mid for the entire tier
It was mid for the entire tier tho. You bring a mid raid buff, and mid damage, what are you? Mid.
blazing jewel
when the no going down strat became more popular
winged sun
It was mid for the entire tier tho. You bring a mid raid buff, and mid damage, w...
whatever u say my guy
jaunty lotus
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
cunning basin
whatever u say my guy
👍
static glacier
As soon as people got gear it fell off though. Because it didn't scale very well...
it wasn't ilvl scaling that was the issue, it was fight length scaling
random atlas
!fuu
grim jay
is crimson tempest worth it on 2 targets?
no, the person answering before didnt read the guide either. always better to read one than asking at random times, because some people dont know
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static glacier
the shorter a fight is the worse specs without burst will be
subtle kiln
I live in a 1 priest raid. I don’t get PI. when I do it’s crazy the difference. is it unplayable without it? not nearly as shit as UH felt last tier without it. it’s still playable, you’re just not blasting as much
cunning basin
Yeah I mean no PI is rough especially when without it you're outperforming everyone on almost every fight but like
still steppe
still still going to be fine even without pi + the nerfs
cunning basin
It is what it is. I personally think the nerfs were a tad heavy handed and they probs jumped the gun but 🤷 it's not like anything we say matters in the balance department
static glacier
still still going to be fine even without pi + the nerfs
yes
still steppe
you're still gonna be top 3
cunning basin
And rogue still gonna be good
deft vault
sin without PI is not top tier tho
grim jay
people 
so hard lol
static glacier
didn't seem that way to me when I didn't get pi on council
winged sun
subtle kiln
grim jay
didn't seem that way to me when I didn't get pi on council
yeah, a single person with a guild that has a strong variation in individual skill is really representative for the overall performance of stuff
static glacier
yeah, a single person with a guild that has a strong variation in individual ski...
that way to me
can you read homie?
blazing jewel
bro idk you have this idea and not many people agree with you and you just keep typing it over and over again
static glacier
?
static glacier
pi already goes to dk
alpine latch
!up
prisma monolithBOT
static glacier
before the changes, they were a better pi target from a healing priest regardless
doom all you want.
subtle kiln
before the changes, they were a better pi target from a healing priest regardles...
this is why I don’t get it. 
static glacier
its not like we magically lose pi bc of the changes
the spec is too good without pi, that's my honest take
cunning basin
Finna make a forum post on why twins of the sun priestess should be deleted and PI should be self cast only and returned to the % and length it was pre nerf
blazing jewel
write that down
subtle kiln
fly too close to the sun as a rogue and you’re gonna get burned. this is not anything new. we’re not warlocks or mages
still steppe
fly too close to the sun as a rogue and you’re gonna get burned. this is not any...
realest thing i've heard today
static glacier
representation =/= power
still steppe
watch fire mages be top dps by end of tier
unique sorrel
You’re witnessing a man coping
static glacier
you must realise how cooked equating representation with power is
unique sorrel
Do not engage
static glacier
rogue has always been generally a less popular class
subtle kiln
you must realise how cooked equating representation with power is
ret paladins say hello
static glacier
on details? when did I ever say that. I check logs
blazing jewel
no matter how many times you type this you are not convincing any of us
static glacier
so you're judging a spec by the outlier top end performances?
you must realise that isn't the play either
this is like saying uh last tier was fine and didn't deserve changes
blazing jewel
your actually being the meme that put this in slow mode yesterday lol
hollow stone
just check bosses with external buffs off and you will see the many different specs that show up
static glacier
you're completely ignoring that most good guilds + players will pi the rogue
blazing jewel
crazy concept
I actually refuse to believe that you said im the one coping
thats great
brazen zodiac
lol
crisp pine
The only thing holding windwalker back is 1:30 cd on sef
static glacier
why can you just cut out the top performing rogues based on player skill and instead judge unfortunate rogues with bad comps vs the best of stuff like enh who dont generally get pi
faint path
lets go versa assas
hollow stone
it's just another sub tier, don't worrrrrry
static glacier
you are really trying to not understand
the argument isn't about pi making sin broken, it's about all the best sin rogues getting pi, if you take pi from them they'd fill up the top rankings
icy acorn
it's just another sub tier, don't worrrrrry
if the gameplay of sub wouldnt suck outside of smolderon 
static glacier
the best ones do
grim jay
every good sin rogue *
grim jay
what kind of top 50 guild won't have an optimised comp
thinking only top 50 guilds have the best players is rather weird aswell
static glacier
thinking only top 50 guilds have the best players is rather weird aswell
obviously not
but you understand my point
we're just ignoring all the optimised groups with pi on rogue and judging unlucky rogues
grim jay
I do but I also understand his, I dont think there are only mediocre sin rogues that dont get pi
deft vault
DH getting PI????
still steppe
DH getting PI????
hollow stone
DH PI is a meme unless keys
static glacier
I do but I also understand his, I dont think there are only mediocre sin rogues ...
ofcourse there's great ones that don't, but compared to say enhance or demo there's a lot more good demo + enh who don't get pi than sin
I think it's clear we'd see a higher representation of sin
just my thoughts, you can choose to not agree
crisp pine
I also wouldn't blast with PI tho, cause I'm just that bad
grim jay
ofcourse there's great ones that don't, but compared to say enhance or demo ther...
thats definitely true, but you only need to have a handful of people to compare the top end with or without pi, so while its nothing waterproof, its still somewhat valid
static glacier
okay so honey, you think sin shouldn't have been nerfed?
or what is your ultimate point you're making
blazing jewel
are you implying that people are not better than those two
still steppe
i lost track of the intial point honey was trying to make someone recap pls
static glacier
or are you saying "it's pi, we aren't broken without it"
hollow stone
TLDR; shouldn't have nerfed sin, shoulda removed PI o7
static glacier
fact is they're not removing pi
blazing jewel
not sure on yellowr but lolae will almost always play sin regardless of strength
so when sin is meta
grim jay
okay so honey, you think sin shouldn't have been nerfed?
I personally think the nerf shouldve been slightly smaller. like in the ballpark of the kb nerf alone or maybe 3.3 ish
still steppe
TLDR; shouldn't have nerfed sin, shoulda removed PI o7
thanks king ❤️
blazing jewel
there is more competition
hollow stone
that's the arg being made XD
haughty seal
still leveling up my rogue currently, is SBS worth picking up for questing?
blazing jewel
ban evading again sirstabs?
hollow stone
really, I think we should be pitchforks n torches to the REAL enemy... parry
REMOVE PARRY
still steppe
REMOVE PARRY
REAL AND TRUE
when your kb gets parried u can just alt f4 and pretend u dc-ed
grim jay
ban evading again sirstabs?
who is that
hollow stone
when your kb gets parried u can just alt f4 and pretend u dc-ed
legit
gray crest
who is that
that man was a character
grim tangle
are you implying that people are not better than those two
there is literally nobody better than me.
static glacier
I personally think the nerf shouldve been slightly smaller. like in the ballpark...
fair enough, I'm personally okay with the amount we were nerfed, feels bad mostly in keys for me but eh it is what it is.
gray crest
definitely one of the rogues of all time
blazing jewel
there is literally nobody better than me.
strange python
Think the kb talent point is still worth over other talents?
static glacier
Think the kb talent point is still worth over other talents?
almost certainly yeah
blazing jewel
there is literally nobody better than me.
are you only playing sin this tier I havent looked
midnight atlas
Theres should be parameter on wowhead mentioning if an ability is parryable or not. Anyone remember how to find it or how is it named?
gray crest
there is
blazing jewel
Theres should be parameter on wowhead mentioning if an ability is parryable or n...
if boss level is ???? it can parry
grim jay
that man was a character
the only real character in here was and will always be the man the myth the legend starting with an X
blazing jewel
unless its forced to look at you most of the time like sennarth
static glacier
Theres should be parameter on wowhead mentioning if an ability is parryable or n...
kingsbane is parryable.
blazing jewel
oh you said ability I cant read
midnight atlas
I know, i wanted to see if flaggelation is parryable but i think not.
hollow stone
if you believe wowhead, it is not parryable (flag)
midnight atlas
I mean, they take their variables from the wow client why shouldnt i believe them
still steppe
in SoD i remember it was parryable, giving me huge soulrender flashbacks
runic basin
is the kazzak neck simbait ?
midnight atlas
I never got parry on flag 
they should make kingsbane same
hollow stone
I generally believe them but yknow :p internet info, should always be at least a tiny bit skeptical
drifting cloud
is the kazzak neck simbait ?
no
grim jay
is the kazzak neck simbait ?
simbait is literally the worst shit right after people still wanting to CT at 2 targets
still steppe
idk anything i just put on anything my sim tells me to
hollow stone
is the kazzak neck simbait ?
I believe the spec channels all have pins about it -- TLDR is that it's a good neck but it's not BIS except for OL, I believe, but I would double check that (:
icy acorn
idk anything i just put on anything my sim tells me to
thats the right choice because the sim robot never lies
grim jay
thats the right choice because the sim robot never lies
chuckles in fragment
drifting cloud
its currently simming better than my heroic tindral neck at 480 ilvl
if youre outlaw that sounds correct
hollow stone
speaking of the robot lying, I was super sus about the dmg brand was doing in sims vs in raid... long story short, turns out that trinket was implemented REALLY WELL in simc
still steppe
if youre outlaw that sounds correct
it sims better on sin i cant play outlaw for shit
for ST at least
static glacier
simbait is literally the worst shit right after people still wanting to CT at 2 ...
idk why ct at 4+ isn't well known
icy acorn
idk why ct at 4+ isn't well known
because people dont read wowhead guides completely
just check the rotation and lets go
grim jay
idk why ct at 4+ isn't well known
I mean I could come up with some reasons
but tbf
they just dont read
whispyr trying to resist the urge
spice sentinel
speaking of the robot lying, I was super sus about the dmg brand was doing in si...
can you elaborate? because i felt it was simbait as well but some people swear by it
still steppe
whispyr : 
grim jay
speaking of the robot lying, I was super sus about the dmg brand was doing in si...
its just incredibly rng on shorter fights
hollow stone
can you elaborate? because i felt it was simbait as well but some people swear b...
I just compared my logs to the simc breakdown and every kill it was VERY close to the sim % and in cases where I simmed similar fight lengths, it was almost even the same dmg
yea, don't wanna use it on short fights unless you like gambling :p
spice sentinel
short fights being?
grim jay
everything sub 5
still steppe
u gamble 100% of the time
hollow stone
ez farm bosses
hollow stone
like gnarl n stuff
spice sentinel
well
icy acorn
every kingsbane is a gamble
spice sentinel
that makes me feel better then
picked up the fall trinket and just kinda been big chilling, like i passed on a couple hero signets lol
grim jay
every kingsbane is a gamble
its gambling I'm willing to partake in
spice sentinel
but now we are doing mythic i may snag one
hollow stone
I think brand is very good for mythic prog especially when the fights are gonna last their longest for your guild
the longer the fight, the better the value
spice sentinel
prob just stick to hourglass for shorter stuff and m+
hollow stone
and I just swap in the crab for farm shit that dies too fast
spice sentinel
yeah
static glacier
I think brand is very good for mythic prog especially when the fights are gonna ...
brand reminds me of bomb dispenser
super s uper good on long fights
weaker on short ones
hollow stone
definitely similar vibes, yea, agreed
spice sentinel
and biggest tears when something dies with the bomb on it or right before another charge
gusty mirage
!ban @strange python Ban evading on an account where you linked your logs probably isn't the smartest decision.
static glacier
pi is a problem for sure, but that's a different discussion
still steppe
hollow stone
Sub was already simming like 20k more for me with my gear than sin (no pi)
drifting cloud
??
cunning basin
Sniped
still steppe
still steppe
Externals are like 80k worth of dmg
externals u mean like aug buffs etc right surely
snow kindle
Yes
drifting cloud
aug buffs arent externals, stop looking at details
fiery mauve
Our damage comrade
drifting cloud
not our fault some hooks were/are broken
fiery mauve
snow kindle
Aug buffs aren’t externals..? Lmao what
cunning basin
Aug's only want me for their parse 😔
still steppe
Our damage comrade
tranquil locust
Should I be refreshing garrote during my vanish at the end of kingsbane even though I already casted it at the beginning of kingsbane?
fiery mauve
I guess the idea is aug damage is supposed to contribute to aug
Not to u on logs
But idk
gusty mirage
Should I be refreshing garrote during my vanish at the end of kingsbane even th...
ye you want max pandemic on it
fiery mauve
hollow stone
Should I be refreshing garrote during my vanish at the end of kingsbane even th...
Usually yes because your sdance garr is nearing pandemic, and it maxes pandemic window for a buffed garr
gusty mirage
should in theory be low enough where you can just blast it without thinking twice
that timing can be a bit scuffed in keys
cause sometimes you desync stuff/chain/etc
cunning basin
Our damage comrade
our damage
obtuse ruin
How do people manage to not drop envenom during kings bane and still cast rupture/garrote/shiv during dance
hollow stone
Play twist (/s)
willow vine
U can make sure to have rupture applied before dance too
drowsy basin
5+ envenom
you saying only envenom with 5 or more combo points?
fringe warren
trying to farm nick of time dagger for brother
snow kindle
you saying only envenom with 5 or more combo points?
No just in the first envenom before shadow dance
obtuse ruin
U can make sure to have rupture applied before dance too
Don’t you get nightstalker value if you apply during dance?
tiny apex
I was looking at WoWhead and I saw 3 different builds for M+, which one is generally the best? Right now I'm doing Hybrid but I was thinking about trying the Arterial Shock build. Does Arterial Shock do more damage? And what's more valuable in a M+?
still steppe
fk u
snow kindle
Don’t you get nightstalker value if you apply during dance?
Subterfuge night stalker aswell that’s why
fringe warren
fuck you
hollow stone
Don’t you get nightstalker value if you apply during dance?
Opener should be garr ambush rupt so its already buffed rupt
willow vine
Yee that’s what I meant ^
tranquil locust
If I have the 4 set, should I only use envenom on the last 2.5 seconds assuming there's no kingsbane active?
drifting cloud
!pooling
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tranquil locust
Thanks guys
ancient rain
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
hollow stone
there's also a more detailed explanation on Whispyr's wowhead guide, if you want more
drifting cloud
@gusty mirage why did you use my pic for the undead for the dagger
hollow stone
yoinked
gusty mirage
drifting cloud
hollow stone
ryler is watching you
fiery mauve
tranquil locust
Is Nick of time a 1% dropp chance from the m+ dungeon or is that another way of getting them?
still steppe
Is Nick of time a 1% dropp chance from the m+ dungeon or is that another way of ...
get 3 other rogues to go in with ya
2*
fiery mauve
lavish wing
i got the second on 41th run
still steppe
i got the second on 41th run
i got my dagger pretty easily it was the branch that took like 35 runs
lavish wing
I got 3/4 assa bis trinkets on the first day of the season
brave stump
i aint complaining
brave stump
im lf ashes, pips and cataclysm signet brand
lavish wing
Oh got Ashes too
brave stump
still steppe
im lf ashes, pips and cataclysm signet brand
havent seen a single brand in raid yet
lavish wing
Switched from branch to Ashes cause more practical
still steppe
that trinket doesnt exist
brave stump
volcoross i thought about wiping the homies because i had flames but was in cd's too
icy acorn
Aug's only want me for their parse 😔
a pi on an assa rogue is a pi on every augmentation evoker in your raid 
tranquil locust
Any tips to get the branch trinket orbs during crazy fights or can I just stay still?
Or maybe I should use ashes if I don't want to deal with orbs?
icy acorn
Any tips to get the branch trinket orbs during crazy fights or can I just stay s...
pick up the left one first if you have to go right in a few seconds
pick up the right one first if you have to go left in a few seconds
tribal stag
Is there any reason not to take acrobatic strikes in m+? Considering it's a 2% difference in sim dps, it seems like it would be impossible to not gain that back from the extra range from acro in the clusterfuck that is m+.
cinder bramble
Hey lovely rogues, not sure where is the right place to ask this so I´ll just try here. How bad is chain pulling for rogues in m+? I see some complains in pugs and they still pop off so I was just wondering.
full spear
It’s not that big of a deal with vanish and shadow dance
plain onyx
Is this worth buying ?
icy acorn
yes
lean portal
hi guys i've seen some top assa running ashes instead of branch in very high keys ? is it something new ?
real stirrup
Is there any reason not to take acrobatic strikes in m+? Considering it's a 2% d...
4+ mobs - fan of knives - ONE COMBO POINT
tranquil locust
Outlaw seems to sim significantly higher in hectic cleave situations compared to sin. Would you guys recommend playing outlaw for m+ for this reason?
twilit hollow
I could recommend not simming hectic cleave
ornate jetty
play whatever your heart desires
lean portal
hi guys i've seen some top assa running ashes instead of branch in very high key...
if someone has answer for that :p im a bit lost
candid goblet
whats the main trouble you run into when playing branch
tranquil locust
I could recommend not simming hectic cleave
Oh is it unreliable?
Appreciate the help!
tribal stag
4+ mobs - fan of knives - ONE COMBO POINT
I don't follow. How does acro affect that?
twilit hollow
I mean it has a specific purpose and it's purpose isn't really accurate to dungeons.
lean portal
whats the main trouble you run into when playing branch
orbs hard to time ?
twilit hollow
But the answer is unless you're pushing keys at the highest level play what you want. All three specs are close
candid goblet
well there you go
real stirrup
It doesn't haha I accidentally replied to you. But regarding your point, you do get used to it, but still feels sucky trying to kiss mobs
lean portal
kk ty
tranquil locust
But the answer is unless you're pushing keys at the highest level play what you ...
Oh ok, I saw an outlaw rogue destroy me on meters in m+ but I guess I'm just bad at sin
lean portal
so youd recommend going ashes in every situation where branch is hard to time ? that must be every MM and half of raid bosses
candid goblet
its not just it being hard to time
in m+ you usually worry about frontals and stuff more
than you do in raids
storm forum
The loss of haste in M+ is a bigger deal than in raid. IIRC, we're recommending mirror (from Rise) if you want a replacement on use for M+.
lavish wagon
!fuu
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lean portal
The loss of haste in M+ is a bigger deal than in raid. IIRC, we're recommending ...
there is no way mirror is better than ashes or branch right ?
what is haste going to do when on burst timer
rain oyster
is the 15% KB nerf secretely a buff in M+ cause now a prio add wont just die from ur burst before your last few secs of KB +CS?
storm forum
in M+ youre often holding CDs, so the CD lining up with DM doesnt matter as much, and we're still doing a lot of damage between CDs.
branch is still better
rain oyster
nerf = actually buff
lean portal
so you guys disagree
storm forum
but if you dont want to worry about orb collection
i think mirror is the best alternate on use
for M+
valid shadow
Mirror of fractured tomorrow's or accelerating sand glass?
Getting kinda conflicting info online on this
Same ilvl
storm forum
what's your other trinket?
lean portal
both can be played together i guess
valid shadow
Witherbark
lean portal
for the passive trinket we always go for sand glass right ?
valid shadow
Cool ty
autumn frost
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passive trinket you can use Pip's, Hourglass or signet brand, depends on what you're doing. Hourglass is farmable from M+ so most people are using that.
misty holly
Hope I see a pips in vault because literally every single person in raid rolls on that thing.
hard plaza
anyone decent able to link a typical dmg breakdown of their total overall from a m+
thorny aurora
does anyone play with versa flask? i have a lot of crit/mast/haste gear and usually play crit flask but raidbots is making me gem/enchant versa
misty holly
I use vers flask because I always get hit with shit and want to delay procing cheat death as long as possible lol
eternal nymph
does anyone play with versa flask? i have a lot of crit/mast/haste gear and usua...
Sim it. Rage always wins for me.
But for prog Vers is forced, so I optimize my gear for Vers flask
thorny aurora
how do you sim vers vs rage in topgear? do you do 2 parallel sims and change it in the options?
eternal nymph
You can do 2 top gear Sims with checking out different enchants and gems. 1 with Vers, next with Crit flask.
Or you do it in advanced sim all at once, but that's a lot of combinations you'd have to manually create
storm forum
I died to signet brand + crit phial two too many times so now im only playing vers flask.
grim jay
I died to signet brand + crit phial two too many times so now im only playing ve...
did you try getting decent healers?
and skilling alchemy
icy acorn
just press feint
royal lantern
I died to signet brand + crit phial two too many times so now im only playing ve...
mate
at that point you where dead anyway
royal lantern
like
yeha
if you stay at litearlly 1% hp
you die
cus you are not supposed too be at 1% hp
grim jay
you do way more selfhealing than the damage you take from that ngl
royal lantern
^ that aswell
like, the basic life reg you have as everyone allready does huge work against it
and rogue with recoup+some leech?
lol
runic hinge
recoup broken
runic hinge
I mean it's broken as its not healing
royal lantern
they are desinged too not have any impact at all
cus if they actually had impact
you could not even use them in the open world
runic hinge
It stops healing on vanish
storm forum
look buds, I died to receiving 0 healing and the last 5 seconds of my death log was only self damage. idk
krill issue ig
ebon quest
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royal lantern
krill issue ig
storm forum
thats the 7th worst gif ive ever had the displeasure of seeing
royal lantern
what are the other 6
shrewd galleon
hey, a question about vers and mastery for assasination, i am wondering why people would go for Versatility over Mastery since pr point from what i can tell you get more dmg from Mastery , or am i wrong in that statement?
royal lantern
people go for the stat that sims the highest for them
and for assa, all stats are almost fully equal at this point
keen spruce
hey, a question about vers and mastery for assasination, i am wondering why peop...
You are sometimes wrong in that statement
storm forum
what are the other 6
rat gif, rat gif 2, vore, gross shock gif, gross gore gif.
runic hinge
I mean it's broken as its not healing
bugged is wht i meant
shrewd galleon
the thing is that i had based on haste, crit ,mastery.. but when i went to make the tier piece it was crit haste vers..
storm forum
i dont wanna think about them
storm forum
i actually like that one
shrewd galleon
well ty for responding to my questions 🙂
royal lantern
i actually like that one
i mean yeha, pet rats are cute
shrewd galleon
you all have a great time
runic hinge
you all have a great time
No you
runic hinge
use vanish and shadow dance to spread bleeds
rotund jungle
but arent u want to use them for KB ?
runic hinge
You can still hit kb during shadow dance and I find vanish is more important for spreading bleeds unless I'm on a boss
your kb will do less damage on trash but half the time if I focus the mob it does before Kb's last tick anyways
obtuse ruin
Opener should be garr ambush rupt so its already buffed rupt
got it ty
urban rampart
how u handle chain pulls as assa ?
I tell my tanks early on if you wanna pull big go ahead but do not chain pull
Whats the overall nerf we are looking at with recent patch notes?
obtuse ruin
pins
urban rampart
Ok so not really a huge nerf good to know
upper burrow
so sin is dead ?
frank trout
You can still hit kb during shadow dance and I find vanish is more important for...
was just coming here to ask basically this exact question ty ty
plucky quail
so sin is dead ?
No shot
cerulean walrus
so sin is dead ?
Yeah bro sin dead 
runic hinge
OL new hotness
cerulean walrus
Sin dead reroll WW
upper burrow
maybe i'll switch to sub
faint trout
!dagger
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clever sapphire
dark token
Damn stats being equal
cerulean walrus
maybe i'll switch to sub
Sub dead reroll WW
slate crown
I have to sim all of these every time
But do u tho?
dark token
Yeah
I can gain +-1k DPS depending on ring setup and different specs and different scenarios want different things
Why not sim em
cerulean walrus
so sin is dead ?
In reality not at fucking all bro that nerf hardly touched shit
cerulean walrus
Crazy? I was crazy once
slate crown
You just plug it in raidbots and go afk
Damn sounds like more clicks than not
slate crown
tft? Team fortress Two?
slate crown
Miss that game
cerulean walrus
The real TFT
jaunty warren
!dagger
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modest jasper
Dragonkin is 10% speed or?
formal cliff
ty 
sterile badge
and aneddotically based on my last 17 fall key, that damn dagger has 0% drop rate 😦
and 17 is not the level of the key, it's the number of attempts
:c
formal cliff
rookie number
sterile badge
i would've like to drop one or both before next raid day
raw zenith
Luckily I’m not the only one who thinks the dagger is a myth
sterile badge
Luckily I’m not the only one who thinks the dagger is a myth
it's a mass illusion, there is no dagger in ba sing se
wide ferry
17? Those are rookie numbers, 32 here, never seen it. Its fucking bs lmao
urban rampart
What build do you guys thing is better this week? Hybrid or Arterial?
fast fog
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slate crown
What build do you guys thing is better this week? Hybrid or Arterial?
Honestly if you scroll up, there's been a ton of back and forth discussion between these and really they both look good. Acro builds doing fine. The no-amp DTB build doing ok, the Mostly-ST-+IC+Spatter looking fine. Really preference based.
wide ferry
And itt doesnt help it takes 2 hours to get picked for fall because people think you need a meta setup for an 18
urban rampart
I've still mostly just been doing Shock+BS
Can you link that one?
slate crown
they're simmed with the nerf post and there's a link to the M+ sims/builds
royal lantern
53 and it dropped or 53 and ayou are still trying?
dropped
sterile badge
twice?
wide ferry
whats the drop rate exactly? does anyone know?
keen spruce
and 17 is not the level of the key, it's the number of attempts
very slightly unlucky
keen spruce
indigo mulch
reef oxide
can anyone explain the difference between the two m+ builds? what is each of them better at?
lofty junco
And itt doesnt help it takes 2 hours to get picked for fall because people think...
or +16 even. took me like 2h searching now to get invited to a 16 atal
sterile badge
a bit more unlucky considering it's not 40% on +21 and +22.
Stil DAAAMN
(and no accelerating sandglass, BUT i've got 5 shiny legs, one with double leech (824 instead of 412))
wide ferry
@lofty junco my rating is 2100 and i dont get picked for a 17 lmao Makes me wanna reroll sometines. fuck
slate crown
I mean out in the wilderness of the timeways, no matter how improbable the timeline is, some version of you has to be in the no-nicholas timeline. Why not this version?
keen spruce
I mean out in the wilderness of the timeways, no matter how improbable the timel...
true and real
lofty junco
<@280320387542417408> my rating is 2100 and i dont get picked for a 17 lmao Make...
now imagine trying to get keys with 1500. its a nightmare
brazen zodiac
the legs always drop with leech
looks at the 4 legs in inventory with leech 👍
wide ferry
And then dipshits leave on the first death. Ughhhhhhh
misty holly
now imagine trying to get keys with 1500. its a nightmare
1500 is only acceptable on first day of the season. By day 2 no more invites.
sterile badge
i litterally created my rogue on wednsday of second week, i didn't even try to enter in any grooup, i played my key until 2600
reef oxide
can anyone explain the difference between the two m+ builds? what is each of them better at?
misty holly
I think balanced is a bit better than arterial shock at single target - but also other ppl told me I was dumb when I said that so -shrug-
keen spruce
can anyone explain the difference between the two m+ builds? what is each of the...
there's no real difference
once has blindside
which feels nice
rotund wagon
1500 is only acceptable on first day of the season. By day 2 no more invites.
I thought this was kinda funny. 2k on day 3 gets me invited to 23s. The instant reset happened I couldn’t get into 17s lol
runic hinge
<@280320387542417408> my rating is 2100 and i dont get picked for a 17 lmao Make...
I'm 2400 and still don't get picked for 17's
dps spots are just hard to come by
jade abyss
like every season
keen spruce
I thought this was kinda funny. 2k on day 3 gets me invited to 23s. The instant ...
I made sure to login on reset and finish all 20s on tyrna week 2.
ornate pier
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keen spruce
straight to 3k or no invites
small degenerate investment early
saves the whole first half of the season
rotund wagon
I made sure to login on reset and finish all 20s on tyrna week 2.
Yeah I’m 2900 now I still can’t get into 17-19 doti to farm my stupid daggers I never got
40 runs in
limpid trout
Yeah I’m 2900 now I still can’t get into 17-19 doti to farm my stupid daggers I ...
Post a 17-20 GK Fall if you need the answer to this. The queue is 200 people large within 5 minutes. It has nothing to do with IO
rotund wagon
Yeah 200 people all 2100io though
limpid trout
They're not, but ok.
scarlet orbit
just did a 21 fall got like 20 tanks all above 2.7 rating
limpid trout
lol no
lofty junco
can we get more dh nerfs^^
fiery mauve
dim slate
Is there a spreadsheet with all the different builds for sin yet?
placid snow
Dh nerfs probably closer to like 5% overall I think
ornate pier
why did they nerf assa rogue but outlaw was not touched?
winged sun
Is there a spreadsheet with all the different builds for sin yet?
idk u can use fuu for the bis one i guess
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peak sun
If im starting rogue now, would you say sin or outlaw is better? mainly pushing keys
rotund wagon
Dh nerfs probably closer to like 5% overall I think
their disc says 5% and less if you didnt take fel barrage and in ST
proven jasper
Whatever is more fun for you
granite scaffold
Also sort of what you’re better at or what clicks in your head
dark token
are the nerfs in raidbots nightly/latest yet
wispy ember
The kingsbane nerf is ok but the blindside is to hard
dark token
i think the oppsite actually
blindside was too OP in execute never run out of energy
happy that is reduced
but sad burst is less
wispy ember
The legy is massive
spice surge
Its like 5%
The legendary is underwhelming
Still good obviously, but not ultra cracked insane
cerulean walrus
Leggo Poopy
slim hamlet
!atro
faint path
Guys does troll increase our dps what u say?
slim hamlet
probably
upper spear
Just look at blood mallet lol
slim hamlet
yes that will give u patchwerk
ionic matrix
Just look at blood mallet lol
Why is this lol worthy? He may not know blood mallet exists.
The point of discord is to help each other, not lol at questions.
faint path
Why is this lol worthy? He may not know blood mallet exists.
The point of disc...
I know the bloodmallet but ye I agree with you 😄
upper spear
I know the bloodmallet but ye I agree with you 😄
I'm sorry if I hurt you
dusk palm
now what?
faint path
I'm sorry if I hurt you
hahaha no wtf all good 😄
dusk palm
i'm thinking of farming galakrond's fall til i get a second hero track nick. then i'm fully a vault gamer lmao
cunning basin
Yeah I'm almost a vault gamer
fallen forge
what weakaura do yall use to yell at you to position for witherbark
cunning basin
what weakaura do yall use to yell at you to position for witherbark
Weakaura?
limpid spoke
champ track 
empty pilot
so the highest ilvl you can get from mythic+ is 483 correct? and you have to get 489 in vault or mythic raid?
cunning basin
I just pick the shit up
cunning basin
so the highest ilvl you can get from mythic+ is 483 correct? and you have to get...
Yee
dusk palm
champ track <:peepoGiggle:649739110088704030>
1/2 is champ. just got my hero one after 17 runs. deciding if i want to run 17 more for the second hero one or wait for vault
ionic matrix
now what?
Get signet brand for longer fights. Its awful for short fights but really nice on longer fights
ionic matrix
I would almost run yours over signet for heroic since fights are like 2-3 min
upper spear
1/2 is champ. just got my hero one after 17 runs. deciding if i want to run 17 m...
Oh ya oof just saw that.... ya i did the same. About 20 runs for my 2nd hero
ionic matrix
i did an almost 7 min nymue
My God... o7
dusk palm
at least the runs are fast
every fall is a 2-3 chest at this point unless you're pushing
ornate jetty
I had to do 66 for mine
im getting ptsd from SL s1 theater of pain for that master assassin legendary
upper spear
Y'all are getting daggers in 20 runs?? 🥹
Have you had coffee? Are you ready to he triggered?
dusk palm
i did 114 runs in legion for upper kara to get 2x eye of command on different toons
the problem was you needed to also wait for a titanforge
to get it at 970
cunning basin
Bruh I just am still sitting here like would deterministic gearing REALLY be that bad? If I run a dungeon 50 times on a 17 should I REALLY not get like a lil pity token to pick a piece of gear??
cunning basin
I'd happily trade my 8 hero track sandglasses for a dagger
vast shuttle
what is good dps for assasin
upper spear
I'd happily trade my 8 hero track sandglasses for a dagger
So.... week 2... Tuesday. Back to back fall runs with dagger drops.... 
vast shuttle
should rogue always be the top dps?
cunning basin
So.... week 2... Tuesday. Back to back fall runs with dagger drops.... <:PepeFul...
I will come to your house and shift every single item and piece of furniture 32mm to the left
upper spear
One was champ so I regrinded for hero
dusk sun
is dungeonslice the option to pick when simming aoe m+ dps?
cunning basin
is dungeonslice the option to pick when simming aoe m+ dps?
Yeah but always take it with a grain of salt
cunning basin
<:PogO:1160145144872435792>
past forum
I literally have an m0 nick equipped for my st gear cause it sims higher than my heroic dagger
cunning basin
Hell yeah
upper spear
There's a rogue in my guild suffering. Wonder how many runs he's at
@pure skiff what's ur runs at dawg
dusk sun
Yeah but always take it with a grain of salt
got it. i would also like to know when is it best to bake in Crimson Temptest in the aoe rotation
cunning basin
We love cantrips
craggy dune
We love cantrips
Brainstorm?
cunning basin
got it. i would also like to know when is it best to bake in Crimson Temptest in...
Follow the guide's priority list but understand that everything is contextual so there is not best answer for every situation
dusk palm
now farm another hero nicholas
ok da d
dusk palm
Follow the guide's priority list but understand that everything is contextual so...
wrong. you do it the first global the shades pop up to pad
craggy dune
I prefer Ponder
Agree 😌
dusk palm
that way if you keep moving, they bleed out and die to sudden demise
cunning basin
wrong. you do it the first global the shades pop up to pad
I've never padded in my life
dusk palm
i do a lot of keys. you can learn from me.
people take you because they see 250k, not because your blind saved a wipe
cunning basin
And do 1.7mil dps
dusk palm
if i'm doin 250k i'm getting removed from the group immediately
show me a non throne/everbloom/brh with an over 250k overall in logs and i'll stand corrected
cunning basin
Turns out assassination good in big pulls with a prio target and plenty of time to cleave bleeds
dusk palm
its just not a thing outisde of people running 28s
4 of the 8 dungeons have giant damage amps on last bosses lol
screws with everyones perception
cunning basin
Wish every pull could be like that 😔
keen spruce
And do 1.7mil dps
dusk palm
sure for a second
keen spruce
dusk palm
it all evens out
crisp pine
Holy fuck is that the uncontested AoE King Windwalker in that screen?
dusk palm
evoker oto lmao
cunning basin
Out here showing why assassination is being brought to 28s 🥹
dusk palm
use the 10m healthpool of the mobs to safely assume not a 28
cunning basin
I didn't say that was a 28 in particular
cunning basin
But that damage on that pull is why people are bringing assassination to high keys
dusk palm
evoker in the group. damage amp on iridirkon. under 200k in logs. dont @ me
keen spruce
that is very funny that i just happen to have that details in my last 3 keys lol
cunning basin
evoker in the group. damage amp on iridirkon. under 200k in logs. dont @ me
@dusk palm
dusk palm
😮
cunning basin
I just @'d you twice
keen spruce
got em
cunning basin
Become bodied, fool! 
azure osprey
Hello, for M+ arterial precision or DTB
lofty junco
isn't this......fun?
cunning basin
Hello, for M+ arterial precision or DTB
Pick your favorite
keen spruce
Hello, for M+ arterial precision or DTB
doesn't matter
crisp pine
You wanna be down to blast in M+
keen spruce
crisp pine
isn't this......fun?
Just get invited lol
keen spruce
isn't this......fun?
lofty junco
ppl rather wait 30 minutes for a DH, then taking rogue....
dusk palm
dhs constantly underperform in everything except overall dps
cunning basin
ppl rather wait 30 minutes for a DH, then taking rogue....
Ideal group has both
crisp pine
I would never invite those yellow freaks in my group
cunning basin
dusk palm
who knew that having a rotation that requires you to dash in and out of mobs would get you
a) killed
and
b) kill your teammates
balmy condor
I’d never invite me either
cunning basin
I’d never invite me either
I'd invite you
Just you tho, don't tell the other rogues
crisp pine
Key immediately bricked smh
dusk palm
i'd mark every one of whispyr's kingsbane targets skull to kill his overall
lofty junco
who knew that having a rotation that requires you to dash in and out of mobs wou...
DH is a virus that need to be purged
cunning basin
Bro my favorite activity is some weekend key brickin with the BOYS
balmy condor
When I pug I like to go into other rogues keys and funnel them gear
crisp pine
i'd mark every one of whispyr's kingsbane targets skull to kill his overall
I macrod kingsbane with skull mark
dusk palm
you have to macro it with a non-skull marker
and then yell aggressively how you have diamond and if anyone touches it they're dead to you
crisp pine
you can actually macro that all in one
KB
Diamond Mark
/yell the god king skovald monologue
I think we're onto something here
balmy condor
80% of the time they don’t say anything, but sometimes they go “are you whispyr” and I go “yeah :3” and they go “nah whispyr wouldn’t sign up for a +8 waycrest on a Tuesday afternoon
cunning basin
Adding god-king skovald rp into my KB macro now
blazing jewel
omg real whispyr
cunning basin
80% of the time they don’t say anything, but sometimes they go “are you whispyr”...
LMAOOOOOO
spice spire
Yeah :3
blazing jewel
real whispyr wouldnt have an alt code in the name
dusk palm
"/y DONT TOUCH DIAMOND OR I LOSE ALL MY DAM YOU MUTT"
cunning basin
Yeah :3
crisp pine
Smash me pls
dusk palm
how do you play sin in low keys.
spice spire
God I wish that were me
dusk palm
anything below a 20 i go outlaw
cunning basin
Smashin with the BOYS?
cunning basin
God I wish that were me
You and me both
balmy condor
And boom
cunning basin
I personally use arterial to cheese as much SD damage as I can so people go "wtf is sudden demise" and then I just never elaborate or say anything the entire key
lofty junco
ban everyx DH u see^^
cunning basin
99% of its players are bad
100%*
green harbor
yeah the average boomkin is horrific
cunning basin
Boomkin shit spec, get em out
fallen forge
can confirm i am an average boomkin
storm hedge
!up
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lofty junco
now they want to know your set in +10
keen spruce
"oh shit we need a brez... ig we grab a chicken"
-chicken proceeds to die first on every fight-
lofty junco
royal lantern
mate, boomkins managed too suck at the game when 90% of their dmg was "press convoke"
cunning basin
Boomkin's be like "guys I got hit with the same mechanic as everyone else but it killed me 😭"
noble leaf
But bear form tho kekek
crisp pine
"Can I cloak this?" for me
noble leaf
^dies for scientific purposes
cunning basin
I never know if feint works but I press it every time bc it makes me feel better
At least I know I tried
lofty junco
how many feint science rogues died to morchie breath?^^
noble leaf
Why would one waste feint on an avoidable mechanic…
balmy condor
I never know if feint works but I press it every time bc it makes me feel better
I perma run elusiveness now anyway so it always works :3
crisp pine
but what about cheating death o:
subtle tundra
I perma run elusiveness now anyway so it always works :3
So based
noble leaf
I haven’t taken my cheat training wheels off yet but I do think elusiveness might be the play, I just need to git gudder first
subtle tundra
I haven’t taken my cheat training wheels off yet but I do think elusiveness migh...
It's not training wheels, basically everyone plays it
timber meadow
man i haven't followed M+ at all... does outlaw actually blast more than assa in theory or people just like playing it?
keen spruce
pirate always more popular too
so it's got a few more high keys done
they're also beefy bois
noble leaf
Sin this week in keys feels kinda weird with spitefuls. Haven’t been enjoying myself on an otherwise pretty good push week
unique sorrel
Taking crippling makes it feel way better
noble leaf
Oh I mean not getting restealths for IC applications
thin gate
Oh I mean not getting restealths for IC applications
restealth doesnt hurt that hard
shut owl
only feels bad if you aren't running dance
thin gate
CT and caustic spatter fixes the "restealth" problem pretty much
sure its more dps with but anyway
shut owl
I just leave vanish out of my burst rotation on trash (since nothing lives to it anyways) just in case tank wants to chain something wacky real big together
noble leaf
I’ve been having success running no IC and just abusing caustic this week.
thin gate
they should make IC a 2 way talent tbh
either choose the old 45 sec on use or the passive
cunning basin
I perma run elusiveness now anyway so it always works :3
I must become more skilled 
balmy condor
either choose the old 45 sec on use or the passive
the old 45 sec on use was almost 3x stronger than the current version
shut owl
I like having options other than "Oh IC is down and tank pulled, guess I suffer"
if you're outside of cd's thats kinda fine though?
like, our bleeds kinda slap
cunning basin
Ye bleeds do big dam
frosty bolt
should i be running fall in sub loot or something? 21 runs and no dagger. havent even seen it drop with other rogues in group. prob just bad rng but its frusturating. lol
thin gate
cant wait for fated tier set when its not that much envenom based no more
balmy condor
i feel like in some trash packs im perma garrote rupturing
just spam envenoms once you have energy
balmy condor
cant wait for fated tier set when its not that much envenom based no more
fated tier set 
cunning basin
Fated tier set 
thin gate
with the current talent
balmy condor
my guess is they just let you mix and match tier bonuses, like pick a 2 piece, pick a 4 piece
but no shot they come out with a new set
cunning basin
my guess is they just let you mix and match tier bonuses, like pick a 2 piece, p...
I would blast, respectfully
storm cliff
67 runs and finally got my Nick still havent got the trink
lean kelp
how much of a dps boost is nick of time?
shut owl
s4 tier set: reapplying rupture causes an envenomous explosion, buffing your poison damage by 20% for 40 seconds every time you accidently hit the IC or exsang buttons you forgot to remove from your castbars
frosty bolt
67 runs and finally got my Nick still havent got the trink
67?! omg i guess i shouldnt be complaining at 21 wow
torn atlas
how much of a dps boost is nick of time?
I just replaced my off hand s2 nick with a 22ilvl higher Dreamcarver and it's a side grade. For what that's worth
burnt zodiac
What should be top damage at the end of a key typically
crisp pine
4set should make us be in stealth permanently
no more discussion about restealth
shut owl
mutilate is replaced with improved garrote. gg
mortal venture
Newer rogue, was wondering why a lot of people arent running zoldyck this week even though its fort
crisp pine
Cause I never use talents I can't pronounce
vast shuttle
why cant i qeuip my gem too my gear?
crisp pine
which gem
dark token
4set should make us be in stealth permanently
no more discussion about restealt...
that would be an interesting tier set actually
(pve only): you are always stealthed
cunning basin
Cause I never use talents I can't pronounce
What, you've never seen Hunter x Hunter??
crisp pine
No, I only watch rogue x rogue
vast shuttle
lllimited diamond
upper spear
No, I only watch rogue x rogue
Is this rule 34
crisp pine
lllimited diamond
Do you already have one equipped?
vast shuttle
idk how to quip
twilit flower
guys, a single question: Why do we want to use SD + KB together @start and not in the last 6 sec of KB, or am i doing smth significantly wrong?
vast shuttle
eqiup
crisp pine
idk how to quip
Do you have a gem slot on your gear?
vast shuttle
how do i see that?
cunning basin
guys, a single question: Why do we want to use SD + KB together @start and not i...
The damage bonus from nightstalker applies to the entire duration of a dot that is applied during it
civic glen
Can someone help me tell me what i did wrong if i linked a log?
cunning basin
"snapshotting"
unreal tide
guys, a single question: Why do we want to use SD + KB together @start and not i...
also we vanish the last 3 sec
tacit charm
Can someone help me tell me what i did wrong if i linked a log?
yuh
civic glen
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a2XmRh1PbBtK6JYy#fight=17&type=damage-done I'm the "Jezrie" rogue. Unsure how i'm getting so low ST numbers
noble leaf
And tea last 6sec
pine dew
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
twilit flower
also we vanish the last 3 sec
yy thats what ik 🙂 thanks to ❤️
upper spear
How do you guys open if you already have slice running? I've been doing Garr Garr Rup cp Env
Or if I have slice and cp
Rup Garr Garr Env -> CDs
civic glen
I'm just about hitting what Wowhead reccomends for ST (still not super precise) but i feel like the numbers are quite a bit lower than they should be. I'm simming 190k st but i'm only like hitting 150-160
dusk palm
if kingsbane were frontloaded i'd have multiple orgasms
tacit charm
wiat how long is the kingsbane effect
slate crown
14s
tacit charm
ok
slate crown
I'm just about hitting what Wowhead reccomends for ST (still not super precise) ...
2 things: 1 is your sim using raid buffs? 2 sims include Zoldyck (execute) damage phases, if you're only on a target dummy in valdrakken then you likely aren't having the same execute effect
civic glen
2 things: 1 is your sim using raid buffs? 2 sims include Zoldyck (execute) damag...
The DPS i mentioned is from the logs i linked, abd i'm simming patchwerk fight
mighty gust
Your kb damage seems low
civic glen
Your kb damage seems low
Me?
civic glen
Yeah i feel the same