assassination

[balmy condor]

yeah

just ambush

[tropic tundra]

[gusty mirage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?ex=65592c45&is=6546b745&hm=6a1849f8319d284826b46f6e257e341b8146d1cfe4944d74f6c4442650e080e5&

[pine ice]

Sin literally unplayable now

[gusty mirage]

I like turtles

[plain onyx]

Unplayable just because of the nerfs ? Lol

[rotund oak]

i like new poe league 🔥

[pine ice]

It's over 😔

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

WE HYPE

[rotund oak]

YAAAAAAAAAAAASSSS

[spiral pasture]

Looks insane

[rotund oak]

gonna smash it 🤘

[spiral pasture]

Raid logging shall begin a lot sooner this tier

[plain onyx]

How was sin in shadowlands during Sanctum of Domination ? Was it like in B tier or A ?

[rotund oak]

sin was very strong in sod

all specs were

[gusty mirage]

dom shards were very strong in sod*

cause as soon as those went away we were dogshit

[rotund oak]

true 😅

[brittle burrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)

[gusty mirage]

that list got short real quick

[plain onyx]

Yeah but i feel like even along with the recent nerfs doesnt mean im not gonna see myself topping the dps list. We're still strong, prove me wrong 🫡

[gusty mirage]

I believe in you

[slate crown]

Oh no that's the main channel wa command

[gusty mirage]

he changed the channel name

so

[slate crown]

LMAO

OH

[gusty mirage]

I'll fix it

[plain onyx]

Its a chance to see sins kicking dh's butt

[spiral pasture]

Bit sad about blindside nerf with how afk spec is alrd between cds

[spark scaffold]

are the nerfs implemented on raidbots already?

[arctic hare]

Not on Igira's spears to serve as energy batteries

[gusty mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)

[gusty mirage]

son of a

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)

[soft shale]

javier is teching

[gusty mirage]

SAIhuiksjdhgfjksdfhkjsd

[plain onyx]

I dont play blindside in m+, hybrid all the way baby

[gusty mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)

[gusty mirage]

okay

I'm just renaming the channel back

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

maydaymayday

[slate crown]

PULL UP

PULL UP

[gusty mirage]

someone else try

or I'm going to punch my monitor

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gusty mirage]

there

[slate crown]

damn

[gusty mirage]

fucks sake

[soft shale]

ahahaha

cached

[gusty mirage]

no I broke the bot

teehee

[soft shale]

is a hell of a drug

[gusty mirage]

:3

[forest notch]

is it bad to take this?

seems so useful

[slate crown]

No

You just have to make decisions as to what you give up to take it

[forest notch]

cool

what are the recommened flex talents? if any

[slate crown]

!guide utilitarian build is the wowhead version that takes it for keys

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[forest notch]

kk

[slate crown]

In raid, you can drop Deeper for it

[plain onyx]

Isnt it a dps loss if we lose deeper ?

[slate crown]

Anything is a dps loss to take acro

That's why I said you have to make decisions as to what you give up

[neat horizon]

"1 season dh was top dps GG back to break till war within :)" thats a comment on Wowhead. I feel like if i meet the guy that wrote that comment i want to hit him with a keyboard so fucking hard until every key breaks holy fuck these comments tilt me

[plain onyx]

Well every class has its time

[gusty mirage]

wait until you see the BM hunters who think they just got nerfed by 30%

[neat horizon]

Lmfao

[plain onyx]

😂

[bold whale]

4-5% overall for bm not 30….

[gusty mirage]

yeah but bm hunters can't read apparently

[spark scaffold]

funny how blizzard thought they fixed aug interaction with hunter pets but it wasn't working on their tier set pets

[deep topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-gaming-monkey-rocket-league-funny-gif-21095512

[mighty nexus]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[spark scaffold]

then they proceed to nerf the tier set

[deep topaz]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[brittle burrow]

Would it be bad if:

• I macro'd Tea after Shiv
• different keybind for Tea
• no keybind for just shiv

[robust scaffold]

wtf

definitely dont macro tea to shiv

[summer light]

Can anyone explain how Sanguine Blades works? What damage is being duplicated? 30% of the bleed damage done by Rupture Garrote and CT?

[balmy condor]

• yeh that sucks
• what
• not keybinding shiv sounds bad

[balmy condor]

30% of the tick damage

every time the bleeds tick it looks to see if you're above 50% energy

and if you are, the tick eats 2 energy and does 30% additional damage

[misty kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-have-any-other-choice-charlotte-tuck-raising-dion-nothing-else-for-us-to-do-were-out-of-options-gif-25145389

[forest notch]

We go Splatter for Fyrakk?

[balmy condor]

you can

it's generally more overall cause of p2

but definitely not needed

[forest notch]

cool

[fallen raven]

my rubric is that if there's any cleave potential then you may as well take spatter

[spark scaffold]

fun fact about sanguine blades, it can get parried

[red cloak]

hi I got a couple of questions about AoE, I'm taking Arterial Precision. when you pull, if you have subterfuge, do you even bother pressing ambush or just garrote everything? and is it better to rupture first while you have IC or just CT and then rupture after

I read the guide ^ Im just asking some follow up

[strange python]

what tier slot do we not use

or do we equip it all

[serene hinge]

do we save both charges of shiv for kb windows to cover the entirety of it?

[deft vault]

you dont want legs

[red cloak]

I've read yes

[slate crown]

Correct.

[strange python]

ty

[serene hinge]

ok thanks

[slate crown]

In AOE spread your bleeds during subterfuge

[serene hinge]

the "use it to not cap" bit added in the text guides made me think i was missing something

[slate crown]

Rather, garrote

[serene hinge]

🤣

[native flax]

what do the nerfs look like overall on ST and AOE?

[deft vault]

read the pins

[red cloak]

triple garrote or garrote > garrote > rupture?

[slate crown]

Get coverage on the pack

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage you got rid of the check-pins-assassination

look what you've done

[slate crown]

If that is done with 2 garrotes, do 2

[slate crown]

If you need 3 garrotes for it, you go 3

[red cloak]

okay i wasnt sure if a third garrote was worth more than rupture in nightstalker

[slate crown]

It is if it's being applied to non-garroted mobs

[boreal sky]

Tea gets used a bit after shiv in kingsbane windows. Doing that macro with correct shiv timing would cause you to miss the end of kingsbane with the tea buff. You also need to shiv outside kingsbane sometimes to prevent overcapping the cool down so you want a shiv only bind, else you will end up overusing, or wasting tea energy gen.

If anything is wrong someone can correct. I am bignoob

[slate crown]

You only very rarely shiv outside of KB

You still don't want to macro them together

but in "normal" dps circumstances especially in raid, Shiv will always be during KB and the cooldowns line up to allow this

[boreal sky]

Yeah it definitely hasn't come up often, but every now and then I end up with a free range shiv charge roaming around, probably bad play on my part causing it.

[slate crown]

If something weird happens with fight timings or you are intentionally delaying your cooldowns to sync with lust or something

[boreal sky]

Or just fight downtim- yeah.

[slate crown]

and you have 22-30 seconds to wait and hold

then yes, you can shiv

but that's not very common

In M+ there's a similar case where you want to use AP shiv to get extra bleed damage out for a pack you know will die too quicly to justify using KB, and there's a run to the next group so you have time to recharge shiv before needing it again

and of course the utility case of enrage dispel in M+

[boreal sky]

Yeah m+ is kind of its own kettle of fish in general. I play outlaw there though so I was mainly talking about raid.

[forest notch]

oof, H Tindral. I parsed so low but I wasnt running spatter maybe played a role?

Though I was also second on DPS so maybe a slow kill also played a role

[blazing plaza]

ia the nerf incoming big ?

[flint tusk]

Check the pins

[robust scaffold]

guys they just announced more nerfs ! they're deleting Kingsbane from the game and adding Queensfriend !

[fresh ingot]

Is there a tank/heal spec that is similar to Assa in the way that i dont have to spam a skill on every GCD, but instead am capped by my resource? Im not rly new but i only ever rly played rogue lol

[eternal heath]

[cunning notch]

You Think the assa nerf is Big?

Or still top dps?

[snow hamlet]

Check the pins

[robust scaffold]

https://imgur.com/a/9tMftRW

take a look at the tank specs

all of them near the top

[fresh ingot]

ayy ty

[robust scaffold]

ur not gonna play a tank and sit there braindead AFK in retail rn

[eternal heath]

Feeling good about that

Didn't sandbag entirely either

[fresh ingot]

damn i see why outlaw was so stressful (but fun, just not something for long sessions)

[cunning sphinx]

Dunno maybe I’m delusional but playing all rogue specs and DH, havoc def doesn’t feel remotely close to outlaw

[robust scaffold]

in which sense @cunning sphinx

DH > outlaw, or vice versa

[cunning sphinx]

Just key spamming. I’m saying outlaw apms feel infinitely worse. DH is a fair bit cozier

[balmy condor]

I mean

that's what that graph says

[robust scaffold]

i mean i actually think 9apm difference is quite huge

lmfao

^

[eternal heath]

I heard that Fury doesn't feel as bad for APM anymore. Was thinking about moving my warrior to that instead of arms

[robust scaffold]

i mean i actually think 9apm difference is quite huge
i mean 9apm difference is quite huge ** sorry

[cunning sphinx]

Yeah I’m not saying your wrong, just a visual glitch in my head I guess, like going from havok to sub doesn’t feel that much less imho

[robust scaffold]

ohh

yeah that's an interesting take

[cunning sphinx]

It’s showing havok being one of the highest and I don’t get that same like key apm fatigue on a “higher” apm class. The gap between havoc and sub doesn’t feel that much to me compared to havoc and outlaw

But yeah I’m not disputing or anything just personal exp I guess

[cunning notch]

Outlaw is stressful lol, thats why im thinking about going assa instead

But i only play m+

[twin wing]

YUH TELL ME lmfao, im new to it n i chose outlaw

still trying to go through rotations etc

[cunning sphinx]

Carpel tunnel simulator do go kinda crazy in m+

[runic hinge]

gratz

[robust scaffold]

assa learning curve seems steeper than outlaw. Outlaw just feels like if you can handle the high APM it is conceptually so much freer than assas. If the APM associated with high DPS outlaw is enough to steer you clear of the spec, that's another story obv

[eternal heath]

Thanks! Was a good 2 hours of wipes lol

Glad to have it now

[twin wing]

Ok so whats a good spec to start if u new ?

bc i know damn well its not outlaw xD

[cunning notch]

I Think the APM is High, but i dont Think the dps is too High for what it takes, but idk.. i still dont have tier set or good trinkets..

I do Think outlaw is fun, i just see so many playing assa

[robust scaffold]

i mean doesnt outlaw do more DPS than assass in high keys? Top groups are all running outlaws not sins rn

[cunning sphinx]

Even then too like you’re saying, past the apm outlaw really isn’t that hard. Just knowing when to prio certain spenders and for the most part popping stuff off cd is pretty straight forward. But yeah the apm can be annoying

[cunning notch]

Also playing my vengeance dh, just to avoid pugging as dps, as that shit takes a long time to get in a key

[cunning sphinx]

My biggest brain malfunction this season has been to stop using ambush with kir

[cunning notch]

Ive seen the opposite tbh

[cunning sphinx]

Brain just can’t compute

[cunning notch]

Exactly, thats why i like outlaw, i dont have to save CDs at all

[robust scaffold]

outlaww feels so clean compared to any other spec ive played. press your spenders, get your shit back off CD, spas out with a stealth

[cunning notch]

I often keep my cds for too long on other classes..

[exotic pulsar]

Ok but you can play those tanks at like 30 apm and still easily raid or time keys. They have the ability to be high apm but it's not like a DPS where if you don't maximize you are just useless. That chart doesn't accurately represent minimum requirements.

[candid goblet]

Friendship ended with Assa. Now Sub is my best friend

[cunning sphinx]

Sub honestly is so fun but the rework seems super punishing if you fuck up at all. Granted I haven’t played a bunch of sub this season

[candid goblet]

Same as Assa then

[robust scaffold]

i think everything from those simulationcrafts are obviously optimal rotations, gear, talent setups for maximal output

so obviously we're correlating top performance to top performance

we're not comparing DPS spec top performance to tank AFK braindead performance

[cunning sphinx]

Tbh it’s just learning key timings, but I’m ripping cds nearly off rip in most my keys unless I need to hold for specific things as assa

[fervent marsh]

hey guys, what do you think about nerf?

[cunning sphinx]

Yes

[candid goblet]

I try not to think about it

[vivid grail]

It makes me sad

[twilit flower]

i mean, why tanking a bunch of cleave out as well with the reduce of kingsbane... they could´ve just nerfed the st but not AoE

taking*

[raven egret]

Meh, its a bit harsh tbh, in my opinion, but its not so bad overall. If we were not PI targets, I wonder what would change but it'd probably be similar nerfs

[fallen raven]

they probably did want to take some of the cleave out, we're extremely strong at that too and get it for basically free

[candid goblet]

Classic wowhead chatters saying Assa nerf is a slap on the wrist

[robust scaffold]

wdyt it is then?

[candid goblet]

And does nothing

[cunning sphinx]

Tbh I’m more confused at DH nerfs, like on paper it seems good but it doesn’t really bring them down much they’re still giga s tier

[exotic pulsar]

Well the dude seemed like he just wanted a chill tank and they all are. That chart makes it seem like you have to be good to play them and my god it just couldn't be more wrong. So many keyboard turning keybind clicking tanks @ 2k

[cunning sphinx]

And ww buffs omegalul

[robust scaffold]

Whispyr has actually simmed this shit and revealed actual numbers on what the nerf represents

[candid goblet]

Yeah imagine buffing WW

Thats crazy

[vivid grail]

Soon sin will be like unholy dk and only function with PI

[cunning sphinx]

It’s crazy how shit the buff is lol

[cunning notch]

Yeah, I’m actually thorn between playing dh or rogue..

[robust scaffold]

yeah bro imagine being me and maining BM and WW monk for 5 years and quitting the entire class following Trill's lead this season

[raven egret]

Whichever one is most fun to you

[robust scaffold]

and then you see from the outside how people just laugh at us 💀

[cunning sphinx]

I want WW to be good, it was my main alt before this season but blizzard can’t have them be above dog tier for more than a full moon

[candid goblet]

Yeah, 4.4% isn’t exactly a slap on the wrist

[candid goblet]

We will lose more by losing PI too

[robust scaffold]

in AoE

[flint tusk]

It’s the typical people having an opinion about something they have zero understanding of.

[severe sparrow]

\

[robust scaffold]

are you the typical person who just intercedes in a discussion with a passive aggressive statement directed at no one in particular?

at least call someone out in specific

lmfao

[deep topaz]

Mmm more like A tier

[flint tusk]

Talk about jumping to conclusions lmao

[agile geode]

your friendship with assa is ended cause of nerf?

is a just deserved nerf

[flint tusk]

Ever consider i was talking about the wowhead comments that was happening in the discussion then you’ve taken is personally?

[agile geode]

and it wont change sin by much imho

[deep topaz]

No buff it by 100%

[candid goblet]

Bro its a meme, and how slow are ya

That msg was like 10 mins ago lol

[cunning sphinx]

You think it brings them down that much out of god comp? Hmm, I don’t have any reason to disagree. I’d be interested to see how it goes

[agile geode]

ah kek

[robust scaffold]

i mean already every top run on raider io is dh demo lock 💀

rogue gone from almost all the runs

[deep topaz]

Whatttt

[robust scaffold]

ggs boys pack it up find new hobbies !

[vivid grail]

Dh is pretty broken atm

[willow vine]

JPC is our savior boys

[runic hinge]

Always has been

[deep topaz]

Is this fear monger chat

[robust scaffold]

nah we're just fuckin around

[deep topaz]

Take this DH spy outta here omg

[candid goblet]

3-4 months ago I was arguing with someone here about how its fine that we are PI targets now. I was wrong this shit sucks ass. Every mouth breather in top 200 has 4 pi’s per fight and I don’t ffs

[robust scaffold]

LOLWUT

[deep topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/aired-ignored-breaking-bad-hank-died-gif-27201950

[robust scaffold]

dude posted the wrong gif 💀

[runic hinge]

Why would we be losing pi

[indigo mulch]

Yeah why lol

[flint tusk]

Yeh i got to experience the difference last raid night.
I got pi while my rogue bro didn’t and it was painful.

[deep topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566

Rip bm hunter

[agile geode]

can anyone pass me jpc discord?

[candid goblet]

Because the raiders and officers always pay attention to details, obviously

[indigo mulch]

I feel like bm hunter got shafted way harder than we did. lol

[robust scaffold]

BM hunters have to run 2pc/2pc now

[candid goblet]

Surely they know the situation with PI won’t change much

By reading rogue discord

[indigo mulch]

Everyone just reads bloodmallet anyway

[runic hinge]

They could just look at the bloodmallet sims

[deep topaz]

Rogues are here to stay

[candid goblet]

Woulda been nice if ours read bloodmallet to begin with

[deep topaz]

DH are a thing of the past

[indigo mulch]

I can see, DK's being a better PI target than what we are but they have always been a better PI target. But thats about it.

[candid goblet]

Assa’s weren’t even getting PI’d

[cunning sphinx]

Sounds like you just need a new guild ngl

[robust scaffold]

forget that, they've had access to these sims, WoWhead posts by Whispyr, this discord, and numerous other forums and sites for weeks now and they still chose to nerf the spec instead of addressing augvoker attribution and PI

[waxen oyster]

bloodmallet because people are allergic to simming

[candid goblet]

Nah these are just side bonuses, idc that much. But yea

[waxen oyster]

also

you guys have a dps dk off bench?

[flint tusk]

They fixed aug attribution. Think it’s only sudden demise still not.

[waxen oyster]

surprising

[indigo mulch]

The nerfs where extremly mild compare to what kind of damage sin actually does these days.

They could have targeted caustic for example

And completly destroyed any viablity for sin in m+

[waxen oyster]

target cap caustic and 4p

[robust scaffold]

caustic spatter is fixed?

[candid goblet]

Caustic nerf woulda made million times more sense

[cunning sphinx]

Wat

[surreal spear]

Do you guys think sin rogue will be decent after nerfs aswell?

[waxen oyster]

idk 4.4% nerf is a literal slap on the wrist

[simple stratus]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1180129404031082546/dagger.webp

[indigo mulch]

No, because caustic is currently bugged with aug

[waxen oyster]

its fixed

[indigo mulch]

Oh

😮

[candid goblet]

Why are we getting boat load of aoe dmg simply by doing our ST opener again

Nerf that thing for raids without nerfing it for m+

[indigo mulch]

?

How about we see where we stand when the aug hooks are fixed then we talk about nerfing.

Instead of having some feelcraft shit going on.

[candid goblet]

Calm down nobody is nerfing anything just coz I said so

[waxen oyster]

its a bigger raid nerf than m+

[candid goblet]

Lol

[indigo mulch]

I am calm lol

[waxen oyster]

you dont run talents that improve spatters as much in keys

as raid

[surreal spear]

But they are nerfing sin rogues

[candid goblet]

Just saying spatter nerf would have been better

Not saying do that on top of this one

[indigo mulch]

No.

[still steppe]

are u even on our side, no nerfs wouldve been nice

[waxen oyster]

this nerf barely matters

[raven egret]

What, spatter isnt broken its fine as it is

[robust scaffold]

mf said "side" LOL

[limber kelp]

how does 5% barelyvmatter lmao

[waxen oyster]

4.4

[flint tusk]

Yeh 4.4% does matter

[candid goblet]

Wdym on our side, this channel has practically been begging to receive nerfs since PTR

Kek

[runic hinge]

KB nerf also nerfs spatter lol???

[flint tusk]

Pretending it doesn’t is delusional.
Does it kill the spec hell no.

[runic hinge]

Why does spatter do so much damage? Oh. Cause of KB.

[still steppe]

[grizzled storm]

Guys when you looked at logs stats and see assa at /near the top for almost every boss you knew a nerf was coming

[balmy condor]

:3 hi don’t be cringe thanks

[flint tusk]

Maybe all the fotm rerollers will proceed to gtfo. 🙏

[indigo mulch]

Sin is still prob the strongest melee spec in the current range.

[waxen oyster]

tindral is waiting for your ranged

[indigo mulch]

raid*

[waxen oyster]

to do mechanics

[strange python]

damn if this is the assa channel i wonder what dh channel is like

[runic hinge]

This is bait right?

[balmy condor]

Nah mythic tindral is aids

[still steppe]

its not bait

[balmy condor]

There’s guilds that legit just kill smolderon and then take a break

[indigo mulch]

No, council is aids.

[limber kelp]

werent pple playing sub in tindral anyways

[waxen oyster]

its aids because tanks trolling

oh wait

wrong nelf

[candid goblet]

Its true though, some of yall accepted all incoming nerfs long ago while basically every other spec in the game fighting against it

[runic hinge]

But the nerfs aren’t even live yet???

[indigo mulch]

I'm proud to present, my current logs on council mythic

[robust scaffold]

wtf do you mean fighting against it my g?

[willow vine]

Yooo 0 pog

[still steppe]

yeah until u have enough root dmg then boss dmg comes into play and without boss nerfs + dmg nerfs to the classes that are doing the majority of the boss dmg its gonna feel like its impossible

[robust scaffold]

mf acting like this is a war

[willow vine]

Grats homie

[indigo mulch]

Thanks bro

[flint tusk]

You know you’re meant to press your buttons right?

[balmy condor]

??? You fighting demons or something

[robust scaffold]

^

[indigo mulch]

I only press 1 and 2 during this fight.

[limber kelp]

ah fair im still hard stuck smolderon so ive only seen the fight in rwf

[candid goblet]

Its called a simile

[balmy condor]

This is always such a deranged take

“People playing want to be weaker”

[raven egret]

that sounds like a problem your guild has, not the class itself

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen flat earthers make more sense

[spark scaffold]

they will nerf the boss before these nerfs go live

100%

they're not that stupid

[indigo mulch]

I'm one of the duck enjoyers. So i have to run around eating pools the entire raid. 😄

[waxen oyster]

i mean

dont they always nerf the endbosses

like 3 weeks in

for the plebs

[robust scaffold]

they nerf every boss

[spark scaffold]

well in this case its a matter of tindral being doable after nerfs

because if nerfs go live and it doesn't see nerfs its 800 pull boss

[waxen oyster]

wasnt it like

[spark scaffold]

i doubt anyone wants to have 800 pulls on not even the end boss

[waxen oyster]

a 400 pull boss

in rwf

[spark scaffold]

yeah, for liquid and echo

was 400-500

[robust scaffold]

"in RWF"

versus

"for the plebs"

[spark scaffold]

there's guilds with 1000 pulls on it, like skyline

[robust scaffold]

wake up homie lol

[waxen oyster]

doesnt skyline

[robust scaffold]

ur own words

[waxen oyster]

brute force every tier

[balmy condor]

Yes

[indigo mulch]

Skyline killed it at 1002 pulls i think

lol

[spark scaffold]

ok, BDG has 820 pulls on it

[balmy condor]

Skyline is brute force, the guild

[waxen oyster]

someone fact check me

on how many pulls were avatar and kj

in tos rwf

[balmy condor]

KJ was first boss over 1000 I think

Was a big headline when the Chinese guilds killed in like 1100

[robust scaffold]

\

[strange python]

welp sub dream is dead

[balmy condor]

What

[strange python]

nerf not big enough to not take execute and 2min burst in current tier

[balmy condor]

Yeah these seem about right to me as well

[balmy condor]

That’s definitely an opinion I guess

[flint tusk]

What is with all the brain damaged people this morning?

[balmy condor]

Gonna assume no coffee yet

[waxen oyster]

yeah kj like a 600 pull boss

for rwf

it was also bugged

psure

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[strange python]

its the raid spec i yeild

[balmy condor]

Tf is a “raid spec”

[runic hinge]

It’s not the pvp spec

[waxen oyster]

sin is prob still best PI target

[runic hinge]

That’s for sure

[waxen oyster]

and if it is your raid trolling not giving you it

[strange python]

high burst st, best at utilizing externals, execute

[balmy condor]

They played sub in race multiple times

I don’t get it

Play sub if you want to play sub

[waxen oyster]

kush even played acro early pulls

[balmy condor]

Who’s stopping you

[waxen oyster]

because he said damage didnt matter

early on

[strange python]

im too lazy to do multi spec

so i guess me stopping me

[blazing plaza]

is this bad ? 😦

[balmy condor]

Are you lost

[waxen oyster]

wrong channel but yes

bte is supposed to be above

[blazing plaza]

oh sry

[robust scaffold]

the tier lists that tell him sub isnt as good LMFAO

[blazing plaza]

wrong channel

[runic hinge]

Where deadly poison

[upper spear]

did u shiv the start and finishj of blade flurry

[balmy condor]

Fair enough, killing your own sub dream I guess

[rotund oak]

its 15% lul

[raven egret]

15% but yes, pins

[south wing]

[bronze pike]

Huge pin

[earnest remnant]

gonna play Assa on tindral, cant wait for the questions

[indigo mulch]

Didnt BM hunter get way shafted than we did?

lol

[still steppe]

just put on boss dmg on details

[still steppe]

[south wing]

stolen from earlier srry

[earnest remnant]

dont need to do that, im still gonna be top 1-4

[balmy condor]

Play outlaw on tindral, and then don’t hit blade flurry because you’re funneling single target and blade flurry is capped anyway so no point to cast it on roots

That’s the real strat

[rotund oak]

ive bought 10 large pizza's,already ont eh freezer.Cant wait to see sub and assa tech :3

[balmy condor]

That 3% havoc nerf yeah

[waxen oyster]

sub isnt even bad

[indigo mulch]

I think the havoc nerf was more target towards m+ than raid

[red cloak]

besides that I probably need to press envenom more and keep caustic up more for sure, does this look relatively normal for m+?

[indigo mulch]

DH's arent even that op in raids if you ask me

[waxen oyster]

honestly how much will havoc nerfs matter if they can just

play another build

[balmy condor]

Aside from the awful caustic/tier looks fine yeah

[red cloak]

just started like a day or two ago

I only have 2 set

[slim pebble]

Branch makes our opener feel like I snorted crack and I’m here for it

[waxen oyster]

i still dont have branch

[rotund oak]

[waxen oyster]

im killing bosses with snek trinket

[red cloak]

yeah once I saw caustic I was like oh... yeah I need to do that more lol

[rotund oak]

way too much CT my man

[cursive owl]

Sim yourself before you wreck yourself

[waxen oyster]

dh i find it hilarious they have a build for people who dont wanna use mobility

for dps

[red cloak]

really? alright good to know. I felt like maybe that was it cuz I know CT is really good now but not that good lol

[red cloak]

I personally dont like using movement for dps

[fervent jasper]

I don't understand why my damage is so low. This was a TIMED +22 Waycrest. I did everything by the books

[still steppe]

cause you're against bm and dh

LOL

[raven egret]

I mean you are vs the kings of M+ right now

[waxen oyster]

if you did everything by the books i doubt

[rotund oak]

in big pulls and stuff u go garrotex2 into rupture into fan=>ct and then spam envenoms and mut,onl refresh if ct about to expire

[raven egret]

like.... Sin is good, but not THAT good in M+

[rotund oak]

if u get externals

[red cloak]

oh... so not spamming FoK and CT lol im dumb mb

[rotund oak]

its rly better than everything else

[fervent jasper]

I thought it was comprable to Outlaw?

[rotund oak]

yeah, 2p and 4p enables us to mutilate for aoe

we kinda fok for ct

and if/or low energy and stuff runs out

[solemn echo]

Their damage is pretty front loaded. No way you can get full value on dm/kb with those two in group lol

[rotund oak]

also,u can finish in 4cps

[flint tusk]

That’s equivalent of spamming rupture

[red cloak]

okay so I was right the first few times then I thought I wasnt using enough FoK and CT bc of what I read on wowhead

[waxen oyster]

yeah in that comp outlaw is probs better

[red cloak]

idk what you mean can u explain

[rotund oak]

outlaw is basicly better for cleave

[red cloak]

nvm

I got it now

[red cloak]

even with deeper strat 4cp envenom is ok?

[cursive owl]

quick take on Parses, if i only can get green and blue logs, regardless of ilvl parse or total, does it mean anything ? like do i press buttons wrong LUL ? i am checking logs from last raid cand i do see some small fails but not that big of a deal 😒

[red cloak]

or 4cp finishers in general

[rotund oak]

the guide says we finish 4cp+ so ye

[waxen oyster]

needs more context

[red cloak]

okay I wasnt sure if deeper strat changed it to 5

[cursive owl]

OwO

[waxen oyster]

heroic

[cursive owl]

wdym D:

[raven egret]

Logs will depend on so many contextual things

[waxen oyster]

mythic

gear?

comp

[raven egret]

what strat your guild is using, mechanics handling, etc etc

[cursive owl]

OH

uh

nhc

xD

[waxen oyster]

normal?

[rotund oak]

lfr

[waxen oyster]

if you dont kill the boss in like 2mins you probs arent gonna parse

in normal

[cursive owl]

i see

OK

[faint path]

Its good asf for m+ literally

[waxen oyster]

ehh in a comp like that outlaw would have better overalls

since your damage is more frontloaded

[faint path]

Meh outlow rng based boring to play ngl

[rotund oak]

wdym rng bro

[waxen oyster]

i mean crackshot is rng

thats basically it

[rotund oak]

yeah crackshot is the only rng at this point

[raven egret]

Yes, but with a BM and a DH you wont be beating them unless they sleep at their keyboards or something. Outlaw is more consistant pull to pull depending how the M+ is pulled

[rotund oak]

but there are so many windows to use it which pretty much becomes a routive to prss

outlaw isnt rly that rng as ppl think

[waxen oyster]

like anyone who says

rtb is beyond uninformed

[rotund oak]

right now,u can pretty much have 4 buffs all the time

unless u miss play

[waxen oyster]

even in s1 when people complained about rtb and the real rng was actually

[cursive owl]

i gues, for me wowanalyzer is a good take i gues

[waxen oyster]

ss/ambush double hitting

[lofty junco]

whats with utilitarian?

[waxen oyster]

who plays utilitarian

[winter gale]

Taking all 3 orbs of branch passively vs 1/1/7 is big loss?

[lofty junco]

who plays sub?^^

[waxen oyster]

i dont rn

[winter gale]

That ‘avoiding mechanic’ is annoying 😂

[waxen oyster]

i play whatever's good

one tricks on a multi dps spec class are weird

[delicate hemlock]

im guessing you just use Ashes if you dont wanna game the branch buff

sims like 1% behind for me and you just macro it to DM

[raven egret]

I'm partial to whatever is the most fun for me, and right now thats sin

[waxen oyster]

yes

[waxen oyster]

i enjoy all 3 reworks tbf

[winter gale]

Ashes should be macroed to KB

[waxen oyster]

i just default playing outlaw in pugs

so i dont get triggered as hard by bad tanks

[winter gale]

Macroing it to DM was my mistake that community here corrected*

[delicate hemlock]

ooh thank you

[cursive owl]

OK thanks

analyzer did told me im good to go °^° 97% uptime on rupture and pandemic use, also 90% eff on cooldowns, here or there some "i should have used it because boss dies anyway and kb is not up" sitiuations , but overall no mistakes :3 im glad ^-^

[loud hearth]

I thought you were meant to press ashes 1-2 sec AFTER Kinsgbane

[fathom citrus]

Wowanalyzer is saying it isnt updated for 10.2. Should i even look at that?

[cursive owl]

i would look at it anyway

[waxen oyster]

it said to env at 5+

lol

[red cloak]

gonna go cry now

[limber lion]

Also cd usage quite a bit different now than in 10.1

[agile gull]

Why would you multilate besides keeping spatter up?

[limber lion]

Would not recommend blindly following wowa

[cursive owl]

yes UwU but it gives some nice info 😄

[waxen oyster]

so does wcl

[cursive owl]

like garrote uptime and in the clipping extra dmg window no O-o ?

[rotund oak]

for keeping spatter up

[balmy condor]

Ashes should be used 3 seconds into kingsbane

[glad vapor]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red cloak]

just for uptime or as primary generator?

[rotund oak]

depends ur energy rly

and ur cps ofc

[red cloak]

CT on single target?

[rotund oak]

we talk about aoe

dont press ct for st

[cursive owl]

primary generator in aoe is fan

[red cloak]

yeah but on bosses during the dungeons

[rotund oak]

no

[limber lion]

Never press ct in st

[faint path]

guys whats ur haste as %?

[red cloak]

yeah that's what I thought but I guess there is a little nuance to it

[limber lion]

Something between 0-50%

[cursive owl]

u use mutilate once every 10 sec for spatter, rest of time is fan

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

[still steppe]

i think the breakpoint is around 20%

[limber lion]

No

[rotund oak]

😂

[limber lion]

There is no breakpoints

[faint path]

Just fucking answer Im asking normal question always some dumbs saying '' 0-50, wtf whats that question '' jesus fucking christ

[still steppe]

does it not matter at all? when i go below 20 i feel energy starved

[limber lion]

I did

Doesn't matter

[red cloak]

lmao holyyyy

[limber lion]

I couldn't tell you

[faint path]

Same thats why I asked

[limber lion]

I don't know

[still steppe]

or isit some placebo effect

idk

[limber lion]

I don't look at it at all

Literally does not mattwr

[red cloak]

I have 1.72% haste and I feel fine now

[limber lion]

No, that's jusy placebo

[rotund oak]

just sim urself with haste pieces and gems

[limber lion]

Assassination is meant to be a slower spec

I literally have no idea what any of my stats look like

[waxen oyster]

where do people get this 20% copium from

LMFAO

[cursive owl]

this stat topic is realy old 😄 regards the big brains in here the stat priority or anything else isnt important, overall stats does matter , just get more of everything, no stat is " realy" far behind, there simply just equal in most of cases

[limber lion]

I just sim top gear and use whatever the robot tells me

Could be 0%

Could be 50%

[waxen oyster]

this

[limber lion]

No clue

[rotund oak]

but but my energy and atk speed and my bleeds tick faster

[waxen oyster]

yeah

my 2 more energy per second

is why im not starved

[forest notch]

trinkets insaneeee

[rotund oak]

and ppl think about ''in 10 secs'' i have to press like 3 foks and press 2 envenoms

[cursive owl]

imagine , pooling would be a thing Kappa

[forest notch]

I neeed lol

[rotund oak]

gg find that energy first

[red cloak]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[cursive owl]

yes

[arctic current]

How bad is the KB/ashes macro? Im lazy...

[waxen oyster]

i mean in aoe you have infinite energy

due to multiple bleeds

[red cloak]

oh no wonder I wasnt dying for it lol

I forgot about that

venom rush?

[limber lion]

Definitely would not recommend it

[red cloak]

venomous wounds and venom rush

wow is it even worth it

venom rush

[waxen oyster]

i kind of want more haste in my sin gear just so i dont have to play double wafting

[forest notch]

Do I have to chase these down? or do they just come ot me (I dont have yet, just curious)

[waxen oyster]

for multispec

[real stirrup]

just had a DH do 2.5 million a +21 Galak opener wtf man

[red cloak]

or is it just better than flying daggers

[arctic current]

Fine fine macro gone lol

[mystic osprey]

rip sin guys

its all over

[waxen oyster]

ok what did he end the key at

[rotund oak]

[mystic osprey]

no more damage ever again 😢

[waxen oyster]

people really be staring at their dps meters

[limber lion]

They slowly come to you

[waxen oyster]

mid pull

[rotund oak]

im going sub's way

[limber lion]

Pick up 2 instantly and then run away from the 3rd one

[rotund oak]

love whispar and all but cev;s doesnt give his logs and stealthi is a hype

[forest notch]

so it prolongs the buff?

and hits at end of KB?

[limber lion]

Yes and stacks

[waxen oyster]

wait do the orbs naturally come your way

[limber lion]

Slowly yes

[rotund oak]

yeah

[forest notch]

Are they obvious?

[limber lion]

Yeh

[rotund oak]

kinda

[real stirrup]

we didnt finish it but 320k

[forest notch]

like easy to see

[waxen oyster]

we didnt finish

[real stirrup]

which was 100k over mine

[waxen oyster]

so uhh

[limber lion]

You can use a weakaura to help wiyh it as well

[waxen oyster]

irrelevant

[still steppe]

they are super obvious along with the 8 other melee specs that uses branch

[limber lion]

Lisonna has a good one

[still steppe]

[real stirrup]

irrelevant? interesting choice of words for facts that happened, finished or not finished

[waxen oyster]

i can go into a low pug key

blow a big opener

then leave

what does that say

[rotund oak]

u r an @ss

lul

[real stirrup]

point is that DH is doing more dps by quite a margin than Assassin

[waxen oyster]

than everyone

you mean

[frigid cedar]

not really if you would watch high key levels

[real stirrup]

specifically by the class that I play which is Assassin yeah

[waxen oyster]

dhs do better at lower key levels

[still steppe]

yeah in higher keys where your bleed actually has time to tick you really arent far off

[mighty nexus]

the only time i get blown out by DHs is if the pulls die quick, longer pulls = sin big dps

[real stirrup]

is 21 a low key?

[mighty nexus]

subjective

[limber lion]

Kinda

[waxen oyster]

idk nothing except big mobs live a kb

[real stirrup]

subjective?

[waxen oyster]

so imo yes

[limber lion]

The tuning is a bit whack in m+

[real stirrup]

i dont think 21 is a low key but sure call it subjective

[limber lion]

I did 21+2 BRH with 450 ilvl

[frigid cedar]

i was watching a lot of zerocool streams he is doing the same damage as DH with pi on keys on 25+

[mighty nexus]

it literally is subjective lmao

relax

[earnest remnant]

hm

[real stirrup]

its ok bud I agree to disagree

no biggy

[waxen oyster]

?

[limber lion]

hm

[waxen oyster]

you said i dont think

which is an opinion

[real stirrup]

numbers arent opinions?

[mighty nexus]

you don't think they're low, other people do think they're low. That's literally subjective.

[waxen oyster]

idk to mdi players 21 is low

[real stirrup]

even though I said "I don't think" which I think is just a human way of saying some words

[waxen oyster]

for example

to random wow casuals a 10 is hard

[real stirrup]

Like I said you can call it subjective I agree to disagree 🙂

[mighty nexus]

you can be wrong, that's okay.

[earnest remnant]

i deadass thought it was gonna be more

[limber lion]

There is nothing to disagree about

That's literally what subjectivity means

[real stirrup]

sure there is haha

[limber lion]

I think it's a languagr barrier

[real stirrup]

ty for defining subjectivity

[limber lion]

Where are you from?

[real stirrup]

The internet?

[still steppe]

thanks stealthi making that macro right now i'll take the 0.1% loss

[mighty nexus]

idk, english is my second and it's pretty clear to me what it means

[real stirrup]

same as you

[limber lion]

Doubt it's an english speaking country

[real stirrup]

haha

[south wing]

haha

[real stirrup]

A slightly inferior country I assume

[mighty nexus]

haha

[limber lion]

Well I'm not from an English speakinh country either

[real stirrup]

you dont say?

[limber lion]

But I still understand subjectivity

[mighty nexus]

my brother in christ, just take your L and move on lmao

[real stirrup]

it's very nice to define subjectivity to prove a point

[limber lion]

You're weird

[real stirrup]

let me have my moment sir!

[empty timber]

Hey guys, how can i allow the Luxthos WA to stay there when i vanish but to not show when the fight actually end ?

[real stirrup]

I've been doing all these low keys and I need to vent

[limber lion]

I think +21 is low, you think it's high

Thus it's subjective

That's it, move on

[real stirrup]

Again thank you for that input yes lets move forward

[mighty nexus]

[spark rain]

Probably have to go to triggers the turn on keep while alive

[limber lion]

Uhm don't think so really. The only time that should happen is outdoors because combat ends when you vanish

Shouldn't happen in raid/mythic+

[thick briar]

when do we pop witherbarks branch? On deathmark i presume?

[mighty nexus]

ye

[thick briar]

A macro it is

[mighty nexus]

keybinding your trinkets to a race car floor pedal is the new meta, im telling y'all

[waxen oyster]

i still have 2 on use binds for all 3 specs

out of habit

[rotund oak]

ur outlaw is too strong in you my man

[waxen oyster]

sub was stuck playing double on use

a few tiers too

[rotund oak]

true and real

[waxen oyster]

like

[waxen rose]

Yo so how much loss (in %) nerfs will cost us? Overall at raids and m+?

[waxen oyster]

when sub was playing halondrus trinket and chains

holy fk get me out

[still steppe]

give me my boon and grieftorch back

[mighty nexus]

check pinned messages on this channel

[limber lion]

Pins

[waxen rose]

Ok thanks!

[waxen oyster]

torch comes back next season

boon can

suck me from the back

[still steppe]

HAHHAH it was pretty nice on m raz

[waxen oyster]

until you timed it wrong one pull

and stuck rooted as you had to move

[torn atlas]

I've got guildies doing 22s already who weren't even doing that at the end of S2. There are some keys that are much harder than others at the same key level.
"I feel" is also the very definition of subjective data.

[still steppe]

cant count the amount of deaths i had using boon to pad on intermission adds and died to breath

[strange python]

boon beacon double on use bis next tier

[still steppe]

but it was worth it

[wild marsh]

i have sometimes in key an overall dmg problem compared to other dds... now with the nerfs it would be lil bit harder so often targets die without running DM and KB for the full duration :/

[waxen oyster]

good thing cloak is same cd

right

[still steppe]

true

[limber lion]

I mean in a situation where your kb drops early anyways is where the nerfs matter very little or 0

[wild marsh]

xD

[limber lion]

Basically the same damage

[waxen oyster]

i just play outlaw in keys i cant get good kb value

[real stirrup]

I mean the point wasn't even about subjectivity in the first place - which I don't really want to regurgitate back up right now. If you take a look my point was about something else which was answered now. So again thank you all for your definitions of a word, nice to see some Oxford-tier dictionary boffins in here.

[waxen oyster]

?

You know that convo literally came up because you asked a subjective question.

[real stirrup]

sigh

That is correct Xiani

[serene hinge]

trying to learn assa right now and kind of confused with envenom usage. might be overthinking it but we just send it at 4cp now all the time? or just in kb? and do we always wait til the last second of envenom debuff to cast again? just sit there and pool otherwise?

[limber lion]

Yeaah some dungeons are better than others for kb usage, sometimes end up sitting on it for a while

[mighty nexus]

4cp all the time, don't pool inside KB windows

[serene hinge]

oh in kb it's just rapid fire, ok that makes way more sense

[limber lion]

Yeah, outside of cds pool and chain envenoms at 4+. Otherwise send

[serene hinge]

got it got it

[limber lion]

Shiv being a cd as well

[serene hinge]

thanks guys lmao

[vagrant tapir]

the only time you dont finish on 4cp is the envenom before Deathmark

thats 5cp+

[fickle viper]

if ur not energy starved, is it wrong to send a muti at 4cp and go to 6cp (assumin you clip envenom either way)

[vagrant tapir]

cause you want the extra second on envenoms buff so it doesnt drop

[limber lion]

It is

You do not forcefully go to 5-6cp

That's one extra Mutilate that could be used for the next Envenom instead

So half a 4p tier proc

[mighty nexus]

4 is the magic number, it's mathematically the most efficient use of cp

[waxen oyster]

sometimes my monke brain doesnt like rupturing at 4

idk why

[vagrant tapir]

it has a higher likelihood of wasting CP than it doesnt

[serene hinge]

yeah just sending at 4cp feels so wrong every time i hit it lol

[vagrant tapir]

so it's a less efficient use of the energy for that mutilate

[fickle viper]

the only issue with 4cp envenom is that sometimes if you also have to refresh garr/rup you end up not being able to clip the next envenom

[mighty nexus]

that's why i try to keep my dots staggered, so i never have to refresh in the same time

[plain onyx]

What talent can i take if i want to drop deeper ?

[marble hemlock]

Still love the name rad

[fickle viper]

amen to that

lovely lady

[vagrant tapir]

stjern xD

[fickle viper]

rerolled to the dark side (rogue) from the other dark side (lock)

[vagrant tapir]

looong time since i've seen him

[tropic tundra]

[red cloak]

so if you have 1 choose between garrote/rupture refresh and chain envenom for 4 piece you choose envenom and just refresh after?

[fickle viper]

@fiery flower miss you

[limber lion]

But that's what the long pandemic is for. Should be able to do env muti rup muti muti env before it drops.

[marble hemlock]

Why would you reroll from a buffed class to a nerfed one

[indigo mulch]

[limber lion]

Again, you have 7s to refresh rupture because of pandemic

There's no rush

[mighty nexus]

if you have 4p, it's worth it to keep envenom chain up and refresh dots

[red cloak]

copy

sorry I know some of this shit is common sense but I just started sin like 2 days ago lol my bad

[limber lion]

All g

[mighty nexus]

you're good homie, theres def a learning curve

[waxen oyster]

tbh sometimes i think part of it

[fickle viper]

@marble hemlock how happy are you that sin is blasting

[waxen oyster]

is from older sin variants where ruptures were much bigger

[red cloak]

I took my +2 to a +13 with only sin back to back all the way up to get . feel for it

[marble hemlock]

I'm not a very happy person in general.

[tropic tundra]

Sin m+ is so fun this season

[marble hemlock]

And idk about blasting, when most of it is propped up by Aug/pi

[earnest remnant]

comes with being german i suppose

[waxen oyster]

nerfs now rogue dead

time to reroll ww

[marble hemlock]

Go back into your trash can, trash panda

[fickle viper]

yeah welcome to last tier demo when everyone was amazed at the insane demo damage that had nothing to do with external buffs

[red cloak]

dude I took my sub pvp talents on accident on a dungeon and I still beat everyone it was a +2 but still

[earnest remnant]

I NEVER LEFT IT

jokes on you old man

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gif-19709032

[fickle viper]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-stealing-gif-19084597

[red cloak]

why do you have a gif of my dog

[tropic tundra]

lmao

[marble hemlock]

Nah but the real talk is that I very much do not enjoy that assa turned into a burst CD spec. But it is what it is.

[earnest remnant]

why do you have dog of my gif?

[red cloak]

he was born that way, unfortunately.

[waxen oyster]

know what i need back

font coral assa

[fickle viper]

Selipirate when?

[waxen oyster]

jk fuck that

[torn atlas]

That's the real Secret Technique right there.

[marble hemlock]

Life/wow was simpler before they added massive burst CDs to almost every spec

[red cloak]

tbh sectech really did top my meters I checked

[tropic tundra]

[waxen oyster]

then theres outlaw

up?

press

[tropic tundra]

I like the ‘modern’ wow much better

[marble hemlock]

I prefer playing rogue so no outlaw for me

[tropic tundra]

Respect the classic guys tho

[waxen oyster]

not the biggest fan of

[red cloak]

I just bursted the bosses or highest hp mobs as if they were a ret paladin on forbearance and I beat everyone

[waxen oyster]

the 10000 weakauras people play with

[mighty nexus]

ye, modern WoW #1 imo

[marble hemlock]

.8sec gcd shouldn't exist

[fickle viper]

aah ye carpal tunnel simulator

[mighty nexus]

I went to play classic with a friend a few months ago and I had no idea what to do with my hands bc it was so simple

[fickle viper]

if you like classic gameplay go paly destro lock on retail rn

its basically classic

no meaningful interactions in your kit just press buttons that you like

[red cloak]

I heard rets are crying for buffs again already

[viral spire]

so after the nerfs, how would our burst compare to sub?

[thorny aurora]

All 3 specs are great, the only bad thing is having to farm 3 different gear sets to play them all 😦

[red cloak]

I’m literally using half sub pvp gear and shredding lol

[waxen oyster]

vers mast is good for sub

[tropic tundra]

Stats good

[waxen oyster]

tbh sin has no bad stats

[tropic tundra]

Bc good spec

[red cloak]

yeah but I’m using it for sin m+ runs lol

[viral spire]

vers maybe

[waxen oyster]

no

[viral spire]

but still it has value

[mighty nexus]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[red cloak]

I have 28% vers right now with my sin gear that’s half sub pvp lol

[tropic tundra]

Sometimes we just have to recognize that this is not diablo

[thorny aurora]

Sure you still can play but still feels bad!

[waxen oyster]

bad to me is like haste for rogue in legion

[viral spire]

well rotation is much more impactful than stats

[waxen oyster]

when you opened your weekly chest to haste jewelry

and its still a dps loss with 40 ilvl

[normal mist]

The real question is: WHERE'S RH DISCORD PFP SANTA HAT?

[red cloak]

wrong, play low haste fdk and tell me you don’t think your game is lagging

[viral spire]

i remember last season i had -24 haste

[still steppe]

i mean last season my sub had 0 haste unless i put on the sark cape

[viral spire]

for rogue*

[waxen oyster]

it was negative because slime boots

[tropic tundra]

Haste didnt even show up in character status

That was so fun

[red cloak]

lmfao same I had literally 0 haste, ZERO and it was amazing

[viral spire]

obviously some specs require certain breakpoints for stats to be playable

[shell summit]

Rogue still freakin insane i suppose? 4.4% aint gonna change that much right?

[waxen oyster]

do they?

[tropic tundra]

Mostly casters for smoother rotation

[red cloak]

now I have 1.72% haste 😭

[mighty nexus]

No, rogue still go brrt

[tropic tundra]

And tanks maybe

[waxen oyster]

some people throw around 20% haste for rogue as cope

[tropic tundra]

[shell summit]

great too hear that, gonna continue gearing my alt rogue then

[red cloak]

the idea of getting haste, even if it’s a good stat now, still grosses me out

[waxen oyster]

i think theres been points for dh where certain haste values got another deathsweep

[red cloak]

I remember that

[tropic tundra]

But thats all just included in sim decision

[waxen oyster]

ww was funny

mfs had a whole ass spreadsheet

on their kyrian ability

[still steppe]

bring back ignore mastery spin to win ww

[waxen oyster]

oh

hell no

[still steppe]

my spinning crane kick was bounded to mousewheel up and down

HAHHAHA

[waxen oyster]

necro ww

[tropic tundra]

They have the most perfect skillset. Thats why they’re just changing numbers

Heard spamming spin kick is not right in df

But yeah necro thing was fun

[waxen oyster]

i've had my monk since wod

i logged into it in s2 of sl

[still steppe]

idk i havent heard from a ww ever since last tier

[tropic tundra]

Was it good then

[still steppe]

[waxen oyster]

bonked some kids on the dome to 2.4 in pvp

and was like

wtf did they do

to my class

[tropic tundra]

I’m glad mistweavers are doing well

[still steppe]

throw down brew sef and spin

everyone within 5 yards dies

[waxen oyster]

i also trolled and played serenity like twice

if bdb procced on first rsk

welp man's dead insta

idk dance of chiji was an abomination

then they gave sub something similar with their s3 tier

[tropic tundra]

Pew pew

[waxen oyster]

idk about now

i saw that wws effectively have rune of power

as a melee

yet mages lost theirs

[tropic tundra]

Personally I liked the rune of power

[waxen oyster]

i mean i remember in mop

when it didnt auto drop on your cds

and it was actually something you had to stand in all the time for arcane

[tropic tundra]

Yeah it was probably 9.0 change

Can they move around bit more freely now?

[waxen oyster]

got axed entirely

[tropic tundra]

[fathom citrus]

I feel like i do way less damage in st as i should be doing compared to other sin rogues on the same ilvl. But i just cant find out what im doing wrong, someone have time and wants to take a quick look at my log? Or is it just because i dont have a tier set?

[waxen oyster]

not having tier isnt doing you favors

[fathom citrus]

for sure, got unlucky and got only 1 piece so far

[velvet robin]

You can catalyse 2 tier pieces

[waxen oyster]

you can pick up old t30 at 450 ilvl

too

[fathom citrus]

But burst with only about 350k seems way to little in comparison.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LGwnfkQK2mNYP9Az#fight=16&type=damage-done&source=2&translate=true

[waxen oyster]

from weekly timerift/dreamsurge

[fathom citrus]

I could change 2 pieces to tier set but if i get a drop then i would be mad

[balmy condor]

No pi

[fathom citrus]

yep no pi