assassination

[cursive frost]

This raid is the easiest this expansion on heroic

[unique sorrel]

im sorry for your loss

eh

fyrakk has been funky in PUGs

[cursive frost]

I can’t comment on mythic until I get to last two

[arctic socket]

Don’t mention fyrakk and pugs

[strange python]

i joined one h fryakk pug...sat for 20 mins while group filled. Comes to realize the leader accidentally listed H instead of N

[arctic socket]

In the same sentence please

[cursive frost]

But first 4 have been laughable

[unique sorrel]

Gnarl/Igara/Volcaros were all pretty easy for mythic bosses

Council is just a clusterfuck

and you send two people to duck jail

[cursive frost]

Nymue looks fun

Larry is annoying

[unique sorrel]

also, i have realized im so fuckin' dependent on the plater recolor script for dots now

instead of just looking at debuffs

monkey brain can only see colors

[thorn fjord]

Hey man the less you gotta think while playing the better you play

amirite?

[unique sorrel]

head empty = numbrs go up

[slate crown]

This is true.

[cerulean nest]

lmao

[woeful wigeon]

where do we set up that details for dmg when stealted creeating all the time dummies

[subtle kiln]

scripts

there’s an overall setting there

[quick flint]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[rapid meteor]

can anyone explain why CT should be applied so late? i know this has been asked before and i've seen the reason being "it turbo fucks spatter". idk really what that means, as in how that interaction works. is it only on using DM that CT is applied last and we apply CT rather early on a pack that i won't have cds for?

[south wing]

I think it’s damage is just low priority compared to all the setup you want to do first for spatter

[slate crown]

CT does not generate energy like Rupture / Garrote do

And if you take sanguine (which you are ify ou're taking any standard builds) CT will start to drain your energy

Because unlike Rupture/Garrote, it doesn't benefit from VW

So you need to get a healthy supply of rupture/garrote out first so you have energy saturation

[rapid meteor]

right ofc, so on a pull w no cds CT is maybe like my 4th or 5th global

[tall jay]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic socket]

When do we spend points on ct during a boss? I have just kinda been ignoring it

[unique sorrel]

fairly sure you never cast it in ST

[spice surge]

on a singletarget boss? Never

[dark token]

on a raid boss? never

[tame tangle]

on a world boss? cd

[velvet ridge]

ill admit, i cast it on waycrest witch trio

[arctic socket]

Alright so I have been doing the right thing ignoring it like the middle child on boss fights

[rapid meteor]

sarcasm aside, do you actually maintain garrote/rupture on the small ones?

[velvet ridge]

vanish/shadow dance is usually enough for me

[arctic socket]

On the witches I like to have two garroted / ruptured for the energy

[dark token]

i think only rupture is worth

for scent of blood

[arctic socket]

With how fast the boss phase tho well orb swap I don’t think you needa do anything special

[plain onyx]

guys, during KB window do I use both shivs one after the other ? (of course not both at the same time)

[south wing]

when else would you use them

honest question

[arctic socket]

You apply the second shiv after the first one falls off

[lime crypt]

how do you have so much mastery

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1081428606141612052.gif?size=48&name=Cry&quality=lossless

[plain onyx]

exactly, thanks a lot

[arctic socket]

You also use a charge of thistle tea when kb has 5.99 seconds left

[lofty junco]

Another rise key wasted cause my Internet got cut while bossfight....

[unique sorrel]

🙂

[harsh anchor]

That's good though isn't it because it amps the damage on the main witch from the other 2

[unique sorrel]

me when mastery

i prob have a bit too much

considering i have branch

[arctic socket]

I have a shitty 428 neck

Yall lucky

[unique sorrel]

i ripped it in a pug too

[south wing]

[harsh anchor]

Do the dreamsurge and upgrade a neck to 450

[south wing]

man’s actual master assassin

[unique sorrel]

i prob need to go more crit so coiled serpant gets more value

[vale mortar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[arctic socket]

I rolled a 88 on a herioc one, then a bm hunter rolled a 89 🙂

[unique sorrel]

my penance was my waaaaay more casual brother and buddy getting 4pc in box week 2

had to rat out in week 3

[arctic socket]

One of the officers in my guild got mad at me for rolling on herioc gloves tier and winning he wanted to replace his normal, instead of giving me a 4p

[unique sorrel]

our guild only gave out 1 tier token per person week 1 so that in theory everyone could have 4pc assured week 3

[royal lantern]

just get your KB parried mate

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[south wing]

that’s not funny

[royal lantern]

trust me

i know

[summer light]

Hello, new to assassination here. Is it beneficial to macro Kingsbane and Dance together?

[slate crown]

In terms of output it's not more beneficial than just pushing the two abilities in sequence

But a macro with both of them is pretty common, lots of people use one

[unique sorrel]

ive got em macro'd, but i also have a button for dance in case i need it for w/e reason

[slate crown]

If you're asking if it's safe to bind them together, in most situations, the answer is yes. The caveats come in with M+ if you are starting to decide between using dance to spread bleeds only vs using it on KB.

[summer light]

Ahhh gotcha

[unique sorrel]

honestly even in M+ you can use it to spread bleeds WHILE setting up your KB

[slate crown]

I mean technically if you're really in tune with your GCD

[thorn fjord]

So is this the unofficial KB parried meme?

[slate crown]

You can macro them together

and Just know when to time pressing the button

Like, weave dance as an off-gcd while you know your GCD is rolling from something else when you want to press it and you know KB won't be cast with it

[thorn fjord]

I started to become more cognizant of the envenom refreshes

[slate crown]

Which is risky but, I'm sure some could make that work if you really want to save the button

I just have 2 buttons

[thorn fjord]

Not holding till 1s Everytime but not letting it drop

Saw noticeable improvement

[summer light]

So for brand new assassination player im safe to bind both, I won't be reinforcing any horrible habbits right?

[thorn fjord]

If I’m having really good rng it feels great

[swift magnet]

from where are the IC replicated garrotes/rupt are applied? from the target or the player position?

[thorn fjord]

Right especially if you’re mainly raiding with sin

In raid the macro shouldn’t screw you up at all @summer light

[summer light]

Okay cool, and in M+ it could be situationally beneficial to have a button for both

[thorn fjord]

Correct

[summer light]

Awesome, tysm!!

[thorn fjord]

Cheers!

[orchid wind]

any1 got a good Caustic spatter weak aura ? got one but it doesn't show a timer on it. dunno if i can add a timer to it

[unique sorrel]

this was my big-brain moment as well

[past forum]

anyone got a dh alt they want to insta loot double time on? seems like i have a curse where if i run fall with a dh they get double time and i'm sit here with my m0 nick

[thorn fjord]

I have the evangelion theme song stuck in my head

[slate crown]

You can add a timer to any WA you have.

[unique sorrel]

i use a plater recoloring mod for mine tbh

[slim hamlet]

It's the unofficial rogue experience meme

[orchid wind]

may i know how ?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dancing-kid-child-gif-8702504

Naaah this is the current rogue experience

[slim hamlet]

5th december

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[thorn fjord]

Dh gonna get all the hate bb

Believe and achieve

[slate crown]

Easiest way is to go to the display tab, go to the Swipe Overlay Settings, and make sure "Hide Timer Text" is Unchecked.

Blizzard's default UI will try to add timers to most icons, if you don't have other addons getting in the way, this will now show a timer.

[thorn fjord]

Worst case scenario we end up rolling sub

Not the end of the world

[slim pebble]

What if we just ask Realz real nice not to nerf us

[thorn fjord]

Send him naughty pics

[slim pebble]

What if I send him kitten pics

[unique sorrel]

we're only what? 5-7% ahead?

[thorn fjord]

That could work too

[unique sorrel]

and thats assuming you get PI + ench + aug?

[thorn fjord]

The PI aug thing is the issue

[slate crown]

The other way is to create a Text element by scrolling down to the bottom and clicking Add Text, then configure the text to show you the Progress of the aura by setting the text to %p.

[past forum]

someone @ him in the cats of assa thread, surely his heart will be filled with too much joy to let them nerf

[orchid wind]

nice ^^ thanks

[orchid wind]

no that worked perfect. thank you

[gaunt sigil]

There are just too many externals now with PI Aug and WFT

[strange python]

"stack em on the assassination" - so that way they get nerfed and suck without em

[proven jasper]

I think we’re what, upper mid tier dps without all the simp?

[unique sorrel]

WF goes brrrrrt, second bess pick

[gaunt sigil]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

You could be like me and have the biggest stoner playing priest

[unique sorrel]

PI goes brrrt, best pick

[thorn fjord]

And have a bunch of missed PIs

Or unaligned PIs even tho you macrod

[unique sorrel]

my RL keeps giving the udk PI and im going to scream

[strange python]

nothing wrong with that bruh

[proven jasper]

Yeah it really is all the externals doing it jesus

[gaunt sigil]

My Priest has a giant WA that flashes when I press DM

[strange python]

If I lived in a place where that was legal

...

erry day

[thorn fjord]

Bro he always misses my PIs even with my macro lol and I spam that shit

[proven jasper]

You could be me the big stoner playing assa

[thorn fjord]

I’ll get the PI like half way through KB

[strange python]

[thorn fjord]

I am the big stoner playing assassin

[strange python]

You could make him a /wa - that when he gets whispered BY YOU (with a specific phrase) - his shit lights up

[unique sorrel]

im just hoping that w/e they do to nerf sin a bit does NOT touch how fun they feel in M+

[thorn fjord]

But I’m a functioning pot hesd

[unique sorrel]

idc if i get smacked in raid a bit

[proven jasper]

Based

same LMAO

[unique sorrel]

i just wanna play M+ sin

[thorn fjord]

I was considering that but I’m no good at making WA

[strange python]

This'll be me if it becomes legal here - or i move 4 miles up the road (where it is legal)

[thorn fjord]

I still buy my weed illegally

Better quality and it’s cheaper

[strange python]

it's actually cheaper on the black market? wtf

i guess no taxes does that?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah the homies got that connect

Nah the dispensary prices are pretty inflated out here

[tame tangle]

very much so lol

and much better

[strange python]

jeez

[thorn fjord]

I get a half zip of FIRE for $100

[strange python]

i know in some states you can grow your own

[gaunt sigil]

Idk if I’m the only one, but I’m scared that Assa is gonna get unholy treatment

[strange python]

I've always been into indoor plants, but never that - but i bet i'd be good at it

[gaunt sigil]

Gonna be trash without all the externals

[thorn fjord]

We’re still higher in the pack without externals but that would def bring us back in line with the rest of the dps

[strange python]

99% chance I'm still playing sin (if they do get nerfed).
1% chance i switch to sub
0.5% chance i switch to outlaw

0.5% margin of error

[limber lion]

good maths there

[thorn fjord]

Im ok with swapping to sub tbh

[strange python]

thanks bruh

[reef frigate]

https://wago.io/f5SA1p-ye/ I use that one on my priest, in m+ it will show on raid frames when a DPS used a cd and I have pi available. For raids it will show me when my focus use a cd.

[thorn fjord]

And OL has been pretty dope in keys after figuring it out

[limber lion]

101% out of 100%

[strange python]

lol 100.5 - with a 0.5% margin of error

[thorn fjord]

So all the my priest has to do is set me to focus?

[gaunt sigil]

I likely stay Assa even if it gets nerfed. But if it becomes WW status, I prolly just go Enh because Elementalist build

[unique sorrel]

my brain is too small though

[reef frigate]

Yes

[strange python]

ugh

tell me the trick @thorn fjord

is it literally just crackshot windows?

[limber lion]

why are ya'll dooming nerfs again

smh

[unique sorrel]

we're past dooming

we accept the hit

and simply do not care

[thorn fjord]

Pretty much

[gaunt sigil]

[thorn fjord]

I had to set up like 4 weak auras in order to get it working

[strange python]

I can't get used to those windows man - so ol just not for me as long as that talent is necessary.

[gaunt sigil]

Me accepting the incoming nuke

[crimson zephyr]

Why step 6/7 resp. what talent does it assume we have?

[thorn fjord]

One for audacity one for dance window and one for crack shot refreshes

[limber lion]

I do not understand the question

[thorn fjord]

Only shitty thing is

[strange python]

step 6 is to build combo points
step 7 is your finisher

[limber lion]

Blindside is the talent

[thorn fjord]

If you mess up a gcd your dmg goes to shit

[slate crown]

Yeah

[tame tangle]

this happens every tier , the top specs players like “why would anyone think we getting a nerf there’s no reason for it” and it ofc happens anyway usually, same song and dance over and over

[strange python]

and i probably mess up like 7 gcds

[slate crown]

I think zac made an aura to scream at you to stop casting

so you don't BTE outside of dance

[rotund jungle]

someone good a good caustic spatter WA ?

[limber lion]

just use a plater for that

[slate crown]

!wa these packs all have one. And the plater profiles have an indicator

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[crimson zephyr]

I don't see how envenom would add value in the opener here. So I assume it triggers some buff or something?

[thorn fjord]

There’s also a separate dance tracker

[gaunt sigil]

I use plater and afenar for Assa

[limber lion]

You need Envenom for Kingsbane

You need to have it before you apply KB

and 100% uptime during it

[rotund jungle]

idk with plater is caustic spatter on all targets it gets messy with all the debufss

[slate crown]

Caustic spatter can only be on one target

[limber lion]

Huh?

My plater just turns green

[slate crown]

I use Cev's plater profile and the mob with Spatter turns green. That's it

[limber lion]

no extra icons whatsoever

[crimson zephyr]

because of the inc poison apply chance?

[gaunt sigil]

Properly setup plater is

[slate crown]

I use my WA too which has an icon for spatter

[limber lion]

Yes

[crimson zephyr]

ok ty

[limber lion]

You want as many poison procs as possible during the KB windows

[tepid burrow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[unique sorrel]

me when colors make monkey brain

[strange python]

yeah I can't time a TOTT at 18 or higher. It's the same thing every time. tanks just pull that pat pack with another pack and we wipe 3-4 times...then on last boss, people don't understand the ink.

[unique sorrel]

god bless the ink removal wa

[limber lion]

huh

[south wing]

Your plater is awesome. I love it, thank you for sharing it with us.

[limber lion]

npnp!

Will try to add the mythic+ coloring for the new dungeons once I have some extra time

[unique sorrel]

i wish there was a way to mutli-color some bars

[agile geode]

By how much we will ne nerfed next week?

Expectations!

?

[south wing]

about tree fiddy

[limber lion]

I timed a +19 with 450 ilvl, surely you can

[keen spruce]

yes

[unique sorrel]

the mod im using for dots/caustic overriding my dungeon coloring is guh sometimes

[keen spruce]

[lofty junco]

its impossible to play with 3k ms -.-

[unique sorrel]

tweaked my automarker to deal with it more instead lel

[limber lion]

But you pretty much need to just know the colors when you initiate the pack but not during it

Or well, you already know what's what during the pull

[unique sorrel]

yeeee

and honestly, other than stops, im rarely swapping targets in a pack when im in kb/dm window

[strange python]

bro, it's not me

like i only can do so much

[limber lion]

what's even the problem with the ink

just clean it off

[strange python]

The hunter was running it who knows where

[south wing]

[strange python]

the paladin healer got one shot standing in the tank's cone

and i didn't get the water

lol

[limber lion]

unlucky

[unique sorrel]

telling randoms to stack near eachother in a triangle is like herding cats

[limber lion]

go next

[south wing]

that’s my kind of clown fiesta

[strange python]

then the paladin and the tank fought about it

[fierce marsh]

I´m pretty good in singletarget and learned the rotation. But my AoE is dogshit.. I´m ending +16 keys with 80k dps. Any generally tipps for me?

[strange python]

the paladin claimed the tank had "more mobility"

so he soulda moved

the tank claimed the healer shoulda moved

lol

[south wing]

I mean they’re both not wrong

[strange python]

i mean i just wouldn't stand ON the tank

either though

[young pebble]

Garrote all the trash

[grim tangle]

the healer is definitely 100% wrong

[south wing]

Melee brain go brrr

[strange python]

agree

[south wing]

I mean obviously taking a conal is bad and on you unless the tank is trolling

[strange python]

but this tank is also the one that pulled that pat pack with a regular pack and wiped us 4 times lol

[fierce marsh]

I do out of stealth. But never again after that inital.

[limber lion]

Garrote and Rupture everything, maintain CT, slam cooldowns on the big target with Spatter

[strange python]

i dunno i just need a half-decent grp

[unique sorrel]

me saying this to my tank when i get hit by Council's bear frontal when i know for sure i was just standing in it

[agile geode]

Ceverion pls change that sepsis

[strange python]

oh that fucking bear frontal

our tanks swing that thing like you can't imagine

that's literally why i dont blame myself for my death last week on it

[south wing]

swanging

[limber lion]

negative

[royal lantern]

we all have tanks, we can

tank players share 3 collective braincells

[tame tangle]

oh my god same

[fierce marsh]

what is CT?

[slate crown]

Crimson Tempest, talent on the left side

Er, Left side of the spec (right) tree

[deft vault]

how much flightstone is awarded per m+?

[harsh anchor]

At least 10

[jade dawn]

any good nameplate profiles with help for caustic spatter?

[cinder tartan]

is there a mastery cap for assass?

[jade dawn]

plater profiles *

[strange python]

Short answer - no.
Long answer involves you defining what you think a cap is.

[dark token]

there is a cap cap 🧢

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-alert-facts-alert-cap-cap-alert-gif-27626941

[cinder tartan]

so i simmed my stats on raid bots with rings and its telling me that putting on verse ring is better than mastery rings

[orchid knot]

I use Luxthos WA with the caustic splatter icon/child copied over from another WA (Afenar I believe). That helps me track it perfectly every time

[strange python]

trust the sims bro

[cinder tartan]

gotcha glooks

[strange python]

also, you probably have branch

[cinder tartan]

yeah

[strange python]

which devalues regular mastery some ya know

[cinder knoll]

Are there any stat caps I need to worry about?

[strange python]

no

https://tenor.com/view/less-is-more-jack-vale-jack-vale-films-simplicity-is-key-quality-over-quantity-gif-2137105934519868048

[slate crown]

!wa Cev's does, I use it. I think Whispyr's does too

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[orchid wind]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[mortal venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[half dawn]

Has anyone done the math on how much DPS we lose if we don't restealth between pulls (i.e like this week because of spiteful)? I know last season it really wasn't a big deal but with the IC changes... ?

[royal lantern]

not much

even less

cus you have more tools against it lol

when you have shadowdance for legit every single pack, stealth is even more of a w/e

[half dawn]

fair point

but IC window is shorter with SD v.s regular stealth, no?

[mortal venture]

Why tauren mogs gotta be so bad lol

[half dawn]

my WA could be misleading me tho

[strange python]

restealths haven't been an issue in any keys i've been in with a half-competent tank

IC with SD is just SD

[half dawn]

ah ok i thought so

[royal lantern]

? why should it be

[strange python]

If it's not your spiteful - you can spam !stealth macro - and get it off

[crimson zephyr]

is the tooltip of the debuff on the target of kingsbane not updated (the amount of dmg) when a posion is applied?

[strange python]

like 99.9% of the time

[half dawn]

yeah i do that already

[royal lantern]

i mean, why play tauren if you dont like it

[slate crown]

Correct. It does not update in the tooltip.

[strange python]

"Garrote and Rupture apply to 2 additional nearby enemy when used from Stealth and for 10 sec after breaking Stealth."

so Shadow Dance - provides the benefits of being in stealth

but when it ends - it's NOT a stealth-breaking event.

[crimson zephyr]

ty

[dusk onyx]

do you guys beat hunters in m+? without augvoker?

and without pi

[jade dawn]

yes

[south wing]

no because am monke

[strange python]

I was with BM's that I cannot beat no matter what.

Like if bosses died faster - i'd beat them on ST (by a lot)

they always catch up though

[dusk onyx]

if its a reasonable hunter with sameish ilvl or a DH i cant beat them in m+ without pi and/or augvoker

[strange python]

Maybe like Gnarlroot pull - with adds that are pulled toward the end of KB window

but we're getting really particular

[dusk onyx]

this was a 22 everbloom

[strange python]

yeah that seems accurate

[dusk onyx]

i always fell that i do not enough dmg

[clever sapphire]

what build?

[dusk onyx]

this week is shit anyways most time i cant restealth cause of this fokken ghosts

hybrid build

[strange python]

This was my last TOTT (18)

[clever sapphire]

i had this with hybrid on 21 everbloom

[strange python]

did you guys time that 21

[subtle kiln]

dont play with havoc and bm then

[strange python]

i'm sure you did

[clever sapphire]

ye

[clever sapphire]

this is true, havoc melts everything in keys, so does bm

always gotta use cds the second pull

[strange python]

my 18 TOTT is 36 deaths lol

[clever sapphire]

cause they use it first pull

[strange python]

I mean meters get scuffed like that

[dusk onyx]

even in lower keys i do less dmg

17+ fall i only did 170k overall

[subtle kiln]

I just show up for bosses. everyone is happy

[dusk onyx]

cause nothing lives long enough

[clever sapphire]

lower keys you dont even get cooldowns out

so lower keys are even worse

xD

[subtle kiln]

interrupt bot in trash

[clever sapphire]

in 17-18 i would only play ap build

[subtle kiln]

just like pvp, rogue getting carried in keys

[clever sapphire]

and go for the big SD executes

[dusk onyx]

in this +17 the dh called me boosted scumbag cause of my dmg

[royal lantern]

by the time you have 1 rupture+garrote+envenom out, and you press shiv for the KB

adds are at 30% hp

[subtle kiln]

ask them how their balls feel after getting chopped on 12/5

[clever sapphire]

why did you press envenom

thats the issue

[royal lantern]

why not

[white lance]

just pull the next boss to the trash, whichever it is

[royal lantern]

[clever sapphire]

true, doesnt matter on a 17 anyways

mb chief

[dusk onyx]

really think outlaw would be less effected by all that effects assa

[royal lantern]

its m+ in a pug, they tank wont do that unless the healer is at 20% mana

[strange python]

oh yeah i think we finally got a tank that can do tott

[clever sapphire]

outlaw is even worse on spitefull than assa im pretty sure

[white lance]

true

[clever sapphire]

just fyi

[clever sapphire]

dont just assume the tank gives a shit about mana

pls

[valid leaf]

I swapped to assa this week because of it

[clever sapphire]

ya see, spitefull so bad, outlaw players switching to assa

[valid leaf]

Kinda feels less hurtful when i lose imp garrote over crackshot window

[royal lantern]

i swear, mana is a patience meter for the tank

lower mana they have non and pull bigger

its so extreme this patch

legit everytime healer is low mana the tank brains go even bigger or just pull a boss

[dusk onyx]

why is it more than for assa?

[valid leaf]

Getting a restealth means more on outlaw then assa

[royal lantern]

cus outlaw has actually big stealth benefits and they have things that get delayed

for assa its annoying

[valid leaf]

Wich is funny

[royal lantern]

and was almost always that way btw

that NOT new

[clever sapphire]

ask in outlaw, you will get 30 answers in a second

[wide ferry]

+20 everbloom FINALLY GOT MY FUCKING BRANCH FUUUCKK YEA, sorry i had to.

[clever sapphire]

in short, you wanna spam 1 ability when you get into subterfuge window

[royal lantern]

gz 🙂

[valid leaf]

Becaysw the talent it is play around requires you to stealth

[royal lantern]

now suffer in fall

[wide ferry]

yup now this dagger.... fml

[clever sapphire]

my fall hate is slowly turning around into love

[wide ferry]

never seen it drop

[clever sapphire]

i have hated it during farm

[royal lantern]

cus its the easy dungeon this patch?

[valid leaf]

I feel like branch is a biggest clickbait in history of clickbaits

[royal lantern]

why?

[clever sapphire]

nah not because of that, i still cant say if i like it or not

[wide ferry]

dont ruin this for me lmao

[gusty mirage]

don't worry, people still won't believe you

[royal lantern]

like, outside of smolderon, branch is good lol

[clever sapphire]

cause zerocool said it

[gusty mirage]

I appreciate you fighting the good fight tho

[royal lantern]

i mean, can see it in m+

but like

[valid leaf]

Play it and then play any other trinket and see the results

[royal lantern]

m+ is not the game lol

[royal lantern]

my results are good, so idk what you mean

[valid leaf]

Its maybe good for some classes but on rog it aint it my personal opinion

[royal lantern]

like, i legit only take it off for M smoldy

[valid leaf]

Id rather take ashes any version

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha sure, ashes is way more convinient and its not that much of a difference

like i said, ill do the same on smoldy

[chilly marsh]

sin rogue should have a passive to leave combat quicker in dgs tanks never wait you stealth

[valid leaf]

And i only play keys and in that realm i do not like it

[waxen oyster]

keys its less hectic

[valid leaf]

Can be punishing sometimes for no reason

[dark token]

ye its pretty annoying

[wide ferry]

dude the ghosts are a nightmare for melee....tf do we do

[wild mural]

Press evasion every other pull

[spice spire]

Kidney shot evasion run and fok

Few things

[hexed willow]

Fan on knives with crippling

And never worry

[wide ferry]

Yea i usually fok, rupture and boogie

[waxen oyster]

play outlaw and evasion tank them

[bronze echo]

Yo, trying assa first time since vault so i got 4p from vault ofc, should i replace that 4p for just meega ilvl increase? If not should i save and get 2p+2p from s1 and s3?

[clever perch]

But this is against APL tho

APL says 2 + 1 if stealthed + 1 if talented into Dragontempered Blades

[storm vault]

got the branch, how should one play around it ?

should i stagger collecting the balls or ?

[vital wasp]

macro it together with deathmark

[strange python]

[forest notch]

is there anyt ethical way to get in M+? Im not sure what I should drop or if im jsut crazy here

[pine dew]

Is there somebody who could look in my logs?

[white marten]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Pooling Practice Tool

[unique sorrel]

@forest notch

[steel stump]

Guys I have a question in m+ aoe scenario

Should I only mutilate to maintain spatter

[unique sorrel]

if targets > 3, fok + keep spatter up

[dry root]

hmm command for Weakauras?

[vital wasp]

you have to once every 10s for splatter

[steel stump]

I realise I might mutilate too much

[pine dew]

!envenom

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[steel stump]

just bad habit

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[lofty junco]

can u cheese morchie's oneshot mechanic with cloak/feint?

[unique sorrel]

can just cloak it

but honestly just step the ring target and it doesnt matter

i save cloak for adds dot from when they get trapped

[steel stump]

The dragon mechanic ?

[dark token]

u dont need it

it doesnt increase acro or spatter range

= useless

[steel stump]

Just sprint around the room

[dark token]

its good on sub cause it increases sectech range

or outlaw for flurry

why does my hp go up by 3k

when i unstealth

for 1s

then its back down

[lofty junco]

never did the dungeon in 10.1 so not sure if i can 100% find the one without a hat

[rose harness]

Is spatter range calculated from target or char model?

I’m assuming target

[vital wasp]

target yeah

[brisk anvil]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[latent onyx]

so I got my second cruel dreamcarver and no Nick of time yet, is it worth uphgrading the off hand? MH is 480

[warm wigeon]

guys i have a question why sanguine blades can parry ?

[white marten]

For m+ do you guys use any plater mods that color the bar when both garrote and rupture are present? Or something that is easier to indicate which mobs are missing ruptures/garrotes?

[solemn mason]

Sim it

[white marten]

On big pulls manually looking and clicking nameplates to apply missing rupture/garrotes gets out of control

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-because-gif-11777634

[spice surge]

Kingsbane can also be parried

[fallen moss]

hey all, I saw someone recently using deadly/instant instead of deadly/amplifying. what are the general rules there?

[spice surge]

Very fun mechanic

[wide ferry]

@white marten most of the time first enemy dies anyway by the time its ready to reapply

[warm wigeon]

ye its fun

[spice surge]

Theyre dumb

[steel stump]

Guys if I mutilate too much does it fuck up spatter ?

[spice spire]

If you spec into amplifying you use it

[warm wigeon]

on larodar i got 2 parry kingsbane

xddd

[spice spire]

And instant is a worse deadly

[spice spire]

[white marten]

It's more for spreading ruptures in the first 8 GCDs or so

[spice surge]

Instant and amp do the same damage, except amp also makes your envenom do more

[white marten]

Your first rupture spreads what, 2 or 4? What about the other 4 mobs? You gotta click and find them

[spice surge]

Which is the entire point of speccing it to begin with

[strange python]

you can just garrote twice on the same mob (and rupture twice on the same mob) - for a total of 5 of each.

if you do tabbing - you can get 6 for the same globals.

[pine dew]

!aoe

[white marten]

Ok

[pine dew]

Whats the corret way in aoe for going in pack?

for 6 targets

[proven saddle]

Keep in mind that dreamcarver is unique-equipped

[valid shadow]

Do you crimson tempest single target? Without 4pc?

[latent onyx]

😦 Didnt realise this

[steel stump]

hell nah

[clever sapphire]

not even with 4pc

[latent onyx]

no other rogues in raid though

[strange python]

4+ only

[spice spire]

No

Never

2+ without 4p, 4+ with iirc

[valid shadow]

Ahh okay so I was doing it right

I just read 129k over 16s and the average of envenom is 68k so I was like a full dot might be better

[strange python]

CT increases dmg based on targets in-range

[steel stump]

envenom also does an instant

and gives poison application chance

[fervent jasper]

Dammit I can't decide what build to play. Hybrid or arterial......

[valid shadow]

I switched to arterial and omg

It's good

[fervent jasper]

Which version?

Are you running sudden demise?

[valid shadow]

Yeah big numbers

[strange python]

be a G and swap IB to Caustic, then Dashing to IC and send

[fervent jasper]

There's the traditional arterial build and there's another with venom rush that takes poison bomb and amp poison

[valid shadow]

Basically outdpsing everyone by like 30k over the whole mythic+
If they have same ilvl

Arterial made me do so much more dps in m+

Arterial is also very easy

[fervent jasper]

What level keys are you doing?

[valid shadow]

Working my way to +10s now
Started from the bottom a week ago

Still feels easy

[fervent jasper]

That's too low to get any good info from

[median flicker]

nick of time doesnt exist

[valid shadow]

Is it tho?
I got a dps increase either way

[spice spire]

Just one more

[fervent jasper]

Which version of arterial are you running

[steel stump]

even in 20s mobs die too fast for me

[fervent jasper]

Yeah I did a couple 21s and it still felt that way

[steel stump]

24-25 it gets better

[fervent jasper]

Especially in keys like Waycrest with all thise tiny mobs

Dying to a single eye beam

[sick edge]

I note the recent pin regarding any nerfs being posted asap, but are we generally expecting assa nerfs or is it just people being unhappy that rogue is doing so well that they demand it to be nerfed? I can't remember the last time rogue was able to top dps meters, but it seems like people don't like that to be the case. It always has to be lock for some reason...

[runic hinge]

People just like to doom

[valid shadow]

Kingsbane has now been removed

[sick edge]

I mean get the whole design around kingsbane is flawed. Its flawed in the sense that you can't balance around getting PI and having aug buffs and specific trinkets.

So how do you "fix" it?

[valid shadow]

Kingsbane is very strong indeed

Prob just %adjust

15% every poison instead of 20

[pine dew]

How would you recommend to sim for M+? Dungeon Slice or 5 Targets 40 seconds?

[vital wasp]

best would be dungeon specific sims. with a weakaura you can export a route from mdt and import it into raidbots

[sick edge]

It's super fun to play like this, but between having PI, trinkets and aug its a massive difference. If they flat out nerf kingsbane dmg then it hurst people that don't get the above buffs and we're technically only this far ahead because of these buffs/trinkets.

[vital wasp]

Guys would you say finish at 4+ cps or 5+ cp? I see zerocool finishing on 5+ for example

[valid shadow]

I mean is sin rly that much ahead? On average logs

Not just the top

I assume they nerf based on average not the outliers

[sick edge]

That's what i am saying if you dont get these buffs you're not seeing this massive discrepancy. If you do, then you're quite far ahead with the proper gear.

[tardy nacelle]

What tools do you use to compare yourself to other rogues to improve your gameplay/rotation?

[fervent jasper]

Wait they're nerfing assass?

[valid shadow]

Nothing sure yet

[earnest remnant]

filter out aug and pi from logs and assa is no longer the highest

[finite echo]

topic

[unborn geode]

details needs to remove aug from player damage as well... make it an option to see but not on primary dmg done

[slate crown]

[deft vault]

I mean yeah but then youre getting into the qorsenplayer because all the good assa are getting pied/aug

Do makes sense it fll off a bit

[earnest remnant]

thats a blizzard issue not a details issue

[valid shadow]

Simple solution add the extra dmg to the player giving the buff

Some mmos have this

[gusty mirage]

wow has it

with paladin blessings

[valid shadow]

That is a bit frustrating to hear

Lol

[deft vault]

Good luck calculating that with haste

[gusty mirage]

blizzard officially said, PI isn't a wow problem it's a community problem

[sick edge]

exactly my point. So i don't get why people are saying it will be nerfed. I don't know how you fix it if it even needs fixing that is.

[gusty mirage]

so I'd be shocked if they gut assassination cause it gets PI

[gusty mirage]

especially considering UHDK didn't get nerfed once

[earnest remnant]

but yeah like, nothing details can do unless bizzard actually allow them to access the dmg hooks

[spice spire]

Ur so real for this

[white lance]

i see a good take i go with it

[spice surge]

But you know all wow platforms except this discord is gonna be real upset when they only nerf assa by like 3% when some people are expecting something silly like 10%

[gusty mirage]

I mean even 3% shouldn't even be a thing

[slate crown]

This is a very open ended question, but to answer directly and concisely, WarcraftLogs (third party app / external website database), Details (In game damage/breakdown meter addon), and Weakauras (All-purpose visual creation-spell management engine, I struggle to contain its definition with how much this addon can do).

[fair ingot]

mainly warcraftlogs. you can do a shitton with it ^^

[slate crown]

I also answer the question with those tools as a very basic thing, but if you are asking that question then I assume you may not actually use them. They are very ubiquitous in the playerbase

[upper spear]

Had this fun convo with my raid leads last night.... "can you do dam like this rogue?"

sure, but you arent giving me PI, Wind Fury, Aug buffs, hes 7ilvl ahead of me, and they had a faster kill time.

[earnest remnant]

-.-

[slate crown]

[gusty mirage]

yeah how about we don't troll people asking a legitimate question

[wide whale]

your name 😮

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[vital wasp]

@gusty mirage can you tell me if you should finish assa on 4+ or 5+ cp? zercool does 5+ but guides say 4

[lofty junco]

btw for aoe why do want 4cp rupture instead of 6cp?

[spice spire]

4+

[royal lantern]

tbf, keys ramp up weird

[royal lantern]

good old clueless RL stuff

[fervent jasper]

Holy crap I just looked at warcraft logs because I don't raid and assass looks cracked

[vital wasp]

thx

[wide whale]

I currently have 1/4 tier (480 legs from vault). I still have 2 catalysts to use. I did LFR and Normal and got nothing this week.

Should I wait to see next weeks vault and lfr/normal before I touch the catalysts? I have hero track gloves/chest/helm ready to get blasted.

As a caveat, I'll be able to get KSM next week, so at the very least - i'll have 1 more targetted tier piece.

[lofty junco]

another m+....another wrists -.-

[shell osprey]

when is the SoD sims and guide coming out 😄

[royal lantern]

this discord is not really for classic

[shell osprey]

i know, was jokiing

[spice spire]

There’s value in getting 2p but mileage may vary depending on the level you play at

I think it’s up to users discretion

[wide whale]

wait, is there another catalyst next week, or is it week after?

[gusty mirage]

I'd wait for vault, but you'll also be 1 week away from a third charge

so it kinda becomes whatever at that point

[gusty mirage]

4+ homie, zero like many of us old farts probably still has max-1 engrained in his brain

I do it all the time too and I can't help myself

[slim pebble]

Is there a key where you guys would go back to the hybrid build?

[wide whale]

alright, thanks all ❤️

[lofty junco]

@gusty miragebtw the acro perk rly helps a lot in keys. so many stuff that u can actualy still hit as melee.

like 2nd boss in rise when he uses bladestorm

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-godsend-david-rose-david-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20860663

[balmy condor]

acro is a banger talent

[fervent jasper]

We take Venom Rush instead of Flying Daggers even in M+?

[arctic hare]

Too bad its in a terrible position :p

[upper spear]

plz stop

[balmy condor]

I played acro on nymue

was fine

quit yer bitchen

[keen aurora]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Pooling Practice Tool

[runic hinge]

What did you drop for it

[spice spire]

You’re too based

[upper spear]

ur gonna start a war

[arctic hare]

I am curious of this as well

[spice surge]

How dare you play a build that sims worse

[balmy condor]

you can, it's one of the most literal choice nodes on the tree, venom rush for single target, flying daggers for aoe/bit of fok range. Pick whichever you're vibing with

[balmy condor]

drop deeper and alacrity, double lethality + acro instead

[upper spear]

what did you drop for it. I was considering it for M Larodar.

maybe u dropped dance and went Echo?

[balmy condor]

right above you

[upper spear]

ah

[balmy condor]

I was thinking about it on larodar

but seemed like a bit of a waste

nymue you're pretty regularly out of range

[upper spear]

managing fire dam + uptime when you have to drop fire

i actualyl didnt feel i needed it on my Nymue kill.

[balmy condor]

yeh it wasn't that bad

[upper spear]

tbf if i get double swirlies i just cloak if im in CDs lol

[balmy condor]

most of the time it was just charges

[lofty junco]

dropped tea for it, cause first wana get comfortable with the fights

[balmy condor]

that's quite a bit less good

but yeah go for it

95% of the time when you're progging it's just mechanics anyway

doesn't matter that you're doing 350k dps if you keep wiping at 70% hp

[gusty mirage]

[lofty junco]

same reason why i run the ultitarian m+ variant. lesser buttons to care about

[gusty mirage]

it's worth the sim dps loss tbh, you make up for it in ways a sim can never calculate

[balmy condor]

that's why I included it

value

[gusty mirage]

it is a dps talent despite people thinking its not

[upper spear]

my brain damage screams at me every time I drop a damage talent to fiddle wiht Acro

[lofty junco]

https://tenor.com/view/mantap-gif-11876660417381678041

[upper spear]

the voices are winning

[gusty mirage]

that just means you're right at home brother

🤝

if you main a rogue you're default mentally unstable

[lofty junco]

if now only the tanks wouldn't be such a pain in the ass

what i love the most are this tanks that chainpull every package, tank the mobs then in floors where its impossible to dodge specters, and then complain that u deal lesser damage then the demo and hunter

[gusty mirage]

honestly tell them to chain pull better, the problem is they chain like shit

[upper spear]

im so desperate for uptime on Larodar i cloaked his charge a few times if it lines with KB

into the fire we go

[gusty mirage]

if you have 3-4 mobs chilling at like 30-40% health with full bleeds rolling you can go in and get your bleeds rolling on the new ones

[lofty junco]

like fighting the 3 witches in WM without stealth felt so god damn shit

[gusty mirage]

and it's legit barely noticeable

[wide whale]

so i think i've nailed the opener down - still trying to clean up shiv timing around deathmark and end of kingsbane w/ thistle.

my big issue is how hard my dps falls off after the opener. even with 100% uptime on S&D, rupture and garrote, the mutilate+envenom spam falls off quite hard

[gusty mirage]

but when these assholes chain with a mob at like 8%

they're trolling themselves and the key

[slate crown]

so real

for this

[runic hinge]

How much less does that sim

[wide whale]

yeah it's been rough with spiteful i've noticed, tanks just pull into the next pack and never let me stealth 😦

[gusty mirage]

honestly just slap ruptures on the spitefuls and W key

don't let the BM hunters pad

[runic hinge]

I love when there’s one spiteful left. Like bruh just wait 2 seconds if you already let everything else die

[upper spear]

true

[gusty mirage]

kindergarten ass spec

[upper spear]

im actually loving this week almost purely due to this

Fan + rup = inf energy

[gusty mirage]

I did a BRH 20 with a juicer augvoker and finished at like 320k dps

it was nuts

just made sure to slap 2-3 ruptures on as we were running to next pack

drowning in energy

[balmy condor]

kinda depends, I've seen it fluctuate

like people run vers phial still

and it's a bit more for them

[wide whale]

what should i be running instead 😮

[balmy condor]

but for me it's 3%

that's with pi

[runic hinge]

Not bad

[placid kraken]

You guys think they are going to release change notes tonight?

[upper spear]

its a push night for me when i get off, finally got my last Nick of Time. im out of the Fall hell farm.

[balmy condor]

crit always

[gusty mirage]

FREE FROM THE MINEs

[wide whale]

just got my first + witherbranch yesterday!

was a good day

[misty holly]

I was thinking, what if Realz added a small damage component to acro so it felt like you were getting something even in the times when you don't need the extra range. Like more autoattack damage or something.

[upper spear]

still need branch but, much less of an upgrade.

[slate crown]

I'm just really happy about the sin rework because viability is really present with whatever build you take, like I'm not running utilitarian, I'm running my own build I put together to get acro. Performance is fine, failures I make are unrelated to the build and are related to me as a player / group. I get to think myself about the talents with the recommend builds as a start but like, it's all flexible.

[vital wasp]

thank you very much

[spice surge]

Funny part about crit flask is that it procs the shield from the neck

[misty holly]

Like, currently autoattack makes up almost zero percent of my damage, so boosting it realistically wouldnt do anything - but it would feel better to have something.

[dark token]

zero who

[spice surge]

Since youre dealing nature damage, just to youtself

[dark token]

maybe i should stream at least ill tell people to do the sim rotation rather than a made up one

[upper spear]

that wont happen. if they moved the talent node that would be Pog tho

[gusty mirage]

no shot

[spice surge]

Yep shot 🙃

Same as to why it scales with vers

[gusty mirage]

[spice surge]

So 2% more vers means it does 2% more damage, but you also take 1% less damage

So roughly 1% more taken overall

[naive crescent]

do ppl use a macro that casts ambush if available and mutilate if not for one key

[misty holly]

What you need to do is stack leech, so the more damage you do the more you leech to completely cancel it out.

[balmy condor]

no, the game does that for you

[wide whale]

does for me at least

[upper spear]

Raidbots telling me to gem vers. But I just wanna slam more haste or crit

[lofty junco]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[turbid hornet]

If talented to blindside right? what if u are in AOE spec without blindside? dont u need a Macro for it?

[lunar sorrel]

Out of curiosity do you use a macro to hit SD and KB in one go or do y’all just cast one after the other?

[upper spear]

yes

#1

[lunar sorrel]

Ah sweet. That’s what I’ve been doing out of convenience and it works well for me

[balmy condor]

yeah but if you're in aoe spec without blindside you would only be casting it from stealth/dance in single target, so you can just put it on your stealth bar where mutilate is

[turbid hornet]

right ty

[wide whale]

oo thats a good idea, ty

[lunar sorrel]

Something I’ve been meaning to improve on is the aoe burst opener. If tank is pulling 5-7 mobs how many rupture/garrote spreads are necessary before the burst on main target?

[turbid hornet]

Is there any useful macros i should be using for Assasssin 4p? im switching specs....SD into KB is mandatory i guess....Deathmark with trinkets? Thistle tea with?

[upper spear]

had a 1.5m opener in Dark Heart this week 😎

ya im bricked up

[unreal valley]

does Ambush apply caustic spatter?

[spice surge]

Yes

[paper lagoon]

Man this week is a struggle for sin

[sick abyss]

anyone else having log in issues?

[unreal valley]

ty 🙂

[sinful ore]

Yeah I am

Cant log in rn

[upper spear]

i keep hearing this and tbh, hard disagree.

[sick abyss]

no restealths, its fucked

[wide whale]

is there ever a reason to pop KB without SD or vice versa?

[ancient rain]

it's not that bad just rotate shadow dance, vanish and the occasional actual restealth

[upper spear]

not only do you not need restealth as much this tier, but you totally can get restealths

[royal lantern]

thank you for learning

🙂

[lunar sorrel]

I just tell my tank to give me a moment to do it. No issues so far

[paper lagoon]

i mean how do you manage spreading your garrotes and ruptures without restealthing?

[spice surge]

Dance and vanish

[lunar sorrel]

With the other ways of activating stealth. Vanish and SD.

[upper spear]

what keys levels are you doing

[paper lagoon]

20+

[sick abyss]

you can use other abilties to spread them, issue is in high keys, you want kings bane funnel damage

i did a 22 tide, and it did my head in

[paper lagoon]

but i mean , yeah when ur tank chainpulling and whatnot and SD/Vanish on cd

i find it kinda rough

[spice surge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[sick abyss]

is that based off high keys though, like 22+ ish?

[tame tangle]

what im still struggling to understand as an outlaw main is that vanish and sd are normally used with kb so i’m assuming we desync to accomplish these garrotes, or that’s what we’re doing inside kb

[spice surge]

The level of the keys are not relevant

[turbid hornet]

So u want garrote/rupture mostly for energy usage with CT and not for the Damage?

[upper spear]

yes no

[turbid hornet]

i mean, in M+ Garrote/Rupture is a source of Energy rather than Damage?

[upper spear]

no

[sick abyss]

higher the key the mobs health is impacted, our aoe is great, but im brought to keys for mainly funnel to main target

[turbid hornet]

huh

[upper spear]

garrote is a fuck load of ur dam, but you also need ot up because energy

[sick abyss]

but i guess its a group thing, ill keep all that in mind, good vid by whisper

[gusty mirage]

garrote will be your top damage almost always in high enough keys

[upper spear]

Garrote/rup

[spice surge]

Obviously higher keys mean higher mob hp, but it has no impact on wether you need restealths or not

[sick abyss]

if your using other abiltiies to get your aoe off, it impacts your bane no?

you wont have dance

or vanish

[upper spear]

in keys

you arent gonna perfect opener

a lot

with KB funneling that is

KB the prio kill target, get ur passive cleave bleeds up

youll prob have enough bleeds going for the whole pack to finish KB

[sick abyss]

thats also true

[upper spear]

then you can alwasy vanish again if you want for end of KB to get the lingering adds

[paper lagoon]

Im still learning sin for m+ , is there a video or source the deep dive the rotation and stuff for sin? , im hella struggling lol

[upper spear]

or save vanish

for next pack

if you cant restleath

[runic hinge]

I save vanish for restealth almost always this week.

[limber acorn]

Whast the preferred build for M+? Shock or Hybird in genreal

[tawny geyser]

Which races you guys prefer for rogues?

[upper spear]

Orc because zugzug but i might race change

[lofty junco]

first time using whispyr's plater profile. can i hide the poisons on it so that i only see rupture and garrote?

[limber acorn]

Yes, add then poisons to debuff blacklist in buff listing

[tame tangle]

so it seems the tldr is beyond getting a restealth saving vanish outside kb can help you do so but most still using dance with kb?

[lofty junco]

in buff tracking?

[limber acorn]

yes

[upper spear]

dance / vanish= same same restealth

[paper lagoon]

Is there reason why nick of time is bis? im learning

[limber acorn]

tiemstrike

[upper spear]

the time strike duplicates damage

i forget the calc, i think each daggers TS will be 1% of your dam

i see usually 1.5 when i check

[paper lagoon]

Oh i see , ty ty!

[turbid hornet]

If u find anything related lmk, im on the same boat lol switching from outlaw

[lofty junco]

i added it here by ID and it still shows up

[upper spear]

do you have your ST perfected? because TBH really understanding that and why i do each part of the opener helped me realize how i want to breakup my CDs in M+

[tame tangle]

i understand this but the aoe rotation on wowheads saying you still do a standard kb rotation in aoe, which would be the prio target. that’s what a lot of us are asking, when people are using dance and vanish in that way and when they use it to just spread more garrotes

[upper spear]

if the pack is big enough, press every button (this will cause a ton of garrotes) if the pack is small, be more reserved

[paper lagoon]

not really no , i'm doing what wowhead rotation says but it kinda feels like my damage is still low cause of rotation issues , i know my gear is not that great or my trinkets but still feels average

[balmy condor]

based off every key level really

in the video I go through like +10's as well as +25's

to show that it's really universal

and not just an issue for X or Y

[paper lagoon]

i know aoe has similar rotation but i see ppl like blasting 1m+ opener and what now and im doing below the tank damage before mobs dies lol

[balmy condor]

the arguments often made that low keys suffer more from chaining for example

[iron lynx]

what enchants are you guys running for rings?

[tame tangle]

sim greeny

[upper spear]

ya sounds like core fundamentals issue. if oyu dont have ST down, AOE is just gonna confuse u

[paper lagoon]

When do you use CT in aoe? after you finish the rotation or before kingsbane/deathmark also do you use it in single target on bosses in keys ?

[upper spear]

!CT

we didnt link the meme.....

[upper spear]

CT never single target, like MAYBE(????) on Galakrond during his hero phase at the end but even then idk lol

[tawny geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[paper lagoon]

wowhead has this rotation for m+ like large pulls , would you recommend practicing it? like is it accurate?

Cause it feels like Fan of knives does not generate 4 combo points sometimes idk if its a bug or what

[turbid hornet]

@paper lagoon im just watching this dude rotation, keep in mind the HP pool for that Key...idk if there is any youtuber with better keys but for now that would do it

[runic hinge]

Just crit

[paper lagoon]

i was just testing on dummies and it barely generated 2-3 points

[spice surge]

fan of knives generate 1 combo point and then another for each crit

[turbid hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inwNqYccAxM&t=29s

[paper lagoon]

i'll check it out ❤️

[lunar sorrel]

Sybs videos are great

[paper lagoon]

how much crit is needed in m+ like 4k+?

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[paper lagoon]

Yeah i understand , i mean whats the min crit you need to have fan of knive to constantly crit to generate 4 points , or that is not a thing

[runic hinge]

100%

[shy meteor]

is it more important to have keep envenom up or stay above 50% energy when out of cds?

[gentle belfry]

How do I parse on council

[rustic imp]

Just FoK twice if you don't generate enough cps.

[turbid hornet]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVFFRQVFVQmJBQCVRNVUVVVUJQEEoVQBF is this build better for M+?

[runic hinge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[shy meteor]

what do they mean by uncomfortable lol

[balmy condor]

I mean you can have 99% crit and still only get 1cp in a pack of 50 mobs

[runic hinge]

Meaning you’re struggling to maintain rupture and garrote while also envenom

[shy meteor]

oh there's a vid

[balmy condor]

crit is RNG at the end of the day

[royal lantern]

thats me

[balmy condor]

there's expected values because it's just a probability

but if you have 40% crit on 10 targets

you can overcap a bunch of cp

or get none

usually somewhere in the middle

[shy meteor]

wait can KB be parried? :O

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Just call for a wipe if it happens

[spice surge]

Yep, very fun

[paper lagoon]

Is there a weak aura that helps with chaining envenom

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[runic hinge]

In LE’s profile there’s an envenom timer

[paper lagoon]

Those are groups

[runic hinge]

If you just want that

[paper lagoon]

Ah OK

Yeah just want that

My afnar one doesn't have it

[slate crown]

Yeah, the profile above has a bunch of stand-alone single auras from my group

[paper lagoon]

One more question lol

So chaining evenom means wait til 1 sec left before slamming another evenom. Did I get that right

To proc the 4 tier set

[runic hinge]

Yes

[slate crown]

That's about right yes

[turbid hornet]

In a pull of 7 mobs....2 garrotes from stealth should get 5/7 mobs. Continue to Garrote/rupture the whole pack will depend on the Key right? meaning if the key is low mobs will die too fast and you would rather 2garrotes+2Ruptures+Knife+CT right? and in a higher Key, say a +19 you would want to actually do at least 3 garrotes+3Ruptures+Envenom+KB right?

[deep topaz]

[paper lagoon]

Cause I'm still abit confused of how to proc my 4 tier lol

OK ty

[runic hinge]

You press envenom while the envenom buff is still up

[paper lagoon]

Oh I see ty

So that does lots of aoe damage I assume

[balmy condor]

I mean

[paper lagoon]

So slamming evenom back to back is not bad in myth plus

[balmy condor]

"lots"

[turbid hornet]

but u would want to press envenom right before the last expire to maxime dps i guess

[balmy condor]

it's good

[slate crown]

If you take the Progress Bar aura from my profile, you envenom when the bar is below the red tick.

[balmy condor]

but it's not like the most giga thing in the world that you must now do always or aoe dps shit

[paper lagoon]

Oh that's awesome I'll do that

[balmy condor]

like in this fortified 27 their tier was 3.5% overall

and it's more in single target than on trash

[paper lagoon]

Yeah from what I understood from the tldr is that chaining evenom values more than staying above 50% energy for sanguine

[turbid hornet]

i got a M+ plater profile.... that i do like...is there a way to add the debuff assassin stuff to my current profile without messing up things?

[balmy condor]

on trash it was less

[paper lagoon]

If I'm not wrong

[balmy condor]

correct

[runic hinge]

Whisp have you seen this dtb without amp build?

[balmy condor]

especially in aoe, you'll have the energy anyway from multidotting

[slate crown]

Oh did that survive scrutiny? I went to bed

[balmy condor]

I have seen it

[runic hinge]

It simmed higher

[balmy condor]

yeah

I mean go for it

I don't care lmao

it's just back to there's a billion different ways to play the spec

[runic hinge]

Idk. I tried it and it didn’t feel great but it was just one key and the tank was kinda wack

[paper lagoon]

Caustic splash is #1 dmg there. Is that sounds about right. Thought garrote should be ur numb one

[turbid hornet]

thats what Sybelysa use his Last WM 22

He said its better ST and AOE dps

[balmy condor]

this is what's filtered to just trash, it's a pretty healthy spread and they're all close

[paper lagoon]

I see

[balmy condor]

depends on how you play it

like some pulls might be shorter/longer

you might get a restealth more or less

tons of things that can sway it either way

[pine dew]

Whats Higher Prio after, rupture and garrote? Envenom, Spatter oder CT at 4+ Targets?

[balmy condor]

well you'd want spatter up for your cds

so I'd say probably that

you can CT sorta whenever

for most people I'd say getting cooldowns out earlier and then going into CT later is probably better

cause for like 95% of your guy's keys

shits dying before kingsbane finishes anyways

so really ain't much to do about that

if you're doing 25's or whatever and the pull actually lasts 40 seconds sure put the CT up before your cds

[distant plinth]

Or Get Sudden demise executed at 1mill hp left😂

[calm tendon]

hey guys. is there a weakaura to whisper priest for PI? like tricks that sets tank for macro

[balmy condor]

but delaying your cds when the pull only lasts 20-25 seconds seems pretty troll

[distant plinth]

/whisper whispyr pi me on ur deathmark macro

[tough dawn]

Hello guys, i have question. Ashes of the Emebersoul use 2-3s before use Kingsbane or 3-2s befere END Kingsbane?

[calm tendon]

yeah but dont want to change everytime the name while i'm pugging 😄

[distant plinth]

Dont want to spend 10sec for giga dps increase…? Hmmmm

[clever perch]

on 2 targets if playing arterial shock, on 3 targets if playing DTB (According to the rogue APL)

[vapid skiff]

No you need to get the priest on board with either whisper macro or the power infusion prio list that works with priedt having focus on you iirc

[calm tendon]

it could be a better solution than whisper by self.. like the tricks wa

[runic hinge]

3 seconds into KB

[vapid skiff]

But you will get priests who dont care enough to sweat that much

And they WILL send it on cd no matter what