assassination

[marble hemlock]

youre better than that

wizards control the media

[fallen knoll]

They're intentionally playing bad sometimes so they don't get nerfed

[surreal citrus]

mages been downplaying since vanilla

[winter gale]

Guys

[royal lantern]

firemage is not top3 for 2weeks?

ignite dmg increased by 20%

fireball dmg increased by 15%

flamestrike dmg increased by 10%

pyroblast dmg increased by 10%

EVERY.SINGLE.TIME

its like a clockwork

[winter gale]

In Whispyr ST opener video I saw him using mutilate in opener when ambush already gave him 4CP. Also, never saw him using 4CP, he always buid for more. Am I missing something here?

[icy acorn]

in opener you want 5+ cp for envenom

[winter gale]

That one BEFORE DM+KB or during entire opener sequence?

[marble hemlock]

It's a super super super minor thing to do the opener slightly differently (i.e. using ambush vs mutilate during dance), and you want to ensure your first envenom is 5+, otherwise you might lose a tiny bit of env uptime during kb.

[pseudo hamlet]

Wait, we do 5+ Envenom before the DM+Shiv+SD+KB?

[surreal citrus]

yeah so you have the buff up pre kb

[fallen knoll]

Ideally you want to envenom first for the buff

[surreal citrus]

and long enough for you to refresh it before it falls off

[icy acorn]

yeah, i also only realized that yesterday lol

[pseudo hamlet]

Oki doki, thanks! Didn't know about that

[icy acorn]

whispyr even wrote that in the wowhead guide

i literally didnt notice

[winter gale]

Yeah, I think that is even said transparently in wowhead guide. I just dont know should I finish with more than 4CP during entire opening sequence, so both envenoms before and during DM+KB sequence

[icy acorn]

i think only during DM sequence

[winter gale]

Or just that Envenom before DM+KB

[surreal citrus]

once you have the kb running you can follow the 4+ rule

[winter gale]

Ok

[icy acorn]

because you dm - shiv - kb - garrote - mutilate - envenom

[pseudo hamlet]

And we do Envenom at 4 or more CP? 😮

[icy acorn]

and without dm 4cp timing should suffice

[pseudo hamlet]

yeah, that thing

[surreal citrus]

yes

[marble hemlock]

4 is sliiiiightly better

[pseudo hamlet]

But that's only in the KB window or we use that rule even outside of it?

[surreal citrus]

the first 5+ envenom is just to make sure it doesn't fall off when you DM + shiv + kb

[marble hemlock]

but again... dont focus too much on it, its not like youre suddenly gonna drop 5k dps by using an accidental 5cp one

[surreal citrus]

that too

[marble hemlock]

always 4+

(except the first one in opener)

but even that

if you use a 4+ instead

[icy acorn]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[marble hemlock]

its a barely noticeable difference

[pseudo hamlet]

Damn, thanks guys. It seems I was using outdated rotation during the raids

[winter gale]

On his video he is pushing for more during DM

[marble hemlock]

if you did 5+ instead, you probably did a whole 500dps less because of it

[icy acorn]

btw with "uncomforable to chain" does it mean "i barely have enough energy to barely hold the chain last second"?

[marble hemlock]

its more like...

4cp envenom into having to refresh garrote into 2cp mutilate

technically you can still hit that new envenom after another mutilate in the initial envenom's window, but its better to just pool at that point

the situation you described is the same. basically, whenever youd have to refresh the envenom during the last 0.2sec or so, you may wanna just hold and start fresh after taking a shower

[icy acorn]

pooling is actually really fun

just take your hands off the keyboard and mouse for like 15 sec

[marble hemlock]

technically it was always a gain, its just the first time since bfa that we do it for more than just a miniscule dps increase

[obsidian ridge]

how do you use witherbark's branch? does kb do some weird mastery snapshot so get all 3 orbs before kb or do you get your 3rd orb refresh during the last 10s of kb?

[icy acorn]

macro it to DM

pick up 2 orbs

wait a bit

pick up the third

[obsidian ridge]

thats pretty much what i have been doing, thanks

[mystic osprey]

dagger didnt fucking drop

[icy acorn]

[mystic osprey]

ONLY 2 HOURS ON THAT BOSS

caps

[mortal crystal]

Does it ever? 😦

[mystic osprey]

It was actually a fun ass boss

[icy acorn]

imagine blizzard also putting in sanctum of domination for fated s4 in DF
just so we can get that JUICY dagger

as you can see i have a lot of copium in my blood

[neat plank]

yes for shooting cockroaches in dungeons, waiting for people to insert key

[mystic osprey]

8/9H

[zenith hatch]

any1 have an idea how to make it last forever? it turns off all the time and im not a plater expert

[mystic osprey]

V

[zenith hatch]

ach well ye ty

[strange comet]

yea i do it but still man its pain 😄

[still stirrup]

Been a painful two weeks

[latent onyx]

ye I forgot what stealthing between packs feel like this week

[surreal citrus]

at least spiteful is hella energy refunds from rupture

[strange python]

I ran a few 18's with that non-CT build. It's surprisingly not terrible. Boss damage is insane. But I still think the actual m+ builds are probably just better.

[arctic socket]

I thought about trying to do something with poison bomb

[strange python]

Yeah it has poison bomb

I mean it sims better in dslice but i dunno

marginally better

[arctic socket]

All the homies hate the shades

[strange python]

Any decent tank i had - and the pulls are big enough that the shades are just dealt with - and i've been getting restealths anyway

I think having a BM in the group helps or something

[arctic socket]

I run with a bm / dh

I never see my name on top of the meters in packs

[strange python]

yeah so shades probably aren't really a thing to you

[arctic socket]

But hey at least like I still do boss damage

[strange python]

I always either kidney mine, or evasion tank like 2-3 of them if the situation calls for that.

[surreal citrus]

if I was running with bm and dh I'd definitely just focus on boss damage tbh

[arctic socket]

Oh no they still are because the tanks I get with like to chain pull

[strange python]

Like council in everbloom, we were able to kill telu or whatever before the first revitalize even

I think I was at like 550k and the BM was at 450k dps on it

That was in an 18

[amber stream]

Is there a BIS items sim like 10.1?

[strange python]

I think the bloodmallet profile probably has BIS?

[arctic socket]

My sim for st seems high

[strange python]

what's it at

[strange python]

lol yeah that's up there

I just think there's something to be said for sin's boss dmg with the non-CT build, even on fort weeks.

[clever niche]

Anyone got a like to notters kb wa?

[strange python]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[clever niche]

Appreciate you

[grim jay]

The different weeks dont really shift what you need as much as people think. Also the non ct build doesnt run scent or demise iirc, which is pretty awkward

[strange python]

yeah definitely no demise.

[glass junco]

whats the deal with the AP m+ build?

more aoe less st?

[strange python]

I could have some cooked version of it though, i dunno. I just looked up people's builds on io to try it

[strange python]

I think it's the opposite

Although technically the hybrid build should result in more st

I just feel energy starved in the hybrid build (or at least I did)

[grim jay]

Oh ye, its from the #1 key spaming rogue

[strange python]

yeah then i have the right one

The build has its place, i'll say that

[grim jay]

The AP VR BS build has more ST, the other one more aoe iirc

[strange python]

yeah - but the other one should have bigger KB's (with DTB and more poison application)

right?

[fervent marsh]

guys am i doing something wrong? I make 80-90k dps in 2-3 min fights in m+..i have 2364mastery.. :l

[unique sorrel]

DTB feels bad if your tank goes monkey mode and does dog pulls

[strange python]

lol what's your ilvl

[unique sorrel]

Though I do miss having slow poison in the AP build

I’ve hot-swapped to it sometimes instead of numbing

[grim jay]

Probably. But you got execute and more amped DMs on the AP one

[fervent marsh]

460

[strange python]

jesus

oh hah

[fervent marsh]

😄 sorry

[strange python]

I was gonna say you should be doing the main story campaign

yeah 460 is getting up there.

[fervent marsh]

yeah 460 🙂

[strange python]

Our dmg in kingsbane/opener is huge so make sure you're getting that right

seems to start fading after that until the next KB at 1 min then picks back up a little

[arctic socket]

Is there a wa that highlights shiv or thistle tea during kingsblade so I don’t have to look at a timer

[strange python]

I'd just look at your numbers compared to the people you're in the keys with

[strange python]

I feel like LE's probably does

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[royal lantern]

search notter in wago

[fervent marsh]

fire and dh overperfom me

[strange python]

look at his one-off ones

[fervent marsh]

as always

[arctic socket]

Well dh is just going to do that in aoe

Anyways

[fervent marsh]

but in singletarget too

[strange python]

I'd say against DH - you should be like 20-30% under them on big packs.

On bosses you should be like 30% above them

rough estimates

assuming same ilvls

[fervent marsh]

he is in 475

[strange python]

oh yeah no chance

[fervent marsh]

and what do you think on this week how many % off bcs we cant stealth enough bcs the shades?

[arctic socket]

Only 20-30%? Man we fully pull everything up to the first boss in fall… it’s definitely a lot more then that

[strange python]

oh that pull is huge huh

we put some big numbers up on that too though

like 900k-1M right

i dunno what a good dh is at on that

[fervent marsh]

dont know who dont nerf these fcking dhs or soft caps the auras or ragefire..

[arctic socket]

Why complain about that when we are absolutely busted st? By a mile

[strange python]

Any pull that is big - and we have a target that can live our DM/KB - we're probably top on that pull

[fervent marsh]

so in keys i have to be top single target dmg?

[grim jay]

Guess you didnt read up why

[arctic socket]

You will or should be top boss damage

[grim jay]

And in m+ we arent really

[arctic socket]

You could explain

[distant plinth]

What stats are you guys going for? my sims tells me to stack vers+haste T_T like x2 haste+vers rings

[strange python]

I have 49% crit in my m+ build lol. I literally can't run out of energy - i think it's cause mut is like pretty much always 4 cp

[arctic socket]

Only 49%

[royal lantern]

assa logs are inflated rn cus they eat aug buffs in them

its vers strong yeha, but not nearly as insane as it looks on logs

[fervent marsh]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qmYQ6BZXN1vbPgnL#fight=last&type=damage-done

can you check this? i was dead on last boss nearly on 40%

[arctic socket]

Y’all get a Aug buff?

[grim jay]

And in m+ build sin loses mucho st

[strange python]

dang that fire mage is pumpin

[steel geyser]

I mean, dh are getting Aug buffed too

[strange python]

that's a lot of time warps?

or am i nuts

[royal lantern]

yeha, but assa eats a big chunk of aug dmg on logs

[steel geyser]

Assa especially gets PI

[grim jay]

Tbf the overall is pretty low on all of em

[strange python]

how are there lusts like 4 mins apart

[strange python]

I think WCL overall is different from what details shows though

[steel geyser]

Mages can bl for themself every 5min

[strange python]

can they do a "single lust" at pull - like if main lust is 5 mins in?

or do they HAVE to get lust on CD first

[steel geyser]

That's why they cry when they have to lust for the grp

[strange python]

ahh

they can personal lust - when they have debuff, but their lust isn't on cd

that makes sense

[steel geyser]

Yes I'm pretty sure it still works like that

Haven't played mage for a while tho

[grim jay]

Iirc it doesnt go on CD as long as you dont have the debuff while using it

[steel geyser]

Oh thats sweet qol

[blazing jewel]

I think it’s because they accidentally double lust themselves in raid

Like if someone else presses it right before they do

[steel geyser]

Oh yeah

[strange python]

oh yeah that'd be terrible

feel terible anyway lol

[strange python]

Feels so good to be "done with raiding" already this tier

[valid shadow]

Do we want 2 nick of times? I just got one and hoped the suffering ended

[versed gulch]

It's free real estate. And by real estate I mean damage.

[strange python]

Probably sim depending on ilvl, to be safe.

but yeah assuming equal ilvl nick is always just gonna be better i would imagine

It's like 0.7 to 1.1% per

[fallen knoll]

If you're like me and have 1 hero nick and myth ad dagger, forget that place, besides ilvl beats it in that case (unless it's myth as well)

[strange python]

definitely offhand, for sure though - like ilvl probably has to be 20 higher for anything else to even remotely come close

[versed gulch]

MH lower iLvl Nick of Time can be beaten by higher iLvl other daggers. Offhand this is true too, but would be a more extreme iLvl diff.

Avih beat me to it. I need more coffee

[valid shadow]

Ahh ty
After 30x that dungeon I'm kinda done with it

[strange python]

yeah my oh is 476 i think - and i'm only replacing it if i random into a higher one, or get one in vault

[topaz horizon]

I have 2 myth daggers, one of them is nick of time. A 2nd hero nick is still ~1300 dps gain for me

[versed gulch]

Exactly. NoT in OH is pretty much a requirement. Reasonable iLvl be damned.

Probably the same for Outlaw too.

[strange python]

yeah i use my 476 oh as outlaw over a 486 dagger

but that 1.1% doesn't do much for me as outlaw

anyway

[gusty mirage]

@blazing jewel send help

[strange python]

i'd need like 40%

[versed gulch]

I'm just holding my breath for the Dec 5th buff/nerf announcements

I'm playing Havoc main and Assassination as my primary alt. So I'm expecting a bad time.

[valid shadow]

I'm fairly new to the game is it possible blizzard will just completely ruin the class I'm investing in now?

[versed gulch]

I don't believe it will be completely ruined. They have been much better with that this expansion

[strange python]

the possibility always exists, but it's fairly unlikely. I give you like a 99.9% chance it's still absolutely playable lol

I don't even know honestly "how much of an outlier" assassination is honestly.

With PI, and aug stuff

[royal lantern]

nah

fotm andys just love to doom over everything as if its dead when its now 2% from beeing the best lol

[strange python]

DH is a more standout in keys, and maybe even BM.

[versed gulch]

I just hope they're not too heavy handed nerfing a spec due to it's imba interactions with PI, Aug, and broken Aug hooks

Because that's a PI and Aug problem and not an Assassination one.

[royal lantern]

blizz doesnt care about the broken aug hooks, they have the real numbers lol

[mystic osprey]

Tried outlaw and I feel the carpal tunnel already

[valid shadow]

Sounds good
I'm going really hard into this game rn and that would bum me out pretty hard lol

[royal lantern]

they dont rely on a 3rd party tool for numbers

[strange python]

If sin did get hit hard sub would take it's spot at the top top

guaranteed

[versed gulch]

Havoc could use some tuning for AOE, but probably a buff to ST to go with it

[strange python]

sub is strong af, just all "the best" players are try-harding sin rn

[mystic osprey]

If sin gets hit hard I'm playing outlaw

[outer cairn]

gross

[royal lantern]

ever played league (if the answer is yes, im sorry for you and hope you get over it) and how they always say X champ is TROLLING cus its not 54% winrate rn?

thats how fotm players in wow react too small nerfs that bring something in line

[mystic osprey]

I like the skill gap in players with outlaw

Makes me wanna play it

[outer cairn]

outlaw should be ranged as survival became melee

tally ho bitches

[valid shadow]

@royal lantern ahh I get you lol

[strange python]

actually...

I'd quite like that

[mystic osprey]

Outlaw should be a hunter

[strange python]

Imagine having a ranged rogue spec

[mystic osprey]

Marksmanship rogue

[versed gulch]

Yeah, that was the tradeoff I wanted back when they made the Survival change to melee. A soul for a soul.

[valid shadow]

I play outlaw to but I feel sin is just so much more consistent on a intermediate lvl of play

[royal lantern]

if assa gets a hit, sub and outlaw need 1 aswell, espacialy outlaw which argurably allready pulls higher numbers

and yeha, if you just nuke assa/havoc/bm, you have enh/sub/outlaw doing almost the same numbers, people just somewhat "sleep" on those 3 rn

[strange python]

fight is sh*t for melee, just go ranged for that one - or something

[strange python]

oh yeah enh is no joke i agree 100

[royal lantern]

you never want too play melee rogue again huh?

adding a ranged spec would instantly kill all melee options rogue has

its sich a horrible idea

[strange python]

remember how OP they had to make surv - just for people to play it

[royal lantern]

idl why people still bring it up

[strange python]

a man can dream, can't he

[valid shadow]

I played survival in 2004 but nobody knew wtf they were doing lmao

[strange python]

I'm ngl, my hunter surv spec - is still ranged.

It's like completely fine for world content and stuff

At least in 9.x

[hushed summit]

Quick question, do i need to spam mutilate or just chill?

[strange python]

I've played hunter for about 8 minutes this xpac (only cause i had a boost)...and 7 of those minutes were dragging spells to my bar and setting up my ui.

[strange python]

you understand the basics - that you build to enough CP then spend them right?

[versed gulch]

Survival has been really consistent since Shadowlands fated season. It's fun. It just gets a lot of hate because A. Hunter and B. Melee hunter

[spice surge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[versed gulch]

Mongoose Bite spam at 5 stacks and your Kul Tiran leaping into the air and screaming like a madman whilst swinging a spear was peak entertainment.

[real stirrup]

what does it mean to wait one second in order to proc tier, wouldn't you be spamming envenoms and not thinking about it being in pandemic?

[lyric grail]

What buff do I get from chaining ? There’s literally nothing what shows me I chained right

[strange python]

If you are in KB/cds yes - but not outside of cd's no.

[real stirrup]

ah right

[strange python]

read the 4p

Envenomous Explosion

You don't "get a buff" from chaining - you get "Envenom buff" from Envenoming - and then Envenoming (while that buff is present) procs the 4p.

[next dust]

When is next class tuning coming ?

[west lantern]

wowhead says the Fyrakk trinket is not that good but when doing mythic it does decent damage?

[boreal cloud]

It doesnt have main stat tho

[west lantern]

im 455 item lvl so not that high yet but still was wondering because it sometimes doe less sometimes way more

[sonic schooner]

because it s fully crit dependant and rng depednant if i understood the trinket well

i just think it s another DH trinket, once again 15% of their dps is a passiv equipped slot

https://gyazo.com/c01576f3ea483f1b015dfda0bd35bb6d

Remind me of xymox cache as sub in gambit, spamming bp and having trinket 1st source of dmg. Good old times

[strange python]

yeah that augury pumps in m+ in my experience lol

[faint path]

Dh 3 button + passive trinket half of the their damage what a good class 😄

[valid shadow]

Omg am I an idiot for thinking envenom was a dot?

This skill text tricked the hell out of me

I feel slightly embarrassed

[sonic schooner]

40 to 60% of their dps is just passivs link to their buttons

[strange python]

[sonic schooner]

Wording or wow spells can be confusing sometimes, we all fell idiot at some point reading something wrong

[valid shadow]

It's cos of the time after it but obviously that's the buff time

[sonic schooner]

Like what is considered poisons is sometimes tricky

[valid shadow]

I feel most of the dmg is bleed?

[fierce ice]

to all branch enjoyers, how do you guys see/track the orb when it's so hectic especially in m+?

[strange python]

I basically run to the first one....and then I either ignore it alltogether, or I just make sure the third one hits me around the time I'm shiv'ing

[manic quartz]

just go front right then strafe left and just wait the last orb hit you

[glass junco]

Wait, is this right? the AP build plays without crimson tempest? I took the build from zerocool and it doesnt have it

[sonic schooner]

It is right

[strange python]

that's literally ST build with IC over Dashing

arterial shock is build from wowhead guide in m+ section

[blazing jewel]

What

[sonic schooner]

it s a more ST focus build that does well in aoe as well (we dont need aoe as long as dh aint nerfed)

[blazing jewel]

I made it through an hour of Tswift before I had to put hardstyle on

[sonic schooner]

in 24 25 i sometimes dont find time to press CT anyway, i just put dots, try to start CD / envenom chain. And the pack is already dead within the 5 next seconds

[gusty mirage]

we started our pull count at 1000 and are counting down

[blazing jewel]

That’s good tech

[pale wave]

Should we be holding our second dm/kb for burn phase on gnarlroot? Or always on cd?

[blazing jewel]

We did the seeds correctly in p2 and one of our officers was like HOLY SHIT WE ACTUALLY DID IT

[blazing jewel]

Should line up normally

[slim hamlet]

We still don't know what makes slice and dice useless?

It legit healing 8k on a 5.5 min fight

[gusty mirage]

it took us like 20 pulls to stop being blinded by all the fucking moonfires

[blazing jewel]

You’ll learn all of his voice lines really quick

[gusty mirage]

I feel like I need to wear sun glasses or something

because I literally can see a fucking thing man

I don't play with dialogue on

unlucky

[blazing jewel]

There was a good moment last night

[sonic schooner]

Use ink potion

[gusty mirage]

ink potion doesn't even help

[blazing jewel]

Where I asked someone smash or pass tindral sageswift

They responded with “what form”

[sonic schooner]

It s what made me able to watch jpc, without this i just wouldnt have watched a single pull

[gusty mirage]

they need to do something about the visuals

like if they just took the texture for the moonfires

and deleted the file

that'd be great

[blazing jewel]

Or you know the other 10000 things that lag that fight

[gusty mirage]

wdym I love dropping from 120 fps to 12

it's great

[blazing jewel]

Have you flown through the trees going to platform two yet

[gusty mirage]

brother

fly through the trees?

[blazing jewel]

They full seize your frames

Like the leaves

[gusty mirage]

I had to turn my raid settings to 1

[blazing jewel]

It zooms your camera in a bit

[gusty mirage]

and that stopped me from freezing up

[blazing jewel]

And you drop to a slideshow

[gusty mirage]

and I drop down to 30 fps

maybe my PC isn't good enough

[blazing jewel]

Yea or it’s just the fight

Couldn’t possibly be the fight right

[gusty mirage]

my 7950x, 32GB of DRR5 RAM and 3070 aren't good enough ig

[blazing jewel]

The boss doesn’t stand still in place for 2s every pull because of the lag either

[frank trout]

Only 32gb in 2023

[blazing jewel]

@bleak sky fuck tindral sageswift you feel me

[strange python]

As long as it looks like this in logs, you're doing good:

[frank trout]

How do you keep 40 chrome tabs and discord and wow and a secret second game all running at once

[bleak sky]

i'd fuck tswift

[blazing jewel]

[fierce ice]

yeah so wait like 7 or so secs before grabbing the 3rd orb right?

[gusty mirage]

says the guy prolly using ddr 4 still

[frank trout]

Hell nah

[blazing jewel]

[strange python]

yeah you just wanna make sure you have 3 for the end of the KB

[fierce ice]

Thanks!

[tacit charm]

so im very confused, im not sure if im doing something wrong, but my caustic spatter dmg is INSANLY low compared to like the top logs and other stuff, im Sulfinrng

and then this is just one of the top logs that I found

[mystic fractal]

Hi guys, pretty bad dadgamer rogue looking to see if I have any obvious flailings and failings from my guild's first step into heroic last night, got thru smolderon down. Volocross has so little going on I was sure it would go better, but I got dunked by our other assa rogue, who had like dozens more mut casts than me somehow? Could anyone give me a look on this and see if I'm missing something big? (I'm stabspacho) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bnMRFcydHGXwJTKf#fight=23&type=damage-done

He also has me by 9 ilvl which is prob a lot of it

[chrome mirage]

Does IC consider nearby enemies to be the ones closest to me or my target when it's choosing new rup/garr targets?

[tacit charm]

I assume your stabspacho in logs?

[gleaming spire]

Just at a quick glance I see you aren't envenoming before deathmark, also dance before kingsbane

[mystic fractal]

bless u both

[tacit charm]

yea the main this is just getting your opener correct

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gleaming spire]

Vanish the last 3 seconds of kingsbane as well

And shiv before dance kinsbane

[tacit charm]

and you tea when kingsbane is at 5 seconds

[gleaming spire]

Check out whispyrs video on the opener and whack the dummy for a bit it will come easier and increase damage a lot

[gusty mirage]

the short answer? both, it checks range around the target and you

that's why its a little fucky sometimes

[chrome mirage]

[marsh sundial]

i wanted to ask, you have to vanish + garrote 3 sec before kigsbane ends and i understand that, but do i need to refresh my garrote 3 sec before kingsbane end even when vanish is in cd? or doesnt matter?

[chrome mirage]

Thanks

[gleaming spire]

Yeah it's OK to garrote first global of that vanish unless you need to keep envenom up first

[chrome mirage]

Makes more sense now, I thought I was going fucking crazy.

[gleaming spire]

https://youtu.be/pUCMW1aJUZs?si=CPy0CRXCv2CaawP_ this can explain a lot better

But once you get this + pooling down you will have significantly better damage

[gusty mirage]

I noticed it a few weeks ago, and I was like I swear part of this is working like blade flurry and part of it is working like replicating

then it was confirmed

I thought I was imagining shit too

[chrome mirage]

Jank is the rogue way

[icy acorn]

hybrid or arterial for rise?

[whole plaza]

Quick question, what's a good mastery % goal?

[spice spire]

Whatever the robot says

[dark token]

zerowho?

[spice spire]

Don’t aim for specific breakpoint to

[tardy nacelle]

Hi, I was raiding heroic 1st time, and I am not sure what am I doing wrong or maybe I am lacking gear soo much, but I cannot parse more then grey xdd
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/78130198

Can someone take a look and give me some advice or tips?

[split cipher]

Don't have time for a deep dive but you should look into when you use Caustic Spatter over internal bleeding

it's a good amount of damage for cleave

[finite echo]

that has to be like the very bottom of a long check list of advice to give when someone is gray parsing

[split cipher]

apologies friend

[limpid ridge]

Pugging HC is fun yes yes

[limpid ridge]

My man, what are you doing all fight long with a 92% uptime

[strange python]

gottta spec dat acro

when you suck as bad as me, you need that range

[limpid ridge]

Looking at Gnarl in specific

[spice spire]

First hit of advice is to make sure you read the guide. Your opener is way off. You’re missing a major step on the process of it all. Your uptime is low in general so you gotta sim to be as close as possible

You’re also wasting a lot of CP in general

[fervent jasper]

Is it safe to macro on use trinket to kingsbane?

[spice spire]

That seems aggressive, it’s not meant to be

[strange python]

safe'ish - prolly best is DM

[spice spire]

Since you do SD too, probably better to dm

[fervent jasper]

Ok

[slim pebble]

I did the last boss in a 22 WM without an offhand weapon and we still timed it…. It was broken because it was the most cursed run ever. Is this the easiest season yet?

[limpid ridge]

Fort is always free with those affixes

[strange python]

Unless you wipe 5 times in a row on the same pull in tott

f my life

[limpid ridge]

Ah yes

[strange python]

like bruh - i get you're a warrior but

[limpid ridge]

The tank I had yesterday had the glorious idea to pull the entire room before 1st boss

[strange python]

you just got one shot like the last 3 times you pulled that

you think you wanna keep doing it

we still only missed the timer by probably 30 sec

[limpid ridge]

I thought group is gonna los

[strange python]

it was that pack with the dot and the patting pack before the bosses

[limpid ridge]

Yikes

Idk pug tanks annoy the shit out of me with spiteful anyways

[strange python]

our dmg was so garbage too

[limpid ridge]

I like not having restealth all dungeon long

[strange python]

f'in lovin that zerocool build though

[limpid ridge]

Thats kinda ass with an aug

ye

[strange python]

crimson tempest be damned

[limpid ridge]

9/10 times I forget that I have crimson lmao

[strange python]

lol

[limpid ridge]

You get a dot! And you get a dot! And Caustic fun begins - looks at WA and see's Crimson midway through the pack

[strange python]

I dunno this is the best sin has ever been in m+

truly enjoying this season

[limpid ridge]

First time playing any rogue

sin is hella fun

Coming from fury and ret

[strange python]

the rogue toolkit in general is just so versatile

like i never have to really run from a spiteful

i'm either shotting it in the kidney, or evasion tanking like 3 of them or whatever

[slate crown]

Which build?

[loud dome]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gaunt sigil]

Rip fury

[limpid ridge]

Man

They did Fury dirty

[strange python]

It's just ST spatter build but with IC instead of Dashing really

[gaunt sigil]

Annhil build

[slate crown]

Probably only effective on high keys yeah?

[limpid ridge]

I miss SL Fury

Shit was fun as fuck

[strange python]

I dunno really...but i've been pumping with it...and having a lot of fun.

[gaunt sigil]

Spear

[limpid ridge]

Spear into Aggro into Death

[gaunt sigil]

Im a spear hater

[slate crown]

Right

[limpid ridge]

Spear Macrod with Rek and Tierset was a fun gamble to press

[gaunt sigil]

The warrior way, ripping agro, dying, blaming tank

[limpid ridge]

Either you die due to tank not having aggro or you rip

[slate crown]

So you put a bunch of eggs in the KB basket

[strange python]

It'd be nice to have CT i guess, but dont have two points to get it

[slate crown]

Which is great if trash mobs live long enough

[gaunt sigil]

I swear now I watch warriors leap and OF before I even touched half the mobs in a pack and get the entire pack of agro

[strange python]

I pretty much run tricks everywhere

[limpid ridge]

Idk I dont see any wars outside of raids

[strange python]

I've seen some slapper fury in keys

[gaunt sigil]

Arms is unplayable, fury is a horrendous build, and the only redeeming factor about prot is Spell Reflect

[strange python]

The only redeeming factor about fury - is 2 2 handers

[gaunt sigil]

Rip sparks

And mats in general

[strange python]

i shoulda boosted a warrior instead of a hunter

[gaunt sigil]

Cause holy flightstones

[limpid ridge]

2 2hs is the only reason why Fury is even played

[strange python]

at least i'd probably do world stuff every week on a warrior

[limpid ridge]

Classfantasy stronk

[slate crown]

I started getting my fury up, it was my main in 10.1 for the first half

And I don't have the new set yet

[limpid ridge]

And tbh 2x Tae is just

[strange python]

can you buy another 70 boost? and does it come with 424?

[slate crown]

and I'm still enjoying myself because I enjoy AM/Rav

[gaunt sigil]

My warrior is just there to boost plate alts to 450 now

[slate crown]

so I'm not looking forward to the new set

Once I get the new set

i'm going to sim AM/Rav/OF vs the new build

[strange python]

Also, would you get the back-dated charges from catalyst?

[slate crown]

with the new set

to see how much of a loss it is

[limpid ridge]

Do I play my vulp hunter or do I level a new one

[slate crown]

because if it's like 2-3% I'm just going to say fuck it and play old style

with OF added

[slate crown]

Yes, charges are global

[gaunt sigil]

I think it’s like 9% iirc

Don’t quote me though

[slate crown]

Oh no 😦

[surreal citrus]

roll a vulp rogue

[placid kraken]

Blizz usually releases the changes late afternoon on Fridays correct?

[limpid ridge]

Already playing one

[surreal citrus]

arknights emote spotted

[limpid ridge]

[gusty raptor]

Ola all to be sure you only use twice Garrot in the shadow bain window if you have vanish (one use after first envenum and before the rupture and then the second one just after vanish) if not you just spam envenum ?

[fickle obsidian]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[plain onyx]

guys are we obliged to envenom on 4cp ? or it doesnt matter as long as it's either on 4 or full cp ?

[pine ice]

does shadow dance enable indiscriminate carnage

[rotund jungle]

somone got the KB Training WA ?

[strange python]

is it the notter one?

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[steel geyser]

4cp or more

[plain onyx]

thanks

[rotund jungle]

yes thank u

[spice surge]

Yes while shadow dance is up IC is active

[rotund jungle]

is there any reason to bind Ambush sepretly from mut? or let me say, is thewre any point when u have an Blindside proc and u dont wanna use it ?

[rose harness]

No

[spice surge]

You cant use mutilate with blindside procced

[strange python]

Just put ambush where mut is on your stealth bar

[rotund jungle]

ye i have

[plain onyx]

mutilate converts automatically to ambush when Blindside proccs

[rotund jungle]

i know i know i just remember that at some point whysper said something like that

[strange python]

it was probably about mutilating during dance or something

[rotund jungle]

cause before blizzard changed the button system u had an extra button for ambush

[kind forge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[strange python]

Mythic track upgrades to 496?

[spice surge]

489

[strange python]

Heroic goes to 483 right?

[spice surge]

Yes

[strange python]

That's not THAT BIG of a difference

I'm getting 2 pieces of mythic track this week so far so we'll see what i get

[queen mango]

It wasnt last season either

441 vs 447

[strange python]

yeah enough to matter (on the collective whole), but not enough that like 1 slot really matters

well maybe wep matters

[hollow stone]

6ilvl in every slot definitely adds up

[strange python]

yeah

[hollow stone]

so it depends on your definition of not much :p

[strange python]

i guess like if my chest was 489 or my chest was 483 - i don't think i'd do any markable amount of damage difference lol

[brisk snow]

does anyone else feel extremely energy starved with the m+ hybrid build?

[strange python]

i used to til i shelved that build

arterial m+ is a lot better (make sure newer build with venom rush and blindside)

[brisk snow]

ah

[fallen ginkgo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim hamlet]

Guys new tech

Prestack 2set with fok a couple of times before pull

for +2dps

[manic quartz]

i've actually done this

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[manic quartz]

i have question for which i think i know the answer but ill ask anyway, You have your bleeds up and youre used your CD's but still high on energy because what ever factors, and you chain your envenoms, its ok to chain your envenom at 1sec left remaining OR if you are about to come energy capped then just slam it right?

[slim hamlet]

if you are overcapping u press it no matter the timer

[manic quartz]

yeah thats what i thought

[slim hamlet]

otherwise u are pooling for nuffing

[bitter roost]

hey question was probably asked a million times but if i cant get a Pi in my raid is it worth switching from outlaw to assa still? mind you not just straight sim dps but its a big switch in gear, trinkets crafts etc, is there a significant benefit? RL is looking at logs and its all assa but i dont know if this is valid without PI

[strange python]

If you go over 240 energy - send your envenom regardless of how much time you have left.

[manic quartz]

just play what you find the most fun imo, if your raid leader is worth their shit you should get PI granted it does not go waste when thrown on you 😄

[naive crane]

yo guys, is the bis list for sin on wowhead still up to date?

[fervent jasper]

Is this your opinion or is there a general consensus that the arterial build is better?

[manic quartz]

they are very similiar, just play one you want imo, not huge difference in dps at all what i head from here

[bitter roost]

i mean i like rogue regardless so i dont mind playing either but dont really wanna do that switch just to find out it was uselss and just took a PI from someone that their PI dps + my outlaw would be more essnetially. Also its more that we dont have consistent priests

[manic quartz]

i play arterial tho. 😄

[strange python]

I've never run a poll - but I don't much care what "a majority" thinks. I'm guessing if someone enjoys blindside - they will have a smiliar opinion that it's better - just based on feel alone.

[limpid ridge]

Just act like PI doesnt exist

[fervent jasper]

Arterial looks like it would be lacking on ST

Compared to the other one

[royal lantern]

fok?

you mean double feint into crimson vial

doesnt even break stealth

[strange python]

I basically run ST build in m+ anyway - but if i had to choose between arterial and hybrid - i'm running arterial every time.

Fort week or not, the bosses still have to die.

[fervent jasper]

Can you share you talent tree

Your*

[fervent jasper]

Ty

I'll give it a try

[manic quartz]

i also think arterial shiv doesnt go waste as much if you KB target dies early because there is still mobs with shiv effects on them so they get increased bleed/nature dmg taken

[strange python]

if i run into a problem with this build (i dont think I will) I'll switch to arterial. But my goal is only everything on 20-21 this season so.

[harsh anchor]

TTK and not iron wire?

[strange python]

oh yeah i troll there

[manic quartz]

always ironwire in m+

[strange python]

prolly swap that one hah

[manic quartz]

so good

[arctic socket]

Iron wire is the main reason why people take me in groups I think

[limpid ridge]

Pugs dont know what iron wire does

[strange python]

yeah i swapped that a while ago and forgot i did

[limpid ridge]

All pugs see is huge dps bar

[strange python]

prolly for hitting dummies

[fervent jasper]

Wait what you're not playing sudden demise? That's a flat 10% bleed damage buff

[strange python]

nah

not enough points to get it

[slim hamlet]

5Head

[arctic socket]

You don’t take sudden demise? Or scent

[slim hamlet]

Gonna use this to go from grey logging to greylogging

[arctic socket]

Dos that build preform decent?

[strange python]

your 10 will be an 11

[solemn mason]

You basic let caustic splat do work

[strange python]

yeah i smash

if you like 500k openers on bosses, etc

seems aight

it might be troll though, i duno

[fervent jasper]

Yeah that looks kinda sus

[arctic socket]

Imma test it out

In my 13 fall

[strange python]

yeah i mean don't do it

i never run out of energy

just slamming envenoms lol

[fervent jasper]

A 13 is too low to do any testing as assass

Everything will die before your dots can tick

[strange python]

i've only run it on like 17's and up

you gotta be good with KB usage and DM too

you can't just play it and zug zug

[grizzled storm]

Nah that build is super good for all keys on tyra week and also on fort with dungeons like Fall, DHT, AD, ToT, (dungeons with small pulls)

[finite echo]

[strange python]

it slaps in big pulls too though

like cuastic and poison bomb, envenoms, it's ridiculous the numbers with no cooldown

s

like those swell mobs in TOTT - those pulls are ridiculous

[finite echo]

how many times you gonna post details of a failed 18

[strange python]

Not sure

obviously we failed it cause of rogue dmg right

not cause we had 28 deaths

[finite echo]

unironically you probably did

[grizzled storm]

Did a 22 DHT the other night with the cleave build

[strange python]

unironically, what is your problem with me?

[grizzled storm]

Destroyed on boss damage

[heavy roost]

Do you use shiv outside of kb and dm? If so when?

[limpid ridge]

no

always 2 shivs inside kb

[heavy roost]

How about window when kb is up but dm isn’t?

[limpid ridge]

even then?

You're wasting charges

if you dont

[heavy roost]

Thx

[limpid ridge]

Shiv has 30seconds cd, kb 1 min, dm 2min

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wERGi4tBSwSvu3g3KLwCBi my dslice is telling me don't take sudden demise

[spice surge]

The executes arent included in the sims

[strange python]

you shiv twice with KB

[spice surge]

Because they cant be accurately simmed

[dark token]

I thought they were added at some point when the sim DPS jumped up but I never checked

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Jyb2HZ1wBzD83vPV#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3

It's kinda low on my hybrid build setup anyway

[strange python]

dslice will also tell you this ST/IC build without CT is better.

[worthy bear]

hey everyone, how come that the wowhead/whispyr talents, the fuu spreadsheet and the mplus.subcreation.com talent builds all differ? which one do you play in m+ (with 4p)?

[arctic portal]

huh i always thought you could shiv during the KB cd window and be fine, i guess i'll sit on shiv until there's two charges for KB from now on

[fallow acorn]

I play shock

[strange python]

If you always shiv before KB - and shiv with 8 sec remaining in KB - you always have both shivs FOR kb

ie. no waiting/sitting

[worthy bear]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#mythicplus-build-arterial-shock so this one?

[fallow acorn]

yup

[arctic portal]

Yeah i'm saying i've been doing it wrong and shiving 30 seconds before kb came up, so i knew i would have one during the KB

[limber lion]

Just play whatever you want. Bloodmallet has comparisons for many of the popular builds

[fallow acorn]

I don't play super high keys tho - I've only done 20/21's

[worthy bear]

any idea why subcreation has lots of people playing this? https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVFRRFURQmJBQCURNVUVVVQZEAUKFUBE

[faint path]

worth it for aoe also I dont feel so much lack of st

[fallow acorn]

I think some people swap to hybrid on like 24+?

[fervent jasper]

What's the cleave build?

[limber lion]

Subcreation is shit

[limber lion]

Just takr VR/Blindside with the AP build

[grizzled storm]

Same as raid build but you take IC

[strange python]

and spatter

[grizzled storm]

And caustic of course

[fallow acorn]

for splatting

[strange python]

if you wanna spat

[fallow acorn]

waft the splat

[dark token]

What's wrong with this

[strange python]

splat the spat

[dark token]

Standard hybrid build?

[faint path]

Also I think sandglass is over simming literally

[grizzled storm]

I'm currently a crab enjoyer

[hallow walrus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

I need a decent m+ trinket though

is egg shell even good in m+

[dark token]

🦀 bis m+ trinket 🦀

[faint path]

I have ashes, sandglass, branch, crab tbh Im enjoying so much playing ashes + branch or branch + crab

[dark token]

🦀 Agi, mastery, and avoidance 🦀

🦀 everything you could ever need 🦀

[fallow acorn]

ashes + branch?!

[strange python]

where's that drop from

the crab

[spice surge]

Throne

[strange python]

alright i gotta try and get one then

[faint path]

Im enjoying soooo much 6k agi when its finish 5k mastery bom bom bom

[brazen zodiac]

speed kinda cool too 🦀

[fallow acorn]

two on use trinkets I'm calling the cops

[brazen zodiac]

15% we zoomin

[dark token]

This build was simming best for me until I got the t31 4p now hybrid sims best

[fallow acorn]

"we got a guy over here pressing too many trinkets, we need a mental health check"

[strange python]

this game is lucky i'm using ONE on-use

[fallow acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cops-shooting-op-cop-fear-this-cop-he-will-show-no-mercy-gif-25171440

[fervent jasper]

I have the egg shell. What trinket should I farm next? Branch?

[faint path]

ashes + branch ❤️

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

[dark token]

I'm currently farming mirror for smolderon prog

[faint path]

hahahaha

[slate crown]

🦀 You must embrace your final destination, your final form. Eventually, we are all 🦀
🦀 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation 🦀

[quiet oar]

I literally thought there would be ahuge wall of Text

After you typed 5 Minutes straight

[slate crown]

@twilit hollow @runic hinge
Kingsbane timer updated with custom sound support. You can now enter a custom file path to play custom sounds.
https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

[slate crown]

I was typing other things

[thorn fjord]

Nice

[slate crown]

Then I saw the crab mention and had to go back

[thorn fjord]

Fart for second shiv

and a gag for Vanish

hell yeah

[quiet oar]

[clever sapphire]

did you sim with all raidbuffs? because changing to no raidbuffs changed what simmed highest to me

[honest verge]

Where can I look at the BISes and the stas? because according to the page and different wologs players they change

[fervent jasper]

This seems to conflict either the WoWhead rotation guide which says to shiv and dance before pressing kingsbane

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

It doesn't conflict

You Dance before kingsbane. The Dance Tick is for when dance ends not when you cast dance

The Shiv tick is your second shiv. You cast 2 of them

[fervent jasper]

Got it

Ty

[slate crown]

The dance tick is to tell you "After this point, switch from ambush to mutilate" if you're someone who uses them on two different buttons. If you aren't, you can disable the tick

Or, "Don't garrote after this tick"

[rose patio]

Apart from Kingsbane/SD macro is there any other one to use in Sin ? Went to IV & wowhead guide but, it's just to be sure :p

I mean useful dps only macro, not trick one or others

[sweet dawn]

I macro pot and branch to DM

Apart from that not really

[slim hamlet]

guys

It finally happened to me

[grave meadow]

Ya getting parried sucks !

[slim hamlet]

I was so cojnfused why it didnt show on aura

and then I realised

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[echo island]

My entire kingsbane cast got parried yesterday during council mythic fight 🥲

[robust scaffold]

is kingsbane confirmed getting nerfed or are mfs in my group talking out their asses

[slate crown]

[slim hamlet]

nothing confirmed

Why is kb able to be parried

just why

[echo island]

Dunno

[turbid hornet]

is there a version of this macro /cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, stance:1/2/3] Ambush ; Sinister Strike for Assassination?

[lofty junco]

don't u love it getting m+ loot on slots where u ahve already crafted gear....

[slim hamlet]

infinite boots and belts yea

[lofty junco]

exactly what happened to me in tott...boots

[rugged sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[grim jay]

dang the belt craft

[idle radish]

anyone have issues with garrote tracking on plater? I add it to my debuff tracking list, but it wont show up

[grim jay]

the simplest solution would be to just use cevs or whispyrs awesome plater profile

and go from there

[granite scaffold]

It happened to me 2 times on iridkron 😂

[idle radish]

but i very much like my nameplates

[strange python]

Does Improved Garrote get it's own debuff? never looked.

mine tracks fine

[grim jay]

you can change the visuals on them aswell, they just have all the tracking stuff done

and the removal of unnecessary stuff

[strange python]

maybe same debuff name, different spellid even? no clue

[idle radish]

i use a very customized m+ plater with kicks and timers and stuff

[grim jay]

uh okey

im not that fancy with my plater profiles

[strange python]

very customized plater that can't track Garrote

[thorn fjord]

Cause fuck you that’s why

[pliant gazelle]

What count as "Poison Damage" for Caustic Spatter ? Our lethal poison obviously, anything else ?

[strange python]

all nature damage

[slow needle]

A little damage ability called Kingsbane 🙂

[lime crypt]

do we just macro branch to deathmark?

[rotund idol]

What buffs does evoker align with our burst rotation?

[slim hamlet]

I just think it's better in every way

[lime crypt]

also, is there like a branch weakaura?

[slim hamlet]

https://wago.io/4Q2L1LNd5/3

[spice spire]

Many

[slim hamlet]

This is like needed imo

makes it very very easy

[unique sorrel]

i know LE's got their pack with it

but i feel we need a !branch command lmao

[spice spire]

It’ll just me saying get good

[strange python]

yeah and it should include memz picture

[unique sorrel]

[grim jay]

care to elaborate?

[strange python]

how are new peopel suposed to get it without memz diagram

[slim hamlet]

Anyone know how to turn off plater for specific mobs or something

[lofty junco]

Internet gone while rise tyr fight .....

[slim hamlet]

Saw someone talk about doing it for the roots on tindral

[unique sorrel]

theres a few scripts that can do it

i need to butcher the Morchie one someday for roots

unless someone beat me to it

but looking at literally anything written in LUA makes me hate existing

[hexed willow]

I posted it

[slim hamlet]

More of desired stat early + stamina and whatever + Engineering wrists

It might be a .01% worse in bis

I am fine with that

[hexed willow]

https://wago.io/eDUdpOkg2 and the ID is 211306

Works perfectly, no frame rate drop

[thorn fjord]

I gotta remember to download this when I get home

I was just sending it last night not doing any of the movement

[slim hamlet]

Seeing which you've taken if you are able to like create the space in your mind

it's so easy

[thorn fjord]

Taking that .5 loss

[unique sorrel]

this is why you gotta make an empty ass discord server just to dump random neat shit to yourself

[lime crypt]

Thanks gigachad

[thorn fjord]

Seriously… I wish disc worked like slack where I can message myself

[rose patio]

So simply this way ?

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/use Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power
/cast Deathmark
(13 is branch)

[slate crown]

You can

@slate crown

[unique sorrel]

i really should macro pot to my DM

[sweet dawn]

Yup

[thorn fjord]

Haha I was actually considering doing that but didn’t wanna bother you @slate crown

[unique sorrel]

but i hate using pot on non-important pulls

[slate crown]

Then in search do "from:lisonna mentions:lisonna

[hexed willow]

Youre gonna go through like 20 pots a dungeon

[unique sorrel]

but i also forget that all the time

gold is fake money

we spend that shit

[thorn fjord]

Don’t use the macro in your m+ set

Ez

[dark crag]

I macroed the cauldron ones to cds

[unique sorrel]

i was up 200k last night in raid gambling

[hexed willow]

Maybe I do that with [instance:raid] modifier and never deathmark trash

[unique sorrel]

then lost it all

two deathrolls and i was back to being even

[slate crown]

Also my aura has sounds and stuff, don't know if the Lowii's does, Sounds for pickups are essential imo https://wago.io/q7bHLuILp

[unique sorrel]

it does a little water drop sound iirc

[proven jasper]

The pickup sound is goated

so good

Definitely makes it 1000x easier

[unique sorrel]

the circle marks are SUPER goated

[slate crown]

yeah just plant feet and wait for bloop

[thorn fjord]

Game already sounds like a slot machine during encounters. lol

[proven jasper]

HAHAH same

[unique sorrel]

i will say

[proven jasper]

I got horns and bells going offf

[thorn fjord]

Horns bells whistles gun shots dings

[unique sorrel]

if i have to step from boss-to-boss and forget about my orbs one more time on Council im going to scream

i said it last night but FUCK that boss

[thorn fjord]

Can the orbs dissipate if you don’t grab them?

[proven jasper]

Council is just chaos

[unique sorrel]

its so little fun

[proven jasper]

Its not even hard just pure chaos

And unfun yes

[unique sorrel]

i cant fucking wait for Larodar/Smolderon prog

[thorn fjord]

The duck shit is stupid

It was funny the first time around

[slate crown]

Yes, 20sec. The bar in my aura lasts until they are gone

[proven jasper]

Larodar sucks to be melee

ngl

Without acro too

[unique sorrel]

my sanity broke yesterday and every wipe i just started spamming "quack" in saychat

[dark token]

can you cloak off being ducked

never tried

[thorn fjord]

You gotta do it before hand

[slate crown]

You can't when you are ducked

[unique sorrel]

cloak exists solely to dispel myself or survive a few early ticks from the DoT from the grass shit

also hearing our two evokers talking about ducking eachother was funny for about the first 15 mins

then it was brain damaging

[thorn fjord]

Fucking quackers

[proven jasper]

[raven bloom]

so to my understanding Crit mastery and haste are all relatively equal for sin rogues with vers be least desired, is there a recommended amount or crit that i should stay under i.e. 33% 35% or something ? in terms of anythign more isnt really be benificial? and please dont say sim your character

[unique sorrel]

[thorn fjord]

I’m a philanthropist now btw… keep getting other people loot in fall

It’s a simple life

[unique sorrel]

you cannot say "dont say sim yourself"

its quite literally the answer

[rose patio]

Do I need to put both ambush and mutilate in classic & stealth bar or only ambush in stealth mode and mutilate in classic bar as it switch to ambush when blindside proc ?

[unique sorrel]

its build, gear, and skill dependent

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[cerulean nest]

the second DM where you have to do it on the move is hilarious

literally jumping back into fire to grab third branch orb and stepping back lol

[proven jasper]

Bro im literallt cloaking so i can dps during my cds there LMAO

[raven bloom]

and this reminds me why discord is useless for questions

[proven jasper]

so i can just run through the fire

[strange python]

[unique sorrel]

i am sorry that the correct answer is not one you like

unfortunately

[thorn fjord]

It’s only useless because you didn’t like the answer

[unique sorrel]

there is nothing we can do about that

[raven bloom]

any question that anyone ever has all you do is scapegoat it and say sim yourself thats not answerign the question im not askign to min max im asking a general qusetion

[strange python]

he lookin to fight bros

that IS the answer

one could be like 12 dps higher than the other.

At different times

[unique sorrel]

there is no "simple answer", stats are near the same and unless you care about minmaxing the stats dont matter anyway

[raven bloom]

simming does nothign when i dotn ahve multiple sets of gear

[unique sorrel]

and if you do care about minmax

you'd jsut go sim

[raven bloom]

so no simming does nothing

[thorn fjord]

You can sim pieces of gear you dont have

To help plan for what you want

Etc etc

[subtle kiln]

all 4 stats are good. what gear you have changes the order. math figures that out. robot does the math.

[unique sorrel]

droptomizer exists

[thorn fjord]

so siming does something

Also droptimizer

[slate crown]

But like

[spice spire]

Our stats fluctuate on priority based on the here you are everywhere else. The only way to maximize your character is to sim yourself.
There are no breakpoints where z becomes garbage. No time where you rush x% or y stat

[strange python]

droptimizer, gear compare, or you can paste the string into top gear even

[spice spire]

Iykyk

Piece drops

Top gear that bitch

Damn

[slate crown]

Simming only helps you if you are picking your stats somehow. If you have a piece of gear and it is an item level upgrade, you should just take it

[thorn fjord]

And its all dependent on your particular gear set

[slate crown]

Don't have to sim it

just take it

wear it

[spice spire]

I refuse

[raven bloom]

i dotn care about min maxing im never goign to do mythic raid yet alone hardly heroic or anything higher than 15s on rogue simply putting why i asked if there was a point in which crit is goign to be far less valuable at aWhat % just liek frost mages crit is main stat but pretty but useless after 33-35% becuase of shatter

[unique sorrel]

the only time i think ive ever gone for % breakpoints is pvp healing so that my casts feel less booty

[slate crown]

Answer is no

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[spice spire]

No there isn’t

Mastery craters If you have branch, but you still want mastery

[cerulean nest]

yeah but how much crit

[thorn fjord]

Branch fucked up my whole gear set tbh

[subtle kiln]

34% crit. stop lying you bastards.

[thorn fjord]

was kind of annoying

[spice spire]

So it Involves mastery

[spice spire]

Old meme boomer

[unique sorrel]

i just take the stuff with more agi ngl

[slate crown]

If you don't care about min maxing. Take Ilvl upgrades, pick the stat you like most for your gems/enchants, and you will do just fine.

[spice spire]

That was almost 4 years ago

[finite echo]

i dotn care about min maxing

if there was a point in which crit is goign to be far less valuable at aWhat %

[slate crown]

that's it, make it easy

[finite echo]

[cerulean nest]

my sims are vers perverts now

[strange python]

I have 49% crit lol and it feels fine to me. I didn't sim it once.

[thorn fjord]

Same kindof

[subtle kiln]

hanging out in a game you don’t play spec channel boomer meme

[unique sorrel]

time for everyone to drop their stat weights

[subtle kiln]

spec is too meta for Wuake.

[spice spire]

Brother I’ve log reviewed

I’m beyond help

[thorn fjord]

@cerulean nest look at my OL M+ stat distro's lol

[subtle kiln]

have Rokley ban you.

[spice spire]

I might

[thorn fjord]

[pliant remnant]

guys what is the absolute perfect amount of crit and mastery i need to get a rank 1 on every raid fight while i tie my hands behind my back pls answer me oh and don't say sim yourself

[strange python]

jeez 5% leech?

[slate crown]

about 5

[thorn fjord]

we dont need no leech

[slate crown]

Wait, yeah no, it's 5

[spice spire]

0

[pliant remnant]

thank you very much

[subtle kiln]

you only need access to OT. with the amount of time you waste in here you may as well raid

[unique sorrel]

leech goes brrrrt

[runic hinge]

Don't leave meeeeee

[plain thicket]

how do recover energy on sudden demise + dragon-tempered blades build?
i feel like blindside proc helps so much on energy 😦

[unique sorrel]

[spice spire]

Haven’t seen my computer in over a month

[thorn fjord]

Y'all got a ton of crit

[strange python]

i'm a critting machine

[unique sorrel]

be in AoE or cry and !pooling

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[strange python]

every fok is like full CP's

[runic hinge]

Must feel soo good

[subtle kiln]

restrict access to discord on the phone

[thorn fjord]

my sin stats arent as good looking as my OL

[strange python]

dang yeah you drop a lot of vers

[unique sorrel]

god i need to farm a hero track nick and branch still

[strange python]

pft

[unique sorrel]

i do not like this

[strange python]

i aint farmin that

if it comes to me in vault or by luck, so beit

[unique sorrel]

my vaults have been such mega ass

[strange python]

We're literally done raiding so - we'll do like however many mythic bosses we can put on farm friday nights, and that's it.

and that's beer night so

my guild is the best

[thorn fjord]

We start council prog sunday

WEEEEEEE

[strange python]

part of me misses mythic and part of me doesn't

[thorn fjord]

I wasnt feeling raiding last night

But it comes and goes

[cursive frost]

Tbh I much prefer this raid over last two

[thorn fjord]

yeah i hated last tier

S1 wasnt awful tho

[strange python]

yeah i dunno if the tuning is "lower" on heroic - than previous xpacs?

[cursive frost]

S1 wasn’t bad but this tier is great

[thorn fjord]

This tier has been really easy as far as heroic is concerned