assassination

[slate crown]

Do you want any orb tracking at all? Like you only want the buff it gives but nothing about the orbs?

[cobalt gyro]

well yeah

simming with buffs tells me nothing if i'm trying to practice

you'll never get close

[weak vessel]

Did we got nerfed?

[acoustic pendant]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[arctic hare]

No.

[weak vessel]

Did they nerfed assa??????????

[mighty nexus]

[cobalt gyro]

it's possible we do next week

[arctic hare]

If we get nerfs, it’ll show up in the pins.

[cobalt gyro]

but unknown

[strange python]

oh well yeah that's your problem then - you're simming target dummy - so not many people really know their target dummy sim

[deft vault]

Not yet but nerfs are coming

[faint path]

nope

[manic quartz]

yes 1000%

[strange python]

'

nerf the spec that gets 10% from pi cause they're 10% ahead in top 95%

that makes sense

[mighty nexus]

I think we’ll be fine. You can hardly nerf something based off of logs jammed full of externals

[arctic hare]

Blizzards done it.

[jade hedge]

Yes same as it shows on standard ui in buffs just seconds inside icon not under. Don’t need other stuff with map and timestamps

[fervent marsh]

guys in aoe situation always want to maintain garrote and rupture on every target or just in the openers?

[cobalt gyro]

hope it's also bdk buffs

[gusty mirage]

you can for emergency soothes, but probably safe to just bank the charges just for KB

[sweet dawn]

I think generally you want to have 2 shivs for KB, you caaaaaaaaan shiv a pack if you have no CDs and save 1 charge for KB, but idk if that's a "I don't want to feel bad" thing because it reduces your next KBs damage

[cobalt gyro]

i'd argue its probably ok to throw a charge out here and there if you're with a group that never really lets you get a good KB off in aoe

as in it all dies before you can do it

[arctic hare]

Maintain bleeds

[strange python]

tf is this? Your little notepad or something?

[arctic hare]

It is what gives you energy regen in aoe

[sweet dawn]

If you know you're gonna be capping charges you can send a shiv probably

[slate crown]

Love dissociated, no context screenshots of text on screen

[cobalt gyro]

you can keep garrote on 3 max outside of stealth

so rupture yes

[balmy condor]

Oh boy

[fervent marsh]

so garrote,rupture and tempest

[deft vault]

Xoronic leaked this apparently

[balmy condor]

Another meaningless screenshot I get to delete

[slate crown]

[arctic hare]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Very cool thank you

[mighty nexus]

I called cap as soon as I read “warrior buffs”

[strange python]

someone that didn't know the difference between THEN and THAN apparently

[frigid pilot]

@balmy condor why did CT become so low prio on aoe, did they nerf the scaling dmg for it?

[strange python]

ie. not trustworthy

[balmy condor]

Wdym, it’s where it’s always been

[fervent marsh]

but then how i will do dmg from caustic spatter?:'D every has this top dmg in m+ but i just always put my dots up

[frigid pilot]

adding dance and kb kinda made it take more of a back seat too

imo

[balmy condor]

I mean okay

Cooldowns taking priority is fairly standard

They’re cooldowns

Kinda supposed to be better than non-cooldowns

[sick orbit]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[rapid meteor]

ty, i think this situation mostly arises because im still learning and def holding cds/using them on the wrong packs so i feel l ike i want the bleed amp on some harder packs (where i used my cds the pack before)

[cobalt gyro]

I rly need to figure out how to make my spatter WA track timer instead of just target so i don't need to brain

[balmy condor]

Also because I scroll up to delete the screenshot, PI in perfect conditions is 5%

[slate crown]

No, but now you're basically just talking about a very simple, single aura trigger with a %p and %s text. That's not something I need to make.

[balmy condor]

No need to overblow the importance of PI in the statistics

[strange python]

Sims like 9.7% increase for me - is the sim just borked?

[unique sorrel]

And evoker buffs 🙂

[strange python]

it says Beta i know that

[balmy condor]

No it’s not borked, it’s just not 9.7%

[strange python]

trust the sims though?

[arctic hare]

Kingsbane is a huge portion of damage for caustic spatter, so is your four set, so once you have your bleeds up, mutilate every 10 seconds for it and FoK with envenom for the rest of it,

[unique sorrel]

I don’t turn on PI mode for sims

[balmy condor]

I do trust the sims, I don’t trust you

[sweet dawn]

Yeah I think it just comes with time you know where you can/shouldn't send CDs so the whole "Do I shiv here?" Question becomes more infrequent

[slate crown]

[full solstice]

is this spec hella gear dependent or something bc im following rotation guide to a tee and my damage doesnt ramp up for shit

on ST

my burst gets me to like 150k dps then it falls off to 60-80k never ramps up with poisons or anything

and im too braindead to know whats not working

[balmy condor]

And the sims are saying 13k

[strange python]

PI

NO pi

[deft vault]

Pn dummy?

[slate crown]

Working in software, if literally anyone tells me X is happening with something I'm responsible for or very familiar with, I listen, appreciate the input, but will never believe it unless I reproduce it myself

[balmy condor]

That’s 10k you idiot

[strange python]

9.5% idiot

[slate crown]

[balmy condor]

Go back to fucking school lmao

[frigid pilot]

r most gigachads using arterial or dragontemp in m+?

[unique sorrel]

Did we just witness a math fail in real time?

[balmy condor]

You got a calculator on your pc

[full solstice]

damn now seems like a bad time to ask my braindead questions

[balmy condor]

Learn to use it

Holy fuck

[strange python]

lol

yu're right

5%

[full solstice]

ill come back when yall are done flaming

[strange python]

lol

[fervent marsh]

thanks:) I'm a little bit overwhelmed bcs of dots i just dotdotdot, and nothing happening with my evenom bcs i dont ahve time for that.. especially now bcs i cant always stealth bcs of shades.. and vanish is 2 min cd..:D

[slate crown]

Because this ^ happens, ALL THE TIME

[dawn anchor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[unique sorrel]

I use AP cause it feels better in PUGs, but I use DTB with my team

[balmy condor]

You’re fine, avih is just eternally allergic to reading sim numbers properly for some reason

[unique sorrel]

Both are fine

[sweet dawn]

The little robot man in the computer can play my char better than I can, I trust him

[strange python]

it is what it is - at least if i'm wrong to someone - it was to whispyr

[keen spruce]

Sir we all had to read it

[arctic hare]

Shadow dance can help immensely with that, and stealth isn’t nearly as important as you may think it is, I believe Whispyr has a video proving that it isn’t

[strange python]

sigh

[cobalt gyro]

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

I mean i feel stupid but

[full solstice]

okay well im gonna ask then, this is my damage over about a minute and im at least smart enough to know something is missing i just dont know what

[balmy condor]

Good, internalize that

[strange python]

I did the division and got 0.95 -- i musta done it backwards and obviously that means it's 95% of it...i took that to be (move the decimal point 9.5%)

[balmy condor]

Where tier

[full solstice]

what

[mighty nexus]

Maybe dot uptime ?

[balmy condor]

Your tier bonus

[cobalt gyro]

do you have tier

[balmy condor]

Where is it

[full solstice]

im at 3/4 tier set

[balmy condor]

[fervent marsh]

yeah but i want to use shadowdance with kingsbane

[full solstice]

is that the problem

[cobalt gyro]

4pc is very good

[balmy condor]

So feel like poisons

Are missing?

[frigid pilot]

feel like whispyr needs a secretary

[balmy condor]

Why is mut higher

[frigid pilot]

no cap

[arctic hare]

And you can, but once you shiv before shadow dance and then use kingsbane, you have the rest of the window to spread the extra bleeds you need to.

[lofty junco]

feels like without 4pc its impossible to get even close to havoc in keys....

[full solstice]

idk why i have 4 poisons applied

[keen spruce]

Poisons, sanguine blades

[frigid pilot]

bro i pugged 4p on 2 chars first 2 weeks, did u not get ksm yet?

[keen spruce]

[unique sorrel]

The power of prio damage baybeeeee

[fervent marsh]

thanks 🙂 for help!

[frigid pilot]

2 catalyst charges and the ksm freebie, u only need 1 tier from ANY mode

[unique sorrel]

Different damage profile

[mighty nexus]

Are you using talent setups from the wowhead guide ?

[arctic hare]

Np!

[frigid pilot]

not having 4p at this point is trolling

[full solstice]

yeah i got a single target one rn

[slate crown]

I did pug runs through every LFR boss available, AOTC, every week, and got 0 pieces of tier

[full solstice]

im 53 m+ away from my 4th piece leave me alone

[slate crown]

If I hadn't gotten tier shoulders out of vault

[full solstice]

53 rating

[slate crown]

I'd only be at 3 pc right now

[frigid pilot]

took me 4 hours doing 2v2 to 1600

mufukas doing 80 keys to get ksm

[balmy condor]

If there’s a ChatGPT bot for discord that can just scrub the chat and find numbers that are clearly incorrect it would be big, would eliminate like half of my headaches

[frigid pilot]

i bet you can get a bot from openai to do that

[full solstice]

i got this game like three weeks ago if i tried pvp id get embarrassed

[frigid pilot]

like scrape all the questions and responses from ur accsd

and putem in a database

[lofty junco]

i want u to try doping m+ when u returned in the 1st week, got 440+ ilvl in the 2nd week and ahve 0 rio at all. u won't even get accepted for +2 keys

[frigid pilot]

oh ye, u cant not do keys first week

[mighty nexus]

Just gotta list your own key

[full solstice]

i had to just start running my own key

[balmy condor]

If I had to train a bot on ravenholdt chat logs it would probably grow enough sentience to kill itself

[frigid pilot]

season 2 df was BRUTAL

was getting rejected to keys by dumbasses

metaslaves

[lavish brook]

the amount of runs... lets go!

[slate crown]

Isn't this just like, any class, no, any discord server?

[frigid pilot]

did 20 falls, 0 daggers

but gz king

[broken ibex]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tame tangle]

definitely

[frigid pilot]

took heroic igira dagger from vault

then 2 of them drop on heroic clear

....

[mighty nexus]

Well, you’ve got fotm people on rogue now, so I feel like it’s a little worse than other class discords

[frigid pilot]

rogue discord is the best tbh

[balmy condor]

It wasn’t always like this

[lofty junco]

and i barely got my 2pc now

[frigid pilot]

sims r best, good theorycrafters, responsive admins/community

mage disc is a close 2nd

every other is trash

pala discord in shambles

[lofty junco]

not gonna waste catalyst charges on veteran gear

[mighty nexus]

facts, I’ve yet to see another discord TC put in as much effort and do as well as Whispyr does

[frigid maple]

do we need fast opener on gnarlroot ?

[frigid pilot]

list ur own key until 17, aquire heroic gear, catalyze

[frigid pilot]

they do it for free too which is wild

[frigid maple]

or just usual one

[full solstice]

this felt better 140k over 1 minute

idk what i changed but

[frigid pilot]

upload a log..

[mighty nexus]

Looks like your garrote uptime is better

[full solstice]

idk how to do that chief

[kindred breach]

hello fellow thieves, does anyone has a problem with procs on wafting devo?

[lofty junco]

from a few days ago before reset. but i still get the same responses when doing my own key

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[frigid pilot]

theres no way they r saying that in a 6

[balmy condor]

Aight next dumb question from me

[frigid pilot]

i wanna see screenshots

[full solstice]

you better explain why im getting fried bc idk

[frigid pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download

[balmy condor]

Do you have slice and dice up

[slate crown]

Hmmm no? It procs, I poke faster

[kindred breach]

Feeling like it procs way less than Sophic but i've just analyzed like 2 full nights of raiding so dont know if i'm biased with bad rng or not

[frigid pilot]

follow instructions

[balmy condor]

Those poisons still look cooked

[full solstice]

alr buddy dont embarrass me like that

[balmy condor]

Ah we found it

[full solstice]

bc i definitely didnt have slice and dice up

[balmy condor]

Banger

[frigid pilot]

omg

[balmy condor]

BANGER

[slate crown]

Let's goooooo

[full solstice]

LMAO

[frigid pilot]

bro

tell me ur 2 days /played on rogue

[balmy condor]

What can I say, I’m clairvoyant

[full solstice]

like 2 weeks

[keen spruce]

KARSON

[slate crown]

They said he started the game 3 weeks ago

[frigid pilot]

what was ur previous class

now dont lie

ill find the truth

[full solstice]

rogue

ive had the game two weeks

and was told to play rogue

[frigid pilot]

an actual new wow player oO

[full solstice]

and i hate everyone for it

[frigid pilot]

what game u play b4

[full solstice]

destiny

[kindred breach]

yeah but comparing with my fellow shadow forces users in my raid, he is on Sophic sh*t and looking on logs it seems he is consistently getting more procs....

[full solstice]

worst mmo of all time

[frigid pilot]

😮

[mighty nexus]

I’ve only played for 3 months, we exist

[frigid pilot]

crazy

[lofty junco]

i mean i run 11+ now so will be a bit problematic finding that ppl, since it was before weekly reset

[frigid pilot]

they're like unicorns

[lofty junco]

[kindred breach]

Maybe i'm just rng doomed....

[full solstice]

im the youngest player in my 1k member guild too

bunch of oldheads on this game

[frigid pilot]

first tank that speaks fluent english and is good, befriend the fuck out of him, add on bnet and run keys together

[strange python]

hey young man, watch it

[runic hinge]

game is older than you

[balmy condor]

Karson are you related to the embattled minecraft youtuber facing grooming allegations, callmecarson? Blink twice if yes

[kindred breach]

we need more of you tbh

[full solstice]

it is

[kindred breach]

way too much grandpas here

[full solstice]

:blinks:

[slate crown]

!guide Welcome! Don't take the memery here too personally, but please do consult the guides as they are extremely helpful and written by very smart, and cool people. I hear they even are around these parts occasionally.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[full solstice]

wait

[balmy condor]

[full solstice]

[full solstice]

yeah someone named hachadino helped me with sub rogue but i decided i hate that spec

everyones been cool

besides outlaws

fuck you guys

[strange python]

what'd the pirates do?

[balmy condor]

Hachadino has that effect on people

[slate crown]

Hacha's a cool dude

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t want to play sub either afterwards

[frigid pilot]

sub is for gigachads, sin is for boomers and outlaw is for cracked kids with wrist issues

sin actually has downtime due to energy

blessup

[royal lantern]

hating yourself is a big part of playing rogue

[full solstice]

hacha sent me a vid of his sub rotation and ii think my dick shrunk

[mighty nexus]

I unironically find sin harder than outlaw

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[frigid pilot]

outlaw aint hard, just takes alot of spam

[balmy condor]

Hacha’s very good at theorycrafting the worst gameplay imaginable at any given time

[dark token]

pre ozumat

[frigid pilot]

which is annoying

[dark token]

highest ive done in this key

no cheese

[slate crown]

[frigid pilot]

@dark token how many fall keys did u do for dbl nickoftime

and did u have rogue funnelers

[mighty nexus]

Outlaw made me have to buy a new mouse, BtE key got so borked so fast

[dark token]

12

no funneler

[frigid pilot]

fuck you

how is that even POSSIBLE

[cursive owl]

henwo

[deft vault]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[dark token]

just loot it lol

[cursive owl]

any community guy in here ?

[frigid pilot]

[harsh anchor]

[frigid pilot]

i dont have raidbots premium cus they disabled patreon and have no paypal

rip

dont like trusting random vendors online with full cc info

[cursive owl]

nvm is ok 😄

[dark token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nbp3jtY6hqMGwBvd#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=3

heres log

[slate crown]

Thx friend

[dark token]

dmg is low cause i didnt cheese ozumat

cba

[frigid pilot]

when u log raids, do u feel it lag the shit out of u?

[royal lantern]

something something mastery

[lavish brook]

I guess we do branch with DM?

[dark token]

i dont log raids

[merry sapphire]

guys i have a question..all my sims and especially for single target..telling me to put more versa and more...can anyone explain me why?

[mighty nexus]

Yes

[lavish brook]

thanks!

[frigid pilot]

stat diminishing returns

prob over 5100 or w/e the threshold is

[agile wedge]

guys on larodar mythic, for some reason my energyreg is fucked. did somebody experience something similar? i see it directly in opener

[dark token]

this was a fun pull

[agile wedge]

i drop so hard

[merry sapphire]

not even close with phial corrupt i got 41%crit 20%haste 49%mastery with both hissing mastery runes and its putting me to put more and more versa like 14-15% versa

[mighty nexus]

Hard to tell exactly without a log, but are you pooling correctly ?

[agile wedge]

it directly starts at the beginning of the fight, usually do proper opener

[fervent jasper]

How are you guys allocating your CDs on the last boss of Rise? Damage on the boss seems pointless until the burn phase at the end but the portal dudes always die before I can dump all my CDs into them. Even on a 21

[agile wedge]

i need to use tea before first evi

itsreally strange

[strange python]

try using poisons

[forest notch]

Im trying to main swap to my rouge :). Hoping Blizzard doesnt nerf them too hard tuesday

[slate crown]

Versatility is good. It increases your damage.

[merry sapphire]

thank you a lot

[merry sapphire]

i mean yeah..but in every single log i am checking all rogues have max 9%versa..

[strange python]

you actually go through logs and check people's secondaries?

[frigid pilot]

im at 24% haste

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-my-eyes-burn-burning-eyes-gif-4415974

[frigid pilot]

vers isnt as bad as u think @merry sapphire

[cursive owl]

any reviews on my log for now :3 ?

[frigid pilot]

relax, its just to explain the concept

[forest notch]

I assume usually Sims > Logs? I know there is a lot of Sim disbelievers out there that think they can figure out better with there tiny sample sizes.

[strange python]

Not necesarilly. For making gearing decisions, yes though.

[mighty nexus]

Whispyr > everything else

[dark token]

garret 1 > garret 2 > garret 3

[slate crown]

I have trouble relaxing

[forest notch]

Guy in my guild "My top 100 rogue friend said sims were broken and he knew best". So never sure how to argue with that lol

[frigid pilot]

headspace app, try it out

[balmy condor]

the guy's top 100 rogue friend is an idiot and you can screenshot it and tell him that directly

[merry sapphire]

i just ask in case if there is any "new" interraction with versa on assa rogue especially in single target that i didnt pay attention...anyways thank you a lot

[frigid pilot]

i think we have way more stats due to new ilvl so its not just pure haste/crit/mast avoid vers like in s1/s2

[forest notch]

haha I mean this is what I was thinking in my head but people believe this stuff sometimes like people believe the earth is flat.

[mighty nexus]

It’s not?

[forest notch]

Its Square obviously

[full solstice]

is murlok accurate for BIS gear

[balmy condor]

I mean echo's rogues didn't trust the dance->kingsbane was better until fyrakk so it makes sense

[forest notch]

haha

[frigid pilot]

LOL

truuuuuuuuUuuue

once on fyrak theyre like hol' up

[forest notch]

wait a minute

[balmy condor]

spent all race saying they didn't follow sims

[frigid pilot]

so indirectly

[balmy condor]

and then followed sims

[icy acorn]

how exactly do you play council on mythiic as assa? just keep dots up on all three and always attack the one where the bear is?

[frigid pilot]

whispyr decided the rwf

[balmy condor]

nice

[frigid pilot]

so technically

liquidmax should be mad at whisp

[mighty nexus]

Murlok just shows what top rogues are using at what percentage. You’ll want to look at the wowhead guide and the sims to gear

[balmy condor]

if I decided the rwf liquid would've won

[agile wedge]

thanks

very helpful

[balmy condor]

me james and exile get along very well and talk about stuff through the entire race

[hushed fern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/allascha what am i doing wrong

[forest notch]

Im really hoping I see a decent damage boost on my rogue when I get 4 set.

[zenith hatch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[frigid pilot]

ill never forgive jpc for stopping streaming season 2

cus rogues were bad in keys

[lofty junco]

2. it dropped in a +12

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/63UUvRwb1jBLju7VidexAh 🦀 crab finally aquired 🦀

idk why i reply to u

[frigid pilot]

ur 481?

[arctic hare]

I’ve gotten three accelerating sandglasses to drop so far

[frigid pilot]

how much u paypaling ur guild

[mighty nexus]

481

Goated

[frigid pilot]

do they get 401k and benefits

[dark token]

🦀 rarer than nick of time 🦀

[forest notch]

How does pandemic work again? Like garrote for example, how early can we refresh it without wasting time on it.

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[forest notch]

oooo

there is one

[arctic hare]

Hmm, thats a lottttttt of mastery 🤣

[wide ferry]

is there a way to trade in crests we dont use like lower level ones?

[lofty juniper]

I'VE BEEN FORCED TO REROLL SIN FOR COUNCIL PROG

[dark token]

sim is broken dont listen to it

[lofty juniper]

WHAT DO I DO

[arctic hare]

Lmaoooo

[frigid pilot]

vendor in main hub in emerald dream

[forest notch]

So essentially 6 seconds left on Garrote, I can cast again?

[frigid pilot]

also if u run keys while ur maxed at aspects, u get wyrm

[mighty nexus]

top 100 rogue confirmed

[lofty juniper]

SHADOWSTEP DOTS > REPEAT?

[frigid pilot]

and so on

[gusty mirage]

why are you typing in all caps

[forest notch]

HES YELLING

[lofty juniper]

Idk

Yeah

Panic tone

[arctic hare]

Wait really? Hmmmmm, thats nice

[frigid pilot]

ye

blizz with xbox money

actually making our lives easy

[full solstice]

im trying to figure the logs thing out

[frigid pilot]

dont gotto squeeze the life out of us

[full solstice]

but it just says this report contains no fights yet

[frigid pilot]

turn on advanced combatlogging and restart wow

[full solstice]

okay gotta restart then

[slate crown]

I mean yeah ur pfp makes sense for it

[full solstice]

id hate to work in IT dealing with people like me all day

[frigid pilot]

also easier to download MRT (method raid tools) and set the content u wanna autorecord on

@balmy condor u work in IT?

[wide ferry]

anyone use the flamethrower on the engineering bracers? Garbage?

[balmy condor]

Yesn't

[forest notch]

lol

[balmy condor]

my irl job atm is as a mechanic at a bowling alley

[frigid pilot]

does it pay well?

[balmy condor]

no

[forest notch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cursive owl]

how is this shit used again ?

[frigid pilot]

if u want me to look at ur resume u lmk, ill do for free for the rogue homies

[mighty nexus]

With dm, 1/1/7

[cursive owl]

btw , is this ok for now ?

[frigid pilot]

surprised ur not a programmer with the level of theorycrafting y'all do here

[balmy condor]

still in school :3

[frigid pilot]

ah

[forest notch]

what does the Yellow borders mean and the dashed border?

[cobalt gyro]

OK i think i got a spatter WA working

[gusty mirage]

the dots are in pandemic

[balmy condor]

did 3 years of music composition, covid hit, schools shut down, life spiraled, now we pivot computer science

[royal lantern]

pandemic timers

[wide ferry]

pandemic

[gusty mirage]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

pandemic

[frigid pilot]

damn that sucks

[forest notch]

ahh so Yellow borders mean I can refresh

[frigid pilot]

programming is lit though

[gusty mirage]

ya

[balmy condor]

I just wanted to feel included

[frigid pilot]

machine learning too

[slate crown]

papandemic

[wide ferry]

yass

[forest notch]

what about the Dashed?

[balmy condor]

it is yeh

[forest notch]

is that just target?

[mighty nexus]

pandademic

[gusty mirage]

better ingredients, better dots, papa-ndemic?

[brisk anvil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cursive owl]

wdym by 1/1/7

[balmy condor]

dashed is deathmark, green is caustic

[frigid pilot]

eu ppl wont get that joke

[forest notch]

ahh ok

[mighty nexus]

Two orbs instantly, wait 7~ish before you grab the third

[arctic hare]

Witherbark’s branch optimal timing

[slate crown]

It was a genuine typo but I decided to not fix it

[gusty mirage]

I like it

[dark token]

we have we have papa johns in eu

[cursive owl]

Ah ok

ty

[gusty mirage]

[dark token]

shocking

i know

[frigid pilot]

not in every eu country

[gusty mirage]

I'm so sorry

[frigid pilot]

and they dont advert the same way

[dark token]

its nasty

[frigid pilot]

NYslice is bis

[cobalt gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/eNO7UY0.gif man that was so shit but i got it finally lmao

[forest notch]

Spamming CT if you have nother left to upkeep does increase its dmg correct? I think I read that on the skill, like reapplying it up to 100%

[mighty nexus]

No

[arctic hare]

Uh,

[mighty nexus]

CT has no upfront

[arctic hare]

Don’t spam CT

[balmy condor]

[forest notch]

oh lol

[frigid pilot]

bruh

[forest notch]

so just use it once and refresh when in pandemic?

[balmy condor]

yeh it's just a bleed

[gusty mirage]

[frigid pilot]

ye, even on huge pulls probably envenoming inside causting prob better than spamming ct

like sin of old

[forest notch]

I only know Sin of new haha

but ya I only learned last night how good caustic was and that it also spreads Envenom

so that makes sense

[strange python]

just about anything is better than spamming ct

[forest notch]

should likely increase my keys dmg

cause lots of keys I was spamming CT lol

What do we want to do on packs that will die fast?

[proven jasper]

Yea thats bad

[forest notch]

is there a better priority ?

get garrote up and try to caustic?

[proven jasper]

ct has no initial damage tick anymore so spamming it is literally pointless

Get ur garrotes and ruptures out

Get ct up

And start env spamming with caustic

general idea right there

[forest notch]

kk

[indigo epoch]

Which profile is this?

[forest notch]

Also for times when you cant get stealth or have no vanish etc. What should I prio on packs in those situations? I have been basically FoK and Rupture tab targetting with CT up and then Caustic + Envenom. Garrote on CD

[forest notch]

Whispyr

[proven jasper]

Thats pretty much all you can do if you have no vanish/shadow dance and u cant restealth

[burnt venture]

Anyone else feel constantly energy starved this week? I don’t think I’m keeping enough ruptures out or something

[forest notch]

Spiteful week + chain pulling makes this an annoying week to restealth

[drifting cedar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[proven jasper]

if you spam stealth when a mob dies and before the spiteful comes out you can get lucky sometimes

And get the re

[willow vine]

^

[forest notch]

ya that works sometimes

[willow vine]

only sometimes forsure

[proven jasper]

Only sometimes lmao ya

[forest notch]

but if other spitefuls are already up

its hard

[willow vine]

not when there's like multiple spitefuls out tho

[forest notch]

ya

[proven jasper]

Yeah at that point you just have to deal with it unfortunately

[willow vine]

I tried outlaw and that shit was even worse than sin due to losing uptime LMAO

[placid snow]

I see lots of tip IO rogues running no CT

Top*

[royal lantern]

turns out

everyone hates losing uptime

😄

[willow vine]

it felt sooo bad dropping AR

[agile tangle]

what build are people saying is the best all round for raid?

[willow vine]

Just take ST talents from wowhead and swap to spatter if there are adds

[inland isle]

hello, can someone maybe help me, i always running low on energy in ST Fights

[agile tangle]

calm ty

[proven jasper]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[forest notch]

Whats more important in regards to pooling here? If garrot/Rupture are falling off? They take prio over Envenom correct?

[proven jasper]

you’d rather drop the chain and keep all dots up i believe yes

[keen aurora]

drop chain, redot, rebuild energy for next chain / CDs

[proven jasper]

yep

[inland isle]

so i only use my thistle tea with cds?

[rose patio]

Well.. I'll soon become one of you for the sake of my beloved guild (part of me hope for a nerf or quick prog end)
I have one week to try and maybe switch from outlaw to sin in raid. I'm collecting stuff since start of S3 but this is my stat situation. Is this "fine" or will it be painful ?

[proven jasper]

Youll be fine

[keen aurora]

You're gonna wanna try to find some haste but otherwise fine. Pretty much all the secondaries are good

[rose patio]

Sim is also the way over here or is there any stat target to aim for ?

[proven jasper]

Sim

Always

[red cloak]

wait so as long as you are above 50% energy your bleeds are sapping your energy to do more damage?

[forest notch]

I was wondering this also, it felt like I could use it outside of CDs as long as I still have one for CDs

[willow vine]

Damn that's a lot of vers

[cursive owl]

yes

[forest notch]

Also I think the pooling practice weakaura has you pressing tea

[proven jasper]

You always want one tea for kb

[rose patio]

outlaw gang, crit/vers only

[proven jasper]

outside of that you just use it for energy

[willow vine]

haha I think you should be good tho

The haste might be a lil sus at some points

[full solstice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R3X9Vh2C17Tqpdcb#fight=last idk how to read this but can someone tell me what im doing wrong

im anarchyy idk who the other dude is

[rose patio]

Vers/Haste belt in bag + Throne neck also available
Will be able to get more haste with that

[red cloak]

I was gonna ask about pooling, cuz there are times im starved and out of tea, (I just started yesterday) so idk how long or how often im supposed to pool or if going low on energy was normal

[proven jasper]

Ilvl>anything else

[willow vine]

yee you should sim those to make sure too

[compact geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[mighty nexus]

3cp garrote in opener for starters

Rupture *

[full solstice]

okay so 3cp rupture bad

got that

[rose patio]

Cool. On trinket/wep side I'm lucky to have a nick already but also the EB branch 🙂

[mighty nexus]

4p+ always

[full solstice]

i feel like my poison damage is questionable and idk why lmao

[mighty nexus]

Branch too early too, you wanna use it with dm

[olive veldt]

Ember nullification any good for us?

[rotund jungle]

can somone post the trainign wa for KB dmg ?

[indigo epoch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[indigo epoch]

Not there anymore?

[dusk palm]

kingsbane was back up for ozumat lmfao

[red cloak]

how do you use the pooling practice tool? I downloaded it but im not sure what.. to do

[forest notch]

I think you just sit on a dummy

[red cloak]

do i press whatever the icon is?

[forest notch]

and press what i says

it*

and when no icon just do nothing?

[red cloak]

im out of combat with no target, full energy and its telling me to press tea

[forest notch]

ya I was wondering about that oo

[mighty nexus]

Also looks like you’re spamming envenom outside of KB windows, wait till it’s about to fall off to reapply it

[red cloak]

why is it telling me to press virulent plague???

[arctic current]

When should you actually rip your first tea on the opener?

[midnight atlas]

12s kingsbane.

[dark token]

nah i do 6s

i use my 2nd tea for energy later

[forest notch]

spammng envenom inside of KB increases its dmg though right?

[midnight atlas]

with bl on pull i use 12s and 6s. there's no energy issue

[mighty nexus]

Ye, you never want to pool inside KB

[red cloak]

pretty sure its just to keep the buff up

[neat plank]

sudden demise feels bad on fortified, less than 2% overall

[forest notch]

KB dmg increases with poison applications I tihnk?

I still dont have it all committed to memory

[mighty nexus]

I read that wrong, my b. I’m not sure of the why exactly, but I know you don’t wanna pool in Kb

[arctic current]

I mean when your at 3 charges and 100% energy u just rip one for the mastery yh?

[jade abyss]

can anyone explain why my shadowdance macro get always deleted ?

[balmy condor]

if you see any icon at all, that means you shouldn't be pooling in that moment. It generally will give you an icon related to why you shouldn't be pooling, so if you have a fuck ton of tea charges stored up, it'll want to burn some of those off. And what you think is virulent plague is the 4 piece, they use the same icon

[deft vault]

need to log off normally once

[balmy condor]

if you're at 0 cp it'll show mutilate

because you shouldn't be pooling on generators

etc

[orchid wind]

hey guys, new to assa. is struggling with energy normal or i'm lacking haste ? i got 10% haste. most of the time it happens when i'm on a boss or smth

[hexed willow]

@gusty mirage https://wago.io/eDUdpOkg2 and the ID is 211306

Gonna try that out

[balmy condor]

that's the spec

intended gameplay

[red cloak]

yup thats what is happening to me too but i have 0% haste lmao

[jade abyss]

no i create it play with it after log out its gone i dont understand why

[mighty nexus]

https://youtu.be/UG0zGACDAuY?si=2UtmojUxFmSOhgdp

[orchid wind]

so i switched some gears for getting haste, u suggesting it don't matter, i just go full crit/mastery yolo ? :3

[red cloak]

i dont even think its the haste, i think i just dont know what im doing

[proven jasper]

Haste isnt gonna magically fix your energy problems guys pls

[balmy condor]

???????????????

sim yourself

what

both of those ideas are awful

[red cloak]

i dont have 4 pc yet

[gusty mirage]

ty friend

[proven jasper]

If you’re not equipping ilvl over everything you’re actively griefing yourself

[red cloak]

i got 2

[balmy condor]

you gave me the option of eating rat poison or eating expired milk with a spoon I ain't picking either one of those

[full solstice]

whispyr has ninja hair omg

the ninja of wow

[orchid wind]

tbh sim was telling me to get 3-4% haste for outlaw, but it was pain for me, so i didn't sim

[lofty junco]

what key level for heroic vault item?

[hexed willow]

You drink expired milk

[orchid wind]

gonna try how it goes for assa

[red cloak]

wasting food

[scenic nacelle]

But you have to choose one

[orchid wind]

and eating milk with a spoon makes more sense

[balmy condor]

?????????? what was pain for you

[red cloak]

^

[balmy condor]

the simming?

[orchid wind]

energy starving , low gcds sometimes outside of ADR

[balmy condor]

haste doesn't fix shit for that

you're high if you think that matters

[mighty nexus]

Energy sustain on sin is literally the easiest thing. Just stop pressing buttons

[orchid wind]

i'm talking about outlaw tho, not assa

[balmy condor]

I'm well aware

[red cloak]

okay that's what I wanted to know.

[orchid wind]

i just said i thought they're the same on energy

[balmy condor]

it does even less for outlaw

[proven jasper]

^^^^

[red cloak]

pretty sure haste is just a dead stat for rogue, we use energy

[proven jasper]

Its not a dead stay

[mighty nexus]

[balmy condor]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[proven jasper]

Stat

[orchid wind]

xD damn i need to read FAQ few times more, cause outlaw faq is reverse for these thing you said

[dusty mirage]

when to use ashes? after kb? if so on kb or wait a few?

[scenic nacelle]

[proven jasper]

Me too man me too

[mighty nexus]

Ye, outlaw has highest apm, sin is different

Always read guides

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[ebon copper]

is the sandglass oversimming for sin or not really?

[balmy condor]

you guys triple down on saying the dumbest shit imaginable and then wonder why I'm in here all day threatening to choke people through my monitor

[proven jasper]

maybe a stat command is necessary for the haste goobers

[balmy condor]

WE HAVE ONE

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[balmy condor]

IT SAYS IT

[proven jasper]

bro

[earnest remnant]

I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE WHISPYR

[proven jasper]

Me too

^

[orchid wind]

you need to chill tho

[proven jasper]

Lmao

[red cloak]

lol

[orchid wind]

ppl might be new to this class, and by acting like that, i dunno man

[viral aurora]

which spec are you guys playing this week mostly? arterial / hybrid / something else?

[proven jasper]

Do you know how many times a day people ask ur same dumb ass question

[orchid wind]

i literally said " I'M NEW TO ASSA "

[harsh anchor]

hey btw since we're on topic, what are bis stats

[proven jasper]

Watch a video then

[midnight atlas]

Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

this should be bolded and underlined in the command

[red cloak]

if u think this is bad try asking in the warrior discord lmao

[balmy condor]

that's great, read a guide

[orchid wind]

then why this channel exists ?

[mighty nexus]

The thing about it, people ask questions constantly that are answered in like the first line of the wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

not to be your personal google that's for sure

[mighty nexus]

Just read pls

[orchid wind]

isn't it better to make a section or smth at discord FAQ
"Frequently asked question"

[scenic nacelle]

YouTube.com/whysper

[balmy condor]

this discord ain't a helpdesk

[red cloak]

if these kids could read they'd be very upset right now

[scenic nacelle]

Oh

[mighty nexus]

#assassination-faq

[proven jasper]

we literally have a channel in here

That says

[scenic nacelle]

Misread that

[proven jasper]

Assa faq

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

same

[shut canopy]

xd

[orchid wind]

yes, and it's taking you to a full guide at wowhead

[balmy condor]

YES

[proven jasper]

YES

[orchid wind]

it's diff things lol

[balmy condor]

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[earnest timber]

HUH

[orchid wind]

BRO I DON"T WANT FULL GUIDE

[proven jasper]

THATS THE POINT? OF THE FAQ??

[strange python]

WAIT

SINCE WHEN

[mild phoenix]

?!?!?

[orchid wind]

I WANT WHAT EVERY NEW ASSA ROGUE ASKS

[midnight atlas]

This is the pain of beeing meta, whyspir has to babysit every reroller

[scenic nacelle]

[red cloak]

popcorn?

[sullen gyro]

All the information you want is in the guide

[strange python]

And hes done hell of a job for it!

[mighty nexus]

Maybe we need a command for the search function

[viral aurora]

relax guys, pls just refer him to the right sections, no need to go extra. People are different 🙂

[harsh anchor]

[strange python]

THE GUIDE DIDNT TELL ME I CAN HAVE 2 NON LETHAL POISON ACTIVE AT ONCE

[shut canopy]

inshallah we read guide and press buttons

[arctic current]

Thats a lot of a

[proven jasper]

lmao

[sullen gyro]

People put on a lot of work into that guide just read the guide

[earnest timber]

You're right, the talent did.

[cursive owl]

yay ♥

[proven jasper]

You guys dont read at al

[cursive owl]

got my 4 piece now ^-^

[mighty nexus]

Walahi brother

[proven jasper]

all*

[viral aurora]

@orchid wind it´s suggested you at least skim through the nice guide that is provided by the theorycrafters, then if you have further questions, you can ask here.

[empty pilot]

hey quick question. Ive been following the wowhead guide for general stat weights/gearing, etc. I ran a stat weight sim for the first time (Im new to retail) and getting haste > vers > mast > crit and haste is ahead by what seems like a decent margin. Is this just how it is? Or is there something I potentially got wrong? I don't want to gem haste if I'm simming wrong

[red cloak]

can we just all agree asking questions is haram?

[misty holly]

Definitely do the expired milk. That's just cottage cheese. Rat poison could kill you.

[white marten]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[forest notch]

you still need to read the guides, then if your confused about something in the guides ask questions.

[sullen gyro]

Stop using Stat weights

[midnight atlas]

its blizz fault for adding rogue draenei, tauren etc. i feel like this discord has gone madder since then. i'm using the power of feelcraft to make this deduction

[proven jasper]

Never sim stat weights again and sim top gear, problem solved.

[orchid wind]

well the thing is, even tho i read faq, i'm new man. i said it. and ppl can explain it or tell me "it's explained in faq" ppl acting like it's a pain for them

thanks for answering, but if u want to answer like that. then don't

[spice spire]

That’s understandable.
But there’s 500 of you

[lofty junco]

https://tenor.com/view/xpnrrr-gif-19350973

[spice spire]

Tbf

[orchid wind]

i don't understand why you guy are angry lol

[balmy condor]

I have a question

It's answered in the guide

I don't want to read a guide for the answer, I want you to read it to me instead

[sullen gyro]

Then read the guide and come back with questions after

[tame tangle]

the outlaw treatment isn’t the norm

[viral aurora]

@orchid wind if you need help with a specific question, DM me and I will help you out

[forest notch]

The answer is usually in the guide though ha

[forest notch]

lol

[amber stream]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[red cloak]

im just here to read the fun

[viral aurora]

I think @balmy condor needs a drink

[shut canopy]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[orchid wind]

guess i have to buy a Assa Coach from you man, so you can answer better

anyways have a good day

[red cloak]

?

[mighty nexus]

Brother

[balmy condor]

no I need people to get their head out of their ass

[mighty nexus]

Read guide

[forest notch]

LOL

[spice spire]

NO

[shut canopy]

answer will be in the guide I promise

[scenic nacelle]

My brother in Christ, he has a full YouTube channel with content too

[strange python]

yes

[sullen gyro]

Whisper already answered your question a month ago and posted it on wowhead for everyone to see

[forest notch]

just have to read guide then ask more specific questions, discord isnt magically going to tell you how to play the game.

[cursive owl]

is 50% crit too much ._. ?

[mighty nexus]

Imagine pouring hours and hours into writing a guide just for people to not want to read it and ask the same questions here

IMAGINE

[jade abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lick-fast-lick-cute-cat-cats-gif-27624519

[orchid wind]

delete it

[gusty mirage]

we used to do it with the pins, people didn't read those either

[orchid wind]

take my advice

and don't ask these kinda questions

[proven jasper]

The guy literally released videos on every POSSIBLE ASPECT OF ASSASSINATION GAMEPLAY and its still not enough

crazy

[forest notch]

Ill likely be getting coaching also, after I read the guide, practice a bunch, watch videos and understand as much core as I can. But you gotta do those steps first.

[cursive owl]

OK

[spice spire]

Sim it brethren.
You don’t aim for specific lines

[midnight atlas]

without buffs? it kinda is.

[cursive owl]

OK

[balmy condor]

we went:

• stats dont matter thats the spec
• yeh stats don't mater
• yeh haste doesn't matter
• sim it
  some other guy came in and said haste is a dead stat (it isn't)

[shut canopy]

the robot will tell you the way

[balmy condor]

it isn't one dumbass question

I answer dumbass questions

legit constantly

[cursive owl]

UwU

[balmy condor]

but there's been a series here

of really stupid events

that have lead us down this path

and that's the shit that will piss me the fuck off

[gusty mirage]

oh no, he's typing like guy

[scenic nacelle]

https://m.youtube.com/@whispyr5793

[tame tangle]

the egos here are wild

[scenic nacelle]

@orchid wind check this channel out

[slate crown]

Ego?

[faint path]

Guys what talent are u guys playing for m+ this week?

[orchid wind]

bro i used to watch his stream on shadowland 24/7

it's not like that i don't know he got a channel or smth

xD i just asked a question

[dark token]

how come i hit the 20% haste breakpoint and 50% mastery necessary for sin to scale well but my outlaw still sims higher?

[balmy condor]

xD

[orchid wind]

holy f man

[balmy condor]

I ain't even mad at you

[spice spire]

My ego is insurmountable

[balmy condor]

why are you taking it so personally

[spice spire]

This is true

[orchid wind]

you answering like i stole smth from you

[midnight atlas]

my sim told me to equip some vers/mastery gear when i had 48 crit, 53 with flask. so go sim and see whats up with your gear

[proven jasper]

give it a break man lmao

[tame tangle]

probably cuz 20 people came at him yelling everything is in wowhead guide which it isn’t lol

[shut canopy]

@keen spruce fake duck

[sullen gyro]

It's wild that people come in here and think they're entitled to have other people hold their hand and Google shit for them

[slate crown]

You did

Time

[mighty nexus]

It literally is

[tame tangle]

it literally isn’t

[mighty nexus]

It literally is

[tame tangle]

a bunch is in his videos, so yes, all credit to him

[proven jasper]

Everything you need to know is either in the pins or the faq here

[silk bane]

can we get a command for this?

[balmy condor]

I ain't even talking to you for like the last 5 minutes and you're telling me to chill like I'm telling you to not ask a question

[proven jasper]

or whispyrs videos

[silk bane]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[tame tangle]

videos yes

[proven jasper]

Okay? So its there

[balmy condor]

I'm just screaming to scream

[proven jasper]

Whats ur point

[mighty nexus]

There’s also literally a section in the wowhead guide about pooling

[tame tangle]

someone simply says “it’s further expanded in videos” and convo over lol

[silk bane]

he just like me fr fr

[mighty nexus]

So idk

[tame tangle]

jesus christ

[severe sparrow]

i mean if you read the wowhead guide it's got at least 95% of it, and the other 5% is stuff you probably shouldnt focus on till you got the 95% down right

[balmy condor]

cause then we got someone answering you who also has no clue

[severe sparrow]

._ .

[tame tangle]

the anger lmao

[orchid knot]

will the guide be updated to include this in the rotation

[strange python]

[proven jasper]

Make sure to scream bloody murder after going into kb window

helps

[silk bane]

its not part of sins rotation.

only outlaw

[orchid knot]

oh fuck mb

[silk bane]

if your bte is bound to A

[slate crown]

You must be standing while you play

increases dps by 6%

[fallow acorn]

my movement keys are Q P Z and M

[proven jasper]

yeah make sure to get that posture buff

[proven jasper]

very important

[safe zodiac]

is it normal for my 4 set to do that less damage?

[soft shale]

in aoe you have lots of sources of dmg

[proven jasper]

I had a key where my tier did like 12%

[soft shale]

are you chaining envems well

or just letting it expire because that is a nono

[safe zodiac]

i dont think so

[balmy condor]

are you implying we didn't say that

[proven jasper]

Ye ye make sure to chain with the 4pc

Big dam

[safe zodiac]

i have no idea how it works

just spam envenom?

[mighty nexus]

I literally linked the exact video

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[soft shale]

not really just if you envenom with the envenom buff up it procs the set

[proven jasper]

As long as you envenom while you have the envenom buff it procs the tier

[soft shale]

in aoe you have almost infinite energy

[proven jasper]

So its not hard

[soft shale]

so you should have good procs

[proven jasper]

Ye

[split cipher]

Is there some trick to meld -> stealth in keyes. I'm getting like a 30% success rate. I'm using a cast sequence macro

[eternal nymph]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[safe zodiac]

what is the "chain"?

[balmy condor]

the chain is just multiple envenoms in a row back to back all proccing the tier set

[red cloak]

cool thanks

[hexed willow]

Envenom in envenom

[balmy condor]

nope, shit just sucks sometimes and you're stuck in stealth

it's real jank

sorry, stuck in combat

not stealth

stuck in stealth would be great

[split cipher]

yeah seems like there are so many 'boss combat' hooks for random shit. Wasn't sure if it was the game or just me

thanks!

[indigo mulch]

@balmy condor what talent did you drop for acro on nymue?

[balmy condor]

not just boss combat hooks, but also just general mechanics and shit

[indigo mulch]

I'm stuck in nymue prison ;C

[split cipher]

ah

[misty holly]

Rogue legendary that gives you permanent stealth. Like the invisible man. How cool would that be.

[balmy condor]

deeper/alacrity for lethality/acro

[hexed willow]

Why?

[balmy condor]

would be.... very powerful

[hexed willow]

Or more specifically, what about nymue is particular for acro

[balmy condor]

nymue is cancer as melee

[split cipher]

dodging and dipping

[cobalt gyro]

I mean ambush does like 3x the damage of mutilate so.. yeah it'd be decent, not even counting empowered garrotes

[split cipher]

easier with 3 yards

[balmy condor]

my first thought is just 30% crit

but yeah

[proven jasper]

Perma 10% dam and 30% crit seems balanced

[balmy condor]

yeh

[vast loom]

do we know how many poison applications KB is currently getting in sims?

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

depends on gear but with lust+pi kingsbane can easily cap

[gusty mirage]

tell people to stop crowding melee with big flowers

tf you mean cancer as melee

[vast loom]

oh whats the cap?

[balmy condor]

you can see it in a quick sim

99

[severe sparrow]

i wish theyd make the little lines that come down not the color they are

[vast loom]

oh shit

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/silicon-valley-erlich-bachman-motherfuck-gif-8224886

[cobalt gyro]

That's a big kingsbane

[balmy condor]

the flowers get insta soaked and it's just swirl hell while dodging the lasers

it's aids

[soft shale]

is er that behind?

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

flower circles bigger than your mom

[soft shale]

vs lethality

[waxen oyster]

nymue is aids

[strange python]

@keen spruce

[gusty mirage]

my mother's very small, might want to use a better example

[vast loom]

i was speculating that a possible nerf is reduceing the poison amp % so i was curious how much a nerf would be if it was like 15%

[gusty mirage]

idk I found nymue to be fine

skill issue ig

[waxen oyster]

i also may have had my lethals fall off mid pull after second add

[silk bane]

based oxi

[balmy condor]

no it's like 0.4% better but I ain't adding a button for that

[silk bane]

i liked nymue too

[waxen oyster]

and reapplied them while waiting for right group to kill theirs

[balmy condor]

oh I love nymue, it's a great fight

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

it's just cancer

[mighty nexus]

I’ve never used acro on nymue and now I feel like I’m doing something wrong

[gusty mirage]

cloak the shit overlaps of flower soaks + beams

[soft shale]

i think i spent all my hate on council

[severe sparrow]

i dont mind it so much on rogue but it's turbo aids when youre healing on monk and trying to env mist spam while having to sidestep the lines

[silk bane]

my favorite part was when they sent me + 1 enhance to solo the middle ad the 2nd intermission.

[soft shale]

what a cluster cracker

[waxen oyster]

wdym you dont like having beams going through the red

[silk bane]

sub cd go brrrrrr

[gusty mirage]

you just side step it

idk

[proven jasper]

Bro i like the entire raid but yeah council is really a debby downer for me

It just isnt even

[waxen oyster]

its mostly annoying when 3 flowre explode at once

[proven jasper]

like real

[waxen oyster]

so you just feint and eat one

[vast loom]

council is fuck your parse just kill the boss lol dont die and boss dies

[split cipher]

My cloak is reserved for add run out

[mighty nexus]

Idk how y’all do well on council tbh, I always parse blue

[split cipher]

pray for me

[gusty mirage]

why would you need to cloak that

huh

[slate crown]

This is good. Boss dedge. Blue parse better than no parse. 🫡

[grand trail]

NYMUE, i got insane value of my spatter talented 😄

[split cipher]

I'm being told I need to soak the big circle to create a path for the middle add

[waxen oyster]

i actually dont get why guides suggest cloaking when making flower path to mythic add

[mighty nexus]

True, but logs

[waxen oyster]

full bloom doesnt hurt that bad

[gusty mirage]

just feint it

lmao

[balmy condor]

????????????? you said spatter?

[split cipher]

Good to know

[grand trail]

yeah spatter

always to forget untalent it

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

yeah i tried it one pull

[silk bane]

how the fuck are u 481 are u getting turbo funneled?

[grand trail]

and we first pull kill it

[waxen oyster]

thought it'd at least proc me

nope

[gusty mirage]

ye you straight vibe w/ feint

ask for a sac for shiggles too

you're just chilling at 60% health

lmao

[waxen oyster]

cant ask for a sac

dumb ranged always dying

[grand trail]

nah, but spend all my crest and got two items from vault

[gusty mirage]

I help our hpal get r1 damage parses