assassination

[gusty mirage]

there's extra words in this, you could've stopped after filthy

[oak tangle]

obviously alot different, but same tihng, offsets some but not all cd's

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

kyle is a dirty dirty boy

[spice spire]

That’s why mochi is always sniffing

He smells the stink

[blazing jewel]

Calling me a stinky smh

[gusty mirage]

we still love scana tho

[spice spire]

I still love mochi

Even if there’s - thought in his head

[spice surge]

Its not like sub is 50% better, its like 5% better

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

considering most kills have been tight, that 5% matters

[blazing jewel]

Subs cloak timings are actually insane for smold

[lofty junco]

i love tanks that chainpull anything so that u can't get in stealth naturaly -.-

[manic quartz]

shades keep you in combat anyway'

[strange python]

i just love it when they pull the boss when the last shade was at like 1% health

like bruh

[manic quartz]

^

[gusty mirage]

yeah bad chaining is cringe

[valid shadow]

How much of a upgrade is nick of time compared to a pvp dagger? Is it big? Been farming it for 20+ runs lol doesn't wanna drop

[strange python]

bout 1.1% at same ilvl

[valid shadow]

Ahh okay no need forcing it this hard then

[lofty junco]

aye

[subtle tundra]

I'll kill smolderon as assa today

With branch

I'll tell you

[tender cedar]

guys u burn cds at smolderon at start or u just use kingsbane and go ham during dmg intermission?

[finite echo]

wherever lust is at

[tender cedar]

aight

ty mate

[pulsar dirge]

I tried with a friend of mine in normal (lel ) he used cds at start and i waited for lust and buff and I went reaaaaally ahead at the end

but i dunno in mythic if you lose a cast of DM

[hexed willow]

It is up for the intermission

[midnight atlas]

how do you avoid not desyncing cd's on nymue?

[hexed willow]

Is that lorrgs?

[finite echo]

y

[hexed willow]

I couldn’t find any data on snolderon yesterday

[finite echo]

this is mythic

[exotic glacier]

Is there any simple Envenom buff weakaura that’s commonly used? Doesn’t appear to be in the weakaura pack I use

[acoustic pendant]

do you refresh slice and dice in aoe ?

[finite echo]

you basically skip an intermission (#2)

[hexed willow]

Oh interesting thanks

That’s what I was doing

[gusty mirage]

you should be envenoming to keep up snd in aoe

cause of cut to the chase

[balmy condor]

Hm

Seems like I need to show the smolderon tech

[subtle tundra]

Sepsis

?

Please say yes

[loud parrot]

In m+ aoe i should apply garrote + rupture to ALL enemies, right?

[harsh galleon]

anyone else struggle to beat bm hunters dh in keys overall feel like betime I ramp on 23-24s everything dead

[loud parrot]

before doing anythgin g esle

[slow chasm]

just gar-gar-rup

[drifting cloud]

[idle radish]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
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Pooling Practice Tool

[hexed willow]

Is it respeccing to sub

[blazing jewel]

[finite echo]

[loud parrot]

gar-gar-rup once and i start pumping with kingsbane/ envenom etc.?

[slow chasm]

its just playing ranged

[hexed willow]

Depends, is rupture up to saturation?

[sick aspen]

love when whispyr hits us with of tech

[slow chasm]

gar-gar-rup-+4 env- mut - DM/KB

[finite echo]

the tech:

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g8wd5pqLCrCJCEdoKKzxLr

It’s a bit of an old sim

But I ran it for race

[woeful cipher]

For council, are we trying to keep rupture up on all 3 targets or just the 2 that are stacked

[balmy condor]

Yeh

That

That’s with a lust for last intermission

[drifting cloud]

what the kb at 6:10 doing

[balmy condor]

Last intermission

[drifting cloud]

oh, well you dont lust last intermission D:

everyone does 3rd

[balmy condor]

Ye the last real intermission

It’s been a while

[eager solstice]

Assa best target for pi right?

[dark token]

Smolderon tech is u take shadowdust

Is this a single pot during lust angle

Or a poly intermission 1 and 4

[eager solstice]

Assa with pi just feels so good

[drifting cloud]

would you change stuff with no pi whispyr

[balmy condor]

Don’t scrutinize the sim too much it’s pretty jank but it’s close enough

M

[rotund jungle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
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Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

No

It’s the same without pi

Sub is just straight up better

But if you play assa you giga hold for intermissions

[drifting cloud]

in that sim you removed fight variance and hard coded the stuff like you wrote it or?

[halcyon charm]

Did anyone run 2set 2 set? Just started up the ole rogue and have only 2 set for this tier. My old 2 set is pretty low ilvl so would it be worth swapping out those pieces for higher ilvl non tier pieces and just run new 2 set till I get 4?

[drifting cloud]

yes new 2set better

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Never drop bonuses for item level that’s troll as hell

Run 2+2

[sonic schooner]

Guys quick question, if we want to take accro into raid, what talent do we ditch for it?

[radiant snow]

i want to put ambush/mutliate into a macro how do i do this?

[halcyon charm]

Thank you 👍🏼

[radiant snow]

i know the bar changes itself but i want to try something

[balmy condor]

You don’t

[dark token]

@balmy condor curious where you would use pots on smolderon with those timings you posted, I'm thinking either first + last intermission or just a solo pot during lust + DM + KB on intermission 3

[rose inlet]

Hey all are we allowed to post logs here lf help?

[dark token]

Since we don't have DM for intermission 4

[balmy condor]

You’d want it on two intermissions

[drifting cloud]

are you not already potting first and last? regardless of spec

[lime crypt]

how much are you guys simming for on ST?

[tough night]

without PI like 214k

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[dark token]

Some specs in my raid are potting during lust only

[lime crypt]

with only your buffs?

[dusk sun]

is there a more favorable m+ talent build once you get 4p?

[silver eagle]

!wa

[dark token]

If their CDs don't line up for intermission 1 and 4

[prisma monolith]

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[lime crypt]

if so, can you send me your gear?

[dark token]

Like arcane mages or spriest

[glacial venture]

@balmy condor

Are you winning

[balmy condor]

No

[balmy condor]

No

[glacial venture]

Why not

[oak tangle]

469 boomie vs 427 dh on trash, hmmmmge

[balmy condor]

It’s 8:30am on a Thursday, my eye is watering, and I can’t go back to bed

[glacial venture]

Why is it upside down

[lime crypt]

i mean the boomie could be like

lagging irl

in chair

[oak tangle]

im from australia it has to be

[lime crypt]

or something

you never know

[glacial venture]

That does not sound like winning

[glacial venture]

Fair enough

[thorn fjord]

Damn whispyr is up early

[balmy condor]

What brings you here woli

Just saying hi?

[glacial venture]

playing with @lime crypt and he was chatting in here so i popped in to spy

[cunning hull]

any Larodar tech?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Accelerate your opener so spatter boom adds

[glacial venture]

Love not knowing a thing about rogue

[dusk sun]

so basically the shock or hybrid m+ build is preference?

[glacial venture]

So to me that just reads "just get more haste and click faster"

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

[cunning hull]

you line up anything with the crit balls?

[balmy condor]

No

[dusk sun]

I see, idk if im struggling with aoe dps or its just demon hunters are just blowing shit up too fast in my keys

[balmy condor]

Both

[cunning hull]

we left it at 12% yesterday in Mythic

[woven frost]

Pooling question. Hypothetically I have full CP. I’m about to cast an envenom but am low on energy. Do I pool before I pop that envenom or right after? (Also assuming I’m in my tier piece chain)

[dusk sun]

Any thoughts on this M+ build? I was just looking up the m+ build of the top 1 io sin player

[balmy condor]

How long is left on your envenom buff

[blazing jewel]

Delay your second kb slightly because the boss will charge during it. Rest of cds line up after that

[glacial venture]

But yeh whispyr, reason i came in;
Could you think of a reason why outlaw would sim higher than assassination in both ST and in DS?
Is that just sims being hecked up, or is it stats, or builds, or something else?

V theres the sim btw

[lime crypt]

can someone tell me how am I doing so shit dps on sims? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/51MaKbLrNhK2HQXiustXdp
Like I know I still need to get branch and second nick.. that should be like 10k dps increase +-

what else am i supposed to do lol

is the BiS on wowhead for all rounder?

like is it an actuall bis for m+ and raid together?

[balmy condor]

It’s a raid build with carnage and spatter idk what I’m supposed to have an opinion on it’s the most giga single target build imaginable in a key

[frigid maple]

Cutting the rupture? So garrote > snd > 5cp> envenom > cooldowns?

[woven frost]

If I had a good 3 seconds. That’s where I’m getting stuck wrapping my head around pooling. When to hold and when to pop.

[tough night]

sorry for delayed response, with optimal raid buffs/consumables

[balmy condor]

Could sim with any raid buffs

[dim pendant]

no rupture = no spatter

[balmy condor]

Well with 3 seconds left you’d waste uptime on envenom, so you’d wait

[balmy condor]

Yes

[glacial venture]

The two sims we're comparing are both unbuffed

[balmy condor]

If the rupture comes too late and it’s uncomfortable drop the envenom instead of the rupture

Idk, seems okay then

That’s not unreasonably low

[glacial venture]

Right

But outlaw is simming like 15k higher

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tough night]

at full gear

[balmy condor]

No

Just in general

[woven frost]

So if it’s about to expire, then I pop. I think I got it. It’s like a tiny breath right before it falls off if low on energy to keep chain up.

[balmy condor]

You basically always want to make sure you’re casting envenom during the last 1.3ish seconds

To maximize uptime

And if you can’t do that

You break the chain, pool back up to 80%

And start again

[woven frost]

That makes perfect sense. I’ve been messing this up for weeks now. Appreciate the lightbulb moment. You are the best Whispyboy

[balmy condor]

Gotchu bby

[lime crypt]

oh ye i wanted to ask about the chain thing
so basically im chaining envenoms ye, but i see my rupture is ending.. do I instantly build for full rupture into fast building for envenom and casting envenom even if its under 50% of energy?

[thorn fjord]

How much of a loss are we looking at if you're refreshing at like 3s

[lime crypt]

or even about rupture, Im only rupturing above 50% energy?

[balmy condor]

Well you always instantly build

You never wait to build

[lime crypt]

right

[frigid maple]

U thinking to much about sanguine

[balmy condor]

But if you need to refresh rupture

You would just do the same thing

[sonic schooner]

What is your secret to be cute whispyr? Is that blue hair or something else?

[balmy condor]

If you have the cp after the rupture to envenom, and envenom has under 1.3 left

You would envenom

If it drops you would reset the chain

Sanguine plays no role in this

[glacial venture]

Classic conditional effects that are entirely passive that you want to ignore because they bait you into playing suboptimally

[thorn fjord]

I dont have the patience to hold env to the 1s mark

[balmy condor]

I mean you want to play around it

[thorn fjord]

and it bothers the hell out of me

[balmy condor]

But the tier takes priority

[glacial venture]

Ah fair

[balmy condor]

And so the sanguine logic gets stomped

Because there’s something more important

[glacial venture]

Youre more important

[sonic schooner]

^

[balmy condor]

Woli I’ll kiss you on the god damn mouth stfu

[glacial venture]

[balmy condor]

Rot in bed

[glacial venture]

Thats illegal

[balmy condor]

More monster energy

[glacial venture]

youd have to go become an #outlaw

[balmy condor]

It’s only illegal if you don’t consent, are you saying you don’t wanna kiss?

[thorn fjord]

For real tho @balmy condor how much of a loss is it to not wait for the 1s

[balmy condor]

Bit rude

[balmy condor]

Oh

[glacial venture]

I dont like kissing

[balmy condor]

Uh

[thorn fjord]

Im having a hard time doing it... and feelcraft feels like im doing less dmg waiting for the 1s refresh rather than just sending

[balmy condor]

1.4%

Well

[thorn fjord]

Im pooling for CD's

[balmy condor]

0.7%

[thorn fjord]

but not outside

[balmy condor]

Oh even worse

[thorn fjord]

yeah .7 aint shit im chillen

[balmy condor]

That’s like 2%

I didn’t even sim that

[thorn fjord]

Im not dropping env debuff tho

It stays up

im just refreshing around 2-3s usually

[balmy condor]

So you’d have to break the chain constantly

[junior snow]

Wouldn’t you want to wait until it’s less than a second to refresh?

[balmy condor]

I guess you’d fall somewhere in the 0.7% range then yeah

Idk

[thorn fjord]

wdym... If im maintaining env debuff wouldnt that still be fine?

[balmy condor]

Very weird way to play it

[final trench]

Can anyone kind of provide some tips on how to AOE when we can't stealth and don't wanna blow a CD like vanish before a boss?

When I am just singularly popping ruptures, garrotes, and envenoms with KB and caustic spatter it feels like awful. Getting blown away in pulls where im unable to stealth before hand.

Before its stated, i've looked at the guides, and whispyrs videos. I still feel I am missing something

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you’re falling behind constantly

[balmy condor]

Why

[lime crypt]

so after rupture i insta mutilate into mutilate and if i can make it in time before envenom drops, I envenom no matter what my state of energy is, ye?
And what then? If my next envenom after that is under 50%, then i break the chain and i go make a coffee, ye?

[hushed fern]

https://gyazo.com/11a178841c9759ab037b7cb98fb43aa8

300k overall 23 BRH 2 chest xd

[balmy condor]

Bleed for energy then caustic

[balmy condor]

Why are you playing around sanguine, stop

[final trench]

ok, ill give that a go. I thought the bleeds were where my dmg was coming from. Thank you.

[balmy condor]

You just keep chaining

[final trench]

im 4set too.

[light knoll]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[balmy condor]

Bleeds are where some of your damage is coming from

[exotic glacier]

Is low caustic damage just low Envenom up time?

[balmy condor]

Bad kingsbanes probably

Or not a lot of envenoms

[exotic glacier]

I see some wild ranges on caustic

[balmy condor]

It’s mostly kingsbane/envenom/tier

[final trench]

Ok makes sense, thanks.

I have tried the hybrid build as well as the arterial standard build.

Is one just better? I like the feel of the hybrid but seem to be doing better with the arterial.

[balmy condor]

Most people will argue for arterial

[final trench]

in m+

[balmy condor]

But there’s not really a difference

[final trench]

Ok thought so. Thank you 🙂

[balmy condor]

Hybrid shifts the damage into kingsbanes

Arterial puts it more into bleeds

But overall it’s around the same

[eternal heath]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-claus-the-movie1985-for-free-bz-christmas-john-lithgow-gif-27196216

[final trench]

Ok thank you! that would explain low dmg on hybrid build in aoe because I was holding KB for bosses.

[eternal heath]

I need to check your vids on envenom chain too, that is probably my next big area of improvement

[mighty pine]

which one would you say is easier to execute? i've been using the hybrid build

[balmy condor]

They play exactly the same

[mighty pine]

oh
got it then

also, how often does kingsbane tick?

[balmy condor]

Every 2 seconds

[mighty pine]

thank you

[astral spoke]

anyone knows if wrist + back emb is better than boots + wrist

[balmy condor]

For what content

[astral spoke]

m+

[balmy condor]

Can be yeah

As long as you get uptime on the blue silk

[astral spoke]

I was looking at the people on ladder and I saw some were using the back + wrist

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Degenerate m+ers

Crafting m+ only embellishments

[junior snow]

Does KB tick upon application and when it fades as well?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Behaves like any normal dot, just without the haste

[eternal heath]

Ran some 20s yesterday with havoc and aug. Holy does it feel bad almost never being able to stealth for spreading bleeds

[subtle tundra]

thats why you use your vanish and sd to spread bleeds

[wide mountain]

Good morning everyone, I’m looking to get some feedback on some of my logs from my raid the other night. What would be the best channel to post in for feedback.

[subtle tundra]

and try to predict if you need them for that

[balmy condor]

Would just be here but we don’t really do log reviews

[eternal heath]

Oh trust me, both were on cd as much as I could. Just felt kinda bad lol

[unique sorrel]

Are there any plans for wowanalyzer to get updated? Saw someone do the !logs command and it links there - fairly sure it’s 10.0.7

[amber lark]

anyone have a good macro for their deathmark?

[slow needle]

WoWAnalzyer changelog is kinda fucked. Topple put in initial 10.2 support recently.

[wide mountain]

Fair enough, thank you!

[balmy condor]

I guarantee you it’s updated for 10.1.5 because I updated it for 10.1.5, but it’s getting support for 10.2 soon

[slow needle]

Or the initial commits for it.

[unique sorrel]

Ah so changelog is just fucky?

[slow needle]

The change is just hidden down at the bottom between Jan/Feb lines.

[balmy condor]

Idk

[drifting cloud]

tell us more how long the sepsis code took you

[balmy condor]

Shouldn’t be

[unique sorrel]

Yeah I saw the last whispyr commit

[balmy condor]

No

I complained enough

It’s over

No more

Fuck that

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

Sepsis needs to die an ugly death

[drifting cloud]

a bit rude

[balmy condor]

Death by pizza slicer

[spice spire]

Sorry been busy otherwise I’d be doing them. Can’t go as in depth as I would prefer doing

[tight atlas]

What kind of uptime do you expect for envenom on a boss like vol? If were pooling correctly*

[balmy condor]

You did your time in 10.1

[slow needle]

Its down there for some reason.

[balmy condor]

Like 97%?

[drifting cloud]

whispyr just so you know, im gonna play assa on smolderon tonight and if we wipe under 1%

[lofty junco]

not worth using catalyst for veteran gear even if it gives 4pc?

[drifting cloud]

its somehow your fault

[balmy condor]

Ok

[drifting cloud]

even if I do 200k dps

[tight atlas]

So damn near 100% if playing correct. Thank you @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Tier > everything but idk if I’d be desperate enough to start catalysting dogshit gear like that

Seems a bit extreme

[eternal heath]

Extreme memes

[unique sorrel]

Amazing

[lofty junco]

well I'm at 458 atm and the good gear for catalyst always goes to dh and druids -.-

[oak tangle]

i haven't seen your stance on this one, but do you go out of your way to get 5+ cp when you know you'll need to rupture refresh, so that you can envenom, build for rupture then build for a envenom after?

[slow needle]

M+ exists.

[balmy condor]

Do like two m+ keys

[south wing]

that’s a lie

[slow needle]

Just run Everbloom.

[balmy condor]

No

[slow needle]

You need to for the trinket.

[south wing]

an old wives tale

[manic quartz]

Should i be refreshing rupture during dance in opener or just stick to envenoms and maybe get it snapped during vanihs or vanish for garrote +envenoms?

[slow needle]

And plenty of gear to put into catalyst there.

I think it had like 3/5 slots covered?

Can't remember the loot table off the top of my head.

[oak tangle]

so if it happens it happens, if not let envenom drop and go again?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[raw raft]

i be forgetting to chain sometimes and when i have energy just press that shit over and over lmfao

[oak tangle]

kk

[lofty junco]

i did 8

[balmy condor]

Do more

[raw raft]

heroic signet went to our dh and he doesn't even have it equipped on prog

deadge

[south wing]

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t equip a heroic signet either probably if I had a sandglass

[raw raft]

hmm i did upgrade my sandglass to 483 now so i should rerun my droptimizer

i did get dagger and vers ring off igira tho so i won't complain about loot

[drifting cloud]

signet aint rogue loot

unless you did splits or saw alot of them drop

[midnight atlas]

sandglass sims higher than hc signet

[raw raft]

all the loot is my loot when i'm top dam

😛

[strange python]

you're like the dude that says that in raid chat aren't you

[midnight atlas]

classic hunter take

[balmy condor]

That’s one way to get kicked off a raid team

[vast loom]

ive been running top gear and upgrading all my loot to max, THEN i use that result to run droptimizers

[dark token]

Isn't it our bis by like 2k DPS (heroic) on long fights

Why would it not be rogue loot

[sturdy path]

!branch

almost

[strange python]

you gotta ping memz for that

he has a graphic

[balmy condor]

Yeah you’re looking for !guide

[strange python]

or that

[balmy condor]

And then you go to wowheads gear page

And there’s a huge paragraph

[strange python]

I've seen memz graphic 84 times now

and i still dont fucking get it ngl

nor have i tried to get it

I just like it

[oak tangle]

which one

[strange python]

ahh there he is

[sturdy path]

found it, thanks!

[oak tangle]

i've got a fewm ore

[strange python]

we got a guy that needs your branch graphic

[surreal citrus]

banch

[strange python]

ugh no

give him branch

[balmy condor]

I always give em the branch

[surreal citrus]

can we pin these

[strange python]

@sturdy path

[hexed willow]

What’s the weird crossbones thing

[drifting cloud]

yeah but of the classes that want it, we should be pretty much dead last thats why I said unless you saw alot of them drop

[strange python]

wtf that's the rogue

[balmy condor]

Fuck no with a capital fuck

[oak tangle]

step 1 press branch, step 2 walk to first orb (2) step 3 walk to second orb (3)

[surreal citrus]

that's an outlaw rogue

[hexed willow]

No the daggers is the rogue

[fallen forge]

do u see the green poison

[strange python]

obv daggers

[dark token]

Why? Do they gain more from it?

It's a flat proc no

Or are you saying we just have other good trinkets

[true flume]

for council are we focusing on bleeding up all 3 targets consistently?

[hexed willow]

It also is shit for m+

[dark token]

And they dont

[sturdy path]

the orbs come to you or come to your original position when trinket was used?

[drifting cloud]

this

[hexed willow]

Hail hourglass and pips!

[dark token]

It's really good in m+

[timid talon]

guys how do i gaslight my guild into giving me outlaw gear too to prepare for doomsday (december 5th)?

[balmy condor]

The two you can hit

[dark token]

U just have to chain pull properly

[strange python]

just farm WCM bro

and get a nick

[dark token]

It will be sub gear

[balmy condor]

You don’t because it’s not doomsday

[hexed willow]

But I’m not the tank I don’t pull

[hexed willow]

You don’t, well be fine

[lime crypt]

when do I play around sanguine then? only in aoe scenario? or do I never play around it?

[balmy condor]

This dudes got no game

[hexed willow]

Plus youd switch sub first

[strange python]

I think as long as crackshot is a requirement - i wont be playing outlaw

[balmy condor]

Never

[dark token]

Calling it rn on Dec 5 sub gets aoe buffs and sin gets overall nerfs causing sub to be the best spec in raid and m+. All according to plan

[lime crypt]

gg

[balmy condor]

You have tier

[dark token]

U can call me Mr prophet

[balmy condor]

Sanguine gameplay overwritten

[hexed willow]

Wtb tricks?

[dark token]

Outlaw will get no changes

[timid talon]

you might, but im not

[hexed willow]

I kid I kid

Nah I like sin’s gameplay

[timid talon]

Sub is so unfun compared to sin too

[hexed willow]

Nerfing the number is fine if the gameplay stays the same

[balmy condor]

Coaching is 40 an hour buddy boy

[drifting cloud]

aslong as they nerf tindral so I can play assa on last 2 thats fine with me

[dark token]

Ye I agree with this

[dark token]

It will be sub last 2

I guarantee

[oak tangle]

if you did pin my branch it should be !brantch

[dark token]

Sub seems ass to play on tindral tbh

[drifting cloud]

nah, assa prob still king on fyrakk

[dark token]

CDs around roots?

[lime crypt]

so now im fully spending my energy till i can´t cast envenom no more- there i just pool and garrote/rupture whenever its necessary, ye?

[dark token]

Weirdge

[balmy condor]

Ye

[drifting cloud]

70-0 just means more execute value!

[dark token]

You can already play assa on tindral anyway

They are both good atm

[drifting cloud]

can, but prob shouldnt for early prog atleast

[balmy condor]

What

[manic quartz]

idk what happened in our last tindral pull but when the first roots hit i went to 1,4m dps 😄

[drifting cloud]

would be VERY surprised if its not nerfed next week anyways

[balmy condor]

Why wouldn’t you

[strange python]

oh you just gotta get lucky

with a KB spatter

[balmy condor]

The race had more assa on tindral than anything else

[dark token]

Our spriest is re rolling hunter and our Aug is rerolling warlock for roots dmg lol

[drifting cloud]

assa good root dmg, sub better root dmg

[strange python]

sometimes it's your day to parse 100, sometimes it's not

[drifting cloud]

basically what it comes down to for early pulls

[hexed willow]

Oh I meant tricks of the trade

[manic quartz]

yeah, that was insane pull but tank walked somehow to multiple shrooms and died, rip that pull.

[hexed willow]

You know, the bestest talent ever

[dark token]

Do I get discount

[strange python]

oh yeah i see this happen a lot too. I'll be having a STOOPID pull. I mean KB musta crit 100% of the time...wipe

[balmy condor]

You don’t want me redirecting aggro my girl is Mexican

[strange python]

on the kills, i die

[ashen rose]

can someone please remind me how to sim different weapon runes

[strange python]

temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (haste) Howling rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (mastery) Hissing rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:hissing_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (AP) Whetstone rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3
copy="no weapon oil"
temporary_enchant=disabled```

[candid nymph]

/wa

[woeful cipher]

Anyone have council tips? Trying to keep rupture up on all 3 or just the 2 stacked? Run bone spike?

[dark token]

Go IC

[hexed willow]

We had a raider get beat with chanclas cause their girlfriend overheard someone else’s convo in discord

[gusty mirage]

IC is a wash if your tanks suck at stacking 2 of them

[hexed willow]

I don’t want that aggro

[dark token]

Try to cooldown only when 2t stacked

[dark token]

My tanks are gods I had a dm with them triple stacked mid fight

In the tiny ass IC range

It was incredible

[proven jasper]

Yeah i just play st with spatter man my group cant stack that for shit

[gusty mirage]

Jealous

[ebon notch]

Only if you let him abuse you while he coaches

[dark token]

Then I got quaked as soon as I pressed dm

[royal lantern]

kill boss once, the hug the Bench and be Happy

[strange python]

They don't need to be grouped long for Spatter to be better than IB on council.
Just during the right ticks of KB.

[south wing]

I liked stank

[dark token]

[blazing jewel]

The temptation to post a gachi gif

[strange python]

i'd just go spatter and not look back.

[woeful cipher]

Yeah idt were gonna have great stacking, do you guys try to keep rupture up on all 3

[ebon notch]

[proven jasper]

Group do be a little stanky

[strange python]

just 2 normally, 1 if not easy

[frigid pilot]

how r ppl parsing tindral hc? their other raiders afk on roots?

[dark token]

That or line up ur CD for roots better

Like try to dm ~8-10s before root

So final ticks of kingsbane and vanish is causing ur spatter to 100% crit on them

Same idea as igira

[frigid pilot]

🤔

[royal lantern]

i dont like the current gameplay cus of Shit like that

[dark token]

Nah it's fun to do micro optimization like that imo

It's boring when u do same thing every fight and send CDs on cd

[candid nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gusty mirage]

you beat them to the punch on roots

[oak tangle]

by this do you mean, if your tanks don't pull the mobs and boss together you do no damage?

[gusty mirage]

by peaking to over 1million DPS

[dark token]

Why is it ur tanks fault

Raiders should be dropping spears and roots in melee range of boss

If it's not it's their fault not tank

[oak tangle]

i mean yes

[royal lantern]

padding on roots and spears is no "micro optimization", its padding

[gusty mirage]

roots and spears need to die though

[oak tangle]

i do realise how dumb my comment is now, but my tanks don't stack mobs on larodar

[gusty mirage]

how is that padding

[frigid pilot]

how do u convince tank to not chainpull in keys?

[dark token]

^

[frigid pilot]

im losing so much stealth value

[dark token]

Roots only thing u can die to on tindral

[frigid pilot]

almost making me wanna outlaw

[gusty mirage]

you don't

you tell them to chain pull better

if they're chaining with a mob at sub 5%

they're trolling

[dark token]

Play sub or law

[frigid pilot]

ye 5% chain

[gusty mirage]

outlaw loses more damage from chain pulling

but okay

[frigid pilot]

cringe thing about outlaw is needing a completely sep wep for it

[dark token]

I had a tank pull 9 mobs through the whole dungeon constantly

[frigid pilot]

as opposed to sin/sub

[dark token]

We didn't stop once

It was amazing

Right as we kill 3-4 he pulls 3-4 more

[frigid pilot]

when did they change our extra ruptures/.garrote to prio mobs without debuff?

feel like i missed that change

[gusty mirage]

none of that counters my point that outlaw loses more dps than assassination from constant chain pulling

[dark token]

Keeping 6 up all the time

[frigid pilot]

its lit though

[dark token]

I wasn't trying to counter ur point, just relating a fun chain pull experience I had when it's done correctly

[strange python]

This never has mathed for me - like what does outlaw do from stealth, ambush? We literally get 10 sec of spreading bleeds from it.

[dark token]

You think the stealth reset is more important on outlaw than sin?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[south wing]

they press BtE

[manic quartz]

uptime on AR and stuff ye?

[strange python]

just once?

I mean if you have 0 combo points, you're not BTE'ing anyway

sin gets 6 dots out - THEN goes into their chain

[gusty mirage]

are people forgetting this talent exists?

hello?

[manic quartz]

^ this

[strange python]

oh so it's outlaw mainly keeping AR up?

[balmy fog]

What pieces are you guys using for your 4 set

[oak tangle]

but keeping ar up keeps flurry up which keeps dice up

[frigid pilot]

HUH

THEY DONT LOSE AR

[strange python]

I mean i suck bad at outlaw - so like i believe you guys - i just don't see it myself

[frigid pilot]

KEK

[manic quartz]

all but legs

[vast loom]

abn crackshot

[frigid pilot]

outlaw apm is for 18 year old cracked addied up fortnite kids

[balmy fog]

Shoulder gloves helm chest?

Thanks

For my openers does it matter if I use kb and death mark after poisons or before

In pve

[manic quartz]

wut

[strange python]

lol

[balmy fog]

Like kb says it does more damage for poisons added

[strange python]

how exactly are you "doing poisons"

[balmy fog]

Does that work with the poisons before I casted kb

[strange python]

oh lol yeah just ignore that

[balmy fog]

Garote rupture

[strange python]

dont pay attention to the poisons (other than making sure they're applied to your weps)

[balmy fog]

So I just make sure everything is always casted pretty much lol

Is hekili reliable to use for my rotations when I’m not doing aoe

[hexed willow]

Crackshot is insane for them

[hexed willow]

No learning is reliable

[manic quartz]

wowhead guide for assa rogue > rotation answers your every question

[slate crown]

No, learning is reliable* 🙃

[strange python]

we're talking about getting 2 bleeds on 6 targets for 4 globals - that pretty much guarantee energy saturation through the duration of the fight (for sin) though.

[oak tangle]

it feels shit, but it's not that shit

[balmy fog]

How do I get the enchantment for my hood

I can’t find it in Auction

[strange python]

I'm just saying - the math i've seen takes improved garrote into consideration - but not IC

[hexed willow]

You win there

[hexed willow]

The time it takes isnt worth it. Saving SD/vanish is the way without slowing everyone else down

If you specifically need it

[strange python]

SD/vanish are tools outlaw has as well

this isn't about how to play sin

it's about who loses more from restealths

[runic hinge]

It’s outlaw

[hexed willow]

The difference is those are rotational abilities they’re dependent on

[oak tangle]

they do, because we don't need to restealth for the travel between packs

[hexed willow]

Because of the CDR

[strange python]

8 people can say that - but it doesn't math for me so

[hexed willow]

Ours is always 1m and 2m

[runic hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[runic hinge]

Watch the video again

[strange python]

like i said - that takes into account imp garrote - but not IC

[runic hinge]

Yes it does lol

[strange python]

ok i'll watch it

[hexed willow]

If they aren’t getting crackshot their other CDs aren’t decreasing which means that their future damage is going down

[strange python]

bruh

[runic hinge]

You think Whispyr is out here making a video not caring about talents?

Sheesh

[strange python]

I said the text

[hexed willow]

It’s a compound issue

[spice surge]

Yes but assa gets ~30 seconds of "stealth" per use of those, whereas outlaw gets 6s

[finite echo]

taking away a subterfuge window from outlaw just makes literally every other piece of the build break somewhere down the line

[hexed willow]

^

[dark token]

Dance only gives 6s but ye

[hexed willow]

It also kills their AR uptime

[dark token]

Your dots keep ticking

[strange python]

well i dunno why i'm arguing about something i dont care about anyway

[finite echo]

you drop ar
you drop dice roles
you drop energy
you drop cp generation
you get less vanishes
etc

[timber meadow]

beat a hunter on spiteful week ezgame... shits actually nothing lol whispers vid was def right

[gusty mirage]

@spice surge should we convince fuu to add "restealth" to the filter

and see how many hits we get

[spice surge]

?

[dark token]

Of IC

[hexed willow]

Wait does this mean that sub is the least affected by not being able to restealth?

[runic hinge]

You don’t get full ic off dance. Just during duration

[dark token]

Yes correct

They don't give af

[royal lantern]

ye

[dark token]

Sub wants constant chain pull 8t or st

They suck otherwise

[spice surge]

Well ye but your bleeds dont fall of the millisecond dance or ic ends

[timber meadow]

i mean spiteful just isn't that big a deal lol

[gusty mirage]

they won't listen to you

it's a lost cause

[dark token]

I thought you meant sin gets the hang of IC for like 10s after stealth so it helps a lot and outlaw doesnt

[oak tangle]

season 1 sub didn't give a f about stealth

[royal lantern]

its a free affix, just take crippling poison lol

[hexed willow]

Crippling poison mvp

[dark token]

I actually love sub this week the vanish lowering CD of evasion for spiteful

Ez dodges

[gusty mirage]

tryan been fighting the good fight for 2 tiers now

[hexed willow]

@royal lantern nice

[timber meadow]

😭

[gusty mirage]

and they still don't listen to him

[blazing jewel]

Petition to put sin in slow mode every spiteful week 📈

[vast loom]

i just hold vanish since a lot of packs die before my full DM KB finishes

[gusty mirage]

people think we're trolling when we say its not that big of a deal

[hexed willow]

I hate spiteful for trying to manage bleeds on multiple targets

[dark token]

I mean why aren't you going crippling on sin

[royal lantern]

they dont listen too purple and orange names, why do you think they listen too me?

[dark token]

You take 2x poison no?

[gusty mirage]

you're cuter than us

:3

[hexed willow]

Cause I see something without bleeds and it makes me sad

[dark token]

Atrophic + numbing

Ez

[royal lantern]

probs shock build, using that for m+ mopstly, and it has no DtB

[hexed willow]

God I wish

[royal lantern]

[strange python]

Even the analysis in the video compares Garrote with improved garrote. But it's not accounting for the fact that you're getting 3 for the price of 1 global - and then able to use other skills.

[dark token]

I dropped shock build after hybrid started simming higher with 4p

My plater hides spiteful nameplates anyway

[gusty mirage]

perma slowmode

why stop at spiteful weeks

[dark token]

Unless they are fixating me

Just hide incorp and spiteful nameplates when they are dealt with

[runic hinge]

Can only type while you’re pooling

[dark token]

Useless

[frigid kestrel]

Spiteful isn’t even that bad

[royal lantern]

i mean, you have dance for every pack aswell, so idk

[strange python]

i mean so does outlaw

[frigid kestrel]

Like, we complaining about restealths?

[runic hinge]

Everyday

[minor gate]

sorry i need some confirmation on the 4-set, is it a timing thing or is it just "envenom spam"

[strange python]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[frigid kestrel]

We have vanish and dance (and if you want to go crazy NE racial)

[oak tangle]

idk, i can get behind it feeling shit for sin to not restealth, but numbers wise i get it's not a whole lot different. but the outlaw angle if they are losing their uptimes on buffs because they have to run between packs unstealthed, that's got to be so much worse

[strange python]

It's not like outlaw is just running around with AR permanently up though lol

if they are, i'm worse than i thought at outlaw

[minor gate]

thats another thing because ive been using rupture

[spice surge]

Send all of dance+vanish immediately after stealthing on pull 1 > have no way to proc IC for next pull > complain about restealths in RH.
A tale as old as time

[minor gate]

for vanish

[timber meadow]

this song needs to be pinned for spiteful week LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM4okRvCg2g&ab_channel=MenWithoutHatsVEVO

[jaunty warren]

My issue with spiteful is not the restealth , that’s a solved problem, it’s the 3 spiteful mob that spawn next to me and kill me

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/scrubs-safety-dance-donald-faison-gif-8206639

[strange python]

i mean THAT is a skill issue lol

[minor gate]

only 3 spawn and they all choose you

[strange python]

you get a DBM warning before the mob even targets you

[gusty mirage]

yeah they need to fix the the times where they insta melee you when they spawn

cause like

[unique sorrel]

Me crying when something re-combats me from shadowmeld

[gusty mirage]

getting melee'd for 1 million as soon as you can target it

[spice surge]

We cannot go where we want to, we cant leave our friends behind

[gusty mirage]

aint the play

[minor gate]

just evasion

[plain onyx]

Is champion gear a good start to use catalyst on? or wait and save them ?

[minor gate]

problemo sovled

[oak tangle]

the irony of the whole thing, is im pretty sure there is an add with the song in it with hugh jackman

[strange python]

you guys use dbm or no? I get the warning, and either evasion or kidney it

[finite echo]

it's like 90% uptime

[unique sorrel]

Simply do what I do and rip evasion every time it’s up and bitch loudly to my team otherwise

[gusty mirage]

I'd ideally wait until you get hero track gear, but if you can't you just can't

[native silo]

Okay y'all. Who got the weak aura that prevents me from ape casting kingsbane into fyrrak right before he flies away

[finite echo]

remove subterfuge windows and stealth, that 90% plummets

[strange python]

you f'in kidding?

[plain onyx]

got it, thanks a lot

[night ferry]

Hey guys, Quik Sim reapplies rupter after it ran out, wouldn´t it be better to reapplie it during subterfuge window after vanish?

[gusty mirage]

plus we have 2 catalyst charges now, halfway to our third, and soon enough we'll get one per week

[balmy condor]

No

[minor gate]

wait so it is envenom spam, but you pandamic it for pooling reasons?

[oak tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHqpyBs1FPE

[jaunty warren]

Yep I get 3+ mobs that spawn and all target me…dbm is no help when I get all 3 at once…can only kshot if I have points and only one. So I evasion + blind and shadow step to a ranged

[gusty mirage]

having the new tier set will help you do harder content and get you better chances at hero track gear

[frosty bolt]

thanks for this. turns out im just having a skill issue this week lmao

[gusty mirage]

part of it is also shitty chain pulling by tanks

but that hurts you every week

it's just more annoying on spiteful weeks

[jaunty warren]

Based

[finite echo]

looking at spiteful vs non spite AR uptime for outlaw drops about 10%

[loud dome]

I let them know, if you want me to do any dmg you’re gonna want me to stealth

[fervent marsh]

guys my dmg profile is good?

[cerulean nest]

Nymue is up there with rashok in terms of most fun mid tier bosses

shit is exciting

[fervent marsh]

bcs im feel myself very weak... especially on this week bcs i cant stealth enough

[oak tangle]

my tank kept asking me if he should wait for me to restealth, and i kept telling him no i got this, but then he kept asking, and it was getting to the point where it was hindering me more than anything

[royal lantern]

ye, nymue is cool

[royal lantern]

scroll up for half a second

howl as disscusion

it doesnt matter

[gusty mirage]

the swirly lines that count as walls are cringe

but besides that, good boss

[royal lantern]

ye, visibility is bad

but concept is cool

[cerulean nest]

the melee dance is awesome

[gusty mirage]

smolderon is a banger as well

unironically

it's sludgefist but less cringe

[royal lantern]

we start smoldy tonight

[gusty mirage]

be prepared to be murdered by your friends

[royal lantern]

allready maxed my normal ashes

[cerulean nest]

we pulled smold for 30 mins as a meme last night without any prep

seems really fun

[royal lantern]

cus i aint gonna use branch on him

[frosty bolt]

yes for sure. im coming back from season 1 and have noticed a lot more chain pulling even in lower keys. idk what happened lol

[gusty mirage]

bro tanks who chain pull when the last pack is at like 3-4%

are actual war criminals

[royal lantern]

thats not chainpulling

[gusty mirage]

try them in the Hague

[royal lantern]

thats beeing an idiot

[jaunty warren]

Also based

[oak tangle]

my GM is an "aged" lady, and we were doing some tech where we'd get her to bop someone she was chained with and bubble herself and run. she definitely bopped herself and ran a few times

[royal lantern]

like, at that point let people reset

[royal lantern]

keys got more easy tbh

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's a push W type of season

[royal lantern]

+gear inflation is big

[dark token]

I would like it

If I had +5 yard melee range

[gusty mirage]

[cerulean nest]

yeah you gotta be IN there

[dark token]

I find it way more cringe

Due to private aura macro thing

Ruined the boss for me

[gusty mirage]

You think pushing a macro is more cringe than having your life in the hands of another person?

[willow vine]

Do you not take caustic spatter talent?

[dark token]

Yeah having this invisible debuff on me I have to squint to see and press in time

[cerulean nest]

when do they realistically nerf the last three?

[oak tangle]

i havent seen mythic nymue, but what's so fun about it, you side step some lasers and parse

[dark token]

Is pretty cringe ngl

[drifting cloud]

macro pushers

[dark token]

I'm betting tindral nerfs next week

Fyrak maybe later

Fyrak is ok especially with more gear but tindral is turbo aids

[royal lantern]

ASTRAL BREAK

"breaks your fps"

[native silo]

Okay y'all. Who got the weak aura that prevents me from ape casting kingsbane into fyrrak right before he flies away

[ashen rose]

Invalid commands: copy, temporary_enchant, copy, temporary_enchant, copy, temporary_enchant, copy, temporary_enchant, copy, temporary_enchant
I was just supposed to copy-paste this right under my /simc, right?

[gusty mirage]

in an advanced sim

won't work in any other mode on raidbots

[royal lantern]

watching dbm/bigwigs timers

[native silo]

But ape

[royal lantern]

i know the feeling man

im a ape aswell

[native silo]

Button light up button go brrrr

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

@ashen rose

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-smile-george-monkey-gif-22183141

[strange python]

p.sure you can put it in Base Player Customization too

[dark token]

Do it in post actors expert mode instead

You can use it with top gear like me

May murder ur combos tho

[hexed willow]

How do I get the tindral root spawning not to tank my FPS when I’m at the lowest settings?

[gusty mirage]

that's the best part

you can't

[strange python]

turn off nameplates?

[gusty mirage]

or wait for someone to make a plater script that hides the nameplates

you'll still lag

but not freeze up

[fallow canopy]

this may be a silly question but how do I import a plater profile from wago?

[royal lantern]

get a NASA lvl super computer that can reach 60fps in valdrakken/emereald dream

and you probs can do it

[mighty nexus]

Im at like 30 frames in Val and tswift roots don’t bork my frames much

Might just need to see if addons/wa are helping the roots tank your frames

[gusty mirage]

ye its for sure nameplate addons that almost brick your game

same issue happened on anduin

[blazing jewel]

If you play Taylor Swift at an uncomfortable volume you won’t lag

[open arrow]

so in aoe opener, how many targets is reasonable to spread garrote and rupture to? like if there

[mighty nexus]

can confirm

[blazing jewel]

Tswift is countered by Tswift

[open arrow]

there's 8 targets, do you spread to like 6 and then just go for tempest

and mutilate to keep caustic spatter up?

[mighty nexus]

I usually open garrote from stealth, ambush, rupture, fok, rupture then proceed to do rotation stuff

[open arrow]

okay so you just let 2 targets have garrote and just do normal aoe after second rupture

got it

[manic quartz]

surely you want 2 garrotes back to back in 6 targets

[dawn anchor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mighty nexus]

Ye, 2 garrotes. My b.

I mistyped

[south wing]

if not I’m playing the spec wrong

[royal lantern]

I DROPPED A MYTHIC BOE

AND WE CANT SELL YET

https://tenor.com/view/controlmypc-cat-screaming-discord-gif-20582295

it even has leech

jesus

healers would kill for it

and cant sell

thanks blizz

a<yäpigdhpasg

[manic quartz]

im lazy and almost no matter the target count ill just stick to my original target and get garrotes/ruptures off from it

[unique sorrel]

Just give it to a healer for free 🙂

[slim hamlet]

would've been easy gold cap week 1

[royal lantern]

our priest litearlly just got it 😄

[slim hamlet]

so u can trade BoE's still?

We were not sure

[royal lantern]

trade yes

but cant sell

[slim hamlet]

yepyep

[royal lantern]

like, can give raid members, but not ah

[true drum]

hey guys what did you say..... can we play with "Witherbarks branch" and "ashes of the Embersoul"?

[strange python]

Mythic BOE's are for mythic raiders - not peasants

[hexed willow]

Shit gotta find that. Maybe I can modify the morchi script

[open arrow]

but do you still use snd in aoe? like in both wowhead and icyveins it sais to cast snd but that must just be in low target counts/if you really need to focus something down no?

[cobalt gyro]

it's still poison procs

[mighty nexus]

Theoretically SnD should be at like 99% uptime

[frigid pilot]

can u do mythic if ur unsaved and xfer in the same reset?

[proven jasper]

Snd up all the time even in aoe

[manic quartz]

yes you cast snd like once in the whole dungeon

[cobalt gyro]

and with 4pc you want to be casting envenoms so it should basically never fall off

it does sometimes tho depending on the dgn

looking at you doti

[manic quartz]

well yes but rarely, then just get it up again

[strange python]

The same tanks that chain pull poorly, and pull bosses while last shade is at 1%...
On non spiteful weeks, will stand at the boss waiting for your SND to fall off before pulling.

[mighty nexus]

If you SnD during the first pull, you shouldn’t have to do it again unless your tank is just borking the route up or something

[manic quartz]

what script? 😮

i've just manually hiding the nameplates :p

[hexed willow]

https://wago.io/03uVqaHJI

Plater script that hides only the morchie adds nameplates so you can clearly see the hats

[mental fern]

where can i find and can someone help me with today's sustain damage, burst damage, mini burst damage rottation for assasination in arena

[chrome marlin]

Around what % of dmg should caustic spatter be doing in dungs? trying to make sure Im using it correctly

[strange python]

we can tell you how to pve a mother fucker

maybe the #pvp channel?

[mighty nexus]

Probably #pvp

oof, I replied to the wrong one

Fingers no work

[frigid pilot]

why is outlaw dungeon slice 60k above sin?

[strange python]

could be target count? not sure personally

[cobalt gyro]

its really keys and group dependant, if you don't really get to slam big kingsbanes into a target it's gonna do less

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice good for specs with no burst

[proven jasper]

#flex

[balmy condor]

Assa has always had issues competing numerically in dungeonslice

But that’s also just like

Not the point

[frigid pilot]

ye im good on aoe packs as outlaw dog on boss

but as sin its average on packs godmode on boss

[balmy condor]

The number dslice spits out is basically irrelevant

[strange python]

yeah some bosses i finish at like 340-370k this week, it's nuts

[upper belfry]

Guys can some1 tell me when to use branch ? Same time as I use kingsbane ?

[proven jasper]

Macro to dm

[frigid pilot]

how much of a diff is vanishing for kingsbane etc.

[timber meadow]

i tend to look at dslice as more just "the specific numbers here are irrelevant but here's the gear you should prob use"

[frigid pilot]

and the mastery tea for it

[balmy condor]

That’s a terrifying “etc”

[vagrant hearth]

!Dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[royal lantern]

thats how you should use it, yes

good boy

❤️

[fresh ingot]

smol question - do i need 2 daggers or is mainhand enough for assa spec? im swapping from outlaw and only have 1 dagger atm

[strange python]

u need 2

[fresh ingot]

Sadge

ty

[royal lantern]

cant use mutilate with only 1 dagger

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[cursive frost]

The icon has 2 daggers on it for a reason

[proven jasper]

Ambush only assa build

No mutilate

[frigid pilot]

im asking bout the vanish kb benefit cus on tindral for example its nice to just vanish the root

[cobalt gyro]

well you'll get nightstalker + master assassin on it

[royal lantern]

only MA

[fleet turtle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cobalt gyro]

ah it snapshots huh

[royal lantern]

ye

sadly

[cobalt gyro]

F

[royal lantern]

cringeshots 🙂

[cobalt gyro]

well, then you get MA on whatever ticks you cover so whatever that's worth to u basically

[latent pike]

hey just had a quick question, should I just look to stack crit and mastery as high as possible or are there breakpoints where I should go for haste

[gusty mirage]

you'd vanish the last 3s

[rotund jungle]

Hey guys the KB WA doesnt show me the vanish tick, anyone knows why ?

[gusty mirage]

to cover the last 2 big hits

[royal lantern]

ye, its mostly, higher crit chance for the last 1-2 kb ticks, re-applying a empowered garrote/rupture

[cobalt gyro]

im lazy so i just tb + tea the last few seconds

yolo my vanishes

[muted ridge]

!spatter

[slate crown]

Do you have MA talented?

[muted ridge]

i tried, anyone got the WA for Spatter track?

[pure raptor]

Do you think Assassination will be nerfed? the logs look like this

[spice spire]

And ur inting

[slate crown]

!wa I don't think there's "a" WA to track spatter, it's a pretty straightforward aura that most packs have which you can grab

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cobalt gyro]

I didn't say i wasn't inting

[spice spire]

If sin gets nerfed. All rogues will be. Logs without externals paint a different picture than logs with

[cobalt gyro]

i just said i'm lazy

[muted ridge]

I saw Zerocool have it

middle of his foken screen

xd

[spice spire]

Not saying we’re bad by any means.
But we’re not omega S+++++ that external logs show

[gusty mirage]

he also tracks the 2pc for whatever fucking reason

[muted ridge]

ye 2p tracker is wild there xd

[spice spire]

We’re def normal S with rest of rogues. Maybe even below DH

[mighty nexus]

tracking a 2p with 99.9% passive uptime

[gusty mirage]

@muted ridge https://wago.io/800VqL-XX this is what most people use or some variation of it

[spice spire]

He’s real for that

[gusty mirage]

for spatter

[muted ridge]

cheers Oxi

[gusty mirage]

either as part of their WA pack or solo tracking it

[muted ridge]

i am actually WA handicaped so ye, had to ask professionals

[cobalt gyro]

only shows target

[slate crown]

Some reasons may be why:

1. You don't have Master Assassin Talented.
2. Your vanish is simply on CD when it would otherwise show
3. You (or if you got the aura from somewhere other than Wago) changed the Custom Option to disable the vanish tick.
4. Your Vanish is ready, but you don't have deathmark on the target, and you have the Custom Option selected to suppress vanish without deathmark

[royal lantern]

and ur not even playing the game

(based btw)

[spice spire]

Yeah most based thing I could do

[swift magnet]

from where are the IC replicated garrotes/rupt are applied? from the target or the player position?

[slate crown]

It's a pretty simple aura to use as a learning opportunity if you want to make it yourself 🙂 Up to you.

[jade hedge]

Is there any normal branch wa?

[rotund jungle]

ty mate was the last thingy

[slate crown]

What does "normal" mean here?

[slate crown]

I have a branch WA, idn if it's normal tho , but it's what a lot of people are using

[royal lantern]

not heroic/mythic

[strange python]

LE isn't normal

[jade hedge]

Share link please

[slate crown]

!wa click on LE Profile below, first or second result should be the branch aura

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cobalt gyro]

i feel like with my gear i should be doing a lot more than this on sims though https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7KLvmmmZX7jG4SKJkN1KD4 sadge

[mighty nexus]

seems about right to me tbh

[rapid meteor]

do we ever shiv outside of kb in m+? idk if i am maybe just fucking my cd's but it seems like sometimes i might want to buff my bleeds because i don't have a cd for a pack. i suppose with proper syncing of shiv + kb i shouldn't ever have this case of wanting to shiv outside of kb (ARTERIAL SPEC)

[strange python]

it goes up pretty quick from like 458 to 475'ish and tier, etc. the jump is massive.

oh you have 4p

[jade hedge]

Can I somehow update simple mod to just show orb buff with stacks on it and remaining seconds? Instead of bar?

[cobalt gyro]

yeah 4p added like 30k dps to it

[arctic hare]

Yeah, the jump is ridiculous

Are you in aoe spec?

[dusk onyx]

is it just me or is the hybrid build lackin in ST target in M+?!

[faint path]

What should we craft for our 3rd piece?

[strange python]

I started the tier out at 437 ilvl, and am at 475 4p. I went from like 80k sims to 200k pretty quick.

[faint path]

Not really tbh

[cobalt gyro]

raid buffs puts me at 157k

hmmm

[arctic hare]

Oh, you had no raid buffs 😂