assassination

[foggy terrace]

thanks

[quiet oar]

Pips is also good for M+

[foggy terrace]

my luck in raid is literally shitty

i got 0 loot from both normal and hc with 2 chars on reset xD

on a 25 man raid

both

[ancient rain]

did anyone test sims with 2 teas during kingsbane vs 1 tea at the end?

[upper spear]

ive lost 2 hero Branches to tanks this week

https://tenor.com/view/tissue-roll-hangging-suicide-funny-gif-22276377

[flint tusk]

"lost"

[upper spear]

they arent using them

[flint tusk]

But it was them who looted them right?

[grim jay]

You cant lose what was never yours to begin with

[upper spear]

it was also them who vendored it

[flint tusk]

and it was theirs to vendor

[upper spear]

[flint tusk]

if you had another tank it wouldn't have droped shrug

[junior aurora]

also how do u know they arent using it

[grim jay]

Just join the #nobranchclub

[junior aurora]

veng dh could very well be tanking to grind gear for havoc

[upper spear]

idk about you but i do keys with people i know

so

theres that

[flint tusk]

uhm

[junior aurora]

and if they’re not using it and u know them

why wouldnt they give it to you?

[upper spear]

ilvl

[flint tusk]

so you're telling me you run a dungeon with "people you know" and didn't prearrange the trinket? not very good people to know imo

[junior aurora]

🤷🏻‍♂️ skill issue ig

[upper spear]

yes i didnt ask 4 other people to funnel me, we just run what we have

[celest marlin]

Hmm why is Top Gear showing me Crit/Vers gemmed neck is better then crit/mast one?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cYhL7zzSsVAbSbB775JPMW

[flint tusk]

you run with a healer who can get branch to drop

Woah

magic

[grim jay]

Because its better for you

[junior aurora]

you likely dont have a lot of vers

vers is still good on assa its just usually not as good, its value goes up the less of it you have to equal out

also blazefury medallion specifically has a unique effect thats decent

[upper spear]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-brilliant-hilary-duff-kelsey-peters-younger-you-are-smart-gif-21362870

[fallen knoll]

Ok but if you know them and both you and them know they ain't gonna use it why didn't they just give it to you?

[flint tusk]

why thank you.

[grim jay]

He just said ilvl

[flint tusk]

also funneling doesn't mean trading one bit of gear that is know as giga BIS it's called being decent xD

"oh i don't need this does anyone want it?"

[fallen knoll]

Sus

[keen spruce]

why are these people like

3k-3100 gamers

and get into everbloom

and their brain falls out of their head

[boreal junco]

is this gear and stats alright?

[upper spear]

had a 3200 hunter try and flame me for not shrouding the dragon after 2nd boss in Fall 🙂

[royal lantern]

they played guardian druid/augvoker last season and enjoyed the free +26keys and free raidspots

thats how

[flint tusk]

Please can you begin your story at the beginning

[keen spruce]

but like

[junior aurora]

you can vanish it off

[keen spruce]

they got 3k

rn

so they can't be that bad

[junior aurora]

and you can also distract it

[grim jay]

Except for the crafted dagger seems alright, whatever alright is

[keen spruce]

we will not be using distract on a mechanic that can be defeated by walking around it

[upper spear]

^^^^

[junior aurora]

it makes it 100% success rate

[upper spear]

thank u

[junior aurora]

dunno why you wouldnt

[royal lantern]

high score often just means "plays allot"

playing allot doesnt mean you play good

[boreal junco]

ty

[cunning basin]

Distract is just the anti pug measure

[keen spruce]

because walking around it is also a 100% success rate

[junior aurora]

not in pugs

[upper spear]

[cunning basin]

Not in pugs LMAO

[keen spruce]

if my team dies i just rez them in the next area

[flint tusk]

if mine die they stay dead like the bitches they are

[upper spear]

i pull it intentionally so i can pad the Overall with an extra DM pull

[junior aurora]

use dm on the next pull

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[keen spruce]

DM teh double dragon

[junior aurora]

i promise ur overall will be higher that way

[keen spruce]

[cunning basin]

Idk it takes half a second to distract the dragon and makes the skip literally impossible to fuck up unless you attack the dragon

[keen spruce]

why DM one dragon

when u can DM two dragons

[cunning basin]

Do dragons even have discord? How u gonna DM them?

[keen spruce]

instagram

[upper spear]

ur DM will be up for the 2 dragfon on the next pull

?

[junior aurora]

yeah never have i thought my overall was gonna go up after more st pulls in a dungeon

[flint tusk]

sweet summer child stay innocent and pure

don't go to the dark places

[keen spruce]

how long are yall taking to kill that dragon

that your DM is comin up for the next pull

[junior aurora]

if its up for that dragon it would be up for the double dragon if u skip

[upper spear]

idk sub 1 min big drag

sub 1 min double drag

[cunning basin]

I have a wife and 2 girlfriends I don't know if I count as innocent and pure

[upper spear]

so DM for next douyble drag

[royal lantern]

im resiting the urge too link FA rn so hard, you cant belive it

[flint tusk]

why not 3?

[cunning basin]

Bc I'm ugly and fat

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-nervous-anxious-old-disease-gif-9312517

[cunning basin]

I play wow

Like hello? Xd

[flint tusk]

let the voices win

DOOOO ITTT

[keen spruce]

well yeah if you deathmark later ofc it will be up

on a different pack

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-21960775

[grim jay]

Whats fa

[cunning basin]

Honestly just send deathmark on everything

[upper spear]

^

[flint tusk]

@royal lantern YOU CAUGHT ONE!!!! REEL IT IN!!!

[keen spruce]

I'll deathmark a fuckin everbloom flower if it's the only thing alive when that CDs ends

[surreal spear]

Yeah im just smacking everything in pugs

[cunning basin]

Fucking based. And also same

[grim jay]

Someone needs to bite the bullet

[west cove]

Does anyone got any good video guides they recommend regarding Sin M+ gameplay? I've played rogue for years and always managed to perform well in M+ regardless of spec, even when off meta I would typically be highest DPS, least damage taken etc. However I got my Sin 4 set yesterday and sitting at 472 ilvl I am struggling to get above 180k overall consistently. With and Aug I will got to about 220/230k but I feel I am missing some basics in terms of cooldown timings and usage, my damage output feels really inconsistent. I've read the IV and WoWhead guides and feel I understand the theory in the main but for whatever reason for the first time I am unable to maximise the class output. TIA

[honest maple]

How big of a deal is the weapon itemlevel in MH for Assassination? Would i.e. 450 to 480 be a gigantic upg?

[flint tusk]

yes

[junior aurora]

yes

[honest maple]

Awesome

[cunning basin]

Yes

[south wing]

yes

[junior aurora]

mh weapon biggest impact slot for all mdps

[cunning basin]

Mh item level is the one that matters

[upper spear]

yes

yes

[grim jay]

If you wanna craft a MH the answer is still no

[upper spear]

yes

yes

no

[keen spruce]

whispyr on youtube. he also writes the wowhead guides but has much good youtube content. not sure about dedicated M+ strategy and stuff

[cunning basin]

Offhand is just put your second highest ilevel nick of time or if you don't have 2, throw your next highest ilevel dagger in there

[keen spruce]

but good concept and spec basics

[junior aurora]

offhand is who cares

[cunning basin]

Offhand is hardly a real slot

[south wing]

a man of culture I see

[junior aurora]

ilvl doesnt matter really just try to get a second nick of time for the proc

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/adele-hello-hello-its-me-gif-4808927

Its still stats

[upper spear]

think i did 10 or so Falls today for a Nick

[flint tusk]

but i got a whole 976 sim dps from upgrading my nick from 4/8 champion to 8/8 champion Poggers

[west cove]

thank you! I feel like I am missing something, though it could be non optimized kingsbane usage due to mobs dieing too fast etc, holding it too long other times, I need to learn more.

[cunning basin]

Me when timestrike
Me when no timestrike

[flint tusk]

[junior aurora]

yeah but prob the least impactful slot

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-innuendo-he-hehe-gif-26119856

Me having to add timestrike to my plater blacklist.

[grim jay]

Timestrike dn

[balmy condor]

Amen

[cunning basin]

That slaps

[wise gull]

Can't decide between neck or gloves

have myth shoulders already

[keen spruce]

assas also very much higher key = higher damage

[grim jay]

Just get all slots to 483, ez

[royal lantern]

neck lol

[keen spruce]

hard to really get ramped up with dots in lower keys

[junior aurora]

i just press shiv on cd in lower keys and bank on sudden demise carrying the overall

[royal lantern]

you can turn any gloves into tier gloves

you dont know the next time the neck shows up, if at all

@wise gull

[keen spruce]

neck technically gets replaced by a raid neck?

but also what tryan said

[upper spear]

false, they have to be cool gloves.

[wise gull]

would it be worth holding off to see if kazzak neck drops?

since it's close

[royal lantern]

idk man, im not doing that kazzak shit lol

[cunning basin]

Same

[west cove]

yes I feel like that could eb the case also, more time to ramp up etc I am comfortably doing 18/19 when I try them. 20's would also be comfortable too I believe. But I am less than happy with my performance atm

[lofty junco]

we just carried a mage through +11 waycrest https://i.imgur.com/cfwkpxa.png

[junior aurora]

kazzak neck not bis for assa

[grim jay]

Depends on his raid goals

[lofty junco]

this damage for 450 ilvl is abysmal

[cunning basin]

YO SICK MAGE BRO IS CRAAAAANKIN

[keen spruce]

bruh that is not a key you finish

on principle

[grim jay]

Well its not close

[upper spear]

tru

[keen spruce]

that's a "i'm leaving this group after 2nd boss"

[grim jay]

First

[wise gull]

we're low rank CE but who knows how many times we'll actually kill tindral lmao

[junior aurora]

ive only left one group this season

[oak tangle]

how does someone do that low dps

[cunning basin]

Shmeeps with the objectively correct take as usual

[junior aurora]

monk tank died twice on the same opening pull in everbloom

was not wasting my time with that lol

[lofty junco]

still worked for +2. i did it for points anyway^^

[upper spear]

fire, not his fault

[keen spruce]

but you've funded terrorism

[wise gull]

im just gonna rip the neck because killing kazzak every day is cringe

[grim jay]

Yeah and many specs want it. For sin its not even that important that its the specific neck.

[keen spruce]

that was the cost of your +2

[wise gull]

[cunning basin]

Fire still bis for keys that guy just sucks

[lofty junco]

[keen spruce]

you armed the terrorists with io

[grim jay]

Kazzak is equal to 472 neck

[upper spear]

havent seen one yet, hella Arcane tho

[oak tangle]

the immolation aura on my 427 DH does more dps than him

[lofty junco]

dh....cringe

[junior aurora]

frost is bis in my heart

[cunning basin]

Ye, arcane was it for a minute till people realized fire is still fire

[quiet oar]

@royal lantern How does it feel that you can truely One Trick now, even in M+ ?

[west cove]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/outland/cain having to pool at 15% haste to reset an envenom pool feels bad on occasion, what %haste are most people sitting at?

[grim jay]

Frost is giga

[junior aurora]

isnt tryan one of those m+ haters

[wise gull]

Got it.

[upper spear]

heard someone talking about some heavy mastery Fire mage being nuts

[keen spruce]

if you're playing assas you dgaf about the kazzak neck

[grim jay]

Yea

[oak tangle]

ok i lied

[junior aurora]

yeah so he could 1 trick whenever anyway lol

[oak tangle]

but it is ballpark

[cunning basin]

Pooling feels bad no matter your haste, you're gonna sit there and wait for 5 seconds doing nothing, energy Regen from haste is like nonexistent

[upper spear]

is that legit just passive dam, idk how it works

[oak tangle]

you have to press the ability, but it just radiates

[upper spear]

nice

[quiet oar]

Yeah but i remember him saying he played sub the last season for Gearing in M+

[upper spear]

love losing to that

[quiet oar]

But can be wrong

[junior aurora]

sub was braindead for big gain so why not right

2 button aoe spec 3 button st spec

[west cove]

so I am not doing anything majorly wrong when those times occur, sitting at max combo points letting rupture/garrote fall of for s short period waiting to ramp again?

[fallen knoll]

If fireball is his #1 dps spell this guy has no clue how to play the spec, flamestrike 450k lol

[molten galleon]

How exactly we wanna collect the withers branch orbs ?

[grim jay]

Thats the stuff I heard from people not using rupture in aoe

[junior aurora]

rupture was the 2nd button

[cunning basin]

Well, you don't let garrote and rupture fall off, but yeah you will just be sitting there doing actual nothing a nonzero amount of the time

That's a feature of the spec, from our research it's actually a DPS gain to alt tab and shitpost in RH while pooling to maximize your value to time investment

[delicate trench]

is porcelain crab bugged its showing me its giving me 38 mastery in auras

it is supposed to be more than that yes /

[grim jay]

In reality you didnt use much less than on sin rn

[willow scroll]

I reaply garrote after kings and reapply rapture after vanish?

[west cove]

thank you, also noob question I have always tab targets on large packs to spread garrote/rupture but someone told me yesterday that from stealth you can garotte the same target and it will spread to non affected enemies? This doesnt ring true?

[junior aurora]

i mean ive played both, button count might be the same but cadence for sub was so much easier

[royal lantern]

good

still hate m+ and would prefer it beeing fully overhauled cusnthe current version of it sucks

[cunning basin]

Ye, garrote and rupture spreading with IC has smart targeting so it prioritizes unaffected targets

[junior aurora]

you can fuck up sin aoe rn, you cant fuck up sub aoe last patch

[lofty junco]

don't we let the improved garrote and rupture fall off and apply normal ones after that?

[fallen knoll]

Ic has 10s window and smart targeting so you could just spam it on 1 target

[west cove]

oh that makes things smoother on pull

[cunning basin]

Garrote yes, rupture, yes if you have the opportunity but it's like a 50 DPS gain bc rupture hits like a wet noodle

[keen spruce]

if you garrote the same target twice. it will garrote 3 targets the first time (target +2 mobs). the 2nd garrote will be 2 more targets (target again + 2 mobs). for a total of 5 garrotes. if you tab target to something that doens't have garrote on it. you will get 6 garrotes out instead

[quiet oar]

Tbh the current season is totally fine for me

[keen spruce]

so do with that information what you want

[cunning basin]

What shmeeps said

[upper spear]

i forced Assa to 3k in Nyalotha. this tier is a dream come true

[quiet oar]

The last two Season were annoying

[cunning basin]

So basically use the target count of the pull to inform how you tab target or don't

[quiet oar]

to equip for raid

[lofty junco]

so let improved garrote fall off, and it doesn't rly matter for rupture?

[cunning basin]

Yeah, I mean ideally you want it to fall off and immediately reapply it

Like it's not a gain if you let it fall off and it's off for 5 seconds

[oak tangle]

when your garrotes and or ruptures cast on both dragons before the blight of galakrond boss

[cunning basin]

Or maybe it is, I don't know the math, but it feels bad and my brain yells at me when dots aren't up

[lucid rain]

box rng on the vdh

[cunning basin]

Mine never do, I always gotta tab to those fuckers

[grim jay]

It sucks ngl

[young sand]

am I wrong, or is it not possible to sim sudden demise in any way?

[upper spear]

grats

[junior aurora]

you take it for the 10% bleed dam

the execute isnt simmable and is just extra

[oak tangle]

i wish i could set like 2 focus targets, and be able to tab between them and ignore smol trash

[upper spear]

anyone else tried running Signet Brand in keys during this Spiteful?

just delete your stealth button

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/la-olorosa-the-rock-smell-whats-cooking-dwayne-johnson-gif-15337437

Bro cooking and it doesnt smell nice

[cunning basin]

I put my crab back in for m+

Signet brand is so beyond useless in m+

Shit fucks in st

[fallen knoll]

Signet outside of raid is just giga bad

[oak tangle]

i use branch

[upper spear]

i just got accelerator out of a 20 today, so we gucci now. but holy fuck was that thing annoying

[oak tangle]

cause evasion is for spitefuls

[grim jay]

Its even giga bad on the shorter fights

[cunning basin]

I don't care for sandglass that much. Plus my crab has avoidance

[grim jay]

Because you are a subject to rng

[oak tangle]

also cause i only have a branch

[upper spear]

but u get the haste zoomies and feel good

[west cove]

I got myth crab in vault yesterday but yet to test it in anger

[cunning basin]

Meh

[grim jay]

The ones you barely feel?

[fallen knoll]

I'm using sandglass and crab lol

[cunning basin]

Crab go pinch

Clickity clack

[west cove]

do you actually have to collect these and not just sit there letting them float to you?

[grim jay]

Yes

Unless you wanna play a trinket that you might aswell replace

[oak tangle]

if you want them to float to you, use it with kb

[west cove]

I have it macrod to KB/DM and Ive not been paying attention to going to grab them, or even if others can...

[upper spear]

trying to gather branch balls during lazer phase on Mythic Nymue

https://tenor.com/view/seo-changbin-changbin-stray-kids-skz-dance-gif-16669492

[west cove]

TYVM, same for rupture then?

[oak tangle]

other's cannot, you can only get your own orbs

[hearty reef]

Now draw her getting an education

[west cove]

I literally did not know I had to run and collect them though, I though they would just float harmlessly into my lap.

[upper spear]

do you think the other spec channels look in here and think we're fucked up

[cerulean walrus]

Assassination has been Off Topic 2 for nearly a decade

[upper spear]

wat

[hearty reef]

[cerulean walrus]

[cerulean walrus]

You wouldn’t understand…. You’re new around here

[upper spear]

idk what u mean by off topic

[cerulean walrus]

[grim jay]

Dont link that

[cerulean walrus]

Absolutely true

Our safe haven

[junior aurora]

which one lol

[upper spear]

i was in here for a while in BFA, left after SL because i was malding over the spec

[cerulean walrus]

[slow wing]

How tf u cope with spitefuls this week, might aswell just remove stealth from my bars

[wind saffron]

You can go stealth before the last one spawns

[willow wren]

fok rupture infinite energy hack

[plucky canopy]

Often stealth does not matter, and if it does (some Packs iron wire silence on pull is a big thing) just communicate with your tank.
I recommend to stop using vanish for kb and using it for restealth/aoe silence in m+

Goes a long way and might aswell improve your dps with more garrote/rupture uptime

[static glacier]

Stealth only matters if you’re out of cds to fake it

[royal lantern]

the only stealth that really matters

is @earnest remnant

[keen spruce]

ye

[sage shoal]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[wet briar]

how much % does pi+aug add in st?

[hearty reef]

5

[lucid rain]

looks kinda good

[lime crypt]

is this indicator just buggy?

its fighting with stealth icon

sometimes i get stealth icon

sometimes i get master assassin

[plain onyx]

Weak aura issue i guess

[gleaming spire]

Looks like the dh in my raid with augur

[fervent fog]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[final star]

Probably have multiple spell ID's in one aura activating at diff times with poor trigger activation

[lime crypt]

its the afenar modified one

i was more or less asking if its intended

i mean i know that master executioner buff goes up whenever i stealth

[final star]

would have to check the aura myself to see why

[lime crypt]

eh

it was just a small but

i need to know something

what makes it that fan of knives sometimes awards a lot of CPs and sometimes not as much?

like sometimes i even get 1

[prime rover]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[final star]

seal fate

Fan of knives generates 1cp baseline

seal fate makes crits generate +1 CP

so 4 hits of all crits would generate 5CP

[lime crypt]

huh

so its aoe that once you use, it can crit one mob and doesnt crit second one ?

[granite tinsel]

whats the easiest m+ build and raid build for assasination?

[final star]

yes

[lime crypt]

thats weird

but okay xd

[final star]

each hit crits individually

so can have 8 targets and no crits and get 1 cp

😄

[mild summit]

Does anyone know how i can get rupture and garrote to glow during pandemic window on plater nameplates?

[lime crypt]

i mean i guess its better

would feel awful if u didnt crit 4 times in a row

4 gcds for 4 cps

[final star]

fortunately that's partly why assassination likes crit

[lofty junco]

i want mop with 300% mastery again

[fickle siren]

we let empowered garrote to fall, but we can refresh "normal" garrote in pandemic range, right?!

[west cove]

Think I am gonna try Whipyrs UI when I get home, I havent been tracking scent stacks or splatter timings, I've also been using Crimson prior to getting my scent stacks up starving myself. Think those WA's will help a lot understand whats going on.

[final star]

yes

[fickle siren]

thanks

[willow scroll]

which garrote is the empowered one?

the second one?

[fickle siren]

the one used after vanish, dance

[mild summit]

from stealth

[fickle siren]

any garrote from stealth

[willow scroll]

i usually garrote after sd/kings

is that wrong or?

the first one from stealth is still up then

[lime crypt]

whenever im applying garrotes / ruptures with carnages, is it a big problem if im applying them through the same target?

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pulsar dirge]

eh its not optimal

[lime crypt]

like im afraid that i cant squeze 9 gcds with tab targetting

[pulsar dirge]

but like losing 2-3 secs to find the target without ruputre is worse !

[lime crypt]

in carnage

ye

3 garrotes -> snd -> fok - > rupture -> fok ->rupture -> fok -> rupture

aint no way i can pull the last part with tab targetting

XD

in time, that is

[strange python]

Just develop a feel for it - and when your rupture needs refreshed, it's fok > rupture > fok > rupture > fok > rupture. Tabbing does a pretty good job for me, of selecting a new target each tab.

That's if you're in the unfortunate situation of actually having to tab ruptures around.

[lime crypt]

like what i think would happen to me is tab a target thats slightly out of melee range

and then nothing wouldve happened

[strange python]

oh yeah that does happen

[lime crypt]

like im sure its very possible with acro

but well

ANYWAYS

we really commit for the full kingsbane before crimson tempesting?

in huge pack of mobs?

[final star]

yes

it turbo fucks spatter

[glass junco]

hey, i wanted to ask, in ST, how much is the gain from chaining Envenoms, instead of sending them insta?

[strange python]

If there's a prio target yeah

[lime crypt]

can you give me example of a mob in a dungeon

that i could use it on

[final star]

the one with more health

[empty hinge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[lime crypt]

im instantly thinking of FALL at the start, but those chunky mobs teleport around

[forest notch]

Im confused how KB does AOE. I know it does as I follow guide and it does huge damage to packs

[west cove]

I’m wondering if it will be better for me to use dance to maintain ruptures/scent rather than macro it to kingsbane on longer trashpulls

[forest notch]

but not sure how

[strange python]

You'll just run out of energy if you are just sending - so a lot more downtime. It's just wasted energy.
We're not really GCD-constrained in those situations, but energy-constrained.

[final star]

caustic spatter converts 45% of single target damage into aoe

and kingsbane does a lot of damage

[glass junco]

well, single target poison dmg

[final star]

45% of that converted to aoe is a lot

[forest notch]

ohh

[strange python]

*nature damage

[forest notch]

thats why some packs dont do dmg cause I didnt apply spatter

good to know

[glass junco]

isnt nature different from poison dmg?

[strange python]

Not for rogues, no.

[glass junco]

so caustic spatter cleaves with envenom too?

[strange python]

sure does

[glass junco]

didnt know that

[lime crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[glass junco]

I thought it was just poisons

[final star]

envenom is poison damage

[stoic pond]

Could anyone explain how does pooling wa works? 😦 just can't get it

[strange python]

yeah theres' wording issues really between poison/nature in the rogue toolkit imo - and KB makes that apparent.

[strange python]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[cunning basin]

poison is the source, nature is the damage type

For rogues all nature is poison

[steel ridge]

envenom is a poison effect. its affected by mastery aswell

[lime crypt]

can someone summ it up what is being modified in the afenar's modified version?

[forest notch]

so Crimson is literally the last thing we do then

[steel ridge]

all poison is nature damage, not all nature damage is poison...

[glass junco]

again didnt know that

[cunning basin]

Smth like that

[steel ridge]

you know nothing jon snow

[glass junco]

yeah i was confused about the wording of envenom

[cunning basin]

4 set is also a poison effect and is affected by mastery/zoldyck

[glass junco]

why doesnt it just say poison

wtf

riot

[steel ridge]

newsflash, tooltips are fucked

[cunning basin]

Bc nature is the damage type

There is no poison damage type

Poison is the source, nature is the damage type

[strange python]

Could really eleviate this by KB tooltip saying poison/nature

[cunning basin]

It's one of those things where being technically correct only makes it more confusing

[glass junco]

okay then why does spatter says that 45% of POISON damage splashes?

xD

[cunning basin]

Poison is the source

Nature is the damage type

[glass junco]

i get that

but why use the source on some spells and type on others

[cunning basin]

Poisons and poison effects deal nature damage. The tooltip is accurate. It does splash all poison-based damage.

[unkempt tundra]

Hi! made a new Rouge and loving assassin so far, only problem i am having in rotation is keeping track of my envenom... Any good Weak Auras. or other addons to help track it?

[glass junco]

no, i know its accurate, im complaining about the wording

[cunning basin]

But accuracy does not mean it isn't confusing

Yeah I know

I'm just explaining

It's technically correct, but it's still stupid as fuck lmao

[strange python]

I mean fact is - no one reads spatter tooltip, then KB tooltip - and thinks it spatters.

[cunning basin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cunning basin]

Any of the group auras have an envenom tracker built in

[glass junco]

well, what usually happens is that you go in a pack in m+, u press kb and u do 1.5m dps and then realize, well, KB HAS to spatter

[cunning basin]

Tooltips accurate but unclear, blizzard in a nutshell

Tooltips written with the assumption that everyone knows the technical terms for everything in the game

[west cove]

Which of those groups is the one from Whispyrs videos tracking scent stack, splatter etc? I feel thats where I am severely non optimising

[cunning basin]

The one labeled whispyr's lol

[west cove]

Yeah the screenshot an Wago wasnt clear, I get the obviousness of the question but he couldn have been using another's WA group

[cunning basin]

Nah, that's the one he uses, he just shares it in wago bc people see his videos and ask about it, good guy whispyr sharing with the community

[dusk sun]

should crit and mastery be more or less equal or should mastery pull ahead a bit more

[cunning basin]

I heard he especially loves it when you tell him that you hate part of it and he should change it

[cunning basin]

Sim yourself 👍

Do what the robot tells you to do

[keen spruce]

it don't matter

also robot don't lie

but robot gonna tell u it don't matter

[cunning basin]

^

[west cove]

I am lookign forward to doing some testing when i get home. I think I am using tempest too soon when not maintaining scent stacks, just watched his youtube for the first time and it helped me with a lot of the nuances, this is the first time in 16 years I havent been able to instantly pick up and flex the meters with rogue spec. It could be that I am the ripe old age of 46 😛

[strange python]

Hey you don't talk about us 40-somethings like that

[cunning basin]

I've been told by others that sin is the boomer spec

(no offense intended)

[strange python]

What we lack in agility - we make up for in wisdom

[cunning basin]

Im only 27 and I'm playing the boomer spec, outlaw too much APM for these old bones

[stoic pond]

So basically it means that assa shouldn't hit buttons like crazy?)

[cunning basin]

Plus I'm bad at managing crackshot windows

[distant fox]

Well

[strange python]

in CDS (KB) you do - but other than that, no

[distant fox]

It kinda does esp in aoe

[strange python]

This is the only reason I don't play (some) outlaw.

[cunning basin]

I dabble

I like to know all three specs to keep myself flexible for raid

[strange python]

well that and i only have a 463 wep lol

[cunning basin]

But god I would need a lot of practice to play outlaw in raid lmao

[royal lantern]

weak

[strange python]

I should just run +16's til i get an outlaw wep today or something honestly.

upgrading it will be just flightstones

[west cove]

I perform better with Outlaw, feels similar to legion for me, aside from burst window and a few procs

[strange python]

yeah that crackshot window just totally f's me up

[cunning basin]

I can't be a one trick 😦 I'm too ADHD, I like playing a bunch of things

[west cove]

Dagger specs always feel more enjoyable to me though

[strange python]

I ran a few as sub - like my boss damage is INSANE. But my aoe - just isn't there. On BIG pulls, it is though.

[cunning basin]

Also I have the problem of just genuinely loving all three specs, they're all so fun ;-;

[west cove]

I cant for the life of me get to the top of the meters in my M+ group with Sin yet and its busitng my ego 😛

hopefully what I have learned from Whispyrs vids will help

[cunning basin]

You probably won't until you get into higher keys. Sin gets better the longer pulls go on

[strange python]

I've had runs where I top - and I've had runs where a DH just blows me away.

[west cove]

I liked sub last tier aside form the reliance on trinkets, the rotation felt nice once you get use to staggering dance for the tier set

[strange python]

I'm at 17's

[cunning basin]

It's actually insane because I've wanted to be a rogue main since I started playing but never could

[west cove]

I am only chilling doing some 18/19's atm so probs true

[strange python]

I started out the tier - loving dust. But the more I do play sub, the more I dislike it.

[cunning basin]

I pigeonholed myself into being token hunter for like 8 years

[west cove]

pop kingbane and the mobs gets deleted after 5 seconds.

[cunning basin]

Then played dk for nathria bc mets

Meta*

Finally got a guild who appreciates my sub-par rogue skills 😌

[west cove]

I think using dance outside of kingbane may help also with spreading bleeds for scent, improve garrote

[strange python]

I like the new sectech. Sub does seem fun - but I can't help feel like they're missing some tuning.

Maybe like some buff to black powder...where it does like MORE damage on 3 mobs, a little less on 4, a little less on 5 - and then at 6+ where it currently is.

some kinda like reverse-scaling?

[west cove]

I am lazy atm and have it macros to Kinsgbane only, which feels great on bosses but losing out on trash possibly

[west cove]

yes improve it on smaller pulsl without it being busted on uncapped

[cunning basin]

Ehhhh macroing KB to dance is like not actually a loss even in aoe

Even in aoe situations you never want them desynced

[west cove]

FoK and tab rupture is the way to go you think?

[craggy oak]

spatter is your aoe

[cunning basin]

I usually just use garrote as an aoe builder in aoe

[craggy oak]

that is from a 24 EB

[strange python]

IF it gets to that - and you need to spread, but dont have dance or vanish up - then you have no choice really. It's like a last option.

[craggy oak]

buffing kb in aoe is very nice

[west cove]

what about maintaining scent stacks

[cunning basin]

Definitely in higher keys spatter is

Lower keys spatter ain't doin much

[strange python]

That's a lot of spatter man

[craggy oak]

no lower keys sin is not thhe paly at all

[cunning basin]

Why

[craggy oak]

if you care about dmg that is, if you want to paly the spec then jsut paly the spec

[craggy oak]

cos its sucks the big buts

[minor terrace]

hey , may i ask for some tips or advice ;d , i read the wowhead guide about assa , i practiced the rotation and still i dont see any good numbers as dmg . I am 435 ilvl i know i shouldnt expect much but thats very low . And i have no idea what im doing wrong .

[west cove]

you would use dance to spread rather than hold for kingsbane as I am thinking of trying?

[cunning basin]

I mean I usually do 250 in 17s

Like is 250 overall bad for a 17?

[west cove]

this could by root problem only doing 18/19

[strange python]

yeah i mean ideally - you'd keep the two synced though - and apply KB to the prio target, and dance/spread I guess.

[cunning basin]

Saying sin is not the play for lower keys is a bit disingenuous

Cuz like, it most certainly is, and can and does do a shitload of damage

[strange python]

You know that's high. If you do a 17 - and all 3 dps are at 250k - you know you +3'd it.

[cunning basin]

My point exactly lol

[arctic socket]

Wish I could get 250k dps in a 17

[strange python]

depends on the key too

[arctic socket]

Stuff dies way way way to quickly for that

[cunning basin]

I cheese SD a lot

[strange python]

everbloom sure

[west cove]

I am floating between 170k and 230k if I have an aug at 18 and 19

so that seems high to me

[strange python]

i feel like WCM we're lower

[cunning basin]

Like the thing about lower keys is

[arctic socket]

I run with a dh and bm hunter

[cunning basin]

They're shitter keys, so the damage doesn't actually matter

[arctic socket]

Stuff isn’t living that long

[cunning basin]

If the pack dies in 5 seconds

Your damage wasn't relevant in the first place and you're gonna +3 the key

So sit back and enjoy the carry

[arctic socket]

I don’t even bother to KB anymore

[cunning basin]

Same

[arctic socket]

Unless it’s on bosses

[neat horizon]

bro i dont even bother to put bleeds anymore

[cunning basin]

Too busy sniping big SD proc's with shiv

[neat horizon]

i just go full mutilate envenom spam

[distant fox]

I run worh a vengeance and sometimes with a 3kio ret. If he doesnt nuke the kb target i also do dmg lol

[cunning basin]

I also like to snipe big SD's on bosses

[distant fox]

Ap carries hard

[cunning basin]

Shit is gas

[mint urchin]

can someone look at the logs of our guildie for me ? i noticed his kingsbane damage is very low and i cant figure out, i want to help him do better

[arctic socket]

I was thinking of trying out a poison bomb build for lower keys

[cunning basin]

Get a fresh imp garrote and ns rupture+CT out then smash deathmark and watch SD pop for 2mil

[arctic socket]

Might be fun?

[cunning basin]

That right there is peak

Eat your heart out touch of death, mine is better

[distant fox]

Low health packs are dunny. Opener, ct 40% sd damae

Cold fingers

[cunning basin]

It's hilarious getting bleeds out right before your dh pops coolies in a pull

Bc he just mauls everything and it instadies at 30%

You end up having SD as your top damage for half the pulls LMAO

[arctic socket]

You know the first pull in rise where you pull everything?

[cunning basin]

Oh yeah I usually get my tanks to pull that into boss

[arctic socket]

I can barley get off garrote / rupture before the pack dies

[cunning basin]

So I can "funnel"

[arctic socket]

Dh / bm are both peaking 800-1m dps

I’m at maybe 400-500

[cunning basin]

See the thing is

If you pull that whole room into boss

Your bm/DH will peak at 1mil

And by the end of the boss they'll be at 300k

You'll start the pull at 400, and end the boss at 500 or 600

[arctic socket]

Splatter would carry if I did that

[cunning basin]

Shit is flames

Highly recommend that pull

Very satisfying

[distant fox]

I tell my tank

[arctic socket]

I rly rly rly hate this week tho

[distant fox]

Because of slim shady

?

[arctic socket]

Yes

[distant fox]

Slap shady*

Being surrounded by them and only escape is boss. Time to death run i guess

[arctic socket]

I have thought about buying a faction change just to become a night elf to racial stealth

[distant fox]

Same but nelf look so good aswell

[mint urchin]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used with non-venthyr builds using subterfuge
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3) and it's interaction with Flagellation.
You also have to consider the additional poison application chances. Ambush is not considerably worse or better in any situation, so you aren't losing out on much if you don't use it.

[arctic socket]

I currently play orc just for the big shoulder pads

[mint urchin]

i guess thats outdated no ?

[stable atlas]

flag assa

[vapid skiff]

ye omega outdated

[stable atlas]

[vapid skiff]

thats last expansion

[mint urchin]

ye i figured

is anyone on here doing log help ?

[distant fox]

I like my belf rogue though. I love tiny girls lol (o20)

[arctic socket]

Post your log eventually someone will

Always do

[arctic socket]

[mint urchin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G14DxRm3aV6cTLyk#fight=37&type=damage-done&source=25 Guildmate of mine in volocross rekill, i only came to the conclusion that the killtime is probably really bad and noticed his kingsbane damage is really bad

any help greatly appreciated

[final trench]

Confused on the wording on Caustic spatter for aoe.

Does it duplicate anything on one target to others when only my main target has rupture?

Or

Does it only duplicate if all targets have rupture up?

[distant fox]

Havent looked but uptime while kingsbane is key as well as snapshots like ns, ma, tea

[flint tusk]

Spatter purely need rupture to trigger

[final star]

if target has deadly poison and rupture, you mutilate that target and it gives a 10s debuff

[flint tusk]

after it's on the target rupture can fall off and the damage still applies unless you want to reapply spatter

[final trench]

purely needs rupture + poison on the main target? Correct?

[distant fox]

Y

[flint tusk]

yup

[mint urchin]

Seemed fine comparing to top logs in kingsbane window

[final trench]

thanks, I think thats what ive missed when AOE'ing. I have really taken advantage of it and used Kingsbane on CD cause I was confused on the wording.

[distant fox]

Not at home so i cant take look

[final star]

Here is my breakdown over 3:57 compare to his over 3:57 seems to be missing a lot of damage on some things

does seem like he is not pressing buttons

[final trench]

@mint urchin something to consider with KB being low damage is that he should be using Shive before initial KB, then tea at 6 secs (~11% mastery buff) and then another shiv at 3 seconds. The shivs increase dmg done and also let you benefit from master assassain crit (I think thats the talent name)

[keen spruce]

opener kinda wrong. tea usage wrong, pooling seems pretty bad/non-existent. but it's hard to kinda tell

[final star]

because he has 28 more mut casts

[final trench]

this is hugely important for successful kingsbane windows.

[final star]

makes me think he's not pooling

more mut =/= good

[keen spruce]

he is shiving before kb

[peak lake]

hes using slice at 6

[final trench]

I didn't check the logs, just remember when I started those 3 buttons increased me kingsbane so much.

[keen spruce]

[final star]

He's not pooling ever

he's using tea wrong

his opener is slightly wrong but that's not that big a deal

oh and he's vulpera

[distant fox]

Train burst rota and pooling i guess. Failing the burst is a big loss

[peak lake]

bm 😮

[keen spruce]

to be fair on volcoross. you will be pretty juiced on energy for a lot of the fight

[torn dove]

[distant fox]

Double casting shiv becaude of brainlag in big burst... wanna cry every night.these nightmares

[keen spruce]

okay well he wasn't

[distant fox]

Wow wcl can track that

Fuck i need to check my logs

Need to crush the meters by at least 30% ahead

[arctic socket]

He’s vulpera? That’s like -50k dps

[final star]

This is my energy

[distant fox]

Rather be a cow rogue. Smashed your head

[keen spruce]

he also delayed his 2nd deathmark by like 10s

which cost him a cast at the end of the fight

[arctic socket]

Man asked for log Review and is getting straight flamed Lmao

[distant fox]

Arent we nice?

[arctic socket]

It is a rogue discord tbh

[final star]

only flame is vulpera because that's mental illness

the rest is constructive

[distant fox]

Backstab every intruder

[plucky pasture]

Yo rogues ❤️ I'm starting playing assa but I have some doubt: when I re-apply for example "garrote" out of stealth it mantein the crit and more damage as I used in stealth or it reapply a new one fresh without crit and extra dmg?

[arctic socket]

What about panda?

[final star]

panda is acceptable

ONLY vulpera isn't

[arctic socket]

Food buff goes has

[keen spruce]

it will replace the empowered stealth garrote

[arctic socket]

Hard

[distant fox]

Pandas burn nicely in dragonfire

[plucky pasture]

ok so is better to wait the last second right?

[keen spruce]

ye

[plucky pasture]

ty ❤️

[tawny geyser]

Does anyone have time to walk me through rotation for Single Target, I am missing something. I can live stream on Discord and maybe run a key or smt

[distant fox]

Would like to

But grandma first

[keen spruce]

The wowhead guide has everything step by step

[distant fox]

If you dont find one pm me

[hard plaza]

Do I always use witherbark with deaths mark?

[mint urchin]

thank you guys!!

[subtle tundra]

can i get the fooking dagger already

[keen spruce]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8MhLqD4Z1wK6RX9x#fight=39&type=damage-done&source=19&start=6687599&end=6948261

here is mine zoomed into the same 4:20 window

one of the biggest thing is losing about 800k damage on sanguine blades

because of no pooling

mine was like a blue parse

so it's not like perfection or anything

but it looks like their uptime was good, just bad pooling and bad tea

and lost a cast of deathmark/kb

at the very end

[subtle tundra]

by not pooling you dont only lose sanguine blades you also lose envenom chains which are 4pc procs and poison applications

[cunning pollen]

So you want to chain, then pool to chain again right?

[distant fox]

Y

[keen spruce]

how many runs?

[subtle tundra]

50 something

[cunning pollen]

How many envenoms should you +- schain then?

[subtle tundra]

around 50

[keen spruce]

i need exact number

[final star]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[keen spruce]

[arctic socket]

I’m now proudly 34 runs deep of fall without a dagger

I have seen countless double times tho

[final trench]

trying to make sure your above 50% enery for sanguine, and also maximizing those chians. That is how I understand it.

[subtle tundra]

counting makes me sad

[keen spruce]

pretty unluckers there amigo

[final trench]

same, I got a vet track the first time I ran, and like 33 later with nothing lol

[final star]

the images I showed were a 97 (scuffed kill timer though)

3:57 is not a good kill timer

[cunning basin]

Can you do that for 67 runs

Or 66 rather, 67 is where I got it

[neat plank]

in keys, do you guys prioritize applying rupture on unruptured bastards or using another envenom while having envenom buff +4p?

[subtle tundra]

i stopped getting PI'd for some reason on mythic, very cool

[keen spruce]

ooo yeah that's a big unluckers there

[arctic socket]

To get the chat even more active… How do I properly use branch?

[keen spruce]

you are almost the 1%

[limber acorn]

is there a plater setting or plater profile anyone can recommend that doesn't just flood the nameplates with irrelevant debuffs on the target so I can better track rupture and such?

[cunning basin]

Wow. So I am genuinely unlucky, sweet

[final star]

Just crit on kb and it pumps

[white temple]

Someone drew a very good paint infographic on how to

[final star]

no PI too

[arctic socket]

Oh yeah ik I wanna see jt

[keen spruce]

I mean to be fair. it was only 1/6th as likely as getting it on your first run

[cunning basin]

Same. Then we did volcaross and I still gapped both raid teams by 35k DPS :d

[white temple]

Lemme scroll up

[arctic socket]

Wait

[cunning basin]

too many numbers

[arctic socket]

How did you only cast it once

[final star]

that's one cast

[arctic socket]

That damage is double what I do on a dummy

Aug / pi / hero goes hard huh

[keen spruce]

literally every tick

crit

[cunning basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[white temple]

@arctic socket

[keen spruce]

er actually

it was 85%

on the ticks

still

v high

okay i bedge sun is almost up

[final star]

it's no PI

[arctic socket]

You’re lucky to have a Aug in your raid grp

The Aug I have in mine

[final star]

was only one

[lethal heart]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[final star]

This is my opener KB if bad crit luck

[arctic socket]

The Aug we have gray parses every single boss, like he hasn’t got above a 6

[final star]

this is with 2x aug and PI

[cunning basin]

That was no pi, no Aug, just me and the big ol target dummy volcaross

[final star]

did u get 4m DM

[cunning basin]

But hey my rl said to pi the unholy dk!!!!

Yeah our kill was like 4:25 so almost perfect kill time

[final star]

what did you do over 03:57

[arctic socket]

Imma start being grumpy in raid

If I don’t get pi

[forest notch]

what does this actually do?

like what does infused with decay mean

[neat plank]

smeared with poo

[forest notch]

lol

[arctic socket]

Makes your boots stronger

[final star]

makes ur other item that is toxified have 2x the effects

[forest notch]

LOL oh rip

so I should ahve made boots first

[final star]

yes

but

you have 2 sparks anyway

[forest notch]

All good 2 more dungeons and ill ahve them too

[final star]

so it's fine

[forest notch]

ya

[cunning basin]

I can check when I'm home, I'm on mobile right now and trying to navigate wcl on work wifi is shit

[final star]

😄

[limber acorn]

anyone know if its possible to important whispyr's plater profile but keep the appearance/style of my current plater profile? I want the pandemic tracking and hiding unimportant debuffs for visual clarity

[final star]

ya I did 228k over 03:57 cos our kill timer is demonic now we are geared out the wazoo

3M raid dps

[cunning basin]

Yeah we uh

[arctic socket]

Is that good or bad

[cunning basin]

My raid has qualities

Some good, some bad

[final star]

dps is fine, kil timer is terrible because it's right before DM

[cunning basin]

I plead the 5th

Yeah that execute deathmark right on the kill timer goes kinda dummy

[arctic socket]

Just tell your group to more dps to make your dps bigger

[final star]

almost the furthest away you can get from the last cd press

It's rank 24 for speed so it's not slow

[arctic socket]

You could always press dm first to have it

[arctic socket]

Not 99

[winter gale]

Anyone here willing to check my logs, I would like to have 2nd opinion as I feel like I am doing some stuff wrong.

[arctic socket]

Is there any raid bosses where we don’t use splatter?

[final star]

ones that have no adds

[arctic socket]

Which one is that

[final star]

volcoross, nymue, smolderon

[arctic socket]

Do we change any other talent points out?

I’m trying to maximax 😛

[winter gale]

@gaunt moat what exactly is ur envenom icon on KB aura?

How should I play around it?

[final star]

na can play IC on council if u like but other than that no

[neat plank]

dude where can I find this speed rank, I'm a speed demon!!

[hushed fern]

damn, KB is 90 sec cd now

[final star]

thanks for the info

[strange python]

hi can anyone here link me to some good rogue wa's that show caustic spatter

[arctic socket]

First raid I did look how bad I did

[arctic socket]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[peak lake]

here is it mine to exact 4:20 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xnPbrA2Q6pqay17k#fight=61&type=damage-done&source=141

The main issue as ppl said is just pooling and tea usage

he failed one gcd on both burst but that's not that much

[final star]

ya only 500k difference between me and u

[winter gale]

?

[peak lake]

ha and he don't have wf

[final star]

poor guy

[peak lake]

(i dont aswell tho)

[final star]

[peak lake]

ye

i have pi at least so can't complain

Ha another issue

he have way to much crit

6k6

[strange python]

how much crit is too much crit?

[peak lake]

when the sim say

it is

[royal lantern]

over 100% i gues

[strange python]

exactly

[steel ridge]

34%

[peak lake]

hes wasting a lot of cp aswell

pressing mut when at 4

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G14DxRm3aV6cTLyk#fight=37&type=resources&source=25&spell=104

38 cp wasted

[kind jacinth]

can someone help me out on the rogue opener ? step by step, just the opener(sorry im new)

[winter gale]

I am doing something wrong in my rotation and I cant figure out what. I was even called out by my RL (politely 😂) that I lack dmg while I should be pumping. He gave me a comparison log from some rogue too

I would like a rogue’s opinion in that comparison

[strange python]

Did the other rogue do more damage than you?

That's the end goal right?

[fallow acorn]

!opener

it's on wowhead 😛

[winter gale]

He did 24million dmg in P2 Larodar on their 6:05 min kill and I did 15million dmg in P2 on our 6:50 min 0.3% wipe. We most likely pushed BL before P2 started to phase the boss so My DM went before P2 as well. But in general he said I am lacking dmg so I would like someone to go through it, I am making some mistakes for sure.

[arctic current]

Does the vanish itself need to be at 2.9 secs or is it the first global after vanishing should land at 2.9 sec?

[lime crypt]

does BiS change based on content you do?

like raiding and m+

[strange python]

Can you link your log?

[lime crypt]

or is it the same

[slim pebble]

Some pieces yes. You wouldn’t run signet in m+

[lime crypt]

this oen doesnt run signet

[winter gale]

Summary - Larodar, Keeper of the Flame Mythic Wipe 10 (0.3% at 12:46 AM) - Report: Amirdrassil, the Dream's Hope | Warcraft Logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/37kgDrqNnv4CZzLW#fight=34

[arctic current]

Ur 2nd kingsbane looks pretty scuffed

[winter gale]

1st after opener?

[kindred flare]

Ideally at 2.9999 seconds so you can maximize damage from the last few KB ticks, but definitely make sure the buff is up when KB ticks last since it’ll be the strongest.

[winter gale]

Do I garrote after each vanish?

No matter how much is left on empovered garrote

[arctic current]

Looks like quite the delay getting ur empowered garrote on tookblike 5 secs

[strange python]

I mean everything so far looks pretty good - i dunno why your parse is low. You even got a third deathmark in 6:30 fight.

You need a pro

[steady glen]

!bis

[strange python]

I am not a pro, just a blue parse perry pill

[kind hare]

is this dagger so bad?

[dark token]

Yes

[strange python]

Did you only use potion once in the 6:30 encounter? @winter gale

[dark crag]

As assa you parse against pi and aug buffed rogues

[dark token]

My pi died on volocross

So my parse died too

[peak lake]

at the end of ur first burst

[dark token]

Love depending on externals

[subtle tundra]

your trinket usage is bad

[peak lake]

ur doing nothing after vanish

[dark crag]

It's best to abuse spatter with aug buffs and pi

For larodar you could try to overlap kb with add spawns

[peak lake]

your second kb aswell ur doing nothing after the use

its the charge i guess

[subtle tundra]

you delay 2nd kb for after charge

[strange python]

Also, did you have a food buff lol

[subtle tundra]

and then i think 4th? kb you wait a bit before using so it can splatter

[arctic current]

Sending kb and afking 5 secs makes me cringe

[knotty heron]

Anyone else using Coiled Serpent Idol from Raid? Feels like it barely procs in AoE/M+? I’m guessing dot crits don’t proc it?

[winter gale]

Yes, wrong macro, without pot so I failed there. Also, Deathmark is macroed to trinket

[winter gale]

I delay 2nd KB for until the 2nd charge of Shiv?

[subtle tundra]

huh....?

[drifting cedar]

For charge of boss

[clever imp]

larodar charge

[winter gale]

Oh

[dark crag]

You only shiv with kb

[peak lake]

on larodar you have to play with the larodar charge

u loose 3 sec of uptime each time he charge

and you dont want it to be on a burst window

[winter gale]

Wasnt it Each KB with both shivs? I do shiv -dance- kb

[subtle tundra]

yea ofc

[winter gale]

Then 2nd shiv during KB

[subtle tundra]

nobody said anything about that

[dark crag]

Each kb you use 2 shivs

[winter gale]

I assumed you were talking about 2nd charge of Shiv, my mistake.

[dark crag]

Both have 1min cd

[winter gale]

For sure I did use Kb and was f***ed up with boss charge

That is for sure significant amount of failed dmg

[peak lake]

your edoing it again at 2:13

no uptime for 2 sec after kb

[winter gale]

How can I work around this? I macroed this to Deathmark

[dark crag]

Dm is on gcd

[outer cairn]

Do DM first in macro

[subtle tundra]

you macro to kb

[dark crag]

Won't change that if you press the macro mid gcd

[subtle tundra]

that does nothing

[winter gale]

It is macroed 1st dm and then use 13

But that’s the same

[subtle tundra]

that doesnt matter

ok workaround is to macro to kb

ideally you use it 2 or 3 seconds into kb i think not sure

[rustic violet]

this is what whysper advises

[strange python]

Yeah you shouldn't macro the trinket to KB

[subtle tundra]

yea bud, there's exception

[strange python]

I dunno what he's saying

[subtle tundra]

?????????

[rustic violet]

you use witherbark with DM if you have it

[subtle tundra]

we're talking about ashes

[rustic violet]

and i said thiis

[peak lake]

also, you need some gear bro

[winter gale]

Is this what ai am doing significant loss?!

[subtle tundra]

avih just wants to oppose me

cause he mad

[peak lake]

upgrade dat weapon to 89, farm for a nick of timer 83

[strange python]

huh?

[strange python]

hey if i just accidentally invited you to a server, please ignore that

[subtle tundra]

his gear is ok

i killed this boss yesterday at 476

no pi and i did 200k

[peak lake]

I don't say hes not ok

but he dont have the most important items for an assa rogue at this moment

[drifting cedar]

Mythic?

[rustic violet]

what triinks u runniing

[peak lake]

nick + branch + brand for big fight

[subtle tundra]

yes

[peak lake]

and he dont have a 89 weap

[winter gale]

Gear is what I know that I need to upgrade/improve. I was just in urge to fix all stupid mistakes I do in my rotation

[subtle tundra]

i dont have 489 and brand

[hushed fern]

can they post balanceing already

[flint tusk]

where has this "must have bis gear or your shit" mindset come from?

[peak lake]

Actually ur doing right, u just need to care about boss uptime when u burst (so after a charge)

[subtle tundra]

i dont think he's asking about gear advice though

i'd look into his log more but im boosting

[peak lake]

if u wanna trick, do a quick opener putting burst before first envenom

[subtle tundra]

and also i aint the best player either, my 200k dps was a green log LOL

[peak lake]

this way u start doing dmg on first set of add

[dark crag]

Larodar is a add fight

Kb into adds is the parse

[strange python]

o/ Been trying Assa on M+ but pretty much started playing WoW like couple months ago and that spec is hard af... How does opener looks like? Just garrote from stealth on everyone, followed by rapture, fan of blades and then just spam envenom?

[subtle tundra]

oh yea, quick opener is big
pretty sure whispyr said first thing to give up is rupture

[hushed fern]

yeah whats up with that anyways? im topping meters in our mythic raid and still end up with green logs while some other under me have purpole logs

[winter gale]

I do garr ambush rupture

Muti SnD