assassination

[cunning basin]

Envenom at 4 then use ambush proc

[sweet dawn]

You can practise it without tier but you don't get the extra damage from chaining envenoms

[slim hamlet]

envenom is part of your burst

[cunning basin]

^

[orchid hollow]

hmmm... im fucking up then

[earnest remnant]

PARRY THIS

[limber flame]

Hey sorry if bad place to ask or dumb question. Is assasination competitive with outlaw in m+ this patch. I don't want to feel like I have to play one spec is all

[gaunt moat]

If you remember how my WA does it
I add a border glow around the envenom icon when it's a few seconds before envenom expires, telling you it's time to refresh

[slim hamlet]

yer

[cunning needle]

you can play all specs and have similar levels of success

[cunning basin]

Yup

[cunning needle]

subs just a bit harder

but dont let subcreation fool you

[limber flame]

Love to hear this, thanks guys

[cunning basin]

I miss seal fate on sub 😔

[cunning needle]

samesies

[limber flame]

Yeah subcreation makes it kinda seem like only outlaw really timing keys

[slim hamlet]

yea they REALLY need cp gen right now

[tacit charm]

lmao

[slim hamlet]

@mods any banners?

[slate crown]

[cunning basin]

Ban that guy

Get him out

[drifting lance]

[slate crown]

LMAO

[robust scaffold]

LMFAO

[slim hamlet]

[robust scaffold]

HE DELETED IT

[slim hamlet]

actually deleted

bozo

[cunning needle]

wtf i look away for 10 seconds

[tacit charm]

LOL

[olive lagoon]

WTF

[cunning needle]

what did i miss

[cunning basin]

LMAO

[nova kelp]

Lol you don't aren't rocking dual nicks yet?

[robust scaffold]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[slim hamlet]

Is he still here or was it just a message delete

[tacit charm]

bro posted double 489 nicks

[slim hamlet]

[cunning needle]

LOL

ye ban him

must be hackerman

[junior aurora]

oh i thought he said something racist lmao

[slim hamlet]

@drifting lance u alive?

[gaunt moat]

@slate crown But like, does the timeline even needs to have envenom reminder?
because you will need to know when to refresh envenom when you're outside of kingsbane. so you're always gonna need another envenom uptime tracker.

[junior aurora]

also dual 489 nicks doesn't mean anything, one 489 nick is more than enough

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-salute-gif-24255323

[cunning basin]

I bet he got orbital striked outta here

[robust scaffold]

bro he literally joined the discord today, probably right now, just to flex his daggers 💀

[junior aurora]

offhand is kinda garbage slot

[cunning needle]

its garbage slot so you need 2 though

[wind saffron]

what is a good build for low keys? 17ish

[slim hamlet]

offhand dn is kinda op tho

[cunning basin]

Joined and yeeted just like that

[slate crown]

Oh it's not to serve as an overall tracker, it's just in the context of kingsbane, if your eyeballs are on your kingsbane tracker, and your kingsbane tracker is not directly next to your envenom tracker, it's to save you the eye movement to all your other auras during the most important DPS moment

[cunning needle]

since the timestrike is just flat1% more dam

[slim hamlet]

arterial

[drifting lance]

Yeah it was a second nick or the fyrakk trinket

[slim hamlet]

He alive

[drifting lance]

so just got it

[slim hamlet]

[junior aurora]

yeah you need two

[robust scaffold]

imagine being that blessed

[junior aurora]

but the second one being 489 is just whatever

[cunning basin]

HES NOT A PILE OF ASH

YUGE

[slim hamlet]

who are you?

[junior aurora]

it is funny to post though and make people rage

[slim hamlet]

Thebausffs?

[cunning needle]

meanwhile im contemplating tokens week 3

[slate crown]

Like, Does the timeline need any ticks? No actually not necessarily, every tick on there could just be you looking at other weakauras, the purpose of putting things together is to reduce that load of looking back and forth.

[cunning needle]

or 2 whatever week we're on

[junior aurora]

next week could very well be a socket week fo rme

[velvet marten]

im confsued on: you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic what is pandemic iv attempted to look it up and did not find it on my tree.
is this a term?

[cunning basin]

My vaults have been turbo mid. Not like token grabbing unplayable but just really not great

[slim hamlet]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[slate crown]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[gaunt moat]

I understand that. but you know, i would argue that when you're inside KB, keeping track of envenom uptime is the least important.
since you're not pooling at that period and you're not timing your envenoms. you're just sending whatever you can.

[cunning needle]

ye i get that. can't remember the last time i was excited for a vault

[cunning basin]

Myth track half decent belt week 1, myth track helm week 2 for catalyst

[drifting lance]

ok but I do have a question, on aoe do you just do envenom whenever you can for 4pc or do you still want to do it at max combo points

[slate crown]

That's fair

[cunning basin]

My last good vault was sark cloak

[gaunt moat]

the only thing that you do want to make sure, is that you have envenom in the first place

[slate crown]

Right, and that doesn't need to be on the timer at all.

[prisma cypress]

anyone have any hot tips for heroic fyrakk? cooldown timings, defensive usage etc

[velvet marten]

ok so how does one know it's pandemic has kicked in or not. or is is granted every time on selective skills.

[slim hamlet]

So how many is gonna be tanking as rogue tomorrow on SoD?

[cyan dew]

caustica spatter do more damage as my uptime of envenom grows?

[slate crown]

Pandemic just means "The aura has a certain duration remaining".

[cunning basin]

Watch timers and don't send DM 10 seconds before he jumps in the air, a mistake I have definitely 100% never in my life made a single time

[slate crown]

Or rather, "being in pandemic range" means "the aura has a certain duration remaining"

it's different for every aura that does it, there isn't a way to see if you are in pandemic in the base UI or game APIs, it's just a duration threshold for every buff of 30% of the new application's duration

[gaunt moat]

Well, you could so something like change the bar color from blue to red or something as an "alarm! no envenom!"

[prisma cypress]

any thoughts on where to use cloak of shadows?

[junior aurora]

rogue tanking at level 25 seems sus as hell

you dont get blade flurry until level 30 so literally 0 aoe threat

[cunning basin]

Honestly I usually use it to dispel myself

[junior aurora]

bc combo points are still tied to targets in classic

[cunning basin]

Can also hold at the end to clutch out in case of a seed drop

[slate crown]

A pretty simple thing, yeah could do.

[velvet marten]

😵‍💫 ok lol. ty

[strange python]

I wait til I have the Cheat Death debuff, then I start cloaking things that could kill me.

[slate crown]

Most weakauras make some attempt to show if a buff is in pandemic, usually with a Glow effect

[cunning basin]

Fast and loose till cheat pops, then it's all hyper defensive from there baby

[slim hamlet]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=104994/blade-dance

trust

[junior aurora]

if you think thats gonna hold threat against a hunter pressing multishot with +30% damage and crit chance

be my guest lmao

[velvet marten]

hmm iv never seen env have one up there iv seen splatter sure and like my dot's but never env.

[eternal heath]

Thanks! Just finished EB as well

[cunning basin]

Theres a bunch of tank focused engravings to up threat gen

For all the tank specs

[eternal heath]

just blasting

[slate crown]

My envenom bar has a tick marker for the range. I don't know about other envenom icons from people. That said, for envenom generally you can assume it is 1 second remaining on envenom. Because envenom is such a short duration, its pandemic range is also short, so just assuming 1s is usually safe

[cunning basin]

I like your aug's name

10/10

[slim hamlet]

I like you

[strange python]

dang someone got the ole kickaroo

[robust scaffold]

that was me

wtf

why did he kick me

fuck his friend

[strange python]

i guess his friend was joining

[prisma cypress]

anti-azralon bias

[orchid wind]

!dslice

!sim

[strange python]

try ! help maybe

[polar sparrow]

ashes on blood shows 2nd on bloodmallet but my sims show a 3k loss...wtf?

[cunning basin]

[velvet marten]

what do you think of this?

https://wago.io/t-Ebe62VL

[orchid wind]

ty

!cap

[strange python]

you're welcome buddy

dont say i never did nothin for ya

[orchid wind]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[orchid wind]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[winter gale]

Guys’, is there still a channel where I could post my logs for some knowledgeable guy to look into them?

[strange python]

it's here

they can thread it

but i dunno who's around

[winter gale]

I am doing something wrong heavily and it’s killing me

[strange python]

have you tried not doing that thing that's wrong?

[winter gale]

I dont know what

[strange python]

ohhhhhh

[winter gale]

I need them to find 😂

[strange python]

yeah maybe post it i dunno

[slate crown]

I think you'll find a connection between the profile picture in that weakaura and my avi profile picture in discord 🙂

[spice spire]

[velvet marten]

oh wtfg

[strange python]

[velvet marten]

LMFAO

[slate crown]

As for what I think of it, it has some older concepts I don't use much anymore, I still basically use it in my pack to track KB's Cd but I don't typically use it for looking at KB info, it was made well before the timeline

[winter gale]

I have like 477 equipped, not bis gear at all but still, I am doing 10 mill less than other assassins on Larodar Mythic

[velvet marten]

ah fair.

[loud dome]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fervent jasper]

OMG OMG OMG

[slate crown]

Grats!

[keen spruce]

[winter gale]

Report: Amirdrassil, the Dream's Hope | Warcraft Logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/37kgDrqNnv4CZzLW

[slim hamlet]

Deathmark and Kingsbane

[spice spire]

What the one trick said

[cinder geode]

do you guys think sin is likely to get nerfed or is sub and outlaw likely to get buffed

[slim hamlet]

why the fuck would u need to buff any rogue spec

[spice spire]

Neither. Without externals all rogue specs are much closer

[slim hamlet]

I think we all get nerfed a tiny bit

[spice spire]

The fact that sin goes brazy with PI is a heavy gain

[slim hamlet]

But nothing major

[spice spire]

If anything yeah we all get nerfed

[cinder geode]

thats fair

[slim hamlet]

Depends on how they value externals

[cinder geode]

tbh im of the opinion that a class with only damage specs should always be near the top for damage

[slim hamlet]

They say they don't balance around externals

[cinder geode]

if that were true they wouldve made shadow priest better xd

shadow priest suffering for PIs sins

[slim hamlet]

Yes that is what I mean

[spice spire]

Nah they need rework #20

[slim hamlet]

They balance as if the external is a part of the spec it comes from

so they dont nerf what is op because of an external

or well thats what they said we'll see, sin is rly strong with all this external shit

[heady moss]

if rupture falls off during KB window, are we better off applying a new rupture or just keep spamming envenoms? im guessing spam envenom?

[patent gust]

What's the optimal time left to reapply rupture and garrote (excluding during Nightstalker)

[slate crown]

Reapply rupture

[uncut nexus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[heady moss]

but is rupture buffing KB? or just want it for the dmg/energy regen?

[slim hamlet]

when in pandemic

[slate crown]

Rupture is buffing KB through Lethal Dose

[heady moss]

ah okay got it ty

[slim hamlet]

running out of energy also is not a good KB dmg gain

[slate crown]

And the energy you get from rupture feeds into KB too so you can keep casting.

yeah that

[torn atlas]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[heady moss]

gotcha

thanks 🙂

[viral ruin]

So with assa being really high this season, this isn't some uldir sub thing where they're pumping because of their niche is it?

Or are they just tuned really really high?

[patent gust]

Cool thanks

[buoyant herald]

Both

[viral ruin]

Is it mainly from the tier set?

[timid talon]

no need to beat around the bush, sin is OP right now

[solid mica]

is bonespike on council the sauce?

[buoyant herald]

Not any more than anything else. Tier set is strong

[viral ruin]

So there's still hope they turn it into a talent!!!!

[buoyant herald]

Lots of the encounters suit the damage profile, a number with great ad spawn timings for spatter to go crazy

It’s a good PI and Aug target

Lots of things combining but still very strong without any of that external stuff

[viral ruin]

Fair

I just really really hope they replace poison bomb with this tier bonus

[buoyant herald]

It is a fun little mini game

[viral ruin]

Idk if I would guaranteed play assa full time if they made it a talent but I would defo consider it if they change my main class

[frigid maple]

So should i use PI sims if I am getting PI in raid ? or still just use top gear recommended without the PI

[strange python]

you mean our 4p getting turned into a talent?

We alrady got so much in the aoe department.

I mean I wouldn't complain hah

[slate crown]

Honestly

I don't view the 4p as a minigame itself because, well, it kind of already is a "minigame"

[strange python]

yeah i mean i've generally always played like that

cause it's fun

[slate crown]

without 4p. the 4p just incentivizes you to play envenom "correctly" and I quite like that

[slim hamlet]

so u have just been sitting on max energy for no reason?

[slate crown]

Well

[strange python]

who sits on max energy?

[slate crown]

10.1 notwithstanding lol

[slim hamlet]

U just said u did

[slate crown]

in 10.1 yeah you couldn't play it like htat

[slim hamlet]

If you play like this pre 10.2 u are sitting on max energy

[strange python]

You don't sit on max energy WITH 4p now so

[slate crown]

you'd be capped off 100% of the time

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[strange python]

My /wa for envenom has always changed to green when I should hit it.

[slate crown]

I'm just saying it's kind of conceptually how envenom screams that it should be played, idn

[strange python]

I try to maintain uptime

[slim hamlet]

but

before 10.2 u just spammed forever

[slate crown]

And it was always weird how it didn't matter at all to me

[slim hamlet]

100% envenom uptime

[strange python]

I didn't play 10.1

[slim hamlet]

full spam

[slate crown]

yeah I didn't like that

[slim hamlet]

well

[strange python]

I played 9.x

and prior

[slim hamlet]

Why did u say u always played like that then

[strange python]

lol cause i always have

[slate crown]

I think it would be neat if we retained the 4pc, but honestly the goal of making it the "minigame" that I like was already acheived by the rework. Give us less regen and slow us down. That was enough to make it work

To me, at least

[strange python]

I instead took a break from wow...and bought a ps5, and bought destiny 2 and all its expansions, and COD, and BF2042, and diablo IV ... basically spent a thousand dollars on stuff and i shoulda just kept playing wow.

cause here i am

still playing wow but a thousand dollars more broke

[slim hamlet]

who goes from PC to console

[strange python]

people with wrist problems

[slim hamlet]

makes sense

[strange python]

i'm old man

[slim hamlet]

wow console soon tho

[strange python]

lol

i mean i dunno if i could relearn it all on a controller

[slate crown]

play like that mage guy

[slim hamlet]

it would have to be dumbed down af

like league of legends mobile game

[strange python]

like if i ever go full on carpal tunnel, i'm just gonna play destro i guess

[slim hamlet]

or dev evoker

30 apm

xdd

[strange python]

now we're talking

[fast phoenix]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gaunt sigil]

random question

Does Night Elf shadowmeld Proc Subterfuge

[spice surge]

No

[gaunt sigil]

[spice surge]

On non-bosses you can decently often go meld > stealth, but on bosses all meld does it allow you to ambush instead of mutilate

[lyric cipher]

You can meld into stealth tho

Since it drops combat

[gaunt sigil]

I wanted to race change to nelf cause they are sexy

[spice surge]

Yes, but sometimes it takes a global or so to drop the combat, and sometimes it doesnt even drop at all

[lyric cipher]

Yeah it doesnt always work but its still cool

[strange python]

That's like my garbage disposal

[gaunt sigil]

So technically in long pulls I can use it to re spread Gar and Rupt with IC

[lyric cipher]

Yea

[strange python]

Or you could just look awesome

[oak tangle]

🤮

[gaunt sigil]

Looks like a fucking biker or something

[drifting cosmos]

Yea nelf looks is 5% dps

You do it for the looks

[gaunt sigil]

Looks like my Krieg from BL2

Well RN I am Belf, but I hate how little customization Belf has, but Arcane torrent is really good

I am conflicted

[oak tangle]

Why arcane torrent when you have the same effect on a 30s cd

And it does all at once not just 1

[lyric cipher]

I like nelf, esp since i also play outlaw sometimes and i get the melds to work more consistently

[strange python]

With my 27% leech...and my undead racial that heals me....i feel pretty tanky

[gaunt sigil]

Just the AOE dispell feels really strong

Its relatively Niche though

[oak tangle]

Yeah but I’m saying Arterial does that too

[strange python]

yeah like that one boss (before the boss) in plaguefall

BE was clutch there

[gaunt sigil]

I dont use arterial

[oak tangle]

🤮

[gaunt sigil]

I use hybrid

Arterial is gross to me

I play assa for Turbo KB

[slim hamlet]

there is literally no difference

[balmy condor]

I mean there is if they play for the turbo kb

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-radar-nerd-radar-nerd-emoji-goofy-gif-15206659345311799377

[balmy condor]

If you want the turbo kb you definitely dont play arterial

So

Sounds like there’s doing exactly what they want to do

[strange python]

where tf is everyone

[balmy condor]

EU is bedge, NA is dinner/raid

[fallow acorn]

KEYS

first pull in DHT up to bear, we lust, ramp is up, Caustic is just BLASTIN'

tank dies

leaves

[strange python]

lol

[slim hamlet]

classic

[strange python]

we just had a pretty shitty time in WCM

wait

[fallow acorn]

sad

[gentle rover]

Peeps rolling caustic for fryakk or no?

[strange python]

what is the one with the gauntlet up the stairs?

[fallow acorn]

BRH

[strange python]

that one

[balmy condor]

Yeah

If you can group adds in p2

Otherwise kinda scuffed

[strange python]

tank tried to like pull some stunt on the gauntlet - ended up bugging the things - so they kept spawning on us up in the boss room

then after that boss into the next two packs...it was fun

we timed still

[fallow acorn]

so like constant full combo points?

[strange python]

just 3 at a time

just enough to f the healer

their nameplates would come up from below too

[fallow acorn]

WM is buggy, too

[eternal turtle]

Does everyone macro ambush into mutilate? The stance bar lag feels so scuffed at the end of dance/vanish

[strange python]

I have ambush on my stealth bar, and mutilate on my regular bar (same place)

I just deal with what you're saying

You'd hae the same problem with a macro, methinks

[eternal turtle]

Its super clunky

[strange python]

cause it sends the ambush command from your client - whiel you are "still in stealth" - and by the time it hits the server, you are no longer in stealth, so it doesn't work...but the animation happens.

[eternal heath]

Well tonight ended up quite productive

[turbid scaffold]

anyone having issue stealth breaking in M+?

[solid mica]

you think sbs on council is good?

[amber palm]

ok, I finally got the hang of 'sin for raid

I'm going to be so sad when we get nerfed

[gusty mirage]

do you have the sarkareth cloak

[oak tangle]

And this OCE is just getting out of bed

[gentle rover]

Wow is this the reason? cant wait to lose it

[balmy condor]

I think everything sucks on council

[solid mica]

true, including me

im trying it but idk how much to set up before bosses jump feels like too much shit

[gusty mirage]

everytime someone comes into range of the cloak

you just get knocked out of stealth

[fervent jasper]

While caustic spatter is up do we still FoK in AoE or do we mut?

[oak tangle]

Spin to win, till you die, or till the caustic buff expiressss

[strange python]

you mut to keep the debuff up

other than that you'd probably FOK

[fervent jasper]

Ok so you still FoK as your builder even though spatter makes mut aoe?

[strange python]

it doesn't though

unless you have that one talent

that makes 70% do nature dmg?

[oak tangle]

Mut once erry 10 secs

[strange python]

and dang @oak tangle you just getting up, i'm just about to go to bed

[fervent jasper]

The way this reads it should cause mut to AoE

[oak tangle]

Mutilate maketh the spatter, spatter does not maketh the mutilate

[strange python]

jesus where is that tooltip from - the actual game?

[slim hamlet]

That is wrong tooltil

[oak tangle]

That tooltip ain’t it

[slim hamlet]

From detaild

That is blade flurry

[gentle rover]

this was driving me nuts, so happy to know wtf was going on

[fervent jasper]

wtf

so do we care about having KB or DM on the spatter target?

[strange python]

yeah KB spatters

[slim hamlet]

Read the actual talent

[oak tangle]

We being trolled by details outlaw plants

[slim hamlet]

Not details

[spice spire]

[slow chasm]

How to do more dmg???

[gusty mirage]

get more gear

[slow chasm]

help

[strange python]

press buttons faster

[oak tangle]

Crit every spell

[strange python]

reroll dh

[slow chasm]

I have gear, I press buttons fast and hard

how mor dmg

[echo jay]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[strange python]

i didn't say harder - they're binary - they either are pressed or not pressed. The hardness has nothing to do with it.

[slow chasm]

Wrong

[strange python]

And just remember, finish at 4+ cp...because it's not the size of the envenom, but how you use it.

[slow chasm]

I have analog keyboard

[oak tangle]

Unironically press buttons slower

[strange python]

you bring up a good point

sometimes pressing faster will increase dps.

[slow chasm]

I pool outside of burst

[strange python]

sometimes pressing slower will increase dps.

we dont know the starting point

[echo jay]

what are people usually taking dagger wise?

[slow chasm]

NIck of time

[strange python]

double NICK OF TIMES

[slow chasm]

Nick of time

[strange python]

or a dreamcarver

[oak tangle]

There is like 4 daggers in this patch

[slow chasm]

NICKOLODEON

[oak tangle]

2 of which are from raid

[runic hinge]

Nichole fulltime

[strange python]

lol no one said anything about NICK OF TIMES

[echo jay]

crap, worded that wrong. yeah, nick of time. but if you have dreamcarver, what do most people take for the "buff"

[strange python]

oh i take the leech

[oak tangle]

Doesn’t matter

[strange python]

mv speed is also popular

[oak tangle]

But beastlife

[slow chasm]

the critter one

[oak tangle]

Ok I take it back, it does matter

NOT critter one

[slow chasm]

what should I be looking at in logs???

[oak tangle]

Depends what you want to find

[slow chasm]

IDK what to look for

[willow vine]

Do the two bears before first boss DHT have truesight?

[slow chasm]

no

[turbid scaffold]

Ahh no wonder....

[strange python]

memz is well-rested so if you post them he will go through them for you and help you

[willow vine]

TY

[slow chasm]

u just ran too close to them and they see u

[oak tangle]

Ha well rested, I’m on about 5 hrs atm

And by how my words are correctly spelt and capitalised, I am on my phone

[indigo cradle]

whats the best crafted pieces to make?

[strange python]

toxic thorn boots

[slow chasm]

Shoes

cobble them

[indigo cradle]

kk ty

[strange python]

and wrist with the patch

[slow chasm]

^^^

I just did 220k on Mythic Gnarlroot and its a 22 parce?

[strange python]

[oak tangle]

If you’re a big m+er you could make an argument for the belt craft

[strange python]

now anyone that visits your wcl and is on "highest" sees your grey parse

no matter how many 95's and 99's you have on heroic, you'll never fix that first impression

[oak tangle]

250k on H is only high 80’s

[strange python]

I did 259 and that was an 88

I'm 476 now

[slow chasm]

I'm 475

how do dmg?

[spice spire]

Press button good

[strange python]

I hit my buttons in a calculated fashion, maintaining the knowledge that I have set my spellqueuewindow to 400ms

[gusty mirage]

for gnarlroot you get PI, you get augvoker buffs, and you play spatter

[strange python]

It's actually quite complicated - my methodology

you'd be better off developing your own

[gusty mirage]

if you're not playing spatter, you're not going to parse

[slow chasm]

I don't get buffs

[urban minnow]

I read the pin but I’m honestly terrified about getting nerfed. Not that the class will now be bad but community opinion will make shit a pain.

[gusty mirage]

then find buffs

[slow chasm]

I play spatter

[balmy dome]

If I'm not getting PI on Sin for M Council and my OL set is as good as my sin set, should I go OL?

[gusty mirage]

otherwise you won't ever "do dmg"

[strange python]

I wonder what my 88 coulda been with pi

maybe like 10% higher

[gusty mirage]

if you're not playing with optimal raid buffs you're losing a lot of damage and in mythic you're competing with people who have optimal raid comps

[oak tangle]

I hate oranges cause they make you feel bad about purples

[strange python]

that normie or h?

[balmy condor]

What diffy is that

[oak tangle]

N

[strange python]

i'm gonna blast normal friday

[oak tangle]

I am not aotc yet

[gusty mirage]

you're already aotc in my heart

dw

[oak tangle]

That’s my H

[strange python]

not bad

[slow chasm]

My hero

[runic hinge]

Do I play spatter on H ingira or nah

[slow chasm]

don't mind smolder and fyrakk

[crude pasture]

yes

[slow chasm]

heals couldn't keep most the group up

[strange python]

Here's my H

[oak tangle]

i had to super soaker on larodar, cause getting the kill mo import

[strange python]

I died on council and Larodar.

I suck on nym

[willow vine]

I see u got trolled by Pip

[strange python]

I dunno what happens on tswift

[slow chasm]

pip trolls all

[strange python]

but i obviously suck on her too

[slow chasm]

my 220k on tswift felt good

[strange python]

oh i also run TTK and acro so that doesn't help

[slow chasm]

but DH

[oak tangle]

i gapped my team on Nymue

[slow chasm]

all I have to say

[strange python]

oh and half the time i can't be arsed to turn spatter into IB cause i'm lazy

[oak tangle]

did you want peeps to look at logs?

[slow chasm]

yeah

I'm looking at my Myth GR and I fucked my opener up

[balmy dome]

If I'm not getting PI on Sin for M Council and my OL set is as good as my sin set, should I go OL?

[strange python]

If all you care about is a parse %

[violet hollow]

are we doing hc logs comparisons? 😄

[slow chasm]

even tho I always hit gar 1st it always shows ambush as my 1st hit

[strange python]

yeah post yours

[gusty mirage]

ngl fight sucks for all 3 specs (moreso for sub), so ye if you aint getting PI just play outlaw

[south wing]

straight gaping

[strange python]

cause you weren't in combat when you hit garrote i bet

[slow chasm]

makes sense

[slow chasm]

we do open in stealth

[strange python]

name fits

[oak tangle]

what ilvl are you?

[spice spire]

Only a 95 on fyrakk

[violet hollow]

thos elogs are with 476, before reclear today

[strange python]

i dunno how people can parse so high so consistently

[gusty mirage]

gear + fast kill times + optimal raid buffs

[oak tangle]

alot of it is ilvl, wanna see my week one logs?

[runic hinge]

Be ahead on gear

[strange python]

liek dont you ever just have a fight either you suck on, or your tank's movemnt screws you?

[smoky leaf]

!fuu

[spice spire]

Press buttons raid buffs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

lol sure

[outer cairn]

oh its spiteful. looks like i'm not getting into keys this week

[oak tangle]

i got gapped

[restive falcon]

you adjust to it

[strange python]

I joined an H Fryakk pug earlier. We all sat there for like 15 mins while the dude was filling. Come to find out he meant to list it as normal.

lol yeah i started this tier at 437

and i put in work to hit that lol

[white spire]

whats best talent build for when you have 4 set assassin in M+ ? trying to push 15+

[oak tangle]

Normal gnarlroot week 1

[strange python]

!guide probably arterial shock build from the wowhead guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slow chasm]

I'm coming from playing mage the past 10 years

so rogue has been fun so far

[strange python]

yeah it's a different world huh

being in melee

[white spire]

oh okay I use that now. idk why my sudden demise does not do much dmg. i was in group with another rogue and his was going crazy

[slow chasm]

being out of range is wierd

[strange python]

that coulda been why - i feel like only ONE of you are gonna get it to go off

[gusty mirage]

cause his demise was probably going off before yours

[white spire]

ohhhh lmao makes sense xD

i just realize this lmao

[strange python]

he hits that threshold before you (even if he's like 2 ilvls higher) etc

[oak tangle]

one week of gear later, N Gnarl again

[strange python]

yeah i went from bottom to top pretty quick too hah

[white spire]

so like is 4 set even beneficial with mobs in M+ without going caustic splatter?

[strange python]

yeah it's beneficial - but you do spec caustic spatter

[oak tangle]

i think it's like 8% by itself

[strange python]

yeah it wasn't as high as i thought it'd be .... but just knowing it's working makes it fun or something

[white spire]

wait im looking at wrong build . i meant no poison bomb

[strange python]

oh yeah you forgoe poison bomb in that build

you dont really notice it

[slate crown]

PB and the 4pc don't interacttho

they're just both explosions from envenom

And for sure, the 4pc is helpful in M+

[white spire]

oh really? got it. are you blading or envenoming in groups tho?

tempest*

[heady drum]

anyone capable of reviewing some of my logs from my hc run today? i feel like imdoing shit dps for my ilvl

[slate crown]

You do both

Tempest is a dot, it isn't a damage hit

so you maintain tempest as a dot, then use envenom when tempest is already up

Or you may envenom first for the poison buff, I don't remember

But either way, both are used

[white spire]

got you.. i been trying to find the median of it. i guess without the 4 set spamming tempest was doing a lot of dmg

[outer cairn]

man getting declined left and right. this is horrid

[slate crown]

If you were spamming tempest you were wasting a lot of damage

[oak tangle]

my sweet summer child

[strange python]

Yeah tempest doesn't do any damage on hit now - it's just a dot

this changed in 10.2

[ripe bone]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[earnest remnant]

you forgot, "being as good as you"

[gusty mirage]

I'm not good though

remember

I got made fun of because I pointed out that not snapshotting KB is wrong

[earnest remnant]

you are getting loot starved and still schoolin people

id say thats pretty good

[gusty mirage]

I can't wait to wipe on tindral 700 times

it's gonna be so lit

[drifting light]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[earnest remnant]

yeah dude its fun af

[timber meadow]

wow spiteful really isn't that bad... was just a random pug with random pulls and still did around 275 in brh with 14% garrote dmg (usually its at most like 3-4% higher)

[earnest remnant]

we have a guild taylor swift playlist ready

[timber meadow]

vanish is just like always up it feels like

[earnest remnant]

for when we get there again

[gusty mirage]

I can't ruin payphone as my #1 song

maroon 5 made it into my top 5 artists just because of payphone during prog

@earnest remnant the best part, is when you kill tindral, fyrakk looks absolutely miserable as well

[balmy condor]

I love you

[tall atlas]

Dis mine

[white spire]

i got you. let me try better rotation 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I miss when you used to talk to me like this

[slate crown]

[tall atlas]

Me too

[earnest remnant]

i still remember back in SL when a guy had a question about "why this person was running deathly shadows in this rank 1 log" and i told the guy, he fucked up his gear swap, and he didn't believe me until i asked him to check the name of the rogue in the log and then my name on discord xD

[white spire]

good thing about my tier rn is 3/4 of them are PVP xD

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[drifting cloud]

cant believe youd copy the name of that r1 rogue guy

[gusty mirage]

I remember that swap fucked up for zephyr too

tragic

[violet sonnet]

nice earthgang

[slow chasm]

Denzel would be on there

[violet sonnet]

i got my fuckin bark

this stupid branch

[timber meadow]

yeah its not bad at all and in that dungeon ct does some chunkin

[oak tangle]

is anyone fancy with WCL queries, and can tell me a better way to look at buff windows than the pin i have here?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JMGpqYN2xRrTh6j8#fight=9&type=casts&pins=0%24Main%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%24-1%240.0.0.Any%24200468231.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24429262|32645|385627|256735|381623|185422|360194|319504|385627|360194&view=events&source=3

[gusty mirage]

people will still tell you that assassination is UNPLAYABLE on spiteful weeks tho

[timber meadow]

yeah that's chill, i get why - it kinda seems like it would be... but then you just think of dance and vanish as tools rather than "i gotta use em for x/y/z and only x/y/z" and you're chiln

[oak tangle]

it's just more targets to dot

should be damage +

[fast phoenix]

question: should i be pooling my energy to keep it above 50% for sanguine?

[timber meadow]

i tend to minipool between envenoms rather than focus on sanguine

[slow chasm]

so, if I have 4cp and a free ambush, would I use the ambush and get to 6cp or would I save the ambush for the next env?

cuz I'm using the proc at 4cp

[slate crown]

!pooling only if you don't have 4pc. I never did that when I didn't ahve 4pc because I knew I would unlearn it anyways once getting 4pc

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[slate crown]

I mean, you can go either way. The general rule is finish on 4+cp

Ambush proc at 4cp with imp ambush wastes a cp every time

[willow vine]

yikes just dropped a hero path bloom while having a champion version

BM hunter rage whispering me cus I have one

witherbarks* not bloom

[lucid rain]

should've asked him if he's sure he could handle the complexity of adding a third button to his rotation

[slow chasm]

^^^

[gusty mirage]

actual kindergarten spec

[torn atlas]

Melee is unplayable on spicy weeks tbh (it's a me problem I know)

[gusty mirage]

it's a fantastic dungeon pool for spiteful

with all that room we have

[slow chasm]

I can't do keys this season

too claustrophobic for this shit

legit have to play in 1st person

[warped hatch]

anyone have the ambush/mutilate macro handy

[spice spire]

You get used to it

[spice spire]

You don’t need it

[slow chasm]

its built in now

[spice spire]

Ambush will be used when you try to mutilate during bs

[warped hatch]

no wonder i kept seeing my BS procs disappear 😄

even if you mutilate from stealth?

or will it only do it if you have BS procs

[lucid rain]

crippling poison carries spiteful weeks

unfortunately you have to sometimes hot-swap from numbing to crippling sometimes so the tank can easily group stuff

and then you slow the ghosts after things are dead

but eh

[oak tangle]

i just run away

[torn atlas]

Yeah not sure I'm down for poisons swaps haha

[lucid rain]

it pains me to see ghosts punch people because they're not slowed

oh trust me I hate it

but if it's between that and people dying stupidly I'll just swap

idk why poisons even have a cast time

I had very clean spiteful runs in s2 because I ran crippling poison

[woven frost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[south wing]

bro I FEEL YOU

fuck waycrest manor camera collision

[torn atlas]

Weren't we running DTB as standard build in S2? I've already forgotten what the default build was but pretty sure I usually ran both

[south wing]

what is bs? I could use that abbreviation guide right about now

[slate crown]

Blindside

[south wing]

ah

[outer cairn]

man i can just not play flying daggers and ttb in m+

[runic hinge]

dtb and IC as capstones

[fluid glade]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[urban rampart]

Any timewalking trinkets worth it?

[fast phoenix]

Thank you!

[tawdry flare]

I legit am struggling with energy in 18+s

[white spire]

oh this is not concept i am aware of. i be spamming it all. O.o

[tawdry flare]

Yeah - Pooling make my brain melt for some reason

[white spire]

so i just wait to envenom?

do i spam fan of knives tho?

[real stirrup]

With the chaining envenoms with 4pc: so if it's in pandemic 1 second, that's when you put up another envenom? so you wouldn't just spam FoK + envenom every second?

[slate crown]

If you're talking about aoe with fan

you don't really need to pool, your goal is to spread bleeds so you are saturated on energy and there's no point to pooling

you just mash envenom

[sullen mural]

Yeah in aoe you dont pull you fok envenom spam

[slate crown]

(And bleeds and such)

[sullen mural]

when things die u get energy back when u have them bleeded

[slate crown]

The pooling concept is for ST mostly

[arctic tusk]

any interesting builds for coucnil

like scent of blood

[tawdry flare]

Bone Spear

feels fun

at least in that fight

[sullen mural]

i just bench myself on council

i fucking despise that boss

[misty holly]

SBS is fun on every fight.

[oak tangle]

SBS can be deleted for all i care

[subtle kiln]

sbs 🐐

[spice spire]

Delete this rn nephew

[eternal nymph]

IC instead of dashing scoundrel, or mby some bone spike setup.

And then you get ducked in cool downs anyways

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

[eager solstice]

How do you guys get better cleave on the spears on Igira mythic?

[tawdry flare]

Spatter and kindly ask people to drop it near the boss

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[tawdry flare]

Otherwise - fuck'em

[balmy condor]

Tell the ranged they will die if they don’t run their shit into melee

[eager solstice]

Lol true

[balmy condor]

That usually is a good motivator

[burnt zodiac]

I have a question about my vault and needed second opinions

[tawdry flare]

did ya sim it

[eager solstice]

The spec feels might and day different with PI and without. With PI we’re godlike

[tawdry flare]

[burnt zodiac]

no but i dont think itll require sim

[spice spire]

It will

🤝

[balmy condor]

Over/under on that quake?

[burnt zodiac]

wplaying my rogue i havent touched since season 1

[balmy condor]

I’m putting 10 on it

[west gyro]

no sim needed if all the options are dog 2 weeks in a row XD

[burnt zodiac]

Current gear:

[oak tangle]

what is that fancy ass character screen

[burnt zodiac]

i doubt the hero chest in catalyst will do better than that lfr trink right?

[spice spire]

[burnt zodiac]

being as my trinks are doodoo

[burnt zodiac]

Narcissus addon

[tawdry flare]

ilvl == good

[burnt zodiac]

ill sim rn, i just think the ilvl increase from champ>hero shouldnt beat out the trinket upgraded

[real stirrup]

that is some cool addon

[burnt zodiac]

also ended up getting Normal Gift of Ursine Vengeance from raid somehow and im debating on equipping it just for the AGI

[tawdry flare]

I only use it for the Tier Bonus gem thing it gives your toon.

[spice spire]

It’s 100% a sim 🤝

[tawdry flare]

no way. didn't see that coming

[burnt zodiac]

Narcissus is the addon

lmao

[balmy condor]

Okay but on the other hand, why would you consider an LFR trinket?

[burnt zodiac]

im just doin a dungeon slice since im in m+ talents, not sure if theres a specific way i should sim

[balmy condor]

You can farm better in a week

Just afking dungeons

[tawdry flare]

Kinda true tho

[oak tangle]

sometimes better now is not necessarily better, but also, this is not one of those cases

[burnt zodiac]

also a fair point but couldnt i do the same thing with farming a chest?

[spice spire]

Ur gonna ruin the odds

[hazy violet]

is the witherbark + deathmark macro wonky for anyone else?

[spice spire]

[muted haven]

does any1 know the range on caustic splatter?

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s why I’d take the helm

[balmy condor]

12 yards from the target

[burnt zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/45vgYLeHm11QsniQqm2W9B

i have full tierset alrdy at higher ilvl than the helm

[balmy condor]

Oh it’s the mog

That threw me off

[burnt zodiac]

447 ashes is simming better than the hero chest

[spice spire]

🤝

[oak tangle]

also that the items are green

[spice spire]

We got the answer

[burnt zodiac]

the tier pieces show as green

[lucid rain]

I meant when I was playing sub

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’d take the chest personally because I’d rather jump off a bridge than take an LFR trinket but if you don’t care for that

Take the trinket

[thin gate]

the droptimizer sim of smolderon Haste and 6K Main stat on use aint including a cloak right?

[oak tangle]

just get the trinket in raid :4head:

[thin gate]

so its even more dps right?

[burnt zodiac]

i have terrible trink luck so im just taking trink for now and because of that next 2 keys i run will drop trinks lmao

[muted haven]

i dont understand how im supposed to get fat cleave on mythic igira, missing spears

12 yards is short

[thin gate]

fix it by playing the spears closer to each other

talk to raidlead to adjust the world marks for the drops

[oak tangle]

are the spears dying

if so

[thin gate]

while casting the spears u can stand with tank, cause igira and auto attack cleaving meanwhile. after that u can go behind the boss and hit all

[oak tangle]

problem?

[thin gate]

aint*

u can stand inside the fire just dont stand inside the initial hit range

[oak tangle]

your position doesn't matter though

[muted haven]

yeah i think our group had spears too spread, will rectify

we got the kill but im like 10m dmg behind on caustic splatter

very depressing gray parses

[thin gate]

for the caustic it doesnt, but overall he can play the boss that way

it worked to me at least, while spears @ tank and after spears land move behind boss and cleave of

[oak tangle]

i see what you mean, idk im just of the opinion that my dh's and stuff kill them

[eternal heath]

[thin gate]

2 more leech procs on tier set mythic items and im full leechy 🙂

who needs healer at this point

[wide ferry]

Anyone rockin the needlesly complex wristguards? battlerez would be nice in m+

[tacit charm]

when is correct timing to use ashes?

[eternal heath]

damn lol what is your leech %

[plain onyx]

After you burn them .. heh heh heh ( sheldon cooper)

[slate crown]

!guide Gear page has trinket commentary and how to use them. Ashes is ~3sec after KB

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[tacit charm]

ah ok, tysm!

[thin gate]

rn base 14% without applied

[eternal heath]

How much with 👀

[fallow acorn]

do you have to do Rise and Fall on 20 to get the portal? I just did Fall

[void pecan]

Yes

[fallow acorn]

no portal sadge

[wild rapids]

is there any disadvantage to macro shadow dance and cruel dreamcarver into kingsbane?

[eternal nymph]

Cruel dreamcarver is a one time use

The buff sticks forever

Find a mob of the type you want, use it, forget it

Besides that, you can macro SD and KB yeah

[regal crest]

Just got the 4p and want to be sure. What we are chaining is the envenombuff right? Is that what allows the 4p to empower the next one?

[wild rapids]

oh, i see. Is there any buff type we prefer then?

[outer cairn]

20 fall. no dagger still

the grind continues

[south wing]

not at all, what do you mean exactly

[oak tangle]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[eternal nymph]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[south wing]

so which one

[eternal nymph]

Beast, Dragonkin and mechanical are kinda cool

[south wing]

my gut says Beast

[eternal nymph]

I prefer beast

Your call

[fallen raven]

i'm a dragonkin gamer

[oak tangle]

just don't do critter

[south wing]

chad gaming

[wraith cosmos]

critter gamer here

[deep solstice]

Does mutilate turn into ambush when blindside procs the way that SS now does?

[eternal nymph]

Yes

[oak tangle]

i'm being held hostage by my government "we'll call you at 2pm" i'm just hanging around here at 2:45pm just waiting for a call

[plain onyx]

I dont know why i always fuck up my opener everytime ambush proccs, is there a macro that can help? Press ambush when it proccs, mutilate with the same button ?

[mystic sedge]

What's that addon that shows the levels for your tracks

[urban rampart]

What should I craft after my boots?

[plain onyx]

Wrists

[slate crown]

The procs are automatic. You do not need to react to them at all

The game automatically casts Ambush when you have a proc

[lucid rain]

to be specific, the game replaces your mutilate button with ambush

[eternal heath]

WA, lemme find it

[lucid rain]

zero brain required

[eternal heath]

https://wago.io/9sDRPgnTb

[mystic sedge]

ty ty

[plain onyx]

Wait, are you saying when ambush proccs during my rotation i can still hit mutilate? Because when it proccs ambush button lights up (Blindside)

[peak bobcat]

need my guild to kill smolderon asap

im tired of playing SUB

[south wing]

is there an add on I can use to get more loadouts? Feels ass importing one for every boss in raid as I have too many already.

[slate crown]

Yes, press Mutilate. It directly replaces the spell with Ambush

In fact, you cannot cast mutilate if you wanted to

[brittle burrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[south wing]

I’m pretty confused about this too. I have ambush on the same button as muti in my stance bar but feels ass to press a different button during procs out of stealth

[slate crown]

unless you make a cancelaura macro (don't do this)

[slate crown]

I'm not sure what you mean

Go up to a dummy and press mutilate a bunch until you get a proc

and just look at your action bar

the button will directly turn into ambush

[south wing]

it doesn’t though, why wouldn’t it?

dumb ass muti macro?

[slate crown]

If it doesn't then either you found a crazy specific bug to your character, or are using a macro that uses a Mutilate icon override (and it is actually doing ambush) or your UI is busted

[keen flume]

Random question don’t know if it’s been asked yet or not but are we still finishing at 4 cp or now do we finish at 5?

[south wing]

yep that’s it

[slate crown]

But I promise it's casting ambush

[south wing]

thank you

sometimes I press muti during blindside proc and feelsbadman. But you’re saying it’s NOT casting muti?

[slate crown]

4. Before deathmark casting a 5+ CP envenom is the only exception

Otherwise, 4+

[keen flume]

Sweet Ty

[slate crown]

It is not casting Mutilate unless your macro for Mutilate also has a cancelaura in it

[plain onyx]

Just to be clear, the game itself changes it to Blindside when it proccs or there's a macro i have to be using ?

[slate crown]

Game itself

[balmy condor]

The game does that

[slate crown]

no macro

u just push button

[balmy condor]

You physically are unable to cast a mutilate when you have the blindside proc

There is no way to do it

[south wing]

wow I was just making things harder for myself

[arctic current]

what ya reckon hybrid build or the shocker this week?

[plain onyx]

Then no extra keybind ffs. The same old mutilate button

[south wing]

it was a dumbass showtooltip macro for muti

thank you so much

[warped willow]

I have a feeling this is very specifically a low gear/low dungeon lv issue so there might not really be a good answer, but here goes: in lower dungeons everything dies so quickly that more often than not, my stealth opener is more important to me than my kingsbane/deathmark, but with shades i can't seem to drop combat ever. ive been saving vanish but most groups just won't stop for shades and chain the entire dungeon. what would you recommend me to do if i can't open on packs through stealth?

[spice spire]

Vanish or shadow dance

[plain onyx]

Change teammates

[warped willow]

should i prio rupture or garrote with sd?

[south wing]

roll combat

[spice spire]

[warped willow]

just playing assassination as an alt cause a friend a while ago dared me to learn the spec and i wanted to wait til the rework and so im just playing it as an alt

i have 0 interest in the other specs

plus im getting melee arcane mage vibes from it and i like it

[tired thistle]

is anyone else getting knocked out of stealth constantly during keys? waycrest and rise have been the worst so far i cant seem to stay in stealth while doing literally nothing I shrouded and IMMEDIATELY came out

[spice spire]

Aug or sark cloak

[plain onyx]

the shame..

[spice spire]

Are the two main causss

[plain onyx]

Assa for main ffs 🫡

[tired thistle]

No aug no sark cloak

[spice spire]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
• Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
• some mistweaver thing related to their statue

[spice spire]

Those are the other two

[warped willow]

ive also had stealth drop randomly in wm, i think it happens if you are close enough to triggering the spawning witch, but i'm just speculating

[tired thistle]

I do have a MW in here

SO that could be it

[slate crown]

Yes, in low keys it's kind of a wash, everything dies very quickly, and even in high keys KB/DM targets die too quick anyways

[warped willow]

funnily enough im a mw main and as far as im aware theres no dungeon content in which we bring statues. i think technically tiger statue is a bit of a dps increase but its so bad + we really want other talents

[oak tangle]

This is considered fast food here in Australia

[junior aurora]

probably costed you 25 dollarydoos too

[oak tangle]

12

[junior aurora]

12 bucks for a burger is not fast food lmao

[oak tangle]

even macca's burgers are around there

[plain onyx]

Trying my rotation, so the only time i hit ambish is within the opener, stealth> garotte > ambush and continue but when blindside proccs either mutilate or ambush are the same button ? Because it replaces it? Sorry this took too long its just its a game changer for me if it does

The extra keybind is giving me a headache

[junior aurora]

yeah it replaces it

[lucid rain]

mutilate turns into ambush when blindside is available

[red cloak]

spark notes version of aoe roation in m+?

[oak tangle]

dots and kb a big target

[junior aurora]

put bleeds up, mutilate main target, use opener on it

[plain onyx]

Thank you !!!!!! Parses here i come 🏃‍♂️

[red cloak]

do you SD for KB?

[dusk helm]

i have only branch. pip is worth it?

[warped willow]

oh yea one more question (i have so many but im trying not to flood the channel). if stuff lives long (rare occasion, but it happens) and im off cds, what should i prio? rupture/garrote spread for energy or caustic cleave? i dont have 4pc yet but as if i did

[red cloak]

do you just SD for IC?

[slate crown]

Either way 4pc or no, you just spread your bleeds, fok -> rup fok -> rup -> garrote, until you are energy saturated (you are generating more energy than you can spend), then tempest / envenom

Your dance/KB will be up soon

[junior aurora]

can SD for either

[slate crown]

This is really key level and dungeon dependent

[junior aurora]

this week might be good to save sd for ic just because its harder to get restealths

but its very dependent

[dusk helm]

why assassination don't equip 2 use trinket?
(for example, branch+ashes)

[red cloak]

okay sorry I only do subtlety pvp so this is like... very strange for me lmao

[junior aurora]

you only need a big on use for the deathmark cd

the minute kingsbane isn't nearly as powerful

so 2 on use isn't as good

[red cloak]

do you press deathmark before KB or are they used separately to spread out your dmg

[simple gulch]

Anyone remember when sin mastery went up to like 300%s in legion

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[red cloak]

nice

[winged sun]

hi

[runic hinge]

reported

[winged sun]

no i just wanted to say hi

dont ping whispyr plz ty

back to outlaw cya

[simple gulch]

Do it

[solid mica]

anyone have something that makes the border of plater mobs red or diff colored if they have rupture applied?

[winged sun]

u guys dont miss me?

even for a little bit

[junior aurora]

who

[simple gulch]

I do

[simple gulch]

Why is your username from a firelands boss

[winged sun]

i appreciate that Mr Box

[junior aurora]

its not

came first

[spice spire]

In November?

[runic hinge]

chicken or egg

[winged sun]

LMAO

[simple gulch]

[junior aurora]

not copium when i've been using this name since wc3 lol

[simple gulch]

Im just messing

[red cloak]

so you maintain crimson tempest and then spread rupture manually when you dont have IC while not letting Envenom buff drop. okay that makes sense

[simple gulch]

Blizzard stole a name from a rando

They’d stoop so low

[junior aurora]

it was back during peak titty milk era

so makes sense

[simple gulch]

During what?

[junior aurora]

when they were sexually harassing all their employees

cata era

[simple gulch]

Oh right that does make sense

[winged sun]

idk i dont believe anything nowadays

legit u could call a man a man and he would say the same thing

xdd

[junior aurora]

wut

they fired people over it

[winged sun]

people get triggered quick nowadays

[junior aurora]

renamed half their zones

[runic hinge]

This was years ago

[junior aurora]

mcree is cassidy now

you think they change all that over unsubstantiated claims lol

[winged sun]

im not saying that

just people do get triggered very quickly nowadays

from just a word or 2

[runic hinge]

ok boomer

[tame tangle]

yea this wasn’t one of those times

[simple gulch]

Mc’Aree is now Eredath

[spice spire]

The fuck

[simple gulch]

[spice spire]

Is happening

[junior aurora]

zeross breached containment again

[winged sun]

i guess

[spice spire]

Just let me sleep

[tame tangle]

confirmed actually but sure

[spice spire]

[winged sun]

no in general

not that specific thing

[simple gulch]

No one is stopping you

[winged sun]

cuz idk what happened there

wasnt there

and didnt read anything on it

[spice spire]

I am stopping me

[runic hinge]

Do you think before you type?

[winged sun]

[runic hinge]

Rhetorical