assassination

[oak tangle]

i should clarify, cause i think you guys misinterpretted and im tired.

Leading into a DM window, you need 5+ envenom before dm to be able to do what you need to do and refresh envenom

not to finish on 5+ inside dm

[drifting cedar]

dont know where to put flavor pocket, got good ilvl belt

[limber lion]

Fair enough. I wouldn't mind a duration tracker itself, but a static one seemed out of place :P

I'm yoinking that, much better than my plain normal green bar

[strange python]

oh yeah if you want flavor pocket you gotta put it somewhere huh - probably ring? Can it even go on a ring? There's just higher ilvl pants available...and big stats on pants.

[real solar]

5 cp envenom before DM/KB combo

4 cp inside KB windows

[jade dawn]

anyway to stop details resetting on vanish?

[limber lion]

Actually nvm, I can't fit it in my pack anymore after I redid a bunch of things

[strange python]

Bookmarks > Scripts > Dynamic Damage

[limber lion]

But it's sick, would recommend

[tranquil cobalt]

Ok that makes sense. I was envonem at 4 before DM

[mint kindle]

I see a lot of variations of the pull rotation being done (by sim, by 99% percentile players etc, from guide). Which one do I follow?

[real solar]

Wowhead guide

!guide

[slate crown]

Quick note because you are discerning enough to notice. The red bar's default is 2 sec, but the custom options lets you make it true pandemic instead. I did 2 seconds because that's what sims and guide recommendations had, so I wanted the default to match that. I personally play with true pandemic.

The orange bar is for when you have 4pc, is a rough guideline of "If you rupture before this point, you will have enough GCDs to get enough CP to envenom again before envenom drops", I arbitrarily set it to 4 sec

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[shut owl]

theres some rng in it, and some ideas for why we vary. stick to the guide before trying to figure out why they are doing weird shit

[finite echo]

What variations

[limber lion]

Yeah, I noticed the true pandemic in the options. First thing I always check with new stuff is the custom options

But good stuff, looks great

I need to figure out what to do with my current setup to make it work with it

[shut owl]

true pandemic in LE is amazing

ty lisonna :>

[slate crown]

ofc

That said

[mint kindle]

Guide say garrote > SnD > ... for example. Most players do garrote > ambush > rupture first

Guide also says rupture in dance, most players (and sim) doesn''t

[real solar]

Guide does not say that

read it

[mint kindle]

Did it chagne?

[strange python]

it says to garrote then snd? It should say garrote, ambush, rupture

[oak tangle]

but yeah in the particular example, not having shiv for the second half, and having trinket drop for last tick is big damage loss

[slate crown]

I need to pay more attention to this in my auras, my newer auras like witherbark account for this but I need to be better, or at least push the color selections for ticks into custom options always, revamped the KB timeline to help with this

[mint kindle]

Oh I'm pretty sure it changed, but might be wrong

[real solar]

It changed 2 weeks ago!

[slate crown]

Current envenom bar could use some adjustments for that

[cunning notch]

Will assa get nerfed? Topping in almost every raid boss..

[tranquil cobalt]

Is it worth removing branch from my death mark macro and delaying it by a second or two?

[olive veldt]

Hope not

[oak tangle]

if you're gonna stand still and not play around it, put it on kb

[keen spruce]

logs are inflated by PI and Aug. but also still probably yes.

[cunning notch]

But looks like it i guess?

[tranquil cobalt]

Thanks

[woeful wigeon]

is there a WA that sound you when you lower then 50% of youre energie for the pasive N?

[heavy jolt]

can you macro stuff to deathmark? or just leave seperate?

[real solar]

nothing to macro with it unless a trinket

[keen spruce]

there's been no announcement about assas nerfs, but it's a safe assumption that something will get tuned

[thorn fjord]

There is no spoon

[strange python]

the only thing you'd want to - is your on-use trinket.

[keen spruce]

trinkets and potions

[olive veldt]

I macroed my branch to death Mark, sounds like that is not the move and I'm using it too early by doing that

[strange python]

oh yeah and potion huh

[oak tangle]

if there is one can it be whispyr saying "it doesn't matter"

[finite echo]

You'd hate my dm macro

[olive veldt]

But better than not using

[strange python]

Let's see it

[heavy jolt]

and as for branch, so i use it. get two buffs and run away from the 3rd orb for a few seconds?

[strange python]

@oak tangle

[oak tangle]

if you make the effort to kite about 5 yards, it's prefect timing

[strange python]

show this man

[slate crown]

Firstly you shouldn't need one, don't play around it. However, as an exercise you should try to add it to your energy bar weakaura currently, it would be pretty straightforward with conditions. Pretty good learning opportunity 🙂

[olive veldt]

If that extends buff, I learned something new. I'll do the kite thing thanks @oak tangle

[keen spruce]

i hate

[strange python]

hope that helps buddy

[keen spruce]

that you drew this picture

tilted 45 degrees

[slate crown]

lmao

[finite echo]

#showtooltip deathmark
/use 13
/use 14
/w priestName pi me
/use fleeting elemental potion of ultimate power
/use Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power
/cast deathmark

[brazen zodiac]

oh, it works if you put both the pots?

[strange python]

nah i approve

[olive veldt]

I saw that picture and didn't understand it until now

Lmao

[brazen zodiac]

good to know 👍

[strange python]

BUT

what if you race change to orc

better put a Blood Fury in there

[thorn fjord]

If you're a tauren add a /moo line somewhere in there too like me

[finite echo]

i am a tauren, should put that in since i can't get another line for racial

[strange python]

lol I got Fire Eater's Vial macro'd into my Kidney Shot

makes me feel so good

[real solar]

ya, uses whichever line is first if you have both

If missing one, uses the one you have

[keen spruce]

this is how most people's deathmark macros look

[strange python]

COMBOOOOOOOOOOOST

[runic hinge]

we aint getting nerfed we're allowed to be on top

[normal otter]

hello, someone here who could take a look at my HC Volocross timeline and let me know what I am doing wrong? would be really appreciated

[slate crown]

Remember that when you spam press this button the priest will get spam whispers. To account for this, a weakaura on DM cast with a chat message would be more streamlined. however I recognize a side benefit is annoying the priest and making sure they see the messages, and i approve of that

[real solar]

I hate putting pots into DM macro cause I wanna hold my pots in keys and world content

[maiden jackal]

shouldnt you get pi on kingsbane and not at the start of deathmark

[strange python]

I haven't run across a world mob i could put a DM on in like months

[brazen zodiac]

thank you <3

[finite echo]

i should probably set that up instead of annoying my priest, but they didnt seem to care this tier so far :p

[brazen zodiac]

i always wondered if there was an easier way then just removing the word fleeting and readding it before raid 💃

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oak tangle]

post away

[runic hinge]

I just think of last seasons warcraft logs with sin way at the bottom cause we could only do boss damage and now we're on top and I'm getting dm's about us needing nerfs and I'm like let us shine and have our time in the sun

[strange python]

I mean human reaction time brought into it, etc...the main benefit is the extra poison applications during KB. So haveing it at the END isn't as important as say having branch at the end.

[midnight atlas]

ask for assist in raid and do /rw PI ME

[keen spruce]

my priest has a WA that a message on his screen when I whisper him the secret PI phrase

[lyric grail]

can someone tell me how to fix pi macro?

[oak tangle]

my pi tech is this

"yo just pi me like 10 seconds into the fight, unless you're busy"

[bronze marsh]

Mine is just not getting it

lol

[lyric grail]

no i mean /w name doesnt work

[thorn fjord]

My priest last night was high as shit and kept missing every PI after pull

[finite echo]

it should, what's the line you are using

[keen spruce]

it do tho

[oak tangle]

or if it's smolderon or something, "yo just PI me in intermission"

[bronze marsh]

our priest was giving it to the frost mage last night

[finite echo]

remember if they are off realm you have to -server

[runic hinge]

your priest is griefing

[oak tangle]

i was big sad in normal raid today, no one was pi me

[bronze marsh]

my guild is lol

[oak tangle]

gnarlroot

[strange python]

my man

[oak tangle]

but then they found the pi button for volcoross

[normal otter]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3VQn6p8m2ajckWb1#fight=10&type=damage-done&source=12

[strange python]

I do pretty good in the raid - when i dont die

[gray sierra]

how do we stay above 50% energy for SB? feel like im always dry

[strange python]

stay dry my boy, stay dry

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[finite echo]

yea i be hitting that mf thing dry af

[strange python]

jeezus

[midnight vortex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[oak tangle]

your opener kb is perfect

[finite echo]

your burst sequences are good, so we'll have to knitpick

you had 4 teas with 7 available

and dropped envenom 4 times

[velvet zenith]

LFR raid gives Whelpling's dreaming crest?

[finite echo]

if you used those teas you chain the entire fight

[strange python]

oh i guess i should do LFR this week

[oak tangle]

fight timer is mega bad

[strange python]

if we go do LFR, there will be like 8 nerf rogue posts on the forums though

[normal otter]

ye i think i should use a tea at pull aswell before the 6 second kingsbane marker

[runic hinge]

I got 4 set so I’m never going back to lfr

[lime crypt]

holdon

[ornate blaze]

in ST is it worth to use CT? or do i just skip it

[finite echo]

yea you can either use them to have kb buffed on the front, or to never drop envenom chains

[lime crypt]

im supposed to have CS up BEFORE i used KB?

fuck

[severe sparrow]

I went into lfr a week ago trying to get anything for 4p and was 2x the dps of the next person. Oof. Felt great for the ego though

[strange python]

no do not

4+ targets only

[buoyant flicker]

is the aoe build even worth playing honestly

it makes ur ST so dog in keys

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/they-seeme-trollin-troll-hater-meme-gif-11910196

[buoyant flicker]

AP genuinely just seems better to me idk

even has more prio dmg in packs

[strange python]

huh

[north frost]

What trinkets do you prefer for Raid/M+?

[oak tangle]

i'm going to bed, here's a pooling meme

[strange python]

Arterial Shock build is a m+ build on wowhead guide

[strange python]

night player

[buoyant flicker]

yeah but the other one seems pretty bad idk

i dont see why you wouldnt play AP

[strange python]

yeah dont play it hah

[indigo sinew]

I just got my kingsbane parried. ggs rerolling

[lavish isle]

which should be mine 2nd tier piece if i have shoulders as first one ? or it doesnt matter

[slate crown]

🦀 🦀 I'm using crab 🦀 🦀 . I like the crab in both raid and M+, sims will for me, even with branch. If anything because it means I can post this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation

[strange python]

shoulds been behind boss

[silent stratus]

does the sbs build perform better on a 2p only profile? it sims 5.8% more, is it reliable or a potential bait?

[strange python]

You're the first person i've seen even mention SBS build, honestly. I know of its existence. But I don't think anyone's actually playing it.

[silent stratus]

lmao I tried to sim all the most common builds and I was surprised sbs was the top performer

[strange python]

I'd pretend that thing doesn't exist, if i were you.

[silent stratus]

u have sbs icon on your name btw

[strange python]

yeah i know lol

maybe it's what i secretly play

[spring walrus]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[buoyant flicker]

i didnt meant the aeterial shock build tbh

[real inlet]

how much does ilvl on offhand matter?

[ionic matrix]

About zero

[strange python]

When I'm presented with the option of having an extra button (versus not having an extra button). I'm gonna choose to not use that extra button.

[buoyant flicker]

i mean the tyrannical build thats pretty much just ST build with IC

[strange python]

If there was some SBS build that was 1-2% below Kingsbane, i'd probably play it

[ionic matrix]

Any current season 460 ilvl and above nick of time from fall of galakrond is gonna beat any 489 dagger from elsewhere. Essentially you should just hunt it for offhand

[obsidian walrus]

Ive only done myabe 4 or 5 raid fights as sin but woudl I just pist a log here to get some advice?

[spark rain]

@earnest remnant could you check a log for me and see what im doing wrong?

[mild phoenix]

anyone having issues with lock/hunter pets interacting with shroud?

getting stealthed*

[ionic matrix]

Had a bug last night where dream salvage procced 23 times in 23 seconds and did 160k hps while I stood in the fire on Smolderon when a wipe was called

[tall jay]

So I got that dagger that does that stuff that’s posted. But what do we do? Is it like a one time buff or does it change as we use it

[spark rain]

can someone knit pick this pls

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YagnwLAC3X4pcb27#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=2

[obsidian walrus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xKJvChBa4Lk7pdWn#fight=20&type=damage-done&source=28

[ionic matrix]

I think taking anything besides robot is pretty troll. Other option would be the leech. Not as good in my humble opinion. Just walk up to test dummy and use it and the buff stays until you take weapon off

[runic hinge]

Just play both

[obsidian walrus]

oop sorry @spark rain

[lyric grail]

how do i spread bleed on bosses ? with carnage?

[formal quiver]

When I’m running lower keys, what should I be doing different on packs that will die very quickly? Just throw out one garrote/rupture and start fanning and envenom? It feels very bad to use kb/death mark on cd in some of these keys

[lyric grail]

like on council

[severe sparrow]

Are you all getting your first rupture in st opener in early enough to get empowered or nah/not reliably?

Council just st with spatter, no?

[strange python]

then i'd have to macro my potion to deathmark to free up a keybind

[ionic matrix]

Believe every fight in raid is st unless adds, then caustic.

[severe sparrow]

Yeah

[finite echo]

IC if your tanks like you

[severe sparrow]

Ok well

Mine don't

[ionic matrix]

Funny joke, Griff.

All tanks hate us.

[finite echo]

[severe sparrow]

I think that's my second least favorite fight in the raid tbh

[finite echo]

Just put the bear on another thing ffs

[strong temple]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hexed willow]

After smolderon right

Smolderon is the worst 😭

[ionic matrix]

Volo because its too easy

[severe sparrow]

Larodar for me cuz he's always dicking around when I wanna kb

[hexed willow]

I get tornados when I want to KB and my CDs never line up with his phase

[severe sparrow]

Like off in the puddles

[hexed willow]

Like I’m tempted to learn how to sub just to deal with him

Like do I just stay in melee when I have the tornado and dps boss

[ornate lake]

Wait, we randomly skipped past DK's for PI prio according to https://bloodmallet.com/chart/power_infusion

This wasn't the case last week. DK's were ahead.

[tame tangle]

dk getting a tad more damage from pi alone last week doesn’t mean they were prio lol

[severe sparrow]

Does smoldy have nados? I didn't watch rwf/haven't looked at mythic yet

[ornate lake]

According to my guild it is. Both DK and priest are officers though :X

[tame tangle]

you got played

[ornate lake]

How can i convince the DK that PI should go to me :/ started on mythic this week so im feeling quite cringe.

[ionic matrix]

Link them what we showed

[severe sparrow]

Our priests just pi whoever they like except one who uses some whisper thing so i have to fight everyone who requests it too

Zzz

[ionic matrix]

Heres the deal, a good dk on opener is better than a rogue on opener technically still

But every other pi should be yours from then on

So I just take every pi anyway vs dk cause i am giga geared

[lofty junco]

in terms of difficulty, what would be the order of hc bosses for easy vault?

[hexed willow]

Yeah on heroic

[small garnet]

either i dont know how caustic splatter works or it just doesnt show up in details

hmm

[ionic matrix]

Are you mutilating every 10 seconds?

[limpid ridge]

You put shit on them, your shit spreads to other mobs

[thorn fjord]

hell yeah

[hexed willow]

Check under envenom damage

[limpid ridge]

Caustic shows up on its own in Details

[small garnet]

mine doesnt as it seems hmm

[limpid ridge]

You have your poisons on right

[small garnet]

yes

[limpid ridge]

And you Rupture then Mulitate every 10seconds on 1 target?

[ionic matrix]

You have a second target right...

[limpid ridge]

And then Envenom said target?

[small garnet]

but it doesnt show up i did have several targets nearby

[spice surge]

You dont have rupture

[limpid ridge]

Where is your rupture

[lofty junco]

https://tenor.com/view/kek-tractor-kek-tractor-gif-20579745

[small garnet]

[limpid ridge]

My man is doing the no rupture challenge

[fading ocean]

[dreamy elk]

Rofl.

[spark rain]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YagnwLAC3X4pcb27#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=2

criticize

[thorn fjord]

Ok so now I have a dilemma

[fiery mauve]

Does bloodmallet pi sim include aug

[thorn fjord]

My 3 best trinkets right now are ashes branch and crab

I also have an hour glass

How do I make ashes/branch combo work

[fiery mauve]

[heady badge]

what's the best use for the branch? collect all 3 orbs right away in cd or spread them out?

[thorn fjord]

Or do I just run branch grab

[sweet dawn]

Very painfully

[fiery mauve]

[proven jasper]

Im literally using a 441 sandglass with a branch

and it sims higher than a 476 mirror with branch

so probably sim

[thorn fjord]

Im not worried about the sim numbers I know what they’re going to look like

Just wondering how to play the double on use

[proven jasper]

Probably just every kb then

hold second on use to line up with 1 min kb

[thorn fjord]

Branch on pull ashes on KB refresh or vice versa

[proven jasper]

probably that way around yea

[thorn fjord]

I’m thinking ashes has more value with PI on pull

Agi>mastery

[proven jasper]

True

We had three ashes drop yesterday on one kill

[thorn fjord]

@keen spruce what you think breh

Nice

[proven jasper]

Not a single signet

[thorn fjord]

That trinket is dead in the water till mythic for my load out unfortunately

[proven jasper]

its gotta be better than a 441 sandglass for me LOL

[thorn fjord]

Oh for sure

[proven jasper]

i need a break from fall

[main urchin]

why is it recomended to use wafting weapon enchants ?

[thorn fjord]

Mastery

[proven jasper]

if it sims higher it sims higher

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mhmm-marshmellow-gif-23367954

[strange python]

It's only recomended i think when all the other stats are what they are in the build used in the sim. Sim it yourself.

[proven jasper]

its mainly a bis gear profile thing ya?

[strange python]

I mean it could be

[proven jasper]

i just run one wafting one sophic bc thats what sim told me was best rn

[thorn fjord]

My sims want both wafting

But yeah just sim it

[nimble estuary]

Does our OH mean nothing lol

[thorn fjord]

@proven jasper so sims are saying run sandglass with branch

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iuizkSfW42Yt45cnDoCLgS

[gaunt sigil]

My sim said double wafting

[proven jasper]

Im running 441 sandglass over a 447 call that i have

And its still better

i think glass is just nutty

[thorn fjord]

Without branch sims want Ashes/Crab

but it comes out to simming about the same

[gaunt sigil]

Same ^

[proven jasper]

Yeah that sounds accurate

Definitely

[spark rain]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[gaunt sigil]

My sims always say Ashen Crab

[thorn fjord]

So i guess then it becomes what would you rather run

[gaunt sigil]

Though my branch isn’t good so

[proven jasper]

i personally really like branch

[fiery mauve]

I am a big ashes believer

[gaunt sigil]

I hate ashes in M+

[proven jasper]

Ive been hitting 600-700k openers with branch so works for me

[thorn fjord]

ashes is easier to play around

[proven jasper]

Definitely

branch is a little annoying to use

[gaunt sigil]

My brew got hero branch before my assa

Let’s me hit 370k openers on brew though

[unique sorrel]

Oh, WoW analyzer got updated?

[robust scaffold]

I'm wondering the most random shit right now, but I had to ask to see if anyone knew of an addon or some weakaura or some shit that that might grant the functionality to remove the word "Party" from above the default party frames. I know it's ridiculous and so minimal, but I thought there must be some kind of way with all the crazier shit addons allow

[slate crown]

I mean the obvious answer is "Get party unit frame addon like elvui" or something

But, short of that, let me see

[robust scaffold]

yeah :\

[thorn fjord]

Sucks getting branch today rendered my ash vault choice useless

BOOO

[slate crown]

A lot of elements can be made to frameelement:Hide() in a weakaura

[waxen oyster]

my sim wants double wafting

but thats because i have 1k haste base

only

[gaunt sigil]

I have 17ish% and mine still says wafting

[robust scaffold]

what would the frame element be called in this case?

[slate crown]

idn

[proven jasper]

yeah i have a solid amount of haste already also

Around 17% same

[slate crown]

I'm just saying generally, I'd have to look at it to see

[waxen oyster]

i dont look at %s

why bother

[proven jasper]

I dont just saying

[gaunt sigil]

I dont rember my exact #

[proven jasper]

Where im at

[gaunt sigil]

%s are fine for everything but mastery

[proven jasper]

ilvl> everything either way

[waxen oyster]

489 dreamcarver saves me from having to farm double nick

thankfully

[gaunt sigil]

I’m sure nick will sun better no?

[waxen oyster]

400 dps less in mh

[gaunt sigil]

Oh

[robust scaffold]

let me know if you find anything

[gaunt sigil]

Nice

[robust scaffold]

❤️

[waxen oyster]

at least for mine

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt sigil]

What do y’all use on your dreamcarver

I use beast

[proven jasper]

i havent swapped it off of beast

its saved me in m+ when my healer gets one shot

[slate crown]

Proof of concept, found the name via /framestack, then entering /run CompactPartyFrameTitle:Hide() hid the title

[gaunt sigil]

Beast is so good and almost no fall damage is funny

[proven jasper]

and i just heal to full

[robust scaffold]

that's amazing!!!!! I just type that into a chat box??

[slate crown]

You would need to set something up to run reliably every time you enter a party, and prevent it from showing up again, it may show up again randomly if you don't unregister. Just saying that if you want to avoid getting a whole new UI package thing, you could make a weakaura that does some things like that

[waxen oyster]

its pretty marginal

[proven jasper]

I mean nick off hand is the main goal

[gaunt sigil]

I have to jump from so high to take notable fall damage with beast

[wind totem]

Yo guys do we use an off piece or 5 tier pieces? I'm trying to decide what to use my catalyst on.

[proven jasper]

anything but legs

[wind totem]

alright

thanks

[proven jasper]

legs are our bad piece

[slate crown]

Like I said, it isn't a perminent thing, like if you relog/reload ui it will still show up, and it may show up again from random events, may even show up any time you leave/enter a party / raid

[gaunt sigil]

Legs are worst so ideally don’t use tier legs

[slate crown]

I just did testing in a simple 2 person party

[pine dew]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[slate crown]

You could make a macro for that chat command if you want something manual and simple

[waxen oyster]

it is a bit silly that dreamcarver is unique

[robust scaffold]

do i need to run /framestack every time?

[slate crown]

No

[keen spruce]

what do i think about what

[slate crown]

It should be that name every time, all you need is the Hide command

[gaunt sigil]

2x dreamcarver with beast for 32% leech under 50%

[robust scaffold]

making a WA that just runs every time on every character that runs that chat line could work?

[midnight atlas]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[slate crown]

No the weakaura was to have it run automatically. If you make a MAcro it would be a manual button push without a WA needed at all. For the WA you'd need to think about all the run conditions, do you run it in raid/ party etc

[robust scaffold]

I want it just to run everywhere, raid or party

i think the heading "Raid" shows up too

not sure

im sure that would be a different command though

[slate crown]

Idn I haven't done extensive testing though

[robust scaffold]

not "compactpartyframe"

[ionic matrix]

Robot cheat death procced 23x in 23 seconds last night, healing for 160k hps while I stood in fire on a wipe. Its bugged so might be bis atm

[slate crown]

I'm just saying, proof of concept, it's possible

[gaunt sigil]

That most definitely is bugged lmao, I gotta try that.

[waxen oyster]

its inconsistent

had it happen once on igira then not the next pull

[ionic matrix]

Yeah it doesnt work often

Not sure what causes the bug

[slate crown]

If you want to, you can make a WA add that line into the Actions Tab -> On Load code lines, and then have load conditions in the WA for when you want to try running it. If it doesn't work for the raid version or whatever, you can run /framestack and mouseover the next, see if you can decypher the name from it, and add that too. That's how I would go about it, but again, haven't extensively tested

[waxen oyster]

one time i had it heal like 500k in one attempt and was like how tf

beast or dragon is prob most consistent flavor buff

[ionic matrix]

I dunno, I dont normally die to rot, the cheat death seems more likely to save

Hard to tell. The leech might just be giga

[waxen oyster]

checking logs yes it seems to do 100kish heals but idk what triggers it ticking multiple times vs the intended singular

was about half the igira pulls

if you could consistently make it heal 500-600k its basically a healthpot

[robust scaffold]

amazing, okay. which weakaura do I make? None of the WAs under the advanced tab seem to be relevant to this

[slate crown]

Just any WA you want, When I make utility weakauras like this I usually create a new Text weakaura and change the text on the Display tab to nothing, just clear out the field and click accept. Default it will be center screen which shouldn't interfere with anything as it has no text, but you can move it off screen if you want too.

[red bloom]

theres a box at the bottom you can tick

[robust scaffold]

Got it! Am i in the right place here? "On Init" and then put the code here?

[slate crown]

Yeah, just make sure to not have the /run in it, the /run is just to be able to run it from the chat box. Remove that and put the rest in there.

[robust scaffold]

Okay got it! Amazing! let me see if it works

ill reload my game and try it

[slate crown]

Again, no guarantee it always works because that may not run every time you need it to, but it's a start, the rest you can add in as you see fit.

[robust scaffold]

it worked! at lesat for now 😄

[lavish wagon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[covert crane]

is there any good guide for kingsbane?

[slate crown]

!guide the general rotation guide has an opener which is how you generally play kingsbane

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gusty sleet]

Rogue fam, I need help. Where do I get more enchanted Wyrm's Dreaming Crests? I only have 1 and I need 2 -_-

[solemn mason]

What's the question about it?

[waxen oyster]

campaign

renown 20

are the 2 freebies

[south wing]

had a dude go “healer??” after getting one shot by the boss you LOS in throne. some people are helpless.

[covert crane]

like how it works.. i dont do nearly the amount of dmg other ppl do and i go with the WA that shows you when to use shiv or vanish

[waxen oyster]

you're using it incorrectly then

[covert crane]

yeah.. thats why im asking

[waxen oyster]

read the guide

envenom falling off

not using tea at 6s

or vanish at 3

[plain onyx]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[solemn mason]

Dm a log

[keen spruce]

[grand trail]

got totem and my logs looks better now 🙂 mythic gnarloot

[waxen oyster]

me when i first go into throne

and dont realize that mob was the boss

still got portal

[real pike]

Plainsrunners Breeze or Watchers Loam chaps

What's your preference

[fallow acorn]

I like speed

[proven jasper]

Plainsrunner

Me too

Speed is BIS

[real pike]

Yeeeeee

[dusty phoenix]

do u guys blow everything on pull on gnarlroot or wait for adds

[thorny pond]

Blow

Lines up with burn

If you hold, no bueno

[naive vapor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[rotund wagon]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[gusty sleet]

@waxen oyster I think I did the campaign one lol, so just get Dream Wardens to 20? What are the other ways?

[waxen oyster]

craft one by sending the mats to an enchanter

requires regular wyrms

[loud gull]

is mirror of fractured tomorrow bis in M+ ?

[thorny pond]

No

[loud gull]

cuz in sims it says that my 470 coiled serpent is better

[strange python]

is there a way to see how the sim spends combo points

curious about spending with 4 cp

[gusty crater]

My gnarlroot

[buoyant herald]

Amazing your raid doesn’t spec full aoe to murder the adds before you get a decent kingsbane spatter onto them 😑

[loud gull]

so bloodmallet is unrealiabe about trinkets, cuz it says mirror is better then my serpent coilks, but simming it says it isnt

[pale wave]

It’s such a bad feeling knowing you are playing a great spec that’s going to get nuked

[unique sorrel]

[waxen oyster]

because bloodmallet isnt your character

[unique sorrel]

Always the answer

[rotund wagon]

im sur eyou dont have the exact rest of the gearset either

[loud gull]

ah alright, i need to sim more then 😄

[buoyant herald]

Bloodmallet is simming and generating results using the gear in that specific profile. Your sim is using your gear. “Bis” is not universal

[waxen oyster]

branch/ashes+pip's is the usual isnt it

maybe crab if you dont have too much mastery

[loud gull]

alright good to know 🙂

[steep helm]

Guys, can i have a outlaw bis gear full set and still using assassination for single target raid?

[waxen oyster]

its not gonna be bis

[buoyant herald]

Of course. Won’t be optimal but your game won’t crash or anything

[waxen oyster]

if you wanna be full bis just send entirely as outlaw

[manic quartz]

Does spatter reach Igira spears?

[storm forum]

I accidentally bought PvP tier with the AotC/2k token, am I doomed?

it looks the same but im worried im missing something

[south wing]

time to get elite

[placid cobalt]

Hi guys, does anyone have any idea why the Sandglass trinket sims way higher for me than literally any other passive option that's supposed to be better?

[steep helm]

I like to play outlaw for mythic and assassin for raids ST. But i can't get full bis in both specs, its a big problem?

[south wing]

upgrading the ilvl is locked behind your pvp rating

[waxen oyster]

depends how bad your ranged are at dropping them

[storm forum]

oh noooo

[slim pebble]

You can’t upgrade the ilvl for pve content

[south wing]

since when

[slim pebble]

Pretty sure blizzard implemented that forever ago to stop pvers from buying boost for a power gain

[storm forum]

wait it just let me upgrade it

[slim pebble]

I could be wrong

[south wing]

yeah you are

[manic quartz]

we stack em pretty good, just visual guide would be awesome, i have hard time visualising 12 yards in the game

[south wing]

it was my go to for s1 and s2

[slim pebble]

Thanks dad

[waxen oyster]

end of the day its not a big deal

tier is tier

[ionic matrix]

anyone have any idea if there would be a way to modify a timer or bar weakaura with either a color change or a glow or outline or something if the rupture or garrote that was applied was empowered by nightstalker

[storm forum]

ive done 0 pvp and I just upgraded the Elite gloves to 4/6

[south wing]

facts

[south wing]

[manic quartz]

whispyrs WA does this already

[hard plaza]

whats easier to play at an "ok" level Sin, or outlaw would you say?

[waxen oyster]

the elite gear likely has a rating req to go to 6/6

i imagine

or not idk

[wide jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[south wing]

yes it does

[strange python]

what do you use to upgrade them? honor or conquest?

[storm forum]

i dont rly wanna use aspects to test

[south wing]

flightstones now I’m pretty sure

[strange python]

ahh

[waxen oyster]

no idea honestly

[south wing]

which is lame

[waxen oyster]

i played 2.1 in shuffle for the enchant in s1 first month of df

[strange python]

I just have the two trinkets. My PVE gear seems like it does pretty good in pvp anyway

[south wing]

used to be honor to upgrade the pve ilvl

[waxen oyster]

and havent played that game mode since

[south wing]

it probably isn’t far off from honor gear aside from the metric fuck ton of vers it gives

[waxen oyster]

they've nerfed how much pvp gear's ilvl is in pve since castle

i used to use it alot for early tier gearing

to supplement weak slots

[strange python]

yeah. I just do bgs and one shot someone every 1-2 minutes anyway

[gleaming reef]

This is correct. The gear in the sims is different then your own gear with different stat distributions thus why simming is always best.

[buoyant herald]

For now, until you can build two gear sets, I found that going vers/mastery simmed “ok” for both since mastery is very slightly less terrible for outlaw in aoe than it is in single target

[waxen oyster]

conquest gear now is relatively low iirc

[south wing]

reminds me of people mix n matching tier with pvp gear in wotlk

glass cannon engaged

[strange python]

I feel quite sturdy honestly

[south wing]

well versatility is a thing on pve gear now

Resilience was pvp only stat

[grand trail]

forgot to untalent spatter on volcoros 😄 still solid log for 4:10 fight

[strange python]

yeah i have 16% vers

[waxen oyster]

i'd need to check what ilvl pvp gear is outside pvp now

they did away with the rank ilvl upgrade system after the SL complaints

[potent python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hexed willow]

I have 26% 🙃

[pulsar dirge]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[strange python]

you can get it to 470 with just flightstones

[waxen oyster]

thats without rating im guessing

[strange python]

yeah

[waxen oyster]

wonder what duelist is in pve now

[strange python]

the trinket is like 6.1% dps loss though

i just simmed it

i mean the trinket, 1 min cd (agi), in theory, sounds like it'd be great

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mostly just did it when multispeccing and needing a weapon

for offspec

or early tier with PL and daggers refusing to drop

in EP 2 of the pvp azerite pieces were mythic raid ilvl with the same traits which was nice

[harsh anchor]

Can someone sinsplain that optimization between mutilate/ambush in or out of subt

[strange python]

really need help with m+ rotation - i think i've got it down pretty much. any help appreciated (big pack)

on pull, garrotte x2 then rupture to spread.
FoK
SnD
FoK envenom

basically need help from here

[south wing]

I have conq and wm daggers on rn because the game hates me 🫠

[strange python]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/restore-garotte-indiscriminate-carnage-targeting-to-pre-102/1725572

someone mad

[waxen oyster]

meanwhile we rolled off a mythic dreamcarver to xmog roll since both people had one

and an hc tswift one

[south wing]

I have a raid finder one

[harsh anchor]

I kind of experienced that on Council last night but /shrug, I delay a little bit until dog and horse are next to each other

[waxen oyster]

might do it for an outlaw wep idk

[urban rampart]

Anyone have useful macros for assasin rogue? Like what should be macrod together?

[keen spruce]

but this is also just wrong

it is based on your position

not the mobs

[strange python]

someone tell them.

last time i posted on the forums, i got a ban

place is a literal shithole

[keen spruce]

The closest i've gotten to interacting with those zoo animals

is typing a message then deleting it

[south wing]

Yeah that Whispyr dude is a troll with all his informative guides and immense amount of help he gives

[keen spruce]

oh maybe they did update

wat there a targetting hotfix

on IC

[south wing]

[keen spruce]

this is not how it was working

2 weeks ago

[cedar hatch]

Why does every rogue in rwf playing ashes instead of branch?

[strange python]

they mad cause bad

[waxen oyster]

well ashes is more likely to drop

[keen spruce]

beause convenience, less farm, more hard prog friendly

[waxen oyster]

than farming everbloom for hours a day

[urban rampart]

Anyone have useful macros for assasin rogue? Like what should be macrod together?

[desert sigil]

question about ST (just trying sin today for first time so might be hella confused):

it feels like every time i refresh my rupture during pandemic my envenom chain expires

does it make sense if rupture is gonna expire to cast envenom at 6 cp instead of 4 to extend duration so i have more time to refresh rupture and build another envenom before it expires?

or am i just doing something wrong?

also assuming the chain just dies and thats the rotation as intended, do i then pool to like 240 energy again to reset chain?

[cedar hatch]

ye but for example i see hunters playing it

[waxen oyster]

because melee is a bigger clusterfuck

[obsidian galleon]

Guys, which missive to we use on our crafting pieces (wrist) new assa Rogue here

[waxen oyster]

ranged kinda just afk

[south wing]

Peerless iirc

[cedar hatch]

Sim it

[waxen oyster]

peerless is also decent for sub

[royal lantern]

use branch on smolderon and tell me how it went

[waxen oyster]

honestly even vers mast is prob good if you're high on crit already

[pulsar dirge]

I would like someone to back me up but if youre not losing envemon uptime during KB i dont see how that would make any difference

[cedar hatch]

im using it and its not that bad tbh

[south wing]

I agree with what you just said

[strange python]

huh

[desert sigil]

so youre saying outside of KB window if chain falls off when i refresh rupture its fine im not doing anything wrong

[strange python]

it's bad to let envenom chain drop - it's just a dps loss

you're losing 4p every time you let it happen.

You should be able to refresh rupture and keep the chain going

same with garrote

[royal lantern]

what

litearlly the entire pooling part exists BECAUSE it drops sometimes

[strange python]

you thnk there isn't enough time to rupture, muti, muti, envenom?

[royal lantern]

stop saying "if it drops you play it wrong"

its not time

its energy

lol

[desert sigil]

yeahj its energy

[keen spruce]

nvm it's still the same i think

[urban rampart]

Would someone please share any useful macros?

[strange python]

A) I didn't say if it dropd you're playing it wrong. I said it's a bad thing and a dps loss if it drops. Assuming you have energy, you should be able to refresh tupture and keep the chain going.

[keen spruce]

there aren't any really important ones

[strange python]

and the quotes - to something that wasn't said is my favorte part

[keen spruce]

@strange python okay nvm it still works the way it did before

[south wing]

You can bind shadow dance into Kingsbane. That’s really the only thing I use

[keen spruce]

forum man just stoopid

[waxen oyster]

you know its a real shame that bonespike isnt good anymore

with spiteful weeks

[half dawn]

has anyone ever pocket dialed the fire department at 1am and woke up to them calling asking if you're OK 💀

[strange python]

SBS was like the only ability (from last xpac) that we could actually use anywhere and everywhere.

[keen spruce]

actually

[waxen oyster]

sbs is fun

[keen spruce]

it might even be better than before

[waxen oyster]

idk which blizzard dev has a hardon for sepsis

that they kept it

for 3 specs

[south wing]

I fell asleep in discord once with friends and they thought I was dying so they called the local PD to check on me. Had multiple officers barge in my room with bong on the table and all

[keen spruce]

yeah

so 2 weeks ago

[half dawn]

hoyl fuck

[keen spruce]

if i stood here with acro

only one mob would get garroted

[south wing]

I was just snoring while drunk but they said it sounded like I was dying 💀

[half dawn]

my friend thought i died because i havent been on battle net for 9 days

[strange python]

so you're saying what?

[half dawn]

but they didnt call PD

[strange python]

two weeks ago it was based on YOUR location?

and now it's better?

[tame tangle]

is fyrakk trinket any good

[keen spruce]

well it's still based on your location

i just tested with a friend

[silver verge]

what are sin rogues using to sim m+? d slice?

[keen spruce]

if he's 10 yards behind me

[strange python]

ahh like range increased or something

[keen spruce]

and i garrote a fish

he gets garroted

[strange python]

lol that's awesome

[keen spruce]

but this seems like it also extends out

[strange python]

10 yards it a lot

[keen spruce]

in front?

well it's always been 10yd

well not always

[desert sigil]

actually idk am i baked?

4CP envenom adds 4 second envenom buff

so you have 4 sec to muti->muti->rupture then muti->muti->envenom?

how is that possible to do 6gcd in 4 second?

[keen spruce]

this current itteration

[urban rampart]

Does indiscriminate carnage work with shadow dance?

[keen spruce]

yes

[strange python]

cause envenom pandemics

[brave sundial]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[south wing]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

Are we overthinking pooling again

[naive vapor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[royal lantern]

dont tell me you used sbs on spitefull adds

[desert sigil]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[urban rampart]

Anyone have the best AOE rotation for sin rogue? Different guides/videos saying different thing...

[shell quartz]

is there an WA for the branch?

[cedar hatch]

w8 envenom does have pandemic?

[strange python]

just trust the wowhead one

[thorny aurora]

come on how is that even allowed to happen

[upper spear]

Also, its been discussed a few times. Mutilate at 4CP isnt bad. If you need the extra buffer just do it. its better than dropping the buff.

[waxen oyster]

in sl?

hell yes?

[strange python]

oh hell yeah

refunds and all

SBS was a godsend

[balmy condor]

Aight

[scenic nacelle]

[balmy condor]

“Finish on 4+” and “Finish on 5+” being the same does not equal “force the situation you think is better at the time”

Let’s just get that out of the way

[strange python]

skill issue

[tacit charm]

I had that happen

[strange python]

you gotta hit from behind

[south wing]

hit it from the back

[urban rampart]

When does thistle tea need to be used?

[tacit charm]

how good is brand for sin in ST

[south wing]

the wowhead guide is super in depth

[strange python]

just under 6 sec remaining on Kingsbane

[south wing]

it explains that

[upper spear]

how do you guys like to use your extra Thistle?

Ive been having a lot of success in my chains when I am about to hit 0 energy, i hit a 6CP Env then stack 4-6 CP, hit Thistle while waiting, by time Env buff is about to drop Im almost full energy again.

Basically 100% uptime on Env?

you waste the mastery a little this way, but it seems acceptable

[strange python]

Probably best use is when you're low - or low going into a Kingsbane even. Long as you always save that one charge for last 6 sec of KB, you're goochie....and don't overcap with it.

[eternal heath]

goochie lmao

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure you use it for the energy more than the mastery

outside of the kb one

[upper spear]

https://tenor.com/view/its-gucci-gucci-mane-wake-up-in-the-sky-song-this-is-gucci-im-wearing-gucci-gif-23691545

[strange python]

lol did i spell it wrong

[eternal heath]

very lmao

[upper spear]

well

[strange python]

meh

[upper spear]

gooch

so

[eternal heath]

gooch is usually used in reference to your taint

[upper spear]

maybe he meant that'

[strange python]

yeah maybe that's what i fucking meant

[green apex]

Gucci is good goochie is where you shouldn't forget to wash

English is beautiful

[eternal heath]

and so is my goochie

checkmate

[upper spear]

ur goochie is gucci

[eternal heath]

[upper spear]

💯

[strange python]

doesn't the water kinda take care of that, without manually doing anything really?

it's like the feet

give em a good scrub once a week or so

[upper spear]

no bro

dont tell me

u dont wash your legs

ur one of those

[strange python]

bruh all the soap from the top goes down

[upper spear]

"gravity got me"

[strange python]

i mean

[midnight robin]

what did I walk into wtf

[upper spear]

omg

[lofty junco]

thats okay for 2pc and 458 ilvl? was a +11 atal

https://i.imgur.com/1HFUYQ5.png

[eternal heath]

that is absolutely not how it works

you gotta scrub your legs and ass

[strange python]

yeah i mean you guys did it with 10 mins left right - and all did the same. Seems like you're in a great spot to me.

[upper spear]

WASH YO ASS

[strange python]

I mean ass yeah

[balmy condor]

no shot this dude just posted "I don't wash my ass" to 130 thousand people

[eternal heath]

looks like you timed itt and were competitive, no worries

[strange python]

That was feet, and i was kinda joking

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-what-i-just-read-gif-20766315

[lofty junco]

he gonna have a big problem in prison then

[random plume]

it improves gameplay for sure

that and the gamer gunk in your keyboard

[eternal heath]

gamer gunk

fuck

[random plume]

[eternal heath]

beat me by like half a second lmao

[strange python]

bruh i own a cordless handheld vacuum for my keyboard lol

[random plume]

what about your ass

[upper spear]

cordless handheld ass

[forest notch]

Any sin rogues in here prefer outlaw over sin in keys? Does outlaw preform better with more or less targets? (If it even preforms better)

[strange python]

I mean the water from my hair and soap running down kinda handles that

[eternal heath]

https://tenor.com/view/inquiring-minds-want-to-know-gif-13574043

[mighty owl]

Spends more time cleaning his keyboard than his ass

[upper spear]

pretty sure Outlaw is just better 99% o the time, but who wants to play Outlaw

[eternal heath]

[lusty steeple]

Been trying to debug some of my rotational issues from raid fights and wondering if this is correct and been seeing some variations from early 10.2 openers/maintenance rules I’ve seen. Is there any glaring issues with this?
**Opener: **
* Prep: Garrote > SnD > Ambush > Rupture (4+) > Mutilate > Envenom (5+)
* Burst: Deathmark > Shiv > (Shadow Dance + Garrote) > (Kingsbane + Thistle) > Envenom (4+) … Shiv to maintain, Thistle 6s, Vanish 3s, Garote
**Maintenance: **
* Rupture/Garrote/Envenom uptime, try to maintain > 50% energy for SB, save 2x shiv for burst windows

[eternal heath]

sorry, we are talking about the other kind of ass atm fellas

[strange python]

yeah this is wrong already and i just got to Garrote > SnD

[eternal heath]

That looks very wrong overall

Check wowhead

[strange python]

And no, you are not dance +garrote before Kingsbane and using a tea there.

[eternal heath]

Well like 25% wrong

[strange python]

yeah just check the guide at wowhead

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[lofty junco]

question with like 7+ mobs. do ya guys just use garrote and rupture on the main targert, since it will always target mobs without it?

[upper spear]

bro you HAVE to scrub your skin. Your pores collect dirt, sweat, and god knows what else. If you dont scrub it wont release. There has to be some kind of pressure. You can just glide soap bubbles over it lol.

TL:DR smelling clean DOES NOT = clean

[strange python]

I'm probably gonna garrote > garrote > rupture > fok > rupture - and if i tab or not is like random based on feels.

40% of the time i just tab to a target with garrote on it anyway

[lofty junco]

b-b-b-but it doesn't increase dps

[plain onyx]

Garrote > Ambush > Rapture > Mutilate (or Ambush proc) > SnD > Mutilate > Envenom > Deathmark > Shiv > SD > KB > Vanish > Garotte > Envenom

[eternal heath]

tab target betrays me so hard

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[strange python]

Maybe my water pressure is better than most, i dunno.

[forest notch]

How much "better" we talking roughly you think? like <5% better or like significantly

[lofty junco]

jsut had stuff like this shity mini raptors in atal where trying to figure out who has garrote/rupture and who doesn't is a pointless task

[eternal heath]

dont vanish immediately

[hexed willow]

Outlaw doesn’t have iron wire

[upper spear]

uhh, idk off top of my head, at perfect performance i think it was like 20-30% more dps

[eternal heath]

vanish with 3s left on kb

[hexed willow]

Iron wire is bis

[strange python]

yeah i mean ideally you'd get 6 garrotes and 6 ruptures but...who's counting.

[lofty junco]

same

[eternal heath]

there you just let the BM and DH 1 shot the pack and watch

[strange python]

I thin it's important to stress the just under 3s though

[lofty junco]

at a point i just took the biggest HP target and did spam garrote+rupture on it with IC buff

[strange python]

yeah this is the way

[forest notch]

oh damm thats significant

guess ill have to learn outlaw too

[strange python]

i mean target count changes that though

[upper spear]

I ran a key with Instant Dollars last week. BM hunter. I "kept up" please smother me with praise.

[lofty junco]

no bm and DH. at least now i was able to play instead of just watch^^

[forest notch]

higher or lower target count?

[hexed willow]

Outlaw has a hard cap on targets

[waxen oyster]

i mean i'd rather play outlaw in atal just so i dont have to concern myself with fixates

[forest notch]

ahh

[waxen oyster]

dps loss

[strange python]

outlaw is capped yeah

[keen spruce]

Ain’t. No. Way.

[hexed willow]

Also 20% is a bs number

But they are higher on aoe

[forest notch]

what you mean?

[waxen oyster]

also depends if you have an aug in your group

or not

[waxen oyster]

if you vanish fixate rezan stops doing it

been a thing in bfa too

[strange python]

Sub will stonk at like 20-pull too...there are just differences between the specs. You gotta find one you love/enjoy to play...and make it work.

[lofty junco]

still have to figure out how to time my cd's

couldn't get a single burst into that skelleton t-rex cause he fixated me everytime

[strange python]

you just wait til he starts chasing right?

[forest notch]

ohh I was thinking the affix for some dumb reason

[strange python]

you can't vanish early

[keen spruce]

Just stand under rezan’s nutsack and let someone else deal with it

[waxen oyster]

yes

[hexed willow]

Hide under his ass and he’ll never target you

[forest notch]

outlaw has vanish for each one with its CDR I assume

[strange python]

you serious?

[waxen oyster]

in bfa vanish wasnt a dps cd

[hexed willow]

Yup

[waxen oyster]

so it was funnier

[strange python]

i never get targeted, and i'm always under his ass

[lofty junco]

rly?

[cedar hatch]

Optimaly how should i pick up branch balls?

[hexed willow]

I’ve never been targeted, he doesn’t target the closest one

[hexed willow]

1:1:4-9

[upper spear]

HUH

[strange python]

cast it with DM, pickup one in 1 sec, 1 sec, 7 sec.

[forest notch]

Im going to try this and instantly die and get yelled at 100% lol

[waxen oyster]

not for outlaw really

[keen spruce]

Always hide under rezan’s nutsack

He can’t fixate hit own taint

[upper spear]

oh OL ya, Assassin it was huge lol

[strange python]

i mean i do, he cleans his gooch

[hexed willow]

Wrong person 😛

[waxen oyster]

ok you were kinda trolling

[strange python]

sorry bro

[hexed willow]

Nah you’ll be ok

[waxen oyster]

playing sin in bfa keys

[upper spear]

nah

[forest notch]

Sin just so fun but if im losing like 20% dmg in M+ Ill have to learn outlaw for higher keys for sure

[storm hedge]

Guys around 465 ilvl what's your dps in m+? Just had a 130k fall 19 and 170k brh 19 and feel bad. I want to know how much room for improvement do I have

[hard gazelle]

Imagine someone coming into the channel, not knowing about Witherbark’s Branch. This would be a statement.

[hexed willow]

@strange python apology not accepted, you owe me one heroic nick of time 😭

[upper spear]

triple fan Azerite power

ez

[strange python]

[thorn fjord]

@keen spruce got branch today and now its given me more work -__-

[waxen oyster]

yeah no

[keen spruce]

Okay but that 20% number was completely BS and in true

Untrue

[hexed willow]

Or just stand there and let them all hit and lose 0.5% damage

[waxen oyster]

unless you were doing that on first pack of tol dagor

[thorn fjord]

Since i was running ashes it kinda fucks me to use it until i get some other pieces

[waxen oyster]

then spec swapping after the pull

[thorn fjord]

I mean more work with my gear

[strange python]

sin / outlaw is gonna excel on different packs honestly. But at the end of the day, i'd bet their numbers are fairly similar. I don't think that either is ahead by 20-30% over the other.

[lofty junco]

btw how do u get this now? did a few m+ today but never got anything to craft crests

[keen spruce]

Once I get ashes I’ll probably test it out and see how it feels

Branch takes a little getting used to but it’s pretty okay to use

[thorn fjord]

You dont really feel the debuf

[indigo oyster]

Man Spiteful is ass for assa

[forest notch]

has no one done a real "approximation" of this then?

[thorn fjord]

But i took it yesterday and now the vault choise was a waste

[forest notch]

Im curious with like 2 optimal players no aug

[tropic tundra]

The enchant vendor sells the ingredient in valdrakken floor 1

[storm hedge]

you buy it for 60 aspect crests.

[waxen oyster]

gonna vary on your group

[keen spruce]

It’s about 1 key level at most

And that’s debatable

[upper spear]

dont take 20% ltierally, "idk off the top of my head" but yah Outlaw is higher.

[strange python]

But it's not - ie. a target that you can dm/kb on ... sin is gonna smash that pack.

[waxen oyster]

iron wire is nice in pugs with 2 casters

because let's be real ranged dps dont have kick bound

[tropic tundra]

lmao

[strange python]

For just like STOMPING through a +10, yeah outlaw is gonna be higher i bet.

[upper spear]

but then you're down, OL doesnt ever stop going if played right

[hexed willow]

Iron wire and then reapplying it 12s later is wild

[royal lantern]

pugs dont have kicks bound

[hexed willow]

Fucking love the silence

[strange python]

Do you even play sin in keys?

[forest notch]

like if Sin does X dmg in a 20 then outlaw will do that in 21? Sorry dont fully understand how to evaluate what you mean here.

[strange python]

I've done like 900k to a pack lol

[waxen oyster]

dhs when kick literally gave resources

and still dont kick

[half dawn]

DH brain

what do you expect

[tropic tundra]

Well thats now a talent

[hexed willow]

Since when does sin have to stop

[upper spear]

2700 sin this season

[waxen oyster]

yeah i meant when it was baseline

[tropic tundra]

But not kicking is still troll

[keen spruce]

I mean there’s WAY too many variables to just give a number about how much damage a spec is doing

[strange python]

then you know lol

[tropic tundra]

Yeah

[forest notch]

Ya this ive noticed as ive learned. Def need packs where I can get off a full KB/DM on before it dies

[upper spear]

yeah i hit a 1.4m oepner on a pick

[forest notch]

and dmg just jumpsss

[keen spruce]

You’re going to play differently with an Assas rogue vs an outlaw rogue

[upper spear]

but OL woulda been higher

[keen spruce]

As far as what packs and what not

[strange python]

Not if I was playing the outlaw

[tropic tundra]

Also outlaw better boss damage in keys?

[keen spruce]

OL is not going to burst higher than Assas

That crazy talk

[forest notch]

No I understand that but there must be some ways to approximate or people would just be like play w/e, play sub, etc

I know its not perfect

[waxen oyster]

likely depends on what boss

[tropic tundra]

Idk them getting lucky with that stupid gun they have infinite dam

[royal lantern]

i expect the ussual pug dh vengefull retrat into the range of another trashpack causing a wipe

or in raids dashing trought nymue walls and getting 3 stacks all the time, and complaining about healing

[waxen oyster]

also if you have a pocket PI

[royal lantern]

[upper spear]

overall, one pack burst doesnt matter

[south wing]

people just don’t wanna help with shades

[half dawn]

realistic expectations. POG

[royal lantern]

i mean, what help do you want

[tropic tundra]

Havoc and bm is def the worst bc they just have stupidly big numbers

[keen spruce]

When I say one key level I mean that right now, Ol rogues are doing keys about 1 level higher than Assas

[royal lantern]

you have crippling

[strange python]

oh well, you guys got me feelin dirty, gona go scrub my gooch

[royal lantern]

FoK once and they are slowed

[forest notch]

ahh ok

[south wing]

I want them to die so I can restealth

[keen spruce]

But that’s not really a damage metric

[waxen oyster]

as the other 2 specs just kill them for more cdr

[tropic tundra]

Do they have better survival

[forest notch]

but as you said this could be related to comp too, what people prefer, previous expereince from S2 etc. So take with grain of salt I assume

[royal lantern]

die irl, problem solved

[keen spruce]

It has to do with other stuff too like tank ones, utility, damage profile, comfort levels, popularity

[royal lantern]

[tropic tundra]

Never actually did outlaw s3

[waxen oyster]

outlaw is tankier yes

you stack vers

[keen spruce]

Yeah Ol always more popular than Assas

[tropic tundra]

Ah

[upper spear]

can we all jsut agree scrubbing your ass is a dps increase

[waxen oyster]

and the pistol shot target does 5% less damage to you

[royal lantern]

not always

the big outlaw boom was 8.1 BfA

[forest notch]

objectively is OL easier or harder to play?

[south wing]

???

[royal lantern]

before that outlaw was even on the unpoplar side

[royal lantern]

really really shity "joke"

sorry

[tropic tundra]

t a r g e t c a p p e d

[waxen oyster]

peak of outlaw popularity was bfa s2/3 when you could run 2/3 in a comp

[royal lantern]

yes, that was 8.1

[waxen oyster]

then s4 you became a gouge bot

for the stupid mastery fire mage

[south wing]

me opening from natural stealth 4 times in one dungeon makes me want to die irl

[tropic tundra]

Mages were still not happy that season

[final star]

caustic attributing to augs now

[waxen oyster]

mages are never happy

main character syndrome

[keen spruce]

not really an objective answer. and I don't really play OL so i can't give much input there

[tropic tundra]

“Man i have to farm s3 trinket”(it was the historically most broken one)

[indigo heath]

So is there a reason my rogue is simming 30k higher in outlaw than ass when I have better gear itemization for ass?

[forest notch]

Well if I can just stay Sin for everything that would be great, curious to see what nerfs rogues will get

but I want to push for title this season on my dragon or rogue or both

[tropic tundra]

Idk, i always sim lower with assa vs sub too

[keen spruce]

you can definitely just stay sin for everything

[forest notch]

so I need to really pick what will work best

[keen spruce]

unless we get an orbital laser nerf on the 5th

which is unlikely