assassination

[royal lantern]

you are a outlaw now

https://tenor.com/view/point-gun-shoot-bang-bang-crying-scared-gif-15272562

[potent raft]

which one is the best branch WA?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-no-no-god-please-no-gif-25861594

[grim jay]

Lowii's

[potent raft]

ty

[slate crown]

!wa I’m a bit biased but my profile below has one I use

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[median solar]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[spice spire]

Real

[noble pine]

hey guys i have a question why do some assa rogues have double sopihc devo on wepaons some have double wafting and some one sopihc one wafting ?

is there a better one

[final trench]

Is it a better to be a night elf or dwarf rogue?

Can't seem to find a good answer.

[royal lantern]

doesnt matter lmao

[royal lantern]

sims different for peeps

[summer mica]

Sim it

[dusty phoenix]

wafting is shit for sub so if u multispec sophic is better

generally wafting will sim a bit better for sin

[royal lantern]

double wafting tends to be the "raid enchants", but can do different stuff+playing other specs

just sim

[noble pine]

where can i sim different enchants

[royal lantern]

answer for 99% of gear related questions

topgear

[final trench]

Raid bots

[summer mica]

Raidbot

[spice spire]

Better is relative.
Both have unique utility. And both are within 0.5% of each other

[summer mica]

Just put both enchants in and tick the box that says replace gems and enchant

[spice spire]

It’s not like you’re doing vulpera

[eternal heath]

quake dont be a hater

[noble pine]

ok ty guys

[spice spire]

Vulpera sims like 1% worse

It’s objectively worse

[manic rock]

be Human

[final trench]

Thank you. I'm a dwarf but thinking ab swapping for another stealth

[spice spire]

Passive is nice

[eternal heath]

I like the voices of vulpera tbh

Not as annoying when I get told I am out of range 700 times

[summer mica]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-898242961730413211

[grim jay]

Swapping for night elf stealth is the #1 disappointing race change for rogues

[eternal heath]

Does meld count as proper stealth?

With how my tanks pull, it would almost feel worth it

[summer mica]

You dont like using 2 globals to stealth

[final trench]

This was my thought

[jolly turtle]

its also ironwire which is nice tho

[eternal heath]

Stuck in combat for the entire first platform of Rise

[grim jay]

You need to stealth after meld

[eternal heath]

Oh weird

[grim jay]

And sometimes you cant even if you meld

[eternal heath]

Sounds unworth

My rogue is maghar anyway

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

Never wanna miss the stun removal of human

[manic rock]

It's so good

[eternal heath]

Female maghar orc model is really solid for armor

[spice spire]

Yeah humans also very good numerically rn

So is female BE

[grim jay]

Its always solid

[eternal heath]

This how we lookin

[mint kindle]

Is it normal that the build for council (raid) without crimson tempest sims better for me than the hybrid one

[thorny pond]

CT is just hard to get full value from on that fight. Most people are dropping dashing for IC

[slim hamlet]

zombie belf only way to go

[thorny pond]

and calling it a day

[eternal heath]

Oo that is a solid look

[spice spire]

Gz bozo get log watched

[slim hamlet]

When is hybrid ever worth taking

I can't find any time where it sims better

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[thorny pond]

Hybrid is consistently simming higher for me in ST and dslice compared to AP M+

albeit I am 477 but it simmed that way since around 460

[slim hamlet]

It is not simming higher in 40 sec aoe, dungeon slice nor ST for me

and it's not even rly close

[spice spire]

Nice blue in heroic

[slim hamlet]

Alright listen here bozo

I just got my branch

first timing fyrakk

[thorny pond]

Yea friend idk what to yell you

[slim hamlet]

didn't go well ok

[spice spire]

Krill issue tbh

[thorny pond]

fugg it keeping yell

[slim hamlet]

It is

[eternal heath]

Timing branch on smold feels rough lmao

[slim hamlet]

I will make it better tonight

[spice spire]

You’ll get better

[thorny pond]

Oxi, I 69 parsed

[grim jay]

Krill

[slim hamlet]

I am wonderinf if I even cba using branch on smolderon

[spice spire]

But nice 90 on first mythic kill

[slim hamlet]

thx :))

That was my 2nd boss after branch

I learned

[thorny pond]

Ashes for prog

Branch for bozos

[eternal heath]

My smold parse has already dropped by 3 since last night

[spice spire]

I was going to say your first branch

[eternal heath]

[spice spire]

I’m sorry

I won’t clown

[slim hamlet]

huh

I am too dumb to understand the clown anyways

[eternal heath]

My average is no longer nice

[spice spire]

Igira parse

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[spice spire]

Next time

[slim hamlet]

I inted myself on igira and gnarlroot to not wipe

This week for sure I wont have to

[thorny pond]

Our Fury warrior held CDs for spears only

[spice spire]

ABG

[thorny pond]

then bragged he did more damage

[eternal heath]

kek\

[spice spire]

Always be greeding

[thorny pond]

like cool bozo

[eternal heath]

I forgot to change to spatter for igira

[spice spire]

0 damage mattered

[eternal heath]

Feels like spears die too fast anyway

[thorny pond]

I did 2nd most spear damage and never targeted them once

[slim hamlet]

idk on mythic i cba wiping to not soaking shit for uptime

on heroic however its a healer issue

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[spice spire]

Amen

[royal lantern]

still doing more then 99% of this channels users that think they need too pay 15bucks for 0,2% sim dps

[eternal heath]

Tyran did you receive nicholas yet

[spice spire]

It wasn’t a stray for you

[thorny pond]

I'd pay $20 for gold to resocket and chant all my gear for a fever dream of 20 DPS

[slim hamlet]

The only thing I would ever switch to is dwarf for the utility

[royal lantern]

is this a DN joke im too stupid too understand

[spice spire]

Fuck next time I’ll say zandalari troll

[grim jay]

Im washed

Also no aug

[slim hamlet]

Aint no way I am spending money for super small % increase and look worse

[eternal heath]

Nah, you were like 60 runs deep for Nick of Time right?

[royal lantern]

oh

ye

[spice spire]

Nicholas of Timothy

[royal lantern]

#54 dropped one

[eternal heath]

Hell yeah

[royal lantern]

im not doing a 2nd

[grim jay]

Nichole fulltime

[ivory bay]

!fuu

[thorny pond]

@spice spire MW and rogue are meta, what do

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[eternal heath]

I got a champ one my like 3rd run of the dungeon. Managed to get a 480 from vault this week and not sure I care enough to farm an OH

But at the same time, dont like having only 476 OH

[midnight atlas]

even sims tell me i got too much crit kekw

[eternal heath]

At this point, I am basically running for io. There is no specific piece that gives a huge increase. Most 483 items are like a 2k increase

[slim hamlet]

My highest stat is vers by 1000 before the 2nd highest

Which is crit

[eternal heath]

that is so much lol

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[eternal heath]

I think sims actually want me to get more vers/haste atm

[midnight atlas]

blame the jewelry with 1k+ crit

[slim hamlet]

Yea it prefered the vers neck rather than haste neck in the vault

[spice spire]

Okay what you want

Play*

[slim hamlet]

Even tho it now wants me to full haste gem

[eternal heath]

I believe it was telling me to go with BRH legs

Those were like 2.4k dps at 483 vs 2k on the AD legs

[midnight atlas]

sim telling me to stack some vers items as well. i hope they dont lie

[slim hamlet]

sims never lie

[eternal heath]

Gonna run droptimizer on 483 from dungos

[slim hamlet]

Just did and it is definitely trying to get me off some vers now

[grim jay]

Laughs in fragment

[slim hamlet]

oh yea

Sims never lie unless they do

[midnight atlas]

i mean they are not programmed to lie, but they can make mistakes. usually those are caught quick

[gusty mirage]

Too soon

[slim hamlet]

Then krill issue

[glass junco]

playing assa with spiteful is so frustrating

bruh i cant restealth

so annoying

[gusty mirage]

What if I told you restealths aren’t a big deal

[midnight atlas]

inb4 someone links the whispyr video where he talks 30 mins why restealth is not mandatory

[gusty mirage]

Would it still be annoying

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[strange python]

i'm a crittin fool

[slim hamlet]

It could be a .1% dps increase

[glass junco]

No, i know, i have seen the video

[slim hamlet]

And it would be annoying

[glass junco]

but like its extremely annoying

[strange python]

I can still get like 20% crit on my KB's though

[gusty mirage]

As annoying as you?

[slim hamlet]

Hmm

[strange python]

[gusty mirage]

[glass junco]

cause it feels so disruptive

[slim hamlet]

Depends on whose point of view

I feel like spiteful is a dps increase for specifically assassination

[strange python]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[slim hamlet]

Actually keep getting CP with fok

[gusty mirage]

I feel like you smell

How about that

[strange python]

Does that take into account IC spread?

[slim hamlet]

U can run hybrid

double util poison

never hits u

You can pad super hard with CT

all around great

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-smol-small-ragey-gif-26398063

[gusty mirage]

[dawn anchor]

I was wondering if CT and Sudden Demise would just nuke Spiteful last night.

[slim hamlet]

Shadow dance really saved my opinion on spiteful

Would me madge without

[frigid maple]

Can take mythic larodar ring, 1.6k increase but i feel like crafted ring will just be better right?

[midnight atlas]

sudden demise is worse as the keys get higher. some ppl dont play it, i've seen it on rio. im talking 24+

[subtle tundra]

[slim hamlet]

Wrong

[strange python]

What makes it worse?

[midnight atlas]

simcraft >>> feelcraft

[subtle tundra]

You saw zerocool

[slim hamlet]

No no multiple people do it

But not because of that

[eternal heath]

Man, I do not want to get my boots recrafted at this point

Mfs trying to charge 20k

[grim jay]

Dang must be true then

[glass junco]

very wrong, feelcraft above all

[mortal quiver]

At what item lvl should I move from using toxic armor to a different embellishment

[strange python]

no, first comes transmog

[slim hamlet]

They do it 1. Because of bursting, and 2. Because current season high level tyran keys you just need to do ST dmg, every timer besides rise is free af, you just need to survive

[midnight atlas]

mobs have more hp, sudden demise execute procs later

[strange python]

so?

It's percentage based

[slim hamlet]

Legit no sane person is running no demise on a non bursting, non tyran week

[grim jay]

What kind of question is that

[eternal heath]

I believe the answer is never

[slim hamlet]

You do realise that that part of sudden demise barely matters, and also that that makes no sense. It still dies at same hp as before

[grim jay]

Whispyr will wake up and wish he didnt wake up

[slim hamlet]

It is really just this ^

[mortal quiver]

K was curious cuz of the wow head guide said at higher gear lvl silken thread might be better

[slim hamlet]

People getting baited wayyyy too much by top sin rogues on leaderboard rigth now

it's crazy

[eternal heath]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xhwmoLcFS3tp67qhBdSMTW

I am apparently hongry for some vers lol

[gusty mirage]

How is this different than any other day?

[eternal heath]

Felt

[slim hamlet]

double nick, branch and sandglass

[eternal heath]

I am a lucky boi

Big indestructible nick from vault this week

[gusty mirage]

Didn’t you get a Nick in your vault?

[slim hamlet]

First week yes 🙂

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[eternal heath]

Branch was from a double branch drop in EB where the hunter didnt need theirs

[gusty mirage]

You’re not allowed to bitch about loot bucko

[slim hamlet]

Some people need to be good, for others to be bad

you know

[midnight atlas]

bro im getting so much cognitive dissonance with this spec ffs. some people tell me some things, others tell me the opposite.

[gusty mirage]

Sorry can’t hear you from smolderon prog nerd

[slim hamlet]

Damn

Got me there

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

I guess at this point its just about the intensity

[gusty mirage]

I can’t wait to enter tswift prison

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[gusty mirage]

So I can want to consider drinking bleach every night

[glass junco]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-22-cat-22-gif-1269004317513322794

[gusty mirage]

It’s gonna be lit

[slim hamlet]

I am intentionally sandbagging to not have to do tswift before nerfs

trust

[gusty mirage]

Surely

[eternal heath]

Since full 483s seems a little unfeasible for a couple weeks due to crest cap, I feel like I'm best just worrying about io for now lol

[slim hamlet]

yap

I got +4 ilvls with a necklace in vault today

[eternal heath]

I'm also afraid to look at my smoldy breakdown on parse because my downtime is probably insane

[slim hamlet]

Sat on 437 got 489

20k hp holy

[eternal heath]

Oh wow lol

[jaunty ginkgo]

Do active abilities i.e. Envenom and Rupture trigger Deadly Poison or just autos?

[slim hamlet]

They do

[weak crescent]

wdy guys suggest

[eternal heath]

Simsim

[slim hamlet]

U can also get double poison procs with mutilate as it is attacking with both weapons

[gusty mirage]

Tears, double cloak is depresso

[slim hamlet]

or 4 procs with DTB and 8 during dm afaik

pretty pogchampers

[grim jay]

Id take ring so I can put on a socket next vault because lootluck

[weak crescent]

ayy i could go with that xD

[gusty mirage]

Sometimes the value from vault is free upgrades

[eternal heath]

Huh, my active % is 99.6 for smold. Does wiggling in place waiting for pool bait count?

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn’t know any other value

[sweet dawn]

The exact things I got in my dungeon vault too

[grim jay]

Despair

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay, surely I won’t get 3 useless vaults in a row

SURELY

[oak tangle]

so many sockets, lariat will be back in meta

[eternal heath]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v1rQLy28CdRW3hfG#fight=67&type=damage-done

[unique sorrel]

[eternal heath]

I dont even wanna look at my kb graph

[unique sorrel]

I’ve gotten a 483 eggshell twice

[eternal heath]

Partially because I don't recall how to find the one you guys normally show

[grim jay]

Rip brother

[topaz horizon]

Don’t forget to rp walk to the vault, 10% luck

[eternal heath]

I'm here but I know you guys normally have a squared view of the graph https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v1rQLy28CdRW3hfG#fight=67&type=damage-done&source=4&ability=385627

[manic rock]

sounds like you should have 2 sockets

[unique sorrel]

I took a myth track tier catalyst this week

But last week I ripped the trinket cause it let me upgrade for free

Be like that sometimes

[north tinsel]

Anyone free for log analysis?

[faint path]

Guys 2x wafting or 1x wafting 1x sophic?

[eternal heath]

Whatever sim says

[slim hamlet]

simnation

[faint path]

oki

[slim hamlet]

wafting usually better with more gear

[eternal heath]

Hopefully I can parse a bit better next week. Would love to hit even a single 90

[slim hamlet]

but just sim

[eternal heath]

Think my igira was 89 last night but its already dropped by 5 since then 🫠

Actually decent rogues just piling through

[lavish wing]

is it worth going Spatter on igira

how close the spears have to be

[eternal heath]

10yds from boss

I believe, unless it was 12

[unique sorrel]

It’s a lotta dam, I’d go it

Long as people are doing the proper spear stacking

[strange python]

In my experience, if there's anything to hit, ever...it's worth it

[lavish wing]

our 4pc burst also reaches it?

[faint path]

It says 2x sophic lol

[eternal heath]

There you go

[glossy grove]

is there something we need from timewalking dung this week?

[faint path]

Meh Im gonna keep 1x wafting I feel lack of energy sometimes

[unique sorrel]

Tier felt like it wasn’t splashing as hard, but it also goes into spatter anyway so whatever

[oak tangle]

y'all must be in groups who stack

[unique sorrel]

Gotta stack em for mythic

[north tinsel]

H but mine

[strange python]

I mean that's still better than IB

[eternal heath]

Yeah I def need to go spatter next time

[tender cedar]

guys how is hourglas for assa?

could take it myth lvl

[hexed willow]

How do we do our timings around Smolderon?

[eternal heath]

Cry

[unique sorrel]

It’s one of your better passive options, best passive option from m+

As always, sim

[manic rock]

I went spatter, it was unimpressive, but I haven't seen what IB would've done

[eternal heath]

I have yet to see pips drop

[manic rock]

spears don't last long enough

[tender cedar]

i have pip nhc and got hourglas and pip hc in vault 😄

[grim jay]

Probably like half of spatter

[eternal heath]

My ib did just under 1m damage

[manic rock]

my xp from heroic tho, so they probably last longer in mythic

[strange python]

I mean it doesn't have to be very impressive to be better than IB

You basically play like neither exists

so just take spatter

[eternal heath]

My warrior got regular pips from vault

Was debating trying out green rogue because I like some of their mogs

But feel like I would hate the playstyle

[strange python]

green rogue?

[north tinsel]

hunter?

[eternal heath]

ww

[north tinsel]

Oh

[topaz horizon]

Never heard of her

[eternal heath]

Basically lol

Feel like if I go arms warrior, least I can turn my brain off and play

[slim hamlet]

I saw someone talk about this earlier

When something is dealing shadowflame dmg for example

Does a shield that blocks fire also stop it?

If the person talking about is it still here

[strange python]

I think that's the point of shadowflame damage iirc

to not be affected by things that affect fire

[strong wing]

What build should we use since there's shades this week

m+

[slim hamlet]

Why the frick does this neck exist if thats the case

[oak tangle]

i thought it was the opposite, where it was affected by both

[slim hamlet]

specifically blockign fire but everything is shadowflame

madge

[tranquil cobalt]

What would be the main reason I am not maximizing my deathmark Kings bane windows

[slim hamlet]

I couldn't remember if it was, it affected both or neither

[oak tangle]

there was a whole thing about the cosmic beacon and how cosmic damage is all types

[slim hamlet]

I guess I can just test it later tonight

[oak tangle]

i remember something in here about there being bugs in testing with shiv or something

wait, it was the tier 4pc, and it buffing beacon

[slim hamlet]

[grim jay]

The same as always

[slim hamlet]

I will go hybrid for a bit

Feel it out

[oak tangle]

i tried hybrid, i had no energy

[manic rock]

tindral/smold are fire, no?

[oak tangle]

no bueno

[slim hamlet]

Dashing also gaining a tiny bit of value with spiteful

[strong wing]

Not being able to restealth

[strange python]

yeah you could be right

[strong wing]

Is super painfull

[slim hamlet]

Yea ok I didn't mean literally everything

[violet trench]

In what slots do we want tier?

[slim hamlet]

everything besides legs if you can choose

[gusty mirage]

In whatever slots you can get

[oak tangle]

any, but legs are worst apparently

[strange python]

Is there a way to get dashing scoundrel in the arterial build?

I was messing with it earlier

but didn't seem possible

[slim hamlet]

it would cost 3 points

just for that

so no

[violet trench]

Thanks!

[strange python]

yeah seems like it'd feel so good to have

[slim hamlet]

idk dashing after nerf is kinda whatever imo

[strange python]

although i dont notice any energy problems, especially in fort weeks

[oak tangle]

you'd just be going hybrid then

[strong wing]

wdym for a bit

which talents would yo change

[strange python]

I gotta import the new hybrid build into the game to replace my old one

[oak tangle]

new bybrid?

[strange python]

yeah it didn't used to take SD right?

[oak tangle]

que

[royal lantern]

its dual dmg, all dual dmg workss the same: if something reduces 1 type of dmg, you just take the other dmg type instead

in case of shadowflame, its just shadow dmg, when something does radiant dmg and you somehow reduce/immune holy dmg, you take fire instead etc....

[grand dune]

yo guys i have a question is crimson tempest really worth it ? since i see on guides that you use it at end of rotation usually ?

[rugged grail]

just asking, u guys aswell feel assa is very strong in m+ ? ok u have less ''constant'' damage compare to outlaw, but is the loss worth as we have bigger burst on prio target ? i mean for pushing high keys obsviously cause in lower keys mobs dies instantly u cant ramp as assa so outlaw is better

[strange python]

I might have a messed up hybrid build imported in the game then. I probably messed with it - if it's always had sudden demise.

[slim hamlet]

I will try it

I have been playing arterial on 60/70 of my dungeons

or more

[regal cedar]

Is there a way to macro so when Shadow Dance is on CD, it uses Vanish?

[midnight atlas]

depleted atal dazar with hybrid. poison bomb cluttered spider spawn at last boss

[strong wing]

I see

[slim hamlet]

I wish poison bomb was like always lowest priority for that

[strong wing]

when does assa starts getting value? +24 ahead?

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

cant see sanguine or swirlies on last adds before last boss black rook either

dogshit

[slim hamlet]

+18 you wont be sad

[slim hamlet]

And this guy was mad at me for getting nick

[midnight atlas]

yeah. cba with hybrid spec for me because of that.

[slim hamlet]

smh

[rugged grail]

just asking, u guys aswell feel assa is very strong in m+ ? ok u have less ''constant'' damage compare to outlaw, but is the loss worth as we have bigger burst on prio target ? i mean for pushing high keys obsviously cause in lower keys mobs dies instantly u cant ramp as assa so outlaw is better******

i mean i dont want to miss or pass on any good outlaw gear

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[slim hamlet]

idk what u are asking

[elfin haven]

What ilvl? Build?

I'm 471 with issues non stop this week

[slim hamlet]

yes sin is good in keys

[burnt shard]

hai wanna ask something as a 3100 io outlaw player who's trying to figure out assa in keys. Even in 24 forti keys usually my Deathmark target dies way faster. Like 4-5 secs left on kingbane dot, is it wise to hold deathmark for 2nd pack for example

[slim hamlet]

U can never have energy issues on aoe

[manic rock]

😦 such is life

[oak tangle]

as a sample size of 1, i did more dps on a atal 17 where there was a 481 nuking mobs from orbit with the AP build than an 18 Atal where i had time to ramp with hybrid ~160k in both, but 3k more in the 17

[strange python]

arterial - 472/473?

[slim hamlet]

and u should not have as many issues on ST on fortified as tyran

[manic rock]

are you running with DH? It's the worse feeling

[strange python]

Like on bosses, I dont even pay attention to my energy half the time, i'm just sending.

[rugged grail]

i think when u play assa in keys, u need to speak a lot with ur teammates so u dont full send on a target with other teammates cdds

[strange python]

Crit doesn't affect energy regen right - other than dashing. Because my crit went up a lot (i'm at like 44%)

[slim hamlet]

Many are using DM and KB on 2 different targets even tho it sounds cursed because of this

[burnt shard]

yeah, it's literally so stupid haha my only solve to this problem is holding deathmark literally

[slim hamlet]

Even on 25 the mob just insta dies if u use kb and dm on it

[burnt shard]

yeah that sounds good aswell..

[grand dune]

is crimson tempest really worth it compared to arterial ? since i see on guides that you use it at end of rotation usually ?

[slim hamlet]

Depends on the pull

[manic rock]

Yeah, that's what I've been doing

[elfin haven]

Arterial from where. There are 100s of that name

[strange python]

Some dungeons just have great prio targets - and some don't

[burnt shard]

yup literally so annoying, i can't deal my damage even in 24-25 keys and + with forti, kinda insane ngl

[manic rock]

And if there's no high health target it's horrible feeling too

[strange python]

whispyr's guide is the only thing i trust, on wowhead

[grim jay]

Just use both

[burnt shard]

i really enjoy assa btw that's my only issue atm

[slim hamlet]

Everbloom first half dogshit

everbloon 2nd half

poggies

[strange python]

lol gnarlroot is the only target that feels good to fight there

[burnt shard]

true! abominations lives forever haha so that i can do my dam

[slim hamlet]

Yea until u get to abominations

that dungeon is so bad

[manic rock]

if your group pulls the right with the first packs on left side of EB

[grand dune]

how ?

[manic rock]

then you're a little good to send

[slim hamlet]

and if u oneshot the mages u are not even mad

[fallen forge]

i just did an eb 17 and this gigachad tank only dropped combat once in the entire key

which i respect

[strange python]

lol this is like every key i'm in this week so

[grim jay]

With the arterial m+ build

[fallen forge]

but sending meld and vanish on cd for bleeds is hella annoying lmao

[slim hamlet]

Everbloom is probably the best possible dungeon for no restealths

[burnt shard]

i really wish kingsbane dot deal it's damage little bit faster ngl

[strange python]

meh at least spiteful will be out of the way

[slim hamlet]

iron wire is so useless for that dungeon

[strange python]

So what you want is Sepsis

[fervent marsh]

guys can you help me a littlebit? How can we be good if assasination best rio zerocool char sim less then the best rio Dh in Singletarget?

[slim hamlet]

[grim jay]

Thats like

[slim hamlet]

Dont get baited

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/they-seeme-trollin-troll-hater-meme-gif-11910196

[slim hamlet]

people

[grim jay]

Not remotely close

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-shocked-seriously-omg-tremors3-gif-22329296

[strange python]

It's literally kingsbane but reversed

[fervent marsh]

so its some missleading thing?

[strange python]

and the tuning sucks, comparitively

[grim jay]

It literally doesnt have the part that defines kingsbane

[slim hamlet]

What about sepsis is comparable to KB

[flint tusk]

I love people who take the exception and make it the rule

[slim hamlet]

besides both cd that does nature dmg

[strange python]

well yeah - that's what CAUSES kingsbane to do what you say you don't like about it - deal tthe dmg at the end lol.

[grim jay]

The only things in common are that both are a dot and both deal their biggest hit at the end

[slim hamlet]

Besides the fact that sepsis does 0 dmg

sepsis is an imp garrote applier

[strange python]

If the KB talent was a choice between KB and (an equally tuned) Sepsis. I'd take Sepsis.

[slim hamlet]

Alright

You live in your own world

I don't want to join

[strange python]

like say a GREAT KB was like 10% ahead, but a shitty one was 10% behind. I'd just take Sepsis and call it a day.

[hexed willow]

Sepsis is awful

[strange python]

duh

[gusty mirage]

you're awful

don't you talk shit about sepsis

[strange python]

It just needs tuned lol

[grim jay]

Bro like 1/3 of sepsis damage is the last hit

[gusty mirage]

without needing to stick to your sepsis target

[strange python]

mmm yeah i love it

[slim hamlet]

Sepsis was only good because it was the only thing you had to think about ever in 10.1 sin

[gusty mirage]

[midnight atlas]

sepsis

[slim hamlet]

No exsang no sepsis sin

actually headsmashing

[dark token]

Sepsis is shit compared to KB shat

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[dark token]

This is the most fun sin iteration since 8.0, probably ever

[burnt shard]

i love my stepsis

oh wait

[strange python]

she stuck?

[gusty mirage]

since 8.0 eh

[grim jay]

Thats probably why it deals shit dmg

[gusty mirage]

no it deals shit damage because it was copied over from shadowlands without the conduit

the conduit made it crank

[real solar]

oxi

[gusty mirage]

hi

[fierce pebble]

Has anyone simmed the 450 ilvl time walking ring from court of stars yet to see if it sims better than higher rings?

[real solar]

hi

[slim hamlet]

dn conduit was so fucking op

[strange python]

#outlaw

[slim hamlet]

Wish we got it this rework

[slim hamlet]

huh

[strange python]

They do weird stuff like sim ilvl 400 rings and find 0.1% dps increases

[slim hamlet]

wasn't it bis for everyone last time there were legion timewalking

[grim jay]

Yeah no way they would just give you a fire and forget ability with as much dmg as KB either way

[strange python]

i mean probably when it was a competitive ilvl

[manic rock]

can you change an acct to a diff region or do a need to make another acct?

[dark token]

Wait is there legion m+ timewalking again

[gusty mirage]

you'd need another account

[dark token]

Or they got rid of that

[gusty mirage]

no, regular timewalking

[dark token]

And to buy wow again :))

[gusty mirage]

so you get to wipe to heroic mechanics because no one remembers them

[slim hamlet]

raidbots is dying today

[bleak ivy]

wym normal timewalking

[strange python]

why do your things go up so high lol

[slim hamlet]

the ring just flew around my screen

[manic rock]

=\ 300ms is a bit rough

[gusty mirage]

I told them to shadowban you

[slim hamlet]

me with 2x 470 ilvl rings

[real solar]

u can solo each boss in legion timewalking u noob

[gusty mirage]

no I can't

[midnight atlas]

mobs in emerald dream ar harder than tw legion dungeons

[dark token]

If you have enough gear to solo legion tw dungeons

[real solar]

smh

[dark token]

You don't need legion tw dungeons

[gusty mirage]

imagine queuing for timewalking

who hurt you people

[strange python]

lol that reward was like a normal or LFR ilvl piece of gear

i was like nah

[fallen forge]

i would rather be benched than queue for timewalking

[strange python]

why isn't the reward just heroic

i'd at least do it then

[gusty mirage]

cause that's for running mythic dungeons/m+

[lethal vector]

it sims better than pips for me. its really good

[real solar]

i’m still trying to get ashes 😦

[white lance]

im a pug andy with no tier, ill take anything i can get

[lavish wing]

isnt this whole exp kinda timewalking

[gusty mirage]

just loot it off heroic smolderon week 1

[strange python]

you have 0p?

[gusty mirage]

what's the issue here

[real solar]

got it on my alt rogue and not main 🥲

[white lance]

ye, no armor from vault 2 weeks in a row

[strange python]

At least you're not a blue parsing pilled parry, like me.

[royal lantern]

unpopular opinion inc: nope, not imo, i really dont like how extremely burst heavy the spec is rn, and everything beeing around 1 ability

if i want big burst with a single ability and bettwen that the dmg is kinda w/e , i would play sub

[real solar]

my main rogue is pve geared and crafts but i pvp on it

my alt rogue is pvp geared but has bis trinkets

[lavish wing]

ashes seem better in practice than branch

[real solar]

🥲🥲

[gusty mirage]

I also dislike assassination in raid rn

you're not alone brother

🤝

[strange python]

Skill issue

[vestal cliff]

Do u guys play the hybrid or the zoldyk build in m+?

[strange python]

oh dude you're not alone

EVERYTHING revolves around KB

EVERYTHING

[hexed willow]

It’s wonderful

[gusty mirage]

yeah cause we do no damage outside of kb

[lavish wing]

u get to do mechanics

[hexed willow]

Revolving around a 1m ability is so much better than a 2-3m ability

[gusty mirage]

this was kinda cool

ANY ROOTS PADDERS?

[strange python]

I mean its ONLY saving grace is it's a 1M cd but still without DM and trinket it's just not even nearly as good anyway

[real solar]

Not padding if they have to die

[lavish wing]

im not locked in with roots, roots r locked in with me

[gusty mirage]

okay @real solar ily I gotta go pick up heavy things and put them back down

love you king

xoxo

[real solar]

BAI ILY

XOXO

[vestal cliff]

Which build u guys play in m+?

[lavish wing]

HO

[vestal cliff]

whats that XD

[lavish wing]

Hidden Op

[royal lantern]

would not say dislike

its just.....too much kingsbane, i like kingsbane, but not when every single thing i do is "what is the maximum kingsbane cheese possible"

• beeing a external spec makes it extra bad, externals ruin EVERYTHING

just delete externals allready

jesus christ

[strange python]

nah they'll nerf sin instead

[torn atlas]

My raid group just PIs the DH so I don't even get the juice anyway.

[wind saffron]

Maybe just go outlaw in that case

[torn atlas]

Yuck

[lavish wing]

what

leave that guild

Pie or Die mentality

[wind saffron]

If u got no haste ur fucked

Swap weap enchants

[strange python]

I got a PI once

[royal lantern]

if it removes all the FotM andys here

yes pls, gimme that -5% blizz

[torn atlas]

We're a semi casual aotc guild. It's not really a big deal lol

[prime rover]

How much haste do you want as assa rogue?

[royal lantern]

bettwen 0 and 100%

[torn atlas]

But it doesn't matter anyway.

[lavish wing]

not sure what semi casual means

sry

not trying to flame

[wind saffron]

Then u should get haste cuz assa with low haste and no pi aint much fun

[safe zodiac]

is sudden demise not working on spiteful shades? i dont see them dying to it

[torn atlas]

Casual who like to think we're big pumpers I guess?

[royal lantern]

why do you speak when you have no idea what younare talking about

haste doesnt change the gameplay lol

[wind saffron]

It makes it feel better

Wym

[royal lantern]

???

dmg number gets higher

thats it

[wind saffron]

Bruv

[torn atlas]

Just wanna drink that juice once to get that high ya know

[wind saffron]

If u get no pi and u got full mastery setup it aint fun

[glossy grove]

what about the ring of COS Timewalking?

[manic quartz]

wtf is this shit

[strange python]

basically equal to a 470

[dull cloak]

someone's not pooling correct

[glossy imp]

Better then my vault

[lavish wing]

Pips?

[manic quartz]

most likely, simmin atm but still, hoped for nick or better branch

[proper forum]

does aug f your parse

[safe zodiac]

is sudden demise not working on spiteful shades?

[glossy imp]

I don’t see them dying to it personally

[safe zodiac]

yea same

[strange python]

what you doin bleedin up the shades?

i jsut run from em

[safe zodiac]

garrote ruputre crimson tempest everything

[strange python]

of give em a kidney

[glossy imp]

When the tank pulls big they get caught in the aoe chain

[strange python]

shades are so annoying

[rigid minnow]

not the best, but far far better than my 4 boots, 2 pieces of tier that i already had

[safe zodiac]

besides i try to kill them to go to stealth again for the next pack

[strange python]

i'll be the first one to kidney something chasing the boomie

but you think he ever helping me out?

nope

I save my kidney shots for mine now

[manic quartz]

i guess this is my own fault since S2 i looted hc beacon 1st week and bomb dispenser in 2nd week, so used up all my luck

[glossy imp]

Op

[manic quartz]

i still have my spiteful "meow" weakaura from SL ❤️ literally bis

[ancient rain]

i just realized this ssn we dont have 3 min cd trinket that does flat damage and must crit or else we dont feel joy

[strange python]

nah that's just KB now

which might as well be a 2 min cd

[manic quartz]

dont give bliz any ideas for nerfs

[strange python]

I mean it's kinda useless without DM (or at least useless-er)

[eternal nymph]

uuuuunfortunate

[manic quartz]

isnt sandglass decent?

[eternal nymph]

yeah, very good

but it's a giga small gain

[fallen forge]

i thought it was like top 3 passive trinkets for sin

[eternal nymph]

my 483 sandglass to 489 is about as much gain as a socket

while I have actual big upgrades remaining

[glossy mesa]

what would be the correct way to simm myself for mplus,how many target enemies do i give and for how long ? the key ranges right now 17 to 19

[manic quartz]

dungeon slice

[glossy mesa]

does the dungeon slice also include bosses? or just trash pulls

[rigid minnow]

both

[glossy mesa]

okay cool,thanks

[safe zodiac]

why does every rogue use sandglass again?

whats the gain of it

[eternal nymph]

it's strong?

pretty good trinket

and everyone has one, bc you spam fall anyways

easy to get

[tardy nacelle]

Wait some nerf is coming to assa rogue? I just "learnt" this spec damn...

[strange python]

oh no

what you gonna do

[rigid minnow]

i get gold from that place, getting rich

[frigid lagoon]

how are you guys playing around shades not being able to restealth

[kind forge]

[frigid lagoon]

its painful af

[tardy nacelle]

Well, as a new player it's hard xd

[strange python]

just keep playin git

[bronze flicker]

Why are most ppl going psn bomb instead of shock build ?

[sick eagle]

for better single target

[tardy nacelle]

I jsut want to avoid outlaw so I hope it won't be spec to go to xd

[sick eagle]

from m+ I mean

[tall flame]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[sick eagle]

can't really play around it, just try to keep vanish for new packs (not refresh bleeds on current pack) and during Dance just Garrote Rupture and Kingsbane for all globals

It's not such a huge deal not to restealth anymore, like it was prior

[kind forge]

doesnt blindside/vr do more ?

[glass junco]

has anyone noticed an fps issue today?

[sick eagle]

it's close from what I saw, but DTB just does more ST, some high tier assass don't even run sudden and go with Arterial and DTB

[safe zodiac]

how does the sanguine blade works? i have to be abovr 50% energy for my garrote and rupture to do more damage? or is it for when its applied? like i apply it on above 50% energy and then it goes sanguine blades the whole time

[sick eagle]

while above 50% you do more damage, doesn't matter when applied

[safe zodiac]

im always dry on energy

[sick eagle]

if you drop below 50% you do less damage

on aoe or st?

[rigid minnow]

i "think" i am finally getting thsi hang of this coming from the helter skelter of outlaw. Should the flow feel somewhat slow between bursts with generate points, pause to refresh envenom. And the in the cd window back to mashing to try to fit everything in and get that last moment envenom refresh?

[abstract flicker]

where do i know what enchants i use on ring? do we have x% crit x%haste x%mastery to aim for?

[manic quartz]

sim

[sick eagle]

pretty much, some people write here while waiting for energy outside cooldowns

[rigid minnow]

moving target

lol

[ebon tundra]

When running the consumables script in advanced sim, are the raidbots defaults for flasks/food enabled? the value of the defaults seem very low (almost non existant) once the sim has reported

[pallid kite]

What should i get, i might try outlaw once to see how it is but now currently im on assassination

[slim pebble]

Don’t get boots

We craft toxic boots

[safe zodiac]

ok so suppose lets say we are in fall dungeon, the tank pulls everything, i apply all my dots then do i just afk to gain the sanguine blades benefit? or keep spamming envenom for the tier set

[strange python]

get that mace man

[sick eagle]

no you wait for enerhy only in ST, aoe whould be no issue with rupture and garrote on all

[pulsar apex]

is that actually all that is upgrading? or is the on use also upgrading but just not showing me?

[sick eagle]

if you have tier I think that takes priority in aoe, I just do both with tea charges though

[safe zodiac]

so no afk in aoe and afk in st

[sick eagle]

yes, if you have tier in ST though it's way less afk cuz you need to track envenom buff, but if it drops I just wait to be 80%+ energy and then go again

[lethal vector]

what are you talking about? the envenom bug?

[safe zodiac]

thanks

[plain onyx]

mastery/crit for embllishments guys?

[rigid minnow]

if you only play sin most likely yes. if you play outlaw crit/haste might be a good compromise

[plain onyx]

i only play sin m+/raids/pvp

nothing but sin

[arctic socket]

I just realized I have been scuffing my opener, by not using thistle tea, maybe I shoulda read the guide better

[rigid minnow]

scuffer!

[manic rock]

Why cut off the equip since i'm fairly certain that the amount of agility you gain goes up with ilvl

[tacit charm]

This happened with one of my other trinkets

[runic basin]

is it correct that wafting sims teh highest

[tacit charm]

But to think it does increase the equip it’s just not showing

[tacit charm]

Depends on stat distribution

[arctic socket]

Picked up sin rogue about 3 days ago, tho I’m holding around 160-180k depending on the fights… 462 ilvl. We progressin

[manic rock]

5592 to 6312 primary stat

[pulsar apex]

@manic rock yeah ty. I checked on wowhead and the on use also does go up significantly. just not showing on the upgrade vendor UI.

[rigid minnow]

sounds like your on the right track Thresh

[arctic socket]

[smoky leaf]

Played assassin for the first time ever and got some 99 parses in heroic lol I gotta figure out the timings for mythic tho. Are there any of the 9 bosses that you guys dont just rip full cds in the opener?

Or any fights specifically where ur holding cds

[heavy jolt]

is refreshing rupture during CDs bad?

[spiral pasture]

gonna have to hold 2nd cds on volco for execute

[smoky leaf]

Only on opener it's bad. In following cds you want to rupture during cds I think for the buffed rupture

[spiral pasture]

dont know about your guild but we killed it 4:15 last week i got 4 seconds of my 3rd dm

[smoky leaf]

So 2nd two minute u mean

I found on heroic larodar I kept popping cds right before he charged away and kept wasting them lol

[spiral pasture]

yeah

[smoky leaf]

I need to fix that

[spiral pasture]

well i will

dont know your guilds dps

but my guild makes timings super cringe for me

[heavy jolt]

what buffs the rupture?

[smoky leaf]

Dance

[heavy jolt]

ah nightstalker?

[smoky leaf]

Yeah

On oepner it's bad to rup during cds cause you open with imp garrote, ambush, rupture

So first rup before cds is already nightstalkerd

[somber zephyr]

so how do we play m+ with spiteful, just dodge the week? feels terrible

[fallen forge]

dont use vanish for damage

[smoky leaf]

Bro even as outlaw it feels mega badge not being able to restealth

[fallen forge]

use it to drop stealth so you have ic up at the beginning of the pull

[spiral pasture]

i think its worse on outlaw actually

[smoky leaf]

It is yea

So much crackshots I dont get to crackshoot

[spiral pasture]

also dropping adr its just awful

[smoky leaf]

Yeah

[somber zephyr]

aoe silence is big mob control, especially in fortified sadge 😄

[vagrant wagon]

is the fyrrak trinket rly that bad for assa?
it sims oddly low 😄

[somber zephyr]

does sub suffer from spiteful? sorry im new to rogue just testing specs rn

[spiral pasture]

yeah this affix is just awful idk why they allow it to exists like this. its specifically fucks over 1 class, also healers and maybe feral but thats only 1 spec of a class

[faint path]

I hope they ultra nerf fucking dh

[spiral pasture]

bro your assa

i bet dh discord turbo crying for assa nerfs

[fallen forge]

what overalls are yall hitting in keys this week

[dark token]

Bruh

Assa and dh both op

[somber zephyr]

but assa only seems good because of pi and aug, without the externals its top but not overpowered as dh.

[dark token]

Why whine about other

[spiral pasture]

because ppl like to be cringe

[dark token]

I do more dmg than dh in keys

?

[fallen forge]

i feel like im giga trash but idk if thats me or just key level

[fallen forge]

h o w

[dark token]

Git gud

[spiral pasture]

doing higher keys also helps

[somber zephyr]

then u only meet bad dh's

[full solstice]

does sin have good aoe for m+

someone in my dungeon just flamed me and said switch to sin

[fallen forge]

what spec were you earlier

[full solstice]

outlaw

[eternal heath]

19EB kek

[prime rover]

What’s sin?

[dark token]

How

[full solstice]

assassin

[dark token]

Bruh everbloom is a 350k DPS dungeon for sin

[fallen forge]

what in the fuck

strim when

[dark token]

Last boss boosts dmg, first boss boosts dmg, and big aoe throughout

[full solstice]

18 everbloom 😭

[fallen forge]

this was my everbloom 17

[eternal heath]

I did 400k on the last boss, but the BM was 478

[full solstice]

alright chat im switching

[ashen topaz]

+8 EB :C!!!

[surreal spear]

Depends on the pulls ofc

[eternal heath]

Things got melted overall, could hardly touch KB on trash

We pulled 4 groups at the start and lusted

[full solstice]

anyone got a talent tree link for m+

[spiral pasture]

theres no shot ppl do an 18 and cry out for dh nerfs

[fallen forge]

ye i feel like i cant get past half of a kingsbane if im throwing out all my bleeds on bigger pulls like that

i prob spend 2 more gcds on ruptures than i need to tho

[eternal heath]

also cap on EB being a 350k key for us lol

[eternal heath]

Same for me

Maybe like 4s of kb if I am lucky

[spiral pasture]

playing a dot spec

[eternal heath]

And that is focusing highest hp target

[spice surge]

I mean it all depends on how you pull

[spiral pasture]

ofc your not gonna ramp up in keys where everything DIES

[dark token]

This was before 4p

Week 1

Didn't record logs recently

[eternal heath]

That's with an aug and an afk boomkin tho

[dark token]

It's a log, most Aug dmg is filtered out

[spiral pasture]

how much did you do with spatter and sb

[spice surge]

[spiral pasture]

and old tier

it cant be a low amount

[eternal heath]

augmented damage will show it at least

But hard to compete with the aoe of a BM hunter that is geared to the tits

[dark token]

Here is esra

No aug

[lofty junco]

how big is 2pc impact?

[shut owl]

479 ilvl good lort

[eternal heath]

Yeah that is what the bm hunter was

[shut owl]

2p real good

[eternal heath]

But that is also a 23, where everything has like 50% more hp than a 19 lol

But I am also brand new to sin overall, so trying to figure out wtf to do with huge pulls

[midnight atlas]

any superstition ritual for looting dagger from fall faster? im stuck with lfr dagger for 2 weeks

[dark token]

Ik but what I'm saying is

U shouldn't be 150k in everbloom

Sin is really good there

Try to be like 250k+

[lofty junco]

i was lucky. i was the only rogue last week in normal and got sage dagger twice

[eternal heath]

I was 200k but also had to run from spiteful because those 2 shot me

[spiral pasture]

keep at it until you get it, worked for me

[shut owl]

Evasion

[spiral pasture]

make sure to QQ in guild chat everytime it doesnt drop

[eternal heath]

It still has a cd tho

[midnight atlas]

i tried the rp walk and all that shiet. i guess perseverance beats rp walking to loot box

[shut owl]

Spiteful isn't a real affix

[fallen forge]

250k in logs or details w/o aug?

[shut owl]

Just pop evasion during cds and go into dot management zoomiss mode when not in cds

[finite echo]

do you only pull 1 pack every 2 minutes?

that's interesting

[eternal heath]

I mean I definitely still need to work on my rotation during the big big pulls

[plain onyx]

guys, i crafted my toxic boots and the moment i equipped it, my stamina bar turned red? is this normal?

[limber lion]

Read the tooltip

[eternal heath]

But I also feel like things are still dying by the time I finish dotting

[shut owl]

Look at the comp, make a judgement call, it can be very worthwhile to just send the accelerated opener rather than optimizing rupture gains

Losing a tick of rupture and then reapplying it in IC post KB window is usually worthwhile

[eternal heath]

What would be accelerated? gar gar rup then go into kb?

[shut owl]

Gar rup mut snd go

[eternal heath]

Will have to adjust

[shut owl]

Slam another gar or two in the SD window for CP from ss

[eternal heath]

Def felt like shit died insanely fast with that hunter

That first pull they hit just shy of 2m dps

[shut owl]

Yeah that's gonna happen

Try to desync cds from other classes on trash if you wanna optimize like that

[marble hemlock]

Says stamina increases my health points, still confused.

[manic rock]

the tooltip of the boots

clowshoes

[marble hemlock]

[dark token]

Details w/o aug

[fallen forge]

already almost there

[eternal heath]

Yeah will definitely have to figure it out. This is the highest I have been this early, so still tons to learn

Especially when brand new to a spec

[slim hamlet]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[shut owl]

Dot classes tend to be a bit fiddly with m+, and we just got half a dozen new aoe tools in our kit, GL

[marble hemlock]

unfortunate reality is that the game is very cd-burst based, and that mobs in dungeons seemingly have no health even at +20

and while our cd takes very long to actually take effect/set up, other classes do not

[indigo epoch]

Really only getting 1/2 dream spark per week for crafting? Hrmmphhh

[fallen forge]

ye i feel like someone at my level should not get close to 20s this early

[eternal heath]

Yeah that portion does feel pretty rough

[shut owl]

We do great burst, it's just back end

[marble hemlock]

they fucked smth up with dungeon tuning

[distant plinth]

Imagine one per week 😨

[marble hemlock]

dungeons reach one-shot territory at ~26-28 level and if you live it, you still 2chest it at that point

[shut owl]

Big weirdge tuning

[eternal heath]

Although was thinking of gearing up a warrior to have fun with some spin to win

[shut owl]

My favorite is second boss in fall. "Why does this dot keep killing the rogue" (guild healer, not healing or cleansing me)
"I dunno, why do you purge the augvoker with 200k more HP than me first?"

Cuz I can live it. Cloak will kill everyone tho

[eternal heath]

Yeah I still died to 3rd boss in EB because I got hit with 3 wraths and a water bolt in a row

[feral mason]

I stopped playing cd personally

Elusiveness pagman

[spice surge]

Just pixelstack ontop of each other and let the debuff fall of (aka dont dispell)

[feral mason]

barely anyone knows about that tech it feels like

xdd

[shut owl]

Yeah, problem is that my tank wants to level every tank at once so I randomly need to CD/evasion for his 440ass getting 1 shot in a 19

[eternal heath]

lmao

[blazing jewel]

Bro we had a pug disc drop barrier and mass dispel on a 22

That did not go well

[feral mason]

[shut owl]

I can't tell you how many bosses I've taken down from 30% last week

[eternal heath]

One thingg I noticed with arms warrior

[marble hemlock]

i love the rippers in fall

jumping away

[eternal heath]

Feels insanely squishy/slow compared to my rogue

[marble hemlock]

with my dm/kb

[manic rock]

stack, stand in dark, mass dispel. works great

[solemn mason]

I mainly just go single target raid build but move one point from dashing to ic and let caustic splat go brrrr get my 20-21 keys

[shut owl]

Don't kb them. Splash off of the casters and giggle cuz no one else will touch em

[limber lion]

Yeah I did +20's and +21's on my 450 rogue without any tier and with shit weapons/trinkets, basically always +2

[feral mason]

ill just play rogue for fun in raids and get title with whatever dumbo class pops up halfway through the season

[shut owl]

That skull? That's like... A guidance for us. To ignore for cds

[limber lion]

but that's good

makes gearing faster

[feral mason]

Doing 24-25s makes gearing even faster

[lofty junco]

what ilvl do ya need for hc pug without xp?

[feral mason]

3 drops

[eternal heath]

prob 460 lol

[shut owl]

Whatever they will take you at. But if you're sub 450 than you are omega trolling, cuz you can 450 from repeatable world content

[lofty junco]

kk. and on the first day of reset is probably the best time to find a decent hc group if i don't ahve xp in hc?

[feral mason]

you most likely won’t get invited but it is the best time to try

[shut owl]

🔮

[eternal heath]

I was debating between arms or windwalker. But monk is another leather and no lego chance

[feral mason]

lego is doodoo

[lofty junco]

true. but not 100%, since the crests for upgrading are limited

[feral mason]

[lofty junco]

i was stuck yesterday at 454 cause reached the 270 limit

[strange python]

DO people play arms?

I don't think i've seen one this season

anywhere

[shut owl]

454 > 450

[strange python]

Maybe my details icons are messed up though

[eternal heath]

I rarely see them aside from one of our raid alts lol

[strange python]

If I played a warrior - there's zero chance i'm not swinging 2 2 handers

[eternal heath]

But I also didn't want to deal with the APM of fury

But I do love 2 2handers

But also bladestorm

[strange python]

I've been in some keys with some ridiculously bursty fury warriors

[eternal heath]

The new fan transmog from trading post for ww looks great though

[spiral pasture]

gameplay seems to be outlaw but 0 brain power required

[shut owl]

Arms is just the loud dot spec

[eternal heath]

Thankfully only 1 dot to really deal with and it gets automatically reapplied

[strange python]

now you're talking my speed

[shut owl]

When arms doesnt run skullsplitter I am big sad

[strange python]

I've always wanted to try it and put the off-global stuff on mousewheel or something

or if you just use it on cd, macro it into something? i dunno

i think i do that with outlaw's one skill

[spiral pasture]

gs

idk if fury has an equivalent

[strange python]

they always used to - isn't that how their apm is so high

[spiral pasture]

its not as high now since they fixed something

[white temple]

Hi. Around how much overall should a 440 be doing in a 13~15 key?

[strange python]

prolly like 100-130k?

[white temple]

Great, thanks

[ashen topaz]

IT all depends

[eternal heath]

oh is the apm for fury lower? I didnt even consider fury because I didnt want 90apm

[ashen topaz]

thats me on a +12, 435 ilvl, started playing assa yesterday lol

[strange python]

bloodmallet has a listing lemme see if i can find it

[eternal heath]

Oh I think I was checking warcraft logs from PTR

[feral mason]

assa on low keys is very misrepresentative

practically unplayable

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure prot warr has a higher apm

[white temple]

I hit 150k on a BRH13, was wondering if I could juice out some more

[waxen oyster]

than fury

[cobalt gyro]

depends how low

[lyric grail]

Assa is the goto raid spec isn’t it ?

[eternal heath]

Er, simcraft PTR chart

[royal lantern]

dmg overall is a really fucking stupid "statistic" in general

[eternal heath]

Yeah prot warr and pally were both super high apm

[royal lantern]

cus bruh

[feral mason]

ye but thats just ignore pain spam

[royal lantern]

dmg overall has like 3000000factorss