assassination

[earnest sparrow]

!plater

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[reef oxide]

im guessing as soon as kingsbane and dm are up

[prisma cypress]

probably like 10 seconds in, right?

[spice surge]

On DM

[slim pebble]

Holy shit 4 set goes brrrt

[vague lion]

so many builds for m+ but i have 4p all mythic/heroic and want to go brrr

[thorny holly]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[bronze flicker]

!talents

[oblique jackal]

Is anyone having issues with caustic spatter?

i just ran a 14, with it talented, and it wasn't showing at all

[honest iris]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[proper forum]

Hello ass and sin gamers alike. Somewhat undecided on this. Ring is huge but about equal to Crafted ring that I can get next week (could save the crests I suppose).
Would it be wiser to just get the tier because it’s safe? Or pips (currently 483 hourglass / branch).

Thank you in advance.
Otherwise

[oblique jackal]

@balmy condor I'm 100% sure caustic spatter is not working currently

[balmy condor]

in what way

just worked fine for me

[zinc willow]

does anybody have a good WA for branch?

[oblique jackal]

@balmy condor Nvm, i reset my wow and its now working

[hazy geyser]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[slate crown]

!wa see my profile below, branch aura is in there, should be in top 2

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[zinc willow]

awesome thanks

[fervent jasper]

Does anything about our ST or AOE rotation change with current 4 set?

[eternal heath]

You guys stay ST for Fyrakk?

[slate crown]

Can take spatter for adds

[keen spruce]

I think tossing on spatter is worth

unless the big adds are like instantly dying

before the small ones come out

then you're kinda losing a bit of value

[unreal valley]

Assuming we have 4-set:

After our AOE opener, do we prioritize spreading/keeping crimson tempest up? Or rupture/garrote (on how many targets?) or do we prioritize caustic spatter envenom damage?

[keen spruce]

yes

[gaunt moat]

For first heroic kill? Yes
For next, more boss dps the betterer imo

[unreal valley]

I just get so boggled with the priorities after our opener. I get we can use Indiscriminate carnage to spread dots when needed, but I'm talking after all CDs are used

[keen spruce]

I like to keep CT up until the pack starts getting low. keeping bleeds and caustic up

normally what i focus on

but ideally you're kind of juggling all of it

[unreal valley]

what about the talent "Sudden Demise"? I figured its still worth applying aoe bleeds even near death since it just ticks basically all at once, right?

[keen spruce]

nah you take demise for the +10% bleed damage

the execute thing is kind of just a bonus

I guess there would be some minor optimization about when you should / shouldn't reapply bleeds to maximize it? maybe?

[unreal valley]

I just kinda figured it was nice for m+ especially since its not 100% "wasted" damage if u apply bleed on an enemy near death haha

[keen spruce]

idk i wouldn't worry about it

[unreal valley]

gotcha gotcha

[keen spruce]

too much cognative load

for not enough gain

[tired shard]

Any wa or plater that helps track when you need to reapply bleeds and such?

[spark scaffold]

was the bug that got fixed known before-hand?

[finite echo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gaunt moat]

Yes

I've mentioned it here several times.
And @slate crown has reported it since PTR
(Apperantly was fixed in PTR, but fix didn't make it to live)

Either way, inconsequential bug

[eternal heath]

Yeah I just have no clue what to really run spatter on

[spark scaffold]

did the buff persist past the shown buff duration or did it just give you a longer buff than intended?

the wording is a bit confusing

[spice surge]

It was half fixed, on ptr it was ~5 seconds literally every time but on live it was only like ~2 seconds and far from all the time

[gaunt moat]

Everything except volocross, nymue and smolderon

[spice surge]

It sometimes gave the effects for a few seconds after the buff had fallen off

[gaunt moat]

It was 5 on live all time when i checked

Even with 1CP

[spark scaffold]

well, during rwf rogues were using low CP envenoms during the fast DM setups, they might have abused this a bit

now it makes more sense why they were doing that

[slate crown]

It was inconsistent based on pandemic timers

[vital dragon]

why were echo/liquid using ashes instead of branch ? did they just not want to farm the branch

[eternal heath]

I will do that then. Feels like adds never really live long enough to justify

[spark scaffold]

playing branch on fyrakk / tindral opener is quite difficult

[slate crown]

A 1 cp envenom base gave 5 sec. A 1 cp envenom pandemicing a 5 cp envenom may give 2s, may give 5, it was weird

[spark scaffold]

on mythic

[vital dragon]

I see I see

[slate crown]

Either way it's fixed now

[gaunt moat]

1. Need to actually get branch.
2. It sucks to use it, ashes way simpler

[spark scaffold]

i don't even know how you should properly react to heavy boss movement + puddles if you're using branch

[gaunt moat]

3. Dps difference is like 1000-1500~

[slate crown]

Heavy boss movement is the problem

The orbs float to you

puddles or no, they'll make their way to you

But if you have to run across the whole arena, yeah

[spark scaffold]

yeah, but if your timings are off, its not going to be better than ashes either way

fyrakk is a case of both insanely high movement and a lot of ground effects

for tindral, it's only the opener that the boss has to sprint across the arena twice

your other deathmarks are fine

[gaunt moat]

The difference in DPS doesn't really justifies branch for me personally, if you got both same ilvl

[spark scaffold]

let's say you only want ashes for your deathmark/KB and you don't care about the lingering buff after DM/KB, would you still send it 3 sec into KB?

[gaunt moat]

If you're doing 206k dps instead of 207k not gonna matter for boss dying

[balmy condor]

that's how that works yeh

[spark scaffold]

i'm having this dilemma on tindral atm, where i have to run to the feather basicly during the last gcd of DM so anything after is wasted

aight, so the buff lasting longer has no influence on the ashes timing

[balmy condor]

we cast it where we do because the decay

[gaunt moat]

At the end of DM uit gives very little agility

[spark scaffold]

i understand, but i remember someone saying that macroing it into KB is like 0.4% dps loss and i'd assume that using more of the buff also makes this slightly lower

[vital dragon]

I feel like branch is just clunky as fuck

[tired shard]

Let’s say we have Devlin WA but we want to try whyspers. How can we turn off Devlin without deleting it?

[spark scaffold]

just go to load and check never

[tired shard]

Ty!

[desert vault]

am I missing something why /cast Deathmark
/use Witherbark's Branch doesn't seem to work?

[gaunt moat]

Not only can you barely see you orbs. You can also see other people orbs for some reason.

Ignoring the fact the trinket makes you do a dance in the first place.

[vital dragon]

yaa

[gaunt moat]

Try /use 13 (or 14 for 2nd trink slot)

[oak lagoon]

quick question do you need more haste in raid then mastery?

[real stirrup]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[stone fable]

do we use deadly and amplified?

[steel geyser]

yes

[outer cairn]

this lag on tindral when the first roots come out is just destroying my damage. its so bad

[slate crown]

I turned off nameplates for the fight

inconvenient

but it fixed the issue for me

[plucky patio]

what kind of kingsbane damage are we getting in our openers? trying to see if im on track

[gray hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[flint pond]

Buff rogue

[real stirrup]

I mean it's a lot - when you test it on dummies you will notice a big burst when in KB window. Especially when you vanish at the end.

[eternal heath]

Man, council is gross

Spatter was like 6.3% of my damage but still

[plucky patio]

yea, but like 2.5 mil from first kingsbane sound about right?

[eternal heath]

Honestly not even sure, would probably have to check log

Was a "prog" fight but we 1 shot it

I made the mistake of kbing urctos so lost my last 3-4s of it

[turbid sandal]

Is there a bug that pops us out of stealth in raid for some reason? I swear it's happened a dozen times tonight

[eternal heath]

aug I believe

unless you have sark cloak

[turbid sandal]

I do still have that, is that it? never seen it done that before

[hexed willow]

do we sim weekly or nightly?

[bold arch]

Sorry if this has been answered (new) but has anyone done any testing with augury yet? I got it from normal just now and is doing insane dps on heroic level bosses so far. at 36% crit like 7-8% total damage over the course of a fight.

[past kestrel]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

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[slate crown]

Latest or nightly

[flint pond]

Giant is bis

[upbeat pebble]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[gusty sleet]

How big is the dps upgrade for 2 and 4 piece?

[real stirrup]

beeeg

[viral apex]

hey rogue buddies

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nghbCmw2yrTxVjMR#fight=last&type=damage-done&graphperf=2

heres myy logs

[humble ginkgo]

yo my sim is tweaking https://i.imgur.com/JbsclY7.png

[viral apex]

can you guys help me what im doing wrong?

Says i could be doing more damage

How would i improve?

[flint pond]

It’s just calculating your future sims before you enter them

[eternal heath]

yeah mine been going to like 300% lol

[ashen sun]

k so spitefuls and not getting restealths

do I just play next week instead?

[tall atlas]

Go pirate boi

[smoky leaf]

losing socket really this bad???

oh wait

no toxic patch

that makes sense

nvm

[timid talon]

Ashes/crab/sandglass - which 2 would be best for keys? all the same ilvl 483

[junior aurora]

sim dungeons lice

best for keys is usually branch/sandglass but branch devalues mastery so maybe ashes/crab

but sim it

[narrow root]

what does my mastery cap at?

[candid sluice]

is the crab trink actually good?

[forest notch]

hmm Is it worth spending catalyst on champion gear? I ahve 2 set atm and 2 catalysts, likely I assume I should wait but im not sure how strong 4 set is. ie. Is it so powerful that I should just get it and worry about getting it 480+ later?

[heavy jolt]

when going into cooldowns what do i need to do to prep? should i be doing an envenom before sending CDs?

[gloomy sundial]

what is the main difference when you play AP build from the hybrid? I am doing much less with AP

[slate crown]

!guide - Opener in the rotation page tells you how to prep

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[eager solstice]

How many Gfs have you guys done for dagger? I’m at like 20 with no luck

[flat atlas]

Hello rogues, I am looking to play assassination in raid, since it is very strong in unitarget, is it very difficult to learn this spec? or is there something I should know?

[frozen iris]

Would someone mind looking at my logs for nymue? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1mxZY8BjHCNWfzRr#fight=last&type=damage-done

The cooldowns really line up so curious how i could have done better?

[unkempt mountain]

I got mine last week, took 42 runs

for 1

[real stirrup]

I'm expecting Nicola in my vault

[real stirrup]

might take you a few days to get used to rotation: it focuses around shadow dance, kingsbane

[gray horizon]

anyone else got a weird delay with their opener and dropping stealth?

like when i change from stealth stance to non-stealth, i'd be hitting ambush like RIGHT there and it always misses a ticket and i have to wait to hit Mutilate

[split veldt]

can someone explain how to use sudden demise, i feel like im fucking something up badly here lmao

[balmy condor]

talent into it

GG done

[split veldt]

then why did it do 800k this key, and for the other rogue it did 6m

[balmy condor]

cause the targets died while they had more bleeds on the target

[split veldt]

so what, you spam extra hard during the final 35%?

[woeful meteor]

you play like normal, cause demise just exists to minimize wasted dmg from bleeds

[sweet hill]

you can play to get huge sudden demise damage but im pretty sure thats trolling

[split veldt]

well w/e it is, this dude was doing it every pull and mine was doing shit

[real stirrup]

The key to Sudden Demise is Indiscriminate Carnage right?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[split veldt]

but i want bigger numbers too

[balmy condor]

you got big number

[eternal heath]

Only 4.3% spatter damage on larry

[balmy condor]

just not from sudden demise

[eternal heath]

[real stirrup]

No Nicky Time! nooooo

[outer cairn]

can't wait for new pc. fps killed my damage in so many fights

but we got aotc

[split veldt]

hmm, so youre saying you either get that sudden demise damage from other sources or sudden demise itself?

[real stirrup]

It's gunna be like Beacon all over again

[abstract jacinth]

whats making the blackrook rings BiS for us? I thought our stat prio waas generally crit=mast>haste>verse

[balmy condor]

sudden demise is 150% damage for 100% damage, it's basically 66% efficient on the bleed casts

so you don't play around it

[eternal heath]

So we are lusting on pull for smoldy prog

[grand trail]

5th set gamers rise up

[eternal heath]

Should I be slamming DM/branch or hold for interm

[spice sentinel]

wow, ilvl aside, most meh vault 😞

[oak tangle]

how does lusting on pull help prog?

[wicked zodiac]

guys what is the best talents for the week ?

[real stirrup]

nearly 2k que in sims ohh boyy

[eternal heath]

Feel like people have been hearing you dont get much "usage" during intermission

[oak tangle]

yeah but like, if you are lusting the intermission, everyone should have their cd's, and if if it doesn't last the whole duration, it is still when you use cd's, and the same thing will happen on pull, just without a damage amp

[clever perch]

I looted as outlaw ON MISTAKE

[grand trail]

legs are alright, raidbot wanted me to play more vers anyway

[clever perch]

KEKW

[sharp forge]

https://gyazo.com/73fc09df5f4ed4dba9af443fe6d891c6 trinkets done 😄

[outer cairn]

fucking hell. i need so many crests to upgrade shit

[oak tangle]

i need more crests than i can get

[balmy condor]

@nimble vector it’s a similar gene to the one that makes cilantro soapy which I also have. They’re both aldehydes (like formaldehyde, family of chemicals)
and so apparently the genes being present means that it activates receptors in my nose that allows me to smell various aldehydes. Cilantro has aldehydes, that's what makes it soapy. Ants happen to use formic acid for stuff, which is very similar in chemical structure, and so when the ant gets smushed it's like popping a little balloon and I can smell that, hope it helps

[clever perch]

how good is this weapon

[glad lintel]

So I won the roll on Bandoiler trinket and traded it to someone else for Pips W or L?

[clever perch]

im between taking the chest and upgrade to 489 then catalyst or just take the weapon and play outlaw in m+

[oak tangle]

people can't smell ants?

[balmy condor]

the vast majority of people can't

[oak tangle]

wtf

that's crazy

i mean they aren't missing much, and tbh sometimes i wish i couldn't but that shit is pungeant af

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's pretty awful

I couldn't sit in my backyard for like 3 years

cause we had a huge ant nest near a tree

and just being within like 10-15 meters of it

was unbearable

we had a really cold winter though and the ants died out

[humble ginkgo]

what does it smell like

[oak tangle]

tangy?

[outer cairn]

yeah no shit. i can max two tier pieces on the hero track and a dagger then i'm done

[balmy condor]

it's very unique

but yeah

bit tangy

think like uh

[outer cairn]

but then i still have other pieces to upgrade and maybe trinkets

[real stirrup]

mmmmm ants

[humble ginkgo]

ew

[balmy condor]

isolate the smell of milk right when its going bad

but

less milky

it's kinda similar to that

[oak tangle]

kinda an onion vibe

[balmy condor]

yeah

[nimble vector]

man I thought I was being memed hearing this shit

[oak tangle]

they smell how licking a 9V battery tastes

[balmy condor]

wait that's actually

so real

that's such a crazy analogy

holy shit

[nimble vector]

??????????? who is licking batteries

[balmy condor]

sorry

maybe language barrier

[midnight spire]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[balmy condor]

right spiffin innit to give a lil slobber to a battery oi?

[indigo mulch]

[oak tangle]

a youthfull past time to slap your tongue on both of these at the same time

[surreal spear]

is Wafting Devotion better than Sophic? 😮

[indigo mulch]

Why i'm i doing this to myself, i'm building a pos for a project and its so boring.

help

[oak tangle]

pos?

[indigo mulch]

Point of Sale system sorry ;o

[oak tangle]

kk i wasn't sure if it was that, or piece of shit

[indigo mulch]

Well piece of shit is def better.

[obtuse ruin]

Is there any place to check what spells to click during dance for aoe?

[nimble vector]

how did you even know I'm English I'm reporting you to the authorities

[earnest remnant]

[velvet ridge]

the more i play spiteful, the more i enjoy it

[junior aurora]

stockholmed?

[velvet ridge]

its actually a pretty fun affix

[junior aurora]

stockholmed.

[balmy condor]

I'm in your walls, doing ant inspection

[junior aurora]

sniffyr

[storm swift]

Is there a special way to use the cruel Dreamcarver? or just use on cd? use it on a specific mob?

[real stirrup]

just did aiding the accord and a worthy ally quest in like 3 mins

[hushed fable]

You use it once. On a specific type of mob - depends on which buff you want - and then never use the ability again.

[storm swift]

ok thank you! is there a sheet or something somewhere to show whats best?

[hushed fable]

Nope. It's all up to you. But either dragonkin, beast or mech will do. It's a minor stuff really, nothing to be bothered.

[plain onyx]

Do i use Dungeon slice for m+ simming ?

[storm swift]

cool thank you

[real stirrup]

wait I can't get more wyrm dreaming crests.... then how the hell do I upgrade the gear that I have?

[slate crown]

Yes

[balmy condor]

wait until next week when the cap increases

[real stirrup]

oh thank god

[twin hull]

Hey can someone tell me...what exactly i need to do...
when i shiv a target...do i spamm envenom until the debuff wears off or follow the envenom 4p rule..use it at 1 sec...

[lucid rain]

hero badge

[formal cliff]

Are any of you guys having problems with the stealth stance bar? like it taking some time to go back to normal stance and you missing a gcd cause you tried to ambush but it says "needs stealth" or something like that

[storm forum]

yeah

losing like half a gcd to it

[real stirrup]

there's a WA you can use to track when to press your CDS during KB

its very useful

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[real stirrup]

not sure if it's in the WA list

[formal cliff]

Heck, thats annoying

[nimble vector]

[real stirrup]

you could always turn off the paging aspect of your bars and just have one whole bar

[twin hull]

ohh i see.. ill look for it...just wanted to know about shiv...like usually when im not using CD just using shiv...what do i do...spamm Envenom until shiv runs out or do the 1 sec 4p rule

[real stirrup]

yeah you only shiv twice during kingsbane window and envenom 4+ CPS

dont shiv anywhere else but KB window

[neat plank]

I removed ambush from my stealth bar, i only press if it procs dont care for dps loss too annoying

[formal cliff]

How?

[real stirrup]

if you're using Elvui it's in the settings

[formal cliff]

Was about to say that

I only knew how to do it with addons

Not using any UI addon atm

[formal cliff]

That's what I'm gonna have to do

[real stirrup]

you're using default UI for action bars?

[formal cliff]

Yep

[real stirrup]

might just be somewhere in home settings then

[signal badger]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[formal cliff]

had looked through all option already and couldn't find anything about it, unless i'm too blind

[real stirrup]

if you go to options then action bars it has something regarding pages but not too sure if that's the same thing

[bleak ivy]

I just got 4p but AP build still sims higher by 4k ? I heard ppl said hybrid sims alot better for them with 4p

[real stirrup]

I think it's close just got to sim I think

[sharp atlas]

how do you go about reapplying garrote in aoe after you've used shadow dance in your opener?

[real stirrup]

when you vanish at the end

[bleak ivy]

just gonna trust the sims

[eternal heath]

Woo we got smoldy down

my dps was dog though

[boreal sky]

we get 60 crests per week?

or is it 90

It's 90.

[junior aurora]

90

[bleak ivy]

how tf havoc topping smoldy

[eternal heath]

90

[boreal sky]

It's probably worth sending crests on my offhand right?

[outer cairn]

there a way to keep this notter wa always up? it keeps disappearing whenever i vanish

[boreal sky]

So I can flightstone upgrade nick of times

for assa

[eternal heath]

uncheeck load in combat maybe

[warped pilot]

So, i'm getting my ass kicked in keys. Like, can't seem to break avg of like 170k etc. How many gcd's are we using in ruptures? Doing like 20-22

[real stirrup]

what's your ilvl?

[warped pilot]

talking strictly opener

476

[real stirrup]

AS build?

Arterial Shock*

[sharp atlas]

i see ty

[warped pilot]

Negative

went down the middle

[real stirrup]

try simming Hybrid, Ult and AS

[plain onyx]

Why whats wrong with Hybrid 🙄

Plz tell me its fine

[velvet ridge]

i miss blindside on bosses

[eternal heath]

Both are fine

[real stirrup]

I tried it and don't like not having blindside proccs and it just feels more fluid for me

[velvet ridge]

feels crafting

[boreal sky]

I need my lil bushy casts

[plain onyx]

Yeah l i like amboosh as well

[eternal heath]

Smoldy is gross

[hushed fable]

Nothing. I play Hybrid over AS build cuz I prefer it in most cases and I do bigger dps overall with hybrid than AS. But then again... I tried AS only once, it was doing worse in ST for me, so I ditched it. I don't need to pad AoE if there are other classes that burst trash packs anyway.

[drifting turret]

I have gotten so crazy lucky with tertiary stats o.o

[forest notch]

any pointers for trying to get stealth in M+ dungeons with chain pulling tank

[lucid tiger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gNwnwcckYXeLoyXDQzrG6R
as a baby rogue and monk refugee what should i pick for longetivety cloak or trinket?

[earnest remnant]

use dance or vanishes for stealthed garrotes

thats your fix

[forest notch]

ahh so in dungeons dont neccisarily save vanish for KB

[boreal sky]

lmao, bro is a havoc dh

[hushed fable]

I mean... you can on bosses, but on trash naaah.

[devout relic]

whats the fastest way to get to Hellfire Peninsula from Orgrimmar ?

[humble kayak]

Hey everyone, just coming back from a break and am jumping back into sin rogue. Looking at the rotation, are you holding shiv's for SD+KB? I read in a couple places that you should never be using shiv outside of 1 and 2 min cds

[proven jasper]

U wanna have both shivs for sd+kb yes

[thorny pond]

did it bois: the sex number parse

[manic rock]

So long as it's back up in time there's no reason not to use it. It has a 30s recharge

[balmy condor]

we always play 2 charges of shiv, and we always play kingsbane

so you hold both charges for it always

idk what rayfe's talking about

[formal cliff]

Fuck subterfuge

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[full depot]

5M KB with a 1M critical tick at the end, feelsgoodman

[plain onyx]

Alright my sin rogue is like 2 days old. Got two splinters in my bag that i can craft with. Should i go with the boots and the other slot for decay ?

[formal cliff]

issue

[balmy condor]

yeh

skill issue

simply do not have ping

[shadow tulip]

Move next to the servers 4head

[formal cliff]

How is this guy a wowhead writter

[balmy condor]

true and real

[formal cliff]

jk whisp love you

[balmy condor]

I don't know either sometimes

[chrome night]

cause of the cat

[balmy condor]

they hired a real idiot

[slate crown]

I think there are cases you can contrive that it makes sense. It was done on M Fyrakk but that's incredibly niche. If you are delaying DM + KB for 30+ seconds and have a charge, sure. But yeah not a common enough situation to always recommend and shiv not buffing kingsbane is not like, major damage

[errant swallow]

will they remove crests' cap at some point?

[bright cipher]

brazil?

[shadow tulip]

Maybe after 4-5 months?

[shut owl]

raid is finally wising up to me getting externals... but one of the priests went rogue and gave me 2 seconds of PI as boss is at 1%

RIP my parse

[formal cliff]

Yeah mate

[shadow tulip]

You must have been cursing on healers...

[bright cipher]

ops wrong reply

[rough girder]

I have a quick question, is it bad to press deathmark after kingsbane or do they always need to be synced?

[bright cipher]

me too, but i play with 100 latency

[mighty nexus]

i hate it here

[slate crown]

a tiny delay there I see 😛

[burnt venture]

Always DM before KB

[balmy condor]

ONE TENTH OF A SECOND

FUCK

[slate crown]

WIPE IT

[rough girder]

is there a reason why?

[earnest remnant]

he is never gonna financially recover from that

[shut owl]

send that to his raid-lead, he needs to be replaced

[bright cipher]

' funny thing, that delay could also be just the server fucking up

[shadow tulip]

Leaving dps on the table smh

[slate crown]

But for real I feel your pain

[earnest remnant]

what a time to be alive, both trinkets before prog is over, thats a first

[formal cliff]

80% of the time subterfuge just slams my head with not changing my bars to normal stance

And my character tries to cast ambush

Gets a "must be on stealth"

[balmy condor]

I missed 1/10th of a second in 5 seconds, so every 50 seconds I’m missing a full gcd, and depending on fight lengths, that gcd could be a kingsbane, and kingsbane as a gcd does around 2.5mil damage, so I’m missing 2.5mil damage every 50 seconds. Dude the subterfuge bug is FIFTY THOUSAND DPS? No wonder my parses suck

[warped pilot]

21 Atal, Tried arterial, have an aug, so hard to tell. I'm just trying to get the most outta this thing man, tired of being trash. xD

[formal cliff]

And 1 gdc later i get to cast mut

[slate crown]

Damn get better ping my guy

[balmy condor]

Real

[slate crown]

My honest solution was to just flip to using mutilate instead of ambush. It's a loss but like, it's easier for me so I do it. It's not much of a loss, but I never encounter this issue anymore, it's just smooth

And for the most part i'm getting purples on heroic so I'm content with that

[formal cliff]

Whispyr threatened to gut me if I do that

/j

In case anyone call 911 on him

[shut owl]

yeah but now you've got this great quote from him to use as leverage

proof that he's griefing raid by 50k dps

can we get that pinned and see how many folks start blaming ping for their parses? XD

[formal cliff]

lmao, not gonna happen

copium is not that strong on this server

[shut owl]

isnt it?

[formal cliff]

Atleast not this section I guess, outlaw on the other hand

[shut owl]

I remember we got an aura nerf on top of the rogue nerf S1 and people went insane

[forest notch]

decent for rogues?

[shut owl]

yes

[forest notch]

sick

[real stirrup]

well played, anything over 200k even with evoker is pretty darn good

[warped pilot]

Thanks! Playing around BM hunters and DH's makes my heart hurt lol

[real stirrup]

just did a +18 rise with hunter and DH, would've beaten them if not made silly mistakes

[spring dome]

Hello is there any kind of weakaura or graphical settings i can edit to stop seeing other peoples orbs from this trinket

[leaden cypress]

I was playing hybrid build only, in M+ but even on forti 20-21 many times i get to situation even the big add dies waay before my KB ends sometimes even before i even put it on 😅 is arterial more common for M+ and easier to play?

[slate crown]

Nope, no way to stop seeing others' orbs

[spring dome]

ok thank you

[desert vault]

With branch if you don’t stagger orbs and just eat all of them it is a pretty big dps loss I’m guessing?

[humble kayak]

With the new exsang passive is it worth constantly pooling to stay above 50% energy? Or is it better to get as many envenoms out as possible?

[desert vault]

Cause you’ll miss the mastery on the last 3s of kingsbane?

[burnt venture]

1.5% I think Whispyr had said

[dusty mirage]

Well there is one thing you can turn off to not see other peoples orb. But it's not recommended as the screen needs to be on to play the game 🙈

[slate crown]

This is the bad part, but you can instead just use the trinket late

like, use the trinket 3 seconds after DM

then just stnad still

[desert vault]

Oh ok, so not the end of the world but a good chunk. Yeah I was thinking the same

[slate crown]

You want to make sure you have 3 stacks over the end of kingsbane

that's the most important

Ideally you'd buff the beginning with 2 stacks but, you can prioritize what you're able to realistically do

[desert vault]

Yeah I will just worry about the end having 3 stacks and improve from there hopefully. The second shiv is with 9 or 7 seconds left I forget

[slate crown]

7 sec left

[strange python]

Uhhh why doesnt this work?

[gusty sleet]

Is there a way to run my own logs for like LFR and stuff?

[slate crown]

Yes. You can log and upload any combat really

[gusty sleet]

Is there a how to anywhere I can browse?

[slate crown]

Warcraftlogs site has details on how to do logging, you have to get a program from them to manage the files

[gusty sleet]

Perfect!

[stable meteor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

Honestly not sure, I don't use this much. Try checking Is Unit? Is this character on your realm?

[thin gate]

can someone link me the id of Timestrike dagger + TOD and Everbloom trinket?

i wanna sim my statweights after obtaining those :/

[spiral pasture]

Pip is kinda mid for us right? Got one in vault but seems like a bit of a waste taking it

[blazing totem]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[thin gate]

i mean its a solid option since u wanna have everbloom / smolderon trinket for on use and some passive 2nd trinket

check bloodmallet tho

[slate crown]

ID at bottom

[spiral pasture]

Signet is bis

[slate crown]

You can get that addon btw, called IdTips

[thin gate]

ty sir

[spiral pasture]

And pip sims only like 500 more than hourglass

[dusty mirage]

Pi question. Who benefit most from it. Uh or assa on bl pull all raid buffs?

[thin gate]

but thats for raw ST and alot bosses have some cleave mechanics, which should be considered aswell

[thin gate]

i think its UHDK>Assa

cause army is still a strong a.f cooldown

[balmy condor]

on pull its uhdk

[dusty mirage]

So I need to force one of my dk to go frost then 😂

Or get another priest

[thin gate]

give the priest some consumables and maybe noone will notice, that hes PI ing u

[dusty mirage]

Losing 40k+ in hero window feels bad

[spiral pasture]

True

[distant fox]

huh i thought you would say the setting for ever single aoe in game.

[distant fox]

pi me has to be written with a space in between for the dibs pi weakaura

[dusty mirage]

Just wish they would make your own glow more

[distant fox]

finally and 467 ilvl

my alt got fcked

[latent onyx]

any reason this ring isnt BiS compared to the black rook hold ones, I thought masstery was our best stat.

[stray siren]

Having a real issue figuring out what stat-gems to go for? Some are running Vers Mas, some Mas Haste, some Crit Mas etc. Anyone have any idea where I can find any type of benchmarks? I’m slightly afraid to follow RaidBots since it’s showing Mastery Haste and I’m not seeing many with those gems.

[distant fox]

depends on your current gear, even a haste vers ring could sim the best

[latent onyx]

ah ok, thought rings might be based on other stats you have, thanks

[sick aspen]

raidbots is telling you what should be best for your gear, which is what matters

[distant fox]

in general lyour best bet is mastery crit, some may prefer the benefits of vers and your best bet is haste

[stray siren]

Alright, so if RaidBots says Master + Haste, that’s what you guys would run for?

[slate crown]

Do not look at what others are gemming or enchanting

[stray siren]

Thanks

[slate crown]

Stand proud in the enchants and gems you pick after the robit told you to take them

[stray siren]

Aight! Thanks

[worn fossil]

idol sims better then pips atm, crazy. guess i take pips anyways

[plucky dock]

Is there a weakaura to track the 4pcs proc?

[jaunty phoenix]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid rain]

farming spitefuk

farming spiteful 👌

[jaunty phoenix]

do i just take the legs?

[lucid rain]

think so yeah

[boreal raven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid rain]

the brand is nice but there are trinkets just as good or better and you can always catalyze a head piece

[worn fossil]

[lucid rain]

^ that too

[distant fox]

not directly but 4p is bound to envenom so if you track the buff you will know if the 4p can proc but you want to focus on chaining envenoms

[silent stratus]

any way to keep track of improved garrote (vs normal garrote) on plater special buffs?

[plain onyx]

At what ilvl i should start catalysing gear ?veteran? Champ? Hero? Myth?

[leaden cypress]

When do you use your shiv in m+ with arterial build? U save it for KB or its not bad to just use it even if KB is not rdy?

[lucid rain]

it depends

if you have packs like uh

medium to small hp mobs, you probably want to shiv in execute

but if you have a big mob you can KB/spatter off of, then you shiv that twice for the entire kb window

max pandemic CT + shiv 5 targets makes sudden demise go boom (along with other bleeds ofc)

you just have to know where a target can live for most or all of the kb debuff

[balmy condor]

optimizing inherently inefficient damage

sudden demise is a bonus

stop playing around sudden demise

[spiral salmon]

btw incase someone else has been baffled by ninja pulls in some dungeons, toxic thorn boots seem to fly off to a random target sometimes

[junior aurora]

play around sudden demise in rat meme keys that are like +09

[leaden cypress]

You think arterial is easier than hybrid, cuz i played only hybrid and the thing with targets dying before kb was my biggest issue even on fort 20-21 keys in most packs

[lucid rain]

ap/blindside is very good for tyrannical and fortified

definitely worth trying

[subtle kiln]

legit just try it and see what triggers you less in pugs 🙂

[plain onyx]

I play hybrid as well, never tried Arterial. But if there's a big diff referring to dps ill switch to arterial of course

[worn fossil]

I enjoy arterial a Bit more, but both are fine though

[waxen oyster]

489 dreamcarver

[plain onyx]

Btw my character is like 1 week old. Got 2 splinters in my bag. Would you guys think i should start crafting the boots and the other slot for decay ?

[waxen oyster]

tfw you have 2 drop and one goes to mog

dumb its unique

[runic hinge]

Unique equipped

Yeee

Really dumb. Maybe they don’t want you to have 2 buffs

[warped pilot]

is dreamcarver off the gcd? I'm out of keybinds, and wondering if it can just be macro'd. I'd assume not.

[waxen oyster]

our other rogue has one too so mog roll

[runic hinge]

Too powerful at that point or something

[waxen oyster]

489 dreamcarver is apparently 400 dps

over 483 nick in mh

[runic hinge]

You wouldn’t keybind dreamcarver ever

[runic hinge]

Ilvl is king

[waxen oyster]

ye

thank god

i only have to farm one now

[warped pilot]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

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[waxen oyster]

....and cope for a 489 from vault

[hushed barn]

after farming my hero branch i dont wanna farm 2 daggers 😦

[fallen knoll]

Got one 483 time and 489 dagger from ad and couldn't care less about farming another one, if it ain't in the vault idc, less than 1% dps increase

[distant fox]

if i wanan min max i need vers enchantments for my rings and get a giga haste ring for m+. or other gear with more haste. seems like to much effort tbh xD

[slate crown]

If you are going for raid focus yes, thorn boots and toxic patch off-piece.

[waxen oyster]

2nd nick at non 489 isnt a dps increase over a 489 normal dagger

idk if for some people it is

[plain onyx]

Focusing raids & m+

[eternal heath]

17 WM, some of those pulls are super cringe

[slate crown]

!wa What do you mean by track it? My Profile (below) has an envenom progress bar which may help get more out of your envenom 4pc procs. Most packs here have some display for envenom. My pack also has a little icon to show if you get a proc (This doesn't give you any decisions, its just for fun to confirm you got a proc if you were cutting your envenom close).

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[eternal heath]

Yeah there is an orange and red tick although I have no clue what they represent lol

[slate crown]

Red tick is 2sec remaining by default, can use custom options to swap it to true pandemic which shifts around as you gain combo points (I play with true pandemic set). Orange is "You have enough time to rupture at/before this point to get another envenom out after without dropping envenom", I just arbitrarily picked 4 seconds for that, it's more of a guide marker than a hard-line decision

Red is meant as your "Cast envenom after" mark

[frozen iris]

Is there a channel or someone I can dm for feedback on some logs?

[sharp viper]

damn, true pandemic tracking sounds like a big hassle to set up

[abstract jacinth]

Pretty much here and hope someone responds

[sharp viper]

I'm my own healer now

[slate crown]

Must get current CP, map that out to new envenom duration, and properly flag (which involves delaying or echoing events with a timer to re-flag the condition code to run because if the trigger is already fired it won't update conditions again till it un-triggers) as you gain combo points, then set the tick placement based on that value every time.

So, yes. Doing it as a tick marker fully dynamically on the bar takes some effort. Alternatively I could have just had two giant lists of hard-coded conditions per combo point (like I do with rupture currently which I don't like doing), one for TTK builds and one without, and not have any code in there, but then I'd need a whole separate condition for if someone only wants 2 sec...

[junior aurora]

pretty good run

got my 2nd nick and my speed iridal

same clear

[hexed willow]

What are folks crafting third? Considering a flavor packet on neck/ring (current highest sim upgrade)

[junior aurora]

i went flavor pocket on ring second

gonna do toxic bracers 3rd

[waxen oyster]

lmao

speed is a useless stat for ranged

ranged players dont move

[steel ridge]

isnt next craft in one week?

[hexed willow]

Did the bracers go 476 with the free one second

Planning ahead

[pulsar apex]

We don’t get a 3rd spark this week right?

[hexed willow]

Nope

[junior aurora]

speed is bis for icy floes frost mage wdym

can cover so much ground with the 5 spells in a row i can cast while moving

[steel ridge]

my third craft is going to be toxic patch item most likely

[junior aurora]

i mean that staff is worthless on my rogue but it is pretty funny to have

[steel ridge]

[waxen oyster]

link it in gchat

to make people mad

[junior aurora]

lol

2nd nick down but still have yet to see the trinket

30 runs in now

[waxen oyster]

sandglass?

[junior aurora]

yea

[waxen oyster]

i saw it a bunch still no nick

got a 480 avoidance in vault

[junior aurora]

only person that can even give me sandglass in my m+ group when they're around is the tank

and he also wants it

[waxen oyster]

its not a bad trink

im guessing fall pants can roll another tert

[junior aurora]

yeah im using those too

free leech and decent stats

[hearty siren]

Branch still the bizniz right?

[junior aurora]

yea

can run ashes too if u really hate branch gameplay but it is a loss

[waxen oyster]

i wonder what ilvl are m fyrak pants

[junior aurora]

486

489 actually

[waxen oyster]

not higher ilvl?

[wheat hinge]

HI! Can anyone tell me why i still sim so low?

[waxen oyster]

than other options

[junior aurora]

no

they got rid of that when they added myth track

[wheat hinge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bLpPcaZyhD99RSqfU1cVkH

[wild birch]

Does 20% non aoe dr from Elusiveness adds to 40% on aoe?

[junior aurora]

only thing that is higher ilvl is the trinkets now, 496

[junior aurora]

no

[supple snow]

is Ouroboreal Necklet any good?

[waxen oyster]

it was there last tier wasnt it

myth track existed but

[supple snow]

or do we not care cause vers

[junior aurora]

you can sim it

[supple snow]

this is the situation I'm facing

[junior aurora]

do u have branch yet

[supple snow]

nope

[junior aurora]

take branch

[shy pecan]

Take the branch.

[supple snow]

Got ashes

[junior aurora]

take branch

[shy pecan]

Take branch.

[junior aurora]

the only way to get a 489 branch is in vault

[waxen oyster]

i find that odd

[junior aurora]

you're simming with no buffs

[waxen oyster]

why did they axe 3 ilvl higher

from last boss

[hearty siren]

Gonna be in a pickle if there is a branch or Nick in mine. Still have no tier.

[dense gust]

Cuz it's a legendary

[junior aurora]

axe is 496 right

same as the very rare trinkets off fyrakk

[glass raptor]

No 500

[junior aurora]

oh so finished axe is 500

thats because 500 looks a lot better

[waxen oyster]

very rare stuff is still higher?

[shy pecan]

(1) You're also simming with the AP M+ build, which is why it's low
(2) Stop simming with stat weights.

[waxen oyster]

you take regardless

[hearty siren]

Probably ye. Tier will come. Although I do enjoy running Fall and EB.

[waxen oyster]

you may never see a 489 nick

[hearty siren]

Correct. Hopefully LFR luck at least shines upon me soon so i can get 4-set next week or on 3rd catalyst

[lucid rain]

I'm 470 still rocking 447 tier chest and gloves

[distant fox]

how does shadowmeld affect subterfuge, masterassasin and IC?

[lucid rain]

4p overrated

[delicate hemlock]

489 is max mythic ilvl, its only the "very rare" stuff that can be higher
i hate not realising my chat box is scrolled up >:

[distant fox]

thinking about changing my race

[waxen oyster]

yah seems they scrapped the 3 ilvls higher

on last 2 bosses model

[waxen oyster]

dwarf better

[desert sigil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[distant fox]

i dont care about dawrfs tbh. if i wanan roleplay being drunk okay but i want my sexy elf xD

[hearty siren]

Personally love the restealths in M+, but ye dwarf superior.

[waxen oyster]

i like nelf but

[distant fox]

and am curious how it affects those talents and if i may benefit mroe from it then from arcane torrent

[waxen oyster]

bad healers annoy me

[desert sigil]

which WA is the kingsbane + tea bar with lines etc

if someone knows what i mean

[distant fox]

with meld i can fully restealth to get IC, MA and SF up?

[waxen oyster]

only on trash

which is kinda w/e

[hearty siren]

Pretty sure it’s somewhwre in the LE group

Ye it’s mostly comfy, not that impactful.

[waxen oyster]

if you take any damage at all

you lose stealth

[distant fox]

so on bosses its just a single skill then?
thinking about trash anyways. some tanks are jsut super bad at chain pulling or letting me drop combat to get a clean opener. no they rather jump into fight wit hone 12% hp mob .

someone had issues with combat not dropping for many secondsafter last death? sometimes i wait over 10s and my tank thinks hes the issue but he plays it perfectly its jsut wow doesnt do what its supposed to do

[slate crown]

!wa It's in my profile (below), should be one of the top ones in the list

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[waxen oyster]

yeah doesnt benefit from stealth

[hearty siren]

Do we know when the tweak to kingsbane is coming? Not that familiar with patching on retail.

[sturdy mesa]

What tweak

[blazing totem]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

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[hearty siren]

We’re getting a nerf to 1,5 minutes, no? Or have i been trolled?

[slate crown]

I'll just say they specifically said there would be a tuning patch on 12/5, and that's all we actually know.

[sturdy mesa]

Unless there’s a pin about nerf/buff assume it’s fake

[forest notch]

What does this timestrike mod do on Nick of time that makes it so good

[slate crown]

You have, indeed, been trolled.

[sturdy mesa]

1% free dmg

[hearty siren]

Well call me a dingbat, my day has just been made i guess ❤️

[junior aurora]

if they were gonna tune it

they wouldnt make it 1.5 min

that would brick the talent completely lol

[sturdy mesa]

^

[placid snow]

Is the only difference using Mastery token on tier between the PvP and PvE item set 6 ilevels headstart?

CAn both be upgraded to the same amount

[forest notch]

2x daggers is 2% dmg?

[hearty siren]

That’s what I figured. Specced into Sin because the baseline seemed easy to pull off. A change in CD timings would significantly change that.

[sturdy mesa]

it's like 1.5-2%'ish with 2 daggers atleast in my experience i've always had 1.5-2% dmg from having 2 of them

[hearty siren]

And sorry about the dooming 😅 I just saw the latest pin.

[clever perch]

i had fun playing hybrid on tyranical

but i guess we back to arterial shock?

idk which one is more comfortable

i enjoyed both

[latent onyx]

how often do you need to shiv on shock

I assume every big pack?

[surreal citrus]

still save it for kb, but if there's a situation where you're going to have time to get shivs back before kb does like before rests or intermissions then go ahead

[late ferry]

What % stats should we be aiming for in raiding? Currently have 34% crit, 10% haste, 70% mastery, 7% vers (unbuffed). Hitting DR on mastery, should I aim for more crit?

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[oak tangle]

oh nice they fixed the envenom bug, how many people in shambles trying to keep up the buff cause they didn't realise there was a bug

[junior aurora]

bugfix was a nerf

[hearty siren]

Honestly you’re probably referring to me 😂

[oak tangle]

only a nerf if you didn't already adapt your playstyle to cover for it being a bug

[hearty siren]

Just gonna be an additional challenge i suppose.

[thorn fjord]

how much longer was it persisting tho

[oak tangle]

it means kinda nothing tbh, except around a rupture refresh

it was minimum 5

so all the 4cp before rupture refresh enjoyers were living life easy

[proper vortex]

Yo peeps, oes the signet brand sim correctly? Im just checking before i dont take it in vault. it sims so poorly for me.

does*

[junior aurora]

yea

its bad in aoe

if u were simming that

[proper vortex]

Naa i was simming 5 min Patchwerk

which is werid

[junior aurora]

what trinkets do u have

branch/sandglass?

[proper vortex]

yeah

[junior aurora]

thats why

[loud brook]

I thought it was multistrike

[junior aurora]

it is multistrike

just renamed

[royal lantern]

its a dmg proc

thats all you need too know

[thorn fjord]

Ashes/Crab outsims heroic brand for me

[loud brook]

bigger number

better rogue

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha

timestrike is overly complicated

for Something that in the end is litearlly "dmg proc"

[loud brook]

I mean I am all for simplifying things to people to explain it to the most people

but I also enjoy knowing exactly what something is

[royal lantern]

its more or less

[brittle burrow]

!wa

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[royal lantern]

everytime you do dmg, you have a ~10% chance too do 10% of the dmg that proced it again as a small dot

or smth like that

[loud brook]

I see

[clever perch]

how much seconds should you delay from 2nd orb to 3rd orb with witherbark's branch?

6 seconds?

[limber lion]

6-8

Ye

[clever perch]

asking to setup my wa

which number do i put then, 6 or 8 ? XD

[kind forge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[slim hamlet]

What wa is that?

[clever perch]

witherbark's branch weak aura

so u all wait 6 seconds from 2nd to 3rd orb?

or more

[slim hamlet]

That didn't tell me much

[slim hamlet]

7 is the general rule, but from 4-9 seconds there is not much difference

Just have it for your whole KB

I literally couldn't care less if I got it at 4 or 9, as long as I have it for all of KB, stressing about it too much is why people hate the trinket

[feral mason]

should i take pips or sandglass?

[faint path]

what a beautiful vault

I got socket ...

[clever perch]

[feral mason]

ye it wont let me because it says i cant afford crest upgrades

[hushed fern]

well then tell the raidbots that you can?

[waxen oyster]

does mainhand and offhand have diff upgrade tracks

or how come i dont save crests

when upgrading a new wep sometimes

[keen spruce]

finally lined up the juice on ozumat in throne

[junior aurora]

sandglass prob better

[junior aurora]

its easy to line up

i hold cds from 30% on

fuck em

[waxen oyster]

same with trinkets why is there sometimes a crest cost

and sometimes isnt

[junior aurora]

you already have a better item in that slot

so it halves the flightstone cost and makes it cost no crests

[waxen oyster]

do both trinket slots have diff reqs?

[junior aurora]

you need 2 trinkets

to get the discount

and 2 weapons/2 rings

[waxen oyster]

oh rip

does weapon matter what kind

[junior aurora]

yea

daggers and one handers are separate

[waxen oyster]

F

well my trinks to 483 are just stones now at least

[steel ridge]

and no third dps to grief you

[mild tiger]

do we use fan of knives in aoe only to apply our poison or do we actively use it to deal damage?

[cerulean walrus]

LUCKY NUMBER 33 BABY

[craggy glen]

Hey guys, can any one explain to me the usefullness of the Ashe of the Ambersoul and why it was used in Fyrakk MM by both rogue while it sim almost 2% lower than a Witherbark's Branch at the same ilvl?

[sonic zinc]

u dont have to play around ashes as much as u do with bark

and higher ilvl i think

farming a branch for RWF wouldve been too much

when theyre already doing splits

[craggy glen]

Ok, so I'm keeping my branch then

[sonic zinc]

branch is better if u can game it

[craggy glen]

Meaning I have the 10 sec of the 3 charges in the last 10 sec of KB?

[fallen knoll]

If you have ruptures on multiple enemies you just mutilate for caustic, in opener after setting up bleeds I use it to refresh poisons on em get cp for ct and then start mutilating

[sonic zinc]

eating the last charge before kb ends yea

also, might be trolly to game em in RWF anyways, fyrakk was rough

[craggy glen]

Thanks for the answer

[drifting cedar]

Guys do I take mythic legs or heroic tier set hands (it would be my 3rd piece and ai can cata head and make it 4 piece)

[coral sierra]

What gear slots can you put toxic patch on

[sonic zinc]

belt/wrists

[high ice]

if im doing keys i def want more mast and crit but how low is to low on haste?

[silk bane]

ducks are evil confirmed

[slim hamlet]

[keen spruce]

well we still needed it time it >..>

[olive wagon]

Do you guys play the M+ build in M+ or just ST with splatter?

I feel like M+ is losing too much on ST

[waxen oyster]

what losing st

still does very good

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/stabby-duck-very-mad-stabby-duck-honeyadoreyou-divya-gif-19892727

[neat pulsar]

I started the ST one with splatter, it feels nice especially when they are a lot of pack with one bigger HP mob, but not playing high enough keys to really take advantage of it

[faint path]

Ashes and branch good for m+ right?

[waxen oyster]

why both

[faint path]

cant we use both?

[waxen oyster]

why would you

[safe rover]

pippppy

[cerulean walrus]

ez legs

[royal lantern]

except

[cerulean walrus]

[royal lantern]

legs are kinda bad

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah that's why

I said legs

[waxen oyster]

tert roll

imagine

[cerulean walrus]

Huge leech

Huge indestructible

[waxen oyster]

ngl

the fall pants at 489 with double tert prob bis

[kind forge]

Else AD pants with tert would like to argue

[faint path]

why wouldn't I 😄

[proven jasper]

two on use bad

thats y

branch good dont use ashes

W

[patent gust]

!wa

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[simple ore]

I got double leech 470, will probably be using them for a long time tbh

will eventually make them 483

[waxen oyster]

idk use pips or sandglass

[faint path]

Pips never drops:D

[digital pollen]

got both pips and sandglass in vault (both 483) should i go with the sims and take the stopwatch or take pips to make my guildmates jealous?

[pseudo hamlet]

I'd personally go for Pip, it's more rare and it's overall better for all kind of content as fas as I know

[fickle latch]

Pip sims lower then sanglass for me

[grim tree]

!fuu

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[lucid rain]

show sudden demise

off-topic but what gems are we using for gem slots?

[steel stump]

So happy I did 20 everbloom yesterday and got the branch now I gotta vendor it 😭

[lucid rain]

high mastery + haste?

[inner sedge]

hi is it worth getting the augury of primal flame trinket or?

[lucid rain]

everything else looks like garbage so you may as well

[narrow osprey]

Hey friends! I've been comparing simming the highest sin vs. outlaw rogue with a regular dungeon slice (wrong way to sim?) and it seems like outlaw just sims way much higher. Are sims off in showing the power of assassination?

[lucid rain]

dungeon slice isn't a good tool to compare different specs

it's better used as a way to compare relative power of gear

and sin slaps in dungeons

[bold stream]

Dungeon slice gaming

[narrow osprey]

Alright thanks 🙂

[grim jay]

You poor thing

[real stirrup]

exact same thing with sandglass trinket

[steel stump]

[grim jay]

You poor thing²

Dunno, at this point most people only get ilvl increases anyways

[lyric cipher]

oh man i got lucky today https://i.imgur.com/iC57zI9.png

[digital pollen]

i am wondering why guides for both sin and sub say that pips>sandglass even tho sandglass sims higher for both specs in st.

[fleet pagoda]

nice nick

[swift magnet]

which build are you guys running for Fort+shades this week?

[fleet pagoda]

pips simmed low for me unless i simmed it with a powerful on-use trinket like ashes or branch. maybe there's something there? idk

[plain onyx]

I dont usually ask tbh, i take what sims higher

[keen spruce]

that's on ozumat @lucid rain

[digital pollen]

pips does sim lower for me and it does sim lower for bis gear as well, but both guides say pips>glass thats why im struggling to pick one 😄

[lucid rain]

damn

[cunning basin]

!fuu

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[junior aurora]

what guide says pips > glass

[digital pollen]

ya same, but i guess i wont see either trinket in vault or get pips from raid

[junior aurora]

its very gear dependent

[digital pollen]

wowhead

sin and sub

[junior aurora]

if you can take a 489 sandglass u literally cant get that elsewhere

also sub makes sense bc they dont care about haste

[digital pollen]

glass sims higher tho 😄

for sub

[fickle viper]

Any knowers why Cataclysmic Brand 483 sims less than a 476 sandglass? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1Ju9exLFhCwwwGEVLDkevy

Isnt that trinket a banger for all melee

[digital pollen]

looking at st tho. for m+ pips is way ahead of glass

[balmy condor]

And that’s why the guide says pips > glass

If you read the note

Where it says exactly that

[royal lantern]

hahahaahahahahhhaaahahahahah sure

[balmy condor]

Yeah I said the forbidden words

“Read”

[grim jay]

Note entirely true. Its still banger on sub

[final star]

samesies

[flint tusk]

screw this game....
https://i.imgur.com/22uIp6h.png

[balmy condor]

I mean sounds like a glove -> catalyst angle

That’s what I did

[junior aurora]

or chest if u dont have 4p

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen worse

[junior aurora]

i did a rat key on my mage and got bracers in vault, embellishment slot lol

[grim jay]

I thought maybe people will understand sins performance if they read the comment you had below the wcl post, but I kinda remembered that reading is a rough topic

[final star]

I either get head from first boss to catalust

or tier shoulders from smoldy and get head for crest saver

[balmy condor]

Do not utter the verboten word

[final star]

[balmy condor]

We don’t do that here

[grim jay]

I even said it zwei times

Where did the peepo christ emote go

[grim jay]

Best thing is if people come in saying they r something and you can clearly see they didnt by what they wrote

[royal lantern]

scaling

sim bait

outlaw

[terse orchid]

nerfs

[balmy condor]

I had a guy ask me what the stats are on bis so he can aim to something, and legit 30 seconds after I did my whole rant I had a guy ask me what my stats were

I almost lost it

[grim jay]

Dang that mustve been on purpose

[balmy condor]

You’d think

You’d hope

[waxen oyster]

aim for more ilvl

[slim hamlet]

Send pic of stats pls

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/shower-wet-socks-wet-socks-shower-socks-gif-21181578

[slim hamlet]

Uwu

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lick-fast-lick-cute-cat-cats-gif-27624519

[waxen oyster]

god those people who act like their stat percents are why their damage sucks

[slim hamlet]

Even good players do it

Must be some boomer wow gamer thing

[faint path]

When they gonna nerf fucking dh 😄

[junior aurora]

very much is

[slim hamlet]

Yea buff rogue

We are so weak

[balmy condor]

I only blame my gear when I parse under 90, and when I parse over 90 it’s all skill and when I parse 98 it’s all rng that I didn’t parse any higher

[bleak ivy]

Remove PI

[oak tangle]

I got 94's on gnarl and igira, without pi, painge

[waxen oyster]

the real sleeper is arcane mages

[slim hamlet]

Based

[waxen oyster]

and boomkins

[slim hamlet]

I mean

There is a reason that I parsed green and blue on gnarlroot and igira

[grim jay]

I should make a video on the wild things people post in the rcl notes rolling on stuff. You'd think they are capable of research if they raid CE, but man. Hunter rolling on a hero track bow for stats while he has a mythic track bow. People using wowhead for trinkets and rolling BiS on all the 4 S tier trinkets

[slim hamlet]

But purple on volo

[grim jay]

[slim hamlet]

And it was not my skill or uptime

It was because I got branch for volo

Trust me

[balmy condor]

Parse bad = not my fault
Parse good = all me baby lfg

[bleak ivy]

Remove PI

[waxen oyster]

play a spec that has 3 players

parse grey or orange

[balmy condor]

You could just say windwalker

[bleak ivy]

Feral

[waxen oyster]

survival?

[balmy condor]

Feral got played in rwf those guys have a resurgence

Survival yeh

[junior aurora]

feral always has players

[slim hamlet]

Play a spec with 3 players, play 5 dungeons, congratz world rank 10

[junior aurora]

its the furry spec

[bleak ivy]

Yeah so many feral raiders man

20 world wide

[waxen oyster]

boomkin players

have the most cooked takes

[grim jay]

But they have the best tc world

With the true and based takes