brittle quiver
ive swapped to DTB and i dont have the same issue on the exact same opening
#assassination
distant fox
what
burnt venture
I do shock blindside vr
distant fox
AP and energy issues i dont have them because of that build LOL. well i dropped the poison bomb one because it felt trash in low keys and no energy on top
subtle tundra
skrill issue
strange python
oh man someone blocked said something
distant fox
can a raider help me for my spatter on 1st boss heroic help me? does spatter dmg gets reduced if my main target has got a DR? otherwise i dont know how to help on the adds effectively
strange python
Hi, I would like to get some help. I would like to improve in raids but I don't know what are the major issues I make. If I link here our log, can anyone check it for me?
kind talon
can a raider help me for my spatter on 1st boss heroic help me? does spatter dmg...
Don’t target the boss during his phase
mystic osprey
fuck this game
waxen oyster
mydas aint bad
ashen topaz
buying Assa lessons
strange python
Do you guys refresh rupture during first SD?
ashen topaz
im simming for 90k dps and doing 45k at most :V
slow chasm
Do you guys refresh rupture during first SD?
Refresh it with your vanish at the end of your burst
only refresh gar in SD
strange python
Refresh it with your vanish at the end of your burst
And in general rupture is finisher at 4cp? Or just envenom for set?
soft sigil
im simming for 90k dps and doing 45k at most :V
Just press your buttons and manage your window better.
ashen topaz
Just press your buttons and manage your window better.
Thanks! i bet ill do 30m dps now
soft sigil
Jokes aside, managing your pooling can help a lot
slow chasm
And in general rupture is finisher at 4cp? Or just envenom for set?
general rup is just so it doesn't fall off so you can keep CS up
south wing
Thanks! i bet ill do 30m dps now
Whispyr is cracked, read one of their rotation guides for help on your burst window
ashen topaz
Whispyr is cracked, read one of their rotation guides for help on your burst win...
oki ill try, it seems like a complex dps spec coming from a healer lol
also ew melee, but its fun
south wing
oki ill try, it seems like a complex dps spec coming from a healer lol
it is but coming from disc it’s a little similar in the sense of managing your timings is incredibly noticeable the better you get
soft sigil
It really isn't when you look at what is required. Just have to make sure your brain doesn't sputter or else you lose a decent chunk of damage.
Order of operations can change your final dose by a decent chunk
mighty nexus
Yeah, with 45k dps you’re definitely doing something fundamentally wrong. I’d make sure my uptimes on rupture and garrote are solid, remember to shiv and tea during KB windows, and I’d watch Whispyrs video on pooling.
worldly wyvern
wafting twice or wafting 1 and sophic the other?
ashen topaz
it is but coming from disc it’s a little similar in the sense of managing your t...
yup i bet, just like yulon ramps with MW haha, just gotta learn the spec, i literally just used a boost for the lols (from the pre purchase) so i dont even know what half my buttons do
south wing
yup i bet, just like yulon ramps with MW haha, just gotta learn the spec, i lite...
ez rep
soft sigil
yup i bet, just like yulon ramps with MW haha, just gotta learn the spec, i lite...
If that's the situation you're in, works on uptimes like everyone is saying
mighty nexus
wafting twice or wafting 1 and sophic the other?
I’d sim it, I personally use x2 wafting bc I feel like it’s a little better for sustain on ST, but you’ll get more dps from Sophic if you’re not having energy issues
south wing
I’ve found coming from arms/ret, I can’t really just mash my buttons. Like B said, your order of operations is incredibly important
and that’s where I’m finding enjoyment in the spec
someday I will see my KB pump
waxen oyster
well if you wanna button mash you just press the activate other spec button
ashen topaz
well, i just realized i didnt even have poisons applied on my weapons 😛
so i guess thats something i was doing "terribly wrong" hehe
south wing
tuned into LordPetey for rogue stuff, he’s playing boomkin 
south wing
so i guess thats something i was doing "terribly wrong" hehe
my brother in Christ how did you press envenom and not notice
homie bout to str8 pump
they were just warming up 😎
rotund idol
Can someone help me out here I've got 50% mastery and 45% crit how tf am I still doing less than my 30% vers outlaw. Is it just bad APL?
I even simmed upgrading my nick of time to max
south wing
well, i just realized i didnt even have poisons applied on my weapons 😛
I had some goofy macro playing arms last season that kept putting me in defensive. I was wondering why my dps was so low until I checked logs and saw 80% uptime on def stance
keen spruce
Can someone help me out here I've got 50% mastery and 45% crit how tf am I still...
thats not how stats work
dark token
rotund idol
thats not how stats work
I simmed haste etc but it doesnt actually increase it
I know that if one stat is low the benefit of the others is lower too
lunar sorrel
if im focused on the M+ grind is the dagger from the infinite dungeons a good choice?
south wing
keen spruce
I'm not sure what you're asking
like
you're simming two different specs
and one is higher
and your assumption is that the apl is bad
thorn fjord
@keen spruce why does it burn when I urinate
dark token
How to summon whispyr:
I hit the 60% mastery 40% crit stats breakpoint that sin needs to scale but my outlaw sim still sims higher wtf?
rotund idol
Because the gear drops I got are mostly mastery and in terms of single target assassination should be simming better no?
keen spruce
<@119274470241206273> why does it burn when I urinate
chlamydia
dark token
<@119274470241206273> why does it burn when I urinate
UTI
rotund idol
Whilst my outlaw isnt very optimized
outer cairn
hmmm. time to sim. a heroic track pip or a mythic track ring of contempt
keen spruce
Because the gear drops I got are mostly mastery and in terms of single target as...
no
loud light
outlaw sims very high (whether that translates to real world dps or not is a separate question)
outer cairn
fuckign dagger man. jesus give me a max one in vault
thorn fjord
outlaw sims very high (whether that translates to real world dps or not is a sep...
It don’t
limber lion
sounds like a skill issue
keen spruce
with your outlaw or assas sims being different
rotund idol
also statting has roughly nothing to do
Then what does
keen spruce
Then what does
the fact that they're different specs
rotund idol
ilvl is higher on assassination too
keen spruce
and do different amounts of damage
spice surge
Sin and outlaw have the same variance 
limber lion
Well
rotund idol
and do different amounts of damage
Right and since they do different damage why can I not compare them using sims
?? xd
keen spruce
Right and since they do different damage why can I not compare them using sims
well you did. and outlaw is doing more
spice surge
Only sub is slightly lower (but not by a lot)
shy pecan
I'm trying to say that if I have 60% mastery and 0% haste obviously I sim less
You can’t just compare 1:1 with two stats. There’s other stats involved as well
keen spruce
idk where we're getting tripped up here
dusk palm
In m+ if you start your kingsbane window and then your tank chains, is it worthwhile to spend one spender on CT or just keep envenoming
rotund idol
You can’t just compare 1:1 with two stats. There’s other stats involved as well
I'm not even comparing 1:1 I'm comparing builds not stats
shy pecan
Then don’t bring in % of stats.
runic hinge
^
outer cairn
are we still simming nightly?
rotund idol
I only brought it in cause it doesnt show on the sim screenshot
shy pecan
Yeah, because it doesn’t matter.
shy pecan
The computer is trying out different combinations of gear you assign it. It doesn’t think of %.
keen spruce
because that's just kinda how it works when you compare two specs
runic hinge
Outlaw sims higher for you. What more explanation do you need
keen spruce
one is gonna do more and one is gonna do less
i'm not sure where we're losing the plot here
warm urchin
https://gyazo.com/e5c09b03b81183f65a08adb6c53df522 i definitely go pips here right? for reference i have one piece of tier but both charges and aotc coin for tier left too so could technically make 4 pc but on champion gear
rotund idol
Outlaw sims higher for you. What more explanation do you need
My explanation is what can I do to make sin sim higher
runic hinge
People get obsessed with “breakpoints” like that’s a real thing
loud light
My explanation is what can I do to make sin sim higher
higher than outlaw or higher in general?
south wing
My explanation is what can I do to make sin sim higher
more ilvl
lyric crater
is augury of the priimal flame good for sin
keen spruce
but it already has higher gear
MY BRUTHER IN CHRIST
rotund idol
you guys saying that assassination is worse than outlaw in st or what
keen spruce
NOT MORE THAN OUTLAW
runic hinge
Outlaw outsims sin in bis gear lol
keen spruce
MORE THAN YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW
south wing
are you unaware of what damage profiles are
runic hinge
You’re just asking why the robot tells you sin sims lower. And it’s because it does lol.
shy pecan
It’s not lack of patience. Just trying to get you to understand how simming works.
keen spruce
If I showed you two sims. one of a 475 assas rogue, compared to a 477 frost DK. and asked you "why is assas simming higher? is apl broken?"
you would throw a chair at me
this is the same situation
rotund idol
that isnt even what im doing its an indirect question
keen spruce
just because class is yellow. doesn't mean specs sim the same
rotund idol
Of how can I make them even
south wing
If I showed you two sims. one of a 475 assas rogue, compared to a 477 frost DK. ...
but the rogue has more mastery than the dk dude
rotund idol
Are you guys actually listening?
keen spruce
you make them even
rotund idol
I'm trying to figure out at what point do they do relatively similar damage
So I add mastery gear and I add vers gear to outlaw
keen spruce
they are two different specs
rotund idol
So what??
keen spruce
they don't just randomly do the same damage
keen spruce
whne you hit some magical number
rotund idol
im changing gear
????
are we not allowed to compare specs with different gear and different stats
south wing
so you’re trying to find what combination of gear and stats makes the two specs sim the same????
what is even going ON
rotund idol
just outlaw haters in here xd
keen spruce
you are allowed to do w/e you want. and we are allowed to call what you're doing stupid and pointless
runic hinge
Outlaw outsims sin by 6k in bis gear so like it’ll probably outsim sin unless you’re using shit gear for outlaw lol
keen spruce
okay here's how you make assas sim higher
somber sparrow
people love to defend their favorite spec, and this is the assassination thread >.<
shy pecan
just outlaw haters in here xd
Huh?
runic hinge
Use 10ilvls lower for outlaw maybe you can get assa higher
keen spruce
unequip your main hand OL wep
and sim that against your assas with daggers on
myth busted
subtle tundra
just outlaw haters in here xd
ill have you know, im the biggest
harsh anchor
spice spire
ill have you know, im the biggest
False bestie
keen spruce
I don't hate outlaw... how else would we get rid of all of our extra glue and crayons?
they're very important
south wing
spice spire
i can fight you
Okay then bozo
runic hinge
im pretty sure i can fight a dog
Maybe if you were a catfish
spice spire
Wrong channel
subtle tundra
harsh anchor
Always the right channel
cinder quartz
just outlaw haters in here xd
i am a certified outlaw lover. if the question is "what do i need to do to make sin sim higher than outlaw" then secondaries won't really play into it. like even if you go full vers on sin, it's only 10% worse than literally ideal secondaries. outlaw might just end up simming higher, and that's life. reality might not reflect this due to ease of play for sin vs outlaw, or damage profiles (burst vs consistent dps), or any number of things that affect how much uptime a character has.
hazy geyser
I think oxi would rather quit than play outlaw lmao
keen spruce
spice spire
I think oxi would rather quit than play outlaw lmao
He has played outlaw but hasn’t quit
Curious
runic hinge
i did have a catfish pfp
I remember
harsh anchor
gusty mirage
https://gyazo.com/e5c09b03b81183f65a08adb6c53df522 i definitely go pips here rig...
everyone and their mom is gonna want pips
subtle tundra
I remember
youre a real fan
gusty mirage
so ye I'd take it
runic hinge
youre a real fan
Could bring it back
rotund idol
i am a certified outlaw lover. if the question is "what do i need to do to make ...
Thanks all I asked is if apl is accurate and all these bozos wanna go hate
finite echo
I don't hate outlaw... how else would we get rid of all of our extra glue and cr...
curious statement coming from the spec that spends 45/60 seconds mindlessly tapping 3 3 4 3 4 3 3 4 3 4 3 3 4
spice spire
It is
gusty mirage
Thanks all I asked is if apl is accurate and all these bozos wanna go hate <:OME...
why would the APL be wrong
subtle tundra
Could bring it back
this guy is bringing it back. my depression
gusty mirage
if your first question is to shit on the APL
rotund idol
why would the APL be wrong
And why not we are like 2 weeks into season
gusty mirage
idk why you'd think you'd get a warm welcome
hazy geyser
idk why you'd think you'd get a warm welcome
no oxi its clearly your fault that he doesn't know how to sim
spice surge
Thanks all I asked is if apl is accurate and all these bozos wanna go hate <:OME...
You didnt ask if it was accurate, you asked "is it just bad apl?" which comes across as aggressive
finite echo
you said "something obscure about stats. is the apl bad?"
cinder quartz
Thanks all I asked is if apl is accurate and all these bozos wanna go hate <:OME...
a lot of effort goes into the creation and maintenance of the APL, i think it just comes across as a slap in the face. i'm sure you didn't mean it to be but that's how it is perceived
finite echo
if you dont see how that is just needlessly aggressive idk what to say
rotund idol
damn yall sensitive
keen spruce
I didn't even react aggressively
hazy geyser
also you are simming a 483 BiS trinket against a 470 BiS trinket, what did you expect?
harsh anchor
the apl is beans (the good beans that come from the golden retriever)
finite echo
damn yall sensitive
you're the one having a breakdown over a 3rd grade understanding of stats
rotund idol
idk why yall think im aggressive
clear shell
When I see other logs I see sins have ~25% dmg of envenom and 15% kingsbane but on mine i have 17% and 17% barely the same damn on kingsbane and envenom
rotund idol
actually a shit community
quiet forge
does the +%nature dmg with Shiv stack on target?
rotund idol
you're the one having a breakdown over a 3rd grade understanding of stats
legit look at this
finite echo
When I see other logs I see sins have ~25% dmg of envenom and 15% kingsbane but ...
are you chaining with 4p
clear shell
are you chaining with 4p
Im trying all ican
rotund idol
ur sad griff
clever sapphire
When I see other logs I see sins have ~25% dmg of envenom and 15% kingsbane but ...
send log, let someone check it, profit
lyric crater
what echnat best for sin agi or haste
slim pebble
Would you guys take BIS myth track pants out of vault or get 4 piece but it’s champion level track?
spice surge
does the +%nature dmg with Shiv stack on target?
You cannot use shiv twice and get 60% more damage no
keen spruce
what echnat best for sin agi or haste
normally wafting once you get more gear
lyric crater
o i been useing agi past 2 season i are bad lol
finite echo
Im trying all ican
if your damage share really is not normal, its going to be 4p chaining or burst sequencing - i'd review both and triple check
keen spruce
o i been useing agi past 2 season i are bad lol
It was sophic until this patch
i mean more gear rn
lyric crater
ah ty sir
cinder quartz
sim with 100% silken lining uptime 🧠
slim hedge
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
waxen oyster
silken lining assumes your healers are awake
old halo
hows this ring not on the BiS list?
clear shell
if your damage share really is not normal, its going to be 4p chaining or burst ...
Okay! I will
clear shell
if your damage share really is not normal, its going to be 4p chaining or burst ...
Any pin or ! for 4p chain?
keen spruce
hows this ring not on the BiS list?
cuz you get most of your mastery from branch and other sources
rotund idol
a lil menty b
idk how calling someone a little mental bitch is not against rules and mods are just minding their own business
keen spruce
and rings are good slots to fill in other stats
old halo
!pool
clear shell
!tier
old halo
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
finite echo
damn yall sensitive
this u
keen spruce
idk how calling someone a little mental bitch is not against rules and mods are ...
menty B = mental break
spice surge
hows this ring not on the BiS list?
Its a good ring, bis lists are silly anyway
Moving some stats around with that ring will likely end up with you simming like 50 below ultra bis anyway
It doesnt matter much
harsh anchor
subtle tundra
<:kissge:1159013256229302340>
this could be us but youre outlaw...
harsh anchor
I may be yellow but my logs are red
subtle tundra
mine are blue!
harsh anchor
now we can make purple
subtle tundra
but we will never get purple with your yellow......
clear shell
[Read About Pooling](<https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/...
Out of CDs even if i have high energy should i wait to chain envenom?
harsh anchor
strange python
you chain envenom by casting it with < 1s remaining on the buff
and yes, outside of cds you do - unless you're over like 240 energy, just send it
finite echo
Out of CDs even if i have high energy should i wait to chain envenom?
you can freely cast envenom outside of pandemic if you are going to cap energy
hazy geyser
cause yall are over an apl question so much hate
my guy... its not an apl issue, look at your trinket ilvls... a 483 twisted blades is definitely going to sim higher than a 470 branch
finite echo
normally if i'm 250+ i just press it and check again after 4cp, but there may be more rigid numbers from apl
strange python
it's 240
rotund idol
my guy... its not an apl issue, look at your trinket ilvls... a 483 twisted blad...
Well then that is an answer I was looking for
hazy geyser
Well then that is an answer I was looking for
well yeah but you asked "Is it just bad APL?" implying the problem is with the APL not your own sim. That's not the way to ask for sim help from people who spend probably 100s of hours working on APL
rotund idol
well yeah but you asked "Is it just bad APL?" implying the problem is with the A...
There's several classes with bad apl's I'm not knowledgeable on the one from rogue, we are 2 weeks into season so there could still be issues
tacit charm
whats the best flask for sin rogue?
tired shard
Can anyone link a good rotation video? I’ve only played outlaw, completely new to Sin
strange python
Can anyone link a good rotation video? I’ve only played outlaw, completely new t...
look up whispyr's youtube
don't trust anyone else's youtube
unless they're the same as his
then trust it
strange python
it's more complicated - when reading - than it is in execution
cerulean nest
what are people's sims saying about 483 hourglass vs signet
slim pebble
!up
prisma monolithBOT
finite echo
Is the rotation really 20 moves long?
taking a breath involves a dozen organs working at the same time, but its very easy. you just gotta put in reps then it's a simple motion
looks intimidating, makes sense once you've done it 30 times
tired shard
Okay sounds good. After 35 runs I finally got nick of time
So I figured I’d give sin a go. Seems like it pumps
wide ferry
how tf do we get trophies of strife? I have a ton of blood tokens but not a single trophy.
finite echo
Ye has a learning curve then I'd say it's easier to pilot than outlaw
outer cairn
ope. legion tw. time to go to our favorite place 
runic hinge
Court?
outer cairn
lol
abstract jacinth
my vault actually hates me, where branch, where nick?
thorn fjord
483 tier aint bad
outer cairn
hell that was my first vault right there
steep estuary
Question, if we get a mastery proc of some kind, does that increase damage on applied bleeds or do we need to reapply to snapshot with mastery proc?
runic hinge
Question, if we get a mastery proc of some kind, does that increase damage on ap...
Bleeds will update dynamically
eternal heath
Well boys, I might be in trouble
At this point, my biggest dps boost is likely "getting better"
steep estuary
Bleeds will update dynamically
What exactly does that mean?
wet briar
what do you drop if u want stillshroud? feint charge?
slate crown
I had some goofy macro playing arms last season that kept putting me in defensiv...
I knew a hunter once that had a pvp macro which canceled auto-shot, and couldn't figure out why his damage was so low. He had been using that macro in raid for an entire tier.
runic hinge
What exactly does that mean?
You don’t need to reapply. They will increase their damage when you proc and decrease when the proc falls off
steep estuary
You don’t need to reapply. They will increase their damage when you proc and dec...
well thats a relief lol
slate crown
At this point, my biggest dps boost is likely "getting better"
The time comes for us all.
runic hinge
I knew a hunter once that had a pvp macro which canceled auto-shot, and couldn't...
Was he farming tlpd? I left a kick macro on that had a stop attack in it for raid once because of that
eternal heath
The time comes for us all.
Did droptimizer for 483 from raid and keys and looks like my highest increase would only be about 2.4 for any slot
south wing
well thats a relief lol
I think the only thing we actually snapshot is nightstalker
slate crown
Was he farming tlpd? I left a kick macro on that had a stop attack in it for rai...
tlpd? I don't know what that is. This was back during wod, HFC
eternal heath
time lost proto drake
runic hinge
tlpd? I don't know what that is. This was back during wod, HFC
Time lost proto drake
steep estuary
I think the only thing we actually snapshot is nightstalker
Ye this i know, but i was afraid we had to snapshot mastery procs and stuff aswell lol
runic hinge
You get in a group and wanna just hit it with a kick or taunt so you can get kill credit but not one shot so others can tag
south wing
Ye this i know, but i was afraid we had to snapshot mastery procs and stuff aswe...
Improved Garrote also. You must have played feral in the past if you’re worrying about this 
steep estuary
Improved Garrote also. You must have played feral in the past if you’re worrying...
yupp that and og UH dk
i felt like i was doing something wrong, i felt that i had to snapshot more with bleeds but i guess thats not the case lol
lucid rain
the only snapshot you're worrying about is kingsbane with nightstalker
the rest is yolo
willow vine
Complained about not getting witherbark to drop right before EB ended
And it dropped, pog
finite echo
what are people's sims saying about 483 hourglass vs signet
Max signet heroic is .1% worse on my guy
spark rain
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
south wing
using one of these amazing plater profiles changed my life
eternal heath
I find it interesting that BRH pants are my biggest upgrade https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bVQ7gATAurjBp7jj8wzv4v
Must be hungry for vers haste
cerulean nest
Max signet heroic is .1% worse on my guy
it's .2% better on mine lol
finite echo
it's .2% better on mine lol
Just comes down to haste amount on sheet without hourglass probably
south wing
the hardest part of this game is getting the information you need readily available on your UI
strange python
i mean that's not inaccurate
eternal heath
Which means I guess I can focus more on io instead of farming a specific dungeon first
viral spire
alright, dont know if this question is for the tc channel but
compared to double sophic, for sin st
limber lion
Yes
slate crown
Yes?
viral spire
compared to double sophic, sub st
rare jackal
maybe
arctic hare
Haste good for sin, bleeds like haste.
viral spire
932 agi vs 1162 haste i mean
slate crown
Sophic good. Wafting good. Robit says Wafting better sometimes, so robit is right
viral spire
Haste good for sin, bleeds like haste.
this, this is new since I do not know how the bleed calculations work
arctic hare
Idk either
viral spire
haste = faster bleed ticks?
limber lion
Ye
arctic hare
I just assume since bleeds are hasted, bleeds do more damage with higher haste, so bleeds like haste.
digital fern
Is it worth taking a 480 Haste/Vers Mythic track dagger that I'm assuming will be replaced by a second Nick of Time, or take the Coiled Serpent Idol out of vault? I simmed just curious about opinions at this point
arctic hare
What’d the sim say?
viral spire
what are your current weps
digital fern
Dagger is +180 DPS over coiled trinket but hesitant since we run two Nick of Times
473 Nick of Time and Normal Dreamcarver atm
chrome mirage
Is wafting devo sim bait or just sporadic with its proc rate
static glacier
Is wafting devo sim bait or just sporadic with its proc rate
its not simbait IF you're fighting a patchwerk fight
viral spire
if u cba just take dagger - but if you are insane like me farm fall, got second dagger on my 43rd run 
digital fern
And I'm assuming Coiled trinket will get replaced by Sandglass or an ashes
runic hinge
Is wafting devo sim bait or just sporadic with its proc rate
My sim says 1 wafting 1 sophic but idk how wafting could be sim bait with how enchants are just random af this expansion regardless
digital fern
+5932 for 4/4 Myth Haste vers dagger +5789 Coiled trinket
slim pebble
Druids are bugged right now
Somehow they’re dealing a shit ton of damage with some abilities
slate crown
They're also literally bugged. Covered in fleas. Gross
ornate panther
after our burst phase with mark, kings etc should we save 1 thistle tea to tide us over for our next burst phase? or should we just send it? I wanna play assa but im so used to sub that I become energy starved so quickly lmao
lucid rain
🔪
slate crown
after our burst phase with mark, kings etc should we save 1 thistle tea to tide ...
!pooling You should get used to pooling in general for energy managment. In general if you hold your first tea for 6sec left on opener KB, it will always gain a charge back at that point for future KBs
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
smoky leaf
how do i stop getting cucked by stealth bar when trying to ambush/mutilate lol i wish there was an easy fix other than just not having stealth bar
hexed willow
how do i stop getting cucked by stealth bar when trying to ambush/mutilate lol i...
/cast [stance] Ambush; Mutilate
gusty mirage
I can’t wait to post my vault here
I pray yours is better than mine have been
smoky leaf
/cast [stance] Ambush; Mutilate
just have this binding outside of stealth bar?
hexed willow
just have this binding outside of stealth bar?
Inside and outside
slate crown
how do i stop getting cucked by stealth bar when trying to ambush/mutilate lol i...
By having the two buttons on separate keys regardless of stance
hexed willow
It’s a universal macro
slate crown
The macro helps but if you're talking about "Getting cucked" by it then the macro doesn't 100% solve the delay issue, it can still happen
It's a real pain
So, I just have separate buttons
junior aurora
you get cucked by your macro
i get cucked by my wifes boyfriend
we are not the same
ornate panther
!pooling You should get used to pooling in general for energy managment. In gene...
so after my opener, kingsbane is down, stocks are expunged.
I am mutilating, envenom, envenom while keeping garrot/rupture up?
slate crown
https://i.imgur.com/LI3ClBL.png
smoky leaf
https://i.imgur.com/LI3ClBL.png
lucky mans....
ornate panther
I know there are commands etc but im just looking for barebowns here not "vanish 6 seconds before you press this"
soft shale
https://i.imgur.com/LI3ClBL.png
manic quartz
so after my opener, kingsbane is down, stocks are expunged.
I am mutilating, e...
if you have 4p you clip envenoms at the end so you get the benefit from the 4set but yes keep garrote&rupture up and chain envenoms untill you cant, then pool
marble hemlock
<@210784027752398848>
Cheats
ornate panther
no shade to anyone ofc
ornate panther
if you have 4p you clip envenoms at the end so you get the benefit from the 4set...
mint
slate crown
The goals are outlined in the bot command I linked, but yes, you are maintaining bleeds, using envenom to maximize the buff uptime it gives you, and waiting until the last second on that buff to cast envenom again. You can use tea after that point as long as it doesn't cap your energy
smoky leaf
if you have 4p you clip envenoms at the end so you get the benefit from the 4set...
and then if ur runnig low on energy you can burn a tea as long as you save 1 for the next 1 min cd window right
slate crown
Doing so will drain you of energy
smoky leaf
to keep the chain going
slate crown
but that's ok
ornate panther
rogue has changed so much since BFA
urban mantle
https://i.imgur.com/LI3ClBL.png
Why is this BiS? I have one 470 ilvl and the dmg of time strike hits just 2.7k on a Raid Boss fight
subtle tundra
Why is this BiS? I have one 470 ilvl and the dmg of time strike hits just 2.7k o...
that 2.3k is a bonus over every single other dagger
smoky leaf
so ive only practiced Sin on a dummy, does the CD window feel way differrent once you got PI ?
prob just the same but you get more envenoms off i guess yea?
strange python
prob just the same but you get more envenoms off i guess yea?
you get more poison applications in - so bigger KB
junior aurora
you just get more AAs
smoky leaf
ahh ok
strange python
ANy time you're confused - just remember, everything revolves around KB
gaunt sigil
The only reason PI is so huge is more AA for KB
strange python
and ask yourself how
smoky leaf
oh right auto attacks are faster not gcd's
was there ever a time where pi affected gcd or am i just trippin
strange python
it does for non 1 sec gcd classes i think
runic hinge
https://i.imgur.com/LI3ClBL.png
This man is so good at the game
smoky leaf
ahhh
gaunt sigil
Well haste increases AA speed for all melee
runic hinge
I pray yours is better than mine have been
Socket?
gaunt sigil
On any energy based class your GCD is locked at 1 second. So haste instead gives energy regen
patent crater
vault question it's tuesday of course... i mainly play outlaw in keys and probably play assa in mythic raids if guildies need a fill. I got 483 myth pants and 483 myth accel timeglass in vault and kinda leaning on the pants... The dps difference seems marginal on assa
Assa:
ST: +5.9k (pants) vs +7.5k (trinket)
DS: +8.1k (pants) vs +11.7k (trinket)
Outlaw:
ST: +4.3k (pants) vs +0.9k (trinket)
DS: +11.1k (pants) vs +3.8k (trinket)
I wouldnt be THAT crazy just taking the pants right?
gusty mirage
so
chances of you getting myth track sandglass again
are super low
you have a better shot of getting myth level pants later
outer cairn
when you ping your buddy if he is going to time the key he is in with a pending server shut down 🙂
rotund wagon
What are the odds this shutdown is actually an hour
gusty mirage
it's mostly a "can you hold out for better pants later?" kinda question vs just straight up dps
outer cairn
you have a better shot of getting myth level pants later
who wears pants?
gusty mirage
cause straight up DPS, pants all day right
strange python
patent crater
it's mostly a "can you hold out for better pants later?" kinda question vs just ...
right.. but like pips is better anyways even if i just get it on hero track it's kinda whatever,. be different if it was the treebark on use trinket
rotund wagon
who wears pants?
Not the it’s a small world streaker apparently
gusty mirage
right.. but like pips is better anyways even if i just get it on hero track it'...
then pants for sure
esp cause it's massive dps gain for both specs
strange python
I got lucky and got a helm in the vault
outer cairn
c'est la vie
strange python
lol i didn't trade a hunter a ring from tides - because it was 0.1% upgrade
gusty mirage
I've taken 2 items that I can't even wear 2 weeks in a row 
outer cairn
my choice was heroic pip or mythic bis ring
runic hinge
My vault went pretty well
junior aurora
i took a necklace
runic hinge
Because I can get 4 set now
gusty mirage
I'm actually on sudoku watch
if next weeks vault is also shit
I may throw my computer out of the window
outer cairn
i just wanted a daggewr
strange python
which part?
strange python
the main box or the monitor, or all of it?
gusty mirage
all of it
outer cairn
guess i know what i'm crafting next week
strange python
when is the last time you prayed to lord ion?
gusty mirage
or we just swap to pally and ride the bench for the rest of prog
outer cairn
i sa a little prayer for you
gusty mirage
cause my pally apparently gets spoonfed all the gear with 2 options
outer cairn
forever and ever
old halo
this server shutdown to nerf assa rogues?
old halo
phew
gusty mirage
it's to fix feral
wdym, this seems fine:
https://twitter.com/snupytv/status/1729591158546792666
strange python
old halo
lmao oic
strange python
it's worse than that video i think
i saw a 1.8M and a 1.6M hit from a feral in a screenshot earlier
gusty mirage
it's worse than that video i think
wdym nothing's broken at all with druid rn
healers are supposed to do 93k dps right?
burnt shard
are non night elf assas' desperate this week? due to spiteful :' cant get my restealth Zzz
strange python
lol
gusty mirage
are non night elf assas' desperate this week? due to spiteful :' cant get my res...
toss out some ruptures and get to the next pack
it's not as big of a deal as people think
green silo
When was the 4p nerfed to deal 30% increased damage in single target?
arctic tusk
did the shock mythic build with blindside and venom rush end up being better on bosses than hybrid
strange python
shoot i've killed a couple shades, then got stealth and met them at the next pack
you know the BM's are padding on spitefuls anyway
native heron
anyone know what the maintenance is for?
gentle belfry
If sin nerfs hit hard enough, sub will be the move, right?
strange python
sub is in a pretty shitty state for smaller m+ pulls though
gusty mirage
if the sin nerfs hit hard enough the spec will be mid af
idle radish
can someone explain the difference of the 3 charts https://bloodmallet.com/chart/windfury_totem
gusty mirage
and then you flip a coin for outlaw/sub
strange python
like most of the sub dudes are pretty pissed
gusty mirage
whichever you enjoy more
gentle belfry
If sin nerfs hit hard enough, sub will be the move, right?
In raid
strange python
but yeah if sin became bottom tier, i'd run sub - but i dont think the nerfs are gonna hit that hard
our numbres are inflated for a few reasons A) aug logs B) PI
outer cairn
So nerf pi and remove aug
gusty mirage
can someone explain the difference of the 3 charts https://bloodmallet.com/chart...
ST - 3T - 5T I believe
which is why you see sub go down in 3T
cause it sucks ass in 3T cleave
idle radish
i see
rotund idol
our numbres are inflated for a few reasons A) aug logs B) PI
If you exclude external buffs isn’t sin still on top of all spec in st and high keys
On wowlogs
gusty mirage
ye it's still a top 3-4 spec
strange python
If you exclude external buffs isn’t sin still on top of all spec in st and high ...
it's tough to say but i dont think so - i think DH and BM above them
gusty mirage
w/o externals
strange python
yeah we're still up top but not AT the very top i dont think
gusty mirage
but it's just obnoxiously strong w/ PI
rotund idol
Still think it’s pretty likely to get nerfs then and since it’s blizzard it’s either nothing or everything 💀
strange python
i mean it's not an outlier without it though
gusty mirage
I hope they're not
strange python
not if your raid is worth a shit
strange python
if your raid is worth a shit, it's going on sin
rotund idol
Damn what
gusty mirage
only boss hunters should get PI on is smolderon
cause they get full value out of it
old halo
imagine having a priest in raid comp....
cunning basin
my raid has a shadow priest
gusty mirage
imagine having a priest in raid comp....
rare jackal
ok fuck branch, where is my ambersoul
dark token
Would you guys take a riverview penthouse apartment for +15 mins travel time on ur commute
gusty mirage
welcome to 5 minutes ago shmeeps
dark token
keen spruce
welcome to 5 minutes ago shmeeps
I just got here
gusty mirage
hi I missed you :3
lucid rain
the world revolves around you shmeeps
cunning basin
^
lucid rain
when you're gone we all stop
keen spruce
papa keese 
lucid rain
🛑
copper hazel
Would you guys take a riverview penthouse apartment for +15 mins travel time on ...
yes
junior aurora
Would you guys take a riverview penthouse apartment for +15 mins travel time on ...
naww
shy grove
my raid has a shadow priest
that absolute legend of the bottom
bleak sun
what does 'timestrike' mean on Nick of time mate ?
gusty mirage
what does 'timestrike' mean on Nick of time mate ?
it's just multistrike from wod(?)
bleak sun
oh ok
dark token
thats an extra 30 minutes a day of driving
I would be trading 5 mins walk + 15 mins subway for 10 mins bus, 5 mins subway, 10 mins subway, 5 mins walk
But it's the riverside penthouse view
2x balcony, one on each side
junior aurora
so you're going from 10 min to 25 min
junior aurora
yee
copper hazel
can you uber to subway
junior aurora
thats a waste of money
dark token
Yes but $ why would I do that
copper hazel
(cost though, but then youre penthouse living so you got the dolla)
junior aurora
i had to uber for a week while my car was in the shop and it was basically like i was working for free
dark token
Only reason I consider the penthouse is cause I'm splitting cost with gf and it's actually not that pricy
2k
copper hazel
fair
dark token
My current room is like 1.6
copper hazel
honestly, when you throw a bus into the mix, im not so sure now
dark token
When my boss asks why I'll give him a panorama view of my place
And say sorry 1 hr commute
copper hazel
looool
runic hinge
When my boss asks why I'll give him a panorama view of my place
Perfect
shy pecan
@keen spruce I’m in your neck of the woods during the holidays (sorta)
keen spruce
<@119274470241206273> I’m in your neck of the woods during the holidays (sorta)
i'm not famous streamer
get away from me
shy pecan
thorn fjord
Y’all see this? lol https://clips.twitch.tv/AntsyUnusualButterBigBrother-7tkCu87QZXSMCTr3
gusty mirage
https://clips.twitch.tv/AntsyUnusualButterBigBrother-7tkCu87QZXSMCTr3
@thorn fjord nah man thanks for sharing
subtle tundra
grrrrrrrrr can i get my daggerrrrrrr
thorn fjord
<@97773487619334144> nah man thanks for sharing
Oh shmeeps put it up
gusty mirage
keen spruce
<@97773487619334144> nah man thanks for sharing
it's like he doesn't even scroll up 
dusk summit
Does anyone know if we have a choice what tier slot do we not wanna use tier?
green silo
grrrrrrrrr can i get my daggerrrrrrr
467 ilvl rocking two 450 daggers 
gusty mirage
Does anyone know if we have a choice what tier slot do we not wanna use tier?
gloves or pants, dealer's choice
shy pecan
Imagine wearing pants
flint tusk
Y’all see this? lol https://clips.twitch.tv/AntsyUnusualButterBigBrother-7tkCu87...
"IT WORKED" yeh the ban button does indeed work xD
dark token
gloves or pants, dealer's choice
Honestly I pick head
dusk summit
gloves or pants, dealer's choice
oh ok i was think we would drop pants or chest due to the vers
dusk summit
but chest has low vers compaired to crit @gusty mirage
gusty mirage
ye
all stats are good
so you can legit change whatever piece you want
realistically
cursive marsh
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
thorn fjord
Honestly I pick head
Heroic non tier pants are almost a 2% upgrade for my loadout lol
Hoping they drop tonight
bright cipher
"IT WORKED" yeh the ban button does indeed work xD
If it was done in like heroic/mythic raid yes, but world boss and only once (maybe even for the sake of testing and bug reporting?) its kind of safe
flint tusk
tell that to the guy who did reckoning bomb
dark token
Like assa bis has stacking crit mastery haste on all pieces
Then a massive vers ring
If you use a diff ring it's ok to have vers on everything
bright cipher
i mean, i have tested and reported quite a few bugs like that, not even once got a ban, and rexxtroy made his entire channel based around that.
gray raven
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
tiny valley
Team, question for on use trinkets. If i'm already running witherbark and i have a chance to grab ashes out of vault or signet brand, is there any scenario where double on use can be used correctly for our windows or is the passive brand just better to avoid clunkiness?
slate crown
Oh realms back up
slate crown
Team, question for on use trinkets. If i'm already running witherbark and i have...
Double on use doesn't work well
It's jsut better to do on use/passive
tiny valley
I figured as much, was just wondering, due to ashes unique drop off, if there was a scenario where we got the benefit during setup of window and then found a way to get witherbark going in window to double dip or soemthing
i was finding ways to over justify in my head probably
oblique kiln
looks like im running branch and ashes now after my vault trying to figure out best time to use them in my opener and in general since they share cd
slate crown
I wouldn't
real stirrup
how do people find Galakrond's Fall? Those mob packs before 3rd boss - if you want to practice your rotation it's those mobs. Fastest burst in all of the lands
slate crown
I would just get a better passive option and pick between ashes / branch
oblique kiln
its either ashes or the bombs from last tier
charred mango
most likely yes, 10 seconds
tiny valley
ya bomb puts it on the standard 10
charred mango
it was really frustrating when I had beacon/bombs and kept getting beacon on another 10 sec cd
slate crown
Then you can likely do bomb on pull, ashes at the normal time after
tiny valley
it's annoying as fuck haha
slate crown
because ashes you wouldn't use until 3 sec into KB which, on non accel opener, is after 10sec
Or just use branch and delay it from deathmark a bit and gather orbs quickly
oblique kiln
think ill just do bombs and ashes until i find a nice passive trink
seems way less aykward
gaunt moat
https://clips.twitch.tv/AntsyUnusualButterBigBrother-7tkCu87QZXSMCTr3
What am i seeing?
Why are they hitting so hard?
soft shale
What am i seeing?
Why are they hitting so hard?
heart of the wild and things
gaunt moat
It makes feral spells do 900k all of a sudden?
dense thorn
I saw it was ok to envenom on 4cp now but all the top logs seem to only do 5+cp. So not sure which is correct.
rain oyster
dont judge me but i burned my new catalyst charge solely for transmog 
gusty sleet
judged
keen spruce
What am i seeing?
Why are they hitting so hard?
bug
past forum
kekw i was doing hardmode doti with my guildies to do the achievement. of course nick drops when i'm in m0
hushed fern
I saw it was ok to envenom on 4cp now but all the top logs seem to only do 5+cp....
4 in kb
past forum
350 nick sims higher than my current offhand lol
hushed fern
For easier multiclassing with sub
For easier reroll when they gut us next balance patch because they can’t fix aug you mean
pale wave
what build this week for keys?
spice surge
Same
keen spruce
Same as every week
pale wave
shock?
raven egret
So, we dooming about possible nerfs next week? 😄
gaunt moat
So, we dooming about possible nerfs next week? 😄
What if they actually make KB not affected by haste 
spice surge
Its not affected by haste already
gaunt moat
Its not affected by haste already
lucid rain
I appreciate that the artist of that gif didn't show the hook impaling the fishy
gusty sleet
I wonder what the most sought after class is for m+ and raids. Like, is it a certain tank, healer, dps, like, I wonder what raid groups and m+ groups salivate over lol
solar eagle
how much crit vs mastery should i have? not including the corrupting flask
sweet dawn
what build this week for keys?
The same build as every week, Pinky
solar eagle
cant tell if i should be using hissing rune or buzzing run
dusty phoenix
I wonder what the most sought after class is for m+ and raids. Like, is it a cer...
Aug woker
gray crest
https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449
KB is not effected by haste
gusty sleet
You'd think because there's so many of them they'd be in demand less xD
tired shard
Ok I think I have the basic rotation down. But I run out of energy in the first 40 seconds. Aren’t some of the dots supposed to generate energy?
gray crest
the damage increase is from getting more AAs from haste
slate crown
Ok I think I have the basic rotation down. But I run out of energy in the first ...
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
slate crown
you're supposed to run out of energy, it's how the spec works
gaunt moat
KB is not effected by haste
Double bait even when i say i'm baiting 
gray crest
Bro you can literally look up KB on wowhead and see the lack of "Spell haste effects periodic" flag on the spell
gaunt moat
Is he trolling me now?
errant willow
Arterial Shock talent for mythic for both tyrannical and fortified is looking good no?
gray crest
instead of typing that message you can literally google it yourself
cloud vortex
what are you bursting for on big pulls? I cant keep up with bm or dh and hitting like 500-600k sometimes and they hit 1-1.4m
gray crest
not you sticko, just realized you mightve interpreted it as directed to you. talking to notter here
errant willow
😂
frigid spindle
!wa
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Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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gaunt moat
instead of typing that message you can literally google it yourself
Bro I wrote it as a joke
I said i was baiting 😂😂
Me
gray crest
and what part of anything that you have said during this interaction would lead anyone to believe that you were joking
ornate wagon
is assassination is going to be nerf
drifting cloud
yes no maybe
earnest remnant
him posting a baiting gif, then later saying "double bait even when i say im baiting" id say that shows pretty well, that he indeed was baiting
dark token
is assassination is going to be nerf
When assignation nerf
dusty phoenix
Double baiting is actually a double negative so he was being serious
dark token
Too high DPS per secone
runic hinge
When assignation nerf
R u bizard
earnest remnant
gizzard
runic hinge
Slizzard
That was a good time. We need to go back to when everyone was getting slizzard
outer cairn
man. droptimizer says that a 483 ashes would be a -1.3% over 467 sandglass and branch. granted i do need to probably upgrade those but i'd rather get them on hero track first
dark token
When branch nerf
lucid rain
thorny pond
man. droptimizer says that a 483 ashes would be a -1.3% over 467 sandglass and b...
Double on use is not good
outer cairn
true
final trench
Q: when I am garroting from stealth in AOE opener, can I cast 3x on same target, or do you have to target swap?
not sure how this interacts with smart targeting.
thorny pond
Q: when I am garroting from stealth in AOE opener, can I cast 3x on same target,...
You can but you’d lose out on 2 extra targets
spice surge
Everytime you cast it will apply to your target and two extra targets
Doesnt matter if your target has garrote up or not
final trench
Ok, so its not a problem then?
Also how do keys work this week for us? I cant stealth, no Indiscriminate carnage. Feels bad, is there a work around? I assume its just manualling dotting everything.
thorny pond
Stay back and stealth, shadow dance, vanish
pure sinew
can i macro shadow dance and mirror to kingsbane?
gaunt sigil
I just try to vanish between things spawning
thorny pond
Up to you how to proceed, tank will start towards next pack, you can finish the shades and drop combat
Or just go into next pack, could be one or two targets then just manually dot. Lots of factors
final trench
OK thank you!
urban rampart
For Luxthos WA package does anyone have an edit like outlaw does for the stealth windows?
slate crown
can i macro shadow dance and mirror to kingsbane?
Typically macro trinkets into DM, but yes you can put Shadow DAnce in with kingsbane
final trench
!WA
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sullen forge
Hello, I'm kind of new to the spec, what is the potion that is used for stats in raid?
wicked zodiac
guys the trinket of the fyrakk is good to assassination ?
[Augury of the Primal Flame]
junior aurora
naw
static glacier
not particularly
wicked zodiac
hmm
deep latch
soft shale
uh not the best spread
but just sim it
assa can kinda work with all stats if you balance it well somewhat
slate crown
I guess is an 83k fire shield every minute useful? Probably on some fights, we'll be proccing it on cd
soft shale
would need some trink to proc the fire one
slate crown
To get the nature shield, yeah. I'm just ignoring that part, we'll reliably have the fire shield
Idn, it doesn't sound like a whole lot to me either way
brave stump
Ahhh why is assa in m+ so difficult
runic hinge
Lots of spinning plates
brave stump
I need a prem8 tank otherwise im losing sanity
I thought not being able to restealth on outlaw is ass but wtf is assassin
wide ferry
keys can be ez af or a nightmare solely depending on the tank
learned thatt real quick
quiet oar
I thought not being able to restealth on outlaw is ass but wtf is assassin
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
- You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
cerulean nest
for the SBS build, would we still just flip over to caustic if needed? or does caustic necessitate the non-SBS build
steel spire
!pool
brave stump
I mean the dmg isnt that big of a Problem but trying to get energy reg going feels impossible
misty holly
**Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might t...
Stealth is a much bigger deal with the new IC. Before at least you could just spread non-boosted garrotes if stealth wasn't an option
Now you just don't spead shit
spice surge
That thing was made for 10.2
urban rampart
Is it viable to macro Ambush with Mutilate, prio ambush if in stealth? If so does someone have that macro?
red jacinth
buddy do i have good news for you
hexed willow
Got mythic shoulders in the vault to get 4p 😄
red jacinth
Is it viable to macro Ambush with Mutilate, prio ambush if in stealth? If so doe...
no macro required, the game just does that for you now
oblique kiln
amp,deadly,atrophic,crippling the default raid poisons on DtB?
kindred flare
no macro required, the game just does that for you now
I think that's only when you have a blindside proc, no? I can still mut from stealth and keep ambush on my bar also.
kindred flare
Is it viable to macro Ambush with Mutilate, prio ambush if in stealth? If so doe...
You can with a stance macro, but it won't work with blindside procs, better to just have on your bars IMO
red jacinth
am outlaw main, so maybe it's a bit diff with sin rogue if so apologize
real stirrup
quick question regarding Chrono-Lord Deios, if an orb targets you do you HAVE to stay in it?
slate crown
The "Ambush Replaces Mutilate" only applies to blindside. For Stealth swaps you need to 1) Use a stance bar, and place ambush and Mutilate on the same keybind slot. 2) Don't use a stance bar, and use a [stance] macro to swap between them. Or 3) Just have them on independent keybinds with or without a stealth bar.
I do 3. You can do any of those.
vast flame
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:0] Sinister Strike
/cast [bonusbar:1] Ambush
i use this, it seems to work
spice surge
quick question regarding Chrono-Lord Deios, if an orb targets you do you HAVE to...
One person has to stay in and one has to move out
Up to you to decide who does what
slate crown
quick question regarding Chrono-Lord Deios, if an orb targets you do you HAVE to...
Orbs target 2 players, it prioritizes range specs and drops an orb under them, Standing under it will make it drop slower. If both hit at the same time, or close to the same time, you wipe. Before the pull your group should decide who is standing in one and have them assigned for the whole fight
red jacinth
oh i use a stance bar, sorry for any confusion 🙂
real stirrup
great thanks
slate crown
Typically groups always assign this to range if for some reason it's targetting melee
so in most cases, you move out of it, unless someone died
In which case, have to watch and think on your feet
(Assuming you are a rogue, being this discord and all 🙂 )
lucid rain
slate crown
Grats
sage igloo
Kinda want to use embersoul so I dont have to do the kiting orb thing with witherbark
frosty wagon
you guys running Arterial shock this week in keys?
real stirrup
you guys running Arterial shock this week in keys?
yee
slate crown
Kinda want to use embersoul so I dont have to do the kiting orb thing with withe...
I've had branch since day 2 of patch, and it really gets easy to do eventually, however, I do understand that sometimes I just want to press my trinket button and stop thinking about it. It's not as much effort as some people make it out to be, but it is undoubtedly more effort than ashes is
sage igloo
I've had branch since day 2 of patch, and it really gets easy to do eventually, ...
Its not hard
slate crown
Especially like, if I am not thinking and the boss is doing big movement but I cast DM + branch
and have to keep moving
sage igloo
its just annoying
raven egret
Considering my options I have currently, real happy I got branch. GOt used to it, was a bit awkward on Smolderon at first
lunar sorrel
out of curiosity, when i teleport into or out of a dungeon my lethal poison falls off even if it has plenty of time left on it. is this a known bug?
lost hamlet
!fuu
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muted ridge
That was a thing ?
distant carbon
any thinkers
hollow fulcrum
what is the best rogue spec for beginners
balmy condor
That was a thing ?
dw bout it
cursive frost
whichever feels better to you
floral mural
Sandglass or signet brand for raid tonight? same ilv brand seems inconsistent or am i crazy
abstract jacinth
when to use tight spender vs improved ambush in raid?
eternal heath
hmm did 3 minutes of slapping, was at 135k when I walked away
Looks like I am falling quite short from the sim amount lol https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e7uNZq2jkv7UfPX4SHUv6E
balmy condor
when to use tight spender vs improved ambush in raid?
you'd take improved ambush in any boss fight, and you'd take tight spender if you're an idiot
eternal heath
But I also didn't use vanish because that usually messes with details
abstract jacinth
oh i'm an idiot so I'll take tight spender, thank you
balmy condor
np
tough skiff
is the nerf around the corner or not?
balmy condor
Rest in piss
I'm resting in so much piss
cunning needle
Until then please try your best to resist the urge to cry about stuff that could, possibly, in the future, maybe exist. It’s unnecessary, thanks
tell that to my extensional dread @balmy condor
blazing jewel
blazing jewel
I'm resting in so much piss
Login babe it’s time for splits
balmy condor
> Until then please try your best to resist the urge to cry about stuff that cou...
hello fimjsdlkajlkjser's existential dread, stop dooming
woeful meteor
you'd take improved ambush in any boss fight, and you'd take tight spender if yo...
checked if people are actually playing tight spender, basically first one I see
balmy condor
Login babe it’s time for splits
sorry, I'm not cringie
balmy condor
<:xdd:1091136339371638784> checked if people are actually playing tight spender,...
see, I wasn't kidding
slate crown
That was a thing ?
Nice.
cunning needle
hello fimjsdlkajlkjser's existential dread, stop dooming
thanks
native mason
<:xdd:1091136339371638784> checked if people are actually playing tight spender,...
o/
woeful meteor
o/
eternal heath
extensional dread kek
proper forum
Does the 2% dmg per poison apply to non-lethal?
woeful meteor
yes iirc
shell lodge
is there a resource to find sim numbers on toxic thorn footwraps vs no embllish vs slimy boots at equal ilvl ?
blazing jewel
You can sim it on your own character 
cunning needle
is there a resource to find sim numbers on toxic thorn footwraps vs no embllish ...
you should also not use slimy boots
strange python
Finally my first dagger after 20 tries only counting the completed runs xD
balmy condor
20 aint bad
green silo
up to 22 Fall runs and nothing
proper forum
Oh I see
strange python
Man all the leaver runs cuz healers couldn't heal 2nd or 3rd boss
balmy condor
people in here that cranked out 40-50 runs before seeing a dagger
quiet oar
Just loot it 5head
strange python
isn't 2x bis tho ?
strange python
True simming always matter
balmy condor
yeah ofc 2x is bis
you tell me
when I'm getting a 489 in my vault
and I'll wear it
quiet oar
when I'm getting a 489 in my vault
Next week i promise
surreal citrus
Finally my first dagger after 20 tries only counting the completed runs xD
my friend is on run 50 of waycrest for his trinket for warlock
pale wave
I got 489 not first vault, all my luck is gone now
strange python
Ahaha fair Whisper x)
obsidian walrus
!WA
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surreal citrus
i made a crafted mh im good on daggers unless i get a myth track in vault
strange python
my friend is on run 50 of waycrest for his trinket for warlock
Yea a guildie farmed 29 WC for trinket and followed 17 runs BRH for belt xD
surreal citrus
imagine farming that hard for anything not a trinket or special effect weapon
strange python
Yea not my drift but if they got the time xD
balmy condor
he wanted the mog man
hollow fulcrum
what should my highest dps be
elder juniper
do you use a macro for shadowdance + kingsbane?
balmy condor
farming for a very specific off piece sounds like either someone who doesn't get out of the house enough, or someone who grinds on a bis list mindlessly because it says bis in big letters so it must be better
surreal citrus
at least 5
balmy condor
do you use a macro for shadowdance + kingsbane?
ye
balmy condor
what should my highest dps be
havoc dh idk
junior aurora
farming for a very specific off piece sounds like either someone who doesn't get...
how bout you mind ur business
surreal citrus
ok belt farmer
hollow fulcrum
i meant what damage ability should be my highest damage
surreal citrus
i got a belt
no dad no
balmy condor
i meant what damage ability should be my highest damage
in what situation, per single click or in total, with what build
hollow fulcrum
uhm
potent forge
during our vanish window at the end of KB, I know we are refreshing garrote, but are we also refreshing a rupture or throwing envenom instead?
junior aurora
single click, full aoe but 3 of them are 99% damage reduced and there's an unknown count of the rest of the mobs, st + ic
hollow fulcrum
jesus
balmy condor
not exactly
cause envenom has like 3 sources
and sanguine gets rolled together
that's probably better
indigo jetty
Hey @balmy condor! Sorry for the direct ping, but I saw your Mage Tower guide wasn't updated to the rework from Patch 10.2.
I don't play rogue, but just got it done under 8 tries with this build I just made ( BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfslmkkISQAAAAAAItkItkAAAAAAAtmkgEIJplSSSQikEkkUUiEA )
Maybe it can help updating the guide and others getting their tower set.
balmy condor
questionable build
but yeh
I don't know what my bosses want me to do with the mage tower page
we weren't told to update it
probably cause its piss easy now
idk
lunar sorrel
was gonna say yeah you save them for the KB/SD window, every minute
strange python
!dagger
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lyric cipher
i'm so glad i'm out of Everbloom prison
strange python
Same that tho only took me 11 runs xD
willow grotto
Without 4p play around sanguine blade, with 4p don’t play around, pref play around chain envenom ?
earnest sparrow
!wa
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strange niche
send CDs on pull for Gnarlroot?
rustic minnow
There was a bug with envenom duration?
junior aurora
send CDs on pull for Gnarlroot?
yes the intermission isn't until like 1:45 in lol
strange python
Yea but likely do a faster opener cuz depending on how fast you are at burning roots you won't get a full KB off in the Dmg increase periode after intermession
reef oxide
what part of our opener would be the ideal time to get PI?