assassination

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, he's been performing exceptional on many different specs, which makes him so valuable.

[winged sun]

you know better than scrype, you recruit for rwf and you know all the rogues in the world

[junior aurora]

kush/perfecto are better on rogue than they would be on what swag is playing on

[plain moon]

Kungen is a better rogue than kush,perfecto combined

[storm forum]

IMO, these guys are in echo/liquid/whatever because they have the focus to play 12 hours of wow a day for a month, and be better than 95+% of players while doing it. They're probably top 1% of players, but so is almost everyone in the HoF. What sets them apart isn't pressing their buttons better, but being able to press them just well enough and do that for weeks and have it not completely ruin their performance.

[sturdy mesa]

Bro what is this chat

[marble hemlock]

I mean, you're the one talking out your ass about "who the best player" is, when those very players made significant rotational mistakes for the first week of the RWF. That ain't exactly the hallmark of "the best player in the world" now, is it?

[runic hinge]

The echo rogues didn’t use dance to snapshot kb until Fyrakk

[winged sun]

and do you think that "the best player" wont have these mistakes?

[marble hemlock]

Exactly this. It's not like a handful of players magically are better than the rest of the entire playerbase.

[winged sun]

theres no player that has no mistakes

[marble hemlock]

Playing your rotation wrong, as far as mistakes go, is a pretty big one.

[twilit hollow]

Best player wouldn't have continued doing it for a week straight

[oak tangle]

i'd be curious to see how well some "shit" rogues would do with 480 funneled gear in 2 weeks

[oak sky]

rotation is literally 90% knowledge 10% mechanics

[winged sun]

and where will kush, perfecto and jpc be doing rotational mistakes

[oak sky]

if you cant do the knowledge part thats on you

[strange python]

Do you all use the arterial shock build for both tyra and forti weeks in m+?

[weak sierra]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[winged sun]

im genuinely curious

[grim jay]

I mean he told you about the kb mistake already

[marble hemlock]

You could give Stealthi the gear and prep that some of the RWF rogues get, and he'd do the same if not better DPS. But I don't know if he'd be able to keep that level of performance up after 2weeks of consecutive raiding 14+ hours a week.

That's what makes the pool of RWF-viable players so small.

[runic hinge]

I do but you can play whatever you feel like

[velvet robin]

I think this bot is rage baiting

[grim jay]

Jpc did some weird stuff aswell iirc

[winged sun]

better than all 3 of them? lol

sure

[grim jay]

I mean this time, before aswell tho

[marble hemlock]

The man has been farming #1s for multiple tiers. Yes.

[rotund oak]

stealthi is boss,he's rly shy though 🔥

[winged sun]

and echo's private logs aren't rank 1''s at all

[strange python]

Thank you

[marble hemlock]

They are not, no.

[winged sun]

liquid's private logs aswell

yea ofcourse, because you have access to them

they are rank 1 parsers? no

they do know how to play their classes better for sure

[oak tangle]

i mean, technically, they were rank 1's

[sturdy mesa]

i mean they are rank 1 until other people get to the fights

[oak tangle]

XD

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure there is a public kush log

[winged sun]

literally

lmao

[grim jay]

Wdym

[marble hemlock]

1/1 true

My bad

[storm forum]

I think some of the knowledge/rotational stuff is whatever. Most of these guys are multiclassers and are not stalking every TC chat for most optimal play for all their toons while they're grinding renown/M+/splits.

[winged sun]

nah i think he saw that they aren't r1's

literally the first rogue to kill the boss

isnt the best

[waxen oyster]

what is swag even playing rn

[sturdy mesa]

Nah it's rage baiting aint no way

[waxen oyster]

doubt it's ww

[marble hemlock]

he played hunter for prog

[sturdy mesa]

[grim jay]

Killing the boss is a group effort

[oak tangle]

i mean that's not really a conclusion you can make, first does not = best

[velvet robin]

First the worst second the best!

[winged sun]

no dude im just saying that echo has the best players in the world, and saying that all rogues in echo and liquid can be destroyed by stealthi is extraoridinary

[storm forum]

snapshotting hasnt been a thing for years, if they didnt think to do it on a newly reworked spec until 2 weeks later, thats fine imo, at least someone finally told them and they figured out how to do it

[waxen oyster]

tbh im surprised by the double enh choice

[winged sun]

idk why ur talking about stealthi as if he never makes any mistakes and plays better than raidbots

[marble hemlock]

If Liquid would've won, would they have the best players in the world instead? Is that the kind of argument you wanna make?

[runic hinge]

Snapshotting a thing every day for feral

[winged sun]

when did i say that? lol

echo historically have been the best players in history of wow

[marble hemlock]

Well your argument is "they killed the boss first, ergo he has to be the best player at that class"

[storm forum]

ngl, I prefer boomie on my druid

[keen spruce]

30% CONCENTRATED POWER AND WILL

[winged sun]

even if liquid wins i'd still think that echo has the best palyers

[grim jay]

Its a basic dance rotation like you have on sub for ages tbf

[winged sun]

for example shakib is the best dh in the world

[velvet robin]

How does your logic work 😂

[winged sun]

you cant argue with that

[oak sky]

avade

[twilit hollow]

Avade

[earnest remnant]

avade

[twilit hollow]

Lul

[marble hemlock]

That's actually not true. Echo historically have had the best multiclassers in the world. Player for player, Liquid typically have a stronger roster.

[earnest remnant]

HANDS DOWN

[storm forum]

sorry tony, but actually if i wanna be a cat and use combo points, I'll play resto before I play feral

[keen spruce]

AVADE

AND IT'S NOT CLOSE

[twilit hollow]

Deluded ass outlaw otp

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JVsTx/42189a1edf.png
Since when is Shakib on Echo?

[storm forum]

I want to like Feral, but I don't

[winged sun]

not true? they legit have the most world firsts LOL

what do u mean not true

[waxen oyster]

idk some people i know say its hawkerton

[winged sun]

???

[waxen oyster]

or w/e

[winged sun]

i literally said liquid a msg before

it was a follow up

???

[sturdy mesa]

ferals are honorary assa rogues we like them

[earnest remnant]

you do realize that you can have a "stronger" roster on paper

[marble hemlock]

You said Echo has the best players in the world, then go on to say Shakib is the best DH.

[velvet robin]

Method actually has the most world firsts no?

[runic hinge]

It’s just sin with some other snapshot stuff

[storm forum]

I like most feral players ive met

[earnest remnant]

and it not being what ends up winning right?

[runic hinge]

And worse defensives

[oak tangle]

the best rogue in MY world is me ❤️

[storm forum]

but idk, I get lost

playing it myself

[waxen oyster]

wanna know how to trigger boomies

[marble hemlock]

Nah dude. Killing first = youre the best. Nothing else matters.

[earnest remnant]

there is a reason why we have the meme knows as "Super teams"

[winged sun]

echo has the best players but liquid can still have a few players that play better than some of echo's players in terms of class

[oak sky]

say their class is op it guarantees theyll cry for a month

[waxen oyster]

tell them why do they die when they have a defensive with no cd

[winged sun]

for example firedup is the best mage in the world

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure stealthi is better than the liquid rogues atleast

[waxen oyster]

aka bear form

[marble hemlock]

So they're not the best players then?

[winged sun]

yea stealthi is better than everyone, jpc, kush and perfecto

[marble hemlock]

If someone else is better

They cant be the best

[velvet robin]

Ah zeross just listens to who gets hyped up during streams and goes off that, i get it now

[oak tangle]

stealthi is better cause he shitposts in here

[twilit hollow]

Hes just engagement baiting at this point he's bored at work hoping for content

[winged sun]

he literally said that echo's players dont have the most world firsts

[grim jay]

Wouldnt say kush or speed

[winged sun]

thats the most cooked thing i've read all day

[modest gale]

He's delulu

[orchid pewter]

Guys, Zeross is a known cooked take human in the outlaw channel, dont listen to him

[winged sun]

nah stealthi is better

[earnest remnant]

feels like you have talked yourself in circles zeross and its biting you in the ass now

[winged sun]

thats what they say atleast

[rotund oak]

that would make sense yeah,im kinda on the same boat with you on this

[velvet robin]

The players do, the guild doesnt.

[waxen oyster]

i mean kush definitely has a louder personality

than perfecto

[marble hemlock]

So what is it. Does Echo have the best players in the world, or are there players on Liquid (or elsewhere) that are better?

[winged sun]

yea thats what i said in that sentence?

[warm parcel]

Yall arguing about best rogues but not even mentioning flowi

Smh

[winged sun]

there always has to be a mix up lol

[marble hemlock]

Because hes a warrior main, obviously

[winged sun]

u cant just say echo has the best players in every class and spec

[oak sky]

i vote weak for best rogue

[storm forum]

best rogue is pikaboo

[marble hemlock]

I mean, you did.

[winged sun]

says the assa rogue

[runic hinge]

It’s actually only the two guilds with good players. Outside those 40 people everyone else is shit

[grim jay]

#pvp

[warm parcel]

Ive nothing but grey parses

[sturdy mesa]

Everyone knows the best rogue is literally @clever crow

[winged sun]

i literally said that liquid has shakib and fired up ?

[runic hinge]

Based af

[oak tangle]

the best rogue is that one guy who hates whispyr and keeps wanting shiv banned or someshit

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JVsU2/9c959eefec.png

[modest gale]

And tht makes ppl think hes the best, just like in NBA Jokic has no social media ppl dont talk about him as the best player

[winged sun]

ur just dropping random accusations now

[winged sun]

yes never heard of a general statement?

[earnest remnant]

you have literally talked yourself in circles man

[storm forum]

hold up, I hate whispyr but i dont remember saying anything bad about shiv

[marble hemlock]

I mean, if you say things, I take those things at face value.

[winged sun]

for exampel germany has the smartest scientists in the world, every scientist is the smartest in the world now? is that what ur saying?

lmao

[twilit hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[winged sun]

answer that now

[fallen knoll]

Retail pikaboo classic pshero

[winged sun]

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor who's the guy who keeps calling for shiv nerfs on wowhead posts

[marble hemlock]

Can you like... Just talk less, or retain some internal consistency in your arguments? Otherwise you're just trolling.

[twilit hollow]

Please God make him stop

[grim jay]

Not its just that in general he comes across as the better player for me. No specific personality reason

[oak sky]

bro what are you even saying now

[runic hinge]

He def trolling

[storm forum]

its 340 am and i cannot stop myself from listening to the voices theyre so funny and silly

[balmy condor]

Xaethron

[oak tangle]

he's the best rogue

[winged sun]

ok sorry i'll send less msg's

[blazing jewel]

best rogue is meownar

[obtuse ruin]

I think seliathan is secretly enjoying watching someone be dumb af

[grim jay]

Do they? I dont think so depending on the field of expertise

[arctic tusk]

should I be pooling if theres gonna be an intermission anyways or just send as much as I can before it (thinking nymue intermission where you get some time to run to tree and get energy back)

[winged sun]

i only meant it as a general statement seliathan

[latent onyx]

anyone else have the issue where sometimes your kingsbane / dance macro only uses dance and not KB? Is it due to being out of range or something. Anyway to change the macro to avoid this?

[winged sun]

not that every player is the best at all specs

for example narcolies didnt know what beacon is on ghuun when he played holy till boss died

[oak tangle]

could be out of range, could be you are in a gcd

[blazing jewel]

dance is off gcd kb is on gcd just spam it a few times when you press it

[rotund oak]

whaazz is twice as good a rogue than pikaboo.Pikaboo is faster,whaazz predicts and plans ahead.Even nahj is better than pikaboo,u are kinda on the dark here

[winged sun]

they literally laughed it off after the boss died

[latent onyx]

I didnt even think of the GCD thing, thanks!

[winged sun]

their healer had irl work thats why he didnt attend the kill

the healer was their officer too

forgot his name

[sturdy mesa]

Who?

[winged sun]

they weren't as serious as they are now tho

[obtuse ruin]

Bro what even is your definition of best player? World first?

[winged sun]

i dont remmeber

[twilit hollow]

Xirips

[sturdy mesa]

Asked

[storm forum]

the classic instinct/reaction vs planning/reading, I think its a wash. I said pikaboo cause I like his name better than whaazz's

[sturdy mesa]

[winged sun]

yea i think him, druid right?

[runic hinge]

You’re at work but you type like you’re 15 years old

[waxen oyster]

howton

[fierce marsh]

!pooling

[grim jay]

Doesnt that rather proof that they arent necessarily the best ?

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[waxen oyster]

that man is illegal

[winged sun]

relax dude

[waxen oyster]

albeit he streams like twice a year

[oak tangle]

working age is 14 here

[marble hemlock]

What I'm trying to get at Zeross, is that your judgment of what constitutes the "best" player is incredibly reductive and warped. And it's not helping anybody, especially when you're actively idolizing people who messed up fundamental rotational things.

Like you said, that's not that big of a deal (it kinda is, but w/e), but it doesn't help anyone to argue in bad faith when people point out to you that there are indeed better players out there. Just because they don't raid in RWF guilds, doesn't mean they don't have a better grasp of how to truly minmax the DPS of any given spec.

[winged sun]

no i dont mean that every player is the best at all specs, thats my point up there

[rotund oak]

judging from names man.. whaazz(his name is oscar btw 😄 )

[earnest remnant]

At the end of the day, you can find Rogues in top 100 that are better at Rogue / Specs than people that are in the RWF

[marble hemlock]

Absolutely

[oak tangle]

they are just worse at being in those guilds

[storm forum]

I don't wanna know whaazz's irl name

[marble hemlock]

The question is, can they do that 14hrs a day.

[rotund oak]

[storm forum]

no doxing pls

[winged sun]

i mean i know i agree because i played with perfecto in a key season 2

[waxen oyster]

yeah besides hes known to play troll shit

[winged sun]

but

[marble hemlock]

It's much easier to peak performance when you do it a healthy amount of hours a day/week.

[waxen oyster]

like sub outlaw

[earnest remnant]

while keeping the mental and consistency at a top level

[runic hinge]

For a month straight while having no RL responsibilities that would keep them away

[winged sun]

perfecto was playing sub i was playing outlaw in bracken hide during their splits he was way more geared than me i did more overall

[velvet robin]

Lets be honest most people who are in that position probably play wow for 16hours a day

[earnest remnant]

They would 100% be better RWF players, than those said rogues

[winged sun]

when sub was at its prime, but my point isnt that really

[earnest remnant]

but they wont be as good damage wise

[marble hemlock]

It's a very different thing to play WoW 16hrs a day, or raid RWF progression 16hrs a day.

[winged sun]

its just that how these players in top guilds arent the best

[remote heath]

must mean youre better than him then

[winged sun]

i just dont know why wouldnt they be the best

[earnest remnant]

it just depends on what you classify as "Best"

[velvet robin]

True, some of us love doing dungeons 16 hours a day 😄

[winged sun]

ikr

[earnest remnant]

best at what?

[rotund oak]

im aware man 😄 but no,whaazz sits on the throne,nahj is very close coz he is incredibly experienced,fast and potent

[storm forum]

I can barely raid for 3 hours straight, I'm really impressed by the WF raiders raiding for 12+ hours.

[earnest remnant]

thats the issue

[winged sun]

dps

[keen spruce]

what kind of 13 year old school yard shit is this

[runic hinge]

Max has said on stream that they take personality into account too

[winged sun]

the whole argument was dps stealthi

[earnest remnant]

then they arent the best by a long shot

[storm forum]

and M+ is the same, after 3 or 4 dungeons, I need to lay down

[earnest remnant]

there are many rogues who crank better numbers

[wild walrus]

trying to min/max your dps while 1 seed explosion can wype the raid monkaS

[oak tangle]

listening to max's stream and they're all just popping off in comms mid pull, i can see that lol

[grim jay]

Its just like in every game. Take LoL for example, there are potentially better players on their champpool than the players on pro teams aswell. Pro team just puts in more time and is more consistent

[marble hemlock]

Pmuch all the RWF raiders are easily in the 98th or 99th percentile of their class, but there's many other players within that subsection of the community as well. What makes them RWF raiders isn't their spec performance, but the soft skills and time commitment they bring.

And imo, player for player, Liquid has a stronger roster, Echo just has a better analyst team and can multiclass a lot better.

[winged sun]

i know i did beat perfecto in a key when he was playing sub, im just talking about kush

kush really brings out impressive numbers

[earnest remnant]

but those said rogues would most likely not be able to keep up that performance like they need to for RWF going for 14 hours straight

[winged sun]

especially on sub rogue

[keen spruce]

i'm going bedge

[rotund oak]

i beat seliathan twice in arena on my alt rogue,he rides a rank 1 drake i dont,what does that even mean

[keen spruce]

this conversation is booty juice

[oak tangle]

there is literally one tricks that they pay in dota to coach pros on them. As a pro you have to multi spec, can't one trick

[winged sun]

ok i agree with you and stealthi now, but kush on sub, would anyone be better than him? because the cd timings that echo uses usually are copied by all guilds

[marble hemlock]

No one is arguing that he does great DPS. but doing great DPS doesn't make you a great raider, or the best.

[blazing jewel]

queue the clip of sleep deprived stealthi swimming on magmorax (I did the same thing dont flame)

[earnest remnant]

magmorax

[blazing jewel]

yea

words

[marble hemlock]

It's hard to say how great his DPS was, since we can only glean the assignments he had when to pop CDs. What I do know, is that he had ridiculous gear early on, that the other rogues did not.

[blazing jewel]

was thinking lava boss lol

[winged sun]

kush u mean this season?

hes like 480 right

[earnest remnant]

just for sake of argument i did 40k more dps on smolderon on our kill and i was dead for 20sec

[marble hemlock]

Ye. Jeath showed some Tindral logs at times, and he was doing considerably more DPS on boss than Perfecto, for example, but Perfecto did more on vines

[winged sun]

is that the kill on mythic

[earnest remnant]

yes

[marble hemlock]

I highly recommend to stop judging playerskill off of details.

[storm forum]

I'm thinking way too far ahead here, but if I'm forced to play sub on smolderon, can I play it with toxic boots/patch or should I craft other stuff?

[winged sun]

ok then would you have a player whos the best

or is there nobody being the best at all

[marble hemlock]

This.

That is how the player who are at the very top think. Most of them, anyway.

[winged sun]

ok ok

[oak tangle]

you can't define best, so you can't have a best

[marble hemlock]

You're part of the group of people who are the best, but in a game like WoW, there's really no #1

[royal lantern]

details lost most dps value it had after aug release anyway, so idk why peeps look at it out of context in a random stream pic lmao

[twilit hollow]

It's literally impossible to judge accurately outside saying "these ten are probably the best in the world at x spec"

[rotund oak]

that applies in pvp a bit though

[modest gale]

U cant define the best onto scripted stuff

[marble hemlock]

You can have a "these guys are just better than everybody else", but within that group, theres no ranking anymore. Its the same in m+ and PvP.

[winged sun]

M+ team is really obvious tho as a team echo's team was unbeatable

[earnest remnant]

you just get a group of idiots, that gas each other up Pxb, Push and Me all saying the other person is better

[runic hinge]

Whispyr number one parse in my heart. Goat rogue

[winged sun]

usually ahead of every other team

[marble hemlock]

Except for the times they got beat, you mean?

[winged sun]

especially in high key push

[balmy fog]

What’s ur go to play on a dps healer in 2v2s

[winged sun]

by andy?

echo wasnt pushing that time

[rotund oak]

pvp channel

[marble hemlock]

They lost UB finals against Monka, for example

[junior aurora]

dorkis team beat them too

[oak tangle]

wait, i know who the best rogue is it's one of these 3

[marble hemlock]

And then turned it around in Grand Finals.

[winged sun]

they wont win every time bro

but like

high keys

not events

[marble hemlock]

I mean, if they're the best, they should, right?

[winged sun]

they actually were always the best

[marble hemlock]

Unless, of course, it's not that simple...

[junior aurora]

they dont even push high keys anymore

[winged sun]

everytime they did they were rank 1

literally everytime

not a singel season where they tried and didnt get r1

[marble hemlock]

I mean... that's just false

[winged sun]

what season is it then

[earnest remnant]

last season of bfa

CHINA NUMBAH ONE

[marble hemlock]

Cause we didn't get r1 in BFA, and I played with them in BFA. And we didn't make r1

[arctic tusk]

should I be pooling if theres gonna be an intermission anyways or just send as much as I can before it (thinking nymue intermission where you get some time to run to tree and get energy back)

[winged sun]

did they even push last season

[marble hemlock]

Cause vibezz trolled our toldagor

[junior aurora]

they dont push on live anymore

[marble hemlock]

And I trolled our KR

[winged sun]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-bfa-4/all/world/leaderboards-strict

[junior aurora]

understandable on both though, fuck those dungeons

[winged sun]

look

echo isnt pushing that season

[marble hemlock]

Ken has never pushed highkeys, really.

[grim jay]

You mean just like logs now with all those Bugs

[oak tangle]

send it, optimal is to never cap on energy, but always have some

[winged sun]

its just andy's team

[marble hemlock]

The only people pushing are robin and gingi

[winged sun]

i already said when andy's team was really ahead, echo wasnt playing that time

[waxen oyster]

honestly had a really good team

[marble hemlock]

Oh yeah actually

[waxen oyster]

the one legion cup they played

[marble hemlock]

Nibren is probably

Just as good if not better than Kush

[earnest remnant]

nibren is nuts

[marble hemlock]

100%

[oak tangle]

my homies

[marble hemlock]

Nibren is actually insane

In every sense of the word

[earnest remnant]

boomer and a god

[winged sun]

in what guild is he

[marble hemlock]

@light jacinth Stop making everybody else look bad bro

[earnest remnant]

Honestly

[grim jay]

Nibren is still playing?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[waxen oyster]

nukkz was also really good

before he quit

[oak tangle]

i wonder how well an OCE m+ team would do if the comp wasn't at like 4 am with 200 ping

[winged sun]

best M+ tank i ever played with was andybrew

100%

that guy makes you enjoy the key

totally

holy fuck

[marble hemlock]

Fem/Robin/Andy/Divine all up there for sure

[waxen oyster]

didnt they take first or second

[marble hemlock]

A class of their own

[earnest remnant]

i have a guildie that would disagree

[waxen oyster]

in that legion cup

[junior aurora]

oce teams dont play on 200 ping when its a full team of oce players lol

[marble hemlock]

Personally I always loved playing with Fem

[earnest remnant]

divine is something else tbh

[marble hemlock]

Absolute goat

[winged sun]

andy is definitely oen of them

divinefield yea

[oak tangle]

is tournament realm not US?

[marble hemlock]

Divine is just always fun to be around

[winged sun]

he won first mdi ever

[junior aurora]

oh tournament realm

[earnest remnant]

he is just way to smart

[marble hemlock]

They didnt. Honestly did

[winged sun]

rly?

i thought they did

[marble hemlock]

Free Marsy or whatever they were called back then

The team, that is

Oh nvm, Honestly lost to Free Marsy.

[waxen oyster]

wasnt that team

[twilit hollow]

@marble hemlock when Christmas hat for cat pfp

[junior aurora]

don't recognize any names on free marsy

[waxen oyster]

basically what became ethical

[winged sun]

oh i guess they won the 2nd one

then

[marble hemlock]

Ye

I mean, the first MDi was kind of a meme, but ye

No timetrials etc.

[winged sun]

divinefield won 2nd i guess

[waxen oyster]

ashine still plays or?

[earnest remnant]

ye

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lick-fast-lick-cute-cat-cats-gif-27624519

@marble hemlock

[twilit hollow]

Lmfaooo

[earnest remnant]

evening Nibren

[winged sun]

man i hated that mdi so much

[earnest remnant]

stream on when?

[marble hemlock]

Anyway. My advice: Don't judge playerskill by how much DPS they do. Raidleaders don't. RWF guilds certainlyd ont.

[winged sun]

because shakib couldn't tank

[marble hemlock]

stream when nib?

[light jacinth]

tmr

[marble hemlock]

he said that 6y ago already

[earnest remnant]

no raid today?

[marble hemlock]

i think

[twilit hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crunch-cat-crunch-emote-crunch-emote-gif-5506737341963771034

@light jacinth

[marble hemlock]

nib is the best rogue in the world cuz he has the best muskelbruder gifs

[junior aurora]

shak tanking streams were the best part of bfa

[winged sun]

legion

he didnt stream bfa much

i dont know if he ever did

[junior aurora]

i came in legion super late, antorus

but shak streamed a ton of bfa

[earnest remnant]

Also is Aussie so thats +10 points for great accent

[junior aurora]

and then he stopped

[winged sun]

o ye i guess

his stream was at its prime in legion

[light jacinth]

na not on tuesdays

[winged sun]

when he was r1

[junior aurora]

now you just get the biannual dose of shak/firedup memes from liquid race

[winged sun]

i wish shak streamed again

that guy is so funny to watch

[junior aurora]

growl/dorki kinda replaced it but i dont think anything can truly replace it

[winged sun]

firedup was a normal person until shak showed up

[willow kite]

When do we typically use ashes? I remember the truly optimal way was a manual timing, but otherwise would you send on DM or KB?

[marble hemlock]

jb/shak/darkee/marv gang

[winged sun]

holy shit

[marble hemlock]

was good memes for sure

[winged sun]

yea

dude i remember when darkee was playing monk out of nowhere

[light jacinth]

we came 1st and 2nd at first mdi

[winged sun]

and nobody knew why

[runic hinge]

3 seconds into kb or on kb for like .4% loss

[light jacinth]

6_6

[waxen oyster]

darkee was like

random shitter guild to spk

[oak tangle]

do you think ping played a part?

[waxen oyster]

to limit

iirc

[winged sun]

while everyone was seeing him do 12093210391230 dps

the neverybody started playing monk

[light jacinth]

no

[blazing jewel]

nibren guy do I play sub on tindral

[light jacinth]

we didnt have high ping

[willow kite]

Thanks, it'd be interesting to know at what point it's better to just use ashes instead of branch - like how badly do you need to fuck up branch for it to be straight up worse

[oak tangle]

yeah but is that just aussies saying not even high? cause NA get madge over anything around 120

[light jacinth]

there was oce tournament realms too

[oak tangle]

oh

that's good

[willow kite]

branch feels kinda wack on some encounters

[junior aurora]

oce is good

[storm forum]

branch only loses like 1% if you collect orbs too fast

[junior aurora]

shame bc back before cross faction groups, on alliance all the good alliance were oce

but playing with them meant playing with 150 more ping

[runic hinge]

Probably if you’re having trouble with the mini game because of mechanics ashes could be better but idk

[storm forum]

It's really too bad that Ashes's debuff lasts through second KB

[oak tangle]

is such a quirk that oce was like the only alli area

[marble hemlock]

its just kinda annoying to play on nymue/smolderon

branch, that is

i fucking hate it

especially cuz

6 other people also pop theirs

so you cant see shit

[blazing jewel]

branch feels badddd on opener for tindral

[willow kite]

yeah

[grim jay]

Justin Bieber?

[royal lantern]

nymue branch is....yeha

you use it, and then its kinda rng lmao

[willow kite]

when we do fucking 30+ hc clears

can't see shit captain

[marble hemlock]

id trade my branch for soul any day

fuck branch

[junior aurora]

branch is pog

[light jacinth]

and nah seli im washed up now

aged gamer

not as good as i was

[earnest remnant]

was fine for me on Nymue but i got annoyed on Smolderon so i decided to use it on 1st intermission and just stand still and let them come in

[light jacinth]

cogs are slow

[marble hemlock]

same bro

[cunning basin]

Everyone out here stealing branches from trees, rip the trees 😔

[marble hemlock]

were all washed

[spiral pasture]

soul probably better anyway if you actually manage to use the effect before cds

dropping to 10%

[earnest remnant]

if you are washed then WTH is the rest of us?

that aint fair man

[marble hemlock]

my name used to mean smth and now look at me

[royal lantern]

who are you

[light jacinth]

i dont rly play for ranks anymore

[marble hemlock]

im your father

[junior aurora]

now your just the guy that posts the eu hour updates on raider io

[light jacinth]

if thats what you mean

i had my peak in bfa/sl

[marble hemlock]

i mean, playing for ranks kinda shit anyway

and too RNG

[royal lantern]

so i hate you?

[earnest remnant]

nah your gameplay still clean af nib

[marble hemlock]

"yay my sophic/wafting procced during CDs"

[light jacinth]

sometimes

[storm forum]

Seli are you still writing IV guides?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[marble hemlock]

yes

well, outlaw/assa, oxi is doing sub

[spiral pasture]

now its also nooo guild killed boss 30 secs faster than last week so i didnt get a execute dm

[winged sun]

wait so u do play outlaw

[marble hemlock]

i do not

[storm forum]

i feel like i had a followup questions for that

[marble hemlock]

last time i played outlaw was nathria

[storm forum]

but i forgor

someone tell me to go to sleep pls

[earnest remnant]

WHY VIGOR?????

[marble hemlock]

cuz i liked it

[winged sun]

go to sleep

[marble hemlock]

but ye thats another example

[junior aurora]

based

[storm forum]

can someone without a yellow name tell me to go to sleep?

[junior aurora]

the damage you could do by just putting your own favorite talents as the outlaw build

[junior aurora]

bedge now

[storm forum]

thanks

[wild walrus]

BoE or iris ?

[marble hemlock]

i was #1 outlaw in m+ for a while, and i played vigor instead of mfd, even though mfd was clearly superior. obviously i wasnt the best, and other rogues prolly did more dam than me.

[junior furnace]

any macro for Deathsmark + Kingsbane?

[winged sun]

go to sleep

[junior aurora]

i feel this though

[earnest remnant]

i was a seli enjoyer back when his twitch wasent Seliathan, but incarnate

[junior aurora]

vigor >>> mfd

[marble hemlock]

rank is meaningless once youre in the top10~ish of players

same with parsing

[earnest remnant]

i just log on and play

[winged sun]

i can go red too

[marble hemlock]

theres probably a lot of shitters in the top 98th percentile parsers

and a lot of incredible players in the 95+

[earnest remnant]

im having more fun just going for speed kills

[keen spruce]

shitter here

[winged sun]

seliathan do u still go for glad

[marble hemlock]

nah

[winged sun]

or

[marble hemlock]

the fact you say that, makes you not a shitter

i stopped playing arena in wrath

[wild walrus]

98 not soacking. take all dmg. real affix for healer. just zogzog

[winged sun]

i always see u with tbc glad mount

[marble hemlock]

and this may sound arrogant, but the reason was, it was too easy

[light jacinth]

seli can u tell realz not to nerf assa

[marble hemlock]

he has me blocked

[winged sun]

[marble hemlock]

at least he memed about it once

[earnest remnant]

just play sub nibren

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-guts-berserk-gif-25103745

[earnest remnant]

nobody is playin g it

[light jacinth]

i have been

on tindral

[earnest remnant]

so they dont know how good it is

[marble hemlock]

sub on tindral

[light jacinth]

yer idk

[marble hemlock]

nice troll

[light jacinth]

if u look at tindral

its not ok either

lmfao

[marble hemlock]

i think

[light jacinth]

we need roots damage man...

[marble hemlock]

playing sub on tindral is trolling

dont @ me

[marble hemlock]

get a ret

[earnest remnant]

@marble hemlock wrong

[light jacinth]

we have 1

[marble hemlock]

wait you have one already

get more

obviously

[light jacinth]

and im still topping anyway

[marble hemlock]

and more hunters

[light jacinth]

boss dam that is

so

[rotund oak]

what was that priest u were playing with?

[light jacinth]

we have 2

[winged sun]

outlaw is the only way to play tindral

zac will agree

[cunning basin]

False

[earnest remnant]

zac is stuck on smolderon playing sub

[twilit hollow]

Nibren doesn't play for ranks he plays for banger music during his pulls

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[twilit hollow]

Drowning out his raid leader

[earnest remnant]

how would he know

[light jacinth]

https://i.imgur.com/8WDWQRu.png

[earnest remnant]

why would you drown out him

his accetn is perfect

[light jacinth]

thats from our lowest wipe atm

on boss

[marble hemlock]

never played with priest. we played RMD in TBC, daisy (who won blizzcon a few years ago) and phildryzen. in wrath i played with gaara and later with 2 friends who no one knows probably, tiar and erah

[light jacinth]

[winged sun]

sub kinda blasting or

i see numbers, sub good

[marble hemlock]

and we trolled tournament realm in wrath

after which i quit

[cosmic kernel]

are you guys using two thistle for 2min kingsbanes?

[winged sun]

i always heard that u cant win vs rmt

[rotund oak]

im getting rly old,was always under the impression u did rmp,thanks

[winged sun]

why didnt u play with a priest

[marble hemlock]

cause RMD > RMP

[winged sun]

idk if its a meme

rmp*

[earnest remnant]

still cant get over seeing blueprynt not on pala

[winged sun]

ye

[marble hemlock]

we dabbed on RMPs

[rotund oak]

now u ar ecoping hard but ye,they ar epretty close,rmp more agreessive

[marble hemlock]

it was better in tbc

[waxen oyster]

didnt you have to play something else in wotlk

because dks invalidated rdruids

[marble hemlock]

i played dk in wrath

[light jacinth]

true actually

[rotund oak]

ye 100%

[jade abyss]

That cat gifs killing me all time haha

[winged sun]

rmp was undefeatable from what i always heard

[marble hemlock]

we played dk/rogue/pally in wrath

[marble hemlock]

WLD > RMP

[twilit hollow]

I'm aware of the tech

[light jacinth]

[winged sun]

ye but rmp somehow works on all expansions

[twilit hollow]

[winged sun]

because all their cc's are seperate

[junior aurora]

bc it fundamentally works

classes just line up super well

[winged sun]

yea

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/plenk-cat-kot-plonk-gif-27710663

@twilit hollow

[marble hemlock]

ye wasnt the case back then. gouge/poly shared DR; so did fear/blind

[subtle tundra]

grrrrrr tonight tindral prison starts

[marble hemlock]

so cyclone was better

[clever sapphire]

nope, i always have 1 tea ready for kb

[subtle tundra]

i escaped smolderon but im stuck on tindral, he better get nerfed today

[marble hemlock]

than priest fear

[winged sun]

cyclone is the most annoying ability you could get cc'ed on

[marble hemlock]

also poisondispel, against those pesky hipster hunter teams

fuck cherezz (i love him)

but fuck his scorpion

[junior aurora]

hunters get their day in a yaer

[waxen oyster]

back in the day clone wasnt on fear dr

[junior aurora]

when cata comes out

[stable flint]

What can I do next week as assa in m+ with spiteful? :c I won't get combat end right?

[junior aurora]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[winged sun]

man i want mop sprint back

that shit was wild

[subtle tundra]

use sd for redotting instead of kb

[marble hemlock]

if you kill packs evenly, you can still stealth before they actually spawn

[winged sun]

annoying but wild, the energy cost was abit ass

[cosmic kernel]

and the reason for not using two is?, figured with 3 charges and 1min refresh u can have two ramps with 2 thistle in them per fight

[junior aurora]

people didnt even kill packs evenly this week when it literally kills you to drag out the deaths

[rotund oak]

i played scooby doo as well,actually was my highest rating in 3s.Tried some thug cleave with 2 glad boys but didnt work 😦

[marble hemlock]

ye idk, i remember playing TR and feeling stupid op

[winged sun]

dude wtf is a scooby doo now

[marble hemlock]

because it was

[waxen oyster]

what about piss cleave

/j

[winged sun]

why do pvp's have the funniest names

LOL

[clever sapphire]

i usually use my tea charges to keep up my envenom chains, and save one for the last 6 seconds of KB because thats where the most dmg comes out

[marble hemlock]

i remember beating smashs RMP 1v3 (well, with risen ally which was insanely broken lmao)

[clever sapphire]

(may just be a feelcraft thing, but longer envenom chain is more dmg than first 6 sec of KB with tea imo)

[marble hemlock]

was good memes

[rotund oak]

risen ally

absolutely broken

[winged sun]

yea boss im going home my scooby doo team is waiting in wow i gotta get the rat moving while using my keyboard

[junior aurora]

actually it was a mouse

[marble hemlock]

i never liked all these fancy names

[junior aurora]

the fancy names just make it hard af to tell what the team is from outside perspective

[marble hemlock]

except for african turtle cleave

that one rocked

[junior aurora]

yeah like

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-miyav-kedicik-kedi-gif-1521585749929372542

[junior aurora]

what the FUCK is african turtle cleave

[waxen oyster]

i found it funny in bfa s4 none of the na teams played spite

[winged sun]

there was one with turbo

[waxen oyster]

meanwhile turn on an eu stream

[winged sun]

i think jungle turbo or something

idk

[waxen oyster]

spiters all over

[marble hemlock]

protwarr/mm/hpal

[cosmic kernel]

has this been simmed, or who can i ask about sim here?

[winged sun]

dude

when prot pala becomes op

pvp gets so annoying

like really annoying

[junior aurora]

where does the african part come in

[waxen oyster]

jungle is hunter feral

[plain moon]

I thought it was prot hunter and druid

[winged sun]

i have very bad memories playing vs prot pala's

[rotund oak]

the rally/slam build right? that was meme AF

hahahaha

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/hollyweencandy-cat-cat-drink-milk-cat-eating-cat-drinking-gif-16978701194275077898

[light jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/200271102977507328/1143632766395744276/qeliameow.gif

[clever sapphire]

do a quick 5 min sim, check if the bot wants to use 2 teas where you want it to. For sims either check in tc-research or try to get whispyr to answer

[junior aurora]

the only way to get whispyr to answer without pinging him is to post some unhinged heinous shit like dropping iron wire or some new sepsis tech

[winged sun]

thanks for the advice btw seliathan

appreciate it

[marble hemlock]

idk

[waxen oyster]

dropping iron wire

i need more damage

/s

[marble hemlock]

no worries.

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-21985672

[marble hemlock]

think you could replace the healer, but hpal was tankier cuz bop/sac/bubble

couldnt go on any of them

cause theyd all retreat into their shell

[rotund oak]

and the warr could actually oneshot u

[winged sun]

why am i only seeing cat gif's when i look at nibren's chat history

[plain moon]

Sometimes they just add it in for the memes. You got Mongolian earthworm cleave (enh,moonkin,priest)

[marble hemlock]

mass spellreflect was just a bad idea

[light jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/809954503046332459/1097999985687134300/bounce.gif

[plain moon]

Makes sense, you’d know better than me anyway

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/barbed-wire-ready-fast-spring-gif-16285481

[light jacinth]

i only pop in when @'d

[marble hemlock]

ye that ones a callback to the african turtle cleave i think

[light jacinth]

or post cats

[rotund oak]

😂 the memories man

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27567306

[marble hemlock]

idk wrath pvp was a meme

mostly cuz dk sigils were busted for 2 seasons in a row

[rotund oak]

totally

[winged sun]

i loved playing frost mage in wrath

[junior aurora]

dks were disgusting in wrath

but i guess they were supposed to be

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thousand-yard-stare-thousand-yard-stare-cat-ptsd-cat-soldier-cat-war-gif-9110270742088459827

[marble hemlock]

idk

[twilit hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sign-meow-cute-gif-23164763

[junior aurora]

fond memories of leaving that starting zone, level 58 queuing into bgs and being one man armies

[winged sun]

spamming 20k frostbolts or was that in cata idk

[marble hemlock]

i certainly didnt enjoyspamming icy touch in 12 out of 13 GCDs

[winged sun]

dont remmeber

i think 20k frostbolts was in cata

[junior aurora]

20k frostbolts in wrath would 3 shot people

3 shot tanks

[light jacinth]

@vernal adder

[terse orchid]

Wait, we're not supposed to drop iron wire for something that actually does damage?

[marble hemlock]

iron wire is a dps talent, change my mind

[winged sun]

i only remember spamming 20k frostbolts

i didnt know how to press anything else as much

[junior aurora]

you sure it wasn't frostfire bolts

[winged sun]

oh

ye

frostfire

[junior aurora]

that was cata yea

[clever sapphire]

i dont see iron wires in details, its not dps

[winged sun]

o right, cuz it was the big bg

big bg was in cata

the one where u take tanks

[earnest remnant]

why does discord always put shit like that on max volume

[winged sun]

and destroy the gates

[junior aurora]

wintergrasp was wrath

[winged sun]

no

[earnest remnant]

my ears man

[winged sun]

the dark one

not winter

[light jacinth]

[junior aurora]

tol barad

[plain moon]

Most fun I’ve ever had in pvp was playing on a tbc private server years ago. Comp was 3 rogues and a fury war (all the people with first 2x glaives on the server) then a hpal. Was the most zugzug 5s team

[winged sun]

i think that one yea

[terse orchid]

Only if you think using combo points to stun is a valid use, but again, no dps

[twilit hollow]

How often does your raid lead tell you to turn down your music on average

[light jacinth]

uh

i couldnt hear them

[winged sun]

where u fly on a ship

and jump

[light jacinth]

if they did

[junior aurora]

thats isle of conquest

[earnest remnant]

"wouldnt know"

[junior aurora]

i think maybe also wrath

[winged sun]

on enemy's base

[marble hemlock]

[earnest remnant]

"to busy vibin"

[light jacinth]

yer thats all aberrus was

[earnest remnant]

thats me AF

[light jacinth]

music at max

cant hear anyone

[earnest remnant]

the longer the night goes

[twilit hollow]

Nibren and verrsdk streams bis vibes

[earnest remnant]

the louder the music gets

[junior aurora]

what did u need to hear in aberrus

[winged sun]

but yea i do remember frostfire bolt i had it on 3, idk how it procced but i always only pressed it when it procced

[junior aurora]

all those fights are just vibe

[marble hemlock]

ranged dps lamenting echo of neltharion line of sight

[junior aurora]

self explanatory

[light jacinth]

aberrus SUCKED

[winged sun]

man

[earnest remnant]

ONG

[junior aurora]

ranged dps dont get an opinion, they have the easiest job in wow

[light jacinth]

https://imgur.com/a/l4F8Dbr

[marble hemlock]

you looking forward

[winged sun]

if u look back at wow, being an absolute casual was really fun

[marble hemlock]

to six more months of amir?

[plain moon]

For me it’s the more tilted I get. I start a night full comms no music, end it not being able to hear discord if we wipe all night

[light jacinth]

its a very fast raid to reclear

[earnest remnant]

ive just been ripping Sleep Token 24/7 lately

[light jacinth]

so

[terse orchid]

aberrus was fine, but then again i only cleared it on heroic for gear a bunch and then dipped lol

[light jacinth]

it will be better than aberrus

[terse orchid]

A raccoon of culture

[marble hemlock]

depends on how they nerf tindral ig

can see tindral being a pain to reaclear

[clever sapphire]

my guild wiped 18 times on second boss before caling the raidnight, i probably have more than enough progging left for this tier

[light jacinth]

a little yer

everything else is fast though

[winged sun]

the way i look at it if the raid is good is if the last boss is a good fight and if the raid is the worst in all of the expansion

[waxen oyster]

echo farm

[winged sun]

for me, aberrus is the worst in this expansion

[light jacinth]

i think amir bosses are all pretty good

[waxen oyster]

wondering if the dragon is gonna be a terrorist

[marble hemlock]

reclearing will prolly feel nice

[waxen oyster]

this week

[light jacinth]

design and fight wise

except

council

[marble hemlock]

cuz you will skip most of the dogshit fyrakk/tindral last phase stuff

[light jacinth]

FUCK council

[junior aurora]

fuck council

[earnest remnant]

based

i aint wanna be a duck man

[light jacinth]

go to bleed up some shit

teleport

[marble hemlock]

i thought id hate nymue but i actualyl like it

[light jacinth]

get ducked

stand in a charge

[clever sapphire]

only good part about council is becoming a duck

[light jacinth]

fuck off

[earnest remnant]

shadowstep

[winged sun]

whats the best fight u guys like the most out of all raids

[earnest remnant]

teleport again

frontal

[marble hemlock]

uunat

[earnest remnant]

DUCK

TELEPORT

FUCK

[junior aurora]

uunat killed my guild

cool fight but

fuck that guy

[light jacinth]

i think uunat is definitely my top 3

[winged sun]

i enjoyed cenarius as prot pala alot

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-dancing-duck-walk-away-gif-21526535

[oak tangle]

@keen spruce in shambles

[light jacinth]

we killed that prenerf with 4 mintues left on the reset timer

[winged sun]

unpopular choice

[marble hemlock]

uunat/leishen/etraeus probably

[royal lantern]

omw too duck the melee group

[winged sun]

star augur was fire for sure yea

[plain moon]

Council actually worse boss I’ve every played. Would rather play Zskarn over and over

[terse orchid]

That goblin engineer from SoO. Solo'ing the conveyor belt was peak wow raid

[royal lantern]

litearlly every council fight ever

[winged sun]

holy fuck yea

[royal lantern]

[junior aurora]

council is too early in a raid to be the worst fight ever

[light jacinth]

zskarn is definitely my least favorite boss of all time

[winged sun]

the one with the drills coming up

from under

omg

[terse orchid]

Yeah

[junior aurora]

imagine if council was hard

[winged sun]

that fight was insanely good

[grim jay]

Sludgefist
No I kinda really liked mannoroth for the sub gameplay and denathrius in general

[earnest remnant]

so based

[clever sapphire]

only council fight i enjoyed was in the first raid, cause assa was fun on that fight

[earnest remnant]

i hated every sec of that fight

[terse orchid]

Getting to decide which mechanics come when based on what you destroy on the belt

Combat rogue before they ruined it

[winged sun]

legion had the best raids imo

[marble hemlock]

i only raided highmaul in wod, but ive heard many say that blackhand is one of their alltime favs

[winged sun]

100%

[terse orchid]

I miss SoO

[junior aurora]

argus bis fight

[plain moon]

Say that to my guild. We raided an hour of overtime just to kill it tonight

[marble hemlock]

mop raids were all goated

[junior aurora]

its week 2 tbf

if you were having to prog it in 3 weeks time

[winged sun]

i liked mop raids especially SoO, but i find legion being better for me atleast

[marble hemlock]

24minute sha of fear

[junior aurora]

it would be a much worse fight

[terse orchid]

Highmaul made me not want to do BRF. What kind of moron decided to put one dagger in the fucking raid and then give it shit stats and only drop from the hardest boss

[dusty trellis]

true

[terse orchid]

I was so done with WOD after that

[grim jay]

WoD raids were kinda fire aswell

[terse orchid]

Dont think I ever got that dagger even

[winged sun]

dude wod

omg

archimonde mythic

[marble hemlock]

[winged sun]

literally did it all for me

[marble hemlock]

imagine not playing combat

in wod

[junior aurora]

was noncombat even viable until cata

[terse orchid]

I did play combat, but only because of the dagger issue

[winged sun]

hfc was the best raid in wow history imo

[light jacinth]

combat>outlaw

always will be

[terse orchid]

sin has always been my one true love and if remotely viable i play it

[marble hemlock]

wod combat was peak class design

[junior aurora]

i feel like you had to play combat until like, firelands

[marble hemlock]

dont @ me

[light jacinth]

red buff ks

[twilit hollow]

@final star

[light jacinth]

nut

[winged sun]

arcane mage in wod last patch

[grim jay]

Bro sub in hellfire citadel with capacitor. Peak gameplay

[terse orchid]

Nah MOP combat

[marble hemlock]

i mean you played bench in the first tier in cata

and played combat for gouge on sinestra

[plain moon]

Yeah I just felt the prog exp on it was awful. And then I don’t think the reclears where I spend the time trying to optimize damage to be better, if anything I expect that exp to be worse

[final star]

[winged sun]

i played enhance that tier as alt

[terse orchid]

but the first time running dungeons in WoD with MFD as combat was pretty damn hype tho

[winged sun]

it was op yea

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lick-fast-lick-cute-cat-cats-gif-27624519

[winged sun]

i had capacitor on mythic holy shit it blasted

[final star]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lick-fast-lick-cute-cat-cats-gif-27624519

[light jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/310487305783869463/1152758415995699311/guh_-_Copy_-_Copy.gif?ex=652b2def&is=6518b8ef&hm=ad35fe20f1283da2478724766f61e9ff877b36dfcc02999123020569bf466122&

[clever sapphire]

bring back mfd

[junior aurora]

but its like the first time a rogue could touch the other trees was dragon soul lol

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27443459

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kiss-gif-21168766

[light jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1070871565035655239/1086502908394209390/orig.gif?width=603&height=603

[final star]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/812794545850023986/1019800954033410068/attachment-5.gif

[terse orchid]

Sub back then was an instant loss in my book. Absolutely not fun to play

[plain moon]

https://tenor.com/view/twerk-cat-dae-cat-gif-24200690

[terse orchid]

but maybe i was too smoothbrained for it

[marble hemlock]

tier11 was the worst rogue tier in the history of the game

change my mind

[twilit hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/tuck-in-cat-pet-gif-23430126

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-sure-catbruh-gif-21408636

[winged sun]

guys guys my internet is not catching up with all the gif's

[junior aurora]

wasn't nathria worse

[marble hemlock]

nah

[junior aurora]

or was that just for assa

[winged sun]

my work wifi is simming same as mcdonads wifi

[light jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/935989994735169546/1036695062396010606/1CFC6F34-BB31-40F6-AA72-DE250F097A90.gif

[marble hemlock]

nathria was fine for sub/outlaw imo

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-raccoon-dance-raccoon-pole-dance-gif-12393067

[marble hemlock]

but rogue was just useless in t11

[light jacinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/100463940835762176/960105566250885181/tumblr_46b660fe4596fbe07ac0a61c34245a26_cb1c2b42_250.gif

[final star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868891396856238093/1025141815696949258/cat-meme.gif

[junior aurora]

blizzard made it up to rogues

[marble hemlock]

except for sinestra/alakir/v&t

[winged sun]

castle nathria rogue

[grim jay]

Is that you on a friday night?

[junior aurora]

gave them legendary at end of xpac

[light jacinth]

i played dk that tier

[marble hemlock]

cringe

[winged sun]

unholy at the start

[marble hemlock]

then again

i played outlaw that tier

[light jacinth]

yer we had 3 uh dks

[marble hemlock]

[light jacinth]

cause otherwise i was gonna be benched

for everything

[terse orchid]

Stealth mission for those daggers were pretty pog too

[light jacinth]

cause i couldnt convince them outlaw was fine

[winged sun]

dude legit 1 cd and ur top dps

[light jacinth]

"fine"

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[twilit hollow]

I remember seeing nibren reroll in cn. That's when I knew it was joever

[marble hemlock]

it wasnt

[winged sun]

i remember playing it as an alt and did 2k more dps than everyone

[light jacinth]

it was better than assa and sub

thats for sure

[marble hemlock]

when nibren/ashine play smth other than rogue

you knew it was done with

and now ashine plays enhance

and @fiery flower this fucker plays rogue again

[light jacinth]

only time ive ever swapped off rogue was nathria

so

[winged sun]

nothing will beat 2 unholy, 18 aug meta

[twilit hollow]

Nibren I have a gift

[junior aurora]

what about 20 windwalker meta

[light jacinth]

oh ye?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-miyav-kedicik-kedi-gif-1521585749929372542

[light jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/934595926067130441/1151883870606733362/HEYO.gif

[winged sun]

2 unholy was stronger i think

[marble hemlock]

impossible, there aint 20 windwalkers across the entire world left

[light jacinth]

thats so fkn cute

if theyre yours

[junior aurora]

20 windwalkers killed the boss in the 2nd gcd

[winged sun]

2nd gcd?

wtf

[twilit hollow]

Sisters

Bout to yoink thek

[light jacinth]

still cute

[twilit hollow]

Them

[final star]

https://imgur.com/o9unTgi

[junior aurora]

because of how their tier set worked

and how they all stacked it up for eachother

[winged sun]

boss phases tho sometimes on certain hps or

2 unholys just 1 shotted