assassination

[boreal sky]

Yeah I guess it's 100% uptime

stonks

[shut owl]

its slightly wacky when the aug doesn't know to line up cd's on you, and instead aligns on the ww

[boreal sky]

Doing atal 2nd boss with an aug

[shut owl]

wiped to final cast first time. "omg, I can't believe we didn't make it" "dude you lusted on pull"

[boreal sky]

It's not so bad as a rogue because infinite mobility

[gentle belfry]

Anyone play with Atrocity's UI by any chance?

[boreal sky]

yo

I do

[sharp nebula]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[tall jay]

Same

[quaint flare]

but if u lust last phase u can be gcd/energy capped even harder!!!!!!!!!

[gentle belfry]

Have you found AUI to be lacking in any way? Any adjustments you didn't hesitate to make? I just started using it - just wondering. Also, any issues with not having the latest live version by not being a higher-tier sub?

[shut owl]

we needed the lust just to roid up a KB to finish last phase by myself lol

[boreal sky]

I'm just twitch prime sub, whatever version that gives me, the latest.

[manic rock]

you should lust on pull for gala

[quaint flare]

is auto speed from haste capped

[boreal sky]

Honestly the only thing I changed was adding colour switching to the combo point bar so it switches colour when spend=good.

[shut owl]

I was 85% of the phase 2 damage. we weren't making it without maximizing my DM/KB window lol

[gentle belfry]

That's literally the only thing I did too lol

[boreal sky]

I will probably take the env buff tracker and detach it from where it is, and make it bigger though.

[quaint flare]

bc lusting last phase seems giga bait

[shut owl]

there is 0 threat during p1 other than earthshock shield damage surpassing your healer's sustain

[gentle belfry]

that was a thought I had as well, it's a bit small on 1440p scaling

[shut owl]

p2 is a damage check.

[boreal sky]

yeah, the whole UI took a bit of time to get used to with how small it is lol.

My assa gear is just...

[gusty mirage]

you want my real answer or the diplomatic answer

[boreal sky]

This is fully buffed btw

[manic rock]

I might be confused, sorry. You're talking blight or irid?

[shut owl]

I'm an idiot. Iridikron, sorry for confusion

[gentle belfry]

both bb

[manic rock]

Yeah lust on pull for irid

[spark scaffold]

is there a way to sim ashes timings same as branch?

[shut owl]

blight was also a shitshow lol

[dark token]

Someone pls do mythic smolderon as sin

[manic rock]

other times you have a 50% haste buff

[dark token]

I would do it

[manic rock]

and a 100% haste buff in last phase

[dark token]

But I'm trialing

[eternal heath]

Smoldering intermission cd usage fuckin sucks lol

[gusty mirage]

diplomatic answer:
A lot has changed for rogue and it still needs some love to get just right.

real answer:
The guy working on it is a outlaw onetrick, put out a product that's good for outlaw and dogshit for assa/sub. The fact that atrocity greenlit it is a fucking joke

[steel spire]

Evaded nerfs first week

[gusty mirage]

[quaint flare]

outlaw good

[boreal sky]

I absolutely feel the same way in regards to outlaw being better

Though, the tick marks on the kb bar are kinda' nice

[bronze nest]

Im sure this has been talked about many times before, but im genuinley curious to what spec is best between Sin and Outlaw for higher keys. Im talking 23+ keys. Is sin the move because of outlaws target cap? Or Does outlaw still become the overall winner. Im very unsure what spec to pick and push keys with

[gusty mirage]

that was a recent addition

[gentle belfry]

actually based; I can't say I'm wow'd by it. Any solid alternatives?

[boreal sky]

yeah the weakauras before the latest version were ass for rogue overall

I had to make so many changes to them

[gusty mirage]

Just give it a few more weeks and it should get better

because there's no shot he leaves it like this

[kind talon]

probably improves after id finishes prog

[boreal sky]

I imagine when he's less busy blasting raid that it'll get fixed.

[tough gorge]

Any difference are unlikely to be more than the style you enjoy playing more.

[gentle belfry]

Need to be a T2 sub to get latest version though yeah?

[gusty mirage]

I don't think so, if that's the case now

what the actual fuck

[boreal sky]

I don't think so no

At least not when I updated most recently

[ashen sun]

I read that blue post as "havoc and asa nerfs inc"

[gentle belfry]

[gusty mirage]

[boreal sky]

ah, I never saw that channel. I assume that's just a live changelog tho no?

[gentle belfry]

that'd be kind of a wack incentive, but maybe - I didnt think of that

[boreal sky]

So you can make the same changes before the version is actually deployed if you want. Idk. Should probably inquire in AUI disc

[restive falcon]

WE R SAFE TILL DECEMBER 5th

[gentle belfry]

Will do, lol

[boreal sky]

inb4 next blue post tomorrow night

out back, shotgun to the dome

[rare jackal]

im entirely biased against AUI cause everyone in my raid who used it had problems during neltharion cause of their map not working after an update

[strange python]

is that the ui addon thing?

I try to avoid stuff like that cause of patches and bugs and stuff

[boreal sky]

AUI is a streamer/raider's personal ElvUI + weakauras package

Atrocity UI

[steel spire]

Ay at least non 4p gamers can experience pre nerf assa with this upcoming vault cata reclear 👍🏾

[strange python]

lemme check it out

[boreal sky]

I'm actually malding my tits off about not having 4pc

[rare jackal]

you should, its based

[strange python]

this it:

[solar niche]

How big is the power spike getting 4pc?

[boreal sky]

I'm keeping it in check and pretending I'm joking so my loot council don't kill me, but I am tilted into the shadow realm

[strange python]

looks nice

[steel spire]

In m+ it's bananas

[boreal sky]

They gave curios to healers over me

They are great healers, and I'm happy for them. But

[outer cairn]

you gotta sub for his ui?

it looks like elv

[deep latch]

What is the current m+ build? BS/AP or DTB

[vapid sierra]

i ruin aui

[vapid sierra]

it is

its a elv ui profile with more stuiff

[boreal sky]

I just send twitch prime because it means I can just ignore my ui and put zero effort into it

[frozen iris]

So dec 5th nerfs may be going out. Think sin is on that list?

[manic rock]

j christ

[inner temple]

does it come with a decent plater profile?

[thorn fjord]

Lolol

[boreal sky]

It comes with a plater profile

Personally I just use Jundies

because I'm used to it

[kind talon]

Sin nerf when

[quaint flare]

sin nerfs outlaw buffs :)

[robust scaffold]

can u link that?

[boreal sky]

https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa

[quaint flare]

outlaw not played in the race so it needs buffs right?

[inner temple]

i swapped mine to galagea(sp?) and i really dont like it and ramfams isnt current that i know of 😦

[steel spire]

Outlaw nerfs assa buffs pi removed

[frozen iris]

I am not meaning to doom, hjust want your guys opinions on the possibility

[steel spire]

[kind talon]

You literally never know

[boreal sky]

There is absolutely no chance Assassination does not get nerfed at some point. Likely after a few more guilds have killed Fyrakk.

[quaint flare]

how much of the aug cope is true, how much is jsut un attributed dmg to bad hooks?

[frozen iris]

I am aware of this, I’m not taking your words as gospel

[kind talon]

Yes that is my opinion though, blizzards timing is unpredictable

[boreal sky]

Once again, PI makes class balance a meme. Nerf Assa to be balanced with PI, now it's way worse without PI.

[agile geode]

nerf sin and sub will be the pick for the rest of the tier again

[kind talon]

Tuning*

[boreal sky]

I really, really wish they'd just delete twins talent from the game

[kind talon]

Just delete pi

[boreal sky]

PI is fine as a self buff

[steel spire]

Dagger bros just stay winning

[agile geode]

i hope so

[boreal sky]

It should ONLY be a self buff.

[agile geode]

i wont play sub another tier

[spice surge]

For singletarget not a whole lot, its only sanguine+timestrike. But spatter+sanguine on aoe is a lot more. For example on the top volcoross kill that did 245k it should only be about 3-4k, and thats with 2 augs at ~80% uptime

[boreal sky]

What is sub even doing this tier in terms of playstyle

[frozen iris]

Is pi what was inflating sin damage during RWF

[agile geode]

pi and aug dmg

[earnest remnant]

glad to be of service to the goat Mal

[frozen iris]

I haven’t paid attention to pi on myself. I am assuming it became better then from 10.1

[boreal sky]

part of the RWF dps meter is also just Exiled and Kush buff though

They are both kinda' cracked

[pale wave]

Hi all, anyone able to provide some quick input on a log?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9jzdZkYJBVcbKLD4#fight=last&type=damage-done

[earnest remnant]

its what happens when you juice up specs, during a high dmg phase with alot of adds and they send cooldown with caustic spatter with Pi + aug buffs

[severe sparrow]

mmmm i keep getting a million blindside procs when im trying to mut for roots on tindral :<

[quaint flare]

the kb timings in that fight were so peng aswell

[frozen iris]

I don’t feel RWF is a good barometer regardless if blizzard thinks it is, for basically the exact reason you just said. They were cracked

[boreal sky]

RWF is about as far from the normal person's experience as you can realistically get really.

Also, does blindside ambush not proc spatter?

I haven't played with the cleave builds yet

[earnest remnant]

it does

[manic rock]

?? what does mutilate do that you don't want ambush doing?

[hushed fable]

Yeah it does.

[manic rock]

ambush procs cs

[steel spire]

Spatter juiced

[boreal sky]

[severe sparrow]

oh it does?

with the text was right on it then lmao

[past junco]

does CS spread rupture and garotte too or just kingsbane and weapon poisons?

[manic rock]

yeah, talent text is dumb, but someone in here told me it did and then testing showed it for sure

[tender hound]

Hi, stupid question. Where to change in details reseting dmg on dummies after vanish?

[boreal sky]

Just swap to overall damage segment

and reset all data between "pulls"

[steel spire]

I wish we kept poisoned edges 😩

[boreal sky]

Is what I do

[spice surge]

Dynamic overall

[quaint flare]

clear overall -> use dynamic overall

[past junco]

so it spreads everything?

[manic rock]

that was in reference to ambush proc CS

[tender hound]

ty

[gentle belfry]

How many PIs can you get before a log is invalid?

[earnest remnant]

once per 2min from 1 priest

[manic rock]

from 1 priest

[gentle belfry]

okay thought so ty

[fair ingot]

I heard we are talking about PI?
What do you guys think about this Priest in a 20 guys? 😄

[manic rock]

they friends

[fair ingot]

nope

[manic rock]

ret probs mad he gave you a PI

[fair ingot]

pally was my mate priest was a random

[manic rock]

oh

then trolling

[junior aurora]

how did sanguine blades get parried 4 times

[fair ingot]

I am 10 ilvl above and did 30k dps more than the ret without PI
So you cannot even argue that the Pally did more work or anything 😄

[feral mason]

grats bud

[strange python]

[crude dove]

well, dont play ret id say

[distant birch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[trim fable]

What's the best M+ race for ass rogue?

[keen spruce]

Dwerf

[trim fable]

I know Nelf has some really big value in galakronds fall

[robust scaffold]

meld has super cool use cases in a bunch of places rn

[trim fable]

yeah was assuming that nelf was best for actually pushing cause it negates some mechanics entirely.

[keen spruce]

It’s dwarf

It’s always dwarf

If you’re pushing high and your class can go dwarf

U go dwarf

[trim fable]

why?

[keen spruce]

Stoneform op

[spice surge]

Remove debuffs

[keen spruce]

Uggo as mountain hobos

Let me stone form as a cute elf

[spice surge]

Fall is the exception because theres not much to stoneform and nelf is incredibly strong for the third boss, but that is absolutely not the case for other dungeons

[trim fable]

what does current era stoneform do?

removes poison+bleed?

[spice surge]

And curses, magic and diseases

[trim fable]

everything? wtf 😮

[eternal heath]

@strange python are you in LFR rn

[raven egret]

When you get your AOTC and your the only person alive with the DK for the last %s

I fckin love being a rogue

[silk bane]

how do u actually meld the orb though? ive melded like 0.5 sec before cast is done and still gotten it

[slate crown]

Have you seen them? Of course it's dwarves

[spice surge]

Idk im not a nightelf ive just vanished it so i just assumed nelf worked the same way

[fluid glade]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gray hazel]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power
/use Witherbark's Branch
/cast Deathmark

This is what your guys DM macro looks like with Pot and Branch right?

[silk bane]

despairge. for vanish does 0.5 sec work then?

[slate crown]

I would add a line at the top for /use Fleeting Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power if you want to use the conjured version first

If I used a macro, that's what mine would probably look like

[keen spruce]

You can vanish anytime during the cast

It’ll just fizzle it

[gray hazel]

Awesome, thanks!

Im too boomer to press all of those buttons on opener now lol

[silk bane]

ty ty

[robust scaffold]

are the main action bars on AUI (i assume it's a WA) in the middle of the screen good for us, or should we just replace them with something like Whispyr's WA from in here?

[arctic tusk]

do u always refresh improved garrote when u vanish

in DM

[rapid tree]

So I got a Cruel Dreamcarver...What affect is BiS?

[split veldt]

December 5th

[spice surge]

Whatever you want

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[earnest remnant]

they are good, i personally use it as well, if you wanna know what it looks like you can see it in my vods on twitch, have clips with both assa and sub

[slim pebble]

Surely we don’t get nerfed on the 5th

[restive falcon]

[slim hamlet]

It was good knowing you all

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-salute-gif-24255323

[boreal sky]

They are playable for sure, and it's a pain in the ass to replace Atrocity's Weakauras with anything else, because stuff like the player/target frame are anchored to the weakaura so they adjust position depending on the number of buttons on the main bar.

If you remove the weakaura, shit explodes till you edit some stuff

[robust scaffold]

just checked ur twitch, looks really good

[runic hinge]

Good thing you’ve got name color and role icon to fall back on.

[torn creek]

What are the first two embellishments for M+ focused Assa??

Guides are not clear to me

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

I just got my branch after 29 runs

[robust scaffold]

yeah I just meant like on Whispyr's afenar edit, Shiv shines when we should press it during KB and it's just easy to track KB duration for vanish and thistle tea

[slim hamlet]

I can't do it again for my'das

[spice surge]

Blue silken lining if you think youll get good uptime of it, otherwise just toxic thorn boots

[runic hinge]

Just open your vault as outlaw

[spice surge]

Good uptime is like 50% or higher

[slim hamlet]

I need muh 2nd nick of time tho

[empty pilot]

do you want to macro KB in with SD or vice versa or both or?

[boreal sky]

Atrocity's has a tickmark on the KB timer bar that shows where Shiv (should, if you pressed it right before KB) expire.

same for vanish and tea

[robust scaffold]

oh awesome

[boreal sky]

the spot on the timer bar where you would want to use them has a lil line

[steel spire]

Assa fotms gone after the 5th

[robust scaffold]

i mean alternatively I was thinking of just downloading Le's https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9 if Atrocity's wasn't gonna be that great for us

[boreal sky]

I'm pretty sure Atrocity's is literally that aura

Or maybe not

[raven egret]

its a great one, I like it. I dont always need it but on mechanics heavy scenarios it helps keep track

easy to customize too

[boreal sky]

Atrocity credits Lisonna which seems to be them ye

[robust scaffold]

OH LOL

amazing

[violet sonnet]

arterial or dtb

for m+

i cant decide

[keen spruce]

W/e you want

Doesn’t matter

One had blindside

If you like blindside take that one

That’s the only gameplay difference

[shut owl]

art/blindside feels more like raid, dtb feels a bit more hands-off and pool heavy in ST. in AoE they are essentially identical

[keen spruce]

Is gushy blindside noise

[shut owl]

the magic of caustic

[boreal sky]

I really need to learn assa in keys

but every time I try I just do dogshit damage and swap back to outlaw because it's easier

Surely this isn't a problem right?

[violet sonnet]

brother

[boreal sky]

I geared for Outlaw

[keen spruce]

I mean that’s not why you’re doin cheeks damage

But it’s certainly not helping

[boreal sky]

No, it isn't.

It's my brain exploding when I dots start dropping in aoe

And also this

[keen spruce]

Just apply more dots

[boreal sky]

The problem is I don't know when to stop

[keen spruce]

Whenever you feel like it

Normally you’ll have a dance or vanish up

At some point

Packs should live that long anyways

Shoudlnt

[boreal sky]

mfw

[keen spruce]

Shouldnt

[tough gorge]

Use vanish for re applying. In case you are following the vanish for kb strat which is terrible for mythic+ dmg

[glass socket]

why does ass finish on 4 combo points? Is it because of high chance of overcapping combo points?

[shut owl]

yep

[boreal sky]

I don't hold vanish for KB yeah

well, unless the pack is dead or whatever and there's a boss coming etc etc

[shut owl]

doesn't matter as much in aoe, where we have plenty of energy, its more a ST energy/CP efficiency thing

[keen spruce]

It’s hard to tell people how to improve without seeing what they’re doin

There’s a lot of “just feel it out” with Assas keys

[boreal sky]

Yeah I got that feeling

[shut owl]

its also annoying because it changes from comp to comp with damage profiles

[boreal sky]

It is what it is. I'm not super motivated to go hard learning it because my gear is shit.

[shut owl]

if you've got 3 ST/cleave profiles... you're gonna miss some KB/spatter value if everyone goes for skull

[boreal sky]

I've done like 35 falls and no dagger

[keen spruce]

Like sometimes I gar gar gar rupture fan rupture vanish gar gar gar rupture mut bust

[drowsy hollow]

I'm so scared for 12/5 now

[boreal sky]

Sin going down

[violet sonnet]

im gonna get one out of this 8 im running for a friend

and im gonna get sad

[keen spruce]

Sometime I gar gar gar rupture burst

[boreal sky]

Outlaw raid stonks rising

[tough gorge]

Your loot is prolly still set to outlaw

[keen spruce]

Sometime I gar 3x fan rupture 3x then burst

[boreal sky]

I get the sense that it's just kinda' dependant on the situation yeah

[shut owl]

my typical is gar/rup/gar/rup enter KB

[tough gorge]

Those are some weak ruptures.

[shut owl]

toss in a random CT inside KB if things aren't gonna outlive the burst

[fleet atlas]

So ur doing 3 cp ruptures?

[keen spruce]

And see I’ve never done that in the history of league of legends

But it’s probably fine

[shut owl]

depends how fast things die

[boreal sky]

Well you see.

I play with a Havoc.

[keen spruce]

If a dh is spooging all over a pack

[shut owl]

rupture damage is static. its just duration

[boreal sky]

And we only do like 22 keys really

[keen spruce]

3cp ruptures often all you need

[shut owl]

yarp

[crude dove]

which wep enchants do u guys use, cause ive seen people use different stuff

[boreal sky]

Oh

[shut owl]

I play with a lotta burst, or a terrible comp

[boreal sky]

I knew that about rup but I actually forgot

[fleet atlas]

Oh if ur playing with a havoc just run st talents and wait for boss

[boreal sky]

[shut owl]

so I tend to just rip into KB as fast as possible whenever there's an open target, and maximize aoe sustain otherwise

[keen spruce]

Wafting for most people. Maybe still sophic if you’re in season2 gear

[boreal sky]

I'll just wait for them to get nerfed

[tough gorge]

Mobs die within the 3cp rupture?

[keen spruce]

[crude dove]

@keen spruce cause ive seen many ppl still using sophic so i was wondering

[peak bobcat]

Just sim it

[keen spruce]

Many people forget to sim or don’t care enough to change

[lucid rain]

how'd the move go?

[shut owl]

your rupture is one of the lower value things inside KB window. and if you're planning on ripping vanish at the end anyways, you can do a refresh cycle at that point

[keen spruce]

Maybe they had leftovers from last season

Well my computer survived

[shut owl]

cuz IC is handy

[keen spruce]

But I have no internet

[fleet atlas]

Generally double wafting. My sim says 1 wafting 1 spohic tho so

[boreal sky]

Honestly I kinda' enjoy outlaw in keys anyway

[crude dove]

@fleet atlas yea ur right

[boreal sky]

So I will probably just continue to assassinate the raid bosses

[keen spruce]

I’m staying at my moms for a few weeks while I sort out a permanent spot. And I’m trying to yoink the router from her tv room

[boreal sky]

and shoot the mythic plus guys in the face

[keen spruce]

But momma shmeeps is very stubborn and needs her k dramas

So that’s the current battle

[flint pond]

do the witches take reduced damage when not holding the iris in waycrest?

[woven helm]

yes

[kind talon]

momma shmeeps

[boreal sky]

They take basically - damage

0*

[violet sonnet]

^

[keen spruce]

Cuz she’s not gonna let me run a 150ft Ethernet cable through her house

[violet sonnet]

dont fuck wit em if they dont got the orb

[flint pond]

ty Kings

[shut owl]

KB on witches under a 20 is big sad

[keen spruce]

Might have to get a wireless card

[boreal sky]

It's 03:17... sleep schedule in shambles, too much dummy practice

It's almost late enough to do my daily kazzak jail run before I sleep

[keen spruce]

That thing can’t be that good

[shut owl]

its pretty decent

[keen spruce]

Isn’t it only worth like

[boreal sky]

It's pretty pog for outlaw

[crude dove]

@boreal sky same here, 4.18 am

[keen spruce]

15 ilvl a

[boreal sky]

bis stats etc

[keen spruce]

Or something

[boreal sky]

I don't mythic raid so

[kind talon]

26 ilvls

[keen spruce]

Fair enough

[kind talon]

and yes its very worth

lol

[boreal sky]

It'll probably get nerfed when the event ends anyway

[worthy iris]

is there ever a reason not to ambush in shadow dance windows?

errrr mutliate

[keen spruce]

It’s inconvenient

[real stirrup]

Stuck in Smolderon atm, he won't finish the script

[kind talon]

meh i mean it always happens that there isnt a certain combination of secondaries on any dungeon ring or necklace every tier

so it fucks certain classes

[boreal sky]

bring back reforging

[kind talon]

its nice that blazefury medallion exists as an option right now for outlaw, because the only other one is the very rare neck

[keen spruce]

Don’t talk about secondaries in assas

[shut owl]

or crafting one 😛

[boreal sky]

[raw raft]

surely not our spec

[keen spruce]

We don’t bother with those things around these parts

[kind talon]

yeah but other classes do

[keen spruce]

Buffs

[raw raft]

trueeeeeeee

[boreal sky]

crimson tempest damage increased by 5%

15% aura nerf

[raw raft]

surely they nerf kingsbane and give us a nice like envenom buff to compensate

[boreal sky]

c u next tier go play sub again bye - blizzard

[keen spruce]

I bet whispyr is meditating rn preparing for the shit storm

[spice surge]

Fwiw i dont think it would be a very big nerf, blizzard generally doesnt like to completely screw fotm rerollers

[shut owl]

honestly if they just raise the floor a bit on some of the underperforming specs we'll be pretty chill

[raw raft]

although tbf i sim same as demo lock without pi

[boreal sky]

I don't get PI because our DK gets PI

[keen spruce]

It could be a 2% aura and this channel would be on fire

[steel saddle]

anyone have a simple shiv duration timer bar weak aura?

[boreal sky]

and because I'm an outlaw rogue, but yknow

[keen spruce]

[shut owl]

definitely not because of your sustain forever class. no. couldn't be XD

[spice surge]

Were also yoinking like 1-2% of our damage from augvokers on St, significantly more on aoe

[boreal sky]

I don't get those either

our dh and dk get those

[raw raft]

[spice surge]

Well too bad your augs are griefing

[boreal sky]

aug*

[potent forge]

[boreal sky]

To be fair, it's probably better value on the 99 median parsing dh than me

I bring atrophic though, I'm helping :)

[robust scaffold]

@earnest remnant how did you get GCD tracker next to your details?

[peak bobcat]

I can’t fucking do it again

[kind talon]

i wanna play some sin

it seems fun

[boreal sky]

I went Warrior > Hunter > Rogue

At this point, I'll play anything on Rogue

[kind talon]

the pipeline.

this tier?

[vapid skiff]

ass is super fun

[boreal sky]

Nah each tier swap

I was basically farming "you don't get any tier from raid" specs for a bit

I swapped off warrior because I hate ToM Arms, and Fury is cringe. I swapped off Hunter because MM is in actual shambles, BM is BM, and using 15 macros to make my CDs work as SV triggered me.

So now I am yellow bar

[robust scaffold]

@earnest remnant also just installed AUI and on 1440p I have to admit everything is annoyingly small, even to the point that the font seems out of focus

[boreal sky]

I feel like Atrocity must have a big ass monitor because yeah

I have the same issue

[robust scaffold]

he probably plays on 1080p tbh

[boreal sky]

I adjust basically all font sizes up a bit

[robust scaffold]

i need to adjust the whole fucking UI up a bit

LOL

[boreal sky]

there's a guy that makes a tweak addon that helps the scaling for a lot of stuff

I forget his name

zoxe or something

yeah this one https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/zoxetweaks

[indigo mulch]

[boreal sky]

Dunno if it's useful tho

[robust scaffold]

I just went into ElvUI settings and changed this shit from 0.53 to 0.6 and it already looks better. However, I probably just fucked it all up LOL

[robust scaffold]

downloading that right away LOL

[boreal sky]

gl, i sleep, need to grind enhance gear and more fall keys tomorrow

[robust scaffold]

wait it looks 10x better @boreal sky

get that shit

[spark scaffold]

so guys

do you think when blizzard nerfs / buffs classes they take into account how much evokers skew logs or do they just look at statistics and say fuck it

same for PI

[digital wind]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[past bobcat]

Do we still get pi on Council fight or boomie instead

[true rapids]

I hope its light nerfs and medium buffs to the strugglers

[strange python]

We don't even need nerfs if PI gets deleted and aug hooks get fixed

With thrown precision 3 target is muti or fok? I keep getting confused if 3+ means 4 or 3 and upwards

[oak tangle]

3 or more

[violet sonnet]

What are peoples avg dps on a M+ overrall

im 463 and i avg around 120-150k overall

[unique sorrel]

key/build/pull/etc dependent

[violet sonnet]

i think im fuckin it up bad

[tranquil vessel]

Can't see it in pins - Whats the % increase approx for 4piece vs 2piece? Sorry if it is somewhere obvious and I'm dumb

[slate crown]

Idn. I'm in this channel all the time and I don't know that number

[lucid rain]

really depends on the dungeon and who you have in your group

[plucky dock]

Hello people, what is Poisoned Edges? I see it does ALOT of damage in M+ but i dont understand where it comes from?

[lucid rain]

t30 4p

or 2p? one of those

[tranquil vessel]

4p

[velvet marten]

Can someone explain to me why on the sim it tells me DM on the sim is nutty but i cant for the life of me figure out how to get it up.
ill add a brake down of DM aswell. Again i expect myself to F up im less then 24h into learning rouge overall.
And yes, Iv been studying the posts/guides. Just sometimes asking can help too.

[hushed fable]

2piece. 4 piece is nature dmg increased for 40s after DM:?

[worn monolith]

am i pooling energy with Sanguine Blades?

[lucid rain]

the sim is probably attributing the copied bleeds to deathmark whereas details is attributing the copied bleeds to their respective bleeds

[plain moon]

On mythic Council how often do you guys run to the far target to put dots up or do you just worry about dots on the 2 cleave targets?

[serene basin]

Click the DM arrow

[velvet marten]

in the 2nd pic mate.

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jagged yoke]

do we do amp or deadly poison first?

[serene basin]

Oh, ok

And yeah its prob as impulsecontrol said

The skill itself buffs the bleeds

The sims shows you how much of it

[north hinge]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[serene basin]

Details tells you the flat amount

[tranquil vessel]

Tyty

[velvet marten]

ah ok so it's not a good way to tell if im doing things correctly.

well damn, well i guess thats good and bad. lol

[serene basin]

You know you're doing ok looking at your bleeds uptime

[tranquil cobalt]

can someone help me out with what i am doing wrong if i post a log

i am confused

[serene basin]

Not losing KB casts

Envenom uptime too

[velvet marten]

well see my sim is 128,382 DPS i avg 86k might be a lil higher but that's only just the opener tell the end of KB.

[velvet marten]

i feel like i dont get alot in tbh prob well my dps loss is at

500-700k KB

by the end from the WA i have at least.

ok cheers Leiroesh and ImpulseControl ill work a bit more on it ty.

[serene basin]

You're managing to do the opening ok?

[fluid glade]

with 4p pooling for envenom chain is most dmg

if u are completely tapped on energy let urself regen to around 80% and then envenom and restart the process

[velvet marten]

ya it's just down to memory now. then ill need to work on what to do next.

[serene basin]

Nice, keep it up

[velvet marten]

only thing is i need more envenom

prob a speed press issue

[past forum]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[lavish brook]

What can we give up to get reduced shroud CD?

[serene basin]

I can try

[fluid glade]

master poisoner

[lavish brook]

Thanks

[fluid glade]

[slate crown]

Or iron nerves

There are a couple of options

[tranquil cobalt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k3A6axm8hXv2VYKR#fight=last&type=damage-done

[velvet marten]

ya this is the opener i got going 35sec i can prob speed it up but i go too fast i do a old pali rotation
KB W/A end showed 1.4m damage done with KB

[arctic tusk]

how do u sim hissing or buzzing rune

[fluid glade]

2 quick sims, one with buzzing, other with hissing might be an easier way but dont know it

just make 2 tabs obv to compare them easily

[serene basin]

What's the issue here? Just so I know what to look for

[tranquil cobalt]

i am not sure why my damage is so low

i am assuming it pooling issues going into cds

[balmy condor]

we don't pool into cds

[serene basin]

Looks good to me 🤔

[balmy fog]

Who’s got a good opener for me

[lyric cipher]

The icy veins guide bro

[fluid glade]

what u mean by that

[serene basin]

I'd say the guide, but I don't want to sound rude

[balmy fog]

Done thank you

Nah not rude thanks guys

[tranquil cobalt]

ok well there goes that idea

[oak lagoon]

quick question, how much do i need vers in dungeon, in +21 i get almost 1 shot

[wide whale]

just leveled a fresh 70 rogue, crafting the toxic thorn footwraps + bracers. the wowhead guide doesn't specify the missives. should i just go off the stat prio, or sim (most my other gear is greens and welfare epics, so the sim won't too reliable moving forward)

[fluid glade]

as long as ur env uptime is high, and 100% uptime for env and shiv on ur cds guaranteed dmg ☑️

[serene basin]

If you play mostly sin and sub put it crit mast , if you play outlaw crit vers, so ita an all rounder

[wide whale]

awesome, thanks friend

no one but blizz knows, i suspect 😛

[velvet marten]

So i do have this question, once the opener is done and ofc you are on a 2min CD with DM, KB, SD.
Is it correct just to keep myself around 50% resource and maintain bleeds with some envenom tell the 3 skill kit is off CD for another burst?
just seeing if im on the correct mindset

[oak lagoon]

quick question, how much do i need vers in dungeon, in +21 i get almost 1 shot

[slate crown]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[kind talon]

how much hp do you have

and whats ur gear score

[oak lagoon]

717

k

[serene basin]

You don't wait around all of them to be off CD to use again, you get a use of SD KB in between DM windows

Since kb dm is 1 min

Dm is 2

[oak lagoon]

717k

[velvet marten]

gotcha

[kind talon]

what are you getting oneshot by

[balmy fog]

How do you get this

[oak lagoon]

mostly boss ability, but i use feint, and ya

[kind talon]

some boss abilities you cannot feint

just need gear and stamina

can also be healer issue, idk what bosses are oneshotting me

[oak lagoon]

i mean i have 471 gear and 717k hp and still getting poop on

[kind talon]

what bosses

[oak lagoon]

In Galakrond fall i get one shot by last boss almost

and the orb if i take it

i get down to like 10% hp

[kind talon]

the orb in murozond rise?

[oak lagoon]

yes

[velvet marten]

Cheers @serene basin appreciate you

was helpful.

[kind talon]

is the tank doing the mechanic in fall?

[oak lagoon]

eeee yes?

[serene basin]

The orb from the temporal anomaly boss?

[oak lagoon]

yes

[serene basin]

Ah

[sour wraith]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[serene basin]

I mean, you should be all means try and avoid it, ita dmg is too high

And about the iridikron, what's killing you? The ground spikes?

[oak lagoon]

ok so there's some stuff i just cant do as a rogue im guessing?

non

the

ehm

soak

group soak

i mean i guess thats a healer issue

[serene basin]

That one you can feint

[oak lagoon]

but ya

[serene basin]

Or cloak

[oak lagoon]

i do

but still

10% hp

xd

like wtf

[upper spear]

ST raid, are we ever using Shiv outside of KB?

[serene basin]

Don't you dare

[oak lagoon]

does anyone have a list of what not to take in m+ what to feint etc or

[jagged yoke]

do we do deadly or amp poison first? is that how DTB works?

[serene basin]

That'd be helpful, but I guess ppl know from experience only, if someone made a list, is not public knowledge

[oak lagoon]

could be amazing

[serene basin]

Nope, it doesn't matter he order, just if both are on your weapons

[kind talon]

people are actually making one right now

[split maple]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[kind talon]

but its not done yet

[serene basin]

There are a few mechanics you can avoid as a rogue. Whether you are using feint, cloak vanish or evasion even

You should go and test

[kind talon]

but yeah the group soak on iridikron is a healer mechanic

because its not one chunk, its damage over time

so if you are 10% at the end of it and used feint, your healer is at fault.

[junior aurora]

or you're on a key with some chest hair

[kind talon]

well it was a 21

[serene basin]

Unless hes doing cutting edge keys, he should be fine

[steel spire]

Feint is a dps cd who uses it for defensive purposes

[kind talon]

skull emoji

[runic hinge]

Feint is what I hit when I’m pooling to keep the apm up

[junior aurora]

^

i press feint bc im bored

[steel spire]

Free 2p stacks 😌

[runic hinge]

2 charges now means I can use one whenever and one when I’m supposed to

[junior aurora]

means you can chain it together

forever

[serene basin]

Stacking feint would be HUGE

[gentle belfry]

Anywhere I can find sin tips for fyrakk? wowhead raidtips isnt updated for him yet

[lucid rain]

got a hero sandglass on my vdh before my rogue

despairge

[spark scaffold]

question for tindral

my opener is garrote rupture ambush SnD deathmark shiv KB etc

can i change sim opener somehow?

[slate crown]

Why would you want to do that?

[oak tangle]

that's not really the sim opener is it?

[blazing jewel]

report my raid lead

[slate crown]

It's an acclerated open that makes sense for tindral specifically

[spark scaffold]

because on tindral if you don't do fast opener your deathmark will be slightly late for the shield

[oak tangle]

ahh

[shy sorrel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spark scaffold]

yea

[shy sorrel]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[spark scaffold]

by slightly late i mean like, 3-4 seconds into the shield

[cosmic harness]

!plater

[oak tangle]

yeah nah i get ya

you want to run a sim with that opener i presume?

[slate crown]

But why would you need to run a sim with that

Is my question

[spark scaffold]

yeah i'm looking to check if some talent changes make an impact on a fight like that

for example, i have to refresh rupture quite early into DM, and i drop envenom buff during KB again quite often because of this opener

so i want to see if TTK would make sense in this situation

[oak tangle]

i've always wondered how easy it would be to take one of your own logs timers, and apply that fight into a sim situation

[tacit charm]

wait, thats what my opener is always. am I doing something wrong?

[oak tangle]

yeah you want envenom going into dm if you can

[spark scaffold]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e1nx4NiiEkavs1L6wmJLfF

for example this includes the raid events of tindral

the intermission flying / feathers

[tacit charm]

so then just add in an extra ambush envenom before DM?

[spark scaffold]

but it would be nice if i could change the deathmark openers aswell

[oak tangle]

no, the regular opener is this;
gar - amb - rup - mut - snd - mut to 5+ - env - dm - shiv - dance / kb

[spark scaffold]

lethality simms better here because of the dmg increase events which make your KB dmg matter more

[slate crown]

!guide rotation page for regular opener

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spark scaffold]

also you drop alacrity twice per phase, from the flying

[balmy condor]

big baners

[oak tangle]

where did you slap that one

[balmy condor]

nymue

[tacit charm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sgKjYNvuHmfpwnz5vSP6gM

[oak tangle]

you are double dicking on my best kb on her

[serene basin]

That's a single use of KB?!

Oh boy

[oak tangle]

hey buddy gonna have to stop you right there, 7 crits out of 8, unless you got 87.5% crit that is statistically improbable sir

[kind talon]

aug evoker, ma

think about it

[analog anchor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[serene basin]

Ever heard of luck?

[oak tangle]

statistical improbability yes

XD

[serene basin]

Its known that whispyr buys its own luck

[zealous cosmos]

Quick question, when is the best time to get pi, I've trying to sync with my priest. I usually call it just before DM and KB

[oak tangle]

that works

[zealous cosmos]

cool

thx

[oak tangle]

i just tell my priest to do it at like 10s into the fight, but im not gonna try min max it for myself

[serene basin]

There's a WA to help pi

Its tells you when your focus uses its cd

[zealous cosmos]

I usually talk to my priest a lot so just wanted to optimize it if possible

[oak tangle]

yeah if i was to worry i'd make the priest a pi for when i press dm

gives them 2 seconds to hit it before kb starts needing the boost

[gray hazel]

Anyone using the notter kingsbane Weak Aura know how to add timers on the abilities?

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[oak tangle]

not sure what you mean what timers ' abilities?

[gray hazel]

a countdown on when KB is finished

and shiv/fbn buff

[oak tangle]

that's not the purpose of his WA

[gray hazel]

which is fine

[slate crown]

I suggest not trying to overload the weakaura

[gray hazel]

was hoping it be an easy checkbox somehwere

[slate crown]

if you want timers and timelines you should probably use the timeline wa

[oak tangle]

use LE's one for tracking when to cast things

[robust scaffold]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gray hazel]

okie thanks

[steel flume]

[oak tangle]

i've never used your timeline one, but i've seen you mention about dynamic tracking of things, was just curious as to what is meant by that? like if your shiv is cast late or early? and it shifts the tick to when you have to shiv by to keep buff going?

[slate crown]

Correct

[oak tangle]

my own personal one i've made is budget and i just have the bounding edges of when to shiv assuming i press it before kb

[slate crown]

If you tea early for example (which isn't always wrong, if you tea early because you need energy) it will shift back the tea tick

[oak tangle]

would you recommend against using conditional logic to shift the ticks? as i am very bad at coding

but i can do wonders with conditionals

(so bad at coding i don't know how to change the dynamic information which the trigger goes off, so i need to have 2 WA overlapped and hide one when i want them to swap)

[storm forum]

I cannot believe how good spatter is

Every day it impresses me more and more

[steel flume]

Is it a good idea to refresh rup once in shadow dance or vanish, instead of casting a envenom

[tired shard]

Switching from outlaw to sin. Any videos to point me to so I can learn how to play?

[supple marsh]

churpie guide is good

[oak tangle]

i believe don't worry if it drops is the play, but also you can go into it refreshing before hand

[tired shard]

Ty

[storm forum]

during non DM dance/KB, I've been often refreshing rup as my second finisher in dance cause it just kind of lines up okay there and env doesnt usually run out if i do it

during DM/Dance/KB is usually hasnt lined up well and I refresh rup during the vanish at the end

or just after it all finishes

[steel flume]

What I want is to get a nightstlaker rup

[oak tangle]

not worth it

[steel flume]

It has 10% increases

Ok

[storm forum]

only do it if you're 100% certain env wont drop, it's not worth it

[steel flume]

Make sense

[oak tangle]

anyone got any cool green mogs, these tier shoulders in the green variant are grouse

[storm forum]

theres an old pvp set thats like green/teal that I like with the green ghostblades

i just logged off though so I cant grab it

[slate crown]

Well you can, the problem is shifting the ticks is dynamic. Conditions only let you change properties by static values

So if you cast Shiv, you want to push it back, but conditions will only let you, for example, set the tick at value = 3

[oak tangle]

yeah

[slate crown]

If you want to have it be dynamic, you have to do full custom code in Conditions (which mine does)

Which also gets into editing aura regions, which is finicky

[oak tangle]

i know about 50% of what i need to know to do it, but it's the 50% i dont know that leads to lua errors

[slate crown]

I'll say this

Most custom code fields are relatively safe in weakauras

[idle radish]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rustic minnow]

Someone asked this before but I didn't see the answer, amp poison applied before deadly? Or deadly first

[oak tangle]

unless there's a bug, irrelevant

[slate crown]

Like your in a sandbox environment for the most part where things that fuck up usually only impact that aura and don't have cascading effects and can usually be undone easily

[dusk palm]

Looking at a log. Can someone tell me what is happening here?

[slate crown]

But custom condition code field is the area where it starts to verge into the unsafe

[oak tangle]

i believe it is just a logs issue that mistakes casts

[slate crown]

That is a blindside proc. Blindside procs act like Ambush Cast events, for some reason

It's just a combat log issue, doesn't impact any damage or anything

Been around at least since PTR and possibly before

Though I'm pretty sure it was with the Blindside update on PTR to replace ambush

[fleet pagoda]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[oak tangle]

anyone wanna take a look at my logs and advise what i messed up on this?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X6RMDjWzPgv4cd9k#fight=43&type=damage-done

[vocal barn]

big W

[slate crown]

To answer this more directly, I guess Yes. I would recommend against it unless you are confident and comfortable editing aura regions. KB Timeline was not my first time editing aura regions. You can study how the timeline does what it does if you want to learn more, otherwise Weakauras github wiki has some of the baseline info (but some things I had to learn on my own with trial and error and isn't in the documentation).

[grand trail]

Dec 5th nerf pog

[dusk palm]

Your shivs are often 10 seconds apart and your 2 min Kingsbane window is shivless

[junior yoke]

!opener

[slate crown]

!guide - see the rotation page

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[oak tangle]

yeah that last point is what i struggled with, alot of what i was wanting to do wasn't on the wiki

[junior yoke]

sorry ty

[slate crown]

One of the best tools is the DevTool addon. Scrape off all the info from aura_env.region and study it, then, uh, guess which functions make the most sense to use and are safest, which look more like APIs from weakauras and which look like more low-level functions. Most region edits have options in there to change things as you would expect (though not everything)

[oak tangle]

that 2 min is rough, im struggling with letting shiv drop for a gcd, vs capping on cp

either that or i need to wait nearly once gcd before shiv timing

[slate crown]

Imo

I just shiv

If I'm at max CP, so be it

[oak tangle]

i'm looking at adding in the kb damage ticks themselves because it's not bad to drop shiv for a second if it wont miss a kb tick

[slate crown]

Yeah but like, tracking individual Kb ticks sounds....

[oak tangle]

i know lol

[slate crown]

too much for me even, I'd rather just pretend I had one less crit and waste the CP

to ensure the shiv is up

[timber coyote]

when your against a warrior what tips do you have im getting pwned by warriors so hard tonight

[kind talon]

#pvp

[slate crown]

This channel is unlikely to be able to help you

[kind talon]

go there

[dusk palm]

Also your teas are late. It’s not on the GCD so you can always tea at the exact second you want in your KB window

[short quarry]

i need to add decimals to my kb wa

[dusk palm]

No you don’t lmao

[short quarry]

for tt

[slate crown]

You don't

[short quarry]

i always wait til just about 5 to make sure

.>

[oak tangle]

yeah i think maybe i'm desynced a bit from the progress on my WA, so maybe im always a tad later than i need to be

[slate crown]

by default my tea and vanish ticks are .25 seconds late

becuase they're off gcd

[short quarry]

so far im not parsing higher than 85

[slate crown]

and because having them .25 sec late is better than early

[short quarry]

must fix

[dusk palm]

I’m not digging too deep bc just fixing your windows jumps you from 78 to 90+

[oak tangle]

go deep if you want, i'm curious as to why i was not 90's on this one compared to my others

[keen spruce]

internet aquired

[oak tangle]

the shiv in 2min helps

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/macgruber-im-in-imin-gif-24174214

but i need to shower

very stinky from the move

[short quarry]

anyone wanna look at my log?

tell me what to improve?

73 on tindral

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fV7Whan4PRDmyq1B#fight=9&type=damage-done

[runic hinge]

LETS GOOOO

[earnest remnant]

It’s a WA

[oak tangle]

and looking to improve, i have a general grasp on what to do, so it's the minutia i need to work on

[robust scaffold]

can u link homie

[earnest remnant]

It’s called gcd history

[robust scaffold]

the "FORK" ?

https://wago.io/b9euX-znp @earnest remnant ?

[keen spruce]

pot with deathmark not on pull. you may want to try the accelerated opener on tindral because your 2nd kingsbane will get clipped by the phase transition otherwise.

[sick abyss]

im guessing essence and branch is a no go?

[keen spruce]

fundamentals look mostly good besides that

[short quarry]

ah ok

[keen spruce]

and you're still going to be beholden to your group's DPS and kill times for good parsing

[short quarry]

alright

i just about got the second kb off

mostly

[keen spruce]

I think

you also dropped garrote

before your 2nd kb

[short quarry]

i was rooted and tank moved boss i think

[keen spruce]

yeah your damage will still be beholden to your raid

kill times

etc etc

this is coming out of intermission

these should be bleed refreshes

not mutilates

[short quarry]

i was holding for empowered bleeds

[keen spruce]

ain't no way those ruptures and garrotes survived the flight

[short quarry]

guess i shouldnt do that

[royal robin]

hello, is there any chance i can get a log looked at real quick?

[keen spruce]

nah they'll get re-empowered during your burst

[short quarry]

k

[keen spruce]

no reason to not have the normal ones

beforehand

but yeah the rest looks pretty gud

[short quarry]

nice thank you for looking

[kind talon]

all of your energy generation is from having bleeds up

they are extremely important

[short quarry]

word

[kind talon]

venomous wounds talent

[short quarry]

im coming from outlaw

still getting used to this

[kind talon]

ye np

[royal robin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fq7pjCvcybdVM9Rw#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=391
i just want to see what i am doing wrong at this point

[dusk palm]

Your priest also gave you PI while you weren’t bursting

You got it at 9 seconds and again at 2:47?

[keen spruce]

Momma shmeeps based af

[short quarry]

priests have no idea when to pi us in general

is that larodar? ducks >.>

also wish i could help you with your m+ log but i havent tried sin in m+

still doing outlaw there

[oak tangle]

yeah pi gonna be unreliable

[dusk palm]

Fight was also the worst length possible for you. You’d want to to finish at 3:20 or 4:20. Although with the amount you delayed your CDs it wouldn’t help. You’d need like 4:40 to get your next set in

[gentle belfry]

I have 4pc with normal tier gloves rn: redeem omni token for H gloves or get pants for outlaw flex?

[oak tangle]

what you mean outlaw flex?

[tame tangle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[runic hinge]

Assa’s worst tier piece is legs while it’s not so bad for OL

[oak tangle]

ohh outlaw flex as in offspec, not as in

https://tenor.com/view/bell-ring-flex-baywatch-the-rock-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-gif-13186587

[kind talon]

its bis for outlaw

pog

[pure sinew]

Toxic patch doesnr interact with the kit in anyway right?

[kind talon]

it does not

[oak tangle]

it does sir

[kind talon]

huh

[oak tangle]

the boots are double when you have a patch

[kind talon]

oh yeah, but it doesnt affect your rotation

[oak tangle]

oh, no

[kind talon]

thats how i interpreted it, but idk

[oak tangle]

you're probably right

i got a c- for english at school

sometimes i read the first few words of a sentence and subconciously make up the rest of it

[pure sinew]

I mean it doesn’t interact with kit ability damage increase

Shiv or whatever

[kind talon]

it does not.

it only affects the boots.

[gentle belfry]

Whats your call on the tier piece?

[tame tangle]

finally figuring out sin after getting some better gear had been outlawing in raid. using LE wa to practice, is it necessary to track shadow dance tick?

or i guess what im asking is what am i tracking it for

[runic hinge]

I’m only playing assa either way

[main wharf]

snapshot rupture i think

[willow vine]

You want to press dance for a snapshot on kingsbane, garrote, and ambushes

[runic hinge]

My only off spec is feral. I just like combo points and bleeds.

[willow vine]

No need to track like outlaw crackshot though imo

[real stirrup]

It is time for Miss Nicky of Time to drop

[runic hinge]

Nichole fulltime

[tame tangle]

okay ty and also while using tracker for practice, i want to hit the abilites right on the tick or after right? as before would miss last tick of kb?

[keen spruce]

[real stirrup]

Nick O'Time

[gentle belfry]

Is there any common reason dps woud be lower in a log compared to Details for a given boss kill?

[deep latch]

Didn't get 2nd nick but got lucky enough to finish out the trinket set

[oak tangle]

logs dont include aug damage by default

[gentle belfry]

Ohhhh ty

[arctic tusk]

is ashes always worse than branch?

in sims

[storm forum]

yeah, ashes has a lot of drawbacks compared to branch

like giving minus haste during your second KB

[finite echo]

hoooly, perfectly balanced

[runic hinge]

It gives the same amount on the trinket itself as you lose

[earnest remnant]

it also doesent linger for the next KB

[storm forum]

yeah

[earnest remnant]

its a 1min debuff

[storm forum]

its a 1 min debuff after the effect wears off

[earnest remnant]

oh shit u right

TIL

[storm forum]

however you phrase it

your second KB will be weaker

unless the fight requires you to hold CDs for some reason

[oak tangle]

just be sub

[earnest remnant]

nymue

[slow needle]

@balmy condor I'm on the Monster again. Mango Loco this time. Kinda wish I could have something like this without the caffeine.

[storm forum]

nymue might be my favorite fight

[oak tangle]

it might be mine, IF we didnt have 8 melee

[earnest remnant]

nymue is fine with more melee

doesent really do anything, as long as you have enough ranged to soak flowers out

[oak tangle]

we didnt

[storm forum]

melee is fine with more melee, ranged hate more melee

unless theres some melee unfriendly mythic mechanic we havent gotten to yet

[earnest remnant]

nah this raid is fine for it

most melee friendly raid in forever

[hollow moss]

How do I go about AOE if tank is chain pulling and vanish is on cd?

[oak tangle]

keep dotting and it's not much of a difference

[hollow moss]

I’ve just picked up the game again and still doing low keys and tyrannical week

Everything blows up before I can get rupture up on everything

[runic hinge]

Low keys kinda be like that

[still stirrup]

It's like that all the way to 20s anyway

[runic hinge]

Yeah, I did an 18 last night with a DH and it's like why bothing pressing kb on trash

[twilit hollow]

AUI is fine now, stealthi saved it

[still stirrup]

Would agree, after most recent update it is decent again

[kind talon]

stealthi is the outlaw onetrick

@earnest remnant

[brazen zodiac]

i like pressing it on the pack after the previous pack where they used their cds 👍

[twilit hollow]

@still stirrup i mean i should hope so it was stealthis personal updated pack

[runic hinge]

Exactly why I never KB first pack of dungeon, everyone else blows cds

[twilit hollow]

if its only "decent" to you maybe one of the rogue only packs is better for u /shrug IDK

[still stirrup]

I meant I like it

[oak tangle]

"we’re planning to send an additional batch of tuning changes that will be released during restarts on the week of December 5th, which will probably include some buffs and some nerfs." Can we collectively pop evasion at this time please

[storm forum]

we're doomed

[still stirrup]

Decent = good (for me anyway)

[runic hinge]

You love when it's dooming time

[oak tangle]

return to status quo

[storm forum]

doom is just a fun word

i use it whenever possible

[earnest remnant]

fuck off

[twilit hollow]

[storm forum]

what is AUI?

assuming its not the dota guy

[twilit hollow]

Atrocity UI

Instant Dollars raider formerly liquid

[oak tangle]

"What’s up with that? There’s some absurd outliers in both directions, and at least the ones towards the bottom (Destro, Aff, Ele, Shadow, WW etc) should surely be getting some attention. I get that you don’t like nerfing specs early in the season, but especially Assassination needs to be looked at for raid and Havoc for M+." community council man is clearly a sin hater

[storm forum]

Assassination about to die for PI/Aug/Winfury's sins

[oak tangle]

and based on all other specs being alphabetical, is a destro main

[storm forum]

if they nerf assassination into the ground and buff shadow into the sky i might be a priest main again

[oak tangle]

i will just quit the game

nerf is a nerf, but into the ground im gone

[tame tangle]

can i make notters wa show seconds remaining on kb

[kind talon]

[oak tangle]

because it will show they have learnt nothing from the past, about how rogue is top early and the others catch up and exceed us

[spiral pasture]

by december 5th everyone has 4p and biggest gear gains already

[tropic tundra]

They don’t understand our only broken part is literally being yellow unholy

Remove pi and everyone is happy

[spiral pasture]

why are you saying they dont understand whats the proof of that statement

[oak tangle]

the caveat is if they nerf us into the ground

[spiral pasture]

ppl just inventing shit at this point

[oak tangle]

it's not the spec, it's the externals

[spiral pasture]

they havent said anything yet

[oak tangle]

they have though

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/pve-retail-lack-of-class-tuning-1717839 not directly, but why would they address such a post

specifically calling for nerfs to us

they say there will be nerfs

[spiral pasture]

there always are

[fallen knoll]

Outside of raid sin is pretty mid in m+, so if we get nerfed no one is playing that spec in m+

[tropic tundra]

Isnt assa just worse than sub without externals

[oak tangle]

read the post, i think it's safe to infer those nerfs are to us

[arctic tusk]

so branch pips is technically BiS? but sands works well and ashes isnt bad either just worse than branch