assassination

[royal lantern]

branch on loradrowhateverhisname makes me wanna commit sodoku

[surreal citrus]

cus it's another source of aoe

[fickle siren]

somebody please?

[steel stump]

I need a myth nick as well

[kind forge]

use ashes there

[royal lantern]

ashes dn

[surreal citrus]

I believe it's still better to send at 4cp

[steel ridge]

ngl, i think thats my best week 2 gear ever

used up all my luck for the remainder of the addon for sure

[drifting cedar]

Hello assassins do we reapply rupture around 7 seconds left and garrote at around 8 seconds?

[worn igloo]

y'all running this set of capstones or dropping AP for DTB for m+ general?

[surreal citrus]

whenever its in pandemic range

[arctic socket]

That’s a lot of gear my dude

Is there a weakaura to scream at you to apply poisons? I just did a key without them 😂

[drifting cedar]

Can I message you privately?

[steel ridge]

i like that one better than DTB for dungeons

[willow scroll]

I use hekili in a corner for that haha

[surreal citrus]

if you want

[tall atlas]

sexy

[worn igloo]

for both tyra and forti?

[royal lantern]

litearlly just look up "rogue poison" in wago

[steel ridge]

for both yes, i think it feels better than DTB without blindside etc.

[royal lantern]

and it should give 30results

[arctic socket]

ty

[hexed willow]

There is no significant difference between a 4 and a 6 or envenom. Send finishers at 4+

[steel stump]

Send at 6 before KB to buy you some times tho

that's the only time it makes sense

[hexed willow]

Ehhh

Before KB is 2 mutilates

[dark token]

What is this edgelord ui

[hexed willow]

You might get to 4. You might get to 6

But I wouldn’t personally ever 3 mutilate

[royal lantern]

what about parries

[steel stump]

imo you loose the uptime if only at 4 before KB

[royal lantern]

[worn igloo]

literally my talent screen, numpty

[hexed willow]

How?

Unless you’re trying to squeeze in a rupture beforehand, it’s plenty of time

And even then you can still get it

[steel stump]

mark dance shiv kb garrot. That's a lot of spells to get in that window imo

[hexed willow]

That’s 4 gcds

[strange python]

your dance and shiv are reversed

[steel stump]

ty for pointing that out

didnt realise

[hexed willow]

But with those 4 gcds you’d refresh it at that point it would fall off

And if that did happen, it could be worth doing envenom -> garrote

[steel stump]

maybe it's just me but I feel like it's too tight

[steel stump]

yeah that makes sense

[dark token]

Why is it all extra red n stuff

Sudden demise got lazer beams out of the eye

[oak tangle]

this is false, but true, and only because envenom always gives 5 seconds. if they fix this a 4 cp envenom is impossible to cast dm, shiv, kb, garrote then envenom again without envenom dropping

[hexed willow]

Interesting, thank you memz

[arctic socket]

Sudden demise in 4K

[oak tangle]

and even 5 seconds is a tight window to fit them into, if we are talking on pull where you dont have envenom rolling, with even 1 ms delay you will need a 6 cp to keep it up

[drifting cedar]

How do we know our bleeds are in pandemic range

[strange python]

Most likely through a weakaura that simply lights them up when they are in that window - to let you know you can reapply.

[hexed willow]

Still not a fan of triple mutilates unless you absolutely need to

[rotund marsh]

Anyone have a really good assassin YouTube guide for an idiot? (Me)

[worn igloo]

it's a weak aura called swappable talents. It shows you talents you can remove without losing access to the next tier of the talent tree. The icon itself is probably a gimmick with the hd icon set I'm using, and I play on deuteranopia filter so I can actually tell what's going on hence the weird colours

[hexed willow]

Feels too messy

[hexed willow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hexed willow]

All three are great

[rotund marsh]

Sorry meant to say YouTube guide

[hexed willow]

Lookup whispyr

[rotund marsh]

Ok

[hexed willow]

They have fantastic videos and write the wowhead guide

[balmy dome]

Do you ever have time to use shiv's inbetween kingsbane CD?

[hexed willow]

And participate here to their own detriment 😛

[hexed willow]

No for bosses, very very rarely for trash

[oak tangle]

yeah i think you still send at 5 cp, but you basically forgo one proc of 4 set

[balmy dome]

didn't think so but wanted to double check

ty!

[rotund marsh]

Why is nick of time so good

[strange python]

bout to climb, it's going to the champion track

[rotund marsh]

What does time strike do?

[hexed willow]

Timestrike

[worn igloo]

10% proc chance, deals 10% of damage dealt after 10s

[strange python]

It duplicates a portion of your damage 3 seconds after you deal it.

[rotund marsh]

Wow

That’s cool

[scenic kelp]

i have the arterial shock build from wowhead and i want to ask why we pick venom rush instead of flying daggers? can someone tell me why? 😄

[spice surge]

You can pick either one

[hexed willow]

Ends up being 0.5%-1% of damage

[oak tangle]

energy on ST

[spice surge]

Venom rush is more singletargetty, flying dagger is more mass aoe

[hexed willow]

Both are good, you really feel the lack of energy for ST m+

[steel spire]

4p we always hyrbid?

[strange python]

no

[hexed willow]

Nah arterial is still solid then too

[steel spire]

Build diversity imagine

[strange python]

lol yeah sub has literally two builds on their guide huh

[arctic socket]

Sub is down that bad?

[hexed willow]

Nah dust is just ahead

[strange python]

i mean there's some stuff you can change around, but the guide itself only has two.

[hexed willow]

For better or for worse

[oak tangle]

2 builds?

[spice surge]

Most specs have 1

Having 2 is fine

[oak tangle]

that's 100% more than season 1

[strange python]

I simmed it and you dont even lose that much st when using the mplus build as sub

[spice surge]

Sub had 3 builds in season 2

[strange python]

nowhere near what we lose anyway

[spice surge]

Yes sub ST in keys is absurd

[oak tangle]

season 1 sub was close to dh levels of press same buttons on aoe and st

[strange python]

That was always my favorite thing about sub - the aoe rotation

lol

tf was that one dungeon out in that weird place like floating in the sky

[arctic socket]

Is sub no longer 2 button aoe n win?

[strange python]

you spawned in up on a mountain and just pulled mass stuff

[oak tangle]

algethar? or vortex pinnacle

[distant fox]

Just because there is one more often then not you can slightly vary with 1-2 points but often you dont relly gain sth worth to pick unlike feral with ff, assa with aoe silence, sub with aoe stun if you aren gate locked (no clue on that) sadly some talents are just npt good enough and straight worse in any scenario

[strange python]

lemme google it one sec

[distant fox]

Spires?

Necrotic wake after 2nd boss?

Oh mountain

[strange python]

was taz split in two?

[distant fox]

Ye mega dungeon

[strange python]

yeah it was like the lower part of that

[oak tangle]

you mean the murlocks?

[strange python]

man sub was fantastic there

yeah

the murlocks

[oak tangle]

fish sticks

[strange python]

yep!

that place was like sub paradise

[distant fox]

Murlocks were nice. After the feral rework i did double the dps on the 2nd try

[oak tangle]

that was tazavesh something

[strange python]

yeah i thought so

like "lower taz" or something

[oak tangle]

had the pirate dragon

[strange python]

but not lower taz lol

[oak tangle]

"OUR CAPTAINS A DRAGON"

[distant fox]

Disc had a 13bolt penance - now in sl with lego up to 19 bolts BTW. Fun to test lol

[strange python]

i don't think i've never not 4-manned that last boss

[distant fox]

I miss das and hoa and sd.... god dann even theater with so many prio targets for sin....

Dos*

[strange python]

yeah instead we got wcm, brh, atal (which isn't bad) and flowers

[scarlet orbit]

i think that taz was called gambit

[strange python]

yeah i think you're right

[distant fox]

Flowerd is cool bit hard

[scarlet orbit]

other part was streets

[strange python]

yep

[distant fox]

Ja

[scarlet orbit]

both dungeons i enjoyed to play

[lime crypt]

fuck you

[grand trail]

I got two from 3 runs

But than I had to do 10 for sandglaas

[lime crypt]

still only got one dagger

[distant fox]

Hahahava

[next dust]

are there somewhere race sims?

[grand trail]

Than I did like 35 dht for neck which I replaced with lord kazzak cringe neck

[lime crypt]

is kazzak that good?

like, on assa, that is

[grand trail]

Was like 950 DPS gain over 370 dht one

[lime crypt]

tf

[distant fox]

Can i rent a parse run?
99 heal logs are already mine. Always 99s on any dps i play

[grand trail]

It's equal good with max upgraded heroic ones

[steel ridge]

❤️

[lime crypt]

even this bad boy sims higher

[weary pier]

whats the meta for dreamcarver attunement? just doin mechanical rn

[strange python]

either leech or mv speed

[grand trail]

140k SIM seems not right

[lime crypt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uxLipzp5fPfKHUTmTzNvWw

[distant fox]

I sim ghat with 10iövl less and our raid buffd

Fat fingers..

[strange python]

no branch, no 4p,

[distant fox]

Same but pi, r2 ulti pot r2 crit phial

[lime crypt]

my guild doesnt wanna give me any tier

also i have A LOT of vers

cuz i play outlaw

[distant fox]

I dont havy luck with rolls but i carry. Im only allowed to bully the tank

[lime crypt]

dont have any gear to change it for tho

[pale wave]

what's the most consistent buikld for keys?

[weary pier]

arterial probably

[distant fox]

Ap i guesd

[strange python]

seems people are largely split between arterial and hybrid.

[grand trail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5q1HgZafNok12XbV2hxY58

[distant fox]

Seems just superior but i play with acrobatic

Wtf

[strange python]

what do you drop for acro? deeper?

[distant fox]

That sim

No tea

[strange python]

oh jeez

[distant fox]

Only 200 energy but more crit

[strange python]

that doesn't sound optimal

[clear shell]

Should i try to maintain 50% energy always and play above that?

[distant fox]

4% los at worst

[sharp viper]

damn that's quite the gear for 2 resets

[strange python]

nah you don't want to play around that

[distant fox]

Rsnge can be a nice dps gain

[lime crypt]

my guy is getting teaspooned from raid

[grand trail]

I got only few items from raid tho

[strange python]

I think dropping deeper is less less-optimal than dropping tea though.

[grand trail]

Farmed everything possible from m+ tho

[weary pier]

did u get 2 nicks before the dreamcarver

[grand trail]

Yes

[weary pier]

im sorry

[distant fox]

Have to chuck wood
Its called chuck, right?

[grand trail]

Upgrading raid dagger was only small gain not worth crest

Did it anyway

[lime crypt]

6 items is quite a lot no? i mean i get u prolly took a tier from vault + catalyst, so thats still 4

i got 1 item

[distant fox]

Pur look got 4-6 items fom 8 bosses yesterday

Our lock*

Luck mf

[grand trail]

I got 3 mythic items two from normal and one heroic ( curio)

That's not that much for two reset

[royal lantern]

y all get items???

[lime crypt]

can someone tell me how to put gcd on afenar's weakaura?

[royal lantern]

we legit only drop plate stuff

[grand trail]

We too

[steel spire]

Run with dh to get glaive and they only rng sword

[grand trail]

We have 4p on two warriors and I got none first reset. Since I got it too ( cata vault curio rating) it start dropping like crazy

[clear shell]

With arterial precision do we keep shiv or do we use it on cd?

[stark mirage]

crafting my toxic footwraps, is the rank 3 frostbite worth it? I'm low on gold, and rank 2 is very cheap compared

[pseudo hamlet]

2 shivs going into KB window I think

[lime crypt]

is there anybody good with weakauras

[lime crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

What are you looking for?

[ashen topaz]

Hey guys, what does the nick of time dagger do? cant find info on it lol

[slate crown]

Hi. Vanish tick already exists on the timer, it’s the white tick at around the 3 second mark. Adding new ticks is something that would take manual work from me as the way I have to implement the dynamic ticks will mess with any extra tick lines you may add

[velvet bridge]

applies a small dot called timestrike

[ashen topaz]

oh ok ty

[strange python]

It duplicates a portion of the damage you do 3 seconds later.

[slate crown]

Check out the custom options tab for configuration options, you’ll find info on Vanish there, the vanish tick will be enabled by default. Also , the vanish tick has an option to hide the vanish tick when you don’t have deathmark on the target. This is the default behavior.

Also, vanish tick does not show unless you have MA talented, this is intentional

[lofty junco]

what key level can i run with no rio on rogue and 450 gs?

[woeful hollow]

rio?

[strange python]

better not try above an 18 just to keep it safe

[lofty junco]

so all until 16 should be ok?

[woeful hollow]

try to get an EB key

for trinket

[slate crown]

!wa Hello. The KB timeline has a tick mark for when to cast major abilities, including Tea. I would recommend looking at it if you want something like that. It’s in my (LE) profile listed here. If you are already familiar and specifically want an icon that glows instead, it’s something I may make, as this has been requested before. However, most of the time people simply haven’t seen the KB timeline aura and that works for them, I wanted to recommend that first, as I personally think it is a better indicator than an icon is.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

Ah I kept scrolling, looks like you found it

[lofty junco]

and what key level to apply without having to try like 10000+ times to get into a grp?

[strange python]

lol prolly like a 9

[lofty junco]

ty. since i ahve 0 at all just wanted to first get some points maybe a bit more ilvl and then slowly raise the level

[jade abyss]

i love you ! Thanks <3

[lofty junco]

since even my guild now only want "godcomp"

[slate crown]

!wa my pack has an envenom bar with ticks, and an energy bar with a tick at 80%, I use those two pieces to help me with pooling all the time, I find them quite useful for pooling personally. (LE)

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lofty junco]

stuff like this

[weak sierra]

Just for what it's worth. I'm like 456 now and am doing 17s and 18s. But started last week with 447 and 0 rating. Getting into 9s was still a bit of a struggle but not too bad.

Gameplay wise 450 you can do higher but I would recommend getting more gear and rating to avoid hours of queueing for 16+

[oak tangle]

i think that guy needs to chill, if he asking that for a 15

[jade abyss]

tell them "Das sie dumm sind" :D

[lofty junco]

and thats our guild and raid lead btw

[marsh grotto]

For Assa, is it double daggers?

[oak tangle]

i mean maybe im above the average, but 15's are where you take your guildmates who dont get alot of keys done for fun

[lofty junco]

yeah had that sort of experience in 10.0 already.

thats why i asked beforehand^^

[worn igloo]

when the tank pulls like 7 packs then tells people to stop damage. Maybe EB is outlaw for sanguine weeks...

[slate crown]

GCD is a standard trigger you can find under the Spell trigger type. You can add such a trigger to any weakaura, and place it in the trigger list wherever it makes sense for each aura’s dynamic information.

[slate crown]

Yes

[prime rover]

Guys, what’s pooling?

[lofty junco]

why would he wants u to stop dmg?

[worn igloo]

bursting

[lofty junco]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[oak tangle]

i have a cloak macro

"can't stop won't stop"

[dark token]

Yeah it's a bit rough with bursting

But I just cloak it

[worn igloo]

33% of my damage that pull was sudden demise.

bro full pulled like 3 packs of lashers

then was like "why we dyin"

[royal lantern]

tank moment

[dark token]

In high keys tank shouldn't pull a 15 pull or whatever with bursting anyway unless people have immunities ready or MD

[steel spire]

Sdemise just goes and we pray it don't roll xd

[oak tangle]

why is your priest not priesting though

[dark token]

I've only seen pulls like that with MD

[slate crown]

How do you feel about elusiveness generally in keys, Vs cheat?

[royal lantern]

cus md is 2min cd now

[worn igloo]

because it's a 2 min cd and they already MD'd the first like, 8 stacks

[lofty junco]

that was the thing with the magic dot from killing mobs?

[dark token]

I always take cheat unless there is a scenario where I cannot live without elusiveness

[worn igloo]

yes.

[lofty junco]

just pick a priest dd/heal

[dark token]

An example would be gale arrow from s1

[oak tangle]

priest dd

[worn igloo]

doesn't matter if I cloak it if the havoc, vengeance and ele are just gonna keep doin' damage

I just wanna practice sin while farmin' branch, is that too much to ask? :(

[dark token]

Cheat is just too useful to fix accidental mistakes

[slate crown]

Fair enough

[midnight mist]

I think everbloom third boss could apply

when he does the fire things ]

[dark token]

The mage?

[worn igloo]

yeah Sol is a rough fight

[midnight mist]

ye

[worn igloo]

she's cracked

[midnight mist]

we tried a 25 this week

it was not healable

at all

[dark token]

Idk why but this week I did it on tyrannical and it did way less dmg than last week

[midnight mist]

and rogue have nothing

we can cloak

[worn igloo]

why our mages not doin' that. We should be getting Sol in for keys

[midnight mist]

but he does his thing every 30 s or somthing

[tawny geyser]

Yes I have, however thank you so much for a detailed response. It is greatly appreciated. I also already imported KB Timeline and it works amazingly… however on the short video in the description of the WA the timeline shows icons, but for me it just shows a line.

[slate crown]

Some things. Cannot cloak save you from some things on her either

[steel spire]

Have yall tried elu though? Or just tc atm

[dark token]

Yeah you might take elusiveness there but even in most keys when I was pushing high I would rotate cloak, paladin sac on stuff that wasn't feintable

[midnight mist]

ye

[dark token]

And not take elusiveness unless the mechanic came so fast u couldn't do rhat

(Gale arrow)

Odyn spears are another good example of you needing externals on a fight

[midnight mist]

but I dont think you can afford that on this boss just because it happens so often

but also

I dont think this boss will stay like that

its a bit stupid

[dark token]

Yeah

Everbloom tyrannical is pretty bad

[oak tangle]

just roll the DH rng, we messed up the adds on first boss of BRH, and just procced darkness on every person

[slate crown]

Check out the custom options tab, there’s an option to enable the icons if you’d like. Personally I don’t play with them, because I like to reduce visual info where possible when it is redundant, but I know there are some people that have a hard time differentiating the colors or who aren’t familiar with the tick meanings that the icons can help.

[tawny geyser]

Oh man dont say that… I just got a +19 and I need the branch😢

[lofty junco]

Are there any keys where u would want to play combat over sin?

[true basalt]

whats combat, never heard of it

[strange python]

no there are no keys i want to play outlaw over sin

[tawny geyser]

Bruh.. imagine learning one more spec. Sin is complicated enough😂

[slate crown]

@midnight mist thx for the input

[oak tangle]

even if outlaw did double the damage, for me that's still a no

[worn igloo]

on packs that ain't gonna live too long (like in lower keys like 15s), do you go bleed spread opener straight into kb? like garrote x2 rupture x2 k

[lofty junco]

u poor child. not playing before legion^^

[tawny geyser]

Outlaw is for people who accidentely picked Rogue but wanted to play Warrior or Survival Hunt

[worn igloo]

or people who think pooling just isn't fun

[oak tangle]

outlaw could be deleted from the game, and it would have no effect on me

[tawny geyser]

Its basically a pirate based spec

Yarrr

[lime crypt]

bro i just had the same shit happen to me lmfao

same dungeon even

[lofty junco]

gimme back my combat specc

[grave geode]

Outlaw is fun but the pace can be a tad overwhelming for my 30 yo brain/hands

[lofty junco]

https://tenor.com/view/xin-xinlab-xinlabs-xindragon-xindragons-gif-9325070284354607048

[lime crypt]

so i can like duplicate this trigger and instead of cooldown/charges/count, i change it to global cooldown and thats it?

(im asking before ill do it in order so i dont fuck anything up)

[true basalt]

playing since 2011 actually

[slate crown]

It depends on what you want it to do

But yes, you can duplicate and change to GCD

What are you hoping this will do?

[midnight mist]

there is also a gcd option in the extra options thing

that will just show the gcd

[slate crown]

Oh right

That’s probably better again depending on what you want

[lime crypt]

theres only thins if you mean by extra options custom options

[slate crown]

No not that one

[jaunty phoenix]

guys what is the reason we're the best aug target?

is it the vers or what?

[slate crown]

Ah, that’s my garrote/rupture

[jaunty phoenix]

cause we're by far the best

[steel spire]

boomer spec #1 our time to shine is now

[lime crypt]

so whenever i press skill, every other skill on WA has gcd thingy, except for rupture and garrote

[steel spire]

zoomers out

[slate crown]

Here, click on the “Extra Options” cogwheel, and check the GCD option

[slate crown]

Are you using Whispyr’s Afenar edit?

[lime crypt]

yes

i feel like theres the glow thingy that overrides it

[slate crown]

So that aura specifically has a lot going on

I would have to take a look when I get to my desk, still getting up

[lime crypt]

so i guess i prolly shouldnt tinker with it and get used to it huh

[slate crown]

Not necessarily. That aura Pack is Whispyr’s but that specific garrote aura is mine

[lime crypt]

i mean its a tiny bitty thing ye, i can still get kinda used to the gcd interval by looking at the skills next to the garrote and rupture, so its not that bad

[slate crown]

I can take a look to see if there’s a way to support it and how easy it would be to add it

[lime crypt]

oíh

you both worked on it? thats nice

[slate crown]

I made that specific aura, and the rupture one, both are in my profile as standalones for anyone to take and use. They’re also in my own pack

The GCD lenience thing is how I know, added that for… reasons, don’t worry about it

[steel spire]

would it be 2 much if pb was baseline

[slate crown]

Wdym pb is based

Best spread

IMO

[slim hamlet]

Does anyone know how the immunity works on 3rd boss everbloom for the glacial orbs

Sometiems you can immune it, sometimes it just doesn't work

Maybe you gotta face it is my theory?

[slate crown]

I have never been able to cloak it

But maybe I’m doing something wrong

[spice surge]

I dont think it works, but if it works i'd imagine its the good ol first second of cloak

[slim hamlet]

It definitely has worked

Just very inconsistant

[slim hamlet]

This could 100% be it too

[spice surge]

Then its probably just working for the first second of cloak

Just like other mechanics have in past

[devout prism]

I usually shadowstep someone to avoid it

[lime crypt]

i absolutely love this man

• assassination one trick
• is blue for sub
• had KiR icon from Outlaw

truly a giga chad

[slim hamlet]

Since it seems like I was only ever able to for the first 1-2 if I wanted to clear a way when it went to shit

[slate crown]

I try to step and always fail cause I’m bad

[slim hamlet]

Surely this s counted as a bug right?

[slim hamlet]

[slate crown]

Then I human racial the stun. . (Then I die on the second )

[slim hamlet]

💀

[devout prism]

Mouse over? Works pretty well

[slate crown]

Yeah I use mouseover

[lime crypt]

i mean you are supposed to be able to cloak it no? since healer can dispell it

[slate crown]

It’s an execution thing, not a tactic thing

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[spice spire]

Real

[slim hamlet]

Yes

Definitely

[scarlet orbit]

what you can cloak and what not follows no common sense same with faint you never know if a aoe is really a aoe or just some random dot dmg on every member of the group

first vortex boss for feint as an example

[slim hamlet]

The problem is you ARE able to cloak it

[spice surge]

I dont think the fire on the ground on that boss is intended to go through cloak either

But you know, it is what it is

[slim hamlet]

Just inconsistant in some way, and what eleem said makes sense

[lime crypt]

true

i mean

[slim hamlet]

Yea that literally makes no sense, had to cloak through it in a higher key and just insta died

[lime crypt]

possesed mage casting physical damage at you

normal thing

[spice surge]

It is fire damage

Just like stuff in neltharion last season was nature damage, yet still went straight through cloak

So did the fire on kazzara

[slim hamlet]

Is there any other mechanics where this 1 sec cloak is a thing in this season?

[oak tangle]

i am yet to be frozen if i cloak the orbs

sample size of small, cause "just dont get hit"

[scarlet orbit]

couldnt they just chance cloak to be a full 5 sec immunity an not this weird 1 s and 4 sec resistiance stuff?

[slim hamlet]

I have been only when I use to try and clear a way

Which would make sense if it's only first 1 sec

[devout prism]

Can you go into the non-m+ version and try it out

[full summit]

Idk if it’s just me but my cloak works just fine 💀

[slim hamlet]

Wait is this why cloaking heroic tswift is weird?

[blazing jewel]

Used to work on larodar orbs on ptr but they took that away from us

[slim hamlet]

the seeds

[spice surge]

This is part of the reason why maintaining that defensive sheet for all dungeons is a pain

[oak tangle]

i was noticing cloak was highly unneffective vs the fire pools on larodar

[timber patrol]

guys really odd question, when starting the opener from invi, do you guys can cast 3 or 4 spells? i do garrote > ambush > rupture > but my ambush (4rd spell) doesnt go through... is because i play with 130ms? or is that normal?

[oak tangle]

also for some reason still take initial damage from bursting

[slate crown]

Welcome friend to the world of spell queuing and subterfuge. That said, you should always be able to get the third GCD off. The 4th GCD has problems for some people, myself included, where it does that

[oak tangle]

4th spell is outside the 3s subterfuge window

[slim hamlet]

yep but it still lets you spellqueue it

[timber patrol]

ok so normal is 3 but sometimes is possible for the 4th?

[slim hamlet]

so it staggers a tiny bit

diesofcringe

[grand trail]

Press the button harder

[timber patrol]

sometimes it goes through and others it doesnt

any way to fix it? tried with /console SpellQueueWindow X and stuff but no fix

[slim hamlet]

It shouldn't be able to use a 4th, pretty sure it's a bug when talenting imp garrote

[timber patrol]

ahhh

[oak tangle]

wait so is this what you guys mean by your stealth bars changing and whatnot? is there a world in which you don't get spell queuing?

cause i have never ever had this issue

[slim hamlet]

as long as you press a spell the set amount before a gcd is available it spell queues

[strange python]

Do you have ambush on your stealth bar or mutilate?

[spice surge]

Its not possible to cast 4 spells in a 3 second window no

[oak tangle]

ambush

[slate crown]

Yeah you aren’t (should be able to) able to get a 4th spell off. But that 4th spell can queue as ambush and stutter your next cast delaying it

[spice surge]

All of our globals at 1 second

[slim hamlet]

so in this case it spell queues an ambush, but says "wait u cant actually do that" and it staggers

[strange python]

Sub has had this same issue for years - but they don't notice as often because they are usually on a finisher that last gcd of dance.

[slim hamlet]

It is possible, but it shouldn't

[timber patrol]

i mean the 1st garrote you use is not inside the subte

so 1 of 5 im able to cast 4 spells garrote > ambush > rupture > ambush

but most times i cant haha

[static crystal]

Should I run caustic spatter on Heroic Fyrrak? I'm not sure there is enough add grouping / uptime for it to make sense or not

[slim hamlet]

Yes but the 3 seconds makes you able to use 2 spells after u are out of stealth

not 3

the last second runs out right as you would be able to cast

making it stagger

[oak tangle]

people don't consider the first cast's gcd

[strange python]

If spatter's gonna hit something - you're usually just best running spatter.

[timber patrol]

ok so the opener should be garrote > ambush > rupture and thats it? then mutilate

[slim hamlet]

Yes, you can do 1 cast from stealth + 2 from subterfuge

[slim hamlet]

ye

[static crystal]

4.15M damage from spatter on best pull. Not sure how that would compare

[strange python]

I'm sure it's a lot higher than IB

[static crystal]

Cool, ty

[oak tangle]

can someone send a dk our raids way, so we can group the adds

[timber patrol]

also im ilvl 430. and im suffering alot from energy, like in ST bosses im sometimes idle just melee any ideas?

[slate crown]

That’s how the spec works

Totally normal outside of CDs

[timber patrol]

😮

[slate crown]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[oak tangle]

my suggestion is to have this discord as your last visited app before wow, and alt tab mid fight to shitpost

[timber patrol]

LMAO

[static crystal]

That's the time you get to chat with the other melee about how their life is going

[slim hamlet]

Spatter is only good on fyrakk if shit is actually stacked, and when things don't insta die which they probably will with current gear

[slate crown]

[timber patrol]

feels odd.. was playin Subtlety and Outlaw in S1 lel

[grim jay]

*to shittalk them and ask them where they are in details

[slim hamlet]

Like our last week nothing was stacked so it did nothing, and this week everything legit insta died

[strange python]

I was gonna compare some logs for you - but I can't because 100% of sin rogues on h - just spec spatter

[oak tangle]

it's how i made this

[slate crown]

Literally pooling let’s me focus on the field more and mechanics (and by mechanics I mean alt tabbing to discord)

[static crystal]

Lol seems like a clear answer then. Thanks :p

[steel spire]

patience gapped tbh

[spice surge]

Not having buttons to press every global on singletarget is intentional, that is how assa is played

[timber patrol]

interesting

[static crystal]

Other classes complain about ramping. It's our ramping. "WHY ARE YOU JUST STANDING THERE?!"

"IM RAMPING!"

[timber patrol]

do you guys think DH will get nerfd? having both Tank and dps spec being meta feels odd

[nova kelp]

zzzzzzzzz

I hope they don't

[lusty kraken]

We’ll most likely find out today if they do any tuning

[static crystal]

Need to nurf the other PI target classes so there is no more debate

[spice surge]

I dont think any rogue spec should be complaining about them needing to nerf to other classes

[cunning basin]

This is peak and I do it so much

Bless

Just know if I'm shit posting in here I'm probably fighting iridikron or manifested time ways

[static crystal]

I'll be in EB another 15 times trying to get branch to drop 🥲

[nova kelp]

there's a trick, you need to click the chest at the end

[cunning basin]

Stay strong

[spice surge]

You dont actually, just take it from the mailbox

[static crystal]

That doesn't sound right. I'd have to plug my monitor back in to find where to click. That doesn't sound like the right melee mindset

[nova kelp]

the chest click works ok for me

[static crystal]

You're a monster

[nova kelp]

but I don't have a second 483 nick so maybe I need to try the mail box trick

[static crystal]

I haven't had a S3 trinket drop yet lol

[slate crown]

U should try the great vault trick instead

[idle radish]

am i bad at sin or good at outlaw if i outperform sin as outlaw in keys? or both? or neither? buff sin? buff me?

[nova kelp]

true though, I had to use my first one for 4 piece 😢

[steel stump]

Ian would say it's a skill issue

[idle radish]

why dont pug tanks let me restealth as sin in keys

[cunning basin]

Tossup really both specs are fine for their respective damage profiles

[nova kelp]

I get more upset about restealths as outlaw than I do sin

[steel stump]

must ... chain ... every .. pull

[cunning basin]

Cuz they don't give a shit and neither should you, restealths are propaganda

[steel stump]

it's annoying tbh

[nova kelp]

restealths aren't that big of a deal

[oak tangle]

they see me poolin', they hatin', holdin and tryna get back some energy

[idle radish]

both suck but denying sin restealth is for sure worse right? vanish is basically a 20second CD for outlaw

[fickle siren]

its really weird coming from outlaw, but i kinda start to like it

[cunning basin]

It is technically worse for outlaw I do believe

[nova kelp]

it's not really that big of a deal as sin

[idle radish]

i must be bad at math

[steel stump]

no spread on start of the pull is pepega

[cunning basin]

We have a command for why it doesn't matter

[idle radish]

what is it

[cunning basin]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[regal heath]

guys what do you think about the tea? would you rather use it to burst with king's bane or just use for energy regen?

[oak tangle]

yes

😄

[idle radish]

that command disagrees with me therefore it is wrong

[cunning basin]

You use a charge with KB to not overcap and use it for energy the rest of the time

[cunning basin]

...based?? Melee brain goes hard??

[idle radish]

im so hard rn

[opaque moth]

I have a question, I've been looking for resources regarding this new build I see ass running with no CT in M+ is there anywhere I've missed so I could read up on it or a video on it?

[cunning basin]

There's a no CT build for m+?

[idle radish]

playing outlaw in a key mashing buttons then doing sin keys is wows version of being bipolar

[opaque moth]

Zerocool has been running it

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVFRRFURQmJBQCUQNVURUVUZUEEoVQBF

[cunning basin]

Is that person pushing like 25 keys

Can't really see a world where no CT works in lower keys

But maybe

[opaque moth]

Yeah he's the top ass rogue

[idle radish]

this question is based purely of random thoughts i just had but is sudden demise kinda useless dmg? esp in non high/hard keys

[cunning basin]

Oh

[opaque moth]

I've seen a couple others running it too

[oak tangle]

my question for you is this, what level keys are you doing, and if high are they pugs

[cunning basin]

Yeah no don't pay attention to that then, unless you're pushing those kinda keys where you'll consistently have a KB target for the entire pull, I wouldn't be worried about it.

[slate crown]

It’s literally ST raid build with spatter and dashing-> IC imp poison -> IW

[grim jay]

I honestly dont know how much dmg my ct deals in keys

[clear shell]

On M+ do I use my cds on a main target when all the bleeds are applied? I imagine with spatter will do a lot of dmg right?

[grim jay]

Overall

[oak tangle]

because even in 20's my dumb ass dh friend will wait till i've opened up before deciding to pull more mobs

[grim jay]

Also more St - > more Spatter in some way

[idle radish]

im like 2900io in pugs, so im not pushing 23s+. most of my keys have been farming 17s

[opaque moth]

I'm just starting out, on ass tbh

[cunning basin]

That build is pretty based tbh

[oak tangle]

oh i didn't mean for you, but umm not necessarily useless, i feel it can help stack bursting, without extending as much

[opaque moth]

It looks sick though that's why I wanted to learn about it. xD

[cunning basin]

Like if you're pushing that high of keys you actually just rely on cleave with IC and spatter to do your heavy lifting

[slate crown]

Also I tried that build on a WCM 20 and it felt awful because again, key level too low, it was nice on bosses but that’s it

[oak tangle]

This HEAVILY relies on your tank pulling for you though

[cunning basin]

Problem is it probably does fuck all on low keys

[cunning basin]

Yeah, it's a sick build for pushing

[idle radish]

would you guys say sin is much less pug friendly than outlaw?

[cunning basin]

Probably useless for the vast majority of keys

[opaque moth]

So kind of like the FN build last season for enhance then. Its a funnel based build then needs to be played around and isn't plug and play.

[slate crown]

Probably? Outlaw can just go all the time.

[opaque moth]

At around 22~24 on my enh so I'm hoping to hit at least that on my rogue its been a lot of fun.

[cunning basin]

From looking at the tree it would def seem that way

[slate crown]

IDN I only play sin

[oak tangle]

us as a spec is this right now, but the build you're looking at leans even more into it

[cunning basin]

Gonna save that build for when my group starts pushing

[oak tangle]

but you can make do more than well enough

[opaque moth]

By the way, thanks for talking shop. 😄

[oak tangle]

you're lucky, normally this is just off topic

[opaque moth]

💀

[grim jay]

Depends

[cunning basin]

Hey we're helpful

[oak tangle]

on whether we consider on topic to be off topic and vice versa?

[cunning basin]

We help people

Don't we??

[grim jay]

Right

We decide what it is

[still creek]

/dagger

[oak tangle]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[still creek]

ty xd

[echo island]

How do i do a sim with and without PI?

[echo island]

ohh

the menu was not expanded

thx

😄

[lavish jungle]

just had a Sin rogue in my party and they just wrecked everything! since when did Sin became AOE god!?!

[strange python]

11/7/2023

[spiral pasture]

since 10,2

[lavish jungle]

damn, time to brush off my sin rogue who been collecting dust since Legion then 🙂

[keen spruce]

[reef frigate]

Wait until we see the nerfs tomorrow

[strange python]

go from being op with PI - to needing PI to be relevant

[crisp steppe]

its also very fun @lavish jungle login

[solemn mason]

Idk anything 20 and under things die too fast so I been just running normal raid build and let cs and kb go brrrrrrr

Check the button or uncheck button that's labeled pi at the bottom of raid Buffs

[oak tangle]

what happened in July?

[strange python]

you read it like month / day / year here

[oak tangle]

why would anyone do that

XD

[strange python]

it's just what we do lol

When it's just how it always was, it seems normal hah

[heavy scaffold]

is there any difference between rupture without stealth or with

[oak tangle]

yes, but kinda no

[coarse bear]

Nightstalker snapshot

[strange python]

also Indiscriminate Carnage

[heavy scaffold]

ok ty

[oak tangle]

i dropped $1500 on new PC parts today, you guys think i can get more than 60 fps in valdrakken?

[strange python]

uh

that's a lot of money just for parts

[oak tangle]

welcome to my land down under, where we pay a premium for shipping

[strange python]

what'd you get gpu, cpu, ?

[lime crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[oak tangle]

14700K, mobo, ram, and a cpu cooler

[strange python]

oh wow - what GPU you running

[oak tangle]

i have a 3080

[strange python]

and is it just like a cooler master - air-based cooler?

[oak tangle]

that was 1500 when i got it before the big inflation

nah it's a aio

[strange python]

what is aio?

[oak tangle]

all in one, watercooling loop

[strange python]

ahh ok with the radiator in the back (or top) yeah inclusive of the fan

[oak tangle]

yeah

[strange python]

yeah so i have a 13700f and a 3070

and i run 144 everywhere

so you should be just fine

air cooled cpu

[oak tangle]

i'm upgrading from a 10900k, and 1 core gets spammed by wow

[steel spire]

WE ARE FREE

[strange python]

wasn't the 10900k a TRUE 8 core or something though?

[timber meadow]

why on wowhead does it have the igira the cruel belt as bis vs. just a crafted belt?

[strange python]

that thing was like different for some reason, and i can't remember the difference

[fallow acorn]

nice!

[oak tangle]

it was 10 i believe

[naive elm]

When you sim, do you dungeon slize or 5 target patchwork, fx for m+?

[strange python]

cause the ilvl goes higher

[strange python]

yeah that is a good CPU though for sure (the 10900k)

[limber acorn]

I can't seem to get off a garrote>amubush>rupture>ambush in opener, haste too low or? 62ms ping

[oak tangle]

getting shrekt

[lime crypt]

In aoe scenario, what do you do after this?

do you keep on using mutilate as builder

[toxic whale]

which build is better for m+? the blindside ap or posion bomb one?

[lime crypt]

while in kingsbane

[steel spire]

i could get the ambush in sometimes idk why

[strange python]

yeah interesting - that's during gameplay or what

[oak tangle]

just in valdrakken, the game isn't hyperthreaded

[lime crypt]

or do you keep on using Fan of Knives as a builder even in kingbane?

[oak tangle]

that's idling at 72 fps, i get 200+ in open world

[strange python]

yeah is that just showing each core though?

[oak tangle]

yeah

[strange python]

if 1 core goes up, that's not a huge deal

that coudl even be windows bs

[oak tangle]

nah it's just cause the 10900 has low speed which is all that matters for wow

[strange python]

gotcha

[crisp steppe]

@limber acorn u mess with ur spellqueuewindow at all?

[strange python]

you good at putting that thermal paste on right?

dont f that up man!

[limber acorn]

No I haven't

[naive elm]

Can't find anything in the wowhead guide about simming in raidbots, for m+ what would you say is the best option for simming?

[crisp steppe]

ok then I have no idea 😦

[limber acorn]

its at default

[crisp steppe]

yeah default is good

[limber acorn]

idk where the option even is at lol

[crisp steppe]

don't think its part of the default options

advanced interface options (aio) or scripts can do it for u

thats the name of an addon

but the default is good so wouldn't bother

[strange python]

hey, they just told me aio means all-in-one

[serene basin]

You maintain the spatter in the main target with mutilate and build with fok

[strange python]

dont go confusing me

[crisp steppe]

u right 😄

[static crystal]

I need to figure out my pooling windows better. I'm still in hardcore spam mode

[lime crypt]

thanks

[strange python]

pooling - to me - is just a matter of having a properly-setup ui

[static crystal]

<When> to pool seems like more of a feeling though

[steel spire]

we are kenshi

[static crystal]

And my ui is a mess

[steel spire]

blades guide us

🙏🏾

[serene basin]

Not really a feeling, you pool when your cds are near or coming down from cd

[strange python]

or just go balls to the wall and chug a tea bruh

[cerulean nest]

likelihood they put out tuning tomorrow?

[serene basin]

So you can have uptime on your envenom

[serene basin]

To the window, to the wall?

[strange python]

or just spec ttk and never worry about any of it again

and just always be in the envenom window

[static crystal]

Even between CDs, should still pool more to allow for env chains more. That's the part I'm missing the feel on

I need to check my log for envenom uptime maybe

[strange python]

yeah the goal is 95%

but realistically i guess 85-90 is good'ish?

[vast loom]

85% is really low

[oak tangle]

depends on the fight

[vast loom]

of course but assuming uptime

[hearty onyx]

on trash in higher keys, after doing double garrote in opener, do we refresh it on secondary targets when it runs out? do we refresh rupture? Like, manually 1 by 1?

[vast loom]

i try to stick to volocross style fights when looking for rotation issues

[oak tangle]

i messed up

[static crystal]

80% on Fyrakk....hmmmmm

[oak tangle]

doable

[strange python]

close enough huh

[static crystal]

I'm going to see if my 80% is reasonable from a random parse

[keen spruce]

I had about 89% on M volcross without really pooling at all

and just pressin buttons

[weak vessel]

Does any1 has +20 fall to run?>

[strange python]

min is 74.79 on fyrakk

[keen spruce]

83% on H fyrak

[signal wren]

On tyranical, if youre a min maxxing legend like me and already have slice and dice up. Garrotte garotte rupture fan rupture and that should be good til the trash is dead

[atomic night]

Hi everyone, I asked recently how to dummy parse without Vanish resetong the meter, I was pointed out to ticking the " use dynamic overall" box. i have done so, but it still resets after vanish, am I missing something?

[static crystal]

83% was uptime on a top 100 parse. So I could maybe do more....but some of my downtime was at the end during wipe, it seems. So maybe I'm ok

[signal wren]

Unless its a big mob in which case you refresh durring kingsbane shadowdance stuff

[oak tangle]

instead of looking at current segment, look at overall

[deep latch]

How does the the Venom Rush/AP build play AoE? Just spread bleeds and fok?

[strange python]

the same as any other build

[atomic night]

I'm prettu sure I did that and it still resets. I'll try again when I get home from work. Tks for the reply

[hearty onyx]

ye so most "small trash" should die before i need to refresh my shit, and i just keep refreshing on my big main target? ty

[strange python]

if you're doing aoe - and not running out of energy - you can assume it's fine

when you get to that point - you gotta decide what to do - tab it out, use a dance, vanish, whatever.

[oak tangle]

idk bout you, but mobs generally can last a refresh in higher keys

do i just need to hustle more

[keen spruce]

depends on if they're going to live long enough to get value out of re-dotting it. but the short answer if yes

[strange python]

yeah i mean so much of it is just situational

like tank pulled a 5-pack

[keen spruce]

if you don't have vanish or dance

[strange python]

then drags 2 into a 4 pack

[signal wren]

The only time you would refresh would be when you can do it with stealth buf

[keen spruce]

then you should be manually dotting

[strange python]

or soemthing, it's just always changing

[signal wren]

Stuff should die before you need to refresh without it

[strange python]

not sure that's true

[keen spruce]

this is not true

[strange python]

There's nothing wrong with tabbing ruptures around

[strange python]

They'll wait until next week is my guess

[keen spruce]

but

you will often not NEED to re-dot

[strange python]

And I suspect we'll be neutered for being PI and aug targets

[keen spruce]

because you have enough coverage

[strange python]

I mean if you can yeah that's preferable though for sure

[keen spruce]

with dance and vnaish

but if you don't have that coverage

you should manually redot

if the mobs will live long enough

[oak tangle]

probably a bad habit, but i'll send a CT and a shiv when they're low

[keen spruce]

which is rare

[oak tangle]

cause whytf not

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

i rupture a lot of low mobs though - for the energy regen

that's just a habit

[swift escarp]

Could someone help me with two things?
1- Does anyone have a macro to click and apply all poisons?
2- Does anyone have a macro for tricks, for example [@focus (if it exists)] [@mouseover (if it exists)] [@tank]?

[outer cairn]

Yep

[oak tangle]

1 - cannot be done
2 - yes

[strange python]

I just use clique addon - and top-button click the tricks target.

[outer cairn]

Do /castsequence reset=10 Then poisons separate by ,

[tranquil cobalt]

I am curious if we will be nerfed for these reasons. Not sure sin deserves one anymore than havoc or hunter

[strange python]

Of course it doesn't

[tranquil cobalt]

Havoc damage in keys is just completely unbalanced

[strange python]

I mean I can't in good conscious say it would be at all fair to nerf all sin rogues because of aug and pi.

some of us dont get that shit

[tranquil cobalt]

I mean I agree with you. But I am scared blizz will anyways

[strange python]

Without PI sin is solidly on the upper ranges of specs, but not at all an outlier.

[mighty nexus]

You guys get PI? My pug spriests usually just PI themselves

[strange python]

While hunters and DHs and enhance do as much damage without it

[strange python]

dont they have a talent where they get it too?

Yes

Pugs are still PIing mages though.

[tranquil cobalt]

I think of hunter dh and sin rogue, rogue is the least likely to be nerfed. But who knows

[strange python]

i mean A) i feel like playing sub anyway (which doesn't rely on pi) and B) if we get nerfed, i'll definitely just be playing sub

I think it's the most likely to be nerfed because of community whining

[tranquil cobalt]

Just because sin rogue in keys isn't busted like hunters and havoc

[strange python]

not in keys though

[oak tangle]

my holy priest listened to me when i was like "yo just pi me like 10 secs in" and we've been vibing since

[strange python]

I could see a spatter nerf being reasonable, but pure single target nerfs would be super cringe

[hearty onyx]

aaaaand when it comes to redotting trash in m+, we only care about ruptures, garrote is only if we got dance or vanish ye?

[strange python]

caustic spatter is our iconic ability now. they better not nerf it

[keen spruce]

it's pretty hard to maintain garrote on more than 2-3 targets

[tranquil cobalt]

It will just make the spec be not played again. If sin doesn't do really good ST damage, there really isn't a reason to play it instead of the other two rogue specs

[keen spruce]

but you might as well throw it out

again this is really not going to be a main focus of what you're doing

[oak tangle]

impossible even

[signal wren]

Brother on tyranical, if you have such bad cd timings and restealths AND damage that you are MANUALLY dotting each individual mob. Then its time to go back to roblox

[strange python]

so when it gets bad enough - ie. i'm fok rupture-tabbing. I'll just garrote a target i'm about to rupture, if it comes off cd. It's defiitely worth it to spend the global to apply it to a fresh target (assuming it's gonna live).

[hearty onyx]

i havent even gone into a key yet as assa, just preparing

[keen spruce]

that doesn't make your untrue statement any more true lol

[oak tangle]

@keen spruce what's ur io in roblox

[strange python]

you dont wanna complete with me in roblox - i'll call my nephew

i been getting him like gift cards for that place for the last 3-4 years...he's gotta be stacked.

[strange python]

This is the big problem with the rework that has gone unnoticed because the spec is fun. Sin is now competing for PI and tuning that is a fight line. Either we're the best PI target, tuned with PI in mind, and aren't super strong without it. Or we are tuned without PI in mind and are unreasonably strong when getting it.

[keen spruce]

pinkfoot is at least 4.5k rio

[oak tangle]

was not expecting this

[strange python]

Idk how you fix it other than deleting PI, which they aren't going to do

You literally cannot tune a spec with PI in mind - that is so ack-basswards

unless they HAVE pi

But ask any unholy DK right now how they feel.

[desert inlet]

delete PI delete PI delete PI

[keen spruce]

I was not expecting to remember my roblox password either tbh

[strange python]

Unholy is not all that bad with PI right now, but they don't get PI and they feel like SHIT

[rotund wagon]

Dks don’t have feelings

[strange python]

That could be us after tuning easily

[rotund wagon]

They have slappy hands

[signal wren]

Pretty sure spam dotting everything is a dps loss with 4 piece, and caustic spatter so

Thats unfortunate

[strange python]

yeah til you run out of energy cause you didn't do it

[mighty nexus]

If we all go brick some +15 pugs key a few times a week, we can sandbag our stats and avoid nerf

[signal wren]

Again that never happens if you know the key and time your cds correctly

[strange python]

ok man

[signal wren]

And your tank understands that youre assa

[oak tangle]

i'm all for sin being strong, but this may be too much of a gap
H Nymue

[strange python]

How much of that is PI and bugged aug hooks?

[gray crest]

That's a lot of fucking conditions on there bud

[hearty onyx]

what is the main focus in big trashpacks? dott up on arrival and keep the 4p envenom going? + a kb rotation in there? and the spatter dot up?

[keen spruce]

yes

[wild mural]

He’s been riling people up all morning. Just look at his logs and move on.

[strange python]

If the prio target is gonna survivie the KB - yeah you get it in

You also parsed higher than the other good classes

[strange python]

yeah i know he's arguing with like 5 people just because he said something wrong like 8 minutes ago

[signal wren]

I know for a fact youre blue parse pilled

[oak tangle]

i know, but normally we are close

they are good players

[signal wren]

Thats what it takes to time high keys so

Yea

[keen spruce]

bleed up as much as possible/convenient. get spatter up on a high health mob. slam CDs into it.

[strange python]

ngl, i dont even know what that means

Well sure. But they played bad on this fight

[signal wren]

Also its like 3 conditions

[keen spruce]

not rly

[strange python]

Comparing blue parses to high purple parses isn't 1:1

[gray crest]

"if you ignore these specific conditions (that are common) this thing is great"

[hearty onyx]

ty sir

[mighty nexus]

I think the translation is “you’re probably ass”
Never seen that term before

[strange python]

yeah i don't get it - like did he look me up to insult my logs - because he said something that like 5 people corrected him on? I'm just confused.

[signal wren]

Very really

[novel veldt]

!fuu

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[keen spruce]

I mean are we talkin about r1 keys?

[strange python]

I started the tier at 437 ilvl in heroic lol with 0p any tier. i came back to the game nov 6th. it is what it is.

[keen spruce]

i'll conceed that your group needs to play well yeah

lol

[lyric grail]

Do we basically only switch splatter/rupture for cleave/st raid bosses ?

[safe zodiac]

suppose im having 1 shiv and 1 thristle tea and i have my dm and kingsbane ready, do i pop both at the initial damage? or the last 5 seconds of it?

[keen spruce]

but like

23s/24s

[strange python]

End

[signal wren]

20’s and higher if you cant time your cds youre trolling

[oak tangle]

yeah this aint it fam

lol

[strange python]

ideally - you don't have that situation - because you save your shivs FOR kingsbane though.

20s are a joke lol

[gray crest]

I'll take "I've never pugged a key in my life for 500"

[strange python]

Shit 23s are a joke

[rotund wagon]

You can rip 20s right now without a thought in the world

[lyric grail]

Do we basically only switch splatter/rupture for cleave/st raid bosses ?

[ancient rain]

sometimes i'm living the good life and stumble upon the realization that some people actually care about m+ and play it because they like it. damn

[safe zodiac]

ok so shiv at first and thristle tea in the end if i was in that situation?

[keen spruce]

ye

[signal wren]

Ive pugged 80% of my keys this season

[oak tangle]

i time 20's where i see a pack and go like. yeah cbf'd kbin'g no big target, unsure why you think you have to time cd's

[keen spruce]

that wasn't the discussion or original question at all

lol

[signal wren]

And ive never been so down bad that im manually dotting each individual mob

[keen spruce]

but also

[signal wren]

Thats so troll

Especially with 4 set

[frigid maple]

Yes and u run the triple garrote/rupture on council. Thats it

[keen spruce]

kinda wrong

[ancient rain]

if you have only 1 shit and tea, use both to empower the end of your KB

[lost hamlet]

!wa

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[signal wren]

There is not a single pull where i cant garrotte and rupture everything

[wild mural]

You don’t need to redot on tyran 20-21s

Which you haven’t done anything above

[signal wren]

And there is RARELY a pull where stuff doesnt die before then

Before they end*

[oak tangle]

:/

[signal wren]

If there is thats why kb and sd exist

[keen spruce]

that doesn't change the fact. that if you don't have coverage, you should manually dot

[signal wren]

And vanish

[keen spruce]

idk why you're not understanding the scope of the conversation we're having

[signal wren]

You should but if you get to that point its time to go back to roblox im sorry

[wild mural]

This is why

[oak tangle]

i'm not gonna say you can do no dps, but timing keys aint that much about dps, it's about living

[harsh anchor]

[signal wren]

If the stuff is still high enough hp that you can build that much combo points and energy to dot it all

Its over

[keen spruce]

i mean no it's not

[signal wren]

Goated

[strange python]

keep digging lol

[keen spruce]

lol

[strange python]

it's literally FOK - tab FOK - tab - there's nothing complicated about it.

[oak tangle]

is this guy really out here claiming you can't time keys if a pack lives a dot refresh

[strange python]

lol we think

[keen spruce]

routing mistakes by your tank, CD management mistakes by yourself, butt pulls, bad chain pulls, incidental broken stealth. these can all lead to situations where you'd want to manutally dot mobs

and you should know what to do in those situations

and i'm glad the person was curious to know how to handle those situations

[strange python]

we're not really sure

but he keeps going

[oak tangle]

guess it's impossible to time fortified week

[keen spruce]

instead of just quitting like you suggest @signal wren

[strange python]

"oof bad pull, beter call it, it's over"

[velvet robin]

sometimes in m+ its worth saving vanish instead of reapplying at the end of kb

[keen spruce]

it's like... a perfectly reasonable question to have

and one that is good to know the answer to lol

[rotund wagon]

The best part is his higher fort keys where things would have the best chance to survive to new a refresh are the ones not timed. Shoulda refreshed

[strange python]

agree

I'll say this - you can tell the people that played sin before 10.2 (in keys) and the ones that honestly never did (or at least never pushed)

Because fundamentally, it's all still the same - with extra goodness on the top now

[oak tangle]

is it cause the ones who played sin before apologize before the key

[strange python]

wait for timer to hit 2

then apologize

[haughty flicker]

swapping spec during cd

[keen spruce]

sign up as sub, talent swap during countdown

[haughty flicker]

so they think you were sub

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

"i dunno guys, i said it before you put it in"

[rotund wagon]

Got the spec change timed for the countdown perfectly for sin

[keen spruce]

ol' reliable

[velvet robin]

tbf sin wasnt horrible in s1 either

[oak tangle]

the backhanded compliments you get some times "you're the best assassin rogue i've seen"

[velvet robin]

IC was a godsend coming into DF

[strange python]

sin really honestly never was as horrible as anyone made it out to be...like yeah it had issues but it has never not been fully capable of 20's (assuming 20's were a thing that season)

[vestal cliff]

With the new 4set is there a Situation where we spam crimson tempest instead of envenom?

[keen spruce]

-2/3 key levels is pretty terrible in the scope of m+ conversations. but it didn't mean that you couldn't do content on it

[oak tangle]

it wasn't bad, but honestly, why play sin when sub was a spec

[velvet robin]

it was very easy to time 20s

[strange python]

you never spam it no - it has no insta damage anymore

that's even without 4 set

[oak tangle]

sub could do the aoe, and no forgo any semblance of boss damage

[velvet robin]

Youre right but we play the game for fun and play the classes we like the most. almost 100% of us arent pushing the highest content in the world so there is no need to worry about +- 2/3 key levels

[devout prism]

play the build without CT, it's liberating

[vestal cliff]

Damn thanks didnt see that lol

[strange python]

yeah, there's always been better options available in the rogue toolkit

[velvet marten]

Question: I'm new to rouge all around coming from Pali, I feel my ST is ok ofc needing work but my aoe feels odd. I Sim 5traget dummy for 277k dps 3min and I come out like 220ish. Em I intended to tab or click on all the adds and keep my bleeds up? On all 5?feels really spammy rn with FOK is this normal. I want to jump on this before I get into bad habits.

[keen spruce]

true and real

[strange python]

you should read and digest the aoe guide, then read/digest it again. Then watch Whispyr's videos (on the real).

[oak tangle]

not bad to be that close to be honest

[devout prism]

been running this in tyrannical and it feels real good
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVFRRFURQmJBQCUQNVURUVUZUEEoVQBF

[strange python]

You're just gonna get a better answer from the guide and his video

[gray hazel]

Is the crit rune the simc default?

[keen spruce]

Indiscriminate carnage should 95% of it spreading bleeds for you. you may need to tab target or click on nameplates a little bit to maximize what's getting hit.

packs will generally not live long enough for you to need to reapply anything

[strange python]

oh yeah 5 - is really simple - garrote the main target twice...and rupture him twice (within the first 10 seconds of the fight).

[desert inlet]

ok but what if they do

[signal wren]

You talk a lot for a blue parse pilled parry holy moly

[desert inlet]

is it over??

[oak tangle]

what is this insult hahahaha

[keen spruce]

you go back to roblox

[strange python]

bruh - why are you on my jock dude?

[keen spruce]

ofc

[velvet marten]

I will have to watch h them vids iv read the guides I'll look back at them cheers ty. ❤️

[strange python]

I literally just come here to help noobs and chill with my homies.

I aint tryinga fight with you man just lay off me

[keen spruce]

Whispyr has a lot of good content on youtube for people startin out on the spec

[oak tangle]

i get purples, schmeeps probs get oranges idfk, are you gonna just ignore us and flame some guy over a video game

[velvet marten]

Cheers I'll take a look when I get back home.

[vestal cliff]

Do u guys think they will nerf assa?

[wide rapids]

!fuu

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[velvet robin]

Do you think sin rogue is really in a position to be nerfed?

[oak tangle]

yeah 😦

[vestal cliff]

Not for m+ but in raid it looks busted

[strange python]

And for the record, when i actually play, i dont do too bad

[oak tangle]

fake logs, that's not an expansion i know of

[strange python]

lol

[harsh anchor]

Whatever happens, be ready for a post-nerf parse partition

[strange python]

i'm just saying i duno why he's calling a dude that just came back "blue parser parry" or whatever lol

[velvet robin]

for raid its a decent spec but its not overperforming at all imo

[keen spruce]

I wasn't gonna bring it up but

[signal wren]

Oh pal i get both

[empty lava]

when unholy and demo are giga blasting st for few seasons in raid its ok

[signal wren]

Youre not safe

[strange python]

I mean i know HOW to play - but like I said, i came back 21 days ago at probably 300's ilvl

[wild mural]

Do you?

[keen spruce]

I don't think your parses or your rio really mean that much when talking about right and wrong. except for your experience at a certain key level

[signal wren]

Yes those are goated parses for a first time assa rogue

Holy moly

[keen spruce]