#assassination

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pliant remnant
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I use this one

real stirrup
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!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
signal wren
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yea with brand

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-.8%

slim hamlet
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Sims say 95% at bis, realistically 85-90% in a fight is good

signal wren
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crazy

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I am a low haste gamer tho yall are prolly right

odd sierra
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@pliant remnant love it ty

wild birch
slim hamlet
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ofc a haste trinket is gonna be good

signal wren
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well I usually run the runes that give haste on my weapons

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so

slim hamlet
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Just like branch making mastery worse

signal wren
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idk if i should keep running those now

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because that puts me up to 15% haste i believe

slim hamlet
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the enchant is not a direct stat buff

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it's a proc

signal wren
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no its direct

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the runes are

lucid rain
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why does branch make mastery worse?

signal wren
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not the enchants

slim hamlet
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oh

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those

strange python
lunar helm
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It's not 'worse'

lucid rain
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at what point does DR occur?

slim hamlet
strange python
slim hamlet
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Just depends on boss mostly

still creek
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Is ashes better than branch if you take all blobs from branch at the same time? Like is it only alot better if you do 1-1-7?

slim hamlet
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Not much you can do for uptime outside of what you would usually do

strange python
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ie. doesn't matter if it dr's at 2800 or 3300 or 5800. If the sims still say mastery enchant better, it is what it is.

slim hamlet
lunar helm
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it's devalued

slim hamlet
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If you want 4k without branch, and with branch you want 3k

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it's worse

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That is like

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what the word means

lunar helm
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Not really

slim hamlet
slate crown
strange python
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^^ the lines in the bar are better (for me) lets you plan ahead easier.

slim hamlet
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"less good or desireable"

strange python
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jesus h

lunar helm
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im just gonna block you

slim hamlet
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There we go

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Bro said something wrong and would rather be salty than admit it

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classic

strange python
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fucking blue-names, always fighting

slim hamlet
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yea mb

strange python
lunar helm
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you're just not ever gonna say anything worth interacting with, clearly

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just gonna be rude

slim hamlet
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Yep true

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I am sorry I used a word that offended you

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Genuinely want to know when I was rude

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I will be better next time

strange python
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just dont dm him PogO

solar tangle
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whats up in sin channel, pls chill 😄

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all the new fotm rerolls ? 😄

slim hamlet
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We are just having english lessons

strange python
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ahh finaly some yellow up in here

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you crackshot enjoyer

solar tangle
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Sure 😄

slim hamlet
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I specced into outlaw for 2 minutes and now raider.io says I am outlaw

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I am doomed

solar tangle
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Please Sin players, dont take my job

grim jay
grand trail
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should i change my colour on daily basis? as i do play all 3 spec as im rogue player

solar tangle
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😄

strange python
grim jay
strange python
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for all-3-enjoyers

solar tangle
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i think sin is fine, just escalating with externals 😄

grand trail
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true

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i miss old combat tho

strange python
slim hamlet
grim jay
static glacier
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Combat was kinda just ss > evisc on repeat

strange python
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if they put a BC spec in the game for boomers, i'd play it.

slim hamlet
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BC?

static glacier
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Bm exists

strange python
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if the rotation was "ss til 5 CP, then evisc" i'd do it

lucid rain
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battlecruiser

strange python
slim hamlet
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Isn't that what bm hunter is

static glacier
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Send KC on cd, send barbed shot on cd, spam cobra

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There u go

strange python
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i used my boost on a hunter

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and fuck if i could do 40k on the dummy

slim hamlet
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You do 40k by just autoing and letting your pets auto

strange python
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I dont even know if i had all my spells out though but i tried

slim hamlet
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?

strange python
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gave up

static glacier
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Was this before 10.2?

strange python
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nah i'd get my stacks of frenzy

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and then like steady shot

slim hamlet
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Did you summon your pets?

static glacier
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U can’t stop frenzy stacks any@ore

strange python
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i dunno what they're supposed to do lol

static glacier
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Steady shot isn’t used by bm

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Ever

strange python
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oh well i definitely had it and was using it

slim hamlet
strange python
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lol

static glacier
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😂

strange python
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#shouldareadaguide

slim hamlet
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This is what guides are for

strange python
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i mean i got sick of the boost icon on my screen so

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i shoulda just boosted an alt rogue honestly

slim hamlet
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I still got the dragonflight "free" boost

cunning needle
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same

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im holding it for a rainy day

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when i need to reroll

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which will never happen because i'd rather quit instead

spiral pasture
cunning needle
strange python
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if they nerf sin the day i get 4p i'm gonna sue them

cunning needle
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more like when a healer quits and i have to heal again on the last boss of the tier

spiral pasture
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Are you getting it tue/wed?

eternal heath
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Holy fuck I am playing arms and feel so squishy in comparison to my rogue lol

strange python
spiral pasture
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Call your lawyer

strange python
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i have a team of lawyers dude

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I pay $6.88 a month for it through my work's insurance

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dunno what good they are but

spiral pasture
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Schedule a meeting

strange python
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it's probably some random dude that like does nothing all day and just collects a thousand people's $6.88 a month

grand trail
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btw was wondering if "situation dire " in embersoul trinket is accounted in sims?

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or how does it work in general 😄 i forget about that

spice surge
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It procs once half your raid/group dies

ebon mortar
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did 4pc for Assassination get nerfed? Wowhead states 150% increased damage against an isolated target, but my UI states 30%

grand trail
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oh

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so its not like happening on normal kills?

spice surge
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But the damage is the same

lusty bane
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Trying to read the different sims in the pinned section. If I would like a more single-target focused m+ build, shoud I go for the hybrid 5tar or?

strange python
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I think a lot of folks are saying arterial - make sure you pick blindside and venom rush

lusty bane
keen spruce
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why is this imposter duck in my assas channel

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who's allowing this

strange python
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Yes. If your sole goal is to excel in st though, i mean you could run raid build and just switch to spatter really.

lusty bane
strange python
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yeah give em all a go but a lot of people are basically sold totally on arterial...and then they just switch flying daggers to venom rush on tyranical weeks. (and make sure you have the newer build with blindside).

lusty bane
steep estuary
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Hi guys, question, When you apply Deathmark, does it affect your Bleeds that are allready on the target or your bleeds that you apply When Deathmark is activated?

strange python
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both

steep estuary
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Are you sure? cause i just hit a Dummy and compared to my sim, and my deathmark hits for nothing compared to the sim

slate crown
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Deathmark duplicates existing and new bleeds

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it essentially opens a slot for bleeds to be copied into, any existing and new bleeds will fill that slot

strange python
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yes i'm sure

steep estuary
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Could you simplify that by any chance?

strange python
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the answer to your question was both. and yes i'm sure.

steep estuary
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So the deathmark damage in my details only shows the actual deathmark ability damage?
Okey thanks @strange python

deep latch
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What build everyone running for tyran? DTB or Blindside?

strange python
steep estuary
strange python
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yeah that's a massive differnce, including potting and rune, and phial, etc

slate crown
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In Sims, yes, the extra bleed damage is grouped under deathmark

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In details it is not

steep estuary
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Makes sense, is there some way you should play around yoour cooldowns?
I allways use Shadow Dance and Kingsbane together, but not really sure when to use Deathmark

strange python
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Your next KB will just be kb/dance without deathmark (use your shivs and tea here again, but no vanish)

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then repeat

north bobcat
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sorry to barge in, but quick question: how does subterfuge interact with all the rest of the stealth talents + shadowdance? Improved garrote already works for 3 secs after stealth, so does subterfuge extend nighstalker and all that, or extends carnage windows, or is it only to ambush once?

steep estuary
strange python
slate crown
steep estuary
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I do shiv once before and once more before it runs out to cover the entire KB duration

slate crown
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Stealth effects and dance / subterfuge interactions are not all entirely consistent

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afaik

steep estuary
strange python
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any time

slate crown
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Like subterfuge does not mean you get 6 seconds (3 subterfuge + 3 imp garrote) of imp garrote

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It only gives you the 3

north bobcat
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so subterfuge does not, for instance, work for 3 secs after dance? Anyone knows what does subterfuge "extends" from stealth?

slate crown
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That's correct

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Subterfuge is only from breaking explicit stealth

north bobcat
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but does it give you 3 extra seconds of nighstalker after vanish?

slate crown
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Yes

steep estuary
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1 more thing tho.
I just simmed with Dummy instead and it simed 107k on 5 min fight.
When i try i land between 98-102k almost every time, that should be fairly good then right?

strange python
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i think the subterfuge talent says "when stealth breaks" - and shadow dance isn't really a stealth-breaking event.

strange python
north bobcat
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Makes sense, so it's only after actual stealth (vanish mid combat) and grants 3 secs of nightstalker and anything else?

slate crown
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Shadow dance grants you all stealth talent effects, like Nightstalker, imp garrote, IC, for the duration of dance, but nothing afterwards. IC is only up for 6 seconds during dance.

IC only gets the full 10 seconds when explicit stealth (or vanish) breaks

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Shadow dance grants Nightstalker for its 6 second duration as well

steep estuary
strange python
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like that means one iteration it got as shitty as 135k and one one it got 189k

steep estuary
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Ye, huge dif

final laurel
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do yall do log checks in here

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rough log checks

strange python
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Some folks do, i think you just like post it and ask - sometimes they make a thread for ya

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depends who's here

steep estuary
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But if i can stay with 7-9k of my sim i should start to get pretty comfy with the rotation atleast?

oak tangle
strange python
steep estuary
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never played it before

strange python
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yeah it's not super easy to pick it up i guess. Once you do, it's a ton of fun. I made my first rogue back in 2007 lol...so it's just changes and nuances from expansion to expansion / patch to patch for me.

steep estuary
strange python
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ugh yeah i hear that

final laurel
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im mid raid rn

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i cant use any abilities...

strange python
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yeah melee is a different beast

steep estuary
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But i finaly did it and i think im going to stay rogue, Sub for example is the most fun i have had in like 3 expansions

strange python
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you gotta worry about so much more - your performance can deteriorate, in the raid, by like poor tank movement, etc (a lot more than a ranged).

steep estuary
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But i just cant stand logging 80-90 on my priest and still be below people logging 60

bleak kiln
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Do you guys prefer Arterial Precision over Poison Bomb + DTB for keys?

strange python
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yeah sub is fun af too

strange python
steep estuary
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Yeah sub is insanley fun, just feels like their aoe is about as trash as shadow lol

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Arterial must be huge on fortified weeks right?=

strange python
steep estuary
strange python
steep estuary
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Ye i love that proc lol

strange python
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there's like a 'nuanced feel' to sub - like the more you play it - the more you realize how you can do certain things that are fitting to the situation you are in to do more dmg, etc.

steep estuary
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Ye well i see some burst aoe once i pop that, but other than that it feels underwhelming ?

strange python
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prolly feels trash if you're hitting 3 things or so i guess, i dunno

steep estuary
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ye, lower keys it feels like crap playing sub

oak tangle
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Sub is a lot of stacking damage buffs to slap a fat sectec

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Unsure how exactly it plays now cause I went spriest in season 2 and now back to sin. But I’d imagine roughly the same

strange python
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yeah i ran some keys as sub - had a lot of fun. saw the 4p sheet, and remember the number 23.3% (dunno if i looked at an accurrate sheet) and was just like "yeah i'm not playing that until tuesday"

steep estuary
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Its alot of fun tho, i dont even have 4set yet, managed to get 3, so cant try 4set until wednesday

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will be a hell of alot more fun then

strange python
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you get another charge this week so

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guaranteed

steep estuary
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yupp

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allready have a pair of shoulders just waiting to get catalysted

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how often ish does the 4set proc?

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like every 4-5th cast of envenom or smtn?

strange python
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no every time lol

steep estuary
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oh

strange python
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assuming you cast it - while the envenom buff is up still

steep estuary
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i read that wrong af

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it only procs while you overlap?

tender osprey
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How do I deal with this issue I’m having sometimes where I’m doing my opener but I go to press ambush right as it’s changing back into mutilate and I get the “must be in stealth” error and nothing happens. It’s like I’m pressing it exactly as it switches sometimes

strange python
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yeah - you basically maintain the envenom buff always though so

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95% of the time is the goal anyway

strange python
steep estuary
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yeah i just had 90% uptime on my dummies tries

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so that should be fine i guess

strange python
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yeah that's over 5 mins?

steep estuary
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yeah

strange python
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yeah sounds legit

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only caveat would be...

slate crown
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What you can do is look at your sim

steep estuary
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5.56 even on 1 try, with 86,8% uptime

strange python
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if the dummy you were hitting was under 40% health

slate crown
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And compare # of envenoms to # of envenomous explosions

strange python
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then your numbers are scuffed

slate crown
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Then compare that to your target dummy test

steep estuary
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what happens below 40%?

strange python
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err 35%

slate crown
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blindside procs go crazy so you effectively get a bunch of energy

steep estuary
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ah yeah

strange python
steep estuary
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but no im pretty sure it was at the 80% range at lowest

tender osprey
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Also is it wrong to basically refresh imp garrote 2x on opener. Once on pull, once after KB then again during vanish at end of KB?

slate crown
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you should do that, as long as it's not back to back garrotes

strange python
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ya know - i'm not sure the refresh after KB is needed though right?

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i think it runs out right at that vanish window

tender osprey
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That’s what I wasn’t sure about either

strange python
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It's probably a wasted global really i dunno

tender osprey
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I’ve done it both ways and can’t see a huge difference

strange python
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i remember saying "i always hit it cause it lights up" (my weakaura)

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and i think whispyr said something like "it lights up just because you can hit it - but doesn't mean you should" but my memory could be off.

slate crown
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It is not a wasted global, if your opener garrote is fading at vanish, you are missing out on getting extra improved ticks via pandemic

strange python
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yeah if you go off of the ST rotation - you do not refresh it there.

slate crown
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So it can go both ways, you'd need to have sim proof to show it is worse to skip that garrote

tender osprey
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I think the ST rotation on wowhead says to refresh it right after KB ash

strange python
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oh yeah you're right - it does

junior aurora
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garrote is usually the first gcd in kingsbane

strange python
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so yeah you wanna do it then

junior aurora
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you can also garrote after the vanish

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it doesn't really matter

steep estuary
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btw, in m+, when we lose the I Carnage buff, do we kinda fall of on packs that live beyond the bleed applications with that buff?

junior aurora
slate crown
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Pretty much every top log I've studied does garrote 3 times in the opener, as written on wowhead and as the Sims do

steep estuary
junior aurora
slate crown
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Yup

strange python
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It gets to some point where you want to just maintain enough bleeds to keep your energy up really.

steep estuary
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But i do realize that the more i play the less downtime during packs on iCarnage

strange python
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Sometimes that's tab-targeting ruptures, is what it is.

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Nothing like what sin aoe used to be hah

steep estuary
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Well since i have played Shadow for like 2-3 expansions

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My tab is occupied 😄

strange python
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how bad is shadow lol

steep estuary
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terrible xd

strange python
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you said you were parsing 80's and getting beat by 50's?

steep estuary
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nah more like parsing 80 and losing to 60 parses from other classes

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Happend more than once this week on our hc clear

strange python
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yeah they're down there with like aff and destruction - which sucks for shadow cause they have like demo to fall back on

steep estuary
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ye, it really sucks xd

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but my Tap is where i have ambush atm for some reason

gusty mirage
junior aurora
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im not sorry

steep estuary
junior aurora
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if you've continued to play shadow for 2-3 expansions you deserve it

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its not like its anything new lmao

gusty mirage
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bro

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they rework shadow 8 times an expac

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its not his fault

steep estuary
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hehe we have been in some deep shit at times

junior aurora
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its his fault for sticking to it

steep estuary
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and seen ALOT of builds lol

junior aurora
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also its just gambling

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you gamble every patch if this rework puts you beyond bis again

strange python
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As soon as shadow got that cast-something-while-channeling-something-else shit, i never looked back at it.

steep estuary
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ye its like losing at a vegas casino for a week straight then you go back and just know you are losing for another week

strange python
steep estuary
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Ye thats something i have been missing on shadow, i mean last season was hell of a fun

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but having 2 seasons of fun in 2.5 expansions

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its just not worth it

strange python
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If they deleted rogue from the game, i'd probably play a warlock.

earnest remnant
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id quit

junior aurora
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i play rogue/mage/warlock

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well, rogue/mage/demo but demo is turbo nuked rn so

strange python
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demo just always has that GOGOGO about it.

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Switch from ST to AOE in an instant

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just always ready

cunning needle
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so make sure youre tracking overall

chrome mirage
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!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
steep estuary
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i have just not been vanishing when i hit dummies

cunning needle
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oh nah you should vanish

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you can still track your dps through details

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just track overall

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and manually reset

steep estuary
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Ye ik, i have just been lazy

strange python
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you can change a setting to Dynamic (under scripts) as well.

cunning needle
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understandable kek i get that

steep estuary
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huh, what does dynamic do?

cunning needle
steep estuary
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a long term solution sound more intresting

strange python
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no i've never messed with it. I think you gotta switch it back after anyway

steep estuary
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ah, f that then xd

cunning needle
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it's like another bookmark you can u se

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nah it's super easy but i dont have it on mine

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so i cant use it

steep estuary
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but ye ik i should be vanishing whith 3 sec left on KB for a chance to crit with that huge big last tick

strange python
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back in my day, vanish was our repair bill saver.

cunning needle
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yeah sorta hard on yourself as well comparing dps when youre missing out on that 100% crit

strange python
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now we gotta waste it

cunning needle
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can blizzard stop making vanish a dps cooldown

strange python
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It's just additional 30% crit chance though right?

cunning needle
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50%

spice surge
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30%

cunning needle
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oh?

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does this mean crit cap is now 70% (pls dont shoot me whispyr)
/s

cerulean walrus
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Just survive until vanish crackshot window and then vanish to reset

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Save your repair

strange python
cunning needle
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@steep estuary check to see if you have anything ther

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cerulean walrus
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Filthy

brazen zodiac
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
cunning needle
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oh wait nvm im even more stupid than i thought

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cerulean walrus
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Also Vanish has been a DPS CD for Assassination for like

strange python
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I'm never not taking an opportunity to evasion tank a boss though.

cunning needle
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make a bookmark with that wrath

cerulean walrus
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Over a decade

strange python
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dont tell me to "just die" gtfo

cerulean walrus
cunning needle
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you'll still need to manually reset the meter

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but at least you dont need to go into options

strange python
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oh it's that easy to do?

oak tangle
honest iris
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why finish on 4 cp instead of 5 when we are taking deeper stratagem?

cunning needle
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because cp wastage

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mutilate can give 4cp

strange python
cunning needle
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TRUST THE NUMBERS

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actually does that finish on 4cp apply to blindside proc as well?

cerulean walrus
cunning needle
strange python
cunning needle
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no idea

strange python
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one thing i hate more than bursting...and that's spiteful

cunning needle
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but my evasion riposte build is finally not a meme (yes its still a meme)

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nah spiteful as outlaw is not an affix anymore

strange python
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would be for me

cunning needle
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L

strange python
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I did a 10 WCM earlier and i think i pulled 80k overall

cerulean walrus
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You just crackshot pad on them

strange python
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they were like "ahh yeah get this 470 in here, he'll carry us"

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noooooooooooope

steep estuary
cunning needle
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no wokkas mate

strange python
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some pulls i was blasting though but sometimes man my stuff just felt off (as outlaw)

real beacon
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What to i click durning Shadow dance? Spam ambush or what

steep estuary
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I figured out how i have so much envenom uptime btw

strange python
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So then i went around trying to find a non-crackshot build

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And that didn't exist, so i gave up

steep estuary
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i cheat, or maby its just like that you should do
Once i reach 5cp i use envenom to not waste cp's

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sometimes i land on 6 after a mutilate and sometimes 4

strange python
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nah that's viable

cunning needle
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how bad is it to envenom on 3cp just to maintain the buff

strange python
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i think the math on "finish at 4" or "finish at 5" was kind of a wash (thinking 4 was marginally better).

steep estuary
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ye, i just felt that sometimes i get 3+3 cp from 2 mutilates and sometimes 3+2 for example

cunning needle
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like after you have to rupture

strange python
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it'd probably be a loss - as for the math, no idea

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but i'm sure they mathed it

cerulean walrus
cunning needle
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cool thanks

strange python
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you gotta ask these super-detailed questions when whispyr is active lol

junior aurora
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you chain until its uncomfortable to do so

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its uncomfortable to send a 3cp envenom just to try to maintain the chain

strange python
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even then, they probably don't spend a lot of time mathing things that already mathed to be "sub-optimal"

cerulean walrus
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Better to be comfy

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Than to be sweating bullets

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We don’t use those

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Outlaw does

cunning needle
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oh yeah does the 4cp finisher also apply to rupture?

junior aurora
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applies to everything

cunning needle
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kk just wanted to double check

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4cp ruptures feels so bad though

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kinda having fun as assi though

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did a 4.9m kingsbane last night

strange python
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lol you guys that have 6 combo points have to worry about this stuff. I just have 5 as my max.

cunning needle
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i've never felt so strong before

cerulean walrus
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Imagine not taking deeper

earnest remnant
strange python
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I get bored by like Friday

cunning needle
earnest remnant
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buff scales with combo points as well

cerulean walrus
cunning needle
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okay no more 3cp envenoms then

lyric spindle
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How do you survive mage boss during the fire storm on 21+ tyrannical keys. (Cloak obv on one, but the others)

strange python
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I'm doing raid tuesday without deeper just to see how much i like acro

cunning needle
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and also preposition yourself for sucks

earnest remnant
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press vial and whimper for help

cerulean walrus
#

The acro addiction is real

cunning needle
#

97% sure emberstorm cant be cloaked as well

#

or w/e the fire thing is

strange python
#

but i switched from undead to orc to pick back up some of the lost dps

cerulean walrus
#

That’s a loss dog

#

Losing aesthetics

#

Smh

strange python
#

i mean yeah i know

cunning needle
#

yeah

#

your xmog is now worse

strange python
#

i get bored by friday man

#

and i start doing stupid shit

cunning needle
#

pretty big L

junior aurora
#

the initial hit can be cloaked

cerulean walrus
#

Also fear break is giga dog

#

Rezan Tech for AD

junior aurora
#

the ground shit cannot

cerulean walrus
#

L

cunning needle
#

i miss old human racial when it was a get out of everything free card

strange python
#

well i f'd up my undead mog - because i forgot my goggles were engi only. So when i switched to alchemy / herbalism (because i was bored) to get more time on phial, i lost my main undead mog anyway.

steel spire
#

Og belf f🙏🏾pepe_cry

junior aurora
#

wasn't it always just stuns

strange python
#

human? no

junior aurora
#

the undead one got thru fears/charms, will of the forsaken

strange python
#

it was a literal trinket

#

(like pvp trinket)

steep estuary
#

Btw, does any1 have a cool WA that tracks Envenom on current target? it does not apply on my portrait/target frame /platers thingy

earnest remnant
#

envenom is a buff on yourself

steep estuary
#

oh

#

that explains it

strange python
#

I recomend a progress bar - with a tick around 1.5 sec on it (personally)...i dunno what the stuff in the weakauras has.

#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
slate crown
steep estuary
#

well im using luxthos so there is probably a tracker somewhere

strange python
#

Doesn't luxthos make /wa for every class/spec in the game?

#

I've always been wary of them.

steep estuary
#

i have probably just been looking at wrong place since its a self buff aparently

#

i love them

smoky leaf
#

!FUU

prisma monolithBOT
steep estuary
#

almost only using luxthos on whatever im playing

#

found it

earnest remnant
#

Atrocity enjoyer basegcat

steep estuary
#

was easy when i knew where to look

#

had no clue that was a self buff lol

strange python
#

I also find a lot of weakauras to be way too flashy for my liking

steep estuary
#

would there not be an easy way to get the talent Twist the knife tho? just to guarantee 100% uptime on envenom?

oak tangle
#

i just make my own WA

#

if i need advanced coding, then i either need a better PC or to learn the spec to not need my WA to do that functionality

slate crown
#

You can sim the difference to see

steep estuary
slate crown
#

Last I checked it was ~1-2% overall to swap those talents in ST

strange python
slate crown
#

But you can sim yourself to see

slim hamlet
#

yo

#

you're red now

slate crown
#

I know

steep estuary
#

On dummy Twist the knife sims 1k lower and on patchwerk it sims 2k lower

oak tangle
slate crown
#

I found the button

strange python
#

yeah he said the blue-names were causing a ruckus and didn't wanna be grouped with them.

slate crown
#

?

steep estuary
#

not a scaring difrence to be honest

slate crown
#

I didn't say that

slim hamlet
#

looks so weird

visual moth
#

Its a give and take let's be honest

slim hamlet
#

imposter

strange python
slate crown
#

That was the vibe in the conversation at the time when I changed it, but I didn't say that specifically

visual moth
#

if u want twist the knife u have to give up something else

slate crown
#

And isn't why I changed it, I've wanted the name to be red for awhile and just kept forgetting to change it

visual moth
#

I find alot of the time if i lose uptime on envonom, its not during consequential windows

steep estuary
#

Maby the sims will be more close once i have 4set lol, if it takes into account in the sim that envenom has to be overlaped that is

slate crown
strange python
visual moth
#

Also getting rid of improved poisons is REALLY grief imo

steep estuary
#

Then the sims should be even closer once i have 4set ?!

slim hamlet
#

it's the easiest to remove

#

besides maybe dashing

slate crown
visual moth
#

Its just so good for kingsbane burst windows man

slim hamlet
#

doesn't matter if the numbers says it's easiest to remove

slate crown
#

Yup

slim hamlet
#

could also just not remove anything

strange python
steep estuary
#

well removing dashin sims like 1.6k lower, total of 400 dps difrence with removing im poison and dashing

oak tangle
#

just remove MA and get lukcy :forehead:

steep estuary
#

so its still close

visual moth
#

@strange python I dont know the exact sim differential

slim hamlet
#

MA is useless if you simply crit yea

steep estuary
#

But losing out on that KB crit is huge dps loss right?

oak tangle
#

only if you dont crit

strange python
slim hamlet
#

That's what I am saying

#

if you just always crit

#

you don't need MA

strange python
#

I plan on critting anyway fuck

oak tangle
#

30% crit to 60% crit, is there even any difference

strange python
#

no difference if they both crit

steep estuary
#

Removing MA is not an option

#

losing like 5-6k in sim

slim hamlet
#

Bro

#

How are you not getting the joke yet

slate crown
steep estuary
#

😄

slim hamlet
#

We tripled down

steep estuary
#

ik 😄

slim hamlet
#

Anyways MA insta goes on no dance build

oak tangle
#

we are, but at the same time, on a sample size of 1, just crit bozo

steep estuary
#

im just tryin around seeing what you lose least with

cerulean walrus
visual moth
#

What ilvl are people so far btw?

slim hamlet
#

474

visual moth
#

Bros got me beat by one ilvl

#

im sad

oak tangle
#

472

strange python
slim hamlet
#

ripbozo

strange python
#

I just round up

visual moth
#

Havent started doing mythic yet tho

oak tangle
#

tier shoulders look so cool btw, as a random aside

slim hamlet
#

I got mythic hands from igira

#

poggies

strange python
oak tangle
#

all the ones

strange python
#

I like the green ones too - they're like poisoney

cerulean walrus
#

Bro the tier cape looks like shit

slim hamlet
#

Heroic is BIS as fuck

cerulean walrus
#

Missed opportunity to make a proper back piece

strange python
#

lol imagine using a cape for your transmog

slim hamlet
#

always dogshit

cerulean walrus
#

I use forsaken heritage

#

Coffin BiS

strange python
#

i used the backpack for a while though

slim hamlet
#

Only the shadowlands ones

cerulean walrus
#

Before that I used Venthyr set

strange python
#

yeah i love those

cerulean walrus
#

With the headstone

oak tangle
strange python
#

i just sheeth my daggers on my back though

slim hamlet
#

I use ravendreth tombstone often and the open world maldraxxus poison thingy

oak tangle
#

the suffused camps capes are dope

strange python
#

yes that's the new me

earnest remnant
#

@balmy condor yo ive heard the RWF rogues are playing this over branch, is it bis?

image.png
slim hamlet
cerulean walrus
#

What the

strange python
#

bruh wtf

#

that my character come on

slim hamlet
strange python
#

jeeeeeeeeeeezus

slim hamlet
#

Time to bump ashes up to S+ on the gear list

strange python
#

whispyr is catching up on some sleep or something man

slim hamlet
#

Whispyr and sleep in the same sentence

spice spire
cerulean walrus
#

Whispyr hasn’t slept since November 28, 2022

slim hamlet
earnest remnant
#

do it pussy

slim hamlet
cerulean walrus
#

DF release

slim hamlet
#

oh

#

Rough

spice spire
cerulean walrus
#

It’s been a year dog

#

We’ve all aged a year

#

We’re all old

slim hamlet
#

I was so happy in highschool when dragonflight released

steep estuary
#

we want a shit ton of mastery right?

slim hamlet
#

Now I am an unemployed bum

cerulean walrus
#

NEET gamer

oak tangle
#

cape gamer

strange python
cerulean walrus
thorn fjord
#

!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
steep estuary
#

But do we sim statweights still?

cerulean walrus
#

20 years and Blizzard still hasn’t made a proper cloak

slim hamlet
#

Cloaks are so dogshit

earnest remnant
#

cant wait to do 800 pulls on Tindral Sageswift

slim hamlet
#

Only the special 3d ones are worthwhile

strange python
cerulean walrus
#

That’s what I’m saying

slim hamlet
strange python
#

You can do stat weights, but it's very imporatnt that you understand what it's telling you.

oak tangle
#

i was a huge fan of the kyrian wings

earnest remnant
#

we are gonna becomes the new Skyline

slim hamlet
#

You killed smolderon?

junior aurora
#

just pack it in until tuesday

oak tangle
#

but doesn't fit with the rogue aesthetic

steep estuary
#

Its telling me what stat to aim for with my current gear right?

steel spire
#

Rogue Lego when PogO

earnest remnant
cerulean walrus
earnest remnant
#

first night

slim hamlet
steep estuary
#

I usually do a new stat weight sim after every new piece i get

earnest remnant
#

im only listening to Tswift first night

cerulean walrus
earnest remnant
#

on prog for that fight

willow prairie
shy pecan
#

I love it when random gear pops in front of me

oak tangle
cerulean walrus
#

Now that shit WAS legendary

earnest remnant
steel spire
#

Wouldn't mind edge back

earnest remnant
#

like we pulled some fire elemental dude with a sword, he then fell over and gave me a trinket drop

cerulean walrus
#

The fact they had to nerf edge after a certain level

earnest remnant
#

shits crazy

cerulean walrus
#

Good meme

strange python
#

it's basically telling you "as my character stands right at this instant" - "what does adding x amount of this stat do" - for all the stats. So it's invalidated quickly - and siming individual items/combinations will lead to more accurate results.

cerulean walrus
junior aurora
cerulean walrus
#

ITS A LANCE

earnest remnant
#

sword with a long handle

#

rekt

cerulean walrus
#

Well a polearm

#

But

#

Still

steel spire
junior aurora
#

go back to outlaw chat

oak tangle
earnest remnant
#

so

strange python
cerulean walrus
strange python
#

i dunno, i appreciate it cause i look at the weights sometimes when i'm bored. But i dont make gearing decisions based on it.

earnest remnant
#

onto the sword?

cerulean walrus
#

Yes

earnest remnant
#

that seems painful

strange python
#

I don't honestly even know whether i gain any useful information from it at all.

#

entertainment maybe

oak tangle
#

do you guys hate or like the idea of having an artifact item slot

strange python
junior aurora
#

what would it change

steel spire
#

Like wep?

oak tangle
#

legion we had weapons

junior aurora
#

it would just be an extra gear slot

cerulean walrus
#

Relics and shit

strange python
#

oh meh - i'm indifferent - just some extra borrowed power methodology really

oak tangle
#

cause i was thinking now that the sword is back

#

do i get my kingslayers back

cerulean walrus
#

No

junior aurora
#

you got your kingslayers back

oak tangle
#

😦

junior aurora
#

they're in the talent tree and u can tmog to them

cerulean walrus
#

They expended their power to cleanse the sword at the end of Legion

#

So that the world soul wouldn’t die

oak tangle
#

i can't mog the mage tower versions

#

😦

steel spire
strange python
#

What if there was a bug - and if you spec'd Kingsbane, you had to use default transmog.
Would you give up the damage to look how you want?

junior aurora
#

if you can't mog the mage tower version that means you didnt do current mage tower lol

oak tangle
junior aurora
#

and you wouldnt get that back, thats gone for good

steel spire
#

Mage tower weapon mog havers rise upLETSGOO

junior aurora
#

i have the outlaw ones

oak tangle
#

i wasn't playing the game then 😦

junior aurora
#

they're gone for good

oak tangle
#

well i was, but my rogue was like level 40

cerulean walrus
#

So like hear me out…. What if… we got a gift from Azeroth herself… and it like gained power from doing stuff. And it goes in the neck slot cause like it’s this font of power.

#

Like the heart

junior aurora
#

just like the wod weapons and the mop armor sets

cerulean walrus
#

Or something

steel spire
#

Release outlaw mog was the worst

junior aurora
cerulean walrus
#

Man

#

And what if your armor

junior aurora
#

i have empirical evidence

strange python
#

what if it grew in power from afk'ing in town

cerulean walrus
#

Like got powered up

strange python
#

i'd be so strong

cerulean walrus
#

By this powerful neck piece

#

And you use the blood of the world itself

strange python
#

They need to combine /played

cerulean walrus
#

We’ll call it some shit like

#

Azerite

strange python
#

I have years

oak tangle
#

y'all meme on it, but as a degenerate with all the time in the world to play, BFA systems were great

strange python
#

I kinda agree actually

steel spire
#

Neck was OK armor was dog

junior aurora
#

armor was dog as fuck

#

uldir you had to get lucky in your 1 chance a week vault to get azerite armor

cerulean walrus
#

Azerite armor was genuinely fucking awful

oak tangle
#

like i can see how people like DF more, but I can't game this expac

#

weekly stuff is done in 2 mins, and then they want me to do quests or story or someshit?

cerulean walrus
#

Bro I creamed when I pulled the Gorak’s on my first Titan Residuum gamble

#

Banger shoulders

karmic crypt
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
junior aurora
#

titan residuum

#

not even in on the start btw

cerulean walrus
#

Nope

#

I member

oak tangle
#

bring back titanforging

cerulean walrus
steel spire
#

1st patch rogue dmg OMEGAKEKW

tame mantle
#

how are we supposed to collect the orbs from branch?

#

pop it on opener and take 1 instantly?

oak tangle
cerulean walrus
#

I’d sooner eviscerate my flesh with a cheese grater

#

Than want titanforging back

tame mantle
#

sorry what

oak tangle
#

what about jsut a lil warforging

steel spire
#

Bruh no

lucid silo
#

warforging and titan forging were dogshit

steel spire
#

Arcanocrystal rng

real stirrup
steel spire
#

Bis trinket for the rest of xpac

oak tangle
slate talon
#

!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
#

I liked reforging

tame mantle
#

so you basically grab 2 asap or?

gray crest
oak tangle
tame mantle
#

do the arrows represent gcds?

oak tangle
tame mantle
#

and that is from the moment you press your first garrote?

oak tangle
#

uhhh deathmark

#

you gotta collect while gaming

tame mantle
#

and 1/1/7 is after how many seconds you collect it

oak tangle
#

yes

#

so dm > 1 sec > first orb > 1 sec > 2nd orb > 7 seconds > 3rd orb

#

the pic i put the 3rd orb will run into you when you want it to

tame mantle
#

whats the upside of doing this vs pressing it on opener and collecting late?

oak tangle
#

this is on opener

junior aurora
#

you can just macro it into deathmark

tame mantle
#

no i mean like literally on 1st gcd

#

on opener

junior aurora
#

that would be bad

tame mantle
#

why

oak tangle
#

the upside is you can get the buff for more than 10 seconds

junior aurora
#

you really want it to buff the last few ticks of kingsbane

oak tangle
#

if you used on first gcd, and kited, the orbs would go into each other

tame mantle
#

depends how you kite them

strange python
#

unless you really tryina degen it and pick it up like 9/9/9 lol

oak tangle
#

i mean yeah, but bruh this aint cross country running

strange python
#

oh wait they only are in the wild 20 sec

tame mantle
strange python
#

lol gl

oak tangle
#

can't do 0 but sure

strange python
#

i shoot for 1/9/9 personally

oak tangle
#

it's kinda inting though

tame mantle
#

if the fight allows it

ruby coyote
#

Should we try to apply Improved Rupture during Subterfuge windows?

tame mantle
#

why not

tame mantle
final laurel
oak tangle
#

why would / could you possibly need the buff that far past kb is gone

final laurel
#

Uh any tips

junior aurora
strange python
oak tangle
#

and not have 2 stacks for more ticks

strange python
#

except in AOE for IC - then you do

#

but that' smore about IC

junior aurora
#

its in the guide but

#

its a small gain to rupture in subterfuge window

strange python
oak tangle
#

why would you need acqueous enrichment outside this time period?

image.png
strange python
#

is that a KB opener ?

#

like no DM KB? or ?

oak tangle
#

that is a full send on smold

strange python
#

but did you KB the opener without DM?

oak tangle
#

ye

strange python
#

dang i figurd the hump would be higher

oak tangle
#

it's because the full send is giga

#

1.5m

strange python
#

well yeah

#

i guess it's just giga smushed the rest of it lol

#

that's kinda nuts

oak tangle
#

if you're going 1/9/9 as opposed to 1/1/7 that is 4 ticks of kb you could have had 2 stacks for

chrome mirage
#

What seems to be nicer in keys this week, hybrid or arterial

strange python
#

i'm not really doing 1/9/9

earnest remnant
cerulean walrus
#

Clearly just

#

Let them run out

#

Without getting any of them

#

Kite forever

#

And troll people into thinking that they are their orbs

strange python
#

I sometimes kite other people's aqueous orbs

#

jk - i hit that shit, take 3 steps to the side

#

and pretend they're not there

robust scaffold
#

how is a race change $25 on this game lmao

#

and a whole ass faction change is only $30

shy pecan
earnest remnant
#

true

#

buff it

oak tangle
shy pecan
oak tangle
#

#sublife

grizzled storm
visual moth
#

Can i ask a assasination question btw

#

when do u guys tend to use thistle tea?

#

I normally try to reserve it for my burst windows, but im not actually sure whats best

strange python
#

thistle tea - at just under 6 sec remaining on KB.
Other than that, to get some extra energy when i'm low.

robust scaffold
strange python
#

ALWAYS save one charge for KB

final laurel
oak tangle
grizzled storm
final laurel
#

my logs

#

i did liek a 14 parse

#

idk what im doing wrong

grizzled storm
magic fossil
#

guys, im not a mythic raider, just push some 20+ keys, worth change my beauty void elf for iron dwarf for racial?

junior aurora
#

how high you pushing

oak tangle
#

in either situation no

junior aurora
#

anything less than like 27 its not worth

magic fossil
#

23 24

#

ah ok

cunning needle
strange python
earnest remnant
#

VELF SUPREMACY

oak tangle
#

how do you use the velf on use ability

magic fossil
#

@earnest remnant VELF FTWWWWWWW

final laurel
#

how

earnest remnant
dark crag
#

How much misery is a pi 15 sec before deathmark?

earnest remnant
#

and are out soaking

#

you press it, do the soak press it again tp in

#

PROFIT

final laurel
#

i copied the build from wowhead

magic fossil
#

passive for velf is good, 2% of my damage every key

oak tangle
kind talon
#

Velf racial hidden third shadowstep hack

strange python
magic fossil
#

u turn a fucking shadow form and ur damage increase

final laurel
#

oh

#

yes

#

ok

#

i changed it next boss

#

is there anything else i did egregiously wrong

oak tangle
final laurel
#

yea

#

i shouldve danced before kingsbane

oak tangle
#

and envenom before dance

#

and shiv

strange python
#

did you KB when you got back on nym?

oak tangle
#

you did it for 3/4 kingbanes

strange python
#

normal is f'in weird though, cause those adds die quick

dark crag
#

Adds on hc have no hp

strange python
#

you can full DM at pull, KB at 1:something low then full DM back on nym next time ( so you probably lost a cast or something too)

knotty pumice
#

Do you know if there's still a way to get the look of Legion's prodigious weapons ghostblade ?

oak tangle
#

you also consistently drop rupture and or garrote

strange python
#

That's a tough fight to look at KB timings because it can get messed up.

dark crag
#

Are logs without pi weighted vs logs with pi?

junior aurora
#

you can filter but yeah

#

rather

covert folio
#

hi new to rogue trying to see which spec id want to play, us assas the simpliest of the 3?

junior aurora
#

they're in the same bracket unless you search specifically no externals

oak tangle
#

call me piano man

image.png
dark crag
#

And if i get a pi 15sec before every dm/kb window how much pain can i tolerate?

cunning needle
mighty lake
#

Is the energy pooling any more complex than to keep energy above 50% and keeping envenom 100% uptime?

cunning needle
#

i dont think it's even keep energy above 50%

#

you just try maintain envenom uptime

covert folio
#

i see i see. any major rotation stuff? i currently main a balance druid

mighty lake
cunning needle
#

yeah but you don't play around it

#

it's just there

cunning needle
mighty lake
#

So TLDR: Envenom uptime.

lone creek
#

!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
final laurel
oak tangle
#

it'll for sure help

final laurel
#

i dont have any tier or enchants on any gear

strange python
#

lol nah, no major rotational stuff, just hit keys

final laurel
#

so that might be another thing

strange python
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
dark crag
#

The easy playstyle of dust is like a 1.5min spec. The !dust command has the "optimal" timings

fervent jasper
#

Is there a recommended talent build for low trash tyran dungeons that emphasises ST damage? I'm about to do an Atal and since literally the only way we die is by wiping on the last boss I think I want to spec more ST

oak tangle
mystic fractal
#

got my 4pc lads. Do I play around it in any way for m+?

dark crag
#

It's all about having cdr and getting additional flag casts vs the 1.5min style

final laurel
#

yea

#

i understand the window

strange python
dark crag
#

You mutilate in dance?

final laurel
#

cause you already have a lot of combo points

robust scaffold
#

am i trippin, or does the fuu sim spreadsheet show no boot enchant?

final laurel
#

o

cunning needle
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
cunning needle
#

boot enchant is sorta 0 dps anyway

fervent jasper
dark crag
#

Do you mut while dance is up?

strange python
#

Probably use arterial and swap flying daggers for venom rush

robust scaffold
#

eiher watcher's loam for a little more tankiness or plainsrunners for more ms

strange python
fervent jasper
strange python
tall atlas
#

Take the range node

fervent jasper
tall atlas
#

What’s it called

strange python
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I dunno, i'd say play arterial and swap flying daggers for venom rush. That's my suggestion.

fervent jasper
oak tangle
strange python
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if you play arterial - you will be able to swap that talent lol

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oh it's the build in the guide

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wowhead guide

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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sorry

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it's under talents then m+ section

fervent jasper
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You're saying play this but with VR instead of FD? And that will give more ST than my current build despite losing amp poison and poison bomb?

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strange python
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I didn't sim it so i have no idea. It was just a general recommendation based on your original inquiry. It's the build I like in m+ and find that it puts out sufficient ST.

oak tangle
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that is what it says

strange python
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ahh nice

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So yeah, as for any m+ build that i know of - that one seems to do the highest amt of ST dps, based on that screen shot by memz.

oak tangle
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it's from the pins whispyr did about uploading talents to bloodmallet

knotty pumice
strange python
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So what's the thinking on the lethal build over alac? Better for downtime I would imagine?

fervent jasper
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Is Dslice a reliable sim?

arctic tusk
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IC on council?
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kind talon
eternal heath
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
bright cipher
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its this one

strange python
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so if i want a faster opener i can drop the envenom before dance/kb right?

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like it doesnt do that much

steel spire
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Iirc first rupture

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Might of changed

honest vessel
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does vanish/subter work for nightstalker snapshotting?

coarse bear
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caustic spatter is based on my position not the targets position right/

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or is that something else

oak tangle
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idk what else, but something else, spatter is off the target

coarse bear
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I think its IC not spatter

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not 100% sure though

oak tangle
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IC is you yes

cunning needle
spice spire
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Yes