assassination

[sharp falcon]

crimson tempest a lot lower than i'd expect

[cerulean walrus]

Realz about to get Nick of Time nerfed so he doesn’t need to farm it out

[sharp falcon]

i have 1x 476 which is a start

[faint tapir]

this was +20 everbloom

[strange python]

puh-lease - he can hit a button and have 2

[sharp falcon]

it probably shouldnt work with vulns though

mostly its fine

[strange python]

lol ozumat

[lucid rain]

no no I love seeing timestrike #2 on ozumat

[sharp falcon]

by 'work' i mean ' double dip' as is custom

[cerulean walrus]

Timestrike is flavorful for the old dungeons

[strange python]

it's doing more than double dipping though lol

[cerulean walrus]

We’re time traveling

[soft shale]

ozumat in shambles

[cerulean walrus]

Sooner or later…. We all see the time knife

[strange python]

it's like 20x dipping on ozumat

[cerulean walrus]

Especially Ozumat

He definitely sees the time knife

[spice surge]

I love seeing ozumat get clapped from like 30% with sudden demise+DM

For like a 50M hit

[spice surge]

Stealing all the pad

[cerulean walrus]

YOINK

GIMME

[lucid rain]

get fucked you stupid squid

[sharp falcon]

doubt

[dull cloak]

is it possible to wipe on the ozumat phase

[junior aurora]

things just dont live long enough this week for CT to really do damage

[strange python]

bruh it's bad lemme find the dmg breakdown

[spice surge]

Well double dipping on ozumat means it does like 5x the damage its suppose to

[strange python]

That's a good one

that shoudl be like .9 to 1.1

[proven jasper]

Damn BOOTS putting in work too

[strange python]

there was one earlier it did 27.4M (timestrike)

[ornate pier]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sharp falcon]

what's name of buff

[craggy oak]

Snitches get stitches

[strange python]

i mean it's a free kill at that point anyway

[craggy oak]

Stop telling dev about unintended multi dipness

[strange python]

he brought it up himself lol

[sharp falcon]

idk why u say 'not double dip' though, timestrike is based on your damage and if it double dips, that can easily explain it depending on the magnitude of the buff or debuff gettin double-dipped

for example, let's say the buff is dmg x 100 (idk what it actually is)

[strange python]

i just assumed 1.1 double dipping equaled 2.2%

[spice surge]

No its multiplcative

[strange python]

but i dunno, the screenshot earlier, it did 27.4M on ozumat

[sharp falcon]

that means the timestrike would be 10,000x of whatever normal

[spice surge]

So its signifcantly more when the increases are bigger like ozumat

[strange python]

yeah that makes sense when you guys word it like that

[sharp falcon]

what is the ozumat buff/debuff %?

is it 10x?

[drifting light]

yo stop talking about timestrike when 1 outlaw claw is 3x 2 nick of time ok?

[lucid rain]

Tidal Surge I think

[strange python]

lol it's everyone though

[proven jasper]

[strange python]

?

yeah that's not it mb

[sharp falcon]

yeah

ok so avih

[gusty mirage]

Haste by only 50%? Throne of Tides in shambles

[lucid rain]

Tooltip doesn't say "increases size by X%"

[exotic hearth]

In m+ are we using corrupting rage or tepid?

[strange python]

I just tepid everywhere cause i am a vers enjoyer

[gusty mirage]

Corrupting rage, unless a 450 healer scammazed their way into the group. Then vers cause you’ll need it

[strange python]

but i also take 10% leech dreamcarver

[lucid rain]

I like vers because I don't have the alchemy perk that reduces damage taken from corrupting

[limpid ridge]

Raal with 2 DPS is no fun

cant recommend

[gusty mirage]

I’ve 3 manned that boss so many times this week

[limpid ridge]

Evoker ragequit after 2nd boss

[lucid rain]

was he aug?

[limpid ridge]

Died to 6 Aura of Dread stacks btw

Dev

[lucid rain]

tell him to go reroll healer

[gusty mirage]

Moving is hard when you can float and cast, okay?

[strange python]

the only dungeon i rage quit this season was when i got yelled at for my dots killing stuff in bursting while the ret just divine stormed away

[sharp falcon]

Normal:

• base hit: 100
• tstrike: 1
• total: 101

Ozu buff (intended):

• base hit: 100
• mod hit: 2100
• tstrike 21
• total: 2121

Ozu buff (tstrike double dips, gets 2000% modded):

• base hit: 100
• mod hit: 2100
• tstrike: 441
• total: 2541

[limpid ridge]

Mb

That fucker even got loot

[gusty mirage]

Of course he did

[limpid ridge]

still timed

[strange python]

Thanks realz, for taking the time to do that

[limpid ridge]

First time ever playing Rogue and I have to put up with that shit in 15+ keys

[gusty mirage]

I had a 468 arcane mage that did 40k less dps than a tank in that WM

[strange python]

oh god

yeah arcane is like really hit or miss

[gusty mirage]

[lucid rain]

wat

[strange python]

boomies are too

[limpid ridge]

Bro

[gusty mirage]

He got rewarded with a hero track branch

[ember mural]

oxi not inviting me for keys over shitters (im a shitter too)

[gusty mirage]

Of course

[limpid ridge]

I had a boomie and frostmage in thrones

guess who had to attack blobs

[gusty mirage]

[sharp falcon]

'double dip' basically means any circumstance where a damage event benefits twice from an effect that would increase/decrease its damage. Since timestrike is based on damage you deal, timestrike naturally scales with whatever damage you deal, including if it gets buffed. It shouldn't also be getting buffed again by that same effect

[strange python]

oh god those blobs

[gusty mirage]

Pugging is so tragic sometimes

[lucid rain]

dude I swear, I just want to ban frost mages from keys

I'm trying to do my job as tank on my alt and it's just like

no

the mobs are perma 40% movement speed

[limpid ridge]

And that boomie had the audacity to ask for shoulders when we overtimed the key

[lucid rain]

[strange python]

right yeah, that makes sense - it's increased from the initial increase...so why increase again

[gusty mirage]

Had a fire mage ask the tank to stop moving the mobs on sanguine week

Lmao

[lucid rain]

muh

muh flamestrike

[limpid ridge]

Wait Imp

You didnt play FF perhaps?

[gusty mirage]

He was doing a whopping 110k dps in combust, so worth

[limpid ridge]

[lucid rain]

well, flame patch

sure did, I posted in the balance a lot

[limpid ridge]

LMAO

[hexed willow]

Is that why some specs do bonker damage with timestrike/trinkets?

[limpid ridge]

You surely remember a pleb playing Dark Souls 3 on stream dont you

[gusty mirage]

Just say nerf DH it’s okay

[lucid rain]

oh my god that's ringing bells

[limpid ridge]

HI ITS ME

[lucid rain]

LOL

[hexed willow]

Whoa whoa I don’t want to nerf anyone I just want to understand

Knowledge is power

[limpid ridge]

I was like Wait a minute,that name is oddly familiar

[lucid rain]

throws a book at your head

[limpid ridge]

Smol Potat reporting on Duty

[lucid rain]

oh hey man

[limpid ridge]

Hows life

[lucid rain]

let's not clutter up this channel too much

[limpid ridge]

Aye

[sharp falcon]

taken to the extreme, if a buff increased your damage by something like 100x, this would look something like:

Normal

• base hit: 100
• tstrike: 1

100x buff

• base hit: 100
• mod hit: 10,000
• tstrike: 10,000

at which point tstrike would be 50% of breakdown, assuming a starting point of "1%" of normal damage

[lucid rain]

so you're saying we shouldn't have this in the game

[limpid ridge]

Like we shouldnt have Evokers in the game right

[lucid rain]

nah aug got nerfed into the ground

[strange python]

yeah let's delete pi too

[limpid ridge]

Delete BL aswell

[strange python]

nah keep lust/hero

[limpid ridge]

Wdym pugs use it after my burst anyways

[strange python]

make wft raid-wide though

[limpid ridge]

[sharp falcon]

hard to say 'yes' as a blanket for all cases, but sometimes yes, especially if the damage of something is a portion of your damage, then it's especially easy to fall into the trap of allowing double dipping from universal damage increase mods OR damage taken mods (like vulnerability phases that some bosses have)

[keen spruce]

what's goin on with WW white tiger statue doing like infinite damge to ozu

[sharp falcon]

the larger the mod getting double dipped the easier it is to notice, which is why it's so easy to notice something like timestrike double dipping from ozumat's monster mod

[lucid rain]

yalnu in the first few days of s3 was pretty funny

[keen spruce]

I did a 23 yesterday, did like 50million dmg with no CDs. and my WW buddy did 175mil, 50m of that was just tiger statue

[lucid rain]

sin rogue going ham b/c of t30

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

So this could exist in more places than just ozumat currently - like raid bosses - which would be inflating numbers for a lot of classes that make use of timestrike, etc.

[keen spruce]

to ozu*

[sharp falcon]

i mean, ozumat phase is kind of a loot pinata victory moment anyways so it's not a big deal

[strange python]

just not as noticeable

[keen spruce]

troo

[sharp falcon]

but yeah it does expose a potential problem that could come up in more important circumstances

[slim hamlet]

wait wasn't that fixed?

also, saving cds to pad overall last boss throne

[strange python]

I think a lot of stuff was but - timestrike (maybe other things too) weren't.

or even weren't realized until more recently

[slim hamlet]

I am just sure I saw the words timestrike in bugfixes

Maybe it was like "we are aware of this" and not a fix

[strange python]

yeah i can't say i read any of those with a particular focus on retaining the information contained either

[sullen ember]

I was told to stay over 50% energy for some kind of power gain, but watching Kush progress Fyrrak he's just dumping all his energy. Have I missed something?

[muted ridge]

quick question about Spatter, just so I understand it right. In M+ (or generally in aoe), I only need to Mutilate once to pop the "debuff" and then for next 10sec any poison dmg that is done to that main target radiates around right? Means after one Muti I can spam FoK into Envenoms or ?

[strange python]

yes'ish

[hexed willow]

The above 50% is sanguine blades. It’s a nice benefit but we don’t play around it. We pool outside of CDs and dump during

[strange python]

because you still gotta keep the other stuff "rolling" or you just run out of energy ya know

[muted ridge]

oh yeah ofc

[strange python]

but yes - once caustic is up on that main dude - any poison/nature dmg is "spattered"

so basically you're mutilating something with rupture on it every 10 sec

[muted ridge]

oh so ANY nature dmg

so Kingsbane also radiates?

[strange python]

yar

[muted ridge]

holy

wait, I had no clue. My M+ dmg will now go stonks.

[strange python]

yeah it will haha

[muted ridge]

Thanks for explanation, helped me a lot.

(now I get why people have WA tracker for it)

[sullen ember]

@hexed willow Yeah I have been pooling outside of cds and staying about 50% but Kush never pools

He's not even waiting for Envenom to run out

[strange python]

yeah you don't really wanna "play around" sanguine blades.

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[shut owl]

we don't wait for envenom to fall off with 4p unless we don't have enough energy to chain near a cd window

[sullen ember]

Kush is prressing envenom with 2.5 seconds left of envenom

even with 160 energy

[shut owl]

yeah that's normal?

[earnest remnant]

if you wanted to minmax you would let it run closer to run out

[strange python]

i mean 2.5 is close enough to 2 (pandemic right)....but you're gonna do that if you're in the chain

yeah i think 1 or under is ideal

[devout prism]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[sullen ember]

Idk I cant see Kush pooling for a second

He's just blasting

He's doing none of the pooling that Whispyr has explained in his video

[runic bronze]

Hello, I´m a bit new here. I´m feeling a bit confused about what should I play... Should I jump to Assassination? Lately I have started seeing Assassinations around raids etc. Are they masterful for M+?

[dull cloak]

so poison bomb gets splattered too?

[sullen ember]

Does he know something we dont? :p

[earnest remnant]

more like the reverse

[flint tusk]

he thinks he does but he doesn't

[slim pebble]

There was a giant conversation about this earlier

He thinks he's smarter than everyone else

[sullen ember]

Kush?

[slim pebble]

Yes

[sullen ember]

I mean

[flint tusk]

Even questions basic maths.

[sullen ember]

are rogues just that broken?

[slim pebble]

Which is w/e because he's a rwf guy and I'm just some dude

[sullen ember]

haha

tbh

[earnest remnant]

its what happens when you give a class PI and aug buffs

[sullen ember]

This just sounds to me like we're fishing for a 1% damage increase

[limpid ridge]

Wdym fishing

Pandemic is a core concept of any class with dots

[sullen ember]

meanwhile Kush is just doing what has to be done for a wf race

[limpid ridge]

Yeah which is pressing buttons and not die to mechanics

[flint tusk]

he was also doing the opener and burst wrong the whole race and literally only today fixed it

soooo

[forest notch]

For line 2/7 here. Is this saying garrote all other targets or same target again?

ohh

nm

[sullen ember]

@flint tusk I have noticed that aswell

[forest notch]

need to uncheck

wait it didnt go away

question still valid lol

[limpid ridge]

Yeah targets without garrote

Since it spreads to mobs which dont have garrote

[lucid rain]

if 5 targets, you can garrote the same target again to get the spread onto the 2 that don't have it yet

if 6 targets, you wanna swap to something that doesn't have garrote

to get 3 + 3

[forest notch]

ohh

[earnest remnant]

believe it or not, but even the players in the RWF are humans and arent playing everything optimally

[forest notch]

ok so i spreads got it

[lucid rain]

that's only if you're playing with the talent Indiscriminate Carnage

just fyi

[forest notch]

using the M+ talents on WoWhead

let me check

ya I have it

[lucid rain]

👍

[limpid ridge]

my man isnt even using garrote

[forest notch]

When I can only put 1 lethal is it instant or deadly I want

[proven jasper]

[forest notch]

I assume deadly but its like a paragraph about poisons so not too sure lol

[proven jasper]

Deadly

[forest notch]

ty

[vapid skiff]

the text states amp>deadly>instant in that order

[proven jasper]

amp > deadly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instant for assa always lmao

[forest notch]

Ya I guess as someone not as familiar with rogue what confused me was it didnt really say what to do without Dragon-tempered blade. Just says with it use deadly so wasnt 100% sure

[lucid rain]

deadly poison is now your best friend

[forest notch]

cool

I did look at outlaw for M+ but Assass seemed more fun. Is Assassin close to Outlaw for M+?

[plush oasis]

Any idea why Nightmare Egg Shell would be simming way higher for me than Ashes of the Embersoul? Maybe because it doesn't synergize well with Witherbark's Branch (my other trinket)? I noticed ashes is ranked much, much higher than egg shell on Bloodmallet.

[junior aurora]

double on use is trash

[proven jasper]

^

[lucid rain]

double on use bad

[plush oasis]

I thought that must be it. Thanks

Gonna have to farm out a crab.

[buoyant herald]

Sandglass is also good

[junior aurora]

if you have branch

sandglass is likely better than crab

[slim hamlet]

Almost surely

[plush oasis]

Oh? I'll take a look - thanks!

[slim hamlet]

unless you legit have 0 mastery

[junior aurora]

branch devalues mastery a ton

bc its so much

[lucid rain]

I'm still on a veteran sandglass on my rogue

[slim hamlet]

Alright buddy

at least u got a trinket

I am using this poopoo for keys

signet is 1% dmg complete dogshit dungeons

[lucid rain]

doesn't brand do insane damage if you keep the buff up?

[slim hamlet]

and mirror is awful 3 min timer

Signet is so RNG

90% of the time it does 1% dmg in raid fight

Then randomly 6%

[lucid rain]

oh sorry, I was thinking m+

[slim hamlet]

And in dungeons it's always 1-2%

[lucid rain]

oh

[limpid ridge]

[slim hamlet]

Even when chainpulling whole dungeon and tyrannical

[slim hamlet]

yikes

[limpid ridge]

Atleast got raid dagger from nhc

[dull cloak]

I saw someone still using grief torch last week

[soft shale]

that is weird when we chainpulled for a dh it did like 21% of his dmg

[forest notch]

So for this it just seems as targets go up we add in more and more spreading steps for Rupture/Garrote if im understanding correctly?

[soft shale]

were you in combat 100% of the dungeon? with mobs etc

[slim hamlet]

24AD - 2.4%
23Fall - 2%
24Black rook - 1.8%

[soft shale]

you can cc them

[slim hamlet]

doggy

[soft shale]

and keep in combat

[forest notch]

Does this mean I dont need to tab target at all or am I mis understanding?

[slim hamlet]

Did he stand afk?

[soft shale]

if you lose even 1 stack is joever because it cantake like 40 secs

to get it back

and that is like 2 or 3 pulls

[limpid ridge]

huh

[slim hamlet]

idk we chain pull whole dungeon besides when u legit can't

like fall teleports

[limpid ridge]

If the group is 5 mobs or less,you dont

[sudden brook]

DELETE PARRY DELETE PARRY DELETE PARRY DELETE PARRY DELETE PARRY

[soft shale]

yea those are rip

[limpid ridge]

If you have more,you need to tab target

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-yor-forger-based-department-phone-uh-hello-gif-27583186

[limpid ridge]

Did you try going behind them?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/diesofcringe-gif-24606059

[limpid ridge]

Realism hello

[forest notch]

k, works similar to SEF applying Mark of crane for monks then. (Or I guess just standard wow smart targeting maybe)

ty

[slim hamlet]

Sure buddy very realistic for a big ass dragon with 2cm arms can parry me

[limpid ridge]

Scales

smh

[slim hamlet]

Sure buddy like the galakrond slime parrying me

[limpid ridge]

Yeah its too bouncy

[strange python]

wait so

sin gets to do aoe every minute

or every restealth

and thats like it

tab dot is fake news?

[slim hamlet]

How about the legit undead trex

[slim hamlet]

huh

[limpid ridge]

How do you poison something that has no blood

[slim hamlet]

how do we bleed air elementals

They are legit air

[limpid ridge]

chemtrails

[plush oasis]

Just mix it in there

it's fine

[slim hamlet]

mechs too

smh my realism

unsubbing

[limpid ridge]

Time to play roblox

[soft shale]

imagine if we came back to classic mechanics

[plush oasis]

Couldn't in tbc. That was terrible

[strange python]

every top sin rogue im ob'ing is basically doing spatter damage instead of tab dotting when they dont have IC up

[soft shale]

where undead could not bleed

[strange python]

like legit nobody is target swapping

[slim hamlet]

what does that even mean

Every single good rogue is keeping bleeds for energy and scent

[earnest remnant]

you rupture / garrote until energy saturated

[slim hamlet]

if u dont have bleeds u are not spattering shit

[limpid ridge]

If your packs are living long enough for all of your dots to run out on a big pack then idk

[strange python]

thats what im saying

no IC

[proven jasper]

you just redot if that happens

[slim hamlet]

Then you multi dot

For energy

[strange python]

yea

[limpid ridge]

I mean yeah

[proven jasper]

yep

[slim hamlet]

?

[strange python]

except nobody is doing that

[slim hamlet]

??

[strange python]

at least not on stream

[slim hamlet]

Show me one dungeon where a good rogue is not doing that

[forest notch]

I love how my 424ilvl assass rogue can burst higher then my 475 Dev evoker lol

[slim hamlet]

Show me one rogue that is just going the whole dungeon with no energy

[strange python]

zerocool isnt even running the rupture agi talent

[slim hamlet]

maybe if the mobs has like 10% hp

[slim hamlet]

That is cooked

[limpid ridge]

Even then you'd want to redot for demise no?

[slim hamlet]

Scent is almost good enough to take in ST

not taking in m+ is not ideal

[brazen oasis]

just because someone isnt playing it doesnt mean its good

[strange python]

hes also like the only sin rogue in top 5 io rn

so idk

just curious

[slim hamlet]

Sure buddy

Go with it

🙂

You can get top io by just having a team right now

I somehow got to top 20 sin right now

and I am a m+ noob

[nova flax]

respectfully

[slim hamlet]

just because I actually play the game

[nova flax]

its week 2 and all he does is push keys

he is notorious for some homecooked dogshit builds that seem to work

[junior aurora]

if he's not running scent of blood hes just trolling

[slim hamlet]

Nah zero will likely keep being top sin rogue

He is very good at the game

[nova flax]

cuz he does keys 8 hours a day

[junior aurora]

also

[slim hamlet]

But he does weird builds because he thinks it's fun

[junior aurora]

depending on what hes running with, he might just be full boss dam this week

[slim hamlet]

and don't care if it's bis

[grim tangle]

he plays builds that help him time keys

[normal mist]

like this:

[lucid rain]

[strange python]

this is his talent in 25 EB

[slim hamlet]

He legit said he has his own playstyle and mindset and just does what he likes

[normal mist]

thats how we time keys

[slim hamlet]

kinda based

[limpid ridge]

i mean yeah

[lucid rain]

it helps when you're 477

just saying

[nova flax]

wonder when ppl r gonna realize that pushing high keys is more a matter of time investment than a matter of skill expression

[slim hamlet]

Guys

[earnest remnant]

only 8?

[limpid ridge]

Never

[slim hamlet]

Zerocool is not top because he has higher ilvl

or because he got some cooks

He is top because he is good at dungeons and plays a lot

[soft shale]

8 hours is the warm up time

[slim hamlet]

Not because he has some hidden tech

[lucid rain]

I'm not saying he's not good but realistically how many people have that high of ilvl

[strange python]

which means he prob knows better than most no?

idk

[slim hamlet]

AINTNOWAY

[nova flax]

his hidden tech is not having any obligations outside of the game

[grim tangle]

anybody who mythic raids has tht ilvl?

[slim hamlet]

If an aoe talent is almost good enough to take in ST

[junior aurora]

means he knows dungeon mechanics more than most

doesn't mean he knows theorycrafting

[slim hamlet]

you really think it is better to not take in m+??

like

[lucid rain]

which is a tiny portion of the population

[slim hamlet]

wtf am i reading

[nova flax]

no. he doesnt

[balmy condor]

Holy shit you’re so based

[earnest remnant]

m+ is as our resident village idiot mentioned is alot about time commitment

[slim hamlet]

Don't tempt them

[nova flax]

my fiancee forced my eyes open last season bro. my pushing days r over

[slim hamlet]

please

[grim tangle]

the other talents you drop for scent are also aoe, this is a nonsense argument

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[strange python]

but like if you want these for boss dam

what do you give up instead

IC?

[junior aurora]

you give up DTB

and poison bomb

[earnest remnant]

not to take away from his achievements, but i did like 20% of his keys last season and was pretty much same IO

[twilit hollow]

somebody queue up the gromnak Key pusher soundbites

[nova flax]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shush-shh-ok-bird-gif-17679708

[lucid rain]

I applaud your ability to start a topic

[slim hamlet]

This is what Zero said himself

I think it's based

People need to realise just because he does something doesn't mean it is actually bis

[earnest remnant]

yeah and thats fair

[lucid rain]

I thought his no agi talent build looked pretty cool

[earnest remnant]

you mean like how people in RWF is playing in a certain way?

[lucid rain]

I'd try it myself but no 4p

[nova flax]

its literalyl just

[slim hamlet]

Why did JPC not use branch?

[nova flax]

single target build with IC

lmao

[flint tusk]

Wish more people were like that instead of the perpetual.
WhAt Is ThE bEsT sPeC tO pLaY

[slim hamlet]

tbf up until at least 25 keys, all that matters right now is surviving bosses

Timers are free

People running icy presevation just to not get oneshot

[distant fox]

after some extreme rage after cloak dont activating wihtout being on global gcd for the 5th time today..... and amd ghpu driver crashign the 2nd time......

[slim hamlet]

Now time to do it again

Back in the mines buddy

[distant fox]

not today.

otherwise i assasinate chromie.

[slim hamlet]

I need a wa that turns down dialogue audio for specifically chromie

[proven jasper]

Her voice makes me want to gauge her eyes out

sometimes

[slim hamlet]

too bad u gotta take aoe blind

[distant fox]

np if it doesnt make ability sounds or peeps i dont notice it that much

[slim hamlet]

and not gauge

[earnest remnant]

real question ive gotta ask myself is, does smolderon die tmrw or does it die tuesday

[proven jasper]

[earnest remnant]

are we good enough to kill tmrw or not

[slim hamlet]

I am a believer

[distant fox]

blidn her eyes, rip her organs out and watch her slowly suffacating from our poisons.

my fantassy

[slim hamlet]

holy fuck

[distant fox]

very erotic.

[proven jasper]

the 25 fall runs with no dagger has nothing to do with my hatred of chromie i promise

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[lucid rain]

sir this is a wow discord

[distant fox]

i thought thats the definition of assasin?

[lucid rain]

bruh an assassin is anything that involves a guy killing another guy

[slim hamlet]

wow

[lucid rain]

an assassination can be done with a broken beer bottle

[slim hamlet]

no discrimination

[gusty mirage]

close ig

[slim hamlet]

What are our religious reasons?

[proven jasper]

Sir this is a wendys

[gusty mirage]

they play outlaw

[slim hamlet]

I see

[lucid rain]

purple (and sometimes orange) pixels

[earnest remnant]

partition to start calling Assa "Sas" instead

[slim hamlet]

time to logon

[distant fox]

its 3:30 am. we murder with spells like mutilate garrote. we literally mutilate them, bleed them, poison them, make the msuffocate. so tell me where that isnt brutal

[spice surge]

@gusty mirage We gaming

[gusty mirage]

nice flair you got there bud

[distant fox]

only to make em even mroe bleedy and poisony

[slim hamlet]

It's to blend in

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

How do you think people assassinate other people

They gotta get close

[gusty mirage]

with weapons usually

not discord flairs

[slim hamlet]

It's klike assassins creed

Blend in, in the crowd

[lucid rain]

they get rattled

[woeful meteor]

you normally have vods on right?

[earnest remnant]

nop

[dull cloak]

assassins don't always need a weapon. Poisons for example

[woeful meteor]

should reach smold tomorrow and need someones vod to learn sub

[gusty mirage]

poison is being used as a weapon

[slim hamlet]

Stealthi when that method shadowdust thingy thingy

[earnest remnant]

my vods are hidden

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/judge-judy-time-hurry-come-on-times-up-gif-7242002

[earnest remnant]

when i feel like doing it

[brave stump]

any ringfarmers?

[slim hamlet]

Nope

Everbloom prison for me

[earnest remnant]

imagine needing items from dungeons

lmfao

[limpid ridge]

Surely my everbloom group fills

[gaunt moat]

Hello, apologies for the consecutive updates two days in a row
But I found an issue with vanish glow implementation
The newest version uses better logic (now only glows when DM is active, instead of on cooldown)

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[slim hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uvvUGdzZ31WRGXg9kXZgT2

Still need so much shit

Actually that's an old droptimizer but basically the same

[wanton path]

is kush playing acro on echo stream

swear he has 5cp

[slim hamlet]

ye

[wanton path]

kk

[misty holly]

Galakronds Fall is legit such a shit key to get into this week. I spend 50% of my time applying to Fall groups and have got only 1 invite all week, and it was a 16. The other 50% I apply to other keys in the 18 range after getting bored of trying for Fall and get invited to something in no time.

[slim hamlet]

Pugging this season is insanity

[odd dew]

ive puggged 70 falls

[slim hamlet]

Can't get 17 everblooms with almost 3k io

It's actually fucking insane

idk what they want you to have

[hexed willow]

You’re not a DH, know your place

[slim hamlet]

Is that really it?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[hexed willow]

Honestly no idea

I’ve ran with a lot of different specs tbh

[earnest remnant]

there are also a fuck load of people signing up to keys

so there is competition to get in

[slim hamlet]

That is true

[hexed willow]

^ lot more popular compared to s2

[misty holly]

I'm imagining every rogue and DH in the game is applying to Fall the second one gets listed, and being classes without hero without battle rez we're all fighting for 1 group spot at most (assuming the person listing the key wasn't a ret or something then we get zero spots)

[slim hamlet]

Yea I know when it's like one dps missing it's probably a BL angle

Which I can understand

[hexed willow]

Thankfully Aug seems a lot less mandatory

[soft shale]

i've had more luck in 20s than 17

[slim hamlet]

Same

[drifting cloud]

[slim hamlet]

I get insta invited 20-21 but 17-18 is legit impossible

[soft shale]

also when i do my key i insta get groups

with like 479 ilvl 2900 io

[hexed willow]

You done a WM with an Aug?

[soft shale]

in like a 22

[slim hamlet]

Sadly I am cursed to only have throne and rise

[spice surge]

Idk throne isnt that bad

[slim hamlet]

Throne is easy this week

But I only care for everbloom my beloved

[flint pond]

is pi only good during kingsbane?

or DM too

[slim hamlet]

During both

at same time

[bold oracle]

should i switch from 4pc (aberrus) to 2pc-2pc for m+ if i can?

[flint pond]

in keys spefically when they get dysnc

I'm assuming it's better on kingsbane?

[drifting cloud]

you would just desync pi then aswell?

[gaunt moat]

Kush's changes are only taking acro over deeper stratagem right?
man, that hurts so bad. -5% dps.
But i think maybe for prog it's worth the dps loss.

[slim hamlet]

They shouldn't be desyncing very often

[flint pond]

like is it better for a held pi on kingsbane or just sejnd on dm

[latent wedge]

on smolderon, do you hold your opening burst for the first phase?

[balmy condor]

he's also taking twist the knife instead of something

[flint pond]

it does get pretty dysnc in keys

[slim hamlet]

tbh I have just been saying to give DH PI besides bosses

[balmy condor]

i forget what he's dropping for it

[slim hamlet]

[spice surge]

Lots of feelings involved

[forest notch]

Assa vs Outlaw in keys, pretty equal? Pros/Cons of each? Assa is more fun so far.

[slim hamlet]

imp poison

I guess

[bold oracle]

should i switch from 4pc (aberrus) to 2pc-2pc for m+ if i can?

[spice surge]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

Peak performance

[hushed fable]

You should do it regardless of content.
Edit: Maybe not for battle pets.

[bold oracle]

outlaw is better in m+ 2pc-2pc i assume

[slim hamlet]

Man I just resimmed my droptimizer and branch got even better

https://tenor.com/view/gwen-stefani-prison-jail-let-me-go-its-my-life-gif-21640519

Back to everbloom

[hushed fable]

I would trade you my hc track branch. I prefer Ashes anyway.

[slim hamlet]

I had the option to get ashes

But passed

Mistakes were made

[gaunt moat]

taking twist the knife over imp poison is slightly better

[slim hamlet]

I was like "I'm gonna farm this anyways and never use ashes"

whoops

[slim hamlet]

wat

How is -4.6% slightly better

[hushed fable]

Yeah well... I have it and I use it only in M+. But I like big oomph Ashes gives me during cds with Pi.

[gaunt moat]

comapred to previous -5%

[slim hamlet]

oh

so it's slightly better when no deeper?

[gaunt moat]

let me test with stratagem, 1 moment

yes, with DS, twist the knife is worse.

[errant willow]

Are you running a different talent set for tyrannical?

[gaunt moat]

But also, if we're concerned about taking acrobatic strikes for prog.
there is the "No dance" build in whispyr's guide which takes acro.

[forest notch]

Is there any reason not to do this? #showtooltip /cast [mod] Shadow dance /cast [mod] Kingsbane

Both 1min CD and seems like I always want to use with Kingsbane.

[silk bane]

alot of people im sure already do that, but there are 2 issues with it :

1. KB isnt on gcd, so if u press this mid gcd dance goes off but not kb, so you gotta be extra careful, or double/tripple pressit

actually nvm 2 was gonna be stance delay but thats not relevant to sin

so just 1

[forest notch]

Ya I do spam it a few times, I have a WA tracking kings too so I can see that pop up when it procs

[silk bane]

i am friiiiiied

[forest notch]

lol

so sounds like the main issue is just make sure Kings goes off

[silk bane]

yea

[forest notch]

Im always a fan of less button clicks if its not actually bad.

[glad shale]

Hi guys sorry for asking but how hard is sin rogue to play in s3 ?

[gaunt moat]

But keep in mind even if it sims 4-5% lower, acrobatic strikes could be worth "unsimmed" damage. and it might also mean you will stay alive.

[forest notch]

Ive also macroed potion/trinket with Deathmark

since I dont really need invis pots in M+ as rogue lol

though in raid I could see it be an issue if I want to sync potion with like a delayed lust or something

so might just keep 2min trinkets linked and not potions

[wispy hazel]

around what key level will a mob not die before KB expires

[hexed willow]

Do you have a DH in your group?

[wispy hazel]

not atm

[hexed willow]

Then there’s a decent chance at 17+ for mini bosses or during fort weeks that it’ll life long enough

Lotta burst specs

[wispy hazel]

okay so not my 13 everbloom lol

[hexed willow]

Tyrannical nah

[wispy hazel]

should still use or just hold for bosses?

[hexed willow]

Id still use if it’ll be up for bosses

Especially if you’re going arterial, it’ll still be funnel cleave

(Arterial specifically because the shiv affects bleeds and sudden demise)

[wispy hazel]

okay thanks

[robust scaffold]

when do we vanish/dance? Only for our deathmark -> shiv -> kingsbane window?

[hexed willow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[outer cairn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hexed willow]

Vanish is at the end of your DM, SD with every KB

The guide will explain the why though

[vale lantern]

is there a weak aura for Sudden Demise? that shows like where a target will get executed at

iv messed up a few groups on totem boss in AD cause people leap to my totem thinking its behind and then it just disapears

[limpid ridge]

Never gonna run EB on Bursting with brainrot classes again

[gaunt moat]

@slate crown We need to support the no dance build with vanish timing.
It doesn't have shadow dance.
mine doesn't support it.
And yours doesn't show a vanish tick at all.

[hexed willow]

Why do we want to support that

[slate crown]

If people can run it, we should support it.

[hexed willow]

True true

It’s like supporting the crackshot-less build for outlaw though

[gaunt moat]

It might be the best build for prog even.

[slate crown]

How does vanish come in for a no-dance build, wouldn't the vanish tick be in the same place? Does no dance = no nightstalker?

[hexed willow]

I’m just trying to think of how much you’d lose from basically never playing with imp garrote/NS

[hexed willow]

Oh that’s weird

[gaunt moat]

correct, no nightstalker

[hexed willow]

So you miss out on master assassin for the final tick

[slate crown]

That doesn't seem correct.

[hexed willow]

And can garrote every 2m?

[slate crown]

I guess you are competing your damage choices, you either vanish early in DM / with DM to get imp garrote up, or you vanish the last 3 sec of KB

I imagine the latter is more important

but I am not sure

[hexed willow]

I feel like you don’t have to think about SD at all though

Like you push it with KB and then garrote and that’s the extent of the cd

[balmy condor]

why isn't this correct?

[hexed willow]

Does imp garrote early > master assassin on the final ticks?

[balmy condor]

it doesn't take master assassin

[hexed willow]

[slate crown]

Oh, then there we go

[hexed willow]

Right I’m dumb

It makes sense

[slate crown]

In that case, yeah, my vanish tick is currently showing when you take MA, MA is a condition for the tick to show

[hexed willow]

Still feels like a weird build

[balmy condor]

turns out when you go from 15 seconds of stealth every 2 minutes to 3 seconds of stealth every 2 minutes, master assassin is a real suspicious talent to take :P

[slate crown]

I'll think about how I want to support it.

[gaunt moat]

you got too used to dance? heh

[hexed willow]

With a blowtorch

[hexed willow]

Yup

Once it’s been macro’d it’s just second nature

[gaunt moat]

but paying 4% dps for acrobatic strikes?

[hexed willow]

Like I could see it for outlaw with the whole “but we’re pirates not ninjas”

[gaunt moat]

don't want that?

it's even less, cause acro is unsimmed damage

[hexed willow]

Still doesn’t feel worth it, not sure what fights I feel like I’m desperate for acro in raid

And in m+ I like the ability to apply imp garrote more frequently

[gaunt moat]

I think most fights in raid acro is good.
maybe not for nymue and volocross.

[hexed willow]

The only fight I feel like I’d really notice it would be larador

[wild beacon]

Just gives more breathing room for everything, it's great

[hexed willow]

Oh it’s a great talent

and I wish I could take it but not at the loss of tea or SD

[slate crown]

Larodar pugs is a fight I specifically would want it for, honestly more than any others from what I've noticed. Tanks always are really bad at tanking in a good place

in pugs, at least

[hexed willow]

Alas I’m a tea enjoyer

[glad shale]

how hard is it to play assa rogue in s3 for raid ?

[slim hamlet]

😛

[hexed willow]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-good-morning-love-messages-gif-25662378

[gaunt moat]

@slate crown I'm thinking now that maybe with no dance, we actually don't want a vanish tick or glow at all.

[oak tangle]

got my tea buff irl

[slate crown]

I would think that the whole point of vanish without MA is just to get imp garrote up during DM, like it has been in the past

[gaunt moat]

yeah

[slate crown]

In which case Vanish's use case is more tied to DM, not KB

[hexed willow]

Ok memz we gotta have a talk

[slate crown]

So... yeah, no need to have a tick. If No-dance is skipping MA, then my timer will incidentally support this

[glad shale]

Hi guys i am a noob rogue only did level to 60 in dragonflight how hard is it to play assa rogue in s3 raid my guild want me to be like 430 or 435 item level for normal raid

[gaunt moat]

yes, it's just: get envenom buff, put shiv and kingsbane first, then apply imp garrote. done.

[hexed willow]

It’s not too bad to play

[oak tangle]

to play? easyish, but you'll have to learn some concepts

[hexed willow]

It’s maintenance between CDs and then lots of buttons during

But it’s satisfying to do properly and you can optimize nicely

[glad shale]

i been bm hunter since 2008 rogue look fun to play but i am unsure with rogue spec is the easyest for me didnt raid as rogue before

[hexed willow]

I’d say outlaw is the easiest but most punishing if you fuck up

[gaunt moat]

@slate crown no dance build is probably also a lot easier to play.
and personally, i love Echoing Reprimand.

[hexed willow]

Sin looks hard but once you understand why, it’s not too bad

And you can play it for both raid and m+

[glad shale]

is it any weakaura or addon that can help me with rotation for rogue raiding and m+ ?

[hexed willow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hexed willow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[oak tangle]

i'd say outlaw is the hardest, requires the fastest apm, and reaction time. all three specs now do bad if you mess up

different people will find different specs hard

[hexed willow]

All of the listed wa are great, and the guides are really helpful. Whispyr has videos to break down further

[glad shale]

are hekili maxdps or herorotation bad ?

[hexed willow]

Some people like them I think they teach bad habits and don’t let you actually learn why you’re doing things

[oak tangle]

rotation helpers are largely pointless

[hexed willow]

I personally would recommend learning the rotation instead of being told so it’s reflexive

[oak tangle]

on single target it's extremely simple, maintain dots and build to spend on envenom

[errant willow]

Is the pooling practice tool still up to date? I'm already confortable with the rotation but energy managament has been hard for me

[oak tangle]

we aren't gcd locked like other specs

[hexed willow]

Nah in fact out of cooldowns you want to take your hands off the keyboard style

[oak tangle]

as long as you aren't using the pooling tool as a rotation helper

[hexed willow]

Should be still up to date

[vast loom]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[robust scaffold]

yeah I dont fully understand what the fuck im supposed to be doing while deathmark is on CD

[storm forum]

we did it

[robust scaffold]

actually just afk

[storm forum]

we got nick of time

[hexed willow]

Hero track?

[storm forum]

????

[hexed willow]

Pooling!

[storm forum]

you think i can get invited to 17s?

[lavish brook]

Nick of Time is from Rise, right?

[storm forum]

its from fall

[robust scaffold]

fall

[earnest remnant]

fall

[hexed willow]

Yes cause you’re great

[lavish brook]

ah okay, thanks

[oak tangle]

i got mine last night

[robust scaffold]

omg amazing im gonna study this if i can understand it give me a sec

[hexed willow]

Grats memz!

[slate crown]

Ngl, this picture does not instill in me an innate understanding like your orb picture did, unfortunately. I still appreciate the artistry.

[oak tangle]

haha

[slate crown]

But I also feel like I already have a strong grasp on pooling so

[hexed willow]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[oak tangle]

it is a very hard concept to convey dummly

[hexed willow]

For the uninformed

[gaunt moat]

I just tried out the "No dance" opener on a dummy, because i was afraid that the kingsbane is gonna be weak.
well.. fear averted.

(no buffs)

[oak tangle]

i tried to pick the most common situations and address those

[hexed willow]

How does it compare to dance opener though?

[earnest remnant]

biggest one ive had in raid so far was 5.4mil

[gaunt moat]

honestly i usually do less with dance opener.

[oak tangle]

should only be at 300k on that, which is kinda in the variance for crits in a way

[hexed willow]

That doesn’t make sense oO

[earnest remnant]

amp bosses dont count

[gaunt moat]

kek

[tall atlas]

Pls no Isreal vs Palestine stuff here pls

[earnest remnant]

cuz then ive done a 42mil one

[gaunt moat]

I would hightly advice you talk to the admins about it.

[stable meteor]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[pure crag]

Does anyone have a shadowmeld macro to use in combat?

[tall atlas]

Just saying to you not here to tell on you

[oak tangle]

no, if you are talkign boss combat it is pointless

[tall atlas]

What is this kb tracker tho is it a wa

[gaunt moat]

@tall atlascheck DM

[gaunt moat]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[gaunt moat]

i'm not sure what you mean

[tall atlas]

Tyty

[oak tangle]

just that dance is only worth 10% and with some luck you crit the ticks anyway

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-all-those-chickens-gif-7197478

[soft shale]

hmm

[earnest remnant]

where mythic kills at tho?

[gaunt moat]

@keen sprucei don't like you.

[earnest remnant]

duck meat is kinda nice tho no?

[keen spruce]

[weak crescent]

i saw some dooming on world first streams about assa

[oak tangle]

i'ma boutta slap out some organges in normal tonight

[weak crescent]

what do you guys think will happen balance wise

[reef oxide]

oh

[slim hamlet]

nothing

[oak tangle]

who am i kidding, i've no 4pc yet

[earnest remnant]

thats what i did week 1

was benched this week on it since i dont need anything

[weak crescent]

hopefully :P

[wispy hazel]

got branch after only two everblooms

just use it on CD?

[keen spruce]

you also kill bosses in like 14 seconds and do splits

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-smol-small-ragey-gif-26398063

[keen spruce]

we spam soundboards about glizzys

[earnest remnant]

so you somehow manage to be wrong about both

[keen spruce]

and talk abotu grabbing fyrak's balls

[slim hamlet]

wait

[fleet atlas]

does raidbots have a option to sim hissing vs buzzing runes?

[slim hamlet]

it's not only our guild?

[earnest remnant]

1 we dont do splits

2 your kill was 6 sec faster than mine

[slim hamlet]

would hope so with 1 more week of gear

[oak tangle]

what's the % difference between corrupting rage flask and tepid vers

[tall atlas]

Everyone just wants to be perfecto but we just end up being jpc

[slim hamlet]

aint that the truth brother

[keen spruce]

how is that possible

[slate crown]

Is this like the whole "things keep evolving into crabs" but "we all just keep turning into jpc"?

[slim hamlet]

(idfk what that means)

[keen spruce]

also

we raid tomorrow

[earnest remnant]

so do i

[keen spruce]

IDK MAN KRILL ISSUE

[oak tangle]

T- 5 hours

[keen spruce]

WE SUCK

[earnest remnant]

hopefully i kill mythic smolderon tmrw

[fleet pagoda]

i believe in you

[slim hamlet]

i just wanna kill volocross

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-sure-catbruh-gif-21408636

[earnest remnant]

shouldve done 0,1% more then

kinda stupid no?

[slim hamlet]

true

legit my fault we didnt kill

unironically

[frigid maple]

Stealthi unleashed in the assassination channel and super helpful in sub channel

[oak tangle]

on normal, we didn't soak an orb, and just kinda stood in fire from 20%

🙂

[keen spruce]

stealthi's input for me for the last 6 months has been exclusively "why you no kill boss yet?"

[earnest remnant]

´but shmeeps

why boss not dead?

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

I am coming for you shmeeps

[keen spruce]

what list is that

[balmy condor]

cause you're z'whore?

[slim hamlet]

sin m+

[keen spruce]

ohhhhh spec ranks

[slim hamlet]

[keen spruce]

i've been lookin at just class ranks

hot damn

we up there

[slim hamlet]

still coming for you

just a lil further

[earnest remnant]

Tarren mill

ew

might wanna get that checked out

[keen spruce]

I mean i just passed you @slim hamlet

like

15 minutes ago

[oak tangle]

Frostmourne Representing

i wanna know who the other 438 people in oceanic are and where they come from

[earnest remnant]

the ocean

obviously

[soft shale]

something is afoot

[slim hamlet]

Yea sub rogue ranking are interesting

[soft shale]

i mean the dmg can be lackluster

[slim hamlet]

Just doing your 20's will put you in top 20

[soft shale]

also why play sub when you can play assa and FUNNEL AYAYAYA better

[slim hamlet]

My guildie who is legit only doing for vault is top 20

[soft shale]

this dh wanted me to "funnel" the big mobs in rise

i was like

srry dawgh

that is kinda uh not a thing anymore

[slim hamlet]

do it anyways

pussy

[slim hamlet]

Probably I inted the last 3 keys I was doing today

25's is oneshot level with my gear

[soft shale]

what i do is do 1 evis for a DM stack

[oak tangle]

but like, sub can not kill mobs and extend bursting... we dont want that

[slim hamlet]

Gonna try elusiveness tomorrow

[soft shale]

im an ethical player

yea elu is kinda strong with 2 feints

[slim hamlet]

There is no other way

[soft shale]

next everbloom 22+ i do i will play

with elu

[earnest remnant]

during prog, im only gonna do keys if i have to

[slim hamlet]

Things are straight up overkilling me

[soft shale]

i was getting RINSED

[prime current]

!atro

[prisma monolith]

Atrophic poison in Raid: link

[soft shale]

in mage boss and last one

also maybe atro too

[slim hamlet]

yo wtf

[keen spruce]

yee i don't need any 25s for 3k

[slim hamlet]

this is a thing?

[keen spruce]

just lookin for a good atal

or dht

[slim hamlet]

Me neither but we were trying throne and AD

[soft shale]

i liked the new route this dh made so we dont have to do 2 dines

[slim hamlet]

We legit had like 9 minutes for AD last boss

But the add spawn just oneshot us all

from full

[soft shale]

yea shades is big dmg

[keen spruce]

yeah that shit alsmot one shots you on a 23

[slim hamlet]

And throne I got the mark thingy from 1st boss twice in a row and just died

with no cloak

[soft shale]

think you may need a special comp with perma dr on things

[slim hamlet]

Elusiveness is for sure the play for these bosses

[soft shale]

like warr/rogue and something

[slim hamlet]

Even put on some extra vers to see if it would help

Not enough

[soft shale]

i would say aug if the totem boss was not super snacker

with that one

[slim hamlet]

what does that mean

[soft shale]

aug has 5% stamina when near and other defensive things

[slim hamlet]

There is also just a lot of things where feint doesn't work this season

[soft shale]

for other people

[slim hamlet]

Feels kinda rough

Yea we had a priest and an aug

still oneshot by shit

[soft shale]

oof

[slim hamlet]

overkilling by like 5k

[soft shale]

maybe you have to get my gearset

[slim hamlet]

I was 471 tho

[soft shale]

im running 30% vers

[slim hamlet]

I got like 15k more stam now I used all my crests

[soft shale]

ah that might be something

[slim hamlet]

20% vers

[soft shale]

also toxic boots

takes like 20k life or so?+

might wanna change

a bit later of course

[slim hamlet]

No way it's that much

is it?

[soft shale]

how much stamina you lose? at 476 or 486

[oak tangle]

just be a dh forehead get stamina on the tree

[slim hamlet]

160 stam

so like 4k

or something

waist enchant gave me 3k hp

[soft shale]

so you lose around 10k hp more or less

[slim hamlet]

and that's 106 stam

Huh

How does ~4k become 10k

[soft shale]

because of patch

[slim hamlet]

oh yea

true

[earnest remnant]

next weeks vault waiting room

[soft shale]

im still sitting on some wyrms

[slim hamlet]

I am so close to destiny

To freedom

[soft shale]

after i finally do all my m+ to get gloves and belt finally to 470

[slim hamlet]

I have 45 wyrms for branch too

[soft shale]

after vault we slam

[slim hamlet]

Used all my aspects to go for our last 25

[oak tangle]

6.5% pull for liquid

[soft shale]

i saved 30 aspects

[oak tangle]

close

[slim hamlet]

wait

they went from 19% to 6.5%

holy

[soft shale]

to be able to double craft next week if what

damn liquid gamers

i was going to film a video

dont do this to me

[slim hamlet]

man

it's 5AM

but I don't wanna miss it

[soft shale]

same

[keen spruce]

that pull was sick

[slim hamlet]

It's like echo got huge percentage off out of nowhere