assassination

[balmy condor]

whole list of them

[real stirrup]

I'm doing it through gear compare maybe I use Top Gear?

[young delta]

which one is good for new players

[real stirrup]

With Jeremy Clarkson

[compact wing]

How much of your soul is left whispyr. Repeating yourself on patch launches for weeks and weeks

[rare jackal]

@balmy condor do we go for envenom chains when hovering below 150 energy?

[dapper nymph]

Anyone else randomly being kicked out of Stealth?

[rare jackal]

or is it better to drop it and go for a fresh chian

[vast loom]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[balmy condor]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
• Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
• some mistweaver thing related to their statue

[frigid maple]

Assassination is just terrible in lower keys right

[quartz kraken]

does RIO have issues currently? not refreshing for me

[balmy condor]

wouldn't say terrible

[dapper nymph]

Thanks!

[velvet ridge]

Wait are we casting on 4c now?

[frigid maple]

Maybe not terrible but u aint getting close to classes that just one shot packs

[balmy condor]

yes that's how dot classes work

dots take time to tick

[rare jackal]

i read that, i was looking for clarification on "uncomfortable"

[vast loom]

keep reading - With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine

[balmy condor]

uncomfortable means 0 energy and you're struggling to keep the envenom chain going

starved out of your mind

[rare jackal]

lmao

[quartz kraken]

is there a FAQ on tier, or how you should play with it

[oak tangle]

3rd row of my chart

[rare jackal]

thank you

[vast loom]

@balmy condor oh no

[balmy condor]

wowhead has a whole page dedicated to tier

[balmy condor]

hiya

[vast loom]

hiya :3

[quartz kraken]

oh 7

missed it

[icy iron]

:3

[stable flint]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[smoky leaf]

my only question with this is when you have to reapply dots during envenom chains, they seem to almost always drop the envenom buff unless u get good cp procs. also leading into a 2nd CD phase if ur chaining already before the CDS leading into them or just pool so u have the energy during them? (not opener but 2nd or 3rd etc. cds)

[olive veldt]

Does AD midas trinket have a correct way to play it or just on cd. It's physical dmg and can't think of any amplifier...

[spice surge]

Yes on cd

[smoky leaf]

i think u just want it while BTE buff is up at the very least

but other th an that on CCD

oh wait this is assassin

chat

nvm

[spice surge]

Just make sure it doesnt screw over your other on-use for deathmark

[faint path]

When they gonna nerf dh 😄

[dusty loom]

Don’t nerf anything just buff everyone else

[faint path]

They are not doing that everyone knows

[olive veldt]

I find that other sin rogues get more oomph out of their kings bane. It's only lethal poison applied that increase its dmg. That's rng based lethal poison on the blades and envenoms right?

[balmy condor]

that's not how balance works

[smoky leaf]

anyone know what the strat is for envenom chains when ur coming up on a 2nd or 3rd etc. CD phase? do u want to already be chaining the envenoms before it or just let it fall off so you can pool and start with a fresh envenom going into the CD phase?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

chaining is independant of anything else, you don't factor in cooldowns

[arctic socket]

The wep off of first boss in the raid, which dream is the best to keep?

[smoky leaf]

so its ok to go into a 2nd or 3rd CD phase with almost no energy?

[olive veldt]

Would higher haste rouges naturally have better kingsbanes on average?

[balmy condor]

yep

[smoky leaf]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

none of them do shit pick whatever you feel like

[slow wing]

What does ur average kingsbane bang out boys

[balmy condor]

yes

[smoky leaf]

I go with the 10% leech one for dreamcarver

[olive veldt]

Ty

[arctic socket]

ty

[oak tangle]

i always finish on 5 or 6 cp when i refresh rupture, as for seconds cd's i just pool normally, and if im low that's what the extra tea carges are for

[faint path]

I remember assas rogue on bfa with tone of haste

[thin gate]

guys, did blizzard increase the proc rate of sockets/tet stats?

[dark token]

no

[thin gate]

it feels like i get way more socketed items or leech/avoidance procs

[dark token]

cause i get none

sockets/leech are fake

[cyan dew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[smoky leaf]

whispyr said to not pool going into CD phases tho, to just treat envenom chains independantly on their own so u could be like nearing empty energy on like a 5-6 etc. envenom chain as ur going into ur CD phase

and by this i mean 2nd or beyond obviously not opener

[dusty loom]

Blizzard doesn’t balance they just nerf. They rarely decide to meet in the middle.

[oak tangle]

yeah but we have 3 charges of tea, only one of which we are holding for the end of kb (1 min recharge) so those 2 other charges are dynamically used to solve this problem

[smoky leaf]

ah ok. so just save at least 1 tea for the <6 second on kingsbane pop

[dusty loom]

Rather, they overnerf and then nerf whatever’s on top after that

[balmy condor]

looking at logs I'm hovering between around 1.7 mil average cast across all pulls on igira prog

[dusty loom]

Critter buff bis don’t lie

[balmy condor]

simply not true but okay

[dusty loom]

You’re right I’m grossly exaggerating. I take back what I said.

[vale mortar]

Understandable, have a nice day

[safe zodiac]

question, while in starters i usualy go with garrot and rupturing as much as i can then i go for mutilate then kingsbane for high caustic spatter then crimson tempest, then envenom after, do i envenome sooner then pop kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

would want to crimson tempest after you kingsbane/deathmark

gotta get the cds out so they have time to tick

[safe zodiac]

oh gawd its whispyr herself

[balmy condor]

him

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/merman-gif-11205399

[safe zodiac]

oh, him mb

[balmy condor]

all good :P the confusion happens pretty often

[oak tangle]

too cute of a dp, ur own damn fault

[balmy condor]

real

born a twink

[safe zodiac]

ok so when do i pop envenome? after kingsbane or before it? cuz i feel like it would make somewhat of an impact on its damage

[balmy condor]

before

[gusty mirage]

born a real bitch

[balmy condor]

you always want to envenom -> shiv -> kb

[safe zodiac]

no mutilate> kingsbane for caustic spatter?

[balmy condor]

fuck you at least I don't play stinky classes like paladin and lock

[keen spruce]

oxi alts

[balmy condor]

spatter is just a debuff you maintain, there's no specific timing on that

[gusty mirage]

dog you barely play the game at all

470 havin ass

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

[safe zodiac]

no no i mean i found out mutilate+ kingsbane does good damage on caustic spatter

[balmy condor]

I mean

yeah?

caustic spatter causes kingsbane to cleave

maintain the debuff and it'll do good things

[safe zodiac]

so i envenome first then do those

[balmy condor]

what

[oak tangle]

apply your dots, envenom shiv kb

[balmy condor]

you just envenom before the kingsbane

there's nothing related to caustic here

[oak tangle]

throw a mutilate somewhere in there

[safe zodiac]

i just wanted to get the highest caustic damge possible on kingsbane

[balmy condor]

yeah, you do that by just doing a good kingsbane

you mutilate/ambush once, it applies caustic for 10 seconds

you leave it alone

refresh whenever

[gusty mirage]

okay I give up on fall, I tried helping roujin get his nick of time

and I already want to uninstall the game

[weak crescent]

2nd boss?

[oak tangle]

garrote - > garrote - > rupture - > fok - > rupture - > mutilate - > envenom - > shiv - > kb

and you're golden

[gusty mirage]

I'm just over it, I've spent more time in galakronds fall than I have with my family this week

[weak crescent]

oh haha

[gusty mirage]

I escaped the mines

I will not be baited back in

[safe zodiac]

perfection

thank you

[oak tangle]

it can be more nuanced than i put there, but it'll get you alot of the way

[marble hemlock]

whats the difference between nerfing assa to do the same damage as other classes, or buffing other classes to do the same damage as assa? other than one of those options requires 1 set of tunings, the other requires 20+?

[oak tangle]

i see your point and i raise you vault of the incarnates

[marble hemlock]

what point would that be?

considering we got nerfed 3 times in vault

[oak tangle]

they did both

[marble hemlock]

not all at once

the buffs to other classes didnt happen for another few weeks after the rogue nerfs

[oak tangle]

not disagreeing with you btw

[marble hemlock]

but ye i mean, assa got overnerfed in vault, think we can all agree on that

[dusty loom]

I was upset about something else and spoke not from a place of knowledge but frustration. I admitted I grossly exaggerated and took back what I said 🤙

[gusty mirage]

Heya pal! The name's Mizzen, and I hear you're pretty good at findin' stuff.

See, I've been playin' this new game called Warcraft Rumble but I'm fresh outta coins.

How about we meet up and I'll tell you where to find some?

[marble hemlock]

wow. someone who admits they made a mistake and isnt mad about it. youre precious. lets keep them before outlaw/sub get their hands on them

[balmy condor]

Heya pal! The name's Mizzen, and I hear you're pretty good at findin' stuff.

See, I've been playin' this new game called Warcraft Rumble but I'm fresh outta coins.

How about we meet up and I'll tell you where to find some?

[marble hemlock]

i like how youre stealing the thing i did to you

thinking im not immune to it

[gusty mirage]

Hey there, glad you could make it!

You gotta check out this machine!

[balmy condor]

if I stole the things you did to me I'd have to involve HR

[gusty mirage]

which one of us is HR

definitely ronkles

[marble hemlock]

me

[gusty mirage]

@stuck knoll I'd like to file an HR complaint against Seli

[marble hemlock]

i said it first

[oak tangle]

i lost my RL HR position cause i made a joke to a co worker

[balmy condor]

a joke in the workspace? idiot

[oak tangle]

don't make jokes or have a sense of humour

[stuck knoll]

[balmy condor]

work is for work

not for jokes

slave away bozo

[keen spruce]

duck HR

[stuck knoll]

Feel free to bring that sweet ass to my office

[gusty mirage]

BRO?

[keen spruce]

[marble hemlock]

wait

you talking about him or me?

[stuck knoll]

you are both welcome

[marble hemlock]

at the same time?

[stuck knoll]

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

can whispyr come?

[keen spruce]

if you try hard enough

[marble hemlock]

i bring the ice, who brings the butter and camera?

[keen spruce]

[stuck knoll]

Wait is your HR complaint about the Mizzen thing

because that's too funny to complain about

[gusty mirage]

right now I wish Zine would've banned me accidentally instead

[dusty loom]

Literally have a camera in my hand rn so

[balmy condor]

huh

[gusty mirage]

My HR complaint is about Seli harassing my friend Whispyr

[marble hemlock]

how

[lucid rain]

is he not doing it enough?

[marble hemlock]

you cant file a complaint about smth you dont know happened

[lucid rain]

that's the complaint right

[balmy condor]

sexually

[marble hemlock]

i dont see the problem

[gusty mirage]

(yes)

[balmy condor]

fair enough

[gusty mirage]

that could be anyone

[marble hemlock]

also its a lie

[stuck knoll]

[keen spruce]

[marble hemlock]

no such thing has occurred

[gusty mirage]

okay is today saturday or sunday

[stuck knoll]

Saturday

[strange trail]

we're hitting shadow dance before we press kingsbane, right?

[gusty mirage]

oh thank god

[oak tangle]

Sunday

[marble hemlock]

sadturdday

[gusty mirage]

quiet man from the underside of the earth

[placid kraken]

how is Sin doing in M+?

[keen spruce]

yes

[vast loom]

It's pretty good

[keen spruce]

quite good

[oak tangle]

4:20

[marble hemlock]

you think thats why its called that?

cause people have depressing poops on this day?

[stuck knoll]

I hate it when my turd is sad

[marble hemlock]

cheer it up

with some extra fiber

[strange trail]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[keen spruce]

I have depressing poops every day

[marble hemlock]

imagine pooping every day

[royal lantern]

THIS

[gusty mirage]

what

eat more fiber

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

what the fuck is wrong with you

[marble hemlock]

a health condition ive had all my life bro

[royal lantern]

seli doesnt waste anything in his food

[fossil sand]

in opener, after garrote, do we get rupture up first or SnD up first?

[royal lantern]

no poop needed

[gusty mirage]

don't make it real

how am I supposed to be mean when you make it real

[marble hemlock]

had surgery as a teen

they took out over a meter of bowel

[royal lantern]

SnD, cus normaly you only use it once in the entire dungeon

[gusty mirage]

you can have some of mine if you want

[marble hemlock]

my intestines are way too long

so food stays in me much longer

[royal lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rYmHLE6rhs44vKkt9ptZ2M

finally the 200k

the dagger did it

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

[marble hemlock]

so i only poop 1-2x a week

[keen spruce]

are they like

[stuck knoll]

Wtf

[keen spruce]

epic turds?

[stuck knoll]

That's insane

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

i think you have darm parasites

[gusty mirage]

it was worth it after all

(it wasn't)

[marble hemlock]

nah im chilling

idk i always found it weird when ppl said

they poop every day

[gentle belfry]

From your guys' sim xp, what's typically the upgrade prio for BIS pieces? MH nick > branch > sand glass?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/southpark-poop-gif-14029652

[royal lantern]

eh, atleast im done with m+ now

like, i do a everbloom 20 now for the last portal, and thats it, only weekly vault from now

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

FREE FROM THE MINES

[keen spruce]

oxi is like 2700 now

he's a big key pusher

[stuck knoll]

top gear has a function which shows which will tell you what the biggest gain is

[oak tangle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[stuck knoll]

Sorry

[dusty loom]

Imagine having to poop every time you eat tho

[stuck knoll]

my brain fried mid way through that

[gentle belfry]

I know - just away from my pc and have yet to sim it lol. Was wondering if there was a clear prio

[marble hemlock]

what did you bonus roll on this week @gusty mirage

[stuck knoll]

[soft shale]

bonus rolled galleon

big gold

[lusty mountain]

someone said this would work, did i get lied to or ?
#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane

[marble hemlock]

that does work, yes

[stuck knoll]

My advice then is to just check yourself idk

mh normally gives most damage per ilvl

[lusty mountain]

why isnt it working 😭

[oak tangle]

make sure you are not inside a gcd

[marble hemlock]

idk, my metabolism is fucked beyond belief, so i woudlnt even know what eating daily is

[warped pilot]

so, sims say run branch plus crab, but is sandglass viable too?

[keen spruce]

maybe that's the problem

not eat every day

no poop every day

math checks out

[oak tangle]

did you guys know, when you lose weight, you don't shit it out, you breathe it out

[lusty mountain]

not in a gcd its just broken idk

[royal lantern]

my metabolism is like

binge eat 4 burgers at 4am, eat way too much in genereal

->underweight

[balmy condor]

I just hit a dummy with that macro and it worked fine

[lusty mountain]

im just gonna restart maybe my shit is borked

[marble hemlock]

contributes certainly, but nah, its just the way my body works. im weird in many ways. i also have an extra set of bones that form a joint, right above my shoulders. so maybe i shouldve had a third arm, who knows

[keen spruce]

if you're under the age of 25.. GL keeping that up kek

[latent onyx]

assa finally starting to click, got my first top overall damage in a key

[royal lantern]

im 26

[balmy condor]

yeh branch+anything passive

[keen spruce]

prepare to fat like the rest of us

in the next 5 years

[lusty mountain]

could i do the same macro but like deathmark + shiv?

[oak tangle]

i turned 23, and put on 20 kg doing nothing different

[warped pilot]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

those are 2 spells with gcd's, so no

[royal lantern]

tbf, im also doing a somewhat physical work, so that helps burning some stuff

[latent onyx]

try it at 30 and you will cry haha

[oak tangle]

cut out 500 calories and i've lost 5 kg in a month

[gusty mirage]

wdym

[robust scaffold]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marble hemlock]

did you not get your 3 bonus rolls?

[gusty mirage]

I bonus rolled AP

[warped pilot]

lol

[marble hemlock]

unfortunate

[oak tangle]

can i bonus roll the chest in galakrond's?

[gusty mirage]

I have 6 of them you want one?

[oak tangle]

yes pls

[gusty mirage]

done

[random plume]

I have like 50 of the leech pants and I ran with a druid last night who was trying to get them

[gusty mirage]

the trick is go just for the dagger

[random plume]

felt bad bro

[oak tangle]

but it'll be a waste, cause ima get one in my vault

[gusty mirage]

and you'll get like 18 of everything else

[oak tangle]

there was one major downside of farming fall... the dh tank didn't need the sword he got, so i accidentally got a heroic sword... so i can technically spec outlawe

[gusty mirage]

oh yeah I'm taking m+ score very seriously

[fallow acorn]

looks perfect fuck those two places

[oak tangle]

tott is actually piss weak this week

[keen spruce]

tott pretty fun

[gusty mirage]

I'm sure its fine

but I also don't care

lmao

[keen spruce]

except totem boss

[oak tangle]

i am 58 io from finishing M+

[soft shale]

fuck rise

all my homies hate rise

[gusty mirage]

wdym

it's such a well designed dungeon

[random plume]

if the dagger was from rise id cry

[gusty mirage]

it's such a blast

if the dagger was from rise I'd never get it

[random plume]

id pray to my vault every tues

[soft shale]

as well designed as triumvirate

[gusty mirage]

lmfao

[soft shale]

maybe that guy was like I KNOW WHAT TO DO

[oak tangle]

if the dagger was from rise, i'd be maining a mage

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather do seat of the triumvate

[soft shale]

let me do this aprt

maybe my ptsd from seat is too strong

[gusty mirage]

and seat was the biggest piece of shit ever designed

[soft shale]

but i would consider rise to be cathedral release lvl

not triumvirate ball breaking

[gusty mirage]

don't care

I'd rather run seat

rise is dogshit

from start to finish

[oak tangle]

rise would be fine, if the sand covered room didnt exist

[sterile root]

for purely dungeon gaming double BSL is better right?

[gusty mirage]

as if it wasn't egregious enough that both the trash and the bosses all suck balls, but you get the sand room

AND a gauntlet

for funsies

[gusty mirage]

yea

[soft shale]

and last boss is iq check

worst check for wow

players

[gusty mirage]

esp mythic plusers

[oak tangle]

i had someone leave their own key today

[strange python]

[keen spruce]

Rise is the hottest of dogshit

50% trash slog before the first boss

which is an intermission + shield boss

that takes like 6 minutes

[gusty mirage]

bro imagine playing outlaw for a second (I know I know)

and having the entire thing that makes it fun in m+ ruined by the portals

lmao

[keen spruce]

followed by 3 fuckin lieutenant dragons and a MAZE

[strange python]

wait what is the entire thing

[soft shale]

UHUH

[gusty mirage]

the portals just brick the entire talent's power

[soft shale]

and while you are in portal you lose AR

then bf

[strange python]

lol

[soft shale]

then slice

DO YOU FEEL LIKE A MAN AS HER HEAD HITS THE GROUND

[oak tangle]

bro that's fucked, those portals already make me angry cause it drops my fucking focus target

[strange python]

mannnn i'm gonna be puttin in some sub work tuesday

[gusty mirage]

shit dungeon

idk

[strange python]

it really is though

[gusty mirage]

absolutely hot ass garbage

[strange python]

like that shithole makes me miss tazavesh

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather do lower karazhan week 1 tyran

when maiden's shield was like 300% of her health pool

[strange python]

kara was so easy too - but my god did people fail at mechanics there like for months

[oak tangle]

is it better or worse than "the megalode"

[strange python]

wait what was the name of that dungeon

yu're talking the one with gnomes right

err goblins

[oak tangle]

the BFA one

[strange python]

you've bricked my memory with "magalode"

[oak tangle]

where the strat was to have 90% trash before first boss

[spice surge]

Motherlode

[strange python]

ahh yea hah

[gusty mirage]

motherlode was a banger

[oak tangle]

i must have just been a noob at the time

[gusty mirage]

s4 it just got super boring

cause you spent like 80% of your time pulling the trash at the beginning

and then obelisk skipping everything

[fallow acorn]

the nice thing about motherload was if you messed up that first set of pulls you could just end it there

[strange python]

I was a noob in wow for Zul'Gurub and magtheridon's lair

[fallow acorn]

and re-go

[strange python]

That's like 2004'ish

jesus

[fallow acorn]

was a quick success or failure

[oak tangle]

all i knew / thought of of wow until 2018 was why tf would i play a game with pandas

[strange python]

oh god yes

that's the first break i ever took from wow - the pandas

[oak tangle]

because all i saw about it was the panda artwork

[normal mist]

Faction changed from belf to Nelf.
Did a 15 EB
Best overall i've had in a key
Trinket drops to DH
DH trades me the trinket

is this Night elf perks?

[strange python]

Funny how placing a race that you enjoy more makes you do more dmg and have more fun huh

i do more dmg as undead than i would as human

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

first time playing nelf "endgame" (i have nelf twinks)

its the front flips man

[strange python]

I had one nelf back in the day - a warrior. I felt it was like too tall or something

[grand trail]

anyone know what kush plaiying on proggres? he is not playing deeper stratagem

[slim hamlet]

Stealth animation from blood elf/void elf gives 10% dmg increase

[oak tangle]

bro the best minigame

[kind falcon]

can I macro the dreamcarver use so that it automatically activates when I press Envenom? I have 2 dreamcarvers both in main and offhand

[oak tangle]

how many flips can i do in a row

[strange python]

oh yeah belf female, best stealth walk.
goblin - worst stealth walk

[forest acorn]

dreamcarver is not a dps ability

[oak tangle]

you can, but you don't want to because that isnt how it works

[forest acorn]

no reason to macro it

[slim hamlet]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVFRRFEVZGJAQCUAMVURUVUYVEUoVBE

[deft vault]

fml im 50 dps away from simming 210k

[silk bane]

prob lethality CB. he doesnt have deeper or alacrity

[kind falcon]

oh I okay, thank you

[silk bane]

or maybe that! yeah acro seems nice on that fight

[slim hamlet]

That is what he is running

https://raider.io/guilds/eu/tarren-mill/Echo

[strange python]

bruh 50 is within margin of error, just run it again

[silk bane]

yeah prob.

[slim hamlet]

Can always check this

[silk bane]

acro seems quite good here

[slim hamlet]

No like it is 100%

[grand trail]

yeah acro is very good

there

[silk bane]

youre 100%

[slim hamlet]

Thanks

I think

Maybe

[gusty mirage]

too late I saw the typo

[tribal stone]

hi guys, for single target pve, assassination is the best option? or subtetly?

[grand trail]

idk why he stopped playing sub in first place, he is not doing that much dps now

[gusty mirage]

SHAME THIS MAN

HE TYPED 100$

[silk bane]

NO NO NO

U HAVE NO EVIDENCE

lies and deception only....

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

Am I really that cheap

[fringe surge]

guys, should o focus on multi doting with garrote and rupture on all adds on extra pull or caustic spatter ?

[silk bane]

its not you, its the economy

it do be rough

[slim hamlet]

Doubled down

[gusty mirage]

@silk bane ily

[robust scaffold]

at this point should I even use my mark of mastery or wait until tuesday to see if i get some kind of tier piece in my vault lol

[gusty mirage]

I'd just wait to see what you get in vault

[tribal stone]

I made 30% more damage using Subtetly but I don´t know why people keep saying that assassination is better for ST pve, what can you say?

[gusty mirage]

• we get another catalyst charge on reset

[robust scaffold]

oh so we'll have 2 catalyst charges so in reality it wont matter what's in my vault right

[gusty mirage]

[robust scaffold]

ill just be able to craft the 2 tier pieces I want

enormous

[deft vault]

its better if youre getting simped

[gusty mirage]

because it is

assassination gets the 2nd most dps from power infusion

sub does not

[forest oasis]

fair to macro branch to deathmark or am i trolling?

[grand trail]

that acro lose is still kinda huge

[gusty mirage]

if you don't get PI you can play whatever spec you want

[silk bane]

ily more oxi

[normal mist]

Branch WA, anyone? wanna test it out

[deft vault]

losing dps everytime i resim lmao

[tribal stone]

What do you mean?

[robust scaffold]

doesn't it also really need trinkets to giga pop off like if RNG hates you and you dont have branch assass isn't even substantially better right?

[gusty mirage]

yeah you want to macro it with DM

[deft vault]

PI+augvoker

[oak tangle]

in my raid, my goal is to beat the people who are getting pi

[slim hamlet]

Yea but I guess it is not that bad on the aoe

[gusty mirage]

sub gets almost as much from augvoker as assa though

so that point is kinda moot

[slim hamlet]

With lethality

[gusty mirage]

it's legit just down to PI

[grand trail]

idk he was blastig as sub

not so much now

[strange python]

lol maybe you were already at that UPPER limit lol

[gusty mirage]

add a socket and resim it, I won't tell anyone it'll be our secret

[deft vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eTtD4ddPRcmDb26Zq6iJ3P

couldnt do better

[strange python]

Sub is fun - i just don't think I could pound away at a boss for 2 hours as sub, like i could sin

[strange python]

[oak tangle]

shwoosh shwoosh, shwash, shwoosh shwoosh, wckchtka

[strange python]

but - you just dont know (from the sim) how much you're picking back up from having acro

[raven granite]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[tribal stone]

single target pve?

what´s the two top rogues sub and assa, who has more dps?

[deft vault]

yeah

[buoyant flicker]

restealths fuck u now because of indescriminate carnage

cant change my mind on that

[mighty lake]

Getting alt boosted on some 18+'s, which top 3-4 dungs should I be spamming? Got 4x leather trading friends

[slate crown]

Everbloom and doti lower. You want trinkets and dagger

And everbloom has a bunch of leather slots

[mighty lake]

3rd-4th dung?

[deft vault]

dht has big ring/neck

[slate crown]

There are no 3rd 4th dungeons

[tribal stone]

wow, thank you

[grand trail]

found gain gg

[gusty mirage]

lmao nice neck

[tribal stone]

from that page, you don´t know if those talents are for raid or mythic, don´t you?

[grand trail]

i dont want to play it

ngl

[steel geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[deft vault]

thats for raid

[robust scaffold]

if i should wait to see vault to make a tier piece from the omnitoken, how does assass look like if I want to learn it with season 2 4pc? Is it the same playstyle

[lucid rain]

aug in the dirt where it belongs

[tribal stone]

ok I´m gonna try change form subtetly I´ve been playing for 2 years, what advice would you give for the rotation?

[robust scaffold]

whoops didnt mean to reply sorry lol

[gusty mirage]

plays the exact same, you just want to be more mindful of pooling energy

but realistically, just blast as if you had the new tier set

[robust scaffold]

ok

[gusty mirage]

cause you'll eventually have it anyway

[swift magnet]

Kush is playing 5cps Acro over Deeper Stratagem on Fyrakk
who said Acro can't compete with damage talents

[robust scaffold]

yeah i just wanna learn this spec or sub, done with outlaw for now that playstyle is boring af

thanks big g

[gusty mirage]

the people who said that don't understand that there's more to damage than what raidbots says

[neat horizon]

!branch

!Witherbark

!Howdoiusethistrinket

[gusty mirage]

collect 2 orbs, and collect the third 4-7s after you collect the 2nd

[neat horizon]

!Thanks

[gusty mirage]

[pure sail]

I wish I could ask that question

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/q7bHLuILp Lisonna's WA for it is nice

makes a little noise when you collect the orbs

[neat horizon]

was searching for one rn

much appreciated my guy

[gusty mirage]

so you don't have to stress trying to see where the orbs are, once you hear two ploops, run to the right or left a little

and you're chilling

[neat horizon]

Aye definitely

[slate crown]

I actually like the trinket because

[stiff kernel]

are nicks and timeglass from fall or rise?

[grand trail]

well he use to destroy those meters in sub before too 😄

[slate crown]

You just have to move in the general vincinity of an orb then plant your feet and pretend you are Witherbark

Put your arms in the air

and wait for the orb bloop

ur a thirsty rogue

then move, plant your feet again

[copper hazel]

fall

[swift magnet]

did he drop DS in sub too?

[deft vault]

@gusty mirage do you do sub coaching?

[neat horizon]

Hahah yeah sounds pretty fun

[gusty mirage]

homie you don't want me to coach anything

[grand trail]

sub play acro as best option

[gusty mirage]

you'd get more benefits just chatting with fuu than getting my stupid ass trying to explain anything

[deft vault]

rip struggling with understanding shadowdust cds timing lmao

[gusty mirage]

good news though, is stealthi has all the dust timings and is working on putting them up on the method guide soon

and when I double check the ones I have I'll put them in the IV guide

[swift magnet]

yeah but it plays both acro and DS right?

[neat horizon]

@slate crown is there a setting to remove the bar and make it show 2 curved lines around my character instead ? Which shows the direction of each ball. i saw zerocool use that WA

[earnest remnant]

Wait am i?

[gusty mirage]

are you not?

[grand trail]

it does, it drop tea and vigor

[earnest remnant]

yes i am

[gusty mirage]

[slate crown]

you can see the settings in the custom options page, but no. Can you show me what zerocool is using because you cannot, afaik, track ball direction in a weakaura

[earnest remnant]

i just woke up from 12 hours of pure bliss

[slate crown]

Unless they're just hard-coded lines

[neat horizon]

sec im asking him

[gusty mirage]

YOU SLEPT?

[earnest remnant]

passed out, would be more accurate

[oak tangle]

why am i still awake, it's real hours now

[slate crown]

I'm not sure what that helps either, you know the placement of balls is always a Y shape from yourself when they spawn, unless there's some tech I'm unaware of to literally track their location

[neat horizon]

Zero thought i wanted to give him a weak aura and now he started a key and wont read the chat for 30 mins

[earnest remnant]

good thing is since you mentioned this, you have forced my hands to now actually get it done instead of procrastinating while watching Jack Ryan

[neat horizon]

He read the phrase wrong

[cyan dew]

Guys a question, I should envenom on 4 or more CP, right? Why the Pooling practice is saying to envenom on 5?

[slate crown]

I mean I can go look

[dark token]

https://wago.io/4Q2L1LNd5

[neat horizon]

im making sure if its from Zero or Musclebrah sec

but it was slick

[dark token]

It's this one

Prob

[neat horizon]

YES

this one

[slate crown]

Oh

[dark token]

I like LE sound and timer info but if it was combined with this one graphically it would be nice I think

[slate crown]

That one isn't tracking locations it's just guessing

[dark token]

Ye

[robust scaffold]

is there a WA to help us time this?

[gusty mirage]

I'll eventually check logs for my timings

or just steal yours

[earnest remnant]

the real headscratcher is

do i take Mythic timings or HC

[strange python]

hi what a good Embellishment?

[dry root]

What you guys preferred for this week? Posion bomb with DTB or zoldyck?

[gusty mirage]

for method, mythic probably. I'm going with heroic

[dark token]

What I like about this one is it shows you time to pick up the orb

Makes it easier than guestimating like I've been doing although I got it down pretty well now

[thorny onyx]

Can I see sudden demise in details?

[deep wadi]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thorny onyx]

doesnt feel like it does anything for me 😄

[dark token]

Although yes it's just guessing orb locations

But the display of 3 2 1 orbs left and glowing when to get it is quite good

[neat horizon]

Yeah with the timer

[dark token]

I would combine it with the sound and timer info from LE

I don't think you need the circle

Just the 3 dots, sound when you pick up an orb

And records when you hit it like 1/1/7 or not

[neat horizon]

how do i put this setting ?

im a WA noob

yeah i found the circle was too much

[slate crown]

It's not a simple setting

[dark token]

It's not a setting

[normal mist]

Does anyone know how to make the circle color darker? just to be able to see it better in fight

[dark token]

You would need to code and combine these 2 WA

[cyan dew]

Guys do I use envenom with 4 or 5 cp? I'm kinda dumb.

[slate crown]

I can look into doing that, it kind of messes with the structure of my overall pack

but If having the dots would help that's something I can look to do

[neat horizon]

yeah i think thats the best part

[slate crown]

Also this one has hard-coded durations specific to rogue pickup times

[neat horizon]

the only interesting part about that other wa

[young delta]

Hello, im trying to get used to ass rogue right now, guides show that I need to keep my dots 100% uptime yes good. but i have a problem... there are so many dots popping up on top of plater i cant figure out waht is what.. can someone help me with a good plater or another better solution if possible? thanks

[cyan dew]

Also, with Wither, we use after Deathmark, right? Still using the 1/1/7 rule?

[slate crown]

Which is something I specifically wanted to avoid doing because not only rogues use the trinket

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

Try the whispyr's afenar edit

[young delta]

ty bro

i will try

plater too right?

[strange python]

that's up to you

[slate crown]

With DM, 1/1/5-1/1/9 all seem roughly equal

[strange python]

but yeah a lot of people use it

[cyan dew]

thanks!

[round badge]

using raid dance talent... there a way to get Acrobatic strikes?

[strange python]

probably drop deeper strat

[dark token]

Maybe add a custom option of orb pickup times

So u can add 1/1/9 if u want

[slate crown]

Yes, things get dicey with custom timers and thresholds because you can't do conditions based on them as direct timers

It's a whole thing

so I have to create a bunch of C_Timer objects which I can do (and have done in other auras), it's just not a simple addition

[strange python]

You've gotta realize that the "recomended builds" are the builds that math out to be the best. If you have intracacies and/or need to fine-tune, you're kinda on your own to "min/max / theorycraft" (or look at logs to collect data and make some decisions).

[slate crown]

Not sure I'll have time today but I will look into it, have some ideas on it

[dark token]

Lol wat

[strange python]

I think he's saying he has to create his own variables or objects and make them do the time stuff?

[neat horizon]

@dark token is there a way to disable the circle in that WA?

i just want the orb tracker lol

the orb graphic

[dark token]

Bruh it's not my WA I don't have it downloaded

[indigo mulch]

Does anyone know how to reduce hte lag on tindral when root spwans? D:

[neat horizon]

oh

[dark token]

Hide nameplates

[indigo mulch]

I get a nice slide show once those roots starts beeing AoE'ed

All of them?

[dark token]

Also

Restart ur game

[indigo mulch]

I tried running without plater but it didn't work

[dark token]

There is a memory leak

[indigo mulch]

Maybe someone smarter than me could write a script to remove those roots completly

[slate crown]

Unless I want every-frame triggers, which, yeah, do not want 😛

[stable flint]

hello does anyone know why echo and liquid raider using ashes of embersoul over the everbloom branch? is it just because it is easier to concentrade on mechanics with embersoul?

[strange python]

That's probably the answer

or they didn't have time to farm it

but supposedly jpc has a branch in his bags ( i dunno )

[stable flint]

kush has both ... i saw branch in his inventory

[strange python]

maybe it just more consistently delivers the desired results

there's some fuckery sometimes with those orbs from branch honestly

[stable flint]

i mean for me if i think about it 7k agi looks like more then 5-6k mastery :o

[robust scaffold]

I think I need a video or visuals for better explanations of pooling and ability priority. Reading Whispyr's WoWhead guide has been insightful, but I need more. Is there anything like that someone has made 😊

[strange python]

yeah but there's math, with its depletion

whereas in a "perfect world" you have that mastery for the final ticks of KB

[gusty mirage]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[split jewel]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[split jewel]

what has everyone been using? I've been using Beast

[stable flint]

also i see kush using vanish kingsbane and shadow dance at end of kingsbane? what is the difference of it? more of last hits using the master assassin there?

[strange python]

yeah beast

the mv speed is a contender

[gusty mirage]

if he's desyncing dance and kingsbane he's doing it wrong

[stable flint]

but shadow dance also gives master assassins crit rate

[woeful meteor]

what talents does kush play he has only 5cp

[stable flint]

and vanish also gives nighstalker dmg

[gusty mirage]

30% crit chance vs 10% damage amp to the entire kingsbane dot

[slate crown]

How is this, visually, on the bar look? Obvious to see on the side? Plan to add colors and remove them and such, but just what I could put in for the visual quickly

[strange python]

I dunno why they vanish > KB -- then dance with 6 remaining - i don't even know how it maths out - but i assume whispyr tested that.

[gusty mirage]

it's like 1% worse playing it that way

[stable flint]

wrong since he vanish kingsbane he also gets the 10% but instead of last 3 sec of 30% crit he gets 6 sec

[strange python]

If the difference was big enough, i think whispyr's guides would reflect it

[strange python]

gotcha 👍

[gusty mirage]

okay then he's still doing it wrong

[slate crown]

I'm constrained because this is in my pack with a bunch of other bars that can stack vertically on top, so I don't have space to expand in above and below for my pack

[stable flint]

why is it that wrong? 🤔

[gusty mirage]

because it does less damage

[gray crest]

cause then he desyncs his cds

[tidal crest]

Could be fight specific also, maybe there's a mechanic going on at 2 min

[cyan dew]

Guys when should I use Thistle tea outside of the 6sec KB When I have like 50% energy?

[neat horizon]

thats actually way better. im looking for the lightest option

[strange python]

you'd use it (not under the KB window) if you are about to cap on charges (hit 3) - or if the fight is coming to an end and you need energy....or a damage burst window is a good place as well.

Other than that - use it when you feel like it

[cyan dew]

got it. ty

[slate crown]

K, yeah I won't have time until later this evening to put the event hooks in, but I think this will also help the number clarity because right now a set of numbers on both ends of the bar can be confusing

[strange python]

cause sometimes i'm just like "ya know what, i want some thistle tea right now" - and guess what i do...i use up charge.

[bleak ivy]

when DH nerfs

[neat horizon]

No rush, but do let me know once you do it because ill definitely be grabbing yours

[gentle belfry]

Is there an ideal secondary stat distribution for our crafted belt with toxic patch (assuming other slots are bis), or is it just up to Sims?

[gray crest]

just sim it. all the stats are very close together, with mastery being better most of the time

[gentle belfry]

Kk ty; just wondering what might be the safest so I don't have to worry about recrafting it

[slate crown]

"What stats do I pick when I can pick them on equal ilvl?" => 2 options, a fast one and a slightly slower one:

1. Sim it, this is the correct path.
2. Just pick whatever you want out of haste/mastery/crit. It's probably close enough given our weights. This is faster but might be very, very slightly less output

[fringe surge]

can you help me with few wa that helps in key ?

[normal mist]

holy damn, from no branch to branch i got 7k dps in dungeonslice

[pallid kite]

what type of talents should i go for m+, my dmg seems bad for 449

[strange python]

at 449, your dmg is GONNA seem bad

[pallid kite]

i used to go with the second talents

i do around 80-100k dps depends on how my procs are

[strange python]

100k overall? that's probably really good for 449

and i like the top build

[neat horizon]

13k here

[normal mist]

gonna check ST

[pallid kite]

i rarely do 100k

mostly 85k

[strange python]

I mean it's gonna be tough - like switching talents (between the recomended builds) isn't gonna magically "perfect" your numbers. If you've got fundamental errors in one place, you're gonna have em in another.

Maybe make sure you're following the logic in the guides/rotation and get back with any specific questions.

Other than that, logs and/or videos.

[pallid kite]

i didn't pass 300k dps on aoe or pass it few times

[strange python]

yeah that's very tough without context - but 300k dps sounds damn good to me on a pack

[grand trail]

nobody playing orbs mini game on race sadge

[fringe surge]

please

🙂

[pallid kite]

i don't do 300k every time

mostly 100k + or even below

[strange python]

yeah you're not gonna

[pallid kite]

if the tank doesn't pull chain

[strange python]

Honestly, the best measure - is how you are stacking up against the other two dps in your actual party. Because conditions differ.

[neat horizon]

speaking of chain pulls

next week, despite it being fortified, is going to be worse than this one because we have shades

and they keep you in combat

so you cant restealth

rip

[pallid kite]

i'm not used to deathmark bigger mobs also

and use kingsbane too

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uSDAnzVVFGveuDfETbc2am

the ST dif

wtf

184k to 195

[iron valve]

Is it worth it to let garrote drop for a few seconds to reapply during sdance? or reapply early?

[normal mist]

in theory you can always apply garrote 7secs before dance

and reaply in dance

[iron valve]

okay, so it's better to clip than let it drop?

[normal mist]

yes

if you drop, you're losing dps

you'd also be losing energy

[vale mortar]

What is the secret of this? 🙂 How can i achieve this?

[grand trail]

damn i just simmed difference between picking orbs optimaly (117) and very poorly (111) is 5k dps for me

[vale mortar]

I have hard time understanding how dungeon logs work tbh. I usually do good dps but my logs are shit

[ancient rain]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

In who's math does this add up to 600,000 damage taken

ok

so there's just damage getting taken that the addon picks up but the actual combat log just doesn't show

[robust scaffold]

ur looking at points lol

what is ur question

[strange python]

lol yeah that's literally just a color system of how high of a key he did right?

[robust scaffold]

yes

thats what im confused abouit

dont even look at dungeon logs for DPS either that shit is bogus lol

i mean parse %s sorry not logs

[vale mortar]

That's why i said i don't understand how dungeon logs work.Thanks for making it clear for me

[neat horizon]

SHeesh lol

[lavish isle]

is my build correct for m+ ? im having big problems with energy xd

[agile wedge]

i feel like this cata trinket is a fcking bait guys 😄 you tested it? what alternative would you use as passive?

[strange python]

You're missing blindside i think in that build

which is HUGE for ST energy

[keen spruce]

sandglass

from fall

[agile wedge]

so no pip?

[neat horizon]

how much of a gain is it to take the last branch orb at 7 seconds instead of taking it instantly ?

[keen spruce]

pips good too

[keen spruce]

like 0.4%

or something

[strange python]

It's higher than that

[slate crown]

#1065730164077645916 message

pickup times

[neat horizon]

so would i be trolling if i took them all instantly ?

[agile wedge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xeAdFvbwhtPLM42BM1U2Pp

so this is my sim for sandglas and pip

[strange python]

so that is saying what, worst case 1.9%?

[agile wedge]

both seem way worse no?

[neat horizon]

Oh amazing

[slate crown]

Actually

[neat horizon]

Too small of an increase

[celest chasm]

HI guys, i've got that Cruel dreamcarver dagger. What mob should i use for the buff?

[slate crown]

This doesn't have 1/1/1 because that would mean your end of kingsbane would not have the buff

which I specifically skipped testing because why

[strange python]

I think someone simmed that and it was 5%?

[keen spruce]

that worst case

is basically impossible to achieve

[slate crown]

yeah it's not good, that's why I excluded it

[hearty reef]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[keen spruce]

without some effort

[strange python]

i dont think you could instantly pick them all up anyway - cause there are 3

and each is like a sec or two away?

[keen spruce]

yeah in any realistic scenario

[forest acorn]

!dagger most take mech or beast

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[keen spruce]

is much much less than 1%

between whatever you're oding

doing

vs optimal

[strange python]

so yeah - basically cast it, take 3 steps...and forget you ever casted it

[forest acorn]

but its not damage, its utility so pick what you like

[strange python]

and the most you will lose is 1.9%

I'd say if using that strategy, just err on the side of "if you have to kite, move a bit further away"

so you at least have 3 stacks at KB finale

https://tenor.com/view/cmadeit-gif-22140425

[real stirrup]

who is this?

[vale mortar]

Zerocool

[balmy condor]

do keys for 30 hours a day

[keen spruce]

that strategy hasn't worked for me yet

[cyan dew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[celest chasm]

First when i got the dagger i thought i needed to include it into my rotation so i macroed it into my KB macro lol

[woeful meteor]

Do you know if Kush cooked some build without Deeper Strat or does he just not show 6th cp @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

he dropped deeper for acro

[strange python]

[hexed willow]

Dragonkin is bis

[strange python]

Kush acro gaing - rise up

ngl Kush's build is laid back af

that 2 sec on envenom is time to just chilllllll

[balmy condor]

can't say it's recommendable

[strange python]

but if you lookin to chill

[real stirrup]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[slate crown]

I had been wondering about this (I didn't see him do this, I just was doing sims on myself) and dropping deeper wasn't that far behind, and dropping tea feels bad for acro because of energy management, I may try it, though 5 CP is also going to feel weird, not sure if bad, but weird

[grand trail]

fryakk is just too bad fight for branch

there is movment in cds

so you either pick up orbs asap or you leaving one behind

same on tindral

[hearty reef]

Why tho? We can send at 4 and usually do

So i can totally figure out kushs reasoning

[slate crown]

Why tho what? Why would 5 CP feel weird?

[hearty reef]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

yeah that ones fine, I think he's also playing ttk

[balmy condor]

I know for sure you're not still bitching about this

[grand trail]

i do

[slate crown]

Because I've been playing with 6+ CP for like, a very very long time? Lol it's just that it would feel diff from what I'm used to

[strange python]

MY CP bar to me (whether there's 5 or 6 max [or 7]) - I just send it when the bar itself turns green anyway.

[hearty reef]

[strange python]

You don't care that you have 4 - just that you're at a place to spend.

[cerulean nest]

I see Speed on method always sending on 6-7

guess he doesn't feel like using 4 lol

[strange python]

I don't think 4-5 maths that much different? (I could be wrong)

I don't think i'd say the same for 5-6 though (for sin)

[cyan dew]

@slate crown Thanks for the aura, it's really good. One question, can I make my ambush glow on my screen when I have a blindside proc? I can't seem to find an option to show it

[strange python]

*like as a MIN-sender

[subtle kiln]

he is.

[grand trail]

he is beast

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fucking cooked

[wild verge]

Anyone got any tips i have problem controling my energy

[slate crown]

So, ambush procs don't involve reacting to them anymore. I used to have it as popup icon but it was getting a bit intrusive given that it doesn't involve changing a button push. I instead made it so that the Energy Bar glows when you have blindside, because now what Blindside effectively does from your gameplay perspective is mean "Your next builder is free", so the energy bar glow reflects that.

After playing with it for a bit, however, the glow is a bit subtle, I may release another version with the glow a bit brighter. If you want to make it a different, brighter color, you can find it in the Energy bar aura, under Resources -> Resource Bars. The glow in Glow 1 is the Blindside glow, you can open up the options and change the Custom Color if you'd like. I may make it brighter in the future

[strange python]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[slate crown]

So... does he just not use CT at all? focus on spamming envenom uptime for tier procs?

[drifting light]

took me 71 runs, time to get drunk and delete this game

[slate crown]

Grats!

[cyan dew]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm REALLY dumb, sry. Didn't knew that Mutilate changed to Ambush automatically. Just noticed after you said here. Nevermind then. You aura is godly then. lol

Thanks for your hard work!

[drifting light]

[earnest remnant]

who let this man cook

[balmy condor]

you don't take CT on fyrakk

[slate crown]

Oh I thought this was for keys

I entirely misunderstood the context lmao

[balmy condor]

no, that's kush's build for fyrakk

[slate crown]

Oh... that's uh..

[slate crown]

No worries! Yeah watch the energy bar to see for when BS procs happen

[subtle kiln]

now i’m curious what he ran as sub

[gusty mirage]

but I heard dropping sim dps for acro is bad or something

[fringe surge]

@balmy condor can you help me please with some wa’s that can helpe me with tracking things in m+ ? I already have a tracker for caustic spatter, any more useful things ?

[grand trail]

kush is build different, he feelcraft and play what he wants and still blast like a beast

[earnest remnant]

its almost like 2-3% dps is fuck all in the grand scheme of things

[gusty mirage]

HEY WOAH

[grand trail]

perfecto is surely great player but you can see skill diff there

[earnest remnant]

when in return you get more uptime

[gusty mirage]

WOAH

[gusty mirage]

surely

[grand trail]

same as jpc and other rogue

[distant plinth]

Kush is basicly Fragnance "little brother" pumping af with rogue and dh

[gusty mirage]

okay first off

[grand trail]

its always gap

[gusty mirage]

put some respect on exile's name

there's been pulls where exile was dumpstering jpc

[grand trail]

im respectful they are at top all

but when i open stream that what i see

[gusty mirage]

you don't call exile "the other rogue"

[grand trail]

im sorry im not really familiar with liquid players

[gusty mirage]

someone doesn't play poe and it shows

[flint lotus]

Does Deathmark's increased damage apply to already applied Garrotes/Ruptures, or do I need to reapply them immediately after Deathmark?

[gusty mirage]

it's dynamic

duplicates existing bleeds & any you reapply during it

[flint lotus]

Sweet, one less thing to think about

[lucid rain]

holy shit

[cunning frost]

im 27 in no weap

[subtle kiln]

excuse me I was locked in a cage

[grand trail]

i got two 2 out of 3 runs but using only one since i got mythic dagger

[slate crown]

despite all your rage?

[grand trail]

but than i did 30dhts for neck

[cunning frost]

must be nice

[subtle kiln]

no rat here

[cunning frost]

havent even seen one

[gusty mirage]

illinois isn't THAT bad

[hexed willow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[grand trail]

i even trade one

[subtle kiln]

revisit this after a year

[cunning frost]

im off to buy a rope

[grand trail]

i did like 100 dungeons overall i thgink

[gusty mirage]

it's the midwest it all sucks

[grand trail]

and still dont have midas or crab

[subtle kiln]

different levels homie

[cunning frost]

i got midas in like 2 runs

[gusty mirage]

yeah and I've visited ohio before

it can't be worse than ohio

[grand trail]

we are doing smolderon nextr week and i need my midas

[subtle kiln]

ohio isn’t actually a state. they don’t count

[grand trail]

or im playing branch with emberosul

[gusty mirage]

true

[earnest remnant]

id live in Ohio for you

[gusty mirage]

I love you too much to ever do that to you

[subtle kiln]

start with Indiana

[wary prairie]

Does it matter if I kingsbane or death mark first?

[earnest remnant]

what has Indiana jones done?

[subtle kiln]

something with a few k’s

[junior aurora]

deathmark first to not use a gcd in kb

[wary prairie]

Ok so not good but doesn’t completely cuck my damage

[slate crown]

If a branch recommendation is 1/1/7, it means cast, 1s, pickup orb, 1s, pickup orb, 7s, pickup orb.

However, if someone misses orb 1, and orb 1 is therefore delayed an extra second, ideally they'd pick up both orb 1 and orb 2 at the same time right? Like missing orbs shouldn't push back the entire timer each time. Just sanity checking because if I'm adding Dots to the branch aura, I need to consider the possiblity someone is late, and how to handle it. I am like 90% confident that the answer is Dont Delay. In which case I would want to anchor pickup times (as they regard to changing the dot color) based on the cast time and not the time-since-last-orb

[grand trail]

only issue with orbs for me is sometimes i cant see in raid and than i need to overfocus lookin for them

[hollow river]

i was sleeping !

[versed mica]

How much of a dps loss is it to just pick up all three branch trinket orbs at once

[lunar meteor]

is Writherbark a simbait?

[soft shale]

it is fine the imporant thing is total uptime and pick up of last orb

[grand trail]

it make it not worth to play over embersoul

[soft shale]

they always last 20 secs in the wild and 10 secs on buff

[grand trail]

atleast with my gear

[drifting light]

cool thing about branch is when 4 dps use it and u have a bazillion balls floating around lmao

[lunar meteor]

470 sims +6k dps over my embersoul and signet brand 483

[soft shale]

possible

[versed mica]

It's not simbait, when played correctly it's really good

[grand trail]

its not simbait but somewhat hard to play optimaly on heavy movments fights like trindral or fryak

[lunar meteor]

so ur saying 470 writherbark is better than 483 embersoul?

why is all RWF raiders playing embersoul then?

[versed mica]

Yes

[grand trail]

because they need to play mechanics

and not minigame

[hearty reef]

Branch new beacon

[lunar meteor]

cba

on mythic prog

so toxic

[royal tree]

is assassin the new meta for mythic+ ? or should i keep running outlaw for now?

[grand trail]

when kush was playing branch on tindral he just pick it up 1/1/1 as there is no time to delays

[gray crest]

all rogue specs are good in m+ do whatever you want