assassination

[shut owl]

"I hit the button"

[slim hamlet]

I live for that

[mossy hazel]

If you ain't first your last!

[slim hamlet]

I played IB build in everbloom today for lower key farming

[steel spire]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-monica-calling-name-calling-monica-gif-14383731

[slim hamlet]

Sudden demise was popping off

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mr-bean-holiday-comedy-gif-26166074

[strange python]

hrmm so just drop tea and grab acro...yeah you might be onto something if you really can't live without it

[mighty lake]

ait boys fastest way to gear up a 420 fresh rogue alt?

[shut owl]

the only time I'm not first is when I'm being trolled by two ret players just sending it in EB and bursting us to death on cd.

[slim hamlet]

buy a boost

[strange python]

def buy +20 runs

[slim hamlet]

[mossy hazel]

What am I missing on acro..? It doesn't seem worth it to me in any scenario. Lol

[shut owl]

or just do world content and get 450 gear in a day

[strange python]

i mean you said fastest - do you want to specify constraints?

[slim hamlet]

DH's has gotten the better of me on these higher keys

[shut owl]

yikes

[slim hamlet]

unlucky

[mighty lake]

There's no constraint really got a fair bit of gold and time

[strange python]

you look like that dood that dropped $80,000 USD on his diablo:immortal character

[steel spire]

wow token

[slim hamlet]

It isn't rly

Very specifically last boss DHT it can be nice

[strange python]

yeah 100% just buy runs. I'd say honestly buy +16's

[fleet pagoda]

comfort mainly

[mighty lake]

Can get boosted in some +15-17 ish to get a good key from my mates

[mighty lake]

16's? xD+

[slim hamlet]

But a lot of sins aoe is already extended further than normal melee range

[shut owl]

Its handy for certain keys, notably DHT if you've got omega-melee stacked groups.

[strange python]

You get the better upgrade crests, i think 476 in the vault, it's a decent place...and i'm sure 16's are A LOT cheaper than 20's

[shut owl]

if your guild isn't banishing you to triple melee keys on repeat as the carry, you don't need it

[oak tangle]

it's week 2, just spam out low keys like i did

[shut owl]

I had 2 DHT's today longer than an hour in length

and a 1:45 Rise

guess the levels

[mighty lake]

17's give 473 hero gear, 15 gives the next lower, 16 makes no sense?

[oak tangle]

get the dreamsurge and timerift pieces to 450 and catalyse them

[strange python]

That 3 yd range is so QOL

[mossy hazel]

Ok so it IS just a very situational tool. The fact that there was a specific build in IV for it made me think I was missing something. Lol

[mighty lake]

18 gives you mythic track vault

[shut owl]

if you guessed "not even a 16", congrats

[strange python]

You get the crests

[slim hamlet]

The most normal thing being sold seems to be 18's

[strange python]

in 16 and higher

[slim hamlet]

Which makes sense as you can still time it and it gives myth track

[fleet pagoda]

i've been practing the shortened opener for the giggles and it's getting me consistently fatter kb's than the normal opener

[strange python]

Oh then buy 18's - I was just thinking from a gold perspective too...like i dunno prices

[oak tangle]

what's the rush with getting gear youd have to buy carries though?

[steel spire]

If only shiv extended bleeds on targets struck with shock build

[shut owl]

on trash or ST?

and are externals coming online at the right time

[fleet pagoda]

just on st dummy

[shut owl]

oh

[strange python]

lol now you dreamin

[slim hamlet]

rng issue

[strange python]

would be nice though

[hexed willow]

Campaign quest!

[shut owl]

its not that big a diff, prolly RNG. but getting optimal externals + full opener is a fucking banger in raid

[mighty lake]

what does this drop?

[strange python]

i think 415's? upgradable to 437?

[slim hamlet]

veteran track gear

[mighty lake]

I'm 420 homie why u recommending camp

[slim hamlet]

so 463 max

[mighty lake]

got bugged in auction house just now and cant login to char, restarted game too

[shut owl]

campaign drops 430ish gear?

[slim hamlet]

and probably a lot of a bit lower ilvl from random quests and boe

[slim hamlet]

just gotta wait until it dissapears ingame

like 5 mins

[fleet pagoda]

yeah it's probably just an rng thing. also there's some lag in valdrakken messin up globals so i think dm -> shiv -> dance is putting kb out of the dm window for messin' around

the last tick of kb at least*

[shut owl]

could be

[strange python]

I mean that's not a huge problem?

[shut owl]

its what, 6% damage lost on the last tick or so

from LD?

[strange python]

You're still getting your procs from the extra poisons during the entirety of DM

[fleet pagoda]

it's still not desirable

but not the end of the world

[shut owl]

yeah, but that's rng territory for sure

[wheat hinge]

Login to another char and restart

[hexed willow]

Drop 428 gear pretty sure

Is it amazing? No but it’s a start. Otherwise lfr/pay for stuff

[shut owl]

time rift world event, dreamsurge world event, and suffusion camps have good rewards.

time rift gets you a token for a450 piece, as does dreamsurge

time gated, but you can cap out in a couple days for minimal time spent at keyboard.

also a great way to get the LFR look of S2 tier

cuz you can catalyze it into 450 S2 tier

[outer cairn]

man these boss fights. i literally feel like i got no juice

just getting to a point where no energy

[strange python]

just alt-tab here

and then when you go back, you will have 300

[outer cairn]

LOL

[strange python]

tell a joke or something

[outer cairn]

pro move

it just sucks with keepign the bleeds up and stuff

[strange python]

I mean i don't think you should be that starved

that it's hard to keep bleeds up

you gotta be poolin on those bosses

[hexed willow]

@balmy condor I know everyone should read the guides, but can we get a carbon copy !pooling command since it comes up so often?

[outer cairn]

yeah i just gotta be better at managing it.

[raw python]

are people running crab + branch or glass + branch?

[outer cairn]

or for how long to pool

cause waiting to 80% doesn't always seem feasible

[strange python]

you'd pool back to 240 yeah

[outer cairn]

ugh

feels so bad

[hexed willow]

Hourglass + branch is great

[outer cairn]

lol

[strange python]

Is what it is - i thin it's like 8-13 seconds...but

spec'ing Blindside really helps with that a lot

[outer cairn]

it does feel slow

what do i remove from the shock build to take BS?

[raw python]

sims just keep putting crabbypatty higher , am i missing something?

[strange python]

it has it

[outer cairn]

hmmm

for some reason i have TTB

[mystic osprey]

Penis

[strange python]

I mean under 40% health, I think it procs enough to literally just maintain "doing damage" 100% of the time.

[hexed willow]

Could be you have more haste than me! Crab is a good alternative trinket too if you don’t have pips

[strange python]

yeah i think that was an older build (like pre a week or so ago, or more)

[nocturne bough]

with nick of time dagger, do we still get the benefit if its in the offhand? (crafted a mainhand weapon at higher ilvl)

[strange python]

yes

[outer cairn]

probably why then

i didn't know "it" changed

[nocturne bough]

okay ty

[outer cairn]

but yeah having BS would def help

[half moss]

Shorter opener?

[strange python]

other than that and like smart useage of tea...it just is what it is. Whispyr's pooling video helps a lot.

[hexed willow]

Skip rupture and potentially envenom to go into CDs sooner specifically to fit into tight windows

For example a 20s shield

[strange python]

I mean the results are probably anecdotal based on the number of "tests" run though

[hexed willow]

Whispyr talks about it in their ST video

[half moss]

for sure, there are some bosses where i feel like i shoudl skip and was wondering

thats right, now that you mention it i remember him saying there were shorter openers

[strange python]

The "full opener" should result (mathematically) in higher KB's

[outer cairn]

is it better to take Flying Daggers or Venom Rush?

[hexed willow]

The full opener does result in higher unless there are certain conditions

[mystic osprey]

this week probs venom because tyrannical

[hexed willow]

Like a shield, boss debuff, etc

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This will start a "chain" where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[balmy condor]

@hexed willow gouda?

[outer cairn]

that actually makes sense

[hexed willow]

Perfect

Thank you!

[balmy condor]

np

[outer cairn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[mystic osprey]

One question whispyr

[balmy condor]

One answer Ryan

[outer cairn]

One Ring

[strange python]

does that count ?

At least he's punctual

[mystic osprey]

So do I wait til one second every time im trying to kill a mob or once to start a chain sort of thing?

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

every time

[hexed willow]

https://tenor.com/view/dnd-d%26d-movie-speak-with-dead-dnd-movie-gif-2761021129526618753

[mystic osprey]

ok

[balmy condor]

if you start the chain and then refresh envenom on like 3 seconds left

you'd waste a fuck ton of envenom uptime

/energy

[mystic osprey]

/energy

dont work

:(

[balmy condor]

what

[strange python]

he's saying "uptime slash energy" lol

[mystic osprey]

this was funny as fuck

in the movie

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/wings-bitch-redbull-ricky-berwick-gif-14504960

[hexed willow]

The movie legit was so well done

[mystic osprey]

fr

[hexed willow]

They could’ve done bards better but I think Chris sold it

[mystic osprey]

In kingsbane I spam envenom as much as possible right

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

yes

[mystic osprey]

yeah good

[odd dew]

is there any super kind hearted rogues that will spam fall with me and trade me nick of time

[strange python]

For real though, serious question. Has anyone ever said you're a very punctual dude, Ryan?

[mystic osprey]

punctual or punchable

[hexed willow]

Por que no los dos?

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

aight

[strange python]

For what no the two?

[balmy condor]

any other dumb technicalities

for the command

[strange python]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/2nd-place-2nd-groups-2nd-medal-starts-gif-16677939

[hexed willow]

How do ensure the guide is read before questions are asked

[steel spire]

Assas chat #1

[mystic osprey]

fr other rogue chats suck

outlaw 😂

[balmy condor]

if you figure out how to do that I'd split my earnings from the guide

[hexed willow]

Sub is pretty good

I’ll let you know

[balmy condor]

implement maplestory class discord rules

if you ask an FAQ question you get banned

[mystic osprey]

sub rogue sucks because it doesnt have whispyr in it

[strange python]

whispyr plays sub

[balmy condor]

yeah it's true

I played it on raz in season 1

[steel spire]

But they have hachadino

[mystic osprey]

traitor

[strange python]

that's the last time you played sub?

[balmy condor]

correct

[strange python]

Where did someone post an excerpt from today then - maybe the method guide?

lemme try to find it

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

method guide intro says im a sub tc from shadowlands

[strange python]

yeah

[balmy condor]

cause they don't take it out

idk why

[strange python]

oh

[balmy condor]

I've removed it plenty of times

[slim hamlet]

It's legit an impossible task

Remember when the literal channel was called "CHECK PINS - Assassination"

And people didn't check pins

[balmy condor]

they glazed me for the intro

and I'm like hey

can we not

and they still do

idk

[hexed willow]

I’ll keep answering the easy questions

[slim hamlet]

what does that mean

[steel spire]

[hexed willow]

Feels like it’s somewhat helpful

[hexed willow]

How do I sim if my feels > reals

[queen mango]

In feral theres an entire pin dedicated to linking to an extremely detailed extremely well thought out guide with talents and gear and terms explained and everything and people never read it

[balmy condor]

check pins assa with a 10 min slow mode was very good

[strange python]

The problem is when the answer requires more nuanced thought and explanation than one is willing or capable to give in a short, non-formal interaction, like discord really.

[hexed willow]

I save that for the smart folks

[strange python]

jesus christ - 10 min slow mode

[hexed willow]

But the “what do I pick” yeah I can help with that

[slim hamlet]

Seen worse

[strange python]

i'd fucking afk

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's the point

[slim hamlet]

I remember waiting and typing on cooldown

Good times

[hexed willow]

Kills the vibe of the channel though

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

Even 30 sec is like annoying af

[balmy condor]

that's the point

[strange python]

AND it penalizes FAST TYPERS more than slow typers

[magic fossil]

hi guys, people are saying in my server that blizz has confirmed nerfs in sin after RWF ends, proceed? anyone knows anything about it???????

[balmy condor]

hi guys, people are saying in my server that blizz has confirmed nerfs in sin after RWF ends, proceed? anyone knows anything about it???????

[strange python]

they see me trollin - they hatin

[hexed willow]

We know nothing, we’ve seen nothing, join us in blissful ignorance

[magic fossil]

its troll?

[slim hamlet]

hi guys, people are saying in my server that blizz has confirmed nerfs in sin after RWF ends, proceed? anyone knows anything about it???????

[magic fossil]

thank god.

[slim hamlet]

Wait

[stark kraken]

hi guys, people are saying in my server that blizz has confirmed nerfs in sin after RWF ends, proceed? anyone knows anything about it???????

[slim hamlet]

U were not trolling?

[magic fossil]

no

wtf is happening

[slim hamlet]

Oh well

[hexed willow]

It was a real question gosh yall are so judgmental!

[magic fossil]

look my messages..

[hexed willow]

Exciting times

[slim hamlet]

They would never ever say "we will do this, but not until rwf is over"

[strange python]

If they wanna nerf us - just get rid of PI - or stop giving PI to sin rogues.

[hexed willow]

Welcome to the most fun channel

[slim hamlet]

Like legit never

[oak tangle]

i need some proof reading

[magic fossil]

i never asked anything about it

oO

[oak tangle]

am i missing any pooling stuff

[magic fossil]

okay

[strange python]

jesus h

[hexed willow]

Uh yes

[slim hamlet]

idek what I am looking at

Weird ahh green feet

[strange python]

someone hire this guy

[hexed willow]

The <2s part

[half moss]

!chinesefood

[balmy condor]

the >2 should be <2

[oak tangle]

true

true

[earnest remnant]

i dont even know what thats supposed to be

[subtle kiln]

guys I’m friends with James. he said after RWF assa getting gutted by blizzard.

[oak tangle]

i swapped it cause i was meant to put a no bueno on +2s

[slim hamlet]

I know what pooling is supposed to look like, and I still don't understand that picture

[magic fossil]

pooling

[balmy condor]

low effort pooling guide

[oak tangle]

but didnt put the no bueno

[hexed willow]

Also I wouldn’t associate SD with pooling

Because you don’t pool during cds

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's the point

[lucid rain]

I associate rogue players with being very attractive

[slim hamlet]

That's the point

But who the fuck knows

With that picture

[strange python]

yeah that's what the first one is saying i think

[slim hamlet]

[strange python]

he's an artist ok

leaves a lot up to interpretation/imagination

[slim hamlet]

Yea and I dislike modern art

Besides the orb one

The orb one is good

[strange python]

That picture literally tells whatever story you want it to

[hexed willow]

Orb is solid

[slim hamlet]

Clean and easy

[hexed willow]

Whispyr missed out on the ashes > branch argument though

[strange python]

there was an ashes > branch argument?

[slim hamlet]

Wait

[strange python]

how'd it turn out

[slim hamlet]

We were supposed to ping him

[strange python]

just TLDR us

[slim hamlet]

have you needed the copy pasta or whatever it was you were making for "branch bad" argument yet Whispyr?

[balmy condor]

no

[mellow copper]

guys how do you survive that fcking 3d boss in everbloom ? That fire ability is insane.. Feint doesnt work and i have only 1 cloak... do you take extra vers for this dungeon or maybe Elusiveness instead of Cheat Death ?

[slim hamlet]

I really wanna see it

[lucid silo]

potions

[hexed willow]

They remained unconvinced that branch was better because it could lead to their death

[balmy condor]

RAAAAAAAAA

[strange python]

Literally, if they deleted branch and PI - sin would be right in line with every other spec, damage-wise.

[hexed willow]

And therefor ashes was easier

[slim hamlet]

Spam vial, use healthpot correctly, cry

[strange python]

I mean

They might have a point

If you pop branch then die running to/from the orbs - it kinda sucked for you

[slim hamlet]

But I really FEEL like it is not as good as numbers show tho?

[soft shale]

nice to know sub tc for shadowlands do you get dms about sub too?

[hexed willow]

But you don’t run to them. Just step to the left and naturally grab one and the rest come to you

[slim hamlet]

Wait we can dm whispyr about sub?

Sick

[strange python]

well yeah i mean if he did do that though lol

[hexed willow]

You can @ stealthi about sin stuff too

[earnest remnant]

fuck off

[strange python]

whispyr said his dm's are like the 24-hour drive-thru, always open.

[soft shale]

i think stealthi is more about oulaw dms

so he knows who to block

[hexed willow]

I would never

[slim hamlet]

Stealthi what stat weight for AP + blindside build in m+ atal dazar?

Is 40% crit too much?

[hexed willow]

I still can’t believe Eranog ring is being discussed in that channel

[soft shale]

people can get bored without raiding

[strange python]

They tryina eek out whatever they can, wherever they can

[soft shale]

it is what it is

they found a good bug at least

it is super krangled how it works tho

[polar bridge]

anyone have the PI graph

[balmy condor]

yeah I agree actually....

whispyr, wowhead, icyveins, top 100 logs on both single target and aoe fights, subcreation for m+ and raid, simulationcraft, and bloodmallet, are all wrong.

But me, JoeSchmoeWhoIsAHoe42069. I've sent 15 messages in jpctheman_'s twitch chat and watched about a half hour of tindral prog (didn't watch early fights cause they die so fast it's boring), so I'm what some might consider a bit of an expert

[slim hamlet]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/power_infusion

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet

[hexed willow]

Bloodmallet

[polar bridge]

o derp

[slim hamlet]

Wait good point

[hexed willow]

Just don’t do multi target

[slim hamlet]

If branch is soo good

Why doesn't JPC use it

[hexed willow]

Multi target PI sims aren’t so good

[slim hamlet]

huh mr tc man

U think about that?

[hexed willow]

He actually has it in his bag

And said that he hates it. Trust me

[balmy condor]

I have and I actually have a screenshot for that too

[slim hamlet]

pretty sure he disenchanted it

[earnest remnant]

Stat weights for AP + Blindside m+ Atal Dazar

[slim hamlet]

Nice photoshop

I did see that pic

I know JPC wouldn't sandbag like this

smh my head

[strange python]

just saying, the "my head" part is kinda implied in the smh

[slim hamlet]

so 10%?

I am confused

[hexed willow]

Maybe more. Maybe less

[earnest remnant]

click it and find out

[strange python]

||i clicked it||

[slim hamlet]

Yes I see a thumbs up and a 0

so 10 right?

[hushed fable]

Which buff from Cruel dreamcarver is worth more M+ wise you think? Beasts or mechs?

[slim hamlet]

I did see that in some video

[strange python]

beasts bruh

[slim hamlet]

But didn't know if I could believe it

[hexed willow]

I’m at 25% vers

[slim hamlet]

I say mech without a doubt

[hexed willow]

Because I have shitty rings please send help

[balmy condor]

I'm actually going to delete that

I ain't about it

[slim hamlet]

Beast never does anything and mechs is useless but does a minimal amount when it actually matters

[balmy condor]

feels disgusting even to post as a meme

[slim hamlet]

FUCK

[strange python]

screenshotted - dm me for copy

[slim hamlet]

I SHOULD HAVE SCREENSHOTTED

[slim hamlet]

yo

[soft shale]

too late it is on the internet now

[slim hamlet]

imma need that

[polar bridge]

wait that was meme? I insta screenshotted

[hexed willow]

Dragonkin

[slim hamlet]

Giant

[hexed willow]

Movement speed is bis, the others suck

[strange python]

10% leech bis

[slim hamlet]

highmountain tauren + giant cruel dagger

[daring spoke]

only stat that matters is avoidance

[slim hamlet]

[strange python]

It aint there all the time, but it's there when you need it

[remote oak]

I'm stressing out over PI in my raid group

[slim hamlet]

Idk if u are actually low the small amount from mech is better imo

[strange python]

lol do explain moar

[oak tangle]

ok second draft

[hexed willow]

10% leech with 5% uptime is 0.5% leech

[slim hamlet]

unironically enough to survive 3rd boss everbloom for example

[slim hamlet]

Where u need all u can get

[oak tangle]

for hopefully visual clarity

[slim hamlet]

[remote oak]

UH who does little damage keeps getting it from the priest

Then when he switches to frost he keeps getting it

But they don't wanna fuss over switching targets with it

[daring spoke]

just play sub, then you dont need to think about pi, because its the 5th lowest benefiting spec foolproof

[slim hamlet]

Like mech did 1.5 mil healing in a dungeon

[hexed willow]

The math checks out

[remote oak]

I wish it didn't exist tbh

[slim hamlet]

And it only does when u need it

Surely that's bis

[remote oak]

So I wouldn't have to fuss about it

[spice spire]

I missed a meme wtf

[subtle kiln]

for you it doesn’t.

[hexed willow]

But speeeeeed

[remote oak]

[hexed willow]

My dagger essentially triple rolled tertiaries

[slim hamlet]

idk just dont pick critter or giant unless u a chad

and u good

[hexed willow]

Giant Tauren is entertaining

[steel spire]

Speed 👍

[soft shale]

i like the leech one has saved me sometimes

[steel spire]

Church of zoom approved

[soft shale]

but speed is also cool

[strange python]

how giant does the giant make you

[hexed willow]

Head and shoulders taller than anyone else

Like a boomkin comes up to your waist

[strange python]

taller than taurens?

no way

that big?

[hexed willow]

Oh yeah

[strange python]

and it's permanent?

[hexed willow]

Yes

[strange python]

wtf

[hexed willow]

You feel the movement speed though

[strange python]

you guys made me log in earlier already

and swap my shit

it's probably like 5% bigger

[steel spire]

[hexed willow]

Do it you wont

[strange python]

just enough to feel slower, but not actually see a size difference

[hexed willow]

Dragonkin, mechanical and beast is all close to valdrakken at least

[cunning basin]

pure gold btw

[strange python]

beast is literally IN valdrakken

[opaque stream]

is deadly or instant poison better?

[strange python]

deadly

[steel spire]

[opaque stream]

do you get energy from it?

[strange python]

deadly does the same amt of instant damage as instant right

[hexed willow]

Check the wowhead guide

[strange python]

plus it has a dot

[hexed willow]

It’ll answer more questions like that

It also is required for CS to work

[strange python]

i think you get energy when you - what tick a bleed on a target that has poison on it?

[balmy condor]

I wonder if the baseline poison for all 3 rogue specs is better than the assassination-only talented poison at the top of the tree that requires a talent point

[strange python]

jeez, when you put it like that

[hexed willow]

I mean

He’s not wrong

[opaque stream]

there are a lot of talent points that are useless at the top :)

[hexed willow]

Like what?

[steel spire]

Then why can we still apply instant

[balmy condor]

??????

[soft shale]

so you mean we go instant and wound

thx for the counsel

[junior aurora]

oh true

[opaque stream]

well maybe not after the rework

[junior aurora]

we can still apply instant

might as well go instant

[balmy condor]

name a talent you put a point into that you don't use or provides no benefit

[strange python]

wait, vicious venoms - like why is that not spattering - some kinda increase...just take venom rush

[steel spire]

Wouldn't deadly replace instant if it was better

[cunning basin]

whatever the top of spriest talent tree is bc that class got deleted

[hexed willow]

Keep it rolling because DH keep deleting everything

[cunning basin]

[primal dagger]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor is this certified to repost for pooling, i won't post it unless it i get certification

[balmy condor]

yeh that's fine

[strange python]

put Whispyr-Certified in the bottom right now

[cunning basin]

thats kinda fire tbh

[soft shale]

i also certify it

[strange python]

Did you change your vanity to ER or it always been that?

[soft shale]

rotten died

went behind the barn

[strange python]

jeez

[hexed willow]

Unless you still have t30 😭

[spice spire]

Acrobatic strikes (I still ate the bosses ass when I used it)

[balmy condor]

real

[fallow acorn]

wow raiding has changed a lot since I used to do that

[runic hinge]

who's ass don't you eat

[spice spire]

Damn

[hexed willow]

Iridikon

[balmy condor]

bill cosby

[fallow acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cosby-mmm-bill-gif-5808185

[balmy condor]

not conscious enough to eat his ass

[keen spruce]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1986569624

we found a way to not lose you KB target on the first pull of a dungeon

[spice spire]

Self promo mf

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

[simple violet]

!fok

[balmy condor]

powerful command

[simple violet]

!fanofknives

lol!

[balmy condor]

twice as powerful

[soft shale]

fawk knives

[runic hinge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[balmy condor]

has more letters

[keen spruce]

!whispyr

[balmy condor]

if you type it out in japanese the command will work promise

[keen spruce]

[soft shale]

for real?

kata or hira

[balmy condor]

wouldn't you like to know

[dusty loom]

! 小声

Liar

[balmy condor]

there's a typo in that

[dusty loom]

Dang it

[balmy condor]

(I don't read japanese)

[dusty loom]

Duolingo would be disappointed

! こごえ

[oak tangle]

pls tell how you at 600k just multi dotting

😦

[keen spruce]

[simple violet]

looking at zerocools logs here. Hes not really using fok that often choosing to mur instead. Any idea why or what rule for when to use fok? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N7AmXcMnG18z4Z3V#fight=24&type=damage-done&source=843

[keen spruce]

we broke 2mil tho

[oak tangle]

is it just being simped

[balmy condor]

why don't you ask him

fok is 3+

can also ask him why he thought this was a good use of energy

[simple violet]

lol

[soft shale]

KNIFED

[balmy condor]

mans used poisoned knife more in 10 seconds than I have in 10 years

[soft shale]

i used it to keep energy roling in bled people in pvp

[shut owl]

zero's logs are always wacky looking, but he's an edge-case player... so maybe don't take the +26 strats as gospel for your 20's and lower

[soft shale]

more like those kind of keys are more coordination than actual dmg

what a surprise!

[keen spruce]

zero is proof that perfect logs and sim perfection is not what makes you a good player

admire his achievements, do not copy his methods

[balmy condor]

26 hours of grinding a day

[soft shale]

i mean as long as they can take feedback about how and why they are making the mistakes it is cool

[balmy condor]

[soft shale]

unlike a certain individual

[shut owl]

I saw the man take ST into vortex pinnacle last season and tried to repeat it. It was... an experience.

an amusing one. but an experience

[shut owl]

he's also using an alternative build that gets a lotta 4p tier value instead of the general builds. Note the lack of FoK + CT talents.

which is kinda par for the course from what I've seen of him lol

[thorn bobcat]

he said on his stream he's trying some cooked build yea

[shut owl]

yeah, it sure looks cooked

[thorn bobcat]

dps is not the issue in keys rn its healing

[shut owl]

its in the pins on that aoe profile update whispyr did

I might try it sometime... but I also am terrified of it

though the more I look the more I realize its just raid build--

[thorn bobcat]

i think not playing caustic is pure int

[slate crown]

Did they fix the ozumat SD proc thing?

[shut owl]

its got caustic in it, what are you on about?

[slate crown]

I just did throne and i didn't get a giga SD pop on it

[thorn bobcat]

ah i thought it was that build without it

if you look on murlok there's like 11/50 people not playing caustic

or it's probably just raider io being bugged or wherever they're pooling their data from

i hope it's the latter

[junior aurora]

doing dungeons with 2 assa rogues with one having way more gear is so funny

my sudden demise took complete precedence

[fallow acorn]

haha

hope you called him out for doing terrible dmg

"wow you suck WHAT ARE YOU DOING GAWD"

"terrible."

[steel spire]

Ranged rogue back

[junior aurora]

i thought he was running the wrong talents bc he didnt have a single sudden demise proc

then i realized what was happening

[shut owl]

yeah.... won't ever have double sin keys this season I don't think

unless one is doing the no-CT/SD build

[fallow acorn]

Shmeeps stream is pretty good haha

they are losing it laughing so hard

[thorn bobcat]

especially if you play with a DH just let him jump around and vaporize trash

by the time you put our your bleeds the pack is dead anyway

[bleak kiln]

what build makes the most sense currently in like 18~ keys (assuming a dh burning all the packs)?

[junior aurora]

either still

[hexed willow]

Either is good

Just don’t go single target please

[bleak kiln]

oki

[mystic osprey]

do I still wanna wait for 1 sec on envenom in aoe

[chilly viper]

How do you even farm the blazefury medallion

[bleak kiln]

you roll the dice once a day

[chilly viper]

Where how

[bleak kiln]

lord kazzak

blasted lands

[strange trail]

Do we macro the branch trinket with deathmark?

[tall atlas]

when do i stop the envenom chain

[simple violet]

in the Kinbgsbane* window I essentially want to spam muts/envenoms then use shiv and tea at <6seconds and vanish at ❤️ seconds correct?

[chilly viper]

lol

nightbane

[lament dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[chilly viper]

do I queue for something or just go there and kill his arse

[royal lantern]

no

you are normaly energy capped in aoe, no reason to wait

[smoky leaf]

guys whats the trick to getting nick of time in my vault next week, what quests do i gotta do

[thorn bobcat]

befriend a game master

[royal lantern]

be shit at the game

worst players get the best loot

always

[smoky leaf]

100% getting it then

[oak tangle]

i don't have a nick, but idk if im not shit at the game

[mystic osprey]

same her

[forest oasis]

does the rotation change at all without any tier set? (i still have 4pc from last season if that matters)

or stuff like staying above 150 energy etc

[hexed willow]

The rotation is the standard rotation, it’s good practice too for when you get 4p

[forest oasis]

will it impact my dps alot atm? im only 440 ilvl doing 8-10s

stuff usually dies pretty quickly already

[hexed willow]

Things will last longer, it’s good to do things right to have good habits

[bleak kiln]

check custom groups in lfg

[bleak eagle]

maybe a dumbquestion but does quicksim have the 4pc as just another envenom?

[forest oasis]

👍 thanks

[hexed willow]

4p is just added damage when you do things correctly

Should show up as a different damage source

[tall atlas]

Do I let my bleeds fall off for the envenom chain

[lucid silo]

No but you should be able to keep them up until the chain ends

[hexed willow]

If you click on envenom in quick sim, it’ll break it down

[forest oasis]

https://i.imgur.com/fca3fQa.png does it matter how long is left on the current garrote for this btw?

[hexed willow]

It should be in pandemic time

[north pond]

how many runs did u guys do for double dag? im at 32 with 1 right now just trying to feel better

[hexed willow]

Since 11s will have passed, it’s ~1gcd away

[fresh kelp]

Is the best build for M+ the Arterial shock build? Saw a few dragon tempered builds?

[tall atlas]

Why would we not always death mark after improved garrote?

[hexed willow]

Both are very good

[hexed willow]

Because we want to imp garrote in DM

[hot lion]

We're gonna get nerfed into the ground after rwf aren't we

[tall atlas]

But does dm not snap active bleeds and dupe them

[hexed willow]

Read it again

“Applied to the target are duplicated”

[tall atlas]

Makes sense ty

Explains a lot

Tyty

[hexed willow]

And imp garrote has highest prio due to the damage it does

[tall atlas]

Over kb

I would always do both in jw

I’m*

[hexed willow]

KB is almost immediately after DM

And then after KB you’re applying imp garrote

Since you SD with KB

[placid wave]

!ug

[eternal nymph]

I'm at that number without one

So you can feel good

[tacit charm]

is this good stat distribution? or do I need to lose haste and vers to get more crit and mas

[eternal nymph]

Sim it

[compact wing]

Got 2 Nick of Times in 2 runs

Kinda pog

[hexed willow]

Sims are your friend. Don’t think about stat weights pretty much ever

[placid wave]

!ug

[hexed willow]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[hexed willow]

If that’s what you’re looking for enath

[tacit charm]

yea but ive heard that stat weights arent very accurate

so I wasnt sure

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/pomeranian-gamer-xbox-gif-18809633

[hexed willow]

Yeah they aren’t anymore

@keen spruce you at 2k yet

[oak tangle]

haha omg

[tacit charm]

wait how do I sim for stat weights

[delicate trench]

3 envenoms in 26 seconds..

[hexed willow]

You don’t

[delicate trench]

is this all we get ?

[tacit charm]

ah ok

[hexed willow]

Stat weights you ignore it isn’t real

[delicate trench]

3

[keen spruce]

2962

[hexed willow]

Just sim gear and enjoy 🙂

[keen spruce]

we're trying to push keys up rn

[tacit charm]

ok gotcha

[keen spruce]

to scrape the last bit

[tacit charm]

ty

[finite zealot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[sick abyss]

WHat stats should i aim for in my crafts?

[clever perch]

Do you guys macro Dance with KB?

gimme some nasty macros

[hexed willow]

Probably crit mastery but sim it

[clever perch]

either crit mastery or mastery/haste

[sick abyss]

my sims say mastery haste

[hexed willow]

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane

[clever perch]

it depends on ur stats

[sick abyss]

ya true

[oblique jackal]

kingsblade?

[hexed willow]

So go for mastery haste then 🙂

Jesus

Fixing thanks Ashlyn

[oblique jackal]

❤️

[zinc frost]

Kingsblade does sound cool tho

[oblique jackal]

you can always macro it to say kingsblade

[balmy condor]

Blingscane

[dusty loom]

Slingblame

[lucid rain]

kingsbane while you

[mystic osprey]

WOAH

[hexed willow]

The OG Kingsbane

[steel spire]

[eternal heath]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[mighty lake]

This true for M+ as well? Or is keeping vanishes rdy worth incase of no-stealth so u can spread bleeds?

[balmy condor]

situational

[fossil flume]

spec sucks just play outlaw

[spice spire]

False worstie

[oak tangle]

Does it surprise anyone that when wow took us back to legion artefact spells we love it?

[distant plinth]

Legion was super fun compared to this…. Covenant mixed into talent tree piss

[hexed willow]

I’m having a blast

I’m sorry you aren’t enjoying it 😦

[oak tangle]

what covenant stuff are we doing?

[distant plinth]

All i need is big numbers to enjoy anything anyways

[steel spire]

Bring back sangussy

[spice spire]

Sbs my king

(You aren’t doing covenant stuff)

[oak tangle]

SBS is a TV channel here, i refuse to allow it to be more

[strange python]

im assuming 489 dagger ~= 483 nichole fulltime?

[gusty mirage]

489 in MH will win

[strange python]

ok

[gusty mirage]

all our abilities scale off weapon dps

[strange python]

bis for now?

[gusty mirage]

you're bing chilling

[strange python]

cool

[gusty mirage]

only thing that'll be better is nick from vault

[strange python]

thank fuck free from that prison

[gusty mirage]

[daring spoke]

spec also sucks, just play sub

[gusty mirage]

game sucks, let's all just play in traffic instead

[daring spoke]

i find sin fun, im just so god awful at energy pooling that i default to the spec i can monke brain with

[strange python]

pooling isnt that prevelant with 4p tho

youre dumping til you cant

[daring spoke]

yeah but now all my gear is statted for sub and i have subs optimal tier slots

[craggy river]

why is infurious footwraps of indemnity not good for keys

we CC every stealth garrote opener?

[paper blaze]

guys question the talents for m

[hexed willow]

Thorns boots is a great embellishment

[gusty mirage]

does garrote silence count for the boots though

it says loss of control effect, interrupting or dispelling an enemy

[craggy river]

yes

just tried it

[gusty mirage]

neat

[paper blaze]

guys question the talents for m+ is for fort and tryranic?

[exotic pulsar]

whats that webiste that shows you the castsequence of players?

[soft shale]

not enough stats on the proc

[hexed willow]

Lorrgs?

[gusty mirage]

629 primary stat is pretty good

probably just an ilvl thing for the boots themselves

[exotic pulsar]

tried but its not there anymore, seems like subcreation may be the new one

[craggy river]

warcraftlogs

[soft shale]

you can make those boots 486

[craggy river]

yeah... shit loads of agi every 30s or almost every pack?? isn't that.. good?

[soft shale]

but who knows as sub they are not that good maybe assa can get some use from silences

[hexed willow]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/gnarlroot

[soft shale]

although using 1 cheapshot is not impossible

[exotic pulsar]

nevermind, the link i had was dead but website is there

[craggy river]

we garrote every opener

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's effectively doubling the agi on the boots every 30s

[soft shale]

i was talking about sub there

[gusty mirage]

which is really good

[soft shale]

but they seem decent for assa who knows

[gusty mirage]

but it's also a dead embellish on bosses

cause you can't garrote silence them

[soft shale]

i remember way back it was because the agi proc did not scale

guess on some dungeon you have some adds you can dance or vanish silence but uh

[gusty mirage]

@craggy river it might be the case where it was never bothered being looked at cause it's useless on bosses, but I can see where it'd be kinda good af on trash

[tranquil flint]

anyone have the quick link to the kingsbane tracker weakaura it doesnt seem to show up when i search for it

[agile osprey]

@gusty mirage Your hpal has good rng. he just got me back to back daggers

[gusty mirage]

tell kiriko I love him

[hexed willow]

notter’s KB

[tranquil flint]

tyvm

[oak tangle]

puggin 11 fall

i just want dagger

get me out dis prison

[daring spoke]

i also just want dagger
rngesus hates us

[keen spruce]

but if u get dagger from an 11

then you'll still need to farm one out of a 17

[hexed willow]

Don’t say it

[keen spruce]

[oak tangle]

i can't farm 17's

[hexed willow]

That’s my situation 😭

[oak tangle]

no keys

[keen spruce]

u doin 167k overall

[daring spoke]

not if i get one from my vault 😉

[keen spruce]

that's plenty

[hexed willow]

Farmed 17s and then helped a friend with 11

[oak tangle]

it's not a skill thing

it's an oce thing

[keen spruce]

look in about 1-2 hours the whole lfg will be oce

[hexed willow]

I see OCE pugs all the time

[keen spruce]

that's my normal alarm clock to go bedge

[daring spoke]

not sure what i want more in my vault, branch or dagger

[hexed willow]

^ thats when I play

[keen spruce]

[hexed willow]

Branch

[oak tangle]

i did my own 20 falls, but i don't wanna keep doing 20's to reroll

[steel spire]

Praise oce gamers, if not for them we couldn't degen for daggers

[daring spoke]

everbloom hates me, im at the point where ive given up and intend to just slam as many high keys as i can and hope for a good vault

[oak tangle]

so if there aint no 17+ for me, may as well do a 9

[faint path]

I did 25+ 17 everbloom then I gave up I did 14 and it dropped

[oak tangle]

at this point im just wanting an OH timestrike before raid tomorrow.

[fading patrol]

im at 60 gala for the dagger lol

dropped once

[faint path]

Im just at 10 at my gala

Now Im farming that :p

[fading patrol]

i think it has like 1% drop rate

[daring spoke]

tbh, right now, i only want a mh timestrike, dps isnt as good but the igira dagger's on use can net me a really nice buff for progress that i wanna keep

[mighty lake]

Any1 hasa a good assa WA? Using naowhs but it's not good enough for what needs to be shown etc

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

whole list there

[mighty lake]

Any recomms?

[balmy condor]

considering mine is in that list

I have some biases

[mighty lake]

haha

What's the "pooling prac tool"?

[balmy condor]

exactly what the name implies

it's a tool that'll help you practice pooling

puts a big fuck you icon on the screen when it wants you to spend energy

[oak tangle]

might need to make it say "read the guide" when it's time to pool

[mighty lake]

I mean it wanted me to do a 3 point rupture just now?

[balmy condor]

yeh it probably did

cause you didn't have rupture up

and that's an issue

[mighty lake]

Would you not always want 5-6p rupture?

[balmy condor]

you're reading into this too much my guy

the point is "get rupture up bozo"

[daring spoke]

the pooling practice tool isnt perfect

[oak tangle]

it not a hekili clone

[balmy condor]

not "cast rupture at 3.843890 cp with >32.329% energy"

[daring spoke]

if you know its wrong, do the correct thing and then the practice tool will move onto the next thing

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's not a rotation helper

[mighty lake]

Got it

[balmy condor]

it's just

"here's the thing you should be doing"

slight difference

[torn atlas]

Just apply to everything dude. I can't say I've had much issue playing with non oce groups.

[mighty lake]

The #6 point, do we really risk critting at 4 CP just to get a 5-6CP envenom over a 4CP?

[oak tangle]

do you gamble on azralon?

[balmy condor]

yes

[mighty lake]

It's just during the opener right? Or always? Bc point #13 and all the info I'm reading is 4+ not 5+

[balmy condor]

its before deathmarks

[oak tangle]

before dm only, and i'd also do it before a rupture refresh

[mighty lake]

Oh yeah, the opener is only a 3p rupture, right?

Does rupture increase in duration by some ability we have or why are we 3p a dot?

[daring spoke]

this is why i love sub, shadow blades does all the work for me LUL

[balmy condor]

that would be a 6cp rupture

[torn atlas]

All pugs are a gamble 😉

[balmy condor]

gar is 3, ambush is 3

3 and 3 is 6

[mighty lake]

Got 5 just now, I'm guessing it's bc of m+ talents.

[balmy condor]

yeh

improved ambush makes it 6

[oak tangle]

will be the ambush talent on the class tree

[balmy condor]

or a crit

[somber sparrow]

does

/cast deathmark
/use 13

require me to press it twice for using witherbark's branch or will it cast both at once

[daring spoke]

it casts both a once

[balmy condor]

as long as you're not trying to hit it mid gcd

[somber sparrow]

ah that makes sense about the gcd, i wasn't thinking of that

[latent onyx]

Hey @balmy condor , loving your WA edit, just not sure if I am missing it but is there an indicator for how long is left on indiscrimiate carnage? I know the blue border is to indicate the improved garrote / rupture but not sure how to see how long they will apply to 3 mobs

[balmy condor]

errr

should have an indicator in there

I updated a couple days ago with it

red bar on the left

[latent onyx]

I think I downloaded yours a while ago, let me update maybe

thanks!

[faint path]

@balmy condor dont we have between build like arterial +poison bomb etc I dont wanna play poison bomb but arterial also sucks sometimes etc etc 😄 for m+

[balmy condor]

np

what

no

at that point it's just a raid build with carnage

[faint path]

hmm okay thank you

[balmy condor]

but you're saying you don't want to play either one

and that's just

not possible

[oak tangle]

the game doesn't let you not put in talents now does it?

[faint path]

I was havinng so much fun arterial but sometimes single target seems a little bit lower

[latent onyx]

updated now and that red bar for carnage is perfect, thanks again

[balmy condor]

my pleasure

[balmy condor]

yeh well that's just how talented into aoe works

[neat horizon]

@balmy condor I like to run instant poison for instant dmg but why am i doing low overall?

[mighty nexus]

Does anyone else just get absolutely blown out by BMs in M+ or is it just a skill issue

[oak tangle]

i don't get as blown out by bm as havoc

[neat horizon]

my favorite keys are both bm and havoc then ill be competing with the tank

[exotic pulsar]

So comparing my opener to the top on Heroic Fyrakk can someone tell me why this guy does like 40% more damage than I did?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1GPpNMF7CrZHvDTa#fight=107&source=421&start=236558114&end=236583604&type=damage-done

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7KPwFGAzXhdMNpZk#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3&start=14529773&end=14555614

he has evoker buffs but i thought they didnt do anything for logs and WF totem but wf isnt going to be 130k dps.

[mighty nexus]

havoc is rough af tbh, i only saw one today and i gapped him by like 70k overall

hopefully thats the only one i see tonight

[neat horizon]

im getting super tilted in keys lately, we do 10 times more effort than havoc or bm to build our damage into packs and ramp it up, while they just press a couple of buttons that do instant aoe and beat you by miles

its in the +20, +21 range

not super high i know but not super low either

[clever perch]

When do you use mirrors trinket as assa

before or after kingsbane?

[neat horizon]

idk how hard blizz are going to nerf them to change that but they need God

[slate crown]

Your second shiv is quite late, for one

secondly, you don't have a potion used

[exotic pulsar]

yeah i could have potted and i believe it was 1 global late on shiv

you think thats 135k dps worth of mistakes?

[slate crown]

No

[mighty nexus]

they're just gonna nerf us so we don't even consider ourselves in the same tier

[slate crown]

Just saying those are things that are different

[balmy condor]

you also didn't crit as much as that guy

[exotic pulsar]

i noticed my poison app was lower

[balmy condor]

yeh

[exotic pulsar]

is it jsut rng bullcrap or just better PI timing, i got mine on 2 and he got his on DM cast

[slate crown]

Also yoru power infusion on you was way earlier

[balmy condor]

both

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[exotic pulsar]

i had to basically beg to get PI instead of a mage tonight for 2 fights and they threw a fit about me asking

[oak tangle]

he had 100% crits, you had 57%

[balmy condor]

also your branch timing

seems very wrong

this don't make sense

[exotic pulsar]

i ended up with the s priest instead of a healer

i believe I used it right after DM

can you be more specific

[tepid idol]

Pot in opener still with DM or right away after garrote ?

[strange python]

is there a dummy that doesnt go below 35% randomly\

[balmy condor]

dm

[tepid idol]

Ty

[exotic pulsar]

Oh i see, i cast trinket at 10

but picked up first at 14

[balmy condor]

well the way we play branch is we cast with DM, pick up the first two very quickly

[exotic pulsar]

yeah

[balmy condor]

and then wait for the 3rd orb so it covers the kingsbane

[daring spoke]

how does branch timing work on sin? i know on sub we pair it with blades when cds are synced fckn shadowdust

[exotic pulsar]

i just need to pick up faster, we didnt really have time to get comfortable with fight, we killed it in just a couple pulls

and i was worried about all the fire on the ground

so i was hesitant

[balmy condor]

yeah you still had the buff for the last tick

so its kinda fine

but all these things are adding up

[exotic pulsar]

so dont miss shiv by 1 global, pick up orbs faster, get better pi timer, use pot, and crit my kingsbane 90% of the time.

np

[balmy condor]

yuh

and get poison procs

[exotic pulsar]

oh yeah, rng poison procs plz.

[balmy condor]

ez clap

just proc

[slate crown]

simply crit

[daring spoke]

at least you can /somewhat/ control 3 of those yourself so not awful

[balmy condor]

your wafting could've decided to proc a bit later as well, would've helped with the poison procs

[exotic pulsar]

yeah i saw these mistakes already (except for the slow orb pickup) but was just so confused how it was 135k

[balmy condor]

but yeh

[exotic pulsar]

so i thought i was doing something giga wrong

[daring spoke]

naw rngesus + group + some smaller mistakes it seems like

[exotic pulsar]

also my evoker randomly didnt buff me until 1 min in the fight?

just something i noticed

[balmy condor]

name checks out

[neat horizon]

we need guides to be more like this

[balmy condor]

Shitrogue = no buffs

ignored

[exotic pulsar]

tru

[balmy condor]

but also windfury is pretty big tbh, the windfury hits can also apply poisons

and you're getting pi and wafting and it's during lust

so you got big haste

for many auto

and windfury is just raw proc %

[oak tangle]

you also have like 8% more missed melees than him

[balmy condor]

so many auto mean many proc

no internal cd on windfury

[exotic pulsar]

every enh shaman we get fails trial, they are all other specs or other classes and think enh is easy and just giga int

[balmy condor]

let me see if I can run a quick comparison

[daring spoke]

enh is easy tho....

[exotic pulsar]

tell them that

if you know one that is alliance that wants to raid fri / sat let me know (literally noone wants to raid these days lol)

[daring spoke]

its not frost dk/fury warr easy, but its definitely easy XD

[exotic pulsar]

trialed 3 in the past 2 weeks, 2 failed and 1 ghosted (but was going to fail)

like doing just awful damage

and standing in crap

[oak tangle]

I made a pooling one

[daring spoke]

how are people this bad at the spec, it plays itself, its a fckn proc spec

[exotic pulsar]

no idea

i think they are too focused on procs and just get lost in the fight

[daring spoke]

like, i genuinely find sin significantly harder than enh

[exotic pulsar]

2 / 3 of them were ele shamans but we didnt want ele so they said they could play enh and realized melee is a different beast than sitting 40 yards away casting lightning bolt

[balmy condor]

yeh during burst windfury looking like 3.5%ish