assassination

[rugged sphinx]

Just so I know I'm not going insane, I can loot a 2nd Nick of Time, correct?

[slate crown]

No, use KB on CD, it fits in between every time

[lucid rain]

ask stealthi, man has like 5 of them

[hexed willow]

Unfortunately yes

[solemn kite]

You can loot a first one?

[rugged sphinx]

Unfortunate, because I still need to run falls until it drops again or..

[solemn kite]

Again?!

[rugged sphinx]

Sorry 😦

[solemn kite]

So then on AoE after opener you would just focus on refresh of rupture and then garrote on prio?

[hexed willow]

On all

[slate crown]

In AoE you spread bleeds everywhere once burst is done

[hexed willow]

It gives you energy to spam and feeds CT

[slate crown]

Maintaining good bleed coverage so you are energy saturated is the goal (5+ ruptures for scent of blood stacks)

Once your energy is no longer dropping at all as you spam fok, you can tunnel envenoms on your prio with spatter, maintaining Crimson Tempest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st6UJOP5Ok4 for more info

Question for you all, what do you do on last boss of rise in P1?

Like, do you just nuke boss on pull or do you hold CDs for the first add?

[hexed willow]

I personally hold CDs for the second add since everyone blows their load on the first

[dusty phoenix]

finally 1/2 nick of times

[grave geode]

Nick of Time is a lie propagated by the msm to keep us numb and docile 🥲

[dusty phoenix]

I can confirm

it exists

[grave geode]

Lies

[strange python]

I usually always blow my load on pull - unless there's a super obvious reason not to (like everbloom brittle bark, etc).

[dusty phoenix]

26 runs

now on to the next one

[grave geode]

Congrats. I actually don’t have a ton of room to complain as I’ve only ran fall 18 times. Still, Feelsbad.

[strange python]

i've run it 3 (so i feel bad having one myself)

That said, i worked my ass off for branch

[grave geode]

I haven’t gotten either but I’m not a giga grinder these days with my schedule.

[strange python]

Yeah I did 27

it was the last thing i was doing before bed, and the first thing when i'd get up

[grave geode]

Think I’m like 6 everbloom and 18 fall

[halcyon arch]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[strange python]

jeez

[dusty phoenix]

man branch is cool on paper but

i hate how it plays

[strange python]

i dont mind it man - i mini-gamed it on the dummies. I cast it with DM, take 3 steps left or right - and i have my 3 stacks for last tick of KB

Every now and then, in practice, it gets f'd up but whatever, it's no biggie

[violet sonnet]

what are ppl running for murozond rise

i never know what builds to run in this dungeon

[strange python]

I just run arterial everywhere

[violet sonnet]

okie dokie

[dusty phoenix]

same here

not completely sold on the other build

[strange python]

I mean i've run it - but - the no Blindside feels just absolute trash to me.

[hexed willow]

It’s not too bad

Just use it and let it come to you

Using it incorrectly is a 0.5% dps loss which still is wildly better than any other trinket

[runic hinge]

Zoldy also feels good

[halcyon arch]

Do we have any numbers on minmaxing Sanguine Blades vs just spending all energy?

[dusty phoenix]

ye but like

[strange python]

I'm not certain on numbers that exist - just that "those who do crunch numbers in that detail" have said to pretend it doesn't exist

[dusty phoenix]

sometimes I DM with branch and have to dodge something

then I have to pay attention to where the orbs are

while dealing with other shit

[hexed willow]

Playing correctly means SB does work

So you can pretends it’s not there

[strange python]

I mean this happens...but then i usually just gravitate toward those floating balls (if i realize it happened) and all works out fine in the end

[wise swan]

does anyone have a good weakaura for assa rogue

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dusty phoenix]

I mean yea its not too bad

[strange python]

FUCKIN SLOW BOY

[dusty phoenix]

I've mained dh in season 1

[spice spire]

At work bozo

Do ur job better

[dusty phoenix]

the soul mechanic was way more annoying

[spice spire]

[strange python]

[autumn folio]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak ivy]

dam sandglass dropped

finnally

[muted ridge]

What build is recommended to play on Tyr week? I've been running this one last week.

[hazy geyser]

I personally prefer the one with arterial precision.

[strange python]

just any of the m+ builds from the wowhead guide, honestly

[runic hinge]

Play whatever you like. They’re all fairly close

[hazy geyser]

sudden demise + zoldyck + arterial precision does so much aoe execute

[strange python]

To me - the only consideration is - how much I miss/don't miss Blindside.

[muted ridge]

ig this could do

aoe + ST stuff

[hazy geyser]

no sudden demise and scent of blood?

[muted ridge]

sudden not that necessary anymore

[strange python]

yeah sudden demise - i can give or take honestly

i aint playing without blindside though - unless it's like so mathematically superior that i can't say no

[runic hinge]

10% bleed damage is really strong

Scent also pretty strong

No iron wire is sus too

[distant fox]

But no ct is fine lol

[hexed willow]

I love sudden demise

[distant fox]

But i like that cursed build

[dusty phoenix]

is there a caviat to blackjack? am I missing something? how is it not always taken over tricks in high keys atleast on subc statistics

[hexed willow]

Thats the max aoe damage build thats cursed and dumb

[dusty phoenix]

seems kinda sick to me

[muted ridge]

Okay I got the vibe, all builds are really close af xd

[hexed willow]

Doesn’t apply to mobs that can’t be blinded

Still really good

[dusty phoenix]

yea but a lot can

[hexed willow]

I only pick up tricks for outlaw

Because only outlaw really feels like it’s bursting out of the gate

[dusty phoenix]

++ sin doesnt rly need tricks honestly

yea

[rapid mirage]

What kind of haste are yall feeling good at in M+ 20+

[distant fox]

Doesnt matter really

[hexed willow]

Whatever the sims tell me

Always listen to the voices

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-in-my-head-voices-cat-gif-23453583

[distant fox]

More haste = more energy regen but more draw feom sanguine

[finite zealot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gaunt moat]

plenty of logs using ashes that performed better than branch.
I agree that on paper branch is more damage.
But it's not worth the extra hassle.

[distant fox]

Assa is sooo cool cant stopping to thing bput my lil girl

About

[hexed willow]

Logs have so much extra extraneous factors

[royal vessel]

can I just macro branch deathmark and fire and forget?

[gaunt moat]

yes, but it's not like branch is performing so much better that it's the only choice.

[hexed willow]

And branch really isn’t hard to use, and still great if used suboptimally

[tranquil stirrup]

is it normal that i sim ~20k less dmg in aoe build then in ST build ? ( both Patchwerk )

[hexed willow]

No of course not but the best way to compare things is simming

[hexed willow]

Yes you’re losing ST talents for aoe talents

[distant fox]

Well, yes

[tranquil stirrup]

i see

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6rXP2Mexs4qSt3shUrRtSL

[hazy geyser]

@gusty mirage we need your wisdom on this

[distant fox]

If it would sim the same or more, whispyr would have fucked up

[tranquil stirrup]

been running this , i have bad gear of course , but only 125k in patchwerk

[hazy geyser]

you can't be serious lmao

[onyx sandal]

So I was playing without CT in aoe last week. Swapped to it this week for m+. It feels odd to use but holy shit do I feel like I'm pumping. Staying hybrid build this week for the ST boss damage.

Does anyone else feel Kingsbane and death mark aren't too useful on tyrannical trash weeks?

[gaunt moat]

The issue is people see "sims higher = only choice"
while imo, even something is hard to use optimally, it's less dps.
And i know personally branch would lead me to deaths.

[hexed willow]

How? You just let it come to you

Ashes is the next best one no argument there

[onyx sandal]

I got me some KSH this week, and unless it's, like, a witch in WM, nothing lives long enough for my CDs. Lol

[hexed willow]

But you can fire and forget branch and it still does amazing stuff

[gaunt moat]

Except you suddenly have to move, and you miss them, and they have to chase you, and you never pick it up.. etc. etc.
it's not just "don't move".

[hexed willow]

How often are you moving during DM?

[gaunt moat]

very often

[upper spear]

anyone know an addon to get rid of the combo points/energy bar that floats under our char

[simple ore]

it's in settings, personal resource display

[upper spear]

ty

[strange python]

does this look more or less in the ball park as a m+ run

[dusty loom]

I flip and flop so much trying to find a balance on nameplates and unit frames where it’s visually optimal so I can see when to kick stuff and also see my combo points without looking away from my target but it still always looks messy

[dark token]

where is ur sudden demise

its my top 3 dam

?

[cinder parrot]

what build is best for 20s in m+?

[strange python]

i actually have no idea

[cinder parrot]

feel like you need doomblade

[dusty loom]

I think this depends on the dungeon as well as the affixes. Like running SD for bursting seems like a recipe for disaster

[hexed willow]

You should ask whispyr about doom blade

[dark token]

[strange python]

o i just copy pasted whispyr's hybrid build

[cinder parrot]

then what would you go for this week

[dark token]

it should be higher

whispyr baiting people so hard with this build

smh

[strange python]

what do you do to make it higher

[dull cobalt]

if im gonna be running keys... should it be double BSL or is toxic thorn wraps better? says footwraps are slightly behind in aoe but still...

[dark token]

bleed more

[strange python]

wait is there another build

[dark token]

use AP build

[gaunt moat]

no shot

[viral aurora]

Any lariat crafters here!?

[subtle tundra]

i bet y'all barely fucking dot. how is sudden demise "bad" for any of you

[viral aurora]

or should we stick to toxified

[subtle tundra]

and then say assa dps is bad or something

holy moly

[cinder parrot]

can you elaborate

[hexed willow]

Arterial precision

[subtle tundra]

my only argument against sudden demise is how it fucking rips from reality my kingsbane target at the end and it doesnt get all dmg off

[simple ore]

doesn't higher sudden demise mean you're technically being less efficient with bleed damage though, like if things are dying as your dots are running out then you're getting more damage out of the bleed than if sudden demise procced because of the 150% damage threshold.

[strange python]

whats that

[hexed willow]

Enhances bleeds, bursts low health, and gives us blindside

[gaunt moat]

why is your kb so low

[dark token]

b leed boi

[subtle tundra]

now that's illegal

its around 5% for me

[simple ore]

5% seems about normal to me

that damage breakdown just says to me you're not sending KB enough

[dark token]

im sending it

i just dont focus on it in dance

[restive falcon]

66 RUNS LATER WE ARE FREE FROM DAWN 2 HERO TRACK DONE

[dusty loom]

SEND IT

[dark token]

b i g b l e e ds

[restive falcon]

[dark token]

this was r1 damage at 20 keystone level btw

[gaunt moat]

are you using SD just to apply bleeds?

[dark token]

mostly

i keep up spatter tho

[grim tangle]

r1 among all 8 m+ logs

[dark token]

more people logging m+ now

but yes true

not enough

[grim tangle]

only augs are logging

[cinder parrot]

does anyone have screenshot of the AP build

[soft shale]

pugs are so funny on this week

everyone blasting aoe then you get to boss and it takes forever

also honorable mention to rolling bursting

[balmy condor]

It’s on wowhead

[onyx sandal]

Doesn't AP lose a decent amount in ST?

[cinder parrot]

ah ok

ty

[onyx sandal]

Just thinking, seems like a decent sized loss for Tyrannical weeks

Vs the hybrid that is

[simple ore]

feels better on tyrannical though imo because it has more energy

[dark token]

its the top st build

for dungeons

[gaunt moat]

@dark token that's my damage breakdown with hybrid build
(but i switched back to arterial today)

[unborn sierra]

quick question about the single target opener... wouldn't we want to save SD and KB until our first opener Garrote/Rupture have dropped off? I thought we were using SD/KB to supplement the increased Garrote

[dusty phoenix]

nice I finally reached 200k simdps

[subtle tundra]

youre not dotting enough

what the fk

[terse orchid]

Ah but but it's still really strong

[subtle tundra]

even on hybrid build it wasnt like that

like, ct 3.5%?

wtf?

[gaunt moat]

Mobs die too quick this week

[subtle tundra]

thats not ok

yea but ct is fucking busted

[heavy forum]

Hey just started pve and wondered if any of our 3 specs is superior in raiding/m+

[onyx sandal]

I feel KB is useless on trash this week :/ lol

Except on mini bosses

[gaunt moat]

i heard we CT on 4+ targets?

[terse orchid]

All are good atm. Outlaw better for m+, sin for raid

[onyx sandal]

Feels bad when the mob dies and you have 4 seconds still on KB

[terse orchid]

The worst

[onyx sandal]

Tbh Sin is amazing in aoe as well, not just outlaw

[terse orchid]

Oh for sure, never felt better

[neat horizon]

musclebrah is playing this in keys. is this legit ?

[candid folio]

yo assa mains, any reason why echo/liquid is playing sub over assa in mythic fyrakk?

[neat horizon]

no demise no scent

[onyx sandal]

Timing on CDs maybe

Also sin can reduce cloak cool down as well

[terse orchid]

Probably better for dealing with those small adds

[onyx sandal]

*sub

[gaunt moat]

zercool doesn't play demise either

[hexed willow]

Or they’re more confident with sub than sin and it has a similar burst profile

[neat horizon]

but no scent of blood ?

[dusty loom]

Honestly the advantage the top 1% will get by swapping specs for certain fights is absolutely negligible for the other 99% of players.

[terse orchid]

Definitely an easier spec for prog if you're not a sin main

[gaunt moat]

nope

[onyx sandal]

Sin has strong burst every minute. Sub has it every 30 seconds

[grim tangle]

they'll switch back to sin once they need more boss damage in P3

[gaunt moat]

he plays basically ST with IC

[neat horizon]

IC ?

Oh carnage

[dusty phoenix]

and wire ofc

[neat horizon]

Hmm

[dusty phoenix]

wire is so busted

[dusty loom]

Wire is bae

[cinder parrot]

what do u guys go for council btw talent wise

[dusty loom]

I just https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFRVFRRFUVQmJBQCRAMVVRUVUYUEUoVBE

[cinder parrot]

yh i was thinking something like that

[neat horizon]

so its worth playing DTB st build this week in tyrannical?

[spice surge]

Not speccing scent is kinda griefing ngl

[neat horizon]

He's blasting in atal'dazar

making DH and BM in his group feel like nothing

[balmy condor]

do not question the brah

[dark token]

[balmy condor]

garretgarret

[lucid rain]

this builds looks pretty neat to experiment with but feelscraft says it's a t31 4p build

[hexed willow]

It’s beyond what us mortals understand

[lucid rain]

idk how true that is though 🤔

[neat horizon]

guy's gonna end with 260k in AD 22 with no aug

thats actually insane

[lucid rain]

do you know his ilvl?

[onyx sandal]

What is the comp? Just curious

[hexed willow]

PI on cd?

[neat horizon]

i mean same as the dh and the BM in his group

they're all 473

[onyx sandal]

Warrior buff/PI change that

[heavy forum]

Thank you.

[hexed willow]

Probably DH bm DH disc sin

[neat horizon]

Yeah thats the comp

he's getting PI

[runic basin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[half plover]

any info now to fix Hero rotation range bag?

[hexed willow]

The what?

[lucid rain]

dropping scent and demise is definitely more tyrannical focused

I think it's a pretty cool build

it's just not all-purpose

that said he's doing 260k with pi like you said so idk

[neat horizon]

I mean thats still pretty damn good

anything over dh is good in my book

[lucid rain]

oh yeah I just mean to say he's doing fine without certain aoe talents

[hexed willow]

I can understand dropping CT it’s dropping SD for me

But hey I’m not a top rogue pushing keys, I’ll stay in my box

[viral aurora]

this is the ST build with indiscriminate. it works well, but not without 4 set imo. sit on a target and blast

[spice surge]

You can do whatever you want, but not playing scent in aoe is horrible, that talent is almost worth using in singletarget

[lucid rain]

yeah if I had 4p I would immediately log over to my rogue and try it out

[neat horizon]

no scent of blood = less rupture spreading = more fun gameplay

i hate rupture spreading

[subtle tundra]

buddies. stop looking at what that guys is doing esp in early season
at the start of s1 he was trying random shit as well

[onyx sandal]

So, is Sin one of those few specs where for aoe there are like 3 valid amazing aoe builds and it is kinda just pick whichever? Lol

[subtle tundra]

[onyx sandal]

It's always nice to have multiple builds. I like that 🙂

[subtle tundra]

yes, now go to sub and take your "aoe" build

[grim tangle]

you can't pick all 3 of scent zoldyk and poison bomb, all 3 of them do aoe damage and 2 of them are actually worth picking in ST, I know which I think is the worst of the 3

[subtle tundra]

i hate you

[hexed willow]

They’re all pretty good

Just go with the build without SD/crackshot for outlaw for real pro gaming

[misty holly]

What if you get everyone to drop target dummies, and you spread ruptures to all to get scent buff in single target?

[neat horizon]

Lmao

[misty holly]

Did I just break the game

[vale mortar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[grim tangle]

"almost worth picking in ST" is a funny thing to say when the other 2 talents are in fact worth picking in ST

[vale mortar]

!branch

[hexed willow]

Or it’s stating that it’s an aoe talent that’s good enough to be considered for ST

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[hexed willow]

1:1:4-9

[grim tangle]

the other 2 are aoe too

[neat horizon]

What do you guys do to the images that spawn on Yazma ? is there some padding tech to do on them?

[lucid rain]

smolderon stonks increasing

[neat horizon]

or do i just mut envenom

[lucid rain]

move out the way, subtlety rogues

new tech just dropped

[spice surge]

Cant spawn dummies in m+ or raids unfortunately

[lucid rain]

aw

[neat horizon]

GIEF ANSWER

[misty holly]

okay, /duel the tanks then. they can take a bit of rupture damage.

[twin plume]

legs out of set right?

[lucid rain]

drop them with your party, equip crippling poison before boss

fok as you run back to boss

[neat horizon]

oh so no padding involved

[lucid rain]

I mean you could pad if you want but eh

[lone lantern]

i just fok and tempest and go to boss

[lucid rain]

^

[neat horizon]

ok ty

[lucid rain]

crippling poison big stonks for yazma

helps if your group doesn't have good on-demand root/snare

[neat horizon]

anyone uses this WA ?

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[gaunt moat]

I do

[neat horizon]

ok so where's the vanish indicator ?

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hexed willow]

It’s solid for practice on dummies

[neat horizon]

i know shiv/envenom light up when i need to press them during KB

but which one is for vanish ?

[gaunt moat]

The KB icon itself.
Also check out the custom options, it says it right there 🙂

[neat horizon]

Oh

Actually fucking insane weak aura

Ohj

[lucid rain]

it's when the KB icon has a glowing border when it's almost done

[neat horizon]

you're the author

:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Bro that WA is genius

[hexed willow]

Lmao

[wise swan]

!talents

[lucid rain]

unironically one of the best WAs I've ever used

[hexed willow]

Thought you were messing

[lucid rain]

fantastic work

[hexed willow]

Check the FAQ for the guides

[neat horizon]

I swear i was about to say "I salute the author for making such an amazing WA"

and there he is replying to me

[gaunt moat]

I'm humbled ❤️
I use mine in combination with LE's, i think they compliment eachother.

[proven jasper]

Notter is the goat everyone

💕

[hexed willow]

Yeah LE’s timeline is also great for practices

[proven jasper]

I use a ton of notter/LE stuff

Both legends

[hexed willow]

Delvin’s WA package is great too

[lavish isle]

should i craft waist 476 with toxifed armor patch and craft some neck instead of lariat ?

[gaunt moat]

Glad you like it, it was a lot of work hah
still improving it. I've updatd it today in the morning even.

[neat horizon]

The color at the end of it is like a grade of how i did ?

[hexed willow]

That’s what is so personally. Lots of great necks, especially since we don’t want to use lariat until we have sockets for it

[neat horizon]

Its always dark red

should i look for 1m+ for a good KB on ST ?

[gaunt moat]

Yes, orange is "legendary" color, means did good.
you can change the amount of stacks for the grades in the custom options btw!

i just gave default, so more than 20 stacks is currently best

[neat horizon]

i love how you turned it into a minigame, cant say enough words of how good that WA is

[gaunt moat]

🐰

[proven jasper]

Yeah makes it really fun hahah

Its dope

[gaunt moat]

I got suggestions from people, and they asked to show high score, so now ir ecord your high score so you can even review it later

[raven granite]

Do we switch to DTB for m+ this week?

[neat horizon]

Haha thats crazy

[slow wing]

Is our stats very close to eachother atm? Cant tell if my sims are trolling or not but im supposed to ench both rings with vers, then haste/mast gem my neck. Just swapped to sin

[slate crown]

Yes, all stats are very close

[gaunt moat]

@neat horizon
If we're talking about this already.
You know why i even started working on it?
Cause I really didn't like kingsbane and I thought it was complex.
So I thought if i do it, i'll understand it better

[vale mortar]

how can i find a wa for branch?

[lucid rain]

I know the following is needlessly complex and probably not even possible but

[slate crown]

My profile has one

[lucid rain]

is it possible to have the KB weakaura track records for different mobs?

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lucid rain]

because once you hit a huge kb on smolderon or gnarlroot, you're never seeing a new record KB ever again

[slate crown]

Damage events are attributed to unit GUIDs

and you can extract an NPC ID from a guid

so in theory yeah, the data exists to track values per NPC ID

[lucid rain]

but probably not worth the effort?

[slate crown]

Doesn't eman it's easy to track records

I'd leave that question to the rabbit

[spice spire]

LE getting ad revenue off her wago page I s2g

[slate crown]

As it would be an extension of his aura

[spice spire]

[slate crown]

Wago doesn't pay ad revenue

[lucid rain]

I ask because I really like the dopamine hit of "NEW RECORD!" as my gear improves

but then you never get to see it unless you fight damage amp bosses

[solid void]

I've been thinking about this as well, would be quite nice

I hit 30m or something on the last boss of blackrock hold

RIP

[solid void]

This is so true. It's a little rush every time

[strange python]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[tulip tendon]

Should I be following sims or aiming for more mastery?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iALMZLWvCXSahkQXkUsX13

[forest acorn]

follow sims

[hexed willow]

Sims are the deity for all specs besides Aug

[tulip tendon]

🙂

[gaunt moat]

So, keeeping records for every mob you hit doesn't make sense
top 3? maybe
but i settled for only the highest score.

But you're right, you want the dopamine.
Well, there's a solution in the custom options menu.
toggle on and off "reset high score"

[lucid rain]

sounds good, thanks

wait

instead of keeping track of all mobs

can I blacklist certain mobs?

🤔

[wild beacon]

I'd just exclude DMG amp ones yeah

[spice spire]

As a reminder; your stat priority isn’t static. Because you have branch, you definitely are going to want more of the other state other than mastery. Since you can line that up nicely for big Kbs

[gaunt moat]

Uh, i could technically do something. but like.. we're cooking a bit too much hah

[lucid rain]

oh for sure, I'm not asking you to do anything special

I was wondering if I could do it myself

as a fairly WA illiterate person

[hexed willow]

Which coincidently makes it easier to swap around to sub as needed

[gaunt moat]

oh no, doing something like that would require quite a bit of work

[spice spire]

I’d never swap to sub

[lucid rain]

gotcha

[spice spire]

(Because I’m a top)

[lucid rain]

well, that was a fun though experiment at least

beautiful WA, can't thank you enough ❤️

[rotund oak]

do we know when the splintered spark of dreams unlock from the vault vendor?

[wild beacon]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[kind forge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mighty rapids]

Do we use witherbark trinket at start of kingsbane or partway in?

[slate crown]

Use it with deathmark

[mighty rapids]

that's what i thought just confirming thx

[outer flame]

Is pip trinket worth going for or sandglass better overall?

[slate crown]

Trinket section of wowhead has commentary on each. Pips is stronger, but sandglass is easier to get

But it's also a gear question, and sims are up to date, so you can sim it as well to see

[neat horizon]

Gotta add that to one of your best decisions in life lol

because now everyone understands it

[gaunt moat]

I'm sure they would be fine without it hah
they understand it because of whispyr's guide and youtube videos more likely 😂

[dark token]

Pip is not stronger

[neat horizon]

i understood it but i needed a proper tracker for it

[slate crown]

I have purposefully gone into weakaura projects with the knowledge that practically speaking, the weakaura I'm about to create is not going to survive till publishing because it doesn't have a strong use case

[dark token]

Only on aoe (m+) not in raid

My 483 hourglass outsims a 489 pip

Only thing that beats it is a signet

[slate crown]

K, was just reading off wowhead, but if it sims better, that's the answer

Point is, both are good, go for whichever you can get, which presumably is still hourglass over pips because you can farm it

[slate crown]

But the reason I do this is to learn more about weakauras and strategies/structures that I didn't know about previously

and I learn a lot from doing so, and it's enjoyable, even if it doesn't produce a finished product in the end

[gaunt moat]

LE taught me most of what i know
and every new WA I see is written in a completly different way, i can't keep up

[hallow crown]

hey guys, wanted to know why i starve so much on energy on solo targets

all i do is keep garrote, and rupture + envenom and i stay at >30 energy

[sick eagle]

Thoughts on DTB vs AP for m+? I really can't decide

[royal lantern]

run #49 incomming

will i get the #50 soon

take your bets now

[dull cloak]

u gonna get it on 50

[slate crown]

Some of that is deliberate, some of that is learning new things and applying them. I am a habitual discarder -> rewriter of code, have done that forever, so I like to revisit old things and rewrite for performance/optimizations I didn't think of before, or just for general maintainability.

But, sometimes the situation demands something different in its own right

[gaunt moat]

I don't like changes, so stop it 😠

[rugged grail]

is it worth it ?

[royal lantern]

?

ofc?

double active is not a thing this patch lol

[hexed willow]

Double on use is bad so yeah

[rugged grail]

i guess i need sandglass then

[hexed willow]

We’re not sub and able to pull it off

[rugged grail]

or cataclysmic shit

[royal lantern]

tbf, you dont WANT too pull it off

double on use is always cursed

[thorny pond]

Tried double on use for some keys, not a huge fan

[finite echo]

Brother the world first rogues aren't even running branch

[rugged grail]

was playing ashes + branch cause had no choice

but now with this little egg

sounds good

[hexed willow]

Do you see them spamming m+ for it?

[royal lantern]

probs cus they have better shit too do then farming it

[proven jasper]

[finite echo]

They have it but are deliberately not using it

[hexed willow]

Cause I don’t see that as an efficient use of time when they’re doing heroic splits

[proven jasper]

?

[hexed willow]

Proof?

[thorny pond]

“Plz trade branch. Am method rouge”

[proven jasper]

yeah what bro

[finite echo]

I didn't clip the 20 seconds they talked about it yesterday

You win I fear

[hexed willow]

Just trust me bruh

[rugged grail]

any 4p proc WA to share guys ?

[gaunt moat]

where do you get the new paradigms for the new WAs though?
or do you come up with it yourself?

[forest notch]

Hey, brand new to assass rogue, I assume I should just start with Pins and wowhead

[gaunt moat]

what would it show?

[thorny pond]

Just regular envenom tracker, cast again before it expires

[slate crown]

Actually yes.

My pack has an icon to show when you damage with the 4pc, to give you a confirmation that "Yes, you got a proc". It's not a standalone aura, but I just added it because I could and I thought it would be nice to confirm when you get it

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

You can find it in the Resources group of my pack

[slate crown]

Or do you mean any auras to help you get 4pc procs?

[rugged grail]

im playing with pooling pratice by whispyr

maybe its enough

do u still care about sanguine blades btw when u have 4p ?

[slate crown]

If you want an aura to help you with getting procs, see
https://wago.io/lcM4ssa54

Progress bar with a tick for when you are in pandemic, and a tick to show you when you have enough globals to cast Rupture -> mut -> mut -> envenom again

[slate crown]

No

[sick eagle]

can you evasion rezan's eating thing?

[rugged grail]

ok

[spice spire]

No, you can vanish but he has to already be walking at you

[slate crown]

I don't really know, I don't like read blogs or watch videos or whatever. Once I get a baseline understanding from examples I need to do the thing i'm trying to do, I just sort of practice with it . I have software experience from working and that laid a pretty decent foundation to draw from but not everything comes from that.

[sage cargo]

Guys do we play caustic on smolderon?

HC

[slate crown]

Why would you play caustic?

(The answer is no, but I'm asking what lead to you asking the question)

[sage cargo]

I don't remember the fight. I was asking if there were adds spawning

Cheers!

[slate crown]

Ah ok

[distant fox]

how cursed is this?

[slate crown]

Apparently there's a way to shadowmeld other people's? I don't know or understand it, but a resto druid in my group shadowmelded when someone else got the chase, and it dropped the chase

[blazing pumice]

as long as someone shadowmelds, it stops the chase

[spice spire]

[blazing pumice]

after the cast has gone out

[spice spire]

TIL

[slate crown]

they said vanish works too but we use vanish for damage, so it was on cd

weird

[cerulean nest]

@slate crown hey what do the middle decimal points mean exactly eon the branch WA?

[blazing pumice]

vanish doesn't work

vanish only works on your own

[slate crown]

ah, ok

[slate crown]

The middle numbers ?

[bleak kiln]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cerulean nest]

yeah

[bleak kiln]

any good separate IC trackers?

[finite echo]

timeline for picking up orbs

[slate crown]

They're what you got in terms of pickup times, like the recommendation in guides and here is 1/1/7 on branch. Those numbers are what you actually got, so you can compare to the recommendation

[gaunt moat]

i made a small one, you might wanna try

https://wago.io/cGXp8lt1p

[distant fox]

jsut edit what you have got

[cerulean nest]

ah so you wanna immediately get left right and then the last on the 7th second

[deft vault]

pretty sure they dont have branch

said they didnt have the time to farm it

[bleak kiln]

thanks

[slate crown]

Well get left and right on second 1 and second 2 ( the numbers are "seconds since last pickup" not "seconds since trinket use")

[cerulean nest]

ah thats what I wondered

[slate crown]

Or, whichever 2

order doesn't matter which ones you get

[cerulean nest]

so youd want third to show up "5" technically

[grand trail]

guess im not getting any raid trinket any time soon 😄

[slate crown]

Realistically I just move diagonal right, then stand still, and wait for the bloop sound, thenstrafe left, stand still, wait for the bloop, then just plant my feet and the third will make it to you around 6-7 seconds

Like my eyes never even look for them

[hardy crypt]

on single target, do i lose out on a lot of damage if i macro my ashes of the embersoul trinket with kingsbane?

[slate crown]

You just do that movement pattern and you'll get them

[hardy crypt]

whispyr said something about the optimal time being when there's 11 seconds left of the dot

but i'm running out of buttons for my cooldowns 💀

[slate crown]

Well, no, the recommendation is 1/1/7,so you want the numbers on the WA to read 1/1/7

[gaunt moat]

for me acclerating sandglass sims higher by 500 than cataclysmic signet

[slate crown]

(But ultimately 1/1/4 -> 1/1/8 or whatever are very very close anyways, you're fine if you're not right on target, as long as you have 2 stacks early, and 3 stacks covering the end of KB, you're fine)

[cerulean nest]

gotcha gotcha ty

in practice where in the opener is that last pickup

like right before second shiv kinda?

[slate crown]

It would be when shadow dance ends

[hexed willow]

2 gcds before theoretically

[slate crown]

ish

[cerulean nest]

sweet

[slate crown]

that's what i've been targetting, but keep in mind

[hexed willow]

10s into KB

[slate crown]

That little buddy will loyally drift to you

[hexed willow]

That’s the 4s one at least

[slate crown]

so as long as you plant your feet or stay in a small area

it'll come to you without you having to like, plan on when you get it

[cerulean nest]

right yeah

i'll play with it

[velvet ridge]

Bosses got a lotta movement though, like gal fall

[raven egret]

Finally, I made it, I got one of the bastard

[slate crown]

Sure

grats

[deep lily]

can you avoid soulrend on yazma with vanish?

[sick eagle]

I always vanish just for aoe bleeds, I think I do it before it goes out so I reckon no

[gritty root]

which build have people been mostly playing in keys? I've been playing the hybrid from wowhead, does anything change rotation wise for arterial shock? ie. do I shiv more outside kb?

[slate crown]

No rotation change, you just get blindside procs. I'm playing shock exclusively atm

[real stirrup]

go arterial

[gritty root]

roger that o7

[burnt venture]

I’ve messed around with Hybrid/Shock/Utilitarian

Can’t find much diff

Utilitarian I’m energy starved. But same relative dps as other builds.

No tea feelsbadman

But still good dam

[strange python]

so basically for keys sin is just

[royal valve]

does anyone know if sudden demise is working properly?

[strange python]

garrote snd garrote fok rupture fok rupture fok ct then into st

thats what im gathering so far

seems to be working fine

[royal valve]

cuz i have bleeds for about 500k+ and the mob goes to 300k and just dies from random party damage

like the execute part isnt even triggering most of the time

[slow wing]

Do we combine branch with deathmark on cast, or do we precast branch

[royal lantern]

with dm

[velvet ridge]

I ain't snd second cast personally, depending on the dungeon I rip 3 garrotes off, and waste combo points

[slow wing]

So macroing it together isnt a loss right

[strange python]

cool makes sense ty

[velvet ridge]

And technically, CT after you dm kb

You wait too long, the mob gonna die and not pop your kb

[elfin cove]

I have crafted toxic thorn footwraps, what should be my next craft?

[hexed willow]

Toxic patch

[elfin cove]

on what pieceP

?

[soft shale]

yes that is a mechanic on the re zan fight

[hexed willow]

Bracer typically but can also do belt if you have a strong (socket, tertiaries etc) bracer

[soft shale]

he keeps track of all players for the code on follow

if one disappears with melt it breaks

[signal wren]

Method guides, wowhead, and icyveins all seem to have the incorrect opener for assa i just realized

Kind of unfortunate

[bleak kiln]

Do you macro KB into your dance or are there situations where you wanna hold one or the other?

[arctic current]

Whats wrong with wowhead opener?

[hexed willow]

Howso

[random atlas]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

[hexed willow]

I’m very intrigued

[fleet pagoda]

are the raid bosses with damage amps able to parry while in their vulnerable state?

[soft shale]

no they are casting

[fleet pagoda]

does that apply to gnarlroot too? i don't remember if he was techinically in a cast during that

[soft shale]

he is casting too

[burnt venture]

Man, nothing like giving everyone blue balls

[fleet pagoda]

thank you

[signal wren]

Especially the method ine

It says garrote slice mutilate rupture mutilate envenom

[hexed willow]

Go on…

[signal wren]

Then deathmark

[hot oriole]

yea

[signal wren]

When none of the top parsing rogues are doing that

[hexed willow]

Mhmm the setup

[hot oriole]

sounds about right

[signal wren]

Its not

[hot oriole]

i mean

[hexed willow]

Because they’re doing the accelerated?

[hot oriole]

i watch imexile

do the same thing

[hexed willow]

You can drop rupture

[signal wren]

Its garotte, ambush, rupture, mutilate x2 slice mutilate x2 envenom then deathmark part

[hexed willow]

And you can occasionally drop envenom but its still a loss

[hexed willow]

You’re saying drop snd

[signal wren]

At least according to all the top parsing rogues on a majority of fights

[hexed willow]

Just want to confirm that you believe we don’t need snd

[balmy condor]

seem to have the incorrect opener for assa i just realized
Kind of unfortunate

[hot oriole]

^

[signal wren]

You still slice

Just not off rip

[signal wren]

Nah wowhead one is right

[fleet pagoda]

two mutilates to cast snd

[signal wren]

Method guides seems off

[signal wren]

I dont think the 2 mutilates are for slice only tho but that’s literally what all top rogues are doing

Im just in here to ask why

[velvet ridge]

2 muti seems cap for slice

[spice spire]

Dog are you looking at casts

If so look at the time table

If they’re on the same global

[weak crescent]

oof

[spice spire]

It’s just one cast

[signal wren]

Is not theyre on different globals for this guy so its showing like 8 mutilates technically

But its only 4 (i think)

[hot oriole]

link the log

[velvet ridge]

Linkin logs

[balmy condor]

hyper optimize the 2 gcds before your cooldowns

INSANE dps

[signal wren]

Eh im js the method guides one nobody is doing

[hot oriole]

hes RANK 1!!!

[spice spire]

Top Igara rogue just had one

[signal wren]

Blindside

[spice spire]

After the snd

Yeah

[signal wren]

Yea method guides says snd 2nd global

[normal mist]

That's the normal opener tho

[signal wren]

Fried

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m saying that

[velvet ridge]

He's countering your point of 2x muti before slice

[spice spire]

You can’t come in and say three guides are wrong when it’s just one

[balmy condor]

gar snd mut is 200 dps worse

you'll fucking live

lmao

[spice spire]

I won’t

Sorry

[normal mist]

BuT tHe PaRsEs

[hexed willow]

Hey that’s the difference between my 3800 and 3801 parse

[balmy condor]

oh no I'm losing 5 seconds of snapshotted rupture

fuck me

wipe go again

[signal wren]

I mean

Yes

[balmy condor]

nerf assa

get these apes out of the channel

[normal mist]

It will be nerfed

[balmy condor]

holy

[royal lantern]

my aoe opener is like

garrote 2-3 times, rupture once->random bullshit go

[hot oriole]

facts

lmaoo

[normal mist]

LOOOOL SAME

[hexed willow]

No snd 4th gcd?

For shame!

[normal mist]

No need, snd B4 pack dies

[royal lantern]

bruh its a dungeon, you have snd running the entire time lol

[signal wren]

Corrected myself on wowhead

But methods def wrong

200 dps or not i just thought it was interesting that it was wrong

[grim tangle]

yeah the method guide writer is a bozo, I only trust wowhead.

[balmy condor]

fotm chasers created covid so they don't have to shower or touch grass, can't prove otherwise

[hexed willow]

Tbf you said opener!

My first opener I let the DH destroy packs

Because my targets won’t survive the 2nd tick of KB

[velvet ridge]

True and brave

[normal mist]

Or the fotm bm

[fleet pagoda]

🎣

[fair ingot]

xD I was fighting smolderon and checked the log from a rogue with a 2 parse

i think this is a first

[hexed willow]

Hey I like to give them their chance. Bis raid leading spec

[slate crown]

?

[fair ingot]

11 snd casts and still less uptime than me with 1 cast xDD

[hexed willow]

It’s a bone they deserve

[slate crown]

OH

[royal lantern]

fotm chaser grinding seeds for 20hours a day for the rune they totally need too do any dps, and then dont use the most important renown reward

[slate crown]

Did they skip CTTC talent?

[fair ingot]

Nope

[hexed willow]

I love my rune though

The animation is satisfying

[royal lantern]

its the same animation since always lol

[fair ingot]

he also had 31 finishers less than me in this fight. I have no clue what buttons he was pressing

[normal mist]

My RL is a destro warlock. Works pretty well

[timber meadow]

does brand work with dot ticks?

[balmy condor]

I fixed some edge cases in sims yesterday to prevent double garrote and shit, sims are now 70 dps higher

[spice spire]

Big

[balmy condor]

just thought people should know

[royal lantern]

BIG

[balmy condor]

since we're on the topic

[normal mist]

Thanks whispyr

[balmy condor]

of giga minmaxing

every gcd

[normal mist]

We can go even further

Summon critters, get snd B4 pull

[gaunt moat]

lol yeah.
and It's the worse when they BL into trash packs.
I'm just like "you got this 🥲 👍🏻 " while everything gets deleted in 5 seconds.

[signal wren]

Guys how do i 100 parse

[normal mist]

Press your keys harder

Like, smack the keyboard

[signal wren]

How

[normal mist]

On a real note, you gotta do more dps than 99% of the rogue's pretty much

[balmy condor]

you mean to tell me you don't hearth out after every boss, generate cp on the valdrakken dummies, and get summoned back to raid for the next boss with snd rolling? Are you even playing sim optimally man fuck this guide writer not putting this ginormous technology into the guide super disappointing theorycrafting community

[hexed willow]

So the person telling me double garrote in ST for exactly 6 combo points was wrong

[signal wren]

I got a 99 yesterday then it got smoked down to a 96 because somehow mfs are doing 260k ??

[balmy condor]

huge surprise

[signal wren]

I dont get it tbh

[normal mist]

((to be fair I played around some jars in SoD))

[spice spire]

i find mfs like u really interesting bro. i ain't gon lie to you rogue is kinda like a personal thing to me you get what i'm saying. it's just like a personal vibe u feel me. what's really crazy is you wouldn't even raid this if u ain't see me loot tier u get what i'm saying. i don't even think u really want it like that tbh bro. so go ahead find yourself something to play bro go open your spellbook bro this not azeroth this the internet u get what i'm saying. this raid insane though shit

[gaunt moat]

what are you saying

[normal mist]

I imagined someone smoking weed while saying that

[normal mist]

ILVL and item optimization might be a factor

[quick idol]

what's the optimal time left on KB to collect the last orb of the trinket please 🙂

[hexed willow]

4-9s

[normal mist]

1 - 1 - 4 to 9 (?)

[hexed willow]

Or let it come to you

[signal wren]

Im 471, 4 set, 480 witherbarks too

[hexed willow]

It’s a hard trinket to misuse tbh

[spice spire]

dragonflight.witherbarks_branch_timing=1/1/7

[signal wren]

I think im just atrocious

[spice spire]

Have fun playing with those numbers

[normal mist]

Maybe their kbs were luckier than yours @signal wren

[signal wren]

Perhap

I do no where near 230-260k tho

[quick idol]

best to macro it on DM or KB tho ?

[signal wren]

My max is like 210

[normal mist]

Kill timers might also be part of it

And getting PI

[signal wren]

Wym

I get PI (usually not at the right times but i get it)

[spice spire]

Technically it’s not best to macro it to anything

[quick idol]

:bonk:

[fallen raven]

imagine killing gnarlroot immediately after your 2m cds run out during the damage amp

vs. going til like 3m30 or something

[normal mist]

I asked my priest to pi me after 5/6 seconds in combat

It works great

[signal wren]

Ye i say 4-6 then i get it like instantly so

I get sad

[normal mist]

I usually have a sound cue when he forgets to pi me

I start yelling in discord "bRRRRRRRR"

[signal wren]

True

So what youre saying is i need to bank everything on the parse, fuck my team, and against all odds parse

[normal mist]

Well yes

[signal wren]

I think i can do that

I got aotc last week so im just a parse fiend now

[normal mist]

You mean you got aotc week 1 like a chad

[signal wren]

Yes

[normal mist]

I'll be a Chad as well, in like 4 to 6 weeks

I just raid with my guild, a bad HC curve guild xD

But hey we have fun and I like those guys

[signal wren]

Im in a slowly developing guild that wants to eventually prog mythic

But we dont got a lot of chads yet

[normal mist]

So you can understand my situation

[signal wren]

Yep

[normal mist]

I've been raiding with them since..... Late legion

I've always been top1 DPS as an assa rogue

Even when assa wasn't supposed to be top1

That doesn't say a lot about me, but them

[signal wren]

Hard to let go of the guys you like to play with because youre leaving them in the dust on the meeters which is why its prob best to just raid with a second guild for mythic late in the season

[normal mist]

For a while I haven't really enjoyed parsing in HC, I just want to get bosses down and I'll do every mechanic I can in order to ensure the bosses die

[signal wren]

But tbh mythic prog with a bunch of try hards you dont know kinda blows id assume

[rotund wharf]

To M+ Tyrannical week do u use typical aoe build or ST?

[normal mist]

But in normal it's another story, I looooove parsing normal, just zugzug fiesta

[signal wren]

Mix, i like going aoe shiv, and garrote

As well as sudden demise

[strange python]

Was someone working on a Branch weakaura a few days ago?

[normal mist]

Wait

[strange python]

uh

[normal mist]

There's two us here

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-black-man-staring-black-men-staring-black-men-men-staring-gif-25096788

[strange python]

Youre probably dif server tho

[normal mist]

I was here first!

😛

Dif server?

[strange python]

different

[normal mist]

Yeah, I just didn't understand what you meant by that

[strange python]

i dont think we are both on the same server as the two Royals

[normal mist]

For sure

In game I'm Royalflüx

Royal for the friends

[strange python]

in game its the same as my name in here

[signal wren]

LOL

[strange python]

This was inevitable

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/bros-bro-high-five-dillon-duke-gif-12955092

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/did-we-just-become-best-friends-did-we-just-become-best-friends-meme-step-brothers-best-friends-besties-best-friend-gif-23405805

[normal mist]

It's a royal meeting

[strange python]

fuck yeah

Sin meta royal gang

[normal mist]

This went so offtopic

[strange python]

quite

[spice spire]

You get used to it

[cerulean nest]

I paid for a branch and im fine admitting that

[normal mist]

No shame in that

[spice spire]

Batman couldn’t beat that one outta me tho

[strange python]

thats better than my farming for 2 weeks and doing EB 18 times

[normal mist]

I did 25 falls B4 my first dagger... A champion level dagger

[cerulean nest]

I still dont have one yet

coming up on 20 falls

[normal mist]

I mainly pug falls, and the amount of people doing falls for the first time in 15/16/17 is too big. Literally no idea what they are doing there

[strange python]

pugs are a huge gamble so far

[cerulean nest]

I dont do below 17

but yeah still a lot of bad

[normal mist]

And instead of wasting my time on 17s I won't finish, I rather do stuff from 9 to 13

Where I can mostly hard carry

[strange python]

its sad out here in the front lines some times

[normal mist]

But I did an in time 19 falls today tho, no luck

[strange python]

Grats, but sad

[normal mist]

Leather boots dropped

[strange python]

😦

[normal mist]

While I have max crafted ones

[strange python]

every missed drop is another chance for it to drop in vault at mythic level

thats at least what i tell myself

[normal mist]

Same! Rn I'm 467, 4 piece (3 hero, 1 champion)

Hoping for either branch or dagger from vault next week

[strange python]

im 467 for M+, 470 for raid.

i have 1 nick of time

[forest notch]

Is there a WA to track if you have improved garrote up?

[normal mist]

I have two, a champion and a veteran one

[strange python]

!wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[forest notch]

ty

[strange python]

oh come on now bot

[normal mist]

You literally had to cry

For the bot to reply

Wa wa

[strange python]

true

[normal mist]

I'm mostly seen on the TRANSMOG channel, so if you ever wanna hangout with your other brother royal, I'll probably be there

[strange python]

What's a branch go for?

Dope 🙂 glad to meet more royals

[olive wagon]

Pff i just can't decide what spec i enjoy more man. it's a real struggle.

[normal mist]

(was talking about myself actually)

[obsidian cedar]

Which ST and Mythic build yall are using the one on the pin msg or on icy veins/wowhead?

[normal mist]

Best kind of problem

[strange python]

lol

[normal mist]

Mostly wowhead information for me

Whispyr does a good job there

Not like the method writer tho

[strange python]

Whispyr is our saving grace for this spec

[normal mist]

🫡

[olive wagon]

no i don't like it 😛 because i want to focus on one. I want the best but in all area's of the game =p M+, PVP and Raid

[obsidian cedar]

lol just new to rogue and wanted to know which spec was best i heard assa so now to narrow it down lol

[normal mist]

Right now

[olive wagon]

and then again assassination has too many choices. I just want 1 choice like Raiding build, Mythic build.. Not chosing between Bone spike, dance , ER.

I'm a dumb and simple man 😛

[normal mist]

It's really hard to say "x is better"

[hexed willow]

None of them play different though

[wise gull]

It's not a big deal to craft a belt w/ armor patch as my second piece instead of wrist, right? At least for the time being

[strange python]

run raid for raid (switch to spatter if there's spatter). Run arterial for m+ (from wowhead guide).

done

[normal mist]

All 3 specs seem to be loved by their players, all of them are performing well on all game areas...

[strange python]

In general, its a good day to be a rogue

[signal ore]

hey guys in aoe, do i spam crimson tempest if all things are up or do i jsut let it run the max time?

[strange python]

You definitely dont wanna spam CT, which has no instant damage anymore

[signal ore]

so garrot bleed on everything then CT and envenom mutilate to keep my shit up?

[strange python]

it's a bit more nuanced than that.

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#multi-target

[olive wagon]

thanks. will go with aterial.. on WOwhead it has: M+ Utilitarian, Hybrid and Arterial Shock.. didnt know which one to pick

[signal ore]

for sure, i was just a little confused about the CT usage

[hexed willow]

It’s a dot that you want to put up once you have energy in

[olive wagon]

but where you see the big difference in dps on assassination from outlaws in the meters.. is the tier set playing big part in it ? because with old tier set t doesnt feel like it

[dark token]

Sim them all

Pick highest dps

[olive wagon]

sorry if my english is a bit though sometimes =p

[dark token]

That's what I did

[lavish brook]

Why do we Shiv before Kingsbane, and not twice during Kinngsbane?

[strange trail]

thats what i just did and it told me the hybrid 5tar was top thats listed on bloodmallet

[ocean ginkgo]

probably should read kingsbane ^ @lavish brook

[lavish brook]

Each time you apply a lethal poison, kingsbane dmg is increased 20%

[ocean ginkgo]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=192759/kingsbane

[lavish brook]

Wouldnt KB -> Shiv -> Shiv be a 60% increase while shiv -> kb -> shiv is 40%?

I know theres a CD, but with the CD it fits

[midnight atlas]

shiv increases nature dmg, kingsbane deals initial nature dmg instantly and builds up

[ocean ginkgo]

bro

xd

shiv debuff doesn't stack with itself

[lavish brook]

ty

[ocean ginkgo]

Releases lethal poison within The Kingslayers and injects it into your target, dealing (81% + 81%) Nature damage instantly and an additional (52.92% of Attack power) Nature damage over 14 sec.

Each time you apply a Lethal Poison to a target affected by Kingsbane, Kingsbane damage increases by 15%.

there, kingsbane description

[lavish brook]

so my thinking would be to get as many lethal poison injects in the KB window

sorry for asking in our discord to talk about our abilities

[mighty elm]

Youre forgiven?

[lavish brook]

Forsaken

[cerulean nest]

offered 300k and ther were no questions

[dull cloak]

only time I saw branch 2 dropped but both couldn't trade to me.

[forest notch]

Is it normal to feel energy starved in Assass raid spec?

basically after I get my kingsbane falls off following the wowhead opener

I feel energy starved

just curious if thats expected or if im messing up

[deft vault]

its expected somewhat

[forest notch]

Day 1 though so im also likely making a bunch of mistakes too

Sims have me at 84k DPS with my boosted gear and im sustaining like 40-50k

[real stirrup]

which build?

[forest notch]

The only raid one on wowhead

[midnight atlas]

if you spam abilities you're going to starve fast, there's info in the wowhead guide about pooling energy

[forest notch]

I think it says dance?

[deft vault]

then yeah theres definetly mistake happening

[forest notch]

oh I saw a weak aura above for practicing this

[deft vault]

i can log review if you want just send some logs my way

[real stirrup]

if it's ST then might be doing rotation a bit wrong

[forest notch]

ty, I will practice a bit more first so I can hopefully correct some obvious mistakes as I literally boostd and started to learn like 30 mins ago lol

Going to try norm raid lol

[midnight atlas]

basically do the opener and then all you have to do is mantain dots and envenom, but if you spam mut/ambush + envenoms you are gonna starve, best would be to learn to pool correctly and only envenom before the envenom buff drops.

that untill the next cooldowns come back online

where you dont pool

[forest notch]

kk

[terse island]

If you've never played rogue before just know that cloak of shadows is OP as heck and you better have that bad boy keybound.

[eternal heath]

Looking into an alt to work on sometime soon. Anyone know how Arms is feeling atm?

[forest notch]

ya I know most of the rogues defensives etc, just not how they do dmg lol

but ya its bound

[midnight atlas]

takes a while to understand, dmg rotations are getting more and more complex

[royal lantern]

FALL RUN #50 INCOMMING

WILL IT HAPPEN OR NOT

[eternal heath]

I BELIEVE

[forest notch]

so essentially I should be envenoming every 4-6 seconds then

[gusty mirage]

@hazy geyser you asked about galakronds fall

[forest notch]

depending on the application

[bleak kiln]

what's the drop chance of nick of time even

i'm on run #15 coming up, but i guess i have long nights ahead of me

[obsidian cedar]

Man i suck at assa

[hazy geyser]

[obsidian cedar]

im getting wrecked by classes 8-10 ilvl under me lol

[low sparrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[deft vault]

depending on key level its normal

on lower keys assas is iffy cuz by the time you get set up everything is dead

[fickle siren]

Stupid question but im very new to assa. You dont have to target swap to apply garrote and rupture on enemies from stealth thanks to the smarz targeting? I mean can we press garrote two times on the same target and it'll spread automatically?

[obsidian cedar]

I just did a 12 2 455 or less did over 215k over all i did 164k

[deft vault]

yes but at high target count swapping to someone without dots will be better

[fickle siren]

That sounds fantastic

[midnight atlas]

yeah, before it drops. with 4set you will want to do that anyway because of the effect. its easy to track it if you use weakauras, or even blizz ui with their personal resource display if you rock that.

[undone flame]

shoude i just macro witherbark branch and deathmark?

[cunning basin]

Yes

[undone flame]

okay ty ^^

[obsidian cedar]

I ran 10 x EB today no tricknet

trink

[midnight narwhal]

!weapon

[royal lantern]

i lost my sanity somwhere around 41

[obsidian cedar]

lol

[terse island]

So just to clarify, say there's 6 enemies and you garrote the same guy twice, only 5 will have garrote?

[forest notch]

lol been doing all these tests without weapon poisons LOL