assassination

[quaint flare]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

i dunno why everyone sucks so bad in that place

[quaint flare]

fall seems free this week, havent dont a rise yet

[slim hamlet]

I need to go back to everbloom prison

Rise is infinitely easier this week than last

[strange python]

is there a /wa or anything to mark the proper chromie

err whatever her name is

without the hat

[slim hamlet]

no gotta use eyes on that one

[royal lantern]

everbloom 3rd boss

[surreal citrus]

ppl are bad at last boss in rise

[royal lantern]

all melee can stack on the tank

and sidestep when breath is comming

you dont put the aoe shit all over the place that way

but NOOOOOO.....

[surreal citrus]

our tank forgot to put dstance on last night and depleted the key for it

[gusty mirage]

People are also bad on the first boss too dw

Heard you like frontals baited to the middle pillar

[surreal citrus]

Tyr can eat my ass but only because that fight is boring as shit

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

heared you like healers not dispelling and people not going into the soak

like, srsly

[slim hamlet]

on tyran with pugs that still doesn't know how to look at boss timer

[gusty mirage]

I haven’t had a healer dispel me in one pug this season

[royal lantern]

people playing as if thats new mechanics nobody ever saw before

[slim hamlet]

Looking at boss timer makes that fight easy af

[gusty mirage]

In either Dawn wing

[royal lantern]

fking soak circles, a new concept

[gusty mirage]

It’s pretty great

[slim hamlet]

wtf is that

[strange python]

dude name the guy avih though

[slim hamlet]

oh

the 1.8 mil tech?

[strange python]

otherwise i can't follow

[oak tangle]

ye

not a masterpiece as it's not relevant

but i was trying to give shadow priests a reason to be in raid team

[slate crown]

For Rise last boss how have you been using CD, do you full send boss or use KB on adds p1?

[steel spire]

found avih in the wild

[royal lantern]

did it in +19 yesterday

pulled boss, she does the fire aoe and the fotm disc dies

not even 5sec into the fight

fotm players

always the best

[delicate trench]

Is more damage to build with mutilate or fan of knives in packs when you have kb on a mob ?

[strange python]

[slow wadi]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[real stirrup]

if more than 3+ targets FoK - though I usually add a mutilate in every line with FoK for combo points - probably wrong but I feel like FoK x2 can be bland

[neat plank]

yeah I don't like foking

[gleaming geyser]

I prefer the 3rd boss to the last boss. Genes-ass takes forever

[neat plank]

well it's definitely more interesting :p

now that I'm ass I actually enjoy tyr weeks. last season as sub my ST damage was poop

[spice spire]

[spice surge]

Sub ST this season is through the roof though, noticeably higher than assa

[subtle kiln]

shhhhh that’s secret tech

[surreal citrus]

with 4set right? or just baseline

[spice surge]

Since sub plays close to full ST talents even in keys (since theres almost no aoe talents)

[subtle kiln]

need zero to break the assa meta with sub

[fickle siren]

on wlogs I see a lot of rogues starting with garrote then snd. shouldnt we apply rupture first and then snd?

[spice surge]

You should yes

Garrote in nightstalker is worth more

[fickle siren]

thanks, i thought im doing something wrong

[north pond]

if a item has a socket on it and u change to tier it keeps it obviously right?

[weak sierra]

yes

[subtle kiln]

no

depends on ilvl

[weak sierra]

i did it last night

helm with socket turned into tier with socket

[green apex]

Some items always come with teritiaries and those are lost on tierifiication.

[subtle kiln]

never mind. misread it as worth catalyzing it

it keeps whatever extras it has when you change it. stats match tier stats

[weak sierra]

i found a socket isnt quite worth an item track upgrade.
Normal + socket is about 1k dps lower than regular tier. That was for a helm anyways

than heroic tier*

champion -> hero

[subtle kiln]

i’ve got a 463 helm with a socket. not going to convert that

[pseudo rivet]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[strange python]

gg player

[glacial shuttle]

what is this about

[strange python]

the daggie waggie

[glacial shuttle]

...?

[steel spire]

the sick rp dagger

[glacial shuttle]

wot

[glacial shuttle]

oh I have one of those

wait I thought the effects were dps increases

[flint tusk]

[strange python]

i mean mv speed could be?

[flint tusk]

you one of them acro boys?

xD

[steel spire]

another cheat death is kinda pog

[glacial shuttle]

I thought it was one of those things where you had to use it against an enemy in order to gain any benefit from it and basically it'd be like.. idk 1% damage or some shit

[strange python]

ngl i run acro as sub and forgoe thistle tea

I think sub gets other benefits from it though? not sure

saw something in a video a while back, not sure if fake news or not

[thorn fjord]

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Going back the convo yesterday lol

[strange python]

imagine not just stopping at KFC the day before and telling people it's turkey

[copper jackal]

How do i get neck that is pinned and is it still possible to get it?

[drowsy hollow]

Nah, Scariizard was quite proud how it wasn't going to be a direct dps increase weapon.

[icy cliff]

what talents u run tyr week

[strange python]

i just run arterial m+ build

[drowsy hollow]

I do feel slightly bad for outlaw rogues not having any really cool weapons this tier.

[icy cliff]

do u do any damage on bosses

[strange python]

of course

in fact, we just did one together, me and youngblood - our boss dmg was literally the same. he ran hybrid build.

He had more overall (by like 20k) but he probably knows the dungeon a lot better than me. This is my first season with DOTI

[glacial shuttle]

Welp. I've been trolling my group then LMAO

[drowsy hollow]

I mean it's still a dagger on one of two specs that can use it so not like it was a wasted drop

[spice surge]

Having it not be a dps increase would be absolutely fine

The problem is that nick of time drops from a dungeon

[glacial shuttle]

true 😦

My RL is still demanding that we refer to the fucking wowhead BIS list when we roll for shit too. it's infuriating cause there's basically ONE item other than tier that we actually want from raid.

*assuming we get everything on that list

[quaint dragon]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[timber meadow]

if its between mantaining envenom chain and refreshing rupture

rupture takes prio?

the only time my envenoms fall off honestyly are when i fuck up and forget to refresh rupture before its too late it feels like

[strange python]

yes

[timber meadow]

do you guys typically just like plan ahead? or is it sometimes just inevitable... for example, if during a rupture duration, i dont really have a chance to stack envenoms and there issn't a great time to refresh rup

but thats rare, usually prob could find a spot if i was smarter

[strange python]

My rupture lights up when it hits the pandemic/refresh window. I feel like I have a lot of time, personally (discounting mechanical shit getting in the way) to refresh rupture, and not worry about that.

[gusty sleet]

did my first mythic dungeon as rouge last night, was super fun!

[near valley]

Gratz

[glacial shuttle]

welcome

[gaunt moat]

@royal lantern I'm starting o think witherbark branch kinda sucks.
It's too much hassle to pick up to orbs that are so difficult to see.

[timber meadow]

ye but im talkin bout it hits pandemic when you have 0 cp's for example, so you build and then rupture (but also when it hit pandemic your envenm was at 2s)

[gaunt moat]

maybe ashes just better.

[strange python]

You could honestly be just thinking about it too much.

[timber meadow]

so you spend on that rupture and boom envenom chain ended

[crisp grotto]

That is a ban offense here

[violet sonnet]

im starting to think Arterial isnt the go to

[strange python]

Get a tracker, use your rotation like normal. Macro branch in with DM...and when you cast DM, take like 3 steps left or right - and lemme know how it works.

[gaunt moat]

are you using it?

[crisp grotto]

Yeah I’ve had it since last week , I really enjoy it. I just have it macro to Dm and as soon as I pop it I immediately grab two orbs and let the third naturally come to me while doing my rotation. Sometimes it’s situational of course if you’re going to get fucked by a mechanic just let all 3 come to you

[strange python]

so what, no biggie if that happens

i mean you're gonna f some of them up, it is what it is

[warm parcel]

Not even a cooked take. Branchs sucks

[quaint dragon]

What should I craft?

[warm parcel]

Id soul over branch 90 times out of 100

[crisp grotto]

Boots

[steel spire]

hybrid just feels good this week, maybe its cope

[crisp grotto]

soul is not based

[dusty phoenix]

branch is so weird man

why cant it just give stats

[glacial shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-david-rose-david-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20850879

[dusty phoenix]

why do i have to play dh minigame

[crisp grotto]

it does if you drink the water

[dusty phoenix]

to collect some souls

[bleak ivy]

Repent

[crisp grotto]

[dusty phoenix]

if I wanted to run around collecting souls I'd roll dh

[strange python]

lol why did i call you youngblood earlier

[steel spire]

fuck it bring back draught of souls

[glacial shuttle]

bring back soul cap

[bleak ivy]

hoodlum

[steel spire]

new boot goofin

[strange python]

I like when two passive trinkets are bis (although I guess this requires a more flat damage profile [at least in theory])

[steel spire]

got them thorny shits nahm sayin

[lime crypt]

i did not expect id ever say it, but here iam

[warm parcel]

Dno if any of yall member engine from legion

[strange python]

[warm parcel]

Same shit

[lime crypt]

[warm parcel]

Sims good sucks to use

[lime crypt]

is dslice good for simming on assa?

[distant fox]

Do you know what is nice?
Getting every PI in dungeons.
Sometimes i got it as feral bit i also xrushed the meters but now im pretty much guaranteed hehehehe

[steel spire]

idk but robot says hybrid better for me

[crisp grotto]

well the thing is that there’s theoretically no contest for the trinket competition on witherbark, sure we can say embersoul is arguable but it’s basically an on demand neltharion trinket vs on demand 90% mastery during your highest damaging bleed and poison

[sharp trellis]

Does anyone have a spec for M+ boss oriented ?

[distant fox]

Y

[strange python]

TO me, hybrid vs arterial - just comes down to "do i want blindside" (which i do)

[steel spire]

deadass

[strange python]

just feels so bad without it

[distant fox]

Aterial in low keys or zyrannical.
So strong oder stuff that wont survive big kingsbane anyways

[warm parcel]

Theoretical ye. Parsing ye

[quaint hull]

Thorncaller claw and nick of time are pretty cool.

[strange python]

it'd be funny to run with two arterial rogues - who's sudden demise is gonna win

[warm parcel]

Proging smold or some other hard boss no

[distant fox]

Lol

[coral musk]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[steel spire]

im so glad it didnt turn out like sylv dagger on release where it showed for the first roguie to proc it

[distant fox]

Still want it for tmog

[marble hemlock]

lmao

[warm parcel]

Good times

[strange python]

sylv daggie looks good on belf female and human imo

[subtle tundra]

I'd branch over soul 90 out of 100 times

Fun trinket

(I love taking balls)

[strange python]

soul stat is haste right?

[spice spire]

HuH

[marble hemlock]

(if you can find them)

[warm parcel]

Soul gives agi

Reduces haste

[marble hemlock]

but ye

[neat plank]

i'm never even aware of them, too busy trying not to screw up rotation

[shrewd night]

Sweet irony of Quake piping up

[marble hemlock]

think in prog

id definitely prefer soul as well

[spice spire]

??

Buddy you sass me again and I’m gonna pipe you DOWN

[subtle tundra]

I don't need to see the balls, I can sense them around me

[shrewd night]

[subtle tundra]

Years of experience

[shrewd night]

Lets do it, thought youd never do it!

[marble hemlock]

so you just pick them up and touch them randomly?

[drifting cloud]

promise?

[spice spire]

It’s the first NNN I might actually complete

[subtle tundra]

No. As I said, years of experience. I can play with the balls just right

[spice spire]

We’re wildin rn

[obsidian anvil]

Guys, considering im gonna play all 3 specs, what is the best weapon enchant I can get?

[marble hemlock]

imagine not having lost it already before even realizing its november 1st

[spice spire]

Sophic probably

[wraith cosmos]

Isnt the crappy part of soul trinket that the agi is decaying as kb is getting stronger?

[subtle tundra]

Yes that's taken into account when simming

[strange python]

I mean yeah it'd be stronger if it increased for sure, but that's just how it works ya know

[wraith cosmos]

I just mean in comparison to branch

[timber meadow]

is this just one pull or is it like the avg across a ton of pulls? if its the latter, why is the 2 min cd set kinda significantly lower than the 4 min?

[wraith cosmos]

Cant see how grabbing orbs is that annoying though

[strange python]

I mean the only thing that matters (in comparison) is how it maths out

[subtle tundra]

Probably execute

So zoldyck

[timber meadow]

oh it builds in execute

makes sense

[subtle tundra]

Ofc. How would you sim that talent otherwise

[velvet ridge]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[oak tangle]

i'm madge, i didn't realise you have to time both dawn dungeons to get the portal

[strange python]

I think I god my head stuck in a black hole - trying to think about the logistical complications of actually simming sudden demise.

[willow kite]

sudden demise legit doesn't feel like it even works on live

[strange python]

[end sim early] or [loop them back to life] or something

nah it works for sure

[willow kite]

or it has some weird tickrate for when it checks if the bleed damage remaining meets the explode condition

[strange python]

yeah i probably agree with that

[willow kite]

and it's like

way too seldom

[midnight mist]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[velvet ridge]

I had a tank in a 20 ever bloom complain about sudden demise popping the flowers, he was annoyed at them bursting before stacks fell off

[strange python]

lol

i got yelled at once

i said "look at my dmg - rupture, garrote, sudden demise"

you think i can just turn that stuff off when bursting hits 5?

[fallow acorn]

"I forgot to talent into STOP ALL DOTS"

[sick aspen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

meanwhile the ret is just like chain pumping divine storms into shit

sorry his dmg is low

but he's the one doing it lol

[velvet ridge]

I wish I could toggle cheese death, sometimes I want to die

[fallow acorn]

still nothin

[timber meadow]

why are all mythic rogue kills on smolderon sub? my assumption is that subs concentrated burst is bigger than sin without having to hold anything ever really?

[strange python]

I think the cds line up better

[timber meadow]

yeah that makes sense, assa can make it work but you have to hold somewhere

[velvet ridge]

I HATE the timing on sin

[outer cairn]

!gargelon

😦

[strange python]

To me, feels good. The only thing sin is missing - is some "more flat damage profile" option...like SBS or something, but i dunno how you'd even balance that.

[timber meadow]

are the timings on mythic and heroic the same?

sorry im lazy and could just look

[strange python]

I dunno, we're not doing mythic i dont think this tier

unless like the first few bosses are ultra easy

[echo geyser]

Guys is it possible to cancelaura indiscriminate carnage? For example sometimes there is an add spawn after my dance/vanish and while I want to dot it up, I dont want to replace the snapshotted garrotes and ruptures on the boss

[strange python]

i'm sure we'll be in there though cause 8/9h already - we will get bored sooner or later

[frigid maple]

so toxified armor u think on belt or bracers? both are from the first bosses mythic so mythic track

[dusky stirrup]

Hey guys is that true the best rouge right now is assassination ?

[strange python]

like best in what context?

[dusky stirrup]

PvE , raid and mythic+ dungeons

[river nexus]

guys hiii. what you guys using talents in tyranical weeks with high keys. single target or m+ talents

[north pond]

where did u guys use carver on dragonkin at? like location wise for dragonkin

[river nexus]

what do you guys prefer

[strange python]

All three specs are viable and competitive really

[oak tangle]

all 13 classes are viable

[strange python]

i mean best is just so subjective

[dusky stirrup]

And which one would be the easiest in your opinion? Sorry im new to wow , boosted a rouge and i'd like to play it ,but uh yes i have questions ahaha

[flint tusk]

*ROGUE!

[oak tangle]

honestly a tough question to answer, all specs are hard or easy in certain ways, just depends how your brain is wired

some people find it extremely hard to wrap their heads around and plan dots with pandemic and others find it impossible to react to procs on outlaw

[strange python]

hrmm easiest of the three specs...god i mean i think that depends on what level you intend to perform.
I find sub pretty "forgiving" with not knowing when to use cooldowns / timings (due to shadowdust).
I've always leaned toward assassination, personally just because it feels good to me?
Outlaw is pretty fun too though...
I'd say try them all and see how you feel

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[upbeat pebble]

I did belt which is slightly less optimal than wrists i think because i plan on running engineer bracers for keys

[steel spire]

easy rogue OL>asas>sub

[strange python]

I'll probably play a lot more sub once i get 4p

[charred nest]

Yo

new rogue here

[strange python]

You must give a formal introduction

One paragraph, 3-sentence minimum.

[steel spire]

👍🏾

[weak sierra]

where you are from, how you came to be a rogue and which is your favourite non-lethal poison and why?

[charred nest]

stealth

[royal lantern]

and the numbers at the back of your creditcard

[strange python]

yeah that little 3-digit thing

[spice spire]

Ignore these silly people.
If you have any questions don’t hesitate to ask, good luck and have fun gamer

[oak tangle]

green names generally know the play, purple names do

and orange

[strange python]

Those light blue guys, watch out for them

[steel spire]

[marble hemlock]

its not light blue, its cyan

[rancid trout]

Hi do you guys know a good scent of blood tracker?

[oak tangle]

i do, he doesn;t talk to me tohugh

[gaunt moat]

I only got normal version of ashes. but if i get heroic i'll use that.
Kingsbane usage requires too much concentration + stacking to the target for witherbark.
Sims might say it's better, but it's playing around a trinket minigame is gonna fuck me up.

[strange python]

Sorry, those greenish-blue colored guys, which is one of the primary subtractive colors, complementary to red - you gotta watch out for them.

[marble hemlock]

big difference between light blue and cyan

[spice spire]

Idk shit. Except general stuff, know 0 about specifics this tier tho
I’m a locker room guy. Morale booster if you will

[spice spire]

It if you’re colorblind bozo

[strange python]

not to my eyes, maybe i need to enable colorblind mode

[marble hemlock]

quake is our fluffer

the best in the business

[steel spire]

[strange python]

wait it's like the color on nymeu isn't it

maybe i am color blind

[spice spire]

Sass me again and I’ll fluff you buddy

[marble hemlock]

please do

[unborn mason]

Outlaw: It's like you're an old school switchboard operator during a major crisis. Exciting but exhausting
Assassination: Ya like dots? Ya like juggling dots? If you're the kind to pop off then run away while your target just crumbles to dust, this spec is for you
Sub: If you like to keep your rotation simple and love big numbers

That's my interpretation of the rogue specs

[oak tangle]

when was the last time a complete noob came in and sassed whispyr or someone telling him he was wrong

[marble hemlock]

like

[oak tangle]

and that wowhead says something

[marble hemlock]

3-5hrs ago?

[steel spire]

i was in doti jail and missed it

[oak tangle]

i love those interactions

[strange python]

that one dude vanished

[flint tusk]

yeh this morning

[strange python]

that kept telling him the dagger was wrong

[flint tusk]

didn't you guys know envenom does more damage than CT in aoe per combo point spent

[strange python]

I mean that could be a true statement, depending on current conditions though right?

[gaunt moat]

@warm parcel
I think I'm willing to take the -2k dps to not suicide myself trying to get orbs, or mess up my opener, or miss an orb cause i don't see it, and then i don't get the buff anyway.

[bleak ivy]

how much haste for assa to not feel like shit?

[strange python]

like if everything already has the CT bleed up.

[static glacier]

Tbh he did accept he was wrong

[steel spire]

you need a minimum of 25% for pemra lust

[flint tusk]

i mean i did take a considerable amount of smashing with a bat from whispyr to get that. not sure it counts

[unborn mason]

I'd be curious how people handle the energy starvation of Assassination

[spice spire]

Over 0

[static glacier]

I only saw the end 😂

[bleak ivy]

real

[oak tangle]

we wait

[unborn mason]

fair

[strange python]

In what conditions are you feeling energy starved?
Whispyr has a video on proper pooling in single target.

[static glacier]

What feels like shit to you

[marble hemlock]

alt tab to shitpost on RH, tab back to have 150energy again

[spice spire]

I go get a glass of water

Real

[bleak ivy]

Idk I jusst have to stay around without pressing shit for a long time

[strange python]

lol yeah you not wrong...sip of your drink, pop in a nicotine pouch, whatever.

[flint tusk]

my man you'd be permanently energy capped!

[unborn mason]

I'll check that out then. Mostly it's during the period where I don't have an improved garrote and rupture up. Ya know, between cooldowns

[static glacier]

Stare at my envenom timer, envenom only when it goes past my first combo point bar thing on luxthos

[marble hemlock]

i type very fast

[bleak ivy]

Ex Outlaw main

[marble hemlock]

idk, alttabing to chat real quick on irc was already a thing back in mop/wod

[strange python]

I've definitely alt-tabbed and chatted in here on boss fights.

[marble hemlock]

before youd be back to max energy

[strange python]

sub has more downtime than sin - someone posted a graphic about a week ago

[static glacier]

The worst is coming to terms with not pressing anything for like 6 globals before you start a new envenom chain

[bleak ivy]

daium

[flint tusk]

best way of learning to touch type.
trying to roast someones elses damage between abilities on a boss while you're beating them

wotlk life

[bleak ivy]

I dont have a 4p

[oak tangle]

6 globals? wtf kinda regen you got, im out here waiting 13

[unborn mason]

yeah I can see that. Sub goes around that with its combo generation iirc

[marble hemlock]

might as well get used to the gameplay regardless

[surreal citrus]

I post porn from twitter at guildmates during pulls tbh

[spice spire]

HUH

[steel spire]

🤮

[marble hemlock]

what kind?

[flint tusk]

peers over at pfp

Shudder

[steel spire]

anime was a mistake

[bleak ivy]

Im 466 and I get shit on on 7+ targets pulls idk

[surreal citrus]

[marble hemlock]

oh ye

forget it asked

[static glacier]

13 globals? Bro might aswell get a mortgage, build a family, educate his children, marry them off, get hit by Morgana Q, get out of Morgana Q, die, then come back as a spirit to continue his dps

[bleak ivy]

continue to press a few envenoms

then get through a divorce

[spice spire]

Now imagine assassination got apex from feral

[marble hemlock]

imagine having someone to get divorced from. amateurs.

[spice spire]

We’d never

But imagine

[oak tangle]

who or what tf is a Morgana Q

[bleak ivy]

League of legends shit

stuns for so long u get AFK notifications

[static glacier]

League ability, you’ll grow old before you get out of it’s cc

[unborn mason]

sounds like a fun game

[steel spire]

at least we get to press buttons, poor spriests are pi bots

[marble hemlock]

people who never played dota2

[oak tangle]

i see

[strange python]

lol diablo 4 had that upon release

[marble hemlock]

standing in 13second fiendsgrip

[icy iron]

Pog , twitter is the best place for it

[bleak ivy]

Dota you mean the game for soon to be 80 year olds?

[strange python]

wuts twitter

[icy iron]

The best kind owo

[static glacier]

When I was doing pvp wq this week people had this bubble ability that cc’d for like 15 secs

[bleak ivy]

how much mastery yall got highest gets 100k

[strange python]

140,000

[spice spire]

These words aren’t in the Bible big dog

[bleak ivy]

ill payy off in a few years

[strange python]

what happened to tokens - they were 333k last week, now they're like 240k

[bleak ivy]

WoW died

[oak tangle]

fiends grip into arrow into roar into max rolled ck stun into earthshaker combo into chronosphere into rp into...

[distant fox]

I love that discord

[hexed willow]

They limited bot gold buying

[strange python]

Why you love Sanguine Blades so much?

[warm parcel]

ye we were checking out how the timings on the orbs affect the diff

[static glacier]

Price spiked from boosters and just rich people buying tokens to buy new expac

[warm parcel]

you can easily make branch sim less with a mistake

[marble hemlock]

@spice spire explain the difference between owo and uwu to me please

[bleak ivy]

Itss an icon who cares

[strange python]

Oh I was just curious to hear your thoughts bro lol mbmb

[warm parcel]

so with proge in mind Id take soul over it

[marble hemlock]

soul and branch simmed same for me

[dusty loom]

I’m 99% lurking in this disc but man are the other spec chats not as fun as the assa chat. Y’all wild in the best(worst) way

[static glacier]

That and patch launch driving demand for tokens

[strange python]

you guys are making me want a soul now over branch

[warm parcel]

really

[bleak ivy]

remove PI

[marble hemlock]

wish i had a soul too

[oak tangle]

offtopic 2.0 what you gonna do when pooling

[distant fox]

Disc is also fun but i think disc passed on insanity.you are crazier. Love it

[unborn mason]

I don't have to worry about PI because they all go to our hunters

[distant fox]

Jer.. m... di....

[cunning frost]

so is outlaw just better in m+?

[strange python]

i dont have to worry about PI because our arcane mage gets it

[hexed willow]

Branch is bis

[spice spire]

Fuck would I know

[warm parcel]

With my mastery level branch is a clear winner if I dont mess up. With a mess up soul evens out

[unborn mason]

it's a face

[static glacier]

Of all the cursed things

[steel spire]

eyes open and eyes closed?

[dusty loom]

Level from 1-25 in SoD in classic prolly

[static glacier]

This isnt what I needed to hear

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JVcHI/bc75ca1fb3.png
http://puu.sh/JVcHL/46a04f1474.jpg

[hexed willow]

No? I mean it’s strong yes but assassination holds it own and iron wire can carry some trash packs

[marble hemlock]

[warm parcel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gsNtvwbHHwheZGCvSgdcHJ
no fuckeroo

[unborn mason]

I feel like Sin has the most M+ utility, I could be wrong though

[marble hemlock]

but ye thats mythic soul

heroic soul was like

[unborn mason]

haven't played Outlaw since Slands

[marble hemlock]

1k less or smth

[strange python]

You're probably right

[distant fox]

We got aoe siönece and dr, outlaw doesnt. Sub got aoe stun though

[marble hemlock]

mightve changed now with more gear, probably did, idk

[strange python]

I can't get used to how BTE is now for outlaw. Just feels weird with crackshot.

[bleak ivy]

Garrote silence fr

[warm parcel]

mythic soul for mythic smolderon proge

[static glacier]

OL has technically more chances to cheap shot / has lower evasion, sprint and grapple cd

[unborn mason]

we're also good against Raging

[marble hemlock]

ngl i feel like im hard inting playing assa on gargalon

[oak tangle]

im drawing a blank what is their aoe stun

[unborn mason]

I meant more like Group utility than solo utility

[hexed willow]

Pretty sure cheap shot doesn’t get reduced by relentless blades

[distant fox]

Iirc the got a talent in the sub tree

[turbid harbor]

Soul over branch all the way

[static glacier]

Think about their subterfuge uptime

[dusty loom]

My tank friend doesn’t understand the utility of airborne irritant with blackjack yet. They still think I should take tricks even though he’s got no issues with threat

[bleak ivy]

What AoE stun sub got ? what

[warm parcel]

gargle on these nuts

[turbid harbor]

Can’t imagine playing branch on nymue

[hexed willow]

Oh you’re talking about availability

[bleak ivy]

[marble hemlock]

i really am not looking forward to progging smoldy

or tindr

or fyrakk

[warm parcel]

smoldy seems ait

its a straight forward boss

[spice spire]

You can smolderon deez nuts bozo

[warm parcel]

just learn to dance

[marble hemlock]

smoldy is fine cuz you just outgear the oneshots

[steel spire]

get a new tank

[bleak ivy]

cant you just use branch and ssit in place

[dusty loom]

DH brain go brrrrr

[warm parcel]

branch sit in place was worse than soul for me

[strange python]

you sure can

[static glacier]

Depends on walls

[unborn mason]

I do really miss Acrobatic Strikes though, I hope they eventually bump that ability just one level up

[bleak ivy]

Neither dropping for me I wouldnt know

[static glacier]

I just start running for last ball when I see KB is 10s

[distant fox]

Imagine assa in tyr bosses eihtout blindside

[marble hemlock]

same (tbh i didnt get to play game much so far)

[strange python]

I feel like acro should just be baked the fuck in

[unborn mason]

agreedo

[static glacier]

It’s a shame but I’ve adapted

[marble hemlock]

can RWF be over please thanks

[bleak ivy]

why?

[warm parcel]

mood

[static glacier]

Can the RWF teams actually not go dark

[distant fox]

Snd healing is bugged anyways. Passive heslth regen hesls more.

[bleak ivy]

I have this crab shit and a mirror is crab good?

[marble hemlock]

the fuck is that

[distant fox]

Fat fingers

[warm parcel]

ITS MY TRINKETS OK

what do you want

[unborn mason]

in the end we all become crab

[marble hemlock]

do you not have any shame?

[warm parcel]

Ive got 19 sandglasses from the dagger farm

[steel spire]

is this good?

[bleak ivy]

fuck accidently sent 2

[marble hemlock]

no but really, are you not ashamed?

[dusty loom]

I’m gonna throw up

[warm parcel]

yee

still one dagger to go :)

[marble hemlock]

my first vault was so unbelievably dogshit actually

[bleak ivy]

trinkets aint looking good shit aint dropping

[marble hemlock]

was kinda impressive

[warm parcel]

Mine was 600 dps

👍

[marble hemlock]

okay yours was worse

[bleak ivy]

rip

[strange python]

oh yeah mine was just straight trash

[marble hemlock]

lemme know when you got it, then you can trade to me

[distant fox]

Still pmaying dispenser. Still doing 4,5k dps.

[hexed willow]

Get back in there!

[warm parcel]

Imma make some food and then its some keys time

doubt Ill get it

[sick eagle]

does feint work on 3rd boss everbloom?

[bleak ivy]

Man fuck

[oak tangle]

i just want heroic track daggers. but this game hates me

[static glacier]

Which ability

[sick eagle]

the fire one sorry

[steel spire]

i got a fuck ton of boots and legs off fall tonight, the bad luck is gone

[weak bane]

nope

[steel spire]

grats on daggers

[strange python]

I always cast feint any time i'm about to take dmg - whether it works or not, i have no clue

[distant fox]

Lol

[weak bane]

the big group dam that happens when it goes fire is not aoe

[oak tangle]

take elusiveness and it does for sure

[steel spire]

we feint vial prepull and pray we dont die 🧑🏾‍🍳

[unborn mason]

weird, that's like the main characteristic of an AOE

[hushed fern]

https://gyazo.com/ebec862e958fb6e0d4649cf8bfa4687a

[sick eagle]

yea was thinking about that, cheat death procs on bursting anyway xD

[static glacier]

Yes

[bleak ivy]

Pipe bomb in your mailbox

[static glacier]

Wait

You running elusiveness or nah?

[hushed fern]

i had to sell them 2 times because trinket keeps not dropping

[bleak ivy]

???

lmao

[strange python]

I'd run elusiveness, but the amt of times i look up and see that cheat death proc'd...kinda scares me to not have cheat death

[coral sierra]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lyric wind]

so i have brand, egg shell and ashes and i know it says brand is bis but it sims lower than ashes and eggshell

[steel spire]

ill take the daggers and trade the trinket bro

[hushed fern]

comre come

[north flax]

Im doing mostly m+, thinking about what to do during shadow dance. Refresh garrote and rupture or should I even use envenom inside it?

[steel spire]

sometimes i gar sometimes i forget i popped it

[weak bane]

if the mobs you are attacking don't have snapshotted bleeds and will survive most of the duration of those snaps then probably

[strange python]

The sim (I think) is just run A) without any trinkets and then B) with just that trinket on.
So actual character sims could (and do) return different results a lot of the time.

[static glacier]

Depends if all ur targets are dotted / if envenom is up for kingsbane

[icy iron]

D:

[oak tangle]

the amount of times my tanks pull at +2 seconds after raid pull timer and i get melee'd cause i went at +1 trying to be safe

[strange python]

lol yep

[north flax]

well, lets say all target are dotted already and kingsbane not used. Should I pop kingsbane during shadow dance and build combos for envenom?

[lyric wind]

ooh word so for m+ would you goegg shell and brand or brand and bandolier?

[strange python]

i usually trust the boomkin thing more than the pull timer

[hexed willow]

Garrote is great there for more damage and iron wire. I wouldn’t worry too much about NS rupture

[weak bane]

I trust the boomkins to make fyrakk jump to them 30% of pulls

[oak tangle]

and then of course you hear a healer yell out blaming me

and im just like bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbruh

[north flax]

Just feels kinda weird spamming garrote only inside shadow dance 😛

[oak tangle]

que

[weak bane]

[strange python]

no clue, i'd use what i enjoyed using. There's gotta be so many more important variables to your performance than just which trinket you have on is slightly better really.

[dapper hound]

only 27 runs in a row -.-

[gusty mirage]

twinning

[frigid maple]

does nick of time 483 beat a 489 main hand?

[oak tangle]

i'd consider transmog and spotify playlist pretty important

[hexed willow]

I mean you aren’t spamming it you’re just reapplying it to the number of enemies

[gusty mirage]

no

[strange python]

tmog definitely more important decision to me than what trinket i have on yea

[gusty mirage]

ilvl > timestrike in mh

[static glacier]

In general yes, that’s what I would do aswell

[bleak ivy]

how big of an upgraade are 2 nick of times

[gusty mirage]

all your damage scales off weapon dps

[north flax]

Fair enough then, cheers! 🙂

[gusty mirage]

like 1-2%

[ancient lake]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[oak tangle]

how can you play well if you're not looking and feeling good

[bleak ivy]

bruh

[strange python]

assuming equal ilvl, i think 1.1% per?

[bleak ivy]

thats barely anything

[strange python]

I mean it's just totally free dmg though

[gusty mirage]

it is

but also

BACK TO THE MINES

[weak bane]

pretty much always simming at 0.9-1.2 for me atm but yes free damage

[gusty mirage]

OUR SUFFERING COMRADE

[bleak ivy]

not free

[weak bane]

BACK TO THE MINES INDEED

[strange python]

when you play undead, you get back that racial damage anywhere you can

[bleak ivy]

takes your soul

[steel spire]

i killed enough stone lizards already

[static glacier]

Time strike seems to always do 0.7%

For me in overall

[gusty mirage]

timestrike will beat ilvl in oh

[oak tangle]

timestrike does damage only based on how much timestrike you have

[static glacier]

Granted it’s a 1/6 hero track version in offhand

[gusty mirage]

so if you have one hero track

you're done

you beat the game

just equip higher ilvl in MH and ggs

[slim hamlet]

Wait not everyone got myth track nick 1st week vault?

[deft vault]

ehh not really timestrike 483 sims higher than a 486 dagger for me

[gusty mirage]

but you also lose out on bonding with your fellow rogues over the mental illness that is galakronds fall farming

[deft vault]

in mainhand

[slim hamlet]

Thought it was guarenteed

[bleak ivy]

Where can I turn in the token

?

[gusty mirage]

[weak bane]

i'm seeing too many purple classes on my screen actually

[gusty mirage]

flight path just south of raid, there's 2 NPCs off to the side by themselves

[odd dew]

i have decided to quit wow after 50 keys andno nick oftime

[slim hamlet]

smart

[bleak ivy]

ty

[slim hamlet]

but what about your time invested

[gusty mirage]

honestly fair

[slim hamlet]

surely it's the 51st pull

[deft vault]

already got 2 timestirke tho so we gucci

[steel spire]

imagine giving up when the next one def has the dagger

[slim hamlet]

^

[oak tangle]

sunk cost falacy is a hell of a drug

[strange python]

this is like gambler's fallacy?

[slim hamlet]

That's what I have been saying to myself with branch for 20 runs

[gusty mirage]

100% of gamblers quit before they win big

just remember that

[steel spire]

big true

[gusty mirage]

[deft vault]

run with another rogue i dropped both daggers in the only 2 runs i ran with another rogue lol

[steel spire]

[strange python]

[gusty mirage]

what's a little mental illness for a timestrike dagger guys

cmon now

[slim hamlet]

We have a boomkin in our guild that is 4 million gold in debt

[gusty mirage]

it's a nice trade

[slim hamlet]

Surely next gamble he wins

[odd dew]

i did htat onc enad he got the dagger adn he kept it

[past forum]

Who in here has their cds so planned out they could send in their sleep?

[gusty mirage]

you get to experience different ways people int a galakronds

[strange python]

He should just delete and remake

[gusty mirage]

you get to loot everything EXCEPT the dagger like 8 times

its pretty neat

[strange python]

"Hey guys, i'm a new boomkin, new to the game. can i join your guild"

[slim hamlet]

See that is the good part for me

I just loot nothing

[bleak ivy]

Okay Bobby Kotick who do you think youre fooling?

[gusty mirage]

you take your 53 gold and you fucking like it buddy

[neat horizon]

Hey guys i got a dagger called the nick of time but it has some weird outdated stat called timestrike so i traded it to my friend for transmog. It was in a +19

[steel spire]

good sleep or 1 more fall, ofc one more fall

[past forum]

I’ve looted like 5 chests and 2 sandglasses

[neat horizon]

It was a bad dagger right?

[slim hamlet]

Can't be mad it rolled the wrong item if it doesn't roll an item

[odd dew]

ive done 105 keys this weeka dn am lower ilvl than people in my raid that have done 11 keys

[slim hamlet]

flightstones too

[bleak ivy]

Actual blizzard employee

[slim hamlet]

Kinda big

[gusty mirage]

I've done a total of 98 keys this tier

[slim hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

and I have someone with 35 keys in 2 weeks

[oak tangle]

conversely to this, i had a pug tank do what i would consider the most impressive thing i have seen to date in there (kinda just called mechanics) and the entire path for phase 3 or blight of galakrond was free of shit

[gusty mirage]

who is higher ilvl than me

[normal mist]

i went from 452 to 466 in 5 hours

[strange python]

What was that one xpac where you got tokens and could buy stuff from the vendor (daggers, trinkets, etc)...that was a decent idea.

[bleak ivy]

whats your ilvl

[gusty mirage]

476

[bleak ivy]

fed

[strange python]

I'm 469 maybe 470

[steel spire]

most of my off pieces came from everbloom and fall

[slim hamlet]

Bro my guild sends screenshots of their droptimizer with nothing left, meanwhile I got more runs and have upgrades in every slot basically

[odd dew]

i went form 464 -464 in 80 keys

[slim hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

the only expansion that happened before this one was bfa

idk what you're talking about

[bleak ivy]

What sword?

[gusty mirage]

YOU CAN'T MAKE SHADOWLANDS REAL TO ME

[deft vault]

i think i beat you

[gusty mirage]

IT WAS A BAD DREAM

[strange python]

lol

[steel spire]

dinar system was based

[gusty mirage]

probably, I got fuck all in raid

[strange python]

i kinda miss the "factions" or whatever we "pledged our allegiances" to

[gusty mirage]

all my shit is from keys

[neat horizon]

But can you beat 460 ilvl dhs with that gear?

[deft vault]

i got tier and ashes and thats it

[gusty mirage]

depends, do they have the trinket off fyrakk and a signet?

if yes

[deft vault]

im 476.75

[gusty mirage]

I couldn't beat a 440 dh with it

LOL

[neat horizon]

Loooool

[limber lion]

"tier and ashes and that's it"

bruh

[deft vault]

smh i should have gotten signet

[odd dew]

question, heroic pips dropped week one and i was top damage dealre bny a mile, it went to ta mistweaver? i didnt complain but felt wrong was thathemcorrect decision

[gusty mirage]

I got normal legs and heroic chest from raid

that's it

[jaunty warren]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[gusty mirage]

oh and a igira dagger

[neat horizon]

I got 4p and hero nick and thats it

[slim hamlet]

Bro I hate signet

[gusty mirage]

so that's neat ig

[bleak ivy]

Take my first born too

[slim hamlet]

fucing dogshit trinket

does 1% dmg 90% of pulls

[gusty mirage]

you don't enjoy doing either no damage or all the damage?

[topaz horizon]

you never give healers loot

[slim hamlet]

then randomly 6%

[slim hamlet]

No

[deft vault]

im turbo decked out lmao

[gusty mirage]

yeah fair enough

[deft vault]

https://gyazo.com/555dfe40f0780af49620c7c9c198c538?token=28f9d00a9fee26ba7d48b9ded387a3f4

[oak tangle]

this is my life... goddamn 20 fall

[slim hamlet]

Or it would be fine if it was like 50/50

[bleak ivy]

how to beat a DH is there a guide

[slim hamlet]

But it's 1% for the biggest majority of pulls

[gusty mirage]

I was informed that your necklace is an "evoker" neck sir

[hushed fern]

where branch

[deft vault]

it aint a upgrade for me

[gusty mirage]

so I got the crit haste one that was 1000 dps less than the tswift neck

dogshit evokers stealing all our shit

shit class

[deft vault]

dropped it in vault

[slim hamlet]

Shaman "stole" mine

[neat horizon]

But can you beat freshly dinged dhs?

[slim hamlet]

smh my head

[bleak ivy]

insane package guys

[gusty mirage]

DO IT

[steel spire]

why they add lizards to rogue token anyway

[gusty mirage]

EASIEST DEPLETE OF YOUR LIFE

[bleak ivy]

Common rarity healer

[steel spire]

our shit crowded af with raid buffs

[deft vault]

oh hell yeah lol not in mkeys tho

[gusty mirage]

surely bringing an undergeared terrible m+ healer to a tyrannical key will succeed

SURELY

[neat horizon]

Green gear op

[odd dew]

is there anyonethat woudl run falls with me to drag me daggers

[bleak ivy]

I doubt he doing anything with this class even as 475

[odd dew]

i think i am going to go insane

[gusty mirage]

homie you couldn't pay me enough money in the world to do another falls

[deft vault]

run everbloom for trinket with me and i can

[gusty mirage]

I served my time in prison

[steel spire]

1 wow token for dagger

[slim hamlet]

u unsubbed from wow?

[bleak ivy]

3mil for curio

[gusty mirage]

I unsubbed from galakronds fall

[slim hamlet]

you're still in prison

U are just allowed 1 hour of outside now

[odd dew]

im about to unsub from life

[gusty mirage]

1 hour?

brotherman

[slim hamlet]

max

[odd dew]

falls has destroyed me

[steel spire]

petition to change assas to fall jail chat

[gusty mirage]

if you think I'm gonna be running 20-50 keys a week after this week

you crazy

I'll maybe do 4

[bleak ivy]

raid logger

[gusty mirage]

IO too high for my liking already

2600 is the sweet spot

[slim hamlet]

smh not going for tertiaries and sockets

[gusty mirage]

when I'm farming this raid for the next 5 months I'll get plenty of sockets

dw

[bleak ivy]

Average raid logging rogue

[weak sierra]

i'll settle for getting into a Falls key for now 😄

[steel spire]

3k rtogues are bonkers

[gusty mirage]

there was a time last tier where I took sockets 6 weeks in a row

[merry raven]

i will not stand for this frost slander

[gusty mirage]

I started socketing rings I don't even wear

[bleak ivy]

💀

[deft vault]

8weekly atal from now on only

[gusty mirage]

no you have to pull the kaka trash in atal now 😦

I'll stick with wienercrest manor

[deft vault]

still the easiest and fastest no

[gusty mirage]

unironically, galakronds fall is actually the fastest

lol

[slim hamlet]

Fall unironically easiest now

Yall just pussies

Oh

We agree completely

[bleak ivy]

man theese are hard descisions

[gusty mirage]

its actually a shadow priest

don't be baited

[bleak ivy]

a boosting friend

[slim hamlet]

fastest way to deplete

Even hovering over a spriest

[bleak ivy]

nah maybe he hopped on s priest for 1 run

saw that shit and swapped healer

[slim hamlet]

Why would he do that to himself

[bleak ivy]

cause spriest is ass

[oak tangle]

that's what our spriest did

they are now disc

[slim hamlet]

Does feint actually work on 3rd boss everbloom fire thingy

Because I swear it doesn't but someone said it does

any way to check?

[strange python]

So when's sin gonna get "tuned"

[slim hamlet]

When PI gets removed in 10.2.5

[oak tangle]

yes, but you're not going to like it

[bleak ivy]

never

remove PI

[strange python]

agree with that

[slim hamlet]

Like if they tune sin to be same as others with PI then people without PI is just never playing this spec

[strange python]

it literally just over inflates the "best dps" anyway - like by a lot - and makes dmg charts look so much more one-sided than they really are.

[slim hamlet]

It's just uhdk and they didn't do shit to uhdk

idk

[bleak ivy]

Imagine some shitter gets PI'd whole time and says to you ''Why so low dps?"

easiest rage bait

[mellow bolt]

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[slim hamlet]

I mean can I check in logs if feint did something

or the like

[strange python]

I mean I've had to fight bosses in the non-wft group while watching the other two rogues in the wft group along with two warriors.

That shit feels badge too

you dont wanna be "that guy" so i just let it ride ya know

[gusty mirage]

with two warriors?

[oak tangle]

i just go with the placebo effect, i slap that damn feint button on the shadowbolts in BRH

[steel spire]

i thought they might nerf caustic to only work with 1 proc of pb

[slim hamlet]

I click feint when bursting is about to go off and I am 99% sure it doesnt work

but it does a aoe burst

so feels right

[deft vault]

pretty sure if we're getting nerfed its gonna be caustic

[oak tangle]

there is zero reason to nerf it though

[strange python]

oh they gonna nerf the spatter?

[slim hamlet]

probably but on tyran IB does more overall

[bleak ivy]

doomers alrdy

[hexed willow]

I’d say our ST is more of an issue

[slim hamlet]

in everbloom at least

[deft vault]

its not if youre not getting simped

[placid adder]

Bozos

[strange python]

meh whatever happens happens. I'm fine playing any of the 3 specs in any scenario, so it's whatever. I just enjoy sin most

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[bleak ivy]

get onehand weapon just incase

[oak tangle]

if you're not getting simped then we aren't even an issue

[slim hamlet]

No simp even outlaw does more

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[hexed willow]

But when we do, we’re the big burst spec they don’t like

[strange python]

oh yeah i've been with some pumpin outlaws honestly

[slim hamlet]

They liked uhdk for 2 seasons

and demo lock

[deft vault]

but try explaining that to anyone that doesnt play rogue

[slim hamlet]

[distant fox]

The only thing to nerf would be kingsbane, feral has the same issue wih convoke.
But tbh let us enjoy it

[hexed willow]

And then they killed both

[slim hamlet]

and made another

[strange python]

I mean let's be honest - Kingsbane needs brought in line - and tuning done elsewhere.

[slim hamlet]

2 others even

Also this raid is like perfect for burst specs

[bleak ivy]

blizzard employees tired of getting outdpsed by rogues and DHs time to nerf

[deft vault]

no it doesnt lmao. if youre not getting ismped assa is perfectly fine

[slim hamlet]

So many shields, or shit that needs to die or dmg amps

[strange python]

When literally every single decision we make - gearing, talents, trinkets, all comes down to kingsbane. That means it's probably a bit stronger than it should be.

[hexed willow]

Ehhh

[slim hamlet]

idk about that

[hexed willow]

Thats not a good argument imo

[strange python]

I mean it's not an option to not spec it really

[oak tangle]

hard disagree

[distant fox]

Burn the house down!
Wrong spec ! This is why they bleed this is why they scream but i wont vanish away!

[hexed willow]

Like we build around a good talent, thats not bad design

[strange python]

But there isn't another even-remotely-close build without it

[slim hamlet]

ofc that's all our dmg

[hexed willow]

So is outlaw also in bad place too? And sub? And demo etc

Multiple specs are built around a good talent

[deft vault]

i mean if they nerf kb then we need insane buffs everywhere else lol

[strange python]

I mean I'd argue yes - just because I like choice, i dunno.

[hexed willow]

It’s how they do these trees

[slim hamlet]

They tried to move KB dmg into rup, envenom and so on

[hexed willow]

But not everything is a perfectly balanced choice

[oak tangle]

what build is there to take though you gonna take IC and or Sudden demise on ST raid fight?

[slim hamlet]

But they will have to change numbers soooo much for that

and imo would make the spec much more boring

[hexed willow]

Like we have 2 viable m+ builds, maybe 3

Thats more than most specs

[strange python]

I duno - how bout like Kingsbane is a choice node. If you wanna play mini-games inside of mini games, you pick Kingsbane - otherwise, maybe Sepsis is an option or SBS is an option. Just saying - yeah, huge tuning would need to be done elsewhere at this point if they nerf KB for sure.

[slim hamlet]

We have so many builds for m+

[strange python]

what do they all have in common?

[slim hamlet]

or well 2 main builds and then 10 itterations

[oak tangle]

this could be as simple as swapping dm and kb placement

make kb the signature ability

[strange python]

actually

that's not a bad idea really

[hexed willow]

What class doesn’t have a signature ability though

[slim hamlet]

No it is a bad idea

Why would u not like a main talent u always like

[strange python]

I mean maybe it is the placement that i dont like honestly

[slim hamlet]

That's every single spec

KB placement is completely free?

[hexed willow]

Talents should be designed to be fun. A good talent will always be taken

[slim hamlet]

There is never a time where u can't get it for 1 point

[oak tangle]

i didn't say remove signature ability, i said make kb ours instead of dm

[slim hamlet]

why

[strange python]

he's saying like choice between DM and like sepsis, for example yeah

[hexed willow]

The combo is the signature though rn

[strange python]

but then DM builds into KB hah

so it'll just always get taken anwyay

[hexed willow]

Sepsis needs to be broken as shit to be an option

[slim hamlet]

U are gonna take both anyway

[oak tangle]

no not a choice node, make dm exactly where kb is now, and vice versa

[strange python]

so then break it haha

[slim hamlet]

If u look at your KB dmg with and without dm it's insane difference

This playstyle right now is like perfect

Why we trying to fix something not broken

[strange python]

I mean I don't disagree, this is some of the most fun I've had as sin for sure.

[hexed willow]

Plus KB also feels great

Like

[oak tangle]

i enjoy pressing kb more than i enjoy pressing dm

is all im saying

[slim hamlet]

Because DM dmg doesn't show but KB does

[strange trail]

what was the weakaura called that shows the recommended abillies to use during kingsbane?

[strange python]

am I the only one struggling with having energy in keys? like in raid I have no issues playing but even with keeping bleeds on mutliple targets I feel like I'm perma out of energy

[hexed willow]

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[prisma monolith]

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[hexed willow]

Le’s profile

[oak tangle]

yeah but kb also requires some reaction, dm is basically entirely passive

[strange python]

If you're starved on an aoe pack, yeah you're doing something wrong.

[strange trail]

thank you!

[slim hamlet]

U wanted to do the same things with DM as you are doing with KB right now

Just different timings

[oak tangle]

yeah but i hate vanish

[hexed willow]

If you’re maintaining rupture/garrote in everything it should be enough energy flow. Try the arterial build with blindside if it’s still an issue

I love vanish

Like in m+ I can use it optimally in DM but I can also hold it if I know I need the silence at some point or more adds to burst etc

[slim hamlet]

Vanish is such an useful ability

[oak tangle]

oh i don't hate the ability

[strange python]

I mean if it's like a 15 mob pull i'm not putting dots on every mob before I go into cd's but on 6-7 I do

[oak tangle]

i hate the way we are realistically the only spec that has been forced into using it as a dps spell

[scarlet gorge]

any leather crafter here able to help me craft aspect thorn boots? ❤️

[lyric wind]

im always enery starved on ST im def doing something wrong dw

[slim hamlet]

[strange python]

You still wanna like garrote, tab, garrote, rupture, mut, fok, rupture. that gets out like 5-6 of each

[slim hamlet]

That is not true at all

Every spec uses as dps

Sub could maybe keep for movement

[strange python]

oh yeah it's huge for outlaw

[oak tangle]

it's less so now than it has been

[hexed willow]

I typically put up to 8-9 but yeah it gives more energy to support CT and envenom spam

[oak tangle]

but BFA era

[slim hamlet]

I mean u used vanish basically on cd if u didnt need for something specific with the other specs

oh

[hexed willow]

Uh

[slim hamlet]

u talking 20 years ago

[hexed willow]

You do know how outlaw uses it

They have even less flexibility with vanish/SD than we do

[oak tangle]

things are different now, i know

[hexed willow]

Our vanish is stupidly flexible

[strange python]

yeah it really is

[oak tangle]

but i think making others required to use it in dps is the wrong direction

[slim hamlet]

idk why people want it to not be a dps cooldown

[strange python]

plus...and this is gonna sound pretty bad - those last 2 KB ticks - coulda critted anyway so it's not even that huge (potentially / mathematically) all the time.

[slim hamlet]

ok then it's just a super super niche utility cooldown for open world or maybe once a week in m+

[strange python]

feels like if I play with a havoc in the group half of the pack is dead before I could use any cd's if I would put even more (talking 18-20 keys)

[slim hamlet]

Barely worth binding over shroud

[strange python]

I mean if you never vanished your KB - and just kept it, i dont think your numbers would be that wildly different on a case-by-case basis.

[oak tangle]

i mean less so now, i guess they've changed it's use cases a fair chunk, but there was alot more raid / m+ mechanics back in the day that it was useful for

[slim hamlet]

wat

[strange python]

I guess 30% of the time, they'd be different?

[steel spire]

ok the next fall for sure

[slim hamlet]

keep coping bud

[strange python]

That's math dude lol

[steel spire]

[strange python]

if something has 30% more increased chance to crit - it's going to crit 30% more of the time right?

[oak tangle]

70% if you going on the track im thinking

[coral gulch]

hey guys, should i prioritize using fok into envenom or dotting the targets(4+) mobs in m+ while my cds are down?

[steel spire]

after putting up caustic

[slim hamlet]

u gotta get bleeds for energy and scent of blood

[hexed willow]

Latter and then do the former

Bleeds are your bread and butter to spam envenom

[coral gulch]

aight, so i should fok into rupture/garrote and then envenom spam right?

[strange python]

no you wanna open with a copule of garrotes

and then get 5-6 ruptures out at least

remember that casting once - applies 3

[coral gulch]

i mean after opening, and when my vanish and sd are on cooldown

[oak tangle]

5 targets ruptured