assassination

[surreal citrus]

ye

[oak tangle]

yes but make sure one of them has spatter on them, and envenom that

[static hedge]

so if crimson tempest debuff is on them, and one has spatter, then basically fok and envenom and repeat

right?

[oak tangle]

pre much

[static hedge]

tyty

[hexed willow]

Make sure you have your other bleeds

[static hedge]

yeah lol

[hexed willow]

Just making sure! Folks don’t always value how important it is

[static hedge]

makes sense

[oak tangle]

if theres one thing i suck at it's maximising garottes

[oak lagoon]

question

[true flame]

Any reason not to just macro ambush and mutilate into the same button?

[strange python]

Zero reason TO do this

[elder torrent]

blizz ui does it

[oak lagoon]

on first boss and / council

do you ST with splatter

?

[strange python]

One is a stealth ability, one is non-stealth. Blindside switches Mut to Ambush automatically.

[oak lagoon]

or you go m+ kind of build

[elder torrent]

St splatter

[oak lagoon]

oki

[true flame]

So no reason to even put ambush on my bars?

[strange python]

I have it on my stealth bar

Right where Mutilate is on my regular non-stealth bar

[true flame]

Thanks!

[green apex]

Ashes of Embersoul: Fire it at end of Kingsbane?

[runic hinge]

3 seconds in

[clever niche]

we cookin bois

[grave geode]

do you need to do the anniv questline for kazzak or can you just join a group and kill him?

[restive falcon]

58 galakrond fall runs in, 1 hero dagger to show for it, 1 champion dagger, and 2 veteran daggers

[oak lagoon]

questio

on council

do you bleed all of them

or nah

[slim hamlet]

I bleed what is close

[oak lagoon]

kk

thx u bb

xd

[turbid sandal]

31 runs, not a single dagger. -.-

[restive falcon]

took me my 40th to get my first

[turbid sandal]

there is hope!

[restive falcon]

ran my 43rd in a 2, got my veteran, then my 48th got champion and 49th got hero, and 11 runs later no 2nd hero

but we keep going in the prision, even tho its a 200dps gain

[earnest remnant]

ive done 12 runs and ive got 5

[restive falcon]

youre a chad tho

unironically

[glass fulcrum]

is gear compare working correct or not?

[restive falcon]

i do enjoy the dungeon 🙂

maybe its like stockholm syndrome but i actually like the dungeon

[green apex]

ty!

[split veldt]

whats the trick to this 4 set

[restive falcon]

do your rotation

[split veldt]

then how do other rogues have more 4pc damage than me

[proper tapir]

Maybe also your rotation.....

[lucid rain]

better gear? better rotation?

higher uptime on boss?

[noble parrot]

hello everyone new to the rogue and im an assassination rogue. need help wit single target rotation. any advice?

[lucid rain]

read the wowhead guide

[hexed willow]

Have you read the guides/watched whispyr’s videos?

[noble parrot]

nope thats why i am asking for advice. didnt know where to start

[rugged wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793

[clever niche]

Clipping envenom is back, as many times as you can

[quaint hull]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[rugged wadi]

can someone give me a link to this server? i can't generate one myself because the maximum number of links are already 've been made

[hexed willow]

Both wowhead and those are where to go

[slim hamlet]

Another everbloom shoulders in the bags

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-happy-laughing-crying-i-cant-even-gif-24163733

[haughty flicker]

ive stopped doing everbloom this week

i'll get my hero track branch next week lmao

bursting too cursed

[slim hamlet]

This is such a bad pug dungeon on tyran

holy

[rugged wadi]

That branch is so hard to manage in raid

it's like adding a mechanic on top of other mechanics

[slim hamlet]

But as long as it is 14 FUCKING THOUSAND MORE DPS

[rugged wadi]

That's sim

Computer againts dummy

[slim hamlet]

I usually don't find this kind of stuff hard

But we will see when I get it

[gusty mirage]

no it has to go on a LWing item

[odd flax]

in which cases I use the arterial precision over DTB on m+? still got only 2p

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant

peep that number on the bottom right

[surreal citrus]

[slim hamlet]

Oxi is simply better

still no vault nick tho

n00b

[gusty mirage]

quiet peasant

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

I don’t even think about it lmao

Sims show that playing the branch completely wrong

[oak tangle]

i took a break from glakrond prison, to smash out a random DHT, #worth

[balmy condor]

Is still best trinket

[slim hamlet]

after 13 runs u are unlucky to not have gotten branch right

so how unlucky is 30 runs

[hexed willow]

What’s the % difference for 1/1/1 vs optimal usage?

[balmy condor]

Half a percent

[slim hamlet]

I thought it would be at least like 1.5%

[balmy condor]

Trinket is crazy

[drifting cloud]

thats how I roll

[slim hamlet]

So how about kiting it all the way until right before they go away

[balmy condor]

It’s not even difficult to play around

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

If you move like

[slim hamlet]

Worst possible use

[balmy condor]

4 inches to the left

The orbs hit you at the right time anyway

[slim hamlet]

sorry can you do that in non-freedom units?

[oak tangle]

this is just the advanced strat

[balmy condor]

Like if you actually complain about branch

Shut up and don’t be a shitter

Idk

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[balmy condor]

Shit is free as hell

Get good

[slim hamlet]

I am getting declined for 17 everblooms at 4 am at 472 ilvl, 4pc, ++20EB done

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-i-love-my-life-gif-18256692

[oak tangle]

100% cause they want the trinket and you are a threat

[slim hamlet]

But that makes no sense

Just because I have the loot pool for the trinket doesn't mean they have lower drop chance

[oak tangle]

yeah but they want some shitter who doesn't want it to drop it and trade them

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/diesofcringe-gif-24606059

[oak tangle]

i don't bother queuing for any falls with a rogue in the group

[hexed willow]

So @slim hamlet even if you’re an idiot, it’s a 13000 dps increase

[olive veldt]

How normal is it to run out of all thistle tea charges and be waiting on cd's doing almost nothing, in a single target m+ boss while in aoe spec.

[slim hamlet]

Yea I will get that sweet 13k dps in about 200 runs

[hexed willow]

There’s no difference though, no one else can get the dagger

[olive veldt]

am I just bad at managing my energy... keeps happening to me

[balmy condor]

Very normal

[oak tangle]

i know, but i would commit if they got one

[hexed willow]

So I’d rather have a rogue in my group and hope they’re going for the trinket

[slim hamlet]

Blindside AP build

[balmy condor]

Spec is slow

It’s just like that

You gotta pool

[hexed willow]

Literally my last 18 fall had an outlaw rogue get one with avoidance

[olive veldt]

ok, just wanted to make sure. been rewatching vids just in case. but appreciate the response/answer

[hexed willow]

I cried a little

[grave geode]

First try. 🙂

[slim hamlet]

oh shit

U reminded me to do that before daily rollover

[hexed willow]

And leech?

Shit very nice

[slim hamlet]

Wait

[hexed willow]

I’m tempted to go back now

[slim hamlet]

aint no body gonna be doing kazzak at 4 am is there

[hexed willow]

I didn’t know it could roll that

[astral mango]

some people have mastery around 3.5 crit 5k other peoples have mastery around 5k crit 3.5k. i dont know what to do. im so confused

[slim hamlet]

u guys think i can solo?

[slate crown]

u got this

[slim hamlet]

found a 440 tank friend

ez

[hexed willow]

Don’t look at stats

Just sim

Your stat percentage doesn’t matter

If the sim says, more vers, get more vers

If it says haste, go haste!

[junior aurora]

i got the belt this time

tried getting a dk to trade it to me but it was their highest neck rip

[slim hamlet]

almost there

actual 10+ min fight

[still stirrup]

Im always alone with kazzak, stuck on mag'har orc questline which I can't finish because I haven't done start of bfa

*can't be bothered to finish

[slim hamlet]

10 min later

[lucid rain]

tanks getting farmed

[slim hamlet]

Only problem I have had so far is 3rd boss

and having to explain zerg strat for 2nd boss 10 times a day

[lucid rain]

I'm going to ask you very politely

[slim hamlet]

That alone is rough enough

[lucid rain]

to do it an 11th time for me

[slim hamlet]

[lucid rain]

[slim hamlet]

I legit look like that

right now

[lucid rain]

LOL

[slim hamlet]

Zerg strat is just to absolutely omega nuke right add

and just interrupt revitalise

[lucid rain]

oh okay nothing whacky

[slim hamlet]

But you would be suprised how confuisng that is for pugs

[lucid rain]

lol

it's too bad the initial heal on revitalize is kinda big

could just purge it otherwise

[sick abyss]

where is that from?

[sick abyss]

^?

[slim hamlet]

where is what from

[lucid rain]

where is kazzak anyway?

[slim hamlet]

badlands

just ask mr orc dude in the cellar to tp u there

[lucid rain]

the cellar?

[slim hamlet]

port room cellar

[sick abyss]

does it pump is the real question

[lucid rain]

is this a bfa thing?

[vale lantern]

i wish i realized this neck sooner i shoulda been farming it 😮

[slim hamlet]

It's meh for sin and sub

or actually idk about sub

its meh for sin

But i got donkey kong 437 ilvl neck right now

[vale lantern]

its better than my 463 that just gives me a shield

[slim hamlet]

I would not be spending time farming it unless it is over 1% gain which it is

for me

[sick abyss]

what did everyone send there seccond spark on btw?

[slim hamlet]

just toxic patch spot ilvl upgrade

[lucid rain]

toxic patch crit/mastery belt

upgraded from 447

[vale lantern]

its a 0.8% upgrade

[sick abyss]

lifebound still im giesing?

guessing*~

[gusty mirage]

yeah

patch has to go on a LWing item

[sick abyss]

kk ty so much

[slim hamlet]

How come when we kill council

They don't die

they go "unconscious"

Like instead of dead it says unconscious

any lore nerds?

[gusty mirage]

they're napping

[slim hamlet]

I want to go unconscious too then

[gusty mirage]

fair

but tldr lore

they're just the guards of the tree

and attack anyone for any reason

so we don't kill them

[slim hamlet]

So they attack the dudes that are defending the place but not the dudes destroying the place

it is legit burning in the other hallway and they just chilling making our life hard

[gusty mirage]

there's flavor text from green dragon lady

that explains it

but you understandably didn't read it because who actually does

[slim hamlet]

idek who green dragon lady is

minethra

or something maybe

[gusty mirage]

the one that lets us dragon ride in the fire vajayjay to fight fyrakk

[slim hamlet]

oh

I thought we just did that ourselves

[gusty mirage]

bro they retconned like all of shadowlands

idk

[slim hamlet]

Smart

I was wondering how Ysera was just here

chilling

[oak tangle]

bruh i just dropped $300 on bedding

save me

i hate xmas period

[slim hamlet]

worth

someone will be happy

maybe possibly

[oak tangle]

yeah is some nice french flax linen

[slim hamlet]

I still have Stitch bedding

[waxen oyster]

oh yeah

[slim hamlet]

[waxen oyster]

didnt ysera get nightmared

and die

in legion

[slim hamlet]

the goat fr

[oak tangle]

malfurion sacrificed himself, for us to realise ysera can't do shit anymore

[sick abyss]

man belt is only a 900 dps incerase ~_~

[waxen oyster]

also cenarius

didnt we kill him

in EN

[slow needle]

Nope.

Just freed him from the Nightmare.

He's there at the end after Xavius.

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-radar-nerd-radar-nerd-emoji-goofy-gif-15206659345311799377

(yes I was the one to ask so what)

[rugged wadi]

so don't play branch?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

Look at the literal next message after the one u tagged

[balmy condor]

God will give me his strength

To not obliterate this man from the discord

[slim hamlet]

God has abandoned us

[hexed willow]

May you survive

[balmy condor]

I am weak in his eternal grace

[dusk sun]

does the hybrid m+ build do better ST than shock m+ build?

[hexed willow]

This challenge you now face

[balmy condor]

And shall be granted the mental fortitude

[hexed willow]

Amen

[balmy condor]

To overcome this and future hardships

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-sad-sad-cat-cat-meme-gif-12065013016370441684

[hexed willow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[rugged wadi]

i'm innocent

[earnest canopy]

is there some kind of bug with priest spells bringing you out of stealth known about right now? kept getting pulled out of stealth in a dungeon looked like it was when priest was casting something on me

[slim hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

!stealth

hm

[slim hamlet]

lol

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-cat-mad-going-insane-going-crazy-gif-24274574

[slim hamlet]

noob

[gusty mirage]

what was the command

[slim hamlet]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
• Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
• some mistweaver thing related to their statue

[slim hamlet]

ez

[gusty mirage]

neat

[slow needle]

Don't do that. Just send them to Outlaw.

[slim hamlet]

(i was so afraid it was the wrong command and u could noob me back)

[rugged wadi]

i mean im playing branch and coiled sepent right noiw

[oak tangle]

!noob

[slim hamlet]

Way too harsh of a faith

[gusty mirage]

its okay I'll forget it tomorrow

[oak tangle]

this is how you do it ok

!stealth

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
• Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
• some mistweaver thing related to their statue

[gusty mirage]

then you wait for someone to type the right one

big brain

[slim hamlet]

holy

tech

bro deleted the old one

[gusty mirage]

I mean I can just update the sheet to include !stealth

lol

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slow needle]

Best way to learn the right answer online is to say something wrong.

[slim hamlet]

the earth is round

[gusty mirage]

I'm a big fan of the fact that we keep adding commands, and no one knows to type !help to see them

[oak tangle]

the earth isn't round

it's spherical

verr diff

[slim hamlet]

prove it

[lucid rain]

it's an oblate spheroid

[thorn fjord]

Which M+ Build are we running this week?

[slow needle]

Nice try bud. But the correct statement for this effect would be "The earth is flat"

[thorn fjord]

Arterial?

[eternal heath]

Whichever you want

[gusty mirage]

I'm playing AP

[odd dew]

does nick of time

[gusty mirage]

but w/ venom rush & BS

[odd dew]

drop from fall

[gusty mirage]

ye

[slow needle]

Akshually, its an oblate spheroid.

[odd dew]

because im 50 deep

[slim hamlet]

[rugged wadi]

BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsRSkkIBAAAAAAItkItkAAAAAAAtWSCSgkkSaBRkEJJJJRpViEA

[odd dew]

and haven seen 1

[lucid rain]

spheroid

[static hedge]

in m+, do you keep up crimson tempest on ST like bosses?

[slim hamlet]

it's an oval

[drifting cloud]

no

[lucid rain]

I'm just having a laugh dw

I really don't care

[oak tangle]

oval is 2d though

[fast phoenix]

When fighting 5+ mobs, after the burst is over, should I try to maintain all dots on all of the mobs or just focus on one target with caustic spatter?

[slim hamlet]

Can be 3d too

the name is not restricting it to 2d

[slow needle]

So am I xD
I just always insert that one since a dude in my uni class corrected a fucking professor over it and I giggle every time I do it now.

[slim hamlet]

does it?

oh apparently a 3d oval is an ovoid

fucking nerd names

[slow needle]

Ye, shapes get super specific names.

[slim hamlet]

I have never not just used the 2d name for 3d objects

nor ever heard anyone use them

besides sphere I suppose

[slow needle]

Not even cube?

[lucid rain]

cone?

cylinder?

[slow needle]

Pyramid.

[slim hamlet]

ALright I take it back

fucking nerds

[lucid rain]

[slim hamlet]

I mean these specific ahh ones then

[keen spruce]

I think

[lucid rain]

what is a 3d trapezoid anyway?

trapezoidoid?

[slim hamlet]

trapeoid

[keen spruce]

i'll need to do some truely illegal keys to get to 3k this week

[eternal heath]

[slow needle]

Trapezoidal Prism

[lucid rain]

should be easy mr 500 ilvl

[slim hamlet]

legit why

why is it not consistant in any way

[torn atlas]

Do we just send Ashes every deathmark, or a bit later due to the way it degrades?

[balmy condor]

I have collected screenshots for the next time someone asks if branch bad please ping me if it happens

[balmy condor]

3 seconds into kingsbane

[still stirrup]

Since when is the english language consistent about anything

[eternal heath]

guys why is branch bad

[slim hamlet]

oh god

[keen spruce]

bruther i just click the button

[lucid rain]

whispyr has the judgment cannon loaded

[slim hamlet]

@balmy condor

[keen spruce]

if there's mechanics

[lucid rain]

waiting for a hapless target

[keen spruce]

i ignore the bubbles

if there's no mechanics

i do the bubbles dance

[torn atlas]

Thanks again whispyr ❤️

[keen spruce]

[slow needle]

Anyone willing to sacrifice themselves to test it for the cause?

[eternal heath]

I pray that some mechanic doesnt fuck my opener or have to sit and hold it for 30s

[glass fulcrum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1gbAFNL6xhiDqDRjPNWzes
why accelerating is sims a lil higher than ash?

[balmy condor]

Double on use sucks

[lucid rain]

best part is being constrained to being in the silence circle during shade of xavius

[eternal heath]

Because double use

[lucid rain]

your silence buddy just looking at you like wtf

[slim hamlet]

That's more or less the only fight where I wish I had acrobatic strikes

[torn atlas]

There's some mobs, think maybe mini dragon in doti that have weirdly small hit boxes which mess with me for melee range.

[slim hamlet]

Yea they are annoying, standing right in the middle of them but IC doesn't hit

But acro doesn't work with IC anyways

[torn atlas]

Otherwise I haven't had as much trouble as I thought I would have without it.

[rugged wadi]

Has anyone played M+ with action targeting option?

[deep latch]

We did it boys

[slim hamlet]

[keen spruce]

[tough gorge]

Emerald shadowfang dagger is pretty crap

[slim hamlet]

what is that even

[tough gorge]

Drops from green dream dragon

[slim hamlet]

idk what that is either

[balmy condor]

I googled it

It’s apparently very expensive csgo knives

[keen spruce]

[slate crown]

silly

[slim hamlet]

[slate crown]

shadowfang is a sword

[tough gorge]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=20578/emerald-dragonfang

[slate crown]

not a dagger

[slim hamlet]

oh

inniversary shit?

[tough gorge]

Dragonfang my bad

[keen spruce]

what expansion are you playing

[tough gorge]

Wanted to see what these world bosses are about. This dragon sucks

[slim hamlet]

I honestly can't wait for shadowlands classic

to play sub kyrian pvp

[slow needle]

How about no.

[slim hamlet]

gonna be sick

[slow needle]

I would love it if they just had gear vendors.

Let me slam M+ for like a week on a pre-geared char in S3. Try the broken shit I didn't have time to at the time.

But I dunno, not into any more than that.

[clever perch]

so, u guys playing arterial or hybrid this week?

what's ur feeling on both

[keen spruce]

they're exactly the same

except i like the noise blindside makes

so i play ap

[clever perch]

ap?

[slow needle]

Arterial Precision.

[clever perch]

oh ok xD

[haughty flicker]

[storm forum]

Arterial Precision, AP, it's what we call arterial shock because we're pretensious or something

[clever perch]

xDD

[storm forum]

Arterial Shock is just some clickbait shit Whispyr came up with for the views

It works though

Doing fat numbers

[clever perch]

@balmy condor they catch u here

[storm forum]

Going to make a whole dime this week

[clever perch]

btw, how are u guys managing embellishments?

[balmy condor]

Damn, thought I was getting pinged to unload the cannon

But instead it’s just some dumb nonsense

[storm forum]

Do it whispyr

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[clever perch]

did u go for the 486 toxic patch or just craft something droptimizer based

[storm forum]

Idk what the cannon is

[clever perch]

unload it

[storm forum]

But you gotta unload the toad

[haughty flicker]

we all know what the cannon is

[storm forum]

BLENDER LETS GOOOOOO

[balmy condor]

The cannon is pointed at people saying branch sucks

[storm forum]

Nyooooo.

[lucid silo]

hardly knew her

[storm forum]

Nyooooom

Branch sucks

Cause I haven't looted it yet

[clever perch]

any1 went for anything else than toxic patch 486?

[storm forum]

But I've won 3 ashes

So I'm using that

I might make a BSL

Idk

Haven't gotten second spark piece yet

And there's only like 2 pure ST bosses in the raid

And I trust my healers to give me the juice

[haughty flicker]

i wasted the free wyrm craft so i just recrafted toxic patch to 463

too many actual useful things to spend crests on this week

[lucid silo]

i have CSB, counterweight, mirror, and bandolier. but still no branch or hourglass

[storm forum]

Mirror and bandolier probably crank in m+ at least

[lucid silo]

yea but 2 on use feels kinda bleh

[storm forum]

Fair

[slim hedge]

Now ima say it. Branch sucks - when there are 7 players with the same trinket and you have 0 idea whose orb is whose at a certain point when fights are a little hectic

[storm forum]

If I craft BSL, do cloak for damage?

[balmy condor]

Run in a triangle you don’t have to look at your orbs quit bitching shitter branch > ashes by a million miles

[slim hedge]

I'm broken. The cannon has unloaded

Nah branch is lit

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[balmy condor]

Triangle gang

[junior aurora]

people say double on use sucks but they both sim the highest separately

surely they do the most together

[haughty flicker]

surely

[balmy condor]

Run right run left stand still

No eyes required

[gusty mirage]

ryolith wandered out of OT

[balmy condor]

I could train an ape to play branch

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-nikolaj-coster-waldau-gif-4536538

[junior aurora]

oxi i been in here since the patch dropped

sin can do aoe = i play sin

[bleak eagle]

im prob doing somemthign wrong but anyone else feel a bit energry starved st with the m+ build

[gusty mirage]

that's normal

[balmy condor]

Nope that’s the spec

[slim hedge]

That's normal. You just have to pool sometimes

[bleak eagle]

having a hard time keeping dots up plus chaing envenom

[balmy condor]

Good, it should be hard

That’s the gameplay

[bleak eagle]

yea

[balmy condor]

Gotta pool

[magic sapphire]

Is it noob to use hekili?

[slim hedge]

Getting big burst off with Kb and trinkets on a big healthy boy. Then just pop those envenoms for the caustic

[lone jasper]

But can u train us

[frigid maple]

I got a mythic track belt and wrists, can i craft toxified armor on another good piece? Like cloak i dont think i can?

[balmy condor]

It’s not noob, it’s just wrong

[magic sapphire]

Why is it wrong

[balmy condor]

Because it’s a dogshit addon

It doesn’t play properly

[frigid maple]

Or do i just have to craft it anyway on one of those

[balmy condor]

Has to be a leatherworking piece

[frigid maple]

Well shit. Rip belt or bracers then probably

[storm forum]

BSL on weapon gang

Actually waot don't do that

Nick of time is not a crafted piece

[past bobcat]

which build are people running on tryn rn?

[haughty flicker]

whichever one i happen to click on first

normally ap because blindside go brrr

[hexed willow]

Whispyr when’s your next video gonna be? I miss them 😦

[bleak eagle]

me to

[magic sapphire]

Whispr then what do you suggest for a noob that just started assass

[hexed willow]

Read wowhead/watch his videos and practice it a lot

Sin is very much a practice makes perfect spec

[bleak eagle]

^

[hexed willow]

And learning the why to u do things makes it really smooth

[magic sapphire]

Wowhead guides are basically hekili on paper

[haughty flicker]

yeah fuck guides

guides are for fucking losers

[hexed willow]

Like quick you have 6s left on improved garrote, 2s left on rupture, and you have 1s on subterfuge. What do you press?

[jade iron]

sir i didnt study for a test

[hexed willow]

But Jordan what would you do

[jade iron]

garrote probably

might depend on cp? in reality id panic

[charred mango]

Rupture if you have cp?

[jade iron]

id definitely garrote

[hexed willow]

always garrote. pandemic and subterfuge gives it big damage

[bleak eagle]

its garrote

[hexed willow]

But its concepts like that of understanding your tree is how you adapt

[charred mango]

Do we care about overwriting an improved garrote?

[hexed willow]

Cause there’s so many plates spinning and helkili can only do so much

[hexed willow]

6s means it’s pandemic so it gets added on

But you only want to do that with another imp garrote, since the time gets added but not the damage

[bleak eagle]

with an improved garrote only

[charred mango]

I was thinking the new garrote would be non improved but I guess that’s not the case

[bleak eagle]

subterfuge gives it

[hexed willow]

Yup as long as it’s from stealth/subterfuge, it’s improved

It’s actually fun to do a imp garrote from a normal garrote

Because then you have a pandemic’d imp garrote

[bleak eagle]

i actually have a question if u want to do a quick opener can i double garrote not pandemic window or is that trollign just do 1

[slate crown]

do 1

[storm forum]

Idk how to tell you this, but if you're tracking this, ur a nerd

Feel crafting 4 lyfe

Press the buttons when it feels right lads

[hexed willow]

You could theoretically do 2 for exactly 6 combo points

[tall atlas]

What’s the general rule with death mark

[storm forum]

Be content with your 0 parse

[tall atlas]

Always with improved garrotte

[hexed willow]

Use on cd in conjunction with shiv -> SD/KB and imp garrote/rupture

[storm forum]

You should always have SD up with DM to get imp gar

[hexed willow]

Quick opener you’re actually dropping rupture

[tall atlas]

Have the imp bleeds up first?

[storm forum]

Imp gar inside DM

[slate crown]

No, deathmarkfirst. Wowhead opener section has the entire sequence

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hexed willow]

^ guides are all fantastic

[tall atlas]

I’v r read it

Just asking some knowledge gaps of mine

[hexed willow]

You also want to use trinkets/external haste DM

[slate crown]

all g

[hexed willow]

asking is the best way forward besides practice

May we convert you to the way of sin

[tall atlas]

There was a rule about dm is s1 was just checking

[storm forum]

Env > dm > shiv >sd*+kb > imp gar typically

[bleak eagle]

our second go around with dm doesnt have an improved garrote on press right?

[storm forum]

Then feel craft it out

Sometimes you feel like you can NS rup without dropping env, sometimes you can't idk

[hexed willow]

It does

You should have an improved garrote every KB

[slate crown]

I just kinda ignore ns rupture now, unless it happens to be fading during dance/vanish

[bleak eagle]

yea

its a second late tho

right

[slate crown]

It is after you have danced, correct

This is fine

[bleak eagle]

ok

[hexed willow]

and I’m pretty sure it’s still a dps gain to imp garrote over your opener garrote (non pandemic)

[bleak eagle]

ok

[hexed willow]

But not sure gonna have to test

[oak tangle]

if you don't you will have garrote drop before vanish timing

[slate crown]

Yes, you garrote as soon as you dance unless you have 4+ cp, in which case you garrote a second later

[hexed willow]

Yeah no I meant delaying it to the 2nd or 3rd gcd

Instead of the 1st

[slate crown]

doesn't matter

[hexed willow]

Damn

[slate crown]

we garrote during the vanish anyways

like it'll get extended as much as possible regardless

[solid void]

One thing I don't fully understand about the aoe rotation: do we swap out envenom for crimson tempest entirely after 4+ targets? Or do we still aim to keep up envenom?

[clever perch]

???

[hexed willow]

Do y’all rupture in vanish?

[oak tangle]

CT is no longer spammable

[hexed willow]

CT changed its a dot now

[slate crown]

No, CT is a dot, it does not have instant damage. You upkeep it as a dot, but otherwise you envenom

[solid void]

That's clear, thank you

[slim pebble]

No Nick or branch tonight 😪

[slate crown]

Not usually, I will if it happens to be in pandemic

but otherwise I just envenom

[hexed willow]

It feels so minor 😦

Compared to garrote in stealth

[tall jay]

In raid - how do we do the aoe stuff or cleave? Do priority target and FoKs

[oak tangle]

depends on whether you wanna pad

[storm forum]

I've found that in the opener, if I don't NS rup inside DM, rup is usually right in the pandemic window during the last global of vanish window, so I press it if I notice.

[tall jay]

I want to win? lol

[oak tangle]

i'd argue fok is pad on nearly all cleave fights

but, i guess it's ok for the cp

[slate crown]

Yup, typically this only happens on the opener one for me, but that's the most common time for me

[storm forum]

If I think I'll generate more CP with fan than mut, I'll fan. Which is basically just penultimate boss

Cause like 15 roots in melee

Maybe a bit on Fyrak in p2

[oak tangle]

i don't think i'd fok in a kb window

[slate crown]

Honestly there are other classes that annihilate most of the adds before we have a chance to touch most of them

But if there are adds alive

[tall jay]

So we just ST

Straight up

[slate crown]

I use fok outside of kingsbane, I prio during kingsbane

[oak tangle]

you can put in spatter, but it's kinda padding, but ethical

[hexed willow]

^ FoN for more envenom, not to pad

[storm forum]

That's fair, but not every root set is in a kb window

[hexed willow]

Otherwise it’s just spatter or IC during council

[oak tangle]

yeah but fok is less poison procs on main target, hence notinside kb

[storm forum]

I love spattering all over them

[tall jay]

Ok. I will try it thanks

[hexed willow]

But potentially 1 less gcd in between each envenom

[gusty mirage]

[oak tangle]

yeah but potentially 16 poson applications

vs 4

[hexed willow]

What?

Those are to other targets

[oak tangle]

dm, muti, dtb

4 x 2 x 2

[gusty mirage]

you don't mutilate during KB windows

so

there goes that math ig

[oak tangle]

que?

[hexed willow]

What do you mean

[storm forum]

We ambush

[gusty mirage]

you press ambush

because you're in shadowdance

[hexed willow]

You can mutilate though

[gusty mirage]

yes

[slate crown]

(Or you can mutilate)

The difference is very minor

[gusty mirage]

you can

[slate crown]

like very minor

like inconsequentially minor

[gusty mirage]

but you should be ambushing

[storm forum]

(Mut for that +.03% dps increase)

[hexed willow]

Tbh that aspect is regardless cause the poison application argument is the one I don’t agree with

[slate crown]

u cant tell me what to do

[oak tangle]

i am confused

[gusty mirage]

I didn't, I told you what you should be doing (:

if you wanna mutilate go for it

[oak tangle]

there is at least 5 seconds in kb window where you cannot ambush (pending blindside)

[blazing totem]

what if you need to reapply spatter?

[hexed willow]

You reapply splatter?

[ruby birch]

ambush reapplies caustic splatter

[hexed willow]

Ambush and multi both apply it

[ruby birch]

also is this something new

i swear my sim was mutilating

[gusty mirage]

you ambush whenever you can

[hexed willow]

Oxi if I answer questions so people don’t @ whispyr, is that good for the channel

[blazing totem]

that makes sense

[gusty mirage]

so if you're pushing mutilate during dance

you're doing it wrong

[oak tangle]

my setup wont let me press mut if ambush is ready

[gusty mirage]

then you're good to go

[storm forum]

I'm like 99% sure there's a time to press mut instead of ambush inside SD for an inconsequential dps increase but I don't remember if it was just like during PI and/or execute or something else.

[ruby birch]

the sims lied

[oak tangle]

but im still confised about those 5 seconds where mut is the only thing available

[gusty mirage]

no, dance lasts 6s, you mutilate outside of dance

[ruby birch]

that mut is inside dance

[hexed willow]

^

[ruby birch]

for why

[storm forum]

Both those mut are inside dance yeah

[gusty mirage]

that sample is from one iteration

[hexed willow]

Sims want you to muti in dance!

[ruby birch]

i resim, that sim is a couple day old

[oak tangle]

it is a minor optimisation, to do with big poison stacks, cause ambush only hits once

[hexed willow]

But regardless

[storm forum]

Can you check later in the sim too? To see if it's just inside DM or just with hero?

[hexed willow]

Where’s the 16 coming from memz

[ruby birch]

ill check in the newer one

[storm forum]

Ty

[charred mango]

Doesn’t mut potentially proc poisons more than an ambush?

[oak tangle]

dm = 2 x poison, dtb = 4 poisons, mut = 2 hits = 2x4x2 = 16

[ruby birch]

new in lust

its a lust thing?

maybe

[slate crown]

(It is a deathmark thing)

[gusty mirage]

also during DM

you have more energy

[ruby birch]

its a deathmark thing

dude wait that makes so much sense

[storm forum]

Nice we're making sense

[hexed willow]

Why?

[storm forum]

I hate sense

Mut is double the poison chance than ambush, so during dm+kb it makes sense

[ruby birch]

im guessing the double hit from mut is only worth with the double from DM

but without the 2x from DM its just worse than ambush

[gusty mirage]

it's mostly an energy pooling issue

[storm forum]

So the sim/apl finds it outweighs the other advantages of ambush

[ruby birch]

ambush and mut are same cost no? or how do you mean

[slate crown]

(By 75-100 dps)

[gusty mirage]

you're guaranteed 3cp with ambush

[slate crown]

Just to be clear, this is a very minor change in terms of impact

[gusty mirage]

vs 2,3, or 4 with mutilate depending on crits

[hexed willow]

But no longer in favor of what

[gusty mirage]

like we're talking the smallest of energy optimizations here right

it's 1 cp

[hexed willow]

Always mutilate besides blindside or always ambush? 0.002%

[ruby birch]

yeah thats giga small

[gusty mirage]

for bad rolls on mut

[storm forum]

Yeah fractions of % of dps increase that I don't care enough for

But it's fun to think about

[oak tangle]

kinda deviating from the original question, which was whether to fok or mut/amb on cleave raid bosses

[storm forum]

Cause I'm deranged

[hexed willow]

I just made a macro

[ruby birch]

but now i will begin ambushing in non DM windows

[hexed willow]

It’s super easy to always mutilate or always ambush

[gusty mirage]

you still follow basic building rules, fok on 3+

obviously mutilate/ambush to keep up spatter

[hexed willow]

If there’s enough for the combo point guarantee, yes

[ruby birch]

also not to be a nuisance, but super short answer to why dont we refresh rupture in dance every time? why is it only in non DM windows? is it just trying to maximize KB within DM

[oak tangle]

yeah, but inside a kb window is the curious part, because fok will give cp, but lower poison applications, just curious as to which tops in terms of prio damage

[gusty mirage]

not a nuisance at all, refreshing rupture in dance can make envenom uptime awkward

[storm forum]

Afaik, NS rup is more minor than guaranteed env uptime

[gusty mirage]

essentially we gain more from ensuring envenom uptime during KB than we would snapshotting nightstalker into the rupture

[hexed willow]

More envenom are good and stealth rupture is kinda small

They explained it so much better damn

I tried to kept it short

[slate crown]

Like honestly

I kind of regret making my snapshot rupture wa

Not really, I still track it

but it's so minor

garrote is the important one

[gusty mirage]

it's more of a QoL thing, because you want as much nightstalker damage caked into all our dots, but dropping envenom hurts more than reapplying a non-NS'd rupture

[hexed willow]

Yeah I feel that. Cause I always snapshot when I can, and it’s not the right call during the KB window

[ruby birch]

okay i think i get it, im assuming DM just amplifies that and its moreso a non problem outside of DM hence why the sim is always refreshing rupture in non DM dances

that or my ashes is making it do that

[slate crown]

Also like, even on the damage itself, envenom critting due to MA = entire envenom damage is a crit, instead of a rupture application NS which is only 10% on the entire dot, the damage of envenom is compressed and if MA crits with it, it's more overall damage. It's a gamble but like, it's also way simpler

And sims point to the differences being minor so like

So, do the simpler option, make your brain think less

[gusty mirage]

yeah so it's essentially tossing out the NS'd rupture every now and then for less for the brain to process

[ruby birch]

yeah ive never really ruptured in dances, always thought envenom was more worth but saw the sim be a lil weird outside DM

[half moss]

!plater

[ruby birch]

so i figured id ask to actually understand

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[half moss]

my hero

[slate crown]

I mean if rupture is falling off, you should rupture

[ruby birch]

im a sub player at heart so i always maint outside dance

[gusty mirage]

plus we run into the issue of a lot of us having "REFRESH RUPTURE" caked into our brains from playing for so long

[ruby birch]

although now sub ruptures in dance

[hexed willow]

^

[oak tangle]

if it's not in pandemic, it's not in my brain

[gusty mirage]

I still do it all the time and I always yell at myself when I do it

and I've dropped envenom for a few seconds in a kb window

and I just cry

[half moss]

hey, just getting into assassin for mythic after doing for raid, any important tips to remember? watching wispyrs aoe rotation now. im assuming his plater profile is good for watching poisons

[hexed willow]

Same oxi feels bad

[slate crown]

Both the profile options above are good. I personally use Cev's

[hexed willow]

Maintain your dots. Seriously if things go to shit your first priority to recover is to reapply your garrotes and ruptures

[gusty mirage]

also count on whatever you decide to kingsbane on trash, will almost always get griefed by the DH doing 5239847329848923 damage with their trinkets

[half moss]

"if things go to shit" tips are welcome lmao

[slate crown]

Considering changing my WA for rupture, which sucks because i've tried EXTREMELY HARD to keep it in close parity with rupture for maintainability

[main blaze]

"ALRIGHT KB THIS GUY" ... "fuck he is dying fast"

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'm considering removing the NS snapshot from mine

[gusty mirage]

then sudden demise shows up behind you and hits you with an aluminium bat

[slate crown]

I mean it's super easy to remove the condition and make it stop showing it but then it's doing performance work for nothing

Thinking about how I want to handle it

[storm forum]

God I love sudden demise

[hexed willow]

Yeah m+ is all about using all your utility, and sometimes things go downhill. Biggest other thing is knowing your KB target and using it. On trash. It’s incredible funnel damage

[half moss]

considering removing the alert for rupture for what reason?

[hexed willow]

Specifically night stalker

[slate crown]

Because it's very minor, can scroll up to see our discussion on why

[half moss]

i figured as much, im doing 20s and such on outlaw, so the funnel concept isnt new

[half moss]

will do ty

[gusty mirage]

I obsess over trying to keep both garrote and rupture snapshotted with nightstalker and it causes me to int my KB windows every now and then

[slate crown]

Yeah even my brain skips every now and then

[hexed willow]

Sin’s playstyle is fun though, coming from law

[slate crown]

and I incorrectly think I'm a gcd off

[hexed willow]

Its structured chaos

[slate crown]

and I garrote right after dance

intending it to be the final gcd of dance

[gusty mirage]

sudden demise hard carrying our trash damage sometimes

[slate crown]

but it is one off becuas I don' count gud

[hexed willow]

Sudden demise in tyrannical weeks is gnarly

[gusty mirage]

man the rework for assassination made it so much fun in keys

I wish I enjoyed pugging more

[hexed willow]

Pugging isn’t terrible

Its just less fun

[woeful hollow]

Anyone know how to have non blindside ambush replace mutilate?

[half moss]

played nothing but sub until this season, and outlaw is making my wrist turning to stone lol. assassin supa fun

[subtle tundra]

Hard fucking my kbs

[hexed willow]

[stance:2] is subterfuge/SD

[gusty mirage]

/cast [stance] Ambush; Mutilate

this is what I use

[hexed willow]

Oh I did it backwards

[gusty mirage]

I don't think stance 2 is wrong

cause before they used to do all the shapeshifting/warrior stance dancing stuff on dif numbered stance bars

so stance2 should work

[woeful hollow]

its not working do i just make the macro and replace my mutilate with it?

Oh i didnt have it put on my stealth bar

[gusty mirage]

ya, should ambush when in stealth/dance and should mutilate outside of those situations

[woeful hollow]

it works now thanks

[gusty mirage]

[hexed willow]

Stance 2 does work but my intention was for them to mutilate in shadow dance

As opposed to ambush elsewhere

[slate crown]

how does that work

I don't think macros can distinguish dance from other types of stealth

can they?

[hexed willow]

It can

Stealth is 1

Subterfuge/SD is 2

So theeefore you can always ambush from stealth/blindside but mutilate from SD/subterfuge

[quaint hull]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fallen raven]

made 400k from normal curios (300k week 1, 100k this week) and still got 4pc this week, bless up

[dusty olive]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[solid mica]

anybody tried a couple versions of builds in m+? the dtb build kinda felt a little energy starved to me

[hexed willow]

Shock is pretty fun, I do love blindside

[tawdry flare]

No but I just simmed some talent changes for raid and nearly fell of my rocker when I saw the DPS loss after removing Sanguine Blades.

[solid mica]

yea not having blindside feels down tremendous

[neat horizon]

why is it called arterial shock when there's not a single ability called like this ?

[solid mica]

?

[neat horizon]

I tried searching in the talent points

theres arterial precision

but cant make the shock

[dusk onyx]

Same with crackhead build for outkek, cant find it

[neat horizon]

its crackshot there

and you can find that lol

or wait, is it called crackhead?

[neat horizon]

HAHAHA

i cba man

[slow needle]

If you wanna invent some lore for the name. Toxic Shock is a real thing.

Caused by infections and stuff.

[tawdry flare]

It takes Arterial Precision and Sudden Demise.

[neat horizon]

Yeah i remember that one, used to be in bfa pvp honor talents aswell i think no?

if you envenom with full CPS

[tawdry flare]

Arterial... Shock

[gaunt moat]

Don't think they want to promote me after I made the staff feel "fear of attack" in their words

[slow needle]

You're thinking of System Shock. Unless they did name change it.

[neat horizon]

Oh then yeah thats probably it

[oak tangle]

😮

[gaunt moat]

The number in % is just amount of poisons applied * 20
so 1360 = 68 stacks of poisons.
it's not actually multiplied, it's additive damage to each tick.
The damage might be low because you just didn't crit is my guess.

[oak tangle]

true, could also be how early into the window the stacks applied

[gaunt moat]

It had to be pretty late. you can't add stacks 68 in 3 seconds hah.
I'm wondering if it's better to just write the amount of stacks instead of how much bonus damage.
I went for the "big number more fun".

[balmy condor]

hey, dont.

[half moss]

okay review after first mythic as assassin. yes. all my yes.

[gaunt moat]

Add me to the wa list

[neat horizon]

Its nice how we're probably the best raid spec in the game right now

Which places us on top of blizzard's list

[lucid silo]

if you have PI and aug

[neat horizon]

i mean we're talking about raid

you probably have those almost always

[lucid silo]

not every raid will necessarily have those

[mint valve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt moat]

and yet top guilds use subtlety.
just cause it has better encoutner timings and it's on par with assassiantion.

[neat horizon]

Not all bosses though

they're opting for Sub on smolderon and Fyrakk due to the damage profile

and whats the issue in that ? its still rogue

just saying that as a class we're dominating this tier

[gaunt moat]

You said spec before 👀

[slate crown]

Rogue goodge 👍

[sullen mural]

cant wait to get nerfed to the ground next week

[solid mica]

it'll be great cause no1 realizes the rogues in rwf are getting pi+aug so theyre giga juiced. then we'll go back to never getting pi

[neat horizon]

fuck it i mean rogue :3

[lucid silo]

it's fine we'll just reroll ezpz

[sullen mural]

true

working on my lock rn that class is litterally always good

[neat horizon]

i mean if you see the leaderboards, each boss has atleast one rogue in the top 10 with no PI

[lucid silo]

lets all go survival hunter

[sullen mural]

ew

[gaunt moat]

I'll do you one better
nerf PI

then problem is solved

for all specs

[sullen mural]

There is litterally

A single rogue in top 10

that didnt get pi

[neat horizon]

and its also amazing being one of the top PI specs, i was running normal Fyrakk yesterday for the mount then 3 priests just decided to PI me together and my log got erased from existence

[sullen mural]

on all bosses

[solid mica]

not saying the spec isn't strong, it wouldn't be talked about if it wasn't, but when's the last time you saw rogues topping leaderboards

[neat horizon]

wow vanilla

[gaunt moat]

[neat horizon]

yeah there you go dude lmao

[gaunt moat]

They didn't even PI me in the correct times

[solid mica]

lol hell yea

[solid mica]

to what, outlaw?

[sullen mural]

Guardian in SOD assa was pretty high up

[solid mica]

we got a license to blast, and it better not get suspended, and if it does I BETTER see dh in the fucking dirt

[neat horizon]

same tbh

DH already whips us in m+

[sullen mural]

BRO THINkS DH IS GETTING NERFED

DOES HE KNOW

[neat horizon]

Like, yesterday Zerocool went to this DHT +25 and said "alright im going ST spec to blast the bosses since dh gonna blast the packs" and he ended up getting blasted on both the bosses and the packs

[solid mica]

what that realz does both?

[lucid silo]

Looking at DH logs is hilarious cause it's like 2 abilities are all the damage

[solid mica]

also if they nerf our cd's kinda fucks us in m+ too :/

[gaunt moat]

How easy/hard is DH to play compared to sin?

[jade abyss]

Is there a way to highlight nameplates they are affected from caustic spatter?

[wispy chasm]

Is there anything posted regarding optimal branch usage? im assuming you would want the biggest mastery buff during the KB window but should I try to keep weaker but longer?

[neat horizon]

literally a walk in the park

[runic hinge]

1/1/7

[oak tangle]

that is not true

[wispy chasm]

Ty friend!

[slow needle]

Imagine getting PIs. Myself and the other rogue are lucky to get Ebon Might xD

[junior aurora]

that was true in bfa

havoc now is probably harder than sin to do optimal damage

[neat horizon]

you dont have to multi dot, to ramp, to watch out for a buff running out

[slow needle]

And rl refuses to talk about PI assignments at all.

[wispy chasm]

and is cast time right at DM in the rotation or later?

[neat horizon]

you immo aura, eye beam fel rush and you blade dance

insta 800k dps

[runic hinge]

Yes, right on DM and that's when you pick up each ball

[lucid silo]

DH is pretty easy to do well in, optimal momentum is dumb and they should get rid of that garbage

[oak tangle]

DH has always been about no downtime and using correct GCD's, that is even more so how they play now

[past forum]

So to touch in an earlier convo about ns ruptures….is it worth refreshing rupture in dance if we know we’ll still have full envenom uptime (rich with seal fate/blindside procs or whatever)? Or would that rupture just be better off as another envenom anyway?

[wispy chasm]

perfect, thank you for the help!

[neat horizon]

You must be joking lol

Im alting dh aswell

its literally nothing compared to sin

or outlaw

in terms of simplicity

[junior aurora]

in raid?

[neat horizon]

you got instant damage

[junior aurora]

sin is so easy in raid

[neat horizon]

nah i thought we were talking about m+

[runic hinge]

I rupture in dance for snapshot on the KB without vanish

Dunno if that's correct

[junior aurora]

its fine if its the non vanish KB but i also don't think its a huge gain

[oak tangle]

i mean alot of us are going to biased either, cause we don't find sin hard at all. but i normally swap between maining dh, sin and mw. and i can say that dh is more complex than sin

[slate crown]

It's going to be a sliding scale, if you literally just ruptured before dance with full CP, rupturing again is going to essentially waste a bunch of the energy/cp you spent on that first rupture, even though it snaps it to higher damage for the next rupture (and carries forward 30% via pandemic). There will be a point based on how close to the previous rupture between where it is better value to rupture, or better value to envenom.

Do you want to do that math/time comparison every time you dance rupture? I do not. -> Envenom. It's not much of a gain anyways. If your rupture is in pandemic anyways, rupture. If not, envenom, is how I think about it.

[solid mica]

yea but we have the better discord so we deserve to do more dmg

[oak tangle]

all specs need proper gcd usage, but dh requires on the fly decisions, where sin you have plannign time

[lucid silo]

We have Lord fuu's spreadsheet

[solid mica]

reward all our hardworking TC and mods by letting them blast, give the people what they want

[past forum]

Sounds like a “just envenom” angle to me

[slate crown]

[solid mica]

idk if outlaw is included but no shot it's more on the fly than that

[past forum]

I’ll leave the refreshing ruptures in dance to our silly little sub brothers

[oak tangle]

i wasn't including it no

[strange python]

im presing most of my buttons at a good time but why are my parses kinda mid

can anyone tell me why

[oak tangle]

post a log

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/stormrage/jackkpot

[neat horizon]

is it weird if im having a much different experience ? Im finding that its super easy for me to do dmg on dh with little to no preparation

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k23ywzVHBLhfvxQA#fight=18&type=damage-done - this to be more specific since this is a patchwerk boss

[neat horizon]

like, your setup is instant

you immo aura, fel rush and thats the setup you need

[oak tangle]

not weird at all, are you normally a dh main?

[neat horizon]

i was a dh main for multiple expansion packs yes , just not DF

[oak tangle]

and how about rogue?

[junior aurora]

first thing i saw was you used your trinket way early

[neat horizon]

i started rogue last season ^^

[oak tangle]

there's why dh is easier for you XD

[strange python]

when am i supposed to? i know with deathmark

[junior aurora]

yeah you used it like 4 gcds before deathmark

[neat horizon]

lol yeah could be the case

[strange python]

i was tryna account for the orb travel time

[junior aurora]

its accounted for with using it with deathmark

[strange python]

ohhh

good morning

[junior aurora]

if you use it too early it wont buff your last few kingsbane ticks which is where most of the damage comes in

[strange python]

quick question

what is peak burst opener we can archieve ? more than 1mil or only less

[junior aurora]

depends