#assassination

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slim hamlet
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Yes

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But we all know fun is not fun

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dmg is fun

gusty mirage
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it used to do damage in 9.1

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then it got forgotten

gusty sleet
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@slim hamlet Because they punch stuff

hexed willow
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Imagine spinning plates but you’re behind the curtain and no one is allowed to see you

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That’s ww

gusty sleet
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And mine is a panda and looks adrokable

slim hamlet
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I remember it did dmg on that one fight in sanctum

gusty mirage
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soulrender

slim hamlet
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yep

gusty mirage
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it cranked in aoe as well

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now it does nothing good

slim hamlet
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gg

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They had their run

hexed willow
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I feel like it’s balanced around touch of death

gusty mirage
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wtf

slim hamlet
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2 years ago on one boss

gusty mirage
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they've never had their run

slim hamlet
gusty mirage
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ww has always been rotating between giga or dogshit

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with zero in between

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SEF has been bugged for like 17 million years

ornate pier
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How big is aoe for Caustic spatter? In yards

slim hamlet
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Is anyone working on that spec or is it like an intern when they have nothing else to do

hexed willow
slim hamlet
royal lantern
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ww bug moment

slim hamlet
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aintnoway

earnest remnant
gusty mirage
hexed willow
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Did our 2p ever get fixed?

ornate pier
slim hamlet
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wait it's 12 now?

runic hinge
slim hamlet
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I was sure it was 10

hexed willow
gusty mirage
hexed willow
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Now I have no excuses

runic hinge
slim hamlet
earnest remnant
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i just echoed what he wrote not long ago

slim hamlet
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Fair

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not rly super easy to test

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Also I did try it on igira and yea it was super crisp

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Compared to ptr

hexed willow
round sleet
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!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
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poggies

hexed willow
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Internet would never lie, it’s 12

slim hamlet
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2 yards can be huge difference when it's from target

eternal heath
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Uh oh, there is a new tick mark on my WA pack now that I have 4p and don't know what it is for 🫠

steel geyser
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chaining envenom

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probably

acoustic pendant
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what is the reason of reapplying garrote during stealth windows even tho it has 10+ seconds on it

eternal heath
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Yeah there is a red and orange tick mark

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They change as I use abilities too

eternal heath
steel geyser
acoustic pendant
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and i use it like i use envenom as finisher

earnest remnant
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found it

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acoustic pendant
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same concept different outcome

slim hamlet
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poggies

winter lark
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is caustic spatter based on my position or my targets position

eternal heath
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12yd is pretty solid

slim hamlet
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Is IC still 10yards?

steel geyser
dark token
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Yes

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It has the coolest mastery in all of wow

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Good core abiltiies

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Cool theme and fun mobility

slim hamlet
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I like fist of fury

dark token
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And they fucking butcher it every tier

sick aspen
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Anyone else found the cruel dreamcarver buffs don't do anything? got the movement speed/mount speed one but neither changed with the buff on/off

slim hamlet
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I hate their sound effects

dark token
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9.0 and 9.1 were so goated on monk

eternal heath
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Yeah sound effects feel awful imo

dark token
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Like insanely fucking fun

slim hamlet
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Also am I the only one that plays with sounds, and kinda use it as a gcd timer?

gusty mirage
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it's SO annoying

eternal heath
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I think if I roll a 2nd dps this tier, it may be ele sham

dark token
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They added night fae to ww

gusty mirage
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it's literally the most fun I've ever had on melee

slim hamlet
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On last boss fall, I legit explode because it has different and wack hit sounds

dark token
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When all monks loved kyrian and brb

gusty mirage
dark token
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No one fucking played night fae

gusty mirage
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I think MW did

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THANK GOD

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LMFAO

hazy geyser
dark token
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They added night fae all 3 specs I tjink

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And everyone fucking hates it

gusty mirage
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you're a yellow boy now

dark token
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Was their worst ability

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And everyone hates tod

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And now it's their biggest aoe

gusty mirage
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thank god they're balancing the entire spec around it Despairge

main blaze
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night fae blink was goat though

eternal heath
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I like the idea of enhance, especially aesthetically. But I the rotation seems a bit intense and last I knew, they were insanely squishy

hazy geyser
hexed willow
dark token
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They legit butcher the most fun spc in wow through inattention and deliberately awful choice

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It was so fucking fun in 9.01 and 9.1

gusty mirage
dark token
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In keys I had the most fun I ever had

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Just aoe PUMP

hazy geyser
dark token
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Cool setup

gusty mirage
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9.1 oxibrew was the most fun I had doing keys

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like by far

dark token
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Yeah bdb setup was aoe done right

gusty mirage
eternal heath
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Also why does DH feel fucking broken right now

gusty mirage
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actual brilliant design

dark token
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Line up ur marks, pop CDs and fucking spin doing 9000000 dps

gusty mirage
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for absolutely no reason

dark token
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Cds so fuckin fun

hexed willow
eternal heath
dark token
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I'm so glad I swapped off rogue 9.0

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It was sick

hexed willow
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Like timestrike on the final EB boss is broken still

eternal heath
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He did the same in our DHT earlier too lol

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dark token
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They even had the exact same combo of abiltiies that made ww fun in their prepatch tree oxi

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Then they removed it

gusty mirage
dark token
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And replaced it with bone dust brew aoe size

gusty mirage
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you missed out

dark token
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They removed that extra mark of the crane spin dmg talent

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That carried the entire spec all of shafowlands

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And was really fun

eternal heath
dark token
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It's like they remove sectech from sub in 10.2 rework

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Like ??

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Or worse they remove deepening shadows

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??

hazy geyser
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balancing ww around ToD was the dumbest move blizzard made in quite a long time

hexed willow
eternal heath
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Lmao yeah lock in general seems pretty terrible

dark token
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We just progressively got worse in df and worse and now it's literally the worst it's ever bene

gusty mirage
hexed willow
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Demo pumps but the gameplay is shit

dark token
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Ok I can't stop ranting about this how they destroyed this awesome spec

eternal heath
dark token
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Need to take a break

hazy geyser
royal lantern
gusty mirage
hexed willow
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@earnest remnant should I be a dust fan or a dust hater

royal lantern
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meanwhile mages had their 30yard rune with 3000immunitys and it got removed

eternal heath
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What about the orange rogue Starege

unborn pendant
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Hey, so this spec looks giga broken and I'm looking to gear Sin as a primary alt this patch. What's the best, most efficient way to get this thing extremely geared very quickly without having to get carried through my guild's main M+/raid runs?

hazy geyser
dark token
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It's making ww like outlaw

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Rofl

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Like no one wanted that ever

royal lantern
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ye

dark token
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Spam ur adrenaline rush

eternal heath
dark token
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Imagine if adrenaline rush was a circle u cast on the ground

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A haste puddle

hexed willow
dark token
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If u move out

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U lose it

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Rofl

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That's ww

hazy geyser
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yeah playing faeline on sark was not fun

lethal widget
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Bring back legion poison bomb

dark token
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Actual ass gameplay design

lethal widget
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I just wanna spam ruptures and do infinite damage

royal lantern
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@dark token you know how Pi actually made ww dmg LOWER for a time

cus when you reached a specific haste % fist of fury started skipping hits

dark token
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They have some intern doing ww for sure

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And not even their good intern

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Like one they don't want to give a return offer

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Throwaway project

royal lantern
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oh, and SEF reducing grieftorch dmg by 66%

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for some reason

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like

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EVERYTHING about ww is a buged mess

magic sparrow
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Aug grp or WTF grp?

royal lantern
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and it gets ignored

zealous niche
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
dark token
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I hear ww was good in mop at least

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Maybe I play mop classic as green

eternal heath
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Brewmaster was insane

vapid skiff
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brewmaster was good

bleak kiln
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What build are you playing for M+ this week? Or does it vary a lot between dungeons?

spice spire
vapid skiff
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windwalker good in pvp not pve

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brewmaster in the last tier of mop was beyond omega broken

eternal heath
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MoP was the last expansion with the Vegeance tank passive iirc

spice spire
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WW was good in 9.0.
9.1 keys

magic sparrow
spice spire
hexed willow
vapid skiff
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ye Vengeance got turned into resolve bs in wod

magic sparrow
balmy condor
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Aug is nearby not group like windfury

spice spire
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Yeah take the one that boosts my personal damage.
That rat Aug can go suboptimal 💀

royal lantern
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dont support augmentations

gusty mirage
royal lantern
balmy condor
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Aug group ain’t a thing

royal lantern
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/cancleaura all their buffs

gusty mirage
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you're the main character now

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you get PI and WFT

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and whatever else you ask for

spice spire
hexed willow
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they have a defensive aspect being in their group

spice spire
vapid skiff
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ass is now the buff vehicle deluxe yep

spice spire
vapid skiff
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you want the wft group

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no question

steel spire
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PogO I'm not ready for the Mc life

vapid skiff
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no doubt

hexed willow
vapid skiff
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kingsbane go 🅱️rr

hexed willow
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I once got wft in a key

gusty mirage
eternal heath
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I gotta say, learning when I can properly use KB is rough

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And feels like half the spec lol

gusty mirage
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ngl proper KB usage is the entire spec now

hexed willow
gusty mirage
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you're perma afk in between KBs

dark token
eternal heath
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It really feels that way, especially in key spec

dark token
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The unholy dk stealing my PI on pull

gusty mirage
slim hedge
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Just loot it boys

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eternal heath
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Have a solid 30s where I Mut twice then wait 5s to use envenom

runic hinge
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Reportable offense imo

eternal heath
gusty mirage
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he can take the 400 more dps he gets from PI and cry in the corner with biceps

vapid skiff
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its better that way tho saddly @dark token besad

dark token
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We have 2 unholy dk

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On some boss

somber sparrow
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do you prefer a 1-1-4 or a 1-1 7 or a 1-1 - whatever on that trinket

dark token
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Suffering

gusty mirage
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1-1-7 is what the sims do

magic sparrow
spice spire
gusty mirage
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1-1-4 is fine too

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1-1-1 is probably fine too

devout prism
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ya guys every get into a 20 FALL and for whatever reason the healer seems to not know what mechanics are

gusty mirage
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yolo

royal lantern
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@gusty mirage hey, wanna know something

eternal heath
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Trying to use branch on Xavius fuckin sucks

royal lantern
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#43 was not it

spice spire
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Ur so based oxi

vapid skiff
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luckily we have 2 priests and 1 uh dk and 2 rogues so i get my pi

gusty mirage
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I did 3 this week and gave up

somber sparrow
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i assume getting all 3 is better than not haha but ok, good to know

slim hedge
dark token
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So it's like 1-2 unholy dk and 2 rogues

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Wanting 1 pi

slim hedge
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The kind of key where the priest casts EVERY MD as everyones already died with no prep

gusty mirage
hexed willow
vapid skiff
dark token
gusty mirage
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damn

dark token
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I get healer priest

vapid skiff
gusty mirage
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they oppressing our boy

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bro wtf is with raids and griefing rogues this tier

dark token
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I mean healer priest is better pi

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But then unholy dk came in

gusty mirage
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I get it no one likes us

hexed willow
gusty mirage
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but THIS IS OUR WORLD NOW

royal lantern
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like

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bruh

hexed willow
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But modify it with only your name and not the dks

dark token
royal lantern
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spriest using Pi 20sec before smolderon dmg amp

spice spire
royal lantern
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for some reason

vapid skiff
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thats like random pug healer in keys lvl

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ive had so many pi's on 30% hp packs that do nothing KEKW

eternal heath
gusty mirage
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they rotated useless PIs

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it was great

royal lantern
vapid skiff
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because priest just send on cd no bother with good weakaura or shit for it

dark token
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Are so bad

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They just gusss

hexed willow
vapid skiff
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its cursed

dark token
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Completely off all my cds

hexed willow
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and it’s like fuuuck what do I do now

vapid skiff
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ye fuck pi

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fuck aug

dark token
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They think I send when I hold

strange trail
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if I'm lacking mastery would crafting an engineering wrist be a smart move?

dark token
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And hold when I send

gusty mirage
# vapid skiff its cursed

I got PI'd with nothing up, then the demo lock AFTER his CDs, then to the havoc DH after meta expired

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it was pretty sick

eternal heath
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giga priest

vapid skiff
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based priest

gusty mirage
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it seemed kinda intentional at that point KEKW

dark token
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I also like priests in pugs who pi like

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The ret pala

eternal heath
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KSH this week?

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vapid skiff
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he might hate pi and int it

dark token
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Instead of the assa rogue

gusty mirage
dark token
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Like ?

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?

eternal heath
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Priests still think rogue has negative prio for PI

vapid skiff
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I hate doing it but i usually try to ask as nicely as possible for the pirest to pi me because im ass

gusty mirage
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@earnest remnant never forget anduin in 9.2, we've come a long way 🥲

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vapid skiff
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usually it works

dark token
steel spire
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Tfw your pi eats dirt during execute phase despairge

dark token
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And "pi rogues*

gusty mirage
dark token
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That spec worthless without PI

vapid skiff
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true

dark token
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For real

eternal heath
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That does make me realize

hexed willow
eternal heath
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I dont think I have seen a single spriest this season

dark token
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Our ex pieces spriest was doing tank dmg in 20s

eternal heath
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Is spriest just in a garbage spot atm?

dark token
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Yes extremely

hexed willow
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Yes

vapid skiff
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yes

dark token
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It's only good for external

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And utility

hexed willow
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They make warlocks look incredible

vapid skiff
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they are like worse than aug dmg without the defensivesness

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and aug dmg is turbo shit atm

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in keys at least

dark token
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It's literally a worse support spec atm

vapid skiff
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aug defensiveness still good but their dmg is gone

dark token
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Mom: we have Aug evokers at home

royal lantern
dark token
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It's just spriest

still creek
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and still my spriest reject delaying his pi for 4 sec to hit my whole KB....

vapid skiff
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you are most likely giga inting taking an aug over a real dps in your pugs now

slim hedge
vapid skiff
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ye even if thats true

slim hedge
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So Aug is better, and some specs slightly worse

vapid skiff
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the feeling of having an aug

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compared to a shit dps

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is still massively in favor of shit dps in my experiences

gusty mirage
hexed willow
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Aug in waycrest is trolling though

vapid skiff
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even an aug with good uptime

gusty mirage
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literally it's a scripted story for spriest at this point

royal lantern
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like srsly

vapid skiff
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also dependent on your specs aswell

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ye

strange trail
still creek
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aug evoker can kinda just not buff anyone and noone would notice in keys ngl

slim hedge
vapid skiff
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ive had keys with aug when playing ass that ive done less overall dmg than with just PI in same key and about same pulls

hexed willow
vapid skiff
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i mean their dmg is so far behind now tho that a proper dps spec just outvalues it

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their defensive value is crazy still

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but the tradeoff doesnt seem worth it now

cunning needle
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im pretty sure i played with an aug with 30% ebon might uptime

vapid skiff
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might change with more gear

royal lantern
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pug augs rn be like

Pack at 16% hp? time for breath of eons!

cunning needle
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im no aug expert but i dont think thats right

royal lantern
vapid skiff
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ye 30% ebon thats cursed

slim hedge
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Higher key levels Aug will probably be more value for the defensiveness gains to tnaks and such

vapid skiff
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well the thing is

royal lantern
cunning needle
vapid skiff
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if the dps difference is too much it doesnt matter how tanky they can make you

hexed willow
slim hedge
vapid skiff
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becausse shit will outlive your cooldowns and you will still die at that point

dark token
cunning needle
vapid skiff
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dps is always king, defensiveness is good but comes kinda 2nd prio

cunning needle
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pretty sure zerocool is playing m+ with 2x aug atm though

vapid skiff
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look at enhanceshaman in s1 DF for example

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that blueboi is the biggest floor enjoyer there is

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but still brought to high keys due to cracked dmg profile

hexed willow
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Guys liquid used 2 sub rogues for their tswift kill. Is sin a dead spec

cunning needle
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he's pumping

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hexed willow
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(Please don’t take me seriously)

slim hedge
slim hamlet
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2 augvokers

vapid skiff
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KEKW

steel spire
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Sin is de dedge

slim hamlet
dark token
vapid skiff
slim hamlet
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Liquid used sin

cunning needle
vapid skiff
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i think thats part of the joke

slim hamlet
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Echo used sub

hexed willow
vapid skiff
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liquid used sin echo used sub

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thats like half the joke i assumed

hexed willow
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Echo is the new and improved

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They knew sin was dead

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And moved on

slim hamlet
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based

dark token
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Ye that's why they got 2nd tbh

slim hamlet
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Who the fuck gets PI on their comp btw

vapid skiff
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i dont really understand why they prefered sub over ass tho

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hunters

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bm hunter pi is not that far from ass in value

hexed willow
dark token
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If they took asaa

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They coulda got 1st swift kil

hexed willow
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Sub bursts faster

slim hamlet
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It was because they were doing flying no?

vapid skiff
# hexed willow Timing for shield?

sub does a little better shield dmg yes, and they will be tankier in roots and do more root dmg but MASSIVE boss dmg loss in last phase

balmy condor
slim hamlet
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Sin would giga suck if they had to pick orbs unless I am missing something

hexed willow
slim hamlet
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Because KB is up right there

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and sub can do insta aoe root

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idk if liquids rogues did orbs too?

hexed willow
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Legit curious, don’t know sub

spice surge
vapid skiff
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overall boss dmg not crazy diff no

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mostly the last phase

still creek
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sub pumps roots pretty hard with sectec

vapid skiff
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ye

spice surge
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It phases on time anyway

slim hamlet
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Sin still seems like a perfect spec for that boss to me

hexed willow
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Interesting. And secret is in a 1m cd so readily available

spice surge
vapid skiff
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i guess they really wanted the extra root dmg

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feels like an overcook tho

spice surge
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Secret gets reduced by cp spent

balmy condor
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Long day eleem?

hexed willow
balmy condor
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Late over there in eu

hexed willow
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Thanks eleem

spice surge
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Indeed

hexed willow
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I’m learning so much today

spice surge
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But watching my guildy aug play waycrest without getting branch every single day

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Is entertaining

hexed willow
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Is there a strength branch

slim hamlet
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yes

vapid skiff
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ye

spice surge
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No int

slim hamlet
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from gnarlroot raid

vapid skiff
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but its a bit cursed

hexed willow
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Or is rezanms eye the closest

slim hamlet
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There is an int branch, agi branch and strength branch

cunning needle
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there's a branch for str/int/agi this tier kek

slim hamlet
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All of them rly good

vapid skiff
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the strength branch is some insta pop dmg with 2min 30s cd

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not a pog stat pop

hexed willow
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I helped our demo get his branch today

slim hamlet
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The strength one is new beacon

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it's wild

hexed willow
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They’re rocking branch and some weird chilling in melee trinket

spice surge
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Raider.io says he has done 58 waycrest but fairly sure its missing like 3 or 4 runs because he hit 60 earlier today

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His mental is in shambles

lucid silo
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do we change m+ spec when we get 4 piece?

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
balmy condor
slim hamlet
spice surge
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I was 18th in my guild with 35 keys last week kekdog

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Demons

hexed willow
balmy condor
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Yeh that’s about where I was

slim hamlet
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We had some gamers doing 80+ last week too

balmy condor
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Had one guy that did 85 keys

slim hamlet
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I did like 35 and thought it was an insane amount

hexed willow
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I did 55 and wanted to cry

vapid skiff
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i have a friend who is over 60 gala runs and 0 timestrike warglaives OMEGAKEKW

spice spire
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I was 32nd in my guild

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Unlucky

lucid silo
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
hexed willow
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But my wrists were spared cause I don’t play law

runic hinge
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I was first in my guild at 28

vapid skiff
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i was first in mine with 64

dark token
runic hinge
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We some casuals tho

indigo ginkgo
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do we now if the rare trinket of last boss is godd in the long run , or something like that ?

keen spruce
regal crest
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A mage ran 35+ waycrests for the trinket in my guild

neat pike
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does this spec just suck in pvp or do i suck

slim hamlet
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That fyrakk trinket is doing so much dmg on logs

keen spruce
normal mist
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After getting 4pc, sims are telling me hybrid m+ build is better than the normal build. What are you 4pc gamers using in yours 15s and above?

slim hamlet
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Hybrid always simmed better for me

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Arterial always did more in reality tho

vapid skiff
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arterial is WAY better in not super high keys

keen spruce
normal mist
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Arterial build simmed better for me till now

balmy condor
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I can’t notice a difference

hexed willow
fathom flax
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Anyone else dual spec ing? Ass for raid outlaw for keys?

vapid skiff
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arterial with blindside is so much better on keys below 23 imo

keen spruce
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for a couple of hours

slim hamlet
keen spruce
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got to rank 4 world for a bit

fathom flax
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And if so how are you handling your crafteds?

balmy condor
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I even dropped crimson tempest for a key and it was still fine idk

keen spruce
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then everyone woke up

balmy condor
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Just play whatever

slim hamlet
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CT is not doing a whole lot for me on fortified

hexed willow
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Whispyr says we can drop iron wire lets go!

still creek
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i feel arterial build is better in 20 and under, stuff dies too fast for hybrid to shine in those keys for me atleasat

slim hamlet
#

like 3-5%

keen spruce
#

we are in the age of rogue nihilism

#

nothing matters

delicate trench
slim hamlet
#

tyran**

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

tyran**********

balmy condor
#

Yeah

#

Okay

#

Makes sense

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

Yep

keen spruce
#

stats? don't matter
build? don't matter

slim hamlet
#

Imma try dropping tomorrow

balmy condor
#

Just take hybrid, take the ct point out and go whatever

vapid skiff
#

the DTB should be better on higher keys with long living aoe tho

balmy condor
#

It’s less overall

keen spruce
#

literally do anything, aquire pi, or don't. get some lizard sauce, or don't

#

still top meters

normal mist
#

Aight tomorrow I'll go back to arterial and test it out... While doing my 24...(?) galakrond's fall run

keen spruce
#

blue parse and beat R1 windwalkers

normal mist
#

(still no dagger)

slim hamlet
#

Lizard sauce

leaden sinew
#

guys

#

hear me out

slim hamlet
#

oh no

leaden sinew
#

i might have cooked something

#

what if

slim hamlet
#

oh oh no no

leaden sinew
#

u play 2p

#

2p

#

and the bleed build

keen spruce
vapid skiff
slim hamlet
leaden sinew
wet dagger
#

Oh we are dropping ct now

vapid skiff
#

stat difference says no

wet dagger
#

Very interesting

vapid skiff
#

huh

leaden sinew
#

so

#

hear me out

keen spruce
#

that's just the arterial build

leaden sinew
#

yea

keen spruce
leaden sinew
#

but with caustic

slim hamlet
leaden sinew
#

just look at the numbers

#

2p from s3

#

is buffing the 2p

#

from s1

vapid skiff
#

wdym but with caustic

leaden sinew
#

s2*

vapid skiff
#

you would always do caustic with that for keys

keen spruce
#

you're also losing like 70 ilvls

leaden sinew
#

yy tried internal sometimes but is good

leaden sinew
#

but i simm this

wet dagger
#

Super interesting the switch up, I brought this up like 4 days ago and was attacked over it lmao

vapid skiff
#

if you compare mythic s2 to LFR s3 set yes sure

leaden sinew
#

and it simms like verry good in st and aoe

#

just try to simm it

keen spruce
#

if this number starts with a 1

slim hamlet
keen spruce
#

i'm throwing you in the ocean

hexed willow
#

Why would you have internal bleeding in a m+

vapid skiff
#

but with heroic ilvl s3 tier its just better with 4p

slim hamlet
#

Also CT is still more dmg

leaden sinew
keen spruce
#

patchwerk 8boss

slim hamlet
leaden sinew
slim hamlet
#

5 minute 8 boss patchwerk

vapid skiff
keen spruce
#

when tf

#

have you fought 8 targets

#

for 5 minutes

leaden sinew
#

welll jsut did some simms looke at numbers u

keen spruce
#

straight

torn atlas
balmy condor
fallow dune
#

So... when do we expect to get nerfed?

balmy condor
#

But it’s not awful

slim hamlet
keen spruce
leaden sinew
#

i think this must be a biit cooked with items but this can be good idk xD

slim hamlet
#

that too

leaden sinew
#

just wanted an opinion

vapid skiff
#

iron wires solos like all everbloom packs

slim hamlet
#

I mean it's probably not god awful

#

But it's also not close to good

#

u know

vapid skiff
#

in some dungeons its not super strong but in some its beyond mega insane

hexed willow
balmy condor
leaden sinew
#

but for this i think more crit mastery is good

slim hamlet
#

Bro iron wires carries a lot of the satisfaction of this spec in m+

leaden sinew
#

xD

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

I love that spell

slim hamlet
balmy condor
#

God

torn atlas
slim hamlet
#

That shit was good

balmy condor
#

There’s so much meme shit this cycle

#

From actual apes

slim hamlet
#

Also fok in st

north pond
#

pips > sandglass ?

slim hamlet
#

gotta use all your abilities

still creek
#

if i just got one nick of time should i have it in MH or OH? both daggers are 483

balmy condor
buoyant mauve
#

on smolderon are most people holding deathmark for 1st intermission with lust or just sending at start?

slim hamlet
balmy condor
#

That was the cook lmao

#

Wdym wait

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

Wasn't his whole thing "if I take this ability I should be using it everywhere"

torn atlas
#

Now you've done it

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

How many guys are there

vapid skiff
#

at least 1

balmy condor
#

He was the CT single target guy

slim hamlet
#

Yes

balmy condor
#

Cause I talented CT

#

So im gonna use it

vapid skiff
#

bruh

#

based

slim hamlet
#

Then we asked if he wanted to spread doomblade in aoe

#

and he unironically said yes

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

and began arguing

balmy condor
#

7head

slim hamlet
#

That shit was content af

balmy condor
#

He’s just better than us

slim hamlet
#

true

vapid skiff
#

true

slim hamlet
#

I could never make myself spread doomblade

vapid skiff
#

spread for doomblade

slim hamlet
#

Then blindside change would be a real problem

keen spruce
#

I just spread doomblade to the same target

vapid skiff
keen spruce
#

cuz that's how doomblade works

slim hamlet
#

considering it doesn't proc doomblade

keen spruce
slim hamlet
#

No no u gotta spread it to keep lethal dose up on everyone

#

What don't you understand

keen spruce
#

if i have more than 6 ruptures out in a pack I'm overachieving

quiet oar
slim hamlet
vapid skiff
#

i mean its just better to spam envenoms on a spatter boi after the scent stacks no?

keen spruce
#

gar-gar-gar-rupture-fan (ehhhh maybe i just burst now)

balmy condor
#

“Assa opener is too slow”

Some 700iq gigachad: tab mut every target for lethal dose when talented into the worst talent on the tree

quiet oar
balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

I honestly wish there were more of those people

#

Actual content

quiet oar
#

I need spatter up but also need kb DM and stjff

balmy condor
#

I don’t

slim hamlet
#

And the content keeps contenting even months later

balmy condor
#

My blood pressure can’t keep up

slim hamlet
#

It has to be somewhat worth right?

balmy condor
#

People showing up “so how many targets do I mut for spatter I’m not doing damage”

quiet oar
#

Fyrak hc is a fucking weird Boss for sin CDs or am i crszy

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

The most classic of them all

#

Not reading tooltips

junior aurora
slim hamlet
#

But also another problem

cobalt gyro
#

Just talent IB and turn brain off

slim hamlet
#

Reading tooltips too much

#

If u actually read tooltips you would think DM doubles KB because it legit says it does

vapid skiff
#

@slim hamlet you are just a tool if you read tooltips its in the name starege

#

get some nerd to do the reading for you ezclapezfap

junior aurora
#

why would i talent caustic spatter, a talent that is not only spelled wrong but buffs poisons when i have more bleed talents

#

internal bleeding synergizes more its that simple

slim hamlet
#

Because caustic spatter is one of the best talents made

vapid skiff
#

blade flurry green edition

#

actually amazing

slim hamlet
#

Yes but KB

vapid skiff
#

i love it

slim hamlet
#

KB, IC, Spatter, Demise

vapid skiff
#

like no meme i love everything about ass this season

quiet oar
#

Sudden demise is also satadfying

slim hamlet
#

I absolutely love these talents

vapid skiff
#

best spec design ive ever played

junior aurora
#

sudden demise on bursting weeks is sometimes very much not satisfying

slim hamlet
#

It's actually insane how good sin is to play now

quiet oar
#

Seeing this mob die on 20%

slim hamlet
#

Compared to before

vapid skiff
#

indeed

slim hamlet
#

Imagine we have aoe cds now

quiet oar
proper gust
#

!wa

slim hamlet
#

Imagine we can cleave without losing 90% ST dmg

cobalt gyro
#

I feel like for lower keys though, IB is just gonna be better because everything's dead before you get to mut

prisma monolithBOT
vapid skiff
#

and dude sudden demise procs

#

i coom

torn atlas
slim hamlet
#

Imagine we can cleave without having to redot everything on new target

#

omg

vapid skiff
#

getting a fat sudden demise boom is like what monks wishes touch of death to be

slim hamlet
#

Realz ^

#

(and the other people who made it)

torn atlas
#

It's kinda concerning how much good shit they gave us. Like is someone gonna come along and take it all away again.

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

Depends on if they go the uhdk route or normal sin route

torn atlas
#

Am I just too damaged from playing sin in keys for 3 years?

keen spruce
#

I've started putting disclaimers at the start of keys

#

this week

slim hamlet
#

udhk route they will see that without external shit it's not actually op and won't giga nerf

keen spruce
#

about what is about to happen to the group

slim hamlet
#

If normal sin rogue then 20% nerf inc

keen spruce
#

shoud we pull to large

vapid skiff
#

you mean sudden demise and bursting match made in heaven?

slim hamlet
#

Bursting everbloom

torn atlas
slim hamlet
keen spruce
#

Healer: Stop damage, we're at 4 stacks
My sudden demise, racks of bleeds, and shiv charges: pepegaDriver

vapid skiff
#

KEKW

arctic hare
vapid skiff
#

ye had that in some everblooms today

#

STOP DPS

slim hamlet
#

I am thinking of going hybrid build this week

vapid skiff
#

sudden demise: I'm about to end this mans whole career

junior aurora
#

in a BRH 22 earlier druid had to heal through 11 stacks of bursting bc of sudden demise

slim hamlet
#

Just because arterial is monka

vapid skiff
#

fuck em

#

just cloak it

#

and watch them lay there

junior aurora
#

i, a man of culture, used cloak of shadows and watched

slim hamlet
#

Seems like a them problem

arctic hare
karmic minnow
#

thinking of making a rogue, does anyone have an idea of what is bis race for pve rogue

vapid skiff
keen spruce
#

I use cloak exclusively for bursting and rezan fear

slim hamlet
#

me and a hunter casually watched as everyone else fell one after one

torn atlas
#

It's the ultimate rogue thing to do.

karmic minnow
#

!race

hexed willow
#

Preservation has healed some crazy stacks

torn atlas
#

Fuck shit up, save yourself and watch everyone else die

junior aurora
slim hamlet
#

Bro MW monk is underrated af

junior aurora
#

group was me, a mage, and a warlock

#

plenty of tools

hexed willow
slim hamlet
#

or my guildie is just cracked out of his mind

torn atlas
#

Flavour loss if you don't

slim hamlet
#

Bro is healing huge everbloom pulls

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

With none of us giving a shit

vapid skiff
#

but you can check out the pinned sims to see what race sims highest if you wanna minmax it to the maxmin

junior aurora
#

dwarf while being cracked defensively is also usually the top dps option too

slim hamlet
#

Not this time baby

vapid skiff
#

ye it is for outlaw by a decent margin

slim hamlet
#

fuck em

vapid skiff
#

but for ass its human

#

but not by a lot

spice surge
slim hamlet
#

Blood elf looks best = 10% dmg boost

spice surge
#

Or you can but you only get like 1/3 of the value of it

junior aurora
#

you can still kingsbane

slim hamlet
junior aurora
#

deathmark is super overkill though

vapid skiff
#

im more of a night elf>blood elf type of guy

slim hamlet
#

But tbh I would happily take that, and have the insane prio dmg we have as a trade

#

I swear prio dmg in keys is underrated

spice surge
#

Ye then you have stuff like pulling the priestess boss in atal with the pack

vapid skiff
#

you deathmark and make sure to make your bleeds full duration before it hits 35% so you get that juicer 2m+ sudden demise

slim hamlet
#

The monka pull before 3rd boss everbloom

spice surge
#

And youre basicly just doing full ST while also doing like 1m aoe dps

slim hamlet
#

idk about it, u just insta evaporate the pyroguy

spice surge
#

Or the elementals at the end of throne

#

Just pop em

slim hamlet
vapid skiff
#

ye having a thick target to put your kb on is so cracked

#

normal pulls so much dmg goes to waste

slim hamlet
#

But yea the double ele pull in throne and the packs before everbloom 3rd boss specifically

#

prio feels so good

vapid skiff
#

prio is so crazy

deep latch
#

What is our bis tier slots? Helm, shoulders, chest, hands?

vapid skiff
#

because not that many specs have it

slim hamlet
#

being able to evaporate the hard part of pulls

vapid skiff
#

we have so much of an even stat spread when statted optimally

slim hamlet
junior aurora
vapid skiff
#

its not that simple as one slot always being the preferd one to not have

balmy condor
vapid skiff
#

we dont have a useless stat

balmy condor
#

All our stats are good

vapid skiff
#

we want pretty even as you can see in the bis gear sims

#

which is amazing because most items can be good

deep latch
vapid skiff
#

you are not locked to shit like "oh it has haste KEKW useless lmao"

#

its basically just sim it 4Head

#

because it all depends so much on waht you already have

hexed willow
vapid skiff
#

archmage sol is built different ye

slim hamlet
#

Everbloom 3rd is the reason why I am in no way pugging that dungeon this week

hexed willow
#

^

vapid skiff
#

and yalnu is kinda crazy too tbh

slim hamlet
#

People are progging it

#

Wipe, release, wipe, release

vapid skiff
#

and the 2nd one are hard if they dont know the tacts

slim hamlet
#

No one knows how to bait, fire thingy oneshots half the specs

#

idk

vapid skiff
#

ye ive had to raidlead people through everbloom prog runs today a lot

#

80+death everblooms and shit

slim hamlet
#

Tyran everbloom probably fine in a couple of weeks

#

but no one knows how to handle that boss yet

vapid skiff
#

i miss fortified when i could delete the bosses in bl before they did anything that my pugs could fail on

slim hamlet
#

^

#

Only way to pug everbloom is to oneshot that boss

vapid skiff
#

ye

#

and perma ironwire all packs

slim hamlet
#

Something I got confused about

#

I think it was waycrest

#

U can blind some mobs that can't be silenced

#

And kidney shot and shit

hexed willow
#

I mean even if you know what to do that boss is punishing as fuck

cerulean nest
#

toxic patch on wrists right?

slim hamlet
#

I thought it was always, either u can do it all or nothing

slim hamlet
vapid skiff
#

i dont know how the cc immunities work tbh

hexed willow
#

19 cinder straight up deleted some squishy person

#

Like on the pull

#

Because it was like “SURPRISE UR DEAD”

vapid skiff
#

ye if you are a green or blue class color its rough on archmage sol fire spells

slim hamlet
#

The candle caster witches in waycrest

#

all cc besides iron wire

#

weirdge

north pond
#

damn got a pips and dissapointed in the sim number is there something im not seeing?

hexed willow
#

Iron wire is the savior of ToTT

#

Legit makes the dungeon infinitely easier

slim hamlet
#

I am guessing it can't rly sim the buff u get from friends having it

hoary fulcrum
#

is ahse BIS now?

slim hamlet
#

Iron wire is so good

vapid skiff
#

iron wire is the goat

hexed willow
slim hamlet
#

U don't

#

it's just more buff

hexed willow
#

And it was you chose one and then you get 1 of 3 rando

slim hamlet
#

like the other seasons version

hexed willow
#

Oh it’s a OCE variant

slim hamlet
#

s1 thingy

#

Pretty sure

hoary fulcrum
#

is ashes BIS? according to bloodmallet

slim hamlet
#

nah

vapid skiff
#

no

#

its ashes or branch

slim hamlet
#

Branch is bis

hexed willow
slim hamlet
#

ashes is close second to branch, but dont have both

hexed willow
#

Branch is so far ahead

vapid skiff
#

you cannot fit both, since they are both only good when used with your deathmark

#

and can't pop them same time

#

so its either branch or ashes and then something that isnt a pop

#

as sub you can use both branch and ashes due to shadowdust

#

but for ass its literally ASS to have 2x2min

slim hamlet
#

Wait

#

@hexed willow I just kinda omega lied about pips

#

xd

#

idk I would rather have had pips than signet

#

Signet seems so rng

hexed willow
#

How does it work?

vapid skiff
#

is pip something that scales with more pips?

slim hamlet
#

It's just what u thought

manic rock
#

No

hexed willow
#

Let’s go! I don’t need friends

slim hamlet
#

I for some reason thought the 2nd part was an extra buff only when others had it

vapid skiff
#

i thought it was just a stat proc on its own

slim hamlet
#

it is

vapid skiff
#

ok

#

nice

#

i hurt myself in confusion

hexed willow
#

My goals are pips/hourglass

#

And let everyone else fight over self harm

gray hazel
#

are you guys using the crit or mastery runs now?

slim hamlet
#

haste

#

simmed higher

arctic tusk
#

should I be shiv'ing off cd in keys?

deep latch
#

is there a way to sim curio or mastery token?

slim hamlet
arctic tusk
#

save for KB is what ive been doing

slim hamlet
#

Always use with KB unless u know u are not gonna be using KB on anything until u got it up again

hexed willow
arctic tusk
#

unless im not gonna KB in 30 sec

manic rock
#

This week I've been using shiv on cd

#

Trash doesn't live long enough

slim hamlet
#

I have been using it more without KB too, but generally with it still

arctic tusk
#

and im reading the aoe guide and I assume some things change based on how fast things die? like sending an extra rupture isnt necessary can just send CT?

vapid skiff
#

ye

#

and also sometimes you dont wanna babysit kingsbane

arctic tusk
#

would I ct before going into KB

vapid skiff
#

and just send more garroties in your dance window

slim hamlet
#

if u do that the pack is already dead

#

That's the problem with CT on tyran

vapid skiff
#

because you just rather build up sudden demise than kingsbane if kingsbane cant live long

gray hazel
#

have you guys dropped AS for DTB for tyran week?

#

or is that buuild just better now

vapid skiff
#

no i run arterial with blindside still

slim hamlet
#

I still run arterial

#

Just with blindside and tried venom rush too

#

Which seemed nice

vapid skiff
#

arterial blindside simmed higher than DTB last time i checked

#

on pure ST

#

and it is quite a lot better on shor tlived packs

gray hazel
#

Saw the top 2 rogues using that instead

slim hamlet
#

Hybrid simmed higher for me in dungeonslice since start and still does

gray hazel
#

M+ wise

manic rock
#

Nice data in pins

#

For the specs

slim hamlet
#

It is heavily preference thing

vapid skiff
#

hybrid does sim higher in dlsice

slim hamlet
#

The builds are so close

vapid skiff
#

but arterial sims higher on packs that live 20 secs

#

by quite a chunk

slim hamlet
#

Yea and with blindside and maybe venom rush the ST dmg is also giga

vapid skiff
#

yes

#

i think its the overall best key build

#

after trying out a lot

#

including some mega overcooked shit

#

like no sudden demise and iron wire

slim hamlet
#

Haven't tried hybrid since 1st day

vapid skiff
#

for some kekw simbait

slim hamlet
#

I will try tomorrow probably

gray hazel
#

just blindside instead of the shiv damage one?

vapid skiff
#

yes

#

blindside is massive for ST

#

your boss dmg goes from sadkek to pog

gray hazel
#

Shiv only did 2.3% of my last key damage

slim hamlet
#

That talent seems overrated to me

vapid skiff
#

ye i agree

slim hamlet
#

Blindside feels better, makes it easier and helps with hard parts of dungeons more

vapid skiff
#

exactly blindside helps where you are needed (prio dmg)

hexed willow
#

I gotta try arterial again this week, I was testing out hybrid since I got 2p finally

vapid skiff
#

without blindside the arterial build is kinda weak on ST

earnest timber
#

does anyone have the wft sims?

vapid skiff
#

bloodmallet has WFT sims

#

its kek for some specs