assassination

[strange python]

i hear "step left, step right -- wait a bit"

[slate crown]

yeah, that's basically it

[strange python]

yeah that's sounds worth it for how big it sims

[slate crown]

Just step left wait for bloop, step right wait for bloop, wait a bit and maybe move around a bit in a circle

wait for 3rd bloop

[strange python]

look at this augury trinket in an m+

f'in thing is dope af (more dope than oxi)

[soft shale]

leecho

[strange python]

yarp

That run was pretty decent too

I know some people pulling higher but that's good af for me

[slim hamlet]

How far into Gnarlroot does he get bonus dmg phase?

Can I use shit on opener

[strange python]

yeah same

[indigo epoch]

Which wa is this?

[slate crown]

If your group is super on top of roots and clears them quickly, damage amp will come slightly before DM is ready

but if they're not it's timed fine

[slim hamlet]

So I gotta sandbag the roots?

[slate crown]

Also keep in mind, the boss isn't immune

The boss is just taking reduced

[celest chasm]

i'm happy i just got this in lfr:

[slate crown]

so you can pre-prep and start your ramp early if you need

[slim hamlet]

99% reduced might aswell be immune

oh yea

[slate crown]

No waht I mean is

you can sitll apply dots

yeah

[supple snow]

Cataclysmic is better than ashes for trinkets right?
My sim is saying ashes is 3 times better than Cataclysmic . i'm confused

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

[indigo epoch]

Ty!

[feral mason]

my guild waits a bit with roots so everyone has 2m on amp

[slate crown]

Also you can consider accelerated opener, but I think this lands your KB ticking before adds spawn (too early)? but better sets you up for damage amp

[strange python]

Am I reading this right - 9-16 all upgrade to 476?

[slate crown]

Not entirely sure

[feral mason]

but with pugs thats a bit hard to coordinate

[strange python]

no 11-15

then 16-20

[feral mason]

nah 9-16 was right

[strange python]

ok

i feel like cranking everblooms on like 10 is just gonna be easier or something

[feral mason]

generally want to spam 18s for vault

at least

[strange python]

yeah

[real pike]

Hey guys sorry if this has been asked but for those still with Beacon when are you using it in the open?

[spice spire]

After rupture? I guess?

[sharp pawn]

any idea how to spend "renascent dream"

[real pike]

Makes sense, thank you

[celest chasm]

at the catalyst forge

[exotic hearth]

For this WA I'm guessing it assumes we shived right before it? or is it more of a if you only have 1 type of situation

[slate crown]

It does assume you shived right before

[sharp pawn]

@celest chasm any idea on which slot n stuff or just the highet ilvl i got

[slate crown]

it does dynamically adjust based on your charges you have

[exotic hearth]

Gotcha. Thanks ❤️

[kind hare]

Guys why does my sin sim sims 100k lower than my law :S

[strange python]

check ur weapons

[kind hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/73ZKgBbpES1CLkQ76nTQN4

[balmy condor]

Dslice

[kind hare]

Is a no go? 😄

[balmy condor]

Dslice is fine you just can’t look at the number it spits out

[celest chasm]

Think it would be best to achieve new set bonuses asap but i'm not entirely sure

[kind hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ik8hBsrz5SRZBHwXyPhLbv

:S

[balmy condor]

What I just say

[kind hare]

so i could run sin np

?

[balmy condor]

Yeah of course

[kind hare]

I am scared 😄

[slim hamlet]

Sin is arguably better in m+ than outlaw rigth now

[kind hare]

Yeah but the sims scares me

[slim hamlet]

Well

They shouldn't

[balmy condor]

Can’t help you with that

Dslice doesn’t spit out accurate dps numbers because that’s not what it’s designed to do

[kind hare]

ok

[balmy condor]

Comparing dslice numbers across specs is asinine

[kind hare]

Ill take your advice and test directly in 20+

goot to know ty guys

[harsh anchor]

I'm chasing other people's branch balls. Running from rather

[real solar]

@gusty mirage hi

[exotic pulsar]

when running aoe shiv spec in keys do you still play it the same as normal and save them for kingsbane or do you just send them?

[balmy condor]

Save for kb

[celest chasm]

man i hate mobs instant resetting once you press vanish

[exotic pulsar]

aight

[fleet turtle]

z/WA

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[manic quartz]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[gusty mirage]

hi

[pure sail]

can we trust sims with wafting on both weapons? it's higher for me than sophic

[real solar]

love u

[real solar]

Yes

[manic quartz]

4p aberrus or 2p/2p in M+?

[deep lily]

!trinkets

[exotic pulsar]

does acro increase spatter or IC range?

[manic quartz]

no

[thick shell]

guys, why does wowhead say best enchant is waftic but all top parsing rogues use sophic ??

[weak ice]

hey guys what did you craft first?

[exotic pulsar]

rip

[real solar]

Everyone sims different

or they’re multi speccing

just trust your sims

[thick shell]

😒

okey

[gusty mirage]

love you more

[stiff kernel]

Maybe for energy regeneration that’s all I can really think

Cause ST kinda starving for energy

[grave warren]

Does anyone have issues with stealth breaking for nothing?

[stiff kernel]

Not me personally but others have claimed it

[willow otter]

Hi guys, what build are u playing in this tyrannical week? Cant decide somehow.

[strange python]

arterial

[strange python]

There are certain trinkets that do this - but I'm not sure exactly which ones they are.

[naive crane]

!fu

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[mighty nexus]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
• Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)

[stiff kernel]

So outlaw sims a higher ST and Cleave rn according to the sheet? Not bandwagoning but is there a reason you would play sin over outlaw rn then if you had no preference of spec?

[subtle tundra]

encounter design favors assa

[placid wave]

spatter good

[mighty nexus]

early age arthritis

[stiff kernel]

I mean a difference of 100K dps is a lot

[placid wave]

?

[stiff kernel]

Anybody that hangs out in class discords is already going down that road imo lol

357K M+ Sim for Outlaw and 257K M+ Sim for Sin

[placid wave]

oh you're talking about m+ sims

yeah that's fake

[stiff kernel]

Fake news,

Got it

[balmy condor]

^

[placid wave]

don't think dslice sim is worth considering at all

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[stiff kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-gif-20325353

Why include it in the sheet then, might as well have a CNN logo in the corner

[slim hamlet]

They are

but to compare to your own spec

not others

[placid wave]

lmao

[real solar]

I mean you can use dslice sims to figure out what’s the best talents or gear for your own spec

not between diff specs

[placid wave]

shit even then dslice is cursed

[slim hamlet]

Number is fake, % is real

[stiff kernel]

Fair enough

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[grave warren]

Thanks

[tame cloak]

is there not a functioning macro for shadowmeld -> stealth poo

[placid wave]

i just use composites of patchwerk sims with different target counts to reason about gear choices for m+, not dslice

[snow plinth]

is there a rough amount of haste we want? had like... a lot of vers before but switched some gear around and now my stats look like this

[simple niche]

!carver

[mighty nexus]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[latent plover]

Are sims with PI reliable?

Droptimizer, Top gear etc

[indigo sinew]

is double on use good for assa?

nvm brand is like double the dps upgrade vs signet for me since i already have an on use

[proven current]

I didnt get my spark week 1, how do I get it now?

[tame cloak]

pretty sure same as before, it will rng drop fragments from dungeon/raid bosses

[mighty nexus]

I think week 1 spark was from the campaign quests wasnt it ?

[tame cloak]

er 1 half was from the weekly rep i'm pretty sure

[waxen oyster]

rep weekly gave you one half

and the quest you turned it in for two

[lavish isle]

i should go for trin or chest tier?

( dont have any set item yet )

[swift magnet]

does the 4p proc deals more damage if you envenom at higher cps?

[latent onyx]

still struggling a bit with aoe, are you only supposed to spread rupture with Indiscriminate Carnage or should you be refreshing rupture on multiple targets?

[tame cloak]

bruh is the delay from shadowmeld -> stealth really like 3-4s

[inland axle]

Hey, returning player here, a bit unsure about that system, but this should give me a Tier set chest piece right?

[balmy condor]

You can’t convert crafted items to tier

[mighty nexus]

That's just crafted gear. If you want to get tier set pieces, you get them through catalyst, or raid

or vault

[inland axle]

oh I see, I though the spark of dream made it Tier stuff

ok sound good thanks

[calm ivy]

hey, where can i find the right rota ?

some guy said to me i can find it here

[mighty nexus]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[potent python]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[austere fulcrum]

is tehre way to see my 4p uptime on details ?

[dark light]

is there a way to sim all of the weapon runes?

[real stirrup]

I see this a lot what is it?

[dapper hound]

Dagger buffs from 2nd boss

[echo geyser]

Guys how does Pip's trinket sim for assas? does it grab the right stat

[somber sparrow]

does your weakaura show the shiv debuff on the target

[strange python]

You don't really need to know the shiv debuff on target.

You just need to know when 8 sec left on kingsbane

[pure sparrow]

how much is CT doing for you guys in dungeons? like in your breakdown?

[bleak eagle]

hey another weird questsion but what should 4pc be doing overall about in keys

[echo geyser]

What build are people finding the best for this tyrannical week? Arterial precision with sudden demise or dragon tempered blades?

20+ keys

[subtle tundra]

i dont think it matters how many keys you do

[echo geyser]

hahaha

my bad +20 keys :)

[tender tinsel]

So I am looking at the guide for assa in WoWhead and crafted gear, I need Life Bound Bindings, but it doesn¨t say anything about what missive to use

[echo geyser]

=20

[tender tinsel]

Does anyone know?

[echo geyser]

probably crit mastery. At some point you might want to reroll it to minmax with what you already have

but cant go wrong with crit mastery while still finding ilvl upgrades here and there etc

[tender tinsel]

Fair

thnx

[tame condor]

I literally just crafted with crit mas

[vapid sierra]

whatever sims best

usually crit mast is the best option

[spiral salmon]

is 4 piece + legs

theoratically bis?

asking cause I have choice between shoulders & legs in chest, leaning towards the 480 shoulders and changing it to set piece

[tame condor]

AD legs are theoretical bis

so i guess get shoulders

[winter vapor]

what bosses are we working splatter option on (heroic and up)?

[trail karma]

we using hissing runes on weap or the crit ones still

[balmy condor]

gnarl, igira, council, larodar, tindral, fyrakk

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

[winter vapor]

ty Whispyr

[snow kindle]

Sim it if u rly wanna know

[trail karma]

ty guys

[modest gale]

which trinket should i play with b ranch in raid?

[vivid kiln]

Why some assassins pop vanish and shadow dance at the same time?

[balmy condor]

idiots probably

[balmy condor]

signet/pips/sandglass all good options

[vivid kiln]

Saw you do it aswell on your video

[balmy condor]

vanish AND dance at the same time?

[vivid kiln]

So its not the right way?

Yeah

[main oriole]

how much RNG is there in kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

you never saw me do that

I guarantee it

[vivid kiln]

Well i did

1 sec

[severe condor]

lol

[tame condor]

OOooOoOooo

[proven jasper]

oh HE SAW YOU WHISPYR

CAUGHT RED HANDED

[balmy condor]

if I did I delete the video

[lunar helm]

You may have seen him Shadowdance at the start of a kingsbane, and vanish at the end

[tame condor]

lol

[vivid kiln]

XD

[balmy condor]

that's a re-record territory

I've re-recorded videos for less than that

[vivid kiln]

But i should only use shadow dance and vanish to refresh garrotes?

[balmy condor]

you use dance to snapshot kingsbane

[proven jasper]

[balmy condor]

and vanish on the last 3 for ma

[vivid kiln]

Snapshot?

[balmy condor]

aight my confidence in you is rapidly dwindling ngl

[vivid kiln]

Huh bro im new to sin

[loud galleon]

Whos got an opinion on the Cruel Dreamcarver dagger?

[lunar helm]

you caught a supposed vanish on shadowdance but not all of the important parts?

[balmy condor]

it's a dagger that does nothing

[subtle kiln]

it’s cruel

[keen spruce]

if you get a high ilvl one

it saves you some crests when you get a nick of time

[loud galleon]

lol

[lunar helm]

lol'

[waxen oyster]

nicholas of time placeholder

[proven jasper]

fr

[stable island]

its pointless and i hate it

[vivid kiln]

Should i shiv insta on kingsbane or wait a little? Heard something about Waiting a little

[waxen oyster]

i forgot you cant just equip a wep in both slots

to save crests on the offhand

[brazen zodiac]

👍

[slate crown]

It is very important to remember this: If you ever watch a streamer, or youtube creator's gameplay, it will not always be pixel perfect. People are human and make mistakes. Players, including RWF raiders, are not optimal simulation machines. Even they can make mistakes, and not every gameplay pattern they do is a candidate to be micro-examined to try to understand. Sometimes it just isn't that deep.

[tame condor]

can someone explain the 'timestrike' affect on the Nick of Time dagger?

[proven jasper]

Pin this shit

[waxen oyster]

free damage

[balmy condor]

incorrect, I am perfect

[keen spruce]

it does damage

[loud galleon]

an occasional 400 dmg

[keen spruce]

same

[lunar helm]

basically an extra proc of dmg chance

[slate crown]

I am defeated

[tame condor]

lol, okay.... why not just have that then

[slate crown]

[loud galleon]

1% damage

[proven jasper]

You say that like it even drops

[balmy condor]

[stable island]

imagine not getting a hero track on your 2nd run of fall smh

[keen spruce]

it's more thematic to the whole time shtick

basically everyhing you do can put a little debuff on shit you're hitting. after debuff expires, tiny bit of damage happens.

[waxen oyster]

somehow i think beast or mechanical for dreamcarver are the most useful

[keen spruce]

ooooo very timey

[waxen oyster]

10% leech under half hp

[loud galleon]

yeah, i mean the extra damage is nice, but like... the survivability / oh fucky wucky

[waxen oyster]

or mechagnome racial

[loud galleon]

is just.. drool worthy.

[gusty sleet]

So, is assassination just keeping up the poisons, slice and dice, uhm, the other one that goes on the enemy, and gerrote, then just envenom?

[slate crown]

Just watching the race prog, NOW I see why private auras made sense, archimonde lines and shit

and soak groups

[loud galleon]

if you get slice and dice on

and you start envenoming,

itll stay up pretty much the whole time

[indigo epoch]

Kingsbane usage is pretty important.

[eternal turtle]

whats the range on caustic splatter?

[robust axle]

Wait are we using wafting devotion on weaps now?

[gusty sleet]

Forgot about kingsbane and the mark thing

[loud galleon]

we are it just sims better.

[waxen oyster]

kb feels more impactful than deathmark

[gusty sleet]

I’ll have to look at how kingsbane and the brand work into the situation

[keen spruce]

once you have decent gear yeah

robot will want you to switch to wafting

[gusty sleet]

Robot tells me my gear sucks to much to do damage lol

[keen spruce]

10yd?

[waxen oyster]

robot tells me i gain 8k dps from obtaining a branch

[keen spruce]

not sure actualy

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

i guess you branch late since buff is only 10s

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

or is there some cheesy shit with staggering them

[runic hinge]

@balmy condor does CT snapshot damage based on number of targets, ie. if the boss summons 3 adds and I press CT does it keep the 180% bonus damage or does it go down as things die

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

does the buff refresh to 10 if you pick up the orbs staggered

[slate crown]

Yes

[simple parcel]

hey guys can i ask do i need to focus keep my energy up to %50? whole fight or its just not that much worth to focus?

[slate crown]

get the bloops

[celest marlin]

is this season 2p beter then last seasons 4p?

[weak sierra]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[stuck hull]

Anyone got any tips on not running out of energy on bosses after the initial opener/burst window? Am I just spamming Envenom too much? Mainly talking about M+ so no Blindside for free Ambushes

[scarlet gorge]

any suggestions what might be the best talent build for mythics?

[balmy condor]

wowhead rotation page ctrl+f pooling

[scarlet gorge]

running kingsbane and indiscriminate carnage rn

[keen spruce]

all of the recommended are good on wowhead. very much personal preference

[balmy condor]

wowhead tier page

[indigo epoch]

https://youtu.be/UG0zGACDAuY?si=5EFAuAH4P-ROxl4R

[balmy condor]

wowhead rotation page ctrl+f pooling

[scarlet gorge]

sounds good thanks

[stuck hull]

Yeah so literally just pressing Envenom too much outside of cooldowns lmfao. Thank you.

[balmy condor]

np

[slate crown]

bullet hell enjoyers getting a real leg up here (On M fyrakk)

[sharp pawn]

so we dont craft elemental lariat ?

go for the craft boots

? .)

[balmy condor]

do you already have all 9 sockets or whatever how many

[sharp pawn]

no i just came back s3

[balmy condor]

head 3 neck belt wrist 2 ring

8 sockets

then no

no lariat

[junior aurora]

is it 8 when lariat pulls ahead

[sharp pawn]

oh ok

[balmy condor]

lariat doesn't even really pull ahead at 8

it's just good at 8

[junior aurora]

ah

i know some specs i was hearing at 5 gems it becomes one of their best

[balmy condor]

it's like blue silk lining at low uptime, but without the uptime

[indigo mulch]

Uh, anyone having like major lag on tindral whne the root spawns?

[waxen oyster]

yeah i lagged last night

[balmy condor]

put down your view distance if you haven't already

[indigo mulch]

but its only when the root spawns

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[balmy condor]

yeh

but it doesn't help

[waxen oyster]

view distance

[subtle kiln]

raid has no view distance. set it to 0

[waxen oyster]

any ranged too far out well

skill issue

[indigo mulch]

its always been 1 D;

[waxen oyster]

unless it's igira then ranged decide to grief

and drop spears right on the melee

[wispy ermine]

Anybody ask for a brand?

[indigo mulch]

I can't go to 0 atleast

lmao

[lavish wagon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[indigo mulch]

Someone told me its plater that kills your fps there. I'm not sure about that tho D;

[junior olive]

do yall have a weak aura that shows when you're not in range for attack

[rancid trout]

any good weak aura to track arterial precision?

[vapid sierra]

what makes assa a good ass pi target this tier compared to last? is it the energy regen for env chaning and dot tick rate

[candid goblet]

poison stack application rate

[real pike]

anyone else suffering with energy issues? I'm using all 3 Thistle Teas before the second SD :/

[loud hearth]

What is the non-opener Kingsbane sequence (e.g. 1 min KB).

4+CP > Env > Shiv > SD + KB > Garrote > Amb > Env ?

[jaunty phoenix]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[haughty jungle]

What would you guys do here?
I have hands already, and have catalist unused and will get token when get 2000 rating (1700 from previous week)
Should I take Myth shoulders and convert them and then wait for next week catalist or to go for chest and get 4 set this week?

[indigo mulch]

I got myself a hc brand atleast D:

Still no witherbark tho

[candid goblet]

Nobody can actually see the Branch orbs during raid fights, right

or is it just me

especially heroic with 30+ people

[indigo epoch]

It's such a tight spot they spawn I don't find them hard to hit even when I can't see em

[serene wyvern]

which one is better to use first

?

[indigo mulch]

Witherbark

[deft cave]

u can use bark and force cheat death in opener so u have both at same

[slate crown]

nope

doesn't work like that

[balmy condor]

not how that works lmao

[indigo mulch]

[deft cave]

was just meming, idk if it works (thanks god it doesnt)

[serene wyvern]

thnx xD

[sweet dawn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[twin plume]

what weapon enchants we using for m+?

[balmy condor]

wafting

[cerulean nest]

what should I do if my spriest is using PI like 2 seconds after pull lol

accelerated opener?

[gaunt sigil]

I personally just continue as normal

Idk if it’s the right thing to do but

[cerulean nest]

idk how it fits in their own rotation

so not sure if it's a huge inconvenience for them to move it back

[naive canyon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gaunt sigil]

Spriest sends it pretty close to on pull

Idk anything about spriest otherwise

I’m lucky to get a healer priest PI so it’s just whenever I press DM

But sadly no WFT in our raid

[modest gale]

on 4-5 targets in raid st build with spatter do i fan of knives or ambush proc if i got it?

[snow kindle]

Probably both

The proc is free so

[gaunt sigil]

Proc>FoK

I think

[snow kindle]

If the mobs are gonna die in two seconds sending the fok is better

[cerulean nest]

maybe I'll jockey for that instead of spriest

[fair ingot]

I personally keep the proc and just use this to refresh spatter and use fok otherwise

[waxen oyster]

is 2secs into pull even that big

you'll still fit entire kb

[gaunt sigil]

I’m the only excellent PI target in my raid so I get a healer PI by default

[waxen oyster]

until the ranged start complaining

[cerulean nest]

we have an unholy that they kinda swap between us

[gusty mirage]

they who now

uhdk gets like 500 more dps

but does no damage

[strange python]

!fuu

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[fallow acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dancing-oh-yeah-gif-1947895700584401971

getting PI'd in a mythic+ with a priest who watches your CD's in a PUG

[sage cargo]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[sage cargo]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[sage cargo]

Is anyone log reviewing here? 🙂

[cerulean nest]

I mean ours rips

[deft vault]

send me one in dm and i can

[spice spire]

You can post and I can thread it

[vernal adder]

what is the dreamcarver command?

[sage cargo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NQ8P4A2GnwTc6f7t#fight=27&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[sage cargo]

I'm petethecow

[vernal adder]

ah

ty

[real stirrup]

just cruel dreamcarver? For the macro?

[vernal adder]

what buff to take?

[waxen oyster]

dragon for the movespeed clearly

[runic hinge]

Beast so you can jump off shit and not die

[waxen oyster]

interestingly enough the buff stays on

through traveling through zones and all

[winter gale]

Mechanical

[waxen oyster]

for high damage fights realistically i think beast is better

[sharp pier]

What spec is most harder to dps?

[waxen oyster]

bm hunter

[sharp pier]

Rogue lol

[runic hinge]

Sub

[sharp pier]

But true

[runic hinge]

Wait

Feral

[sharp pier]

Ye feral rogue

My favorite

Why so u think sub is hard

Just ask

[cerulean nest]

why does bloodmallet have them top

[runic hinge]

Cds are weird and things changed drastically with the changes to shadow blades and dance. So I think it’s the most different than it was.

[gusty mirage]

cause lust + PI + full CDs = lots of damage

then they do nothing

lmao

for the rest of the fight

[runic hinge]

So I think getting the most out of it is probably gonna take the most brain power

[sharp pier]

Oke

[vagrant hearth]

best talents for tyranical pls

[runic hinge]

I think assa takes planning but I’ve played it the most so I don’t think it’s terribly difficult and outlaw is just speed but it doesn’t have a ton of buttons

That’s just my imo

[cerulean walrus]

Watch out. Guy might come in here and start preaching from the heavens about the difficulty of Outlaw (again)

[runic hinge]

Some people have trouble with assa cause they’re bad at dot maintenance

[cerulean walrus]

[sharp pier]

Outlaw?

[runic hinge]

Outlaw has me staring at weak auras so I can react to procs but tbh now that audacity is automatic like blindside I bet it’s probably not that hard. I mean it’s got like 3 buttons

[sharp pier]

One button

Lol

Bte + bte + bte

[sage cargo]

b

og

[grim jay]

@balmy condor look at that thing of beauty

[runic hinge]

It’s also just not my thing. I like dot classes for the most part.

[sharp pier]

Some one thinks outlaw is hard?

Maybe before rework ye...
But maybe

[cerulean walrus]

Brother he’s the Outlaw CF

[thin gate]

does some1 know how many procs/min the porcelain crab from tott has?

[cerulean walrus]

Of course he’s gonna preach about it

[eternal heath]

getting declined for 16s, what do they want from me

Aside from being a DH

[runic hinge]

Be ranged maybe

[cerulean walrus]

Sorry dog only a +2 17?

[thin gate]

Whispyr is gonna kill u for not bringing silence

[hexed willow]

Why don’t you have 2500 already?

[eternal heath]

Because am bad

[hexed willow]

Same Adiuva same

[eternal heath]

Still have 3 keys I havent done this week

[molten galleon]

hwo does this work?

[eternal heath]

Probably just need to host mine

[eternal heath]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[thin gate]

useless tbh

the on use

[sharp pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1009597837761314947.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[hexed willow]

False

10% movement speed is wonderful

Especially cause it can roll other tertiaries too

So it’s essentially a dagger with up to 3 tertiaries

[fading patrol]

hey with branch trinket should i take the bubble fasst as possible?

[hexed willow]

1:1:4-9 in terms of seconds to grab

[glossy grove]

is sub stronger than assa with 4p?

[hexed willow]

!smolderon

Aw only in sub

[glossy grove]

Aw?

[hexed willow]

Sub’s cooldowns can line up better for certain bosses

[glossy grove]

ah oaky

[molten galleon]

for how long is the buff ?

[hexed willow]

Until you unequip

[fading patrol]

so 2 instant and one at 4 sec left

[hexed willow]

No after 4s

I grab 2 immediately and then let the last come to me

[fading patrol]

okok ty

[grim jay]

forgot to switch back

it just came out on top bcs no dps vs dps talent

[hexed willow]

Also no sudden demise??

[proven jasper]

Yeah thats pretty cursed ngl

[grim jay]

didnt feel like sudden demise is too insane on high keys

[proven jasper]

Dtb with no amp poison is something else

[grim jay]

yep. its kinda wild. even how it sims is wild

[boreal raven]

havent played sin in a while, if theres a situation where a boss phases or whatever else, have to do a mechanic etc. and you end up with like 30-45s left on deathmark n havent used ur SD/kingsbane, at that point do you just hold them for the deathmark?

[hexed willow]

10% for all of your bleeds is quite substantial though

not even the "instant death" affect

[proven jasper]

Truth

[austere fulcrum]

guys quick question, which bosses we were takigng caustic on new raid ?

[jaunty phoenix]

why is my sandglass simming by far the best?

compared to all trinkets

[tame cloak]

does shadowmeld -> stealth just not work on any trash now? ran it like 7 times during tot and it wouldn't work on any packs

[grim jay]

it doesnt sim much lower in aoe

and it sims higher in st

so it cant be that big

[solemn kite]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Zc6nRb48fxVhFPNv#fight=70&type=damage-done is there any gamers out there that can tell me what it is im doing wrong?

[proven jasper]

Idk either way you not taking iron wire makes me upset

talent is so strong in m+

[grim jay]

read up what I said before

so you dont get upset too easily

[proven jasper]

I did read

[grim jay]

so you get upset by copy mistakes, thats not good

[buoyant herald]

Only volcoross, nymue and smolderon are ST, caustic for all others imo

[hexed willow]

Our utility is so great though. Like tott with assassination is wonderful

[proven jasper]

Nah im just upset you didnt fix it

[safe zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-hi-there-greetings-gif-9442662

[austere fulcrum]

thank u

[vapid sierra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

jesus christ

fuck council

im so happy its over

[steel ridge]

200k+ sim club

😄

[balmy condor]

why do you insist on being wrong

[safe zodiac]

guys can someone please teach me some assassination? i was a sub last season and i liked the fact that it was a two button class but assassination seems very difficult and overwhelming for me, my main problem is managing my energy

[tame cloak]

bleed more stuff

???

profit

[grim jay]

dunno. I'm kinda unhappy today, I dont know why

[dark light]

look up whispyrs opener guide on YT

[safe zodiac]

every video is like boom boom this boom boom that, the guy spams every ability, my ability bar is grey on the 4th dot i apply

[tame cloak]

this will solve all ur energy problems

treat asass like a dot mgmt class in m+

[vapid sierra]

4set acquired

[tame cloak]

and u will thrive

[lunar pasture]

What poisons do you want to use for m+ and raid?

[vapid sierra]

crafintg dagger now

[vapid sierra]

atro for raid numbing for m+ generally

[dark light]

you gotta pool energy to chain envenoms

[vapid sierra]

then deadly and amp as damage poisons

crippling isnt worth using since slow speed oftentimes is worse on adds

[lunar pasture]

Thank you

[lunar pasture]

Thank you

[safe zodiac]

can someone write me the aoe openner if possible? i keep forgetting it

[grim jay]

or cover both if you got 2 rogues, somehow many miss it

[safe zodiac]

also i panic after the openner and im like "wtf to press now"

[tame cloak]

the wowhead one is pretty accurate

[hexed willow]

Wowhead is 10/10

[tame cloak]

assass is a pure practice-to-get-good spec

u will learn that mouseover/target manipulation is huge

[oak lagoon]

If i have full energy and everything is up, should i spend it on envenom? until like half

[safe zodiac]

can someone share me the link if possible?

[vapid sierra]

you pool to 220 ish envonem then start chaning and once yo cant chain anymore you go back to pooling

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[vapid sierra]

grab the pooling practice tool

[dark light]

probably but you need to watch for your next kb and keep resources for that mainly

[waxen oyster]

you need to mash buttons less

[gusty mirage]

why on earth would you craft a dagger

[waxen oyster]

s2 sub was spam ungabunga

[safe zodiac]

exactly

[dark light]

just go on youtube and look up whispyr

its very clear and he breaks it down to two parts

[grim jay]

its not the first one

[safe zodiac]

thank you

[grim jay]

dunno if its some youtube guide

[tame cloak]

where my nelf assass m+ at i need to know if they're having issues with shadowmeld stealth

[grim jay]

or something

[cerulean nest]

everyone just running hybrid build in keys this week?

[safe zodiac]

if anyone has any tips or anything by all means tell me, i very much wanna learn this spec

[sage cargo]

Doesn't hybrid heavily reduce your ST tho

[grim jay]

no, there is an AP build that sims higher in st aswell

[clever sapphire]

help me, council made everyone go crazy

[strange python]

you gotta like start learning - and then come back with specific questions, honestly.

[harsh pebble]

457 Nelth's Call Call to Suffering still sims 2.6k higher than 483 My'das 😦

[sage cargo]

How do you guys feel like your ST is in the AP build?

[zealous stream]

i have a button for shadowdance, and a macro for kingsbane + shadowdance, is this fine? KB should be used with SD all the time?

[sage cargo]

I feel like my dmg is so lackluster compared to my outlaw rogue st 😦

[cerulean nest]

oh nice

[cerulean walrus]

Cause Mydas is shit for Sin

[safe zodiac]

my problem is panicking after openner

[cerulean nest]

any gameplay change?

[sage cargo]

At least in m+. It's so weird for me

[strange python]

I feel it's competitive with everyone else's m+ build

[tame cloak]

outlaw doesn't really have downtime for st

we need to save all cds to be big bois

[strange python]

I mean why are you pacnicking? just dot stuff, make combo points, spend em

[static glacier]

we did it gang

[clever sapphire]

ap build is simming 5k behind in ST and 8k behind in aoe for me, so im not touching AP build unless its a +11

[sage cargo]

Honestly feels like I'm gtiefing dps on bosses when I play sin compared to outlaw

[static glacier]

over 300k dps on tindral

[harsh pebble]

i've been asked to use on mythic smolderon

[dark light]

dont spend shivs or thistle tea unless you need to, keep rupture and garrote up

[sage cargo]

But maybe I just need to be better at saving cd's for oust timings

[vapid sierra]

because farming double nick is gonna be a long farm

[safe zodiac]

on what i dont know

[cerulean walrus]

[vapid sierra]

and i still have 447's

[cerulean walrus]

Alrighty

[sage cargo]

Do we never use shiv outside of cd's?

[gusty mirage]

literally farm any other dagger

[dark light]

pool and then chain envenoms when you can'

[cerulean nest]

4set?

[safe zodiac]

how much overall damage you guys do in a ...lets say 17-20+?

[tame cloak]

getting familiar with how fast the dps is will help a lot when knowing when to send kb / dm and having it ready for next setup

[clever sapphire]

ye xd

[cerulean nest]

dang same

[strange python]

go sim your character - choose target dummy, 5 minutes. Continue hitting the target dummy in 5 min intervals - until you get within like 10% of that number.

[cerulean nest]

whatever ill try it

[dark light]

dont lose a cast of it is the rule

[sage cargo]

Wait does hybrid sim better ST with 4p???

[strange python]

doesn't matter

[clever sapphire]

for me it does by a great margin

[sage cargo]

This changes everything Lul. Let's go acrobatic strikes!

[mellow copper]

Guys which build would you recommend to a new assa player for m+ ?

[sage cargo]

I hate not having acrobatic

[grim jay]

did you sim the variants tho

[strange python]

I mean the sim is always assuming that the targets will live the full kingsbane right?

[cedar star]

During kingsbane, do I prioritize 100% shiv uptime or envenom with 4p. Optimally it’s both, but if I make a mistake which is more important

[clever sapphire]

yap

[strange python]

arterial has more room for margins of error - and it's kinda hard to probably replicate "real-world" events - such as sudden demise (when other people are also hitting stuff).

arterial feels much better, to me personally

[ebon quest]

Envenom…unless rupture is in pandemic range

[safe rover]

been playing AP today and the hybrid one feels way more comfy

[safe zodiac]

how much overall can a good assassination do? can assa outdamage a demo lock?

[dark light]

make sure shiv lasts through kb then with 6s use Thistle tea

[ebon quest]

AOE or ST?

[safe zodiac]

aoe

[cedar star]

So if I have to make a choice between dropping shiv for a global or envenom… cast shiv?

Once again, this is assuming I make a mistake and put myself in this situation.

[ebon quest]

I do not know much about demo locks as I don’t run with one in my group. But Sin damage in AOE is more than average

[strange python]

you shiv at under 8, thistle at under 6, and vanish at under 3

[cedar star]

Ok

[eternal heath]

Felt decent, 17 DHT

[dark light]

idk just dont would be my response

[eternal heath]

Bosses still feel weird with pooling style

[dark light]

its a super easy thing to not do

[safe zodiac]

and what are the ideal stats? i saw a you tube vid the guy had 70% mastery and i was like bruh...

[real stirrup]

you love to see it. Edit: Didn't mean to reply to you

[cedar star]

I mean, “git gud” is fair enough

[dark light]

whatever sim says

[agile wedge]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[ebon quest]

All of our stats are weighted very close, but mastery crit haste verse is the order

[real stirrup]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[real stirrup]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[north geode]

I have omni curio and 1 catalyst. How can I sim if it's better to lose old 4set for 2set + 2set?

[real stirrup]

hmm how do I submit my log?

[dark light]

paste it from warcraft logs

into wowanalyzer

[ebon quest]

I’m pretty sure the general advice is to always get the new 2 set as soon as available

[real stirrup]

ahh right cool ty

[cedar star]

Always break 4p

[real stirrup]

yes

[mellow copper]

do i ambush or mutilate from stealth ?

[dark light]

garrote

or do you mean during vanish?

[mellow copper]

im fcking dumb

😄

[ebon quest]

Pretty sure the answer is still garotte lol

[north geode]

Okay then how can I sim if it's better to take 476 helmet from vault and convert it but lose power of decay embelish or just convert some other piece?

[real stirrup]

wait so this wowananalyser is better than a human?

[mellow copper]

no im coming back to assa after playing outlaw for so long and trying to put it all together 😄 But yeah what about from vanish ?

[dark light]

during vanish you prob want first to be envenom so you can fit 2 in during window

IMO

[dark light]

yes

[solid void]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[real stirrup]

do we only crimson tempest during shadow dance, it's saying i need it to have 100% uptime

[dark light]

no just keep it up in aoe

[real stirrup]

so usually after rupture, envenom is applied?

[orchid wind]

hey guys, i'm new to sub, after using kingbane and entering shadowdance, does it matter if i use shiv on Sd window ? or before sd ?

[ebon quest]

Why wouldn’t you envenom then vanish so it’s already up?

[eternal heath]

Oh nice got t he DHT neck

1k dps upgrade

[real stirrup]

where do you get the neck?

[dark light]

why wouldnt you be at max combo points with 3-2s left of last envenom already

and you get moma on envenom then garrote to empower it

[eternal heath]

darkheart thicket

[kind forge]

Lul

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quiet oar]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[quiet oar]

Is this updated? Nevermind its outdated

[proper igloo]

how do i macro ashes a -0.3?

[sage cargo]

Do we finish at 4+ or 5+ CP?

[kind forge]

4+

[ebon quest]

I think I would be at max combo point before then usually so I would envenom then vanish with the 3 seconds left on my KB

[sage cargo]

Aight, then wowanalyzer isn't 100% updated

[jaunty phoenix]

wh is my ashes simming like crap?

[dark light]

why waste moma

[jaunty phoenix]

comapred to sandlgass

[quiet oar]

Do you ahve branch

[slate crown]

?

[jaunty phoenix]

yes

i do

[quiet oar]

thats why

[jaunty phoenix]

ideally do i use both tho?

[quiet oar]

No

[jaunty phoenix]

i have sandglass

[proper igloo]

the pin says to macro ashes with king at -0.3

[quiet oar]

You only use one of them

[jaunty phoenix]

ait

[quiet oar]

You can only use one of them

In your burst phase

[jaunty phoenix]

ye makes sense

ty

[ebon quest]

How is that wasting it? I’m taking advantage of NS by refreshing dots and MOMA is buffing the last 3 big ticks of my KB

[orchid wind]

guys, i'm new to sin , after using kingbane and entering shadowdance, does it matter if i use shiv on Sd window ? or before sd ?

[slate crown]

No it says “macro it with kingsbane” “for -0.3” what it means is that you lose 0.3% dps if you macro it to kingsbane, but it makes it easier to use.

[dark light]

you can do both

[proper igloo]

got ya thanks!

[quiet oar]

Is this in your KB bar?

[orchid wind]

and is there a reason guide says refresh dots on vanish / sd window ?

[dark light]

garrote stays empowered

[modest gale]

how much is %upgrade from 2p+2p to 4p?

[ebon quest]

I mean I guess you could, but I try to refresh my garotte then ambush then rupture so the rupture has more combo points to it

[slate crown]

Indeed it is! As of a couple days ago

[quiet oar]

Oh so i have to update

Ty

[slate crown]

I have made several updates lately yah

[dark light]

empowered rupture isnt that big

[quiet oar]

I already siad thanks

But your Bar is so nice

No thinking

[slate crown]

[ebon quest]

Oh….well I did not know that…is it a better idea to Envenom over rupture in that scenario?

[solemn kite]

@balmy condor https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Zc6nRb48fxVhFPNv#fight=70&type=damage-done if you got any time is there something im doing wrong rotationally? anyone who can help would be greatly appreciated

[weak crescent]

i was doing so well

😭

[ebon quest]

Ooof what happened there lol

[gusty mirage]

listen

sometimes you just strafe into the breath

it is what it is

[slate crown]

Sometimes the fire just calls to you. Sings it’s delightful song. Why wouldn’t you go in? It’s so warm. It was made for you.

[jade dawn]

Is it better to have 2/2pc tier or stick with 4pc till you can get 4pc season 3?

[soft shale]

2/2

[acoustic pendant]

hello guys, quick question. There are so many m+ talents for assa and i dont know which to pick and why, could i get some guidance ?

[violet hollow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vernal adder]

[kind forge]

Oh boy I completely ignored that pin and intend ashes for a week

[proven current]

!opener

[dark light]

get both if you can but dont waste envenom casts for rupture

[split jewel]

sudden demise on ozumat is hilarious:

[proven current]

anywhere I can find the opener

[quaint dragon]

should we always stay above 50% energy?

[slim hamlet]

Is Cataclysmic Signet Brand also doing like no dmg for everyone else?

[ruby coyote]

anyone has a rogue tier set copy-pasta for Raidbots Top Gear?

[chilly marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim hamlet]

700k is miniscule for heroic ilvl

[spice surge]

RNG yep

[slim hamlet]

Is it really rng enough that the other rogue legit did 7x as much

[spice surge]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

holy

[spice surge]

Every extra proc you get does more damage

Ontop of actually being an extra time it does damage

[runic hinge]

This is what I’m doing because it’s better than forgetting to press it at all

[empty timber]

4.4m omg

[exotic rose]

Hey guys, I have a question about AOE Opener. Why SND + FoK instead of FoK + Rupture? Wouldn't the rupture be affected by nightstalker which would be more dmg?

[lucid rain]

because you're at 3 or fewer targets

where getting slice and dice has more value

[runic hinge]

Snd is important to have running and 10% on some ruptures at the beginning of a 3 pack isn’t as important

[sharp swallow]

does everbloom drop its rings? doesnt show in dungeon journal dunno if bugged

[exotic rose]

Cool, thank you gentleman.

[neat horizon]

is this build good this week?

[novel veldt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[real stirrup]

is anyone doing slightly worse dps on galakrond - rotation feels alien in the dungeon

[strange python]

When in doubt about priority - ask yourself "does this affect Kingsbane at all?" - slice and dice - more poison procs (bigger Kingsbane).
Everything revolves around Kingsbane

[mortal crystal]

I've gone sub in Galakrond, assass hasn't felt good in there

[sweet dawn]

Sudden demise stonks

[proven current]

how do you optimize kingsbane damage

[neat horizon]

is it ?

[real stirrup]

interesting

[lean kite]

I feel like giving up DTB is a big hit to your Kingsbane damage which is going to be a big portion of your ST. I think I'd give up some of that stuff on the left to get DTB back. Even in Tyranical weeks, AoE is still more important

[mortal crystal]

Outlaw is probably better but I don't like outlaw :p

[lean kite]

(And also with caustic spatter, Kingsbane is important even to AoE)

As others have said. Sin is allllll about Kingsbane

[neat horizon]

Hmm i see

so i should go with the hybrid build ?

no shiv cleave tho

[lean kite]

Shiv cleave isn't much damage in AoE

Even with the poison/bleed boost

Most mythic specs don't take it

[arctic apex]

How's this damage breakdown? +10 Everbloom, 451 ilvl, no tier

This what it should kinda look like? Still learning

[neat horizon]

like this ?

[lean kite]

Caustic Spatter is super low. Were you keeping your mutilates up?

[eternal heath]

Man AD sucks

[lean kite]

Yeah, that looks better.

[neat horizon]

alright will give it a go ty

[lean kite]

Also saw it was a +10 so things might've been dying too quick to get everything properly rolling. Sin AoE definitely has some ramp. I generally have spatter damage a lot higher than that. It's especially important that it's up for those final KB ticks.

[hushed fern]

how are people doing ST dps in m+ curtrentlya with hybrid build??

[strange python]

you are probably playing hybrid build then

[lean kite]

Yeah I am

[strange python]

yeah casutic spatter is way higher in hybrid

[arctic apex]

I feel like I was. Seemed maybe like by the time I got Ruptures on most things, it was too late. Maybe less emphasis on Ruptures?

[feral mason]

wth i got kingsbane and spatter top 2 usually xd

idk what yall doing

[arctic apex]

I am playing Arterial build

[feral mason]

trinket at 9% dps says quite a bit i suppose

[hushed fern]

only viable with 4set in m+ i think#

[frigid kestrel]

My Spatter damage is usually from %8 - %10. But idk if it’s just me but the set up can take a bit at times

[feral mason]

it takes 4 gcds to apply splatter on almost every pull in m+

[lean kite]

It took me FOREVER to get used to weaving in those mutilates....and then when I did. I'd forget to hit temptest. I have so many M+ parses that are just embarassing

[arctic apex]

Oh I see. Ok maybe I'll try the hybrid build more

[strange python]

yeah, what's it say?

[feral mason]

garrote garrote rupture mutilate ftk rupture

[half moss]

wrists are lifebound bindings with toxic patch, and crit mastery ya?

[rapid mirage]

how do yall deal with massive pulls with a BM in the group? Im trying to break the habbit of "Setting up" as if it were a ST pull. and i hate wasting cd's

[strange python]

Do you have that trinket lol, it's wreckin but keep sayin what you say to feel good about yourself

[feral mason]

don’t you think that if a trinket were to do 9% of everyones damage that it would be at the top of assa bis list

[mossy canopy]

Is it viable to garrote the same target twice to spread it during carnage? Flipping between targets on huge pulls ducks me up

[strange python]

I mean show me the list that shows trinkets in aoe?

[lean kite]

In M+, especially pugs, I've been saving dance/Vanish to reapply empowered garrotes instead of using them to juice Kingsbane and that's helped me from becoming energy starved. With my regular team I shift to using them to juice Kingsbane on large single pulls and can trust them to let me restealth.

[lean kite]

Yup, I do this. Twice on the same target will five targets garroted and it's much, much easier to keep a focus for spatter

[strange python]

We +3'd it and i was highest dps so...is what it is. But keep calling people bad because they post their damage breakdown.

[feral mason]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5

[strange python]

oh look

9.12%

[subtle tundra]

OH

WOW

[strange python]

[feral mason]

nah man if you think that’s what that means then i give up

have a good night

[strange python]

l8er

[remote spire]

is there a minimum haste cap you should have to play assa?

[manic quartz]

no

i started from full versa/crit from s2 have done just fine

[remote spire]

I am at the same spot

[lean kite]

Sin scales pretty well with everything. I think mastery is the best, but not by a huge margin so I think you can focus on pure ilvl.

[manic quartz]

all but versa are very close

[safe zodiac]

am i on the right poisons?

[remote spire]

Thanks for the info lads, I am at 1,6% haste that is why I am asking 😛

[feral mason]

atrophic might be better for tyr week, depends if you trust your tank enough

would recommend that for m+ generally though

[lean kite]

Yeah. A lot of people use atrophic poison instead of mind numbing though depending on the tank/content

[feral mason]

have seen some tanks where i wished i had numbing that key haha

[manic quartz]

i never use crippling because i think it hinders the grouping of mobs 😒

[proven jasper]

..

[feral mason]

i use crippling during certain packs only aswell

esp last week i didnt use it ever

[proven jasper]

its basically always good besides sanguine

[lean kite]

That's a good point on crippling. I don't think this season has a lot of mobs who run away

[feral mason]

yeah just been doing a lot of farm keys recently

bit of a pain to pull triple packs if they walk slow ash

[manic quartz]

everbloom ww mob charges to healer and ww and takes 7 years ti get back

[proven jasper]

Fair

[strange python]

For the record, the 9.12 - literally means %

so, not sure what dood was on

[proven current]

shoudl I always stay above 50% energyt?

[manic quartz]

no

[strange python]

Not to mention, there are so many other variables present in an m+ run - such as size of packs, icd of trinkets in relation to those packs, etc etc. It's not a 1:1 comparison where you're statically fighting 5 things that never die.

[lucid silo]

i used it on sanguine because it allowed us to push them out of sanguine and keep them out of it

[manic quartz]

you chain envenoms untill you cant and then pool up and start again, if you have 4set clip em

[proven jasper]

theres still better trinkets than augury in 5 target either way

[balmy condor]

what do you think it means

[feral mason]

stats are also represented in that number

[balmy condor]

well yeah

[feral mason]

on top of not everything in m+ being aoe

[balmy condor]

but you gotta compare items somehow

[feral mason]

i dm’d him about it alr, dont want to clog the chat

[grim tangle]

I'm disappointed in this volcoross neck, it seems to proc on pull and then never again

[strange python]

you dm'd me?

no thanks man - you literally pulled my 9% out of my log i posted for someone else

to insinuate i was bad

get lost

[timber meadow]

i assume around ~95% uptime on envenom on a pure st boss with rare mechanics is pretty doable?

[balmy condor]

yes

[timber meadow]

so this is just what we had before but with an actual big payoff

i was always under the impression that it was a dmg increase just super marginal before

[runic hinge]

I hardly notice it ever proccing

[strange python]

you guys are getting 95% uptime on envenom? you using that 2 sec talent or no?

[timber meadow]

i think if you play well and dont get downtime mechanics 95% is solid

you'll never get 100% cause of opener

[strange python]

hrmm yeah that sounds high but i've never checked mine

[surreal spear]

Whats our move to not get energy starved in ST? O.o

[barren forge]

okay oO thought double teri isnt a thing anymore

[slate crown]

I mean you have moments of pooling during ST

[strange python]

did you watch whispyr's pooling video?

[slate crown]

where your chain drops and you sit for 5-8 seconds doing nothing with no envenom

[surreal spear]

I will do that now 😮

[slate crown]

so that'll count against your uptime, it's not just the opener

[silk imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

yeah it's like my fun minigame inside the game

[timber meadow]

i dont think you need to have too many of these

[slate crown]

You will with dropped chains, and no you won't have too many of them

[timber meadow]

just mini pool min/max the buff

[slate crown]

Yes, I'm aware.

[timber meadow]

like on a good pull, maybe one short dropped chain or somethin

• opener

[feral mason]

pants have guaranteed leech so its possible on that item

[slate crown]

Like it's not like before

in 10.1 where it was literal 100% uptime always except opener

[grim tangle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nXDac7PNTwhpZmtd#fight=125&type=auras&ability=427268 like something is bugged with the neck, it should just give you a shield every minute, these 2 rogues got 3 total shields when they should have gotten 10 shields total over the fight

[barren forge]

ah okay

[thick briar]

So we just go with the arterial shock fortified & tyrannical?

[nova flax]

Yes

[strange python]

that's what i've been playing

only up to 16's but i dont see it "coming up short" any time soon, we'll see

[timber meadow]

iono if the utilty build has the dmg in practice that its showing in sims it may just be worth for acro

acro is bigdick

[nova flax]

Im doing weekly 20s and arterial shock is still bissy bis

[hollow vessel]

Hi, should we apply garrote twice and rupture during Shadow Dance/Vanish?

[vivid grail]

Does the DTB become the better m+ build when you have the new 4set or is it still preferred for the arterial build?

[timber meadow]

im just concerned about st on utilty build without tea and vigor

[nova flax]

Maybe once people are pushing 30+ u can switch and play the KB build. But stuff dies too fast right now

[gusty mirage]

hi chungess

hows it going man

[nova flax]

Hello?

Ur an orange name now

[gusty mirage]

[teal geyser]

hey guys, i think i have read somewhere that we have to use ashes of the embersoul at a specific time in kingsbane, u know when?

[gusty mirage]

2-3s in

[teal geyser]

so not with deathmark?

[sick eagle]

What is Timestrike and what does it do exactly? and how much is 315?

[teal geyser]

i mean kingsbane is 14 secons

[slate crown]

You use it with deathmark, with kingsbane

[arctic apex]

Boys. I'm so stupid. I posted the dmg breakdown a little bit ago. My spatter dmg was low. I thought spatter triggered from envenom casts, not just poison dmg. So I was only casting mutilate before an envenom cast. I'm dumb

[slate crown]

Deathmark's Kingsbane (and not the off-non-Deathmark-kingsbane) use ashes with 11 sec remaining on KB, which is 3 seconds in

[weak crescent]

• catalist what should i turn what should i buy ?

[feral mason]

anything but legs ig

[velvet vault]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[weak crescent]

so assa doesnt want tier legs ?

[feral mason]

Not sure what ilvl you have for the tokens/catalyst piece but try to get the highest on chest/helmet/shoulders i guess

[void mesa]

Timestrike is a passive dmg proc on everything.
What is what 315?

[slate crown]

Assa wants tier legs if it means you get 4pc with it 😛

[feral mason]

other 4 are better i guess

lotta vers

[sick eagle]

like as a stat, I cannton find a % for it

[void mesa]

That number is basically irrelevant since thats the only way to get it

Iirc each timestrike weapon is around 1% dmg overall

[pure sail]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[sick eagle]

ok ty