assassination

[balmy condor]

find a trinket other than bomb dispenser

[mighty elm]

https://i.imgur.com/Qw2aggg.png

0 daggers

[vapid skiff]

F

[devout prism]

did you try setting your loot spec to dagger spec

[worn igloo]

oh is THAT what causes my ambush to fake cast sometimes, interesting

[mighty elm]

@devout prism

OFC I DID

[worn igloo]

I'll tell my raid group that dispenser make me upsetti spaghetti and they should let me have other trinkets

[slow mortar]

Wrong reply

[haughty flicker]

if its the 4th gcd its not bomba causing that

its just bars swapping

[balmy condor]

I mean that is whats causing the issue though

bomb dispenser and subterfuge

is the issue

[devout prism]

the bars swapping shouldn't cause you to miss the gcd unless you've got something macro'd oddly

[balmy condor]

there's no other bugs

[slow mortar]

I don't use bomb dispenser and didn't even mention it

[balmy condor]

then working as intended idk

[haughty flicker]

its not a bug or a missing gcd

[eternal heath]

Whispyr, what do you use to display ability casts? The Details streamer one is odd

[haughty flicker]

you have 3 gcds in subterfuge, for some people ambush with stay as the fourth but you cant actually cast it

so you have to spam so mutilate/ss goes off on the 4th

[balmy condor]

it's a weakaura idk what its called

[eternal heath]

Oh gotcha

[balmy condor]

should pop up if you look up like gcd history

or whatever

[eternal heath]

Figure if I end up recording a run, that would be useful

[deft quiver]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

wish it was me

[blazing jewel]

[tropic tundra]

simc doing mutilate instead of ambush inside the dance in the opener: intended or bug?

[thorny onyx]

How much should 2x timestrike daggers do?

[balmy condor]

intended

[thorny onyx]

I have 1x hero 6/6 and one champion 4/8, but dang it does like 1.8% only

[abstract jacinth]

Anyone have issues with cancelling an order for with enchanted dreaming crest and now can't put in the crest anymore? It's defaulting to a shadowflame crest which I don't have

[thorny onyx]

I thought it was going to be a bit more atleast

[balmy condor]

yeh it's around 1% per dagger

sounds reasonable

1.8% is within the range you'd expect

[thorny onyx]

Alrighty!

[tropic tundra]

Can please explain how? I thought there is nothing related to mut in ST compared to ambush, esp in pure ST cause ambush is just more damage with the same energy cost

[balmy condor]

because mutilate hits twice so it has the chance to apply 8 poisons in deathmark versus ambush which can only apply 4, and it was like 0.1% better to mutilate within deathmark and people were breathing down my neck to add it because sim number go up

[loud dome]

!plater

[balmy condor]

you'd have to increase the simulations base accuracy to determine the difference

cause like 30k fights isn't enough data

but it was shown to be slightly better

and so WHISPYR ADD PLS SIM WHY

be like that I guess idk

[blazing jewel]

POG POG POG

[balmy condor]

I don't know anyone who actually ends up mutilating in dance

but there ya go

sim dps is higher

[tropic tundra]

oh interesting, i never thought about the additional attack

[heady drum]

got 2k rating so now i have 3p..........

maybe 4p tomorrow.............

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-better-call-saul-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-fring-gif-26495658

that tech is gustavo cringe

[tropic tundra]

join the 0p team

[balmy condor]

those periods really tell a story

[heady drum]

im not holding my breath

considering there's like 1 token drop per boss now after the changes

[tropic tundra]

but does the change include copied drops

ion is playing poker with our group

[candid goblet]

You guys are bing chilling

wait is there no way to cast Mutilate in Shadow Dance

[left tulip]

S2 4 set better than S3 2 set?......

[tropic tundra]

you can

[candid goblet]

I literally removed ambush from all bars and its still casting that

[tropic tundra]

[oak tangle]

aintnoway, who spreading misinformation

[tropic tundra]

the i-never-got-a-pi people

[oak tangle]

ambush only overwrites mutilate when blindside happens, not stealth

[tropic tundra]

yeah

or did he mean my question about mut in opener

idk

[candid goblet]

ah I might have gotten lucky with blindside then

yes I was testing Mut-only in SD

prompted by your question

[oak tangle]

i saw someone asking about a macro to replace mut in stealth, and it got passed off as pointless, but if you don't use stealth bars you could want it

[vapid skiff]

ye then its a thing

[eternal heath]

It wasn't for mut in stealth, it was mut in blindside

From earlier at least

[candid goblet]

huh, my average KB damage is higher with mut-only in SD

the pool size is 2 attempts

[vapid sierra]

when should i split dance from kb and vanish from dm in m+

how do i know if its generally worth it

[oak tangle]

do not take my words for fact, but i'd say when mobs are all roughly equal health and there is no real good kb target, you could use sd for bleed empowers

[tropic tundra]

i'm just using them mainly to spread dots unless theres a big main target, still in very low keys(~14)

[wild beacon]

When the key starts and it's an upper instead of the lower doti it was listed as

[gilded oasis]

story of my life

[tropic tundra]

[lucid rain]

[tropic tundra]

its ok, just get dagger

fr

[oak tangle]

i don't get how bliz screwed the dungeon list up

all megadungeons before have been fine

[tropic tundra]

anyone experiencing that journal bug? mine just randomly swaps to other dungeon/raid if I click anything there

[wild beacon]

I need 2 of the things I can't afford to be anywhere else

[icy agate]

i dunno i recall something like this before

[gilded oasis]

[tropic tundra]

like when i'm reading amidrassil and click smolderon, it becomes world boss page

[oak tangle]

yeah i have similar

[tropic tundra]

[pure sinew]

does the execute portion of sudden demise actually do a lot of damge?

[tropic tundra]

for me yes

[arctic tusk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tropic tundra]

basically its stealing everyone else's damage vs dying mobs

[candid goblet]

so I'm testing KB against dummies, the damage is altering between 1 mil-2.4 mil (usually very close to 1 mil)

I'm only mutilating now in SD and vanish and it got up to 2 mil minimum

idk if its a coincidence

[tropic tundra]

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor do i sacrifice my mental health for 1200dps to get a pair of legs from either Dawn, BRH, Waycrest or Atal

[tropic tundra]

might try it now

[candid goblet]

try it m8, this is interesting

[balmy condor]

sacrifice this

[humble ginkgo]

show ur gear

[earnest remnant]

wont your gf miss it if i yoink it and sacrifice it to buddha?

[humble ginkgo]

wtf is that 200k sim bro

[gilded oasis]

raccoon do big dammo

[balmy condor]

stealthi's juiced

[gilded oasis]

also, always sacrifice the mental health for gains

only loot ive gotten are pieces that are tier

[shy pecan]

[gilded oasis]

and a dagger that isn't nick of time

[candid goblet]

I just realized I was constantly fucking up my MA window this whole time

its not 3 seconds starting from Vanish cast

its 3s after first ability used post-Vanish

this changes everything

[tropic tundra]

wait what

is it not both?

[gilded oasis]

p sure its while stealthed and 3 sec after breaking

[tropic tundra]

entering gives 3sec

[candid goblet]

yes it is both

[tropic tundra]

yes

[candid goblet]

but the latter part can matter

[gilded oasis]

were you just sitting in stealth chillin

[tropic tundra]

yeah i thought thats why we vanishing at the end of kb

[candid goblet]

say you casted Vanish at 3.8s left right

and because of GCD, your next ambush or gar or whatever got casted at 3.2-3.3

now its fucked

[tropic tundra]

uh

[candid goblet]

wrong numbers, updated it

now the last KB tick wouldn't fit MA

[blazing jewel]

shmeeps didnt drop my knife

buff that guy

[gilded oasis]

just vanish at the right time

[candid goblet]

yes but thats not the only thing that matters

the next ability usage timing matters too

[keen spruce]

he jinxed us both

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

but +1g over this bozo

[lucid rain]

just now

[dark token]

Do u have bomb dispenser

[night summit]

is there a macro to put on all 4 posions at once

[candid goblet]

I wish

[gilded oasis]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/best-macros-addons

theres 2 of em

can uh make 2 different one for all 4 ez

[bronze wagon]

when should we use witherbark branch in the opener?

[tropic tundra]

mut inside dance actally working for me too

[balmy condor]

"working"

[slim hamlet]

i can feel my .1%

[tropic tundra]

or just me getting better in other stuff

idk i'm still so bad at ST

[balmy condor]

if a sim needs more than 35,000 fights

to determine which is better

the entire collective assassination community

will not be able to tell

[candid goblet]

idk for me it feels way more than that

but maybe thats because I fixed other things too

[tropic tundra]

maybe that bit bigger kb i just had was a very low chance

[balmy condor]

I mean yes

it's bigger kb

but you're losing damage

it's not a bigger KB for nothing

[earnest remnant]

trade offs

[balmy condor]

if it were a bigger KB for nothing then we wouldn't be having this debate

[bleak eagle]

just confirming ashes trinket near end of kb right?

[tropic tundra]

uh then why is sim opener doing that

[haughty flicker]

yeah but bigger number on my kb tracker

so worth

[balmy condor]

3 seconds in

[balmy condor]

because overall it's (I rechecked), 75 dps better

[haughty flicker]

huuuge

[tropic tundra]

so no prob going back to ambush

[balmy condor]

and you get that because your kb might be like 500 dps higher

[deft vault]

how much of a dps loss is it to pop it with kb

[balmy condor]

but you lose 425 dps from other things

[balmy condor]

idk I'll get back to you on that

[deft vault]

ç=p0^è-

à9ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[haughty flicker]

true friend

true

[deft vault]

oh lol my dog jumped on my desk while i went to the bathroom

[candid goblet]

One other problem though if you mutilate in stealth, the 2x Mut at the very start (the one before Envenom) can land you at 4 CP

and if you start KB with 4 cp env, It seems to lose uptime

[spark scaffold]

is this the same if you include PI in the sim

[junior aurora]

what if i use a different enchant on my weapon

[balmy condor]

uh, well I would assume it's probably worse with PI

[spark scaffold]

how come?

[eternal heath]

[balmy condor]

well the whole concept is that mutilate applies more poisons than ambush, so kingsbane stacks faster, right

[bleak eagle]

should i always stay above 50% engergy for sanguine blades?

[haughty flicker]

the value of 8 poisons over 4 is lower when you're already stacking faster with pi

[balmy condor]

if you have PI, it doesn't change the mut vs ambush math

but you are autoing faster

which is applying more poisons

meaning you'll hit the cap faster

meaning the difference from mut to ambush is less important

[spark scaffold]

i might be stupid, but what cap are you talking about?

are kingsbane stacks capped?

[balmy condor]

yes

caps at 99

or +1980%

[royal lantern]

huh

actually didnt knew that

[spark scaffold]

its kinda not written anywhere ingame

[balmy condor]

yeah it's just spell data

wouldn't matter to anyone on the planet at any point in time

[spark scaffold]

that's good to know, and yeah it does make sense it would be worse with PI

[balmy condor]

except now that our tier gives attack speed

and we get PI

it's actually pretty reasonable that we cap out in lust

[royal lantern]

attackspeed like a jojo stand at this point

[spark scaffold]

mydas go brr

[abstract jacinth]

anyone have 20+ logs of a key i can use as a comparison, im having trouble in m+

[balmy condor]

in this sample it got close

sim it again

[spark scaffold]

[balmy condor]

there we go

that's a big cap

4 seconds worth of max stacks

[spark scaffold]

why did my sim just double garrote

[stable atlas]

trouble with what

[balmy condor]

it felt like it

[spark scaffold]

[abstract jacinth]

doing damage

[balmy condor]

idk

probably some whack thing

I'm checking a bunch of stuff tonight

I'll add it to my list

[slim hamlet]

So Whispyr it's 5AM for me and I think I have a cook

[balmy condor]

• fix that one gcd out of the 250 the sim casts

[earnest remnant]

Check this

[slim hamlet]

Do you have the energy to look at my cook

[stable atlas]

sin seems to have so many nuances I miss being able to shuriken storm bp

[balmy condor]

if it's a thought out cook I always have energy

if it's braindead I'm banning you

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[earnest remnant]

[slim hamlet]

I think it's thought out depending on 1 thing, when you envenom,kb,shiv or whatever right

[balmy condor]

uh huh

[slim hamlet]

does the first second of the gcd it takes of using that ability tick down the buff/debuff

it does right?

[balmy condor]

what

[slim hamlet]

ehm

Like I use a 4cp envenom, does it last for 3 more gcds or 4

could also open wow and check quick

[balmy condor]

at time of cast you would get the buff for the duration listed, so if you cast a 4cp envenom at lets say 0:00.130

the buff would expire at 0:04.130

[slim hamlet]

yea ok

[spark scaffold]

do the kingsbane stacks show up in logs anywhere?

[balmy condor]

no

[eternal heath]

we poggin

[haughty flicker]

[spark scaffold]

fokman

[haughty flicker]

the cook is still on track

[slim hamlet]

So I think my cook is real

If we end up envenoming at 4cp on the opener, we would have 1 second without envenom in KB right?

[balmy condor]

correct

[candid goblet]

it shows in the WA I linked earlier, in % form though

@spark scaffold

[spark scaffold]

thank you sir

[thorny pond]

What’s wrong mate?

[stable atlas]

man I swear every time I get an item and droptimize myself another ring/neck/gem combination sims higher

[eternal heath]

That one replaces a 437 ring so I am not complaining lol

[thorny pond]

Welcome to week 1

[slim hamlet]

Can you do this order instead (all the ambushes and envenoms are just whatever, what matters is the shivs and envenoms): DM-shiv-envenom-kb-ambush-garrote-envenom-bush-bush-shiv-envenom-bush-bush-envenom-bush-bush-envenom

[stable atlas]

sin stats are all so close

[haughty flicker]

[slim hamlet]

I was trying to figure out if u lost KB tick with shiv in that exact second it was off, but my head is not heading so I need to ask instead

[manic haven]

This man is cooking

[slim hamlet]

Should mean u never lose envenom uptime if not

[balmy condor]

why not just 5cp envenom before dm?

[slim hamlet]

I guess but what if u land on 4cp

then just another gcd I guess

[balmy condor]

you would generate

[thorny pond]

Unless you’re prorating your opener, why does it matter? Just send at 6

[spark scaffold]

you would probably not cover one tick of KB with shiv in your opener

[slim hamlet]

Yea alright, was just thinking if this actually fit it would save u that gcd and you would even have shiv for that envenom

[balmy condor]

it would also move kb 1 second out of deathmark

[slim hamlet]

That was what I couldn't figure out myself

[balmy condor]

which like

might not matter

until you low roll and then need the extra second of poisons

[remote glen]

am i missign something with caustic splatter in dungeons? it feels like it does nothing

[slim hamlet]

Oh shit I was thinking about that before doing the whole thing, but then forgot to actually look at that

[balmy condor]

which the sims will DEFINITELY not like

[balmy condor]

are you layering it with kingsbane?

kingsbane is the juice for caustic

[remote glen]

oh does it spread kingsbane

shiiit

[slim hamlet]

Well alright that was my 5AM cook

[remote glen]

ty

[slim hamlet]

gn gamers

[haughty flicker]

good morning

[balmy condor]

everything nature damage actually including poison bomb and envenom and tier bonus

[remote glen]

oh ic nice

[balmy condor]

it was well thought out though almost got me

I had to think about it for a second

[slim hamlet]

Sick

First time

[thorny pond]

AOT is always good to let turn the burners on

[slim hamlet]

But yea I forgor to look at DM timing

[balmy condor]

attack on titan

[thorny pond]

We can burn something and watch aot

I’ll order Chinese

[balmy condor]

I took a hit of my guildmates weed pen at blizzcon, first time doing a weed

didn't feel shit

then sat down on a couch and passed out for 3 hours

[frozen iris]

Dumb question how would i use the cruel dreamcarver with a garrote macro? its in my offhand so should be /use item 17 correct?

[balmy condor]

wouldn't suggest it

[glossy imp]

[candid goblet]

wait why do we cast Shadow Dance before Kingsbane again? If SD expires first at 6s mark, then the KB tick that happens right after that won't benefit from MA

[thorny pond]

You can just not use it

[candid goblet]

or am I missing something

[balmy condor]

cause nightstalker good

[thorny pond]

KB snapshots NS

[candid goblet]

oh shit

I forgot about that one

or more like didn't even know

[thorny pond]

This is why we always eat fam

[balmy condor]

a whole new world

[frozen iris]

Whys that? its on gcd?

[balmy condor]

no it just doesn't make sense to do that and override the buff you grabbed before raid or whatever

[frozen iris]

looks like i dont know how this item workls

[balmy condor]

you use it on something

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[balmy condor]

and depending what you use it on

you get the above buff

[spark scaffold]

would it not be better to vanish KB instead of dance, and dance at the end of deathmark / KB? or would this suck because it would keep delaying your CDs by 10 seconds every deathmark

[balmy condor]

typically dragonkin

[spark scaffold]

tbh on a fight like smolderon those 10 seconds would not really matter

[balmy condor]

it's basically equal but you then would want to delay kb to dance->kb on the non-dm ones

[north pond]

at what point do i replace old 4 piece set? like should i hold for a while im just curious how many upgrades until taking off 4 piece

[balmy condor]

so it also fucks over dance+kb macros

and you'd have to do different rotation every minute/2 min

[spark scaffold]

yea, that's what i mean by delaying your CDs

[balmy condor]

for no tangible gain

which just

more complicated for no gain

sounds like a bad trade

[outer cairn]

nah I replaced that as well with branch and hourglass

[spark scaffold]

is it no gain though?

[balmy condor]

it is no gain though

[timber meadow]

i wonder if outlaw will feel better with tier... ive always been a law guy in the past but really hard to compete with how good assa feels right now

[north pond]

@balmy condor ty king ❤️

[eternal heath]

Wondering if I should do the dreamsurge/time rift to get 450 S2 tier lol

[balmy condor]

if you don't have any tier

then you definitely should

having tier > not having tier

[eternal heath]

Yeah true

I just have a pair of tier shoulders from raid

[candid goblet]

that information changes if you are in possession of a Omni Token btw

then you should hold off until you actually have 4 set

[balmy condor]

what

[eternal heath]

I will have ksm next week, so I think I should be able to get 4p

[balmy condor]

how does having an omni token change the logic

[eternal heath]

But it is only friday, so probably worth doing the S2 stuff

I just gotta find where to do it. Never done that stuff

[candid goblet]

actually no, It only changes if you would get 2-set with Omni Token

[eternal heath]

Mostly time rifts, vaguely familiar with dreamsurge

[candid goblet]

if you already have 2-set without omni, should be fine

[balmy condor]

@deft vault

[blazing jewel]

my guildies are terrorists

what is wrong with that picture

[balmy condor]

did they pi the incorp

[blazing jewel]

yes

[balmy condor]

nice

[stable atlas]

based

[devout prism]

does that even allow it to do anything extra under mind control lol

[fervent jasper]

Anyone else here getting wrecked on the meters because the DH kills everything before your DoTs can tick and you get set up?

[oak tangle]

my best friend is a dh

[fervent jasper]

I was just in EB +17 and we pulled 3 packs of flowers and teh DH does like 700k dps in 5 seconds and theyre almost all dead

[oak tangle]

but he's a good m+er so he knows why im doing shit dps

but still flames me

[candid goblet]

no matter how good the DH is

that just means you are doing low keys tho

[oak tangle]

yea

[fervent jasper]

I'm doing 17s and 18s

now THAT low

[oak tangle]

when we do 16+ im equal

[stable atlas]

play shock build in lower keys

[fervent jasper]

What is the shock build

[candid goblet]

bro thinks he is in Shaman discord

[devout prism]

AP build

[fervent jasper]

ohhh ok

[devout prism]

the extra execute helps close the gap a bit

[oak tangle]

it jsut pulls the power away from cleaving off a single target

[timber meadow]

you find it falls off? idk if ive felt that

[stable atlas]

tbh im not really interpreting much into dmg until people have full gear/keys go higher

impossible to draw conclusions

[junior aurora]

shock build doesnt fall off

its even very similar on st

quite literally play either

[torn peak]

is this proper damage profile for single target, dont look at the numbers i was wondering if the damage difference between my skills should be like that. Cause i realized i was missing vanish during last 3 seconds of kingsbane

[oak tangle]

is the sim's breakdown

[balmy condor]

that's not the sims breakdown

that's the damage per cast of each ability

[oak tangle]

i just read

[fervent jasper]

On ST my rotation (assuming everything is off CD) is Garrote>SnD>Garrote>Mut to 5 or 6C CP>Rupture>Deathmark>Kingsbane>Shiv>Mut to 5 or 6 CP>Envenom

[oak tangle]

yeah

[fervent jasper]

But I feel like I'm wrong

and i KNOW you guys will tell me if I am

[devout prism]

where's your SnD

[balmy condor]

why are you spamming bleeds like that

[fervent jasper]

Well I want to get the full duration empowered garrote and by putting a rupture in between I get an extra tick of it

[lucid rain]

tank refuses to move the last boss of dht

actual pain

[abstract jacinth]

my group came online so started running keys, 450 ilvl and barely managing green parses, just know im doing something giga-wrong and having trouble figuring it out in 20's

[torn peak]

ive been told first 3 gcd should be garrote ambush rupture

[balmy condor]

you realize we get a fully empowered garrote from the dance right after, right?

[torn peak]

whispyr whens raid pov man

my smaill brain cant understand

[balmy condor]

monday

[torn peak]

jpc and exile doing top dps on raids while im clearing floors

[fervent jasper]

I forget about dance. I just use it to reapply garrotes

[torn peak]

ofc theyre inhuman thats not good comparison

[balmy condor]

aight gotta read a guide man

[torn peak]

but i feel like i should be at least first 6-7

[balmy condor]

it's getting worse

[fervent jasper]

Obviously I don't realize that or else I'd probably be doing it "correctly". I'm here for advice

[balmy condor]

just using dance to reapply garrotes

[devout prism]

you can watch steathi's stream VODs I think if you want to see assassination in 21s+

[oak tangle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[balmy condor]

is simply a basic lack of understanding about what your abilities do

so the advice is read a guide

[devout prism]

you can check out some YT videos breaking down the correct openers, such as Whispyr's

[torn peak]

i need huge wall of text explaining how to utilize kingsbane and keep up damage on st

[oak tangle]

you should make one of the server requirements to be able to talk in the channel, be that they can answer a secret question where the answer is posted at the end of the wowhead guide

[devout prism]

or you can do something like open some top parses on WCL and look at the event timeline to see the order of what they're doing

example:
https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/gnarlroot

[fervent jasper]

@balmy condor What if SD on on CD? then would you double garrote in the subterfuge window?

[oak tangle]

why would you be in a subterfuge window with sd on cd on single target?

[fervent jasper]

Because the boss was pulled <3s ago

[balmy condor]

you do not want to double garrote in single target

it's not worth the gcd

[oak tangle]

why would dance be on cd there though. and why wouldn't you follow the opener?

[fervent jasper]

Because I danced during the previous trash pack and 1 minute has not yet ellapsed

[oak tangle]

oh you mean in a key, i thought you mean raid talking about ST

[fervent jasper]

No, M+

[thorny pond]

dont look at parses first of all

[haughty flicker]

key parses op

[steel spire]

[oak tangle]

the holy trinity

[steel spire]

[gilded oasis]

but the faq is just the guides so should I read the guides twice?

[oak tangle]

yes

[gilded oasis]

too bad I don't know how to read

[half marten]

@balmy condor I just read your wowhead guide, is there any possible scenario I would use dance and kingsbane not together and is it possible to just macro them together?

[balmy condor]

macro them

[half marten]

cool thanks

[balmy condor]

just /cast shadow dance
/cast kingsbane

in that order

[fervent jasper]

it's safe to macro dance and KB?

[balmy condor]

yes

[fervent jasper]

After the opener do we just use each CD on CD?

[oak tangle]

define what you mean by CD

[balmy condor]

they line up

both 1 min cds

[fervent jasper]

Do you hold DM for vanish?

[oak tangle]

you shouldn't need to hold, and it's vanish after dm

[tulip tendon]

I’m assuming next week it’s fine to max a nick of time to 483 with crests?

[fervent jasper]

which means DM will come back first

[oak tangle]

nope

i mean it will come back first, but the sequence and timings are identical so no need to hold

[fleet pagoda]

my guild finally rolls into the raid and somebody hero's at the start of the intermission. 8s on heroism left going into the damage amp

sad kingsbane noises

[oak tangle]

the only holding i would do is maybe 1 to 2 seconds, if you suck at hitting gcd's on the dot so that you don't mess up your window and not have a cd ready that's still ticking

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim pebble]

I did my own everbloom key.. Branch dropped and it wasn't to me

Thanks I hate it

[gilded oasis]

[keen spruce]

got any room in that bloom?

[strange python]

guys why outlaw sim so high but every1 is playing assa ?

[oak tangle]

my dh friend dropped a second trinket, and in the actions of trading it to me, he equipped it on accident

[keen spruce]

[slim pebble]

I would uninstall

[real flint]

!Branch

[keen spruce]

assas more fun

[real flint]

[balmy condor]

burst is good

[gusty mirage]

@haughty flicker I saw you in valdrakken and wanted to /kiss but you disappeared

[haughty flicker]

wait

im coming back

i must meet oxi

[dusk palm]

Can someone check my written opener? I'm not sure if the last cast should be envenom or empowered rupture. I also am not positive if i got everything correct

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

@gusty mirage rip i missed my chance

[oak tangle]

i bet that first mutilate hit 4 cp

[gusty mirage]

im logging back in right meow

just to /kiss you

[balmy condor]

why are we writing out the opener

[gusty mirage]

my brain is melted

[gaunt moat]

Thank you, fixed it.
https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[balmy condor]

when wowhead has the opener also written out

[real flint]

Do you guys would macro branch to DM ? I'm quite lazy and used to macro'ing on use trinket with it Zzz

[oak tangle]

yes

[devout prism]

yes no reason not to, they line up

[real flint]

So you just pick up 2 orbs then the last 5sec later right ?

[devout prism]

yeah if you can see them

[real flint]

Yeah right, not sure to see them on Tindral

[devout prism]

if shit is popping off though it's not toooooo much different to just let it happen

[dusk palm]

unless it's written in a different spot, wowhead's opener stops like halfway into kingsbane. I get that you've written out priorities but i'm trying to make it as close to global by global as I can until I have more muscle memory

[sturdy niche]

caustic spatter feels so freaking good lol

[final laurel]

is it normal that my caustic spatter is like the 7th most damaging ability in packs

[gilded oasis]

should probably be higher

[vast loom]

random combo point generation makes that almost impossible to do

[balmy condor]

I see. Yeah it stops there because it's not possible due to seal fate

[vast loom]

thats why it becomes a priority at that point

[balmy condor]

or else I would've written it out

[final laurel]

im doing leveling dungeons rn maybe thats why?

[vast loom]

leveling is probably why

[oak tangle]

this will not work. you have to learn the cp finisher rules

[short zinc]

is it just me or is stealth breaking randomly specced into carnage?

[final laurel]

kk ty

[gusty mirage]

do you have the sark cloak

[short zinc]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

its the cloak

[short zinc]

boo

[haughty flicker]

sark cloak is cancer

cant wait to replace it

[gilded oasis]

boo

[short zinc]

haha

[gusty mirage]

subterfuge + sark cloak = knocked out of stealth whenever a party member comes in range

[gilded oasis]

boo

[short zinc]

ahhh

[sudden brook]

Dropping sark cloak is the biggest dps upgrade

💯

[devout prism]

subterfuge has always had weird stealth bugs, like outlaw grappling hook used to break it which was pretty hilarious considering you used it to get closer to shit a lot

[gusty mirage]

yeah I took the sim dps loss to never have to deal with it again

[oak tangle]

there was this random toy people put down, that had a couple of banshees that kept ripping me out of stealth, why can i be trolled by a toy

[sudden brook]

• stamina

[gusty mirage]

truuuuuuuu

cause everything fucking hurts

[sudden brook]

Anything aoe I eat

Everything ST I fucking perish

[short zinc]

might have to replace haha

[frozen iris]

Anybody else having issues with raidbot saying a ring has a socket?

but doesnt

[real flint]

I've deleted M Sark cloak for the first cloak loot, fuck this shit

[timber meadow]

for smolderon do yall wait to pop cd's before you find out whether your soaking first? popping cds and then having to go out feels kinda bad lol

[haughty flicker]

how far out are they making you go

i just kept hitting boss

[gilded oasis]

@gaunt moat its spamming me "test" lol

[timber meadow]

oh okay if thats not troll then ill just do that

[gaunt moat]

yeah sorry, i already fixed that but you were too fast

I just woke up is my excuse

[gilded oasis]

it's ok I forgive

[gaunt moat]

As apparent by stacks stopped working, i have a bad habit of wanting to put things out without testing them enough 🥴

[final laurel]

i just unlocked deathmark

this ability is op?

[balmy condor]

its our main cooldown

[final laurel]

do you ever use it on trash

[balmy condor]

uh

sure I guess

[timber meadow]

lul

[balmy condor]

idk what trash means in this case

but you should be using it pretty much on cooldown

[outer cairn]

I'm trash?

[gilded oasis]

wish someone would deathmark me

[celest helm]

hey guys sure this has been answered 1milly times but since witherbark is 2min do we just macro it to DM?

[balmy condor]

yes

[final laurel]

like ads

in dungeons

[celest helm]

ty

[outer cairn]

1million and one

[final laurel]

trash packs

[celest helm]

yeah you use it on CD

in low level content you prob wont get great value out of it yet

[fervent jasper]

In AoE, what is the priority between cautstic spatter damage and refreshing bleeds on off targets?

[balmy condor]

and for future reference I also wrote out really long things about how to use the trinkets

[timber meadow]

better to just ignore that and ask in ehre tho

[outer cairn]

You assume we read

[balmy condor]

I really am trying to answer all the questions in the guide

It's a long guide

but like

it be like that

[outer cairn]

we appreciate your servitude

[craggy basin]

We appreciate it all

[timber meadow]

what dung was that screenshot you posted the othe rday with the spriest from whysper.

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor do you like my guide?

[junior aurora]

got the first nick of time after a miserable experience

[devout prism]

just need a chatgpt bot trained on the guides and FAQs

[junior aurora]

then realized i still need a second one, man fuck that dungeon

maybe its a vault angle

[gilded oasis]

its confusing

[outer cairn]

i've got a 19 in the vault. pray

[devout prism]

always was

[gusty mirage]

[outer cairn]

imagine being able to time 20s of fall

[gusty mirage]

guess how many daggers dropped

in all of those runs

[balmy condor]

good flashbang

[dusk palm]

i have a 20 throne atm. kinda scary. not gonna time it though. saving it for 4 guildies so they all get a 20 vault

[outer cairn]

0

[gusty mirage]

1, on that 1 chested 17

[outer cairn]

nice

[outer cairn]

better than my 16

[oak tangle]

that one's ugly

[outer cairn]

i need better pugs so i can round out my board with 18/19s

[devout prism]

man where where you on Lady Invera prog

[timber meadow]

oh interetsing i saw top log on smolderon delayed dm till first burn... is this like only good with 5:30ish kill time?

[remote glen]

does assa benefit alot from pi?

[devout prism]

needed this MS paint pic to teach people what a triangle is

[haughty flicker]

you could say so

[outer cairn]

would like to get over 1800 or maybe 1900 tomorrow

[river cipher]

Go for 2k. Dew it

[dusk palm]

i'll be 1800 which is enough to get 2k for tier super easy on tues

[gusty mirage]

why would you wish this on anyone pugging this season

[outer cairn]

dude

yeah

[river cipher]

Wasnt hard

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-smash-wood-playing-gif-17749007

[gusty mirage]

hd version of my pfp

[outer cairn]

i mean if you get good pugs

[river cipher]

Like if youre already aiming for 1900 you might as well

[dusk palm]

diff between 1900 and 2k week one kinda big

[outer cairn]

i'd love to. but my arbitrary pinkish color isn't pink enough

to get inv

[river cipher]

Just need half your keys to be timed 20s no biggie

[slim pebble]

Sudden demise hits like crack

[outer cairn]

1777 = no invites to 20s because I'm trash

lol

[gilded oasis]

im 1982, so close

[outer cairn]

also

great year

[balmy condor]

oh to be a monkey smashing a branch against a rock

[gilded oasis]

if only branch would drop

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-conduciendo-gif-24377638

[junior aurora]

i did a 19

[outer cairn]

gangster

[junior aurora]

we wiped twice on last boss

[timber meadow]

er ig if you're going to kill smolderon on the odd minutes + change then you hold dm on pull otherwise send?

[junior aurora]

healer was not ready for the burn phase

we did not expect that much damage to go out so fast lmao

[river cipher]

Ngl I did get lucky with pugs tho. Ran my own key and didn't get shit keys after

Group stayed together

[outer cairn]

yeah

[bitter birch]

since witherbark branch is 10 sec, you pop @ 10 sec left on kingsbane?

[outer cairn]

thats a good thing for sure

[bitter birch]

or when do you press the trinket in a burst windo

[outer cairn]

find that group of smart ppl

[bitter birch]

ah ty

[outer cairn]

god i love you

[bitter birch]

thank you whispyr

[outer cairn]

lol

[river cipher]

Woulda kept going but it was nearly 6am

[next token]

Hey guys, relatively new sin rogue, im wondering if someone could give me some advice. How do we best maximize kingsbane? I just did a m+ with another sin rogue who was exactly the same ilevel as me and his kingsbane damage was like twice mine. I'm doing my best to have shiv up through as much of it as possible but is there more to it than that? Should i be pumping envenoms during the duration? Ive been using that shadowdance window to also reapply garrote and rupture as well, should i save those globals for mut/envenom?

[bitter birch]

lmfao

[outer cairn]

just pin it

[balmy condor]

hold both shivs, repeat opener sequence

maintain envenom

[outer cairn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[bitter birch]

perfect thank you

[junior olive]

damn so many builds..Arterial M+ build the one to go? i been using Hybrid

[outer cairn]

oh boi

[balmy condor]

they're very similar

[outer cairn]

gonna rile up soviet

[strange python]

What's the best non aug damage y'all doing overall? I just saw a 240k everbloom 😮

[devout prism]

https://mplus.subcreation.net/assassination-rogue.html
this might help

but basically... they both work lol

[dusk palm]

do we never empowered rupture btw?

after the opener

[upper spear]

i like the AOE shiv build in M+, packs melt

[outer cairn]

i'm still working on being optimal, getting timings down etc. so if you're newish and still learning the dungeons, you'll get there once you know what the pulls are like

[next token]

maybe this is telling on myself but i have read whispyr's guide on wowhead and the IV guide. thanks @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

np

[next token]

just felt like i was missing something

[balmy condor]

telling on yourself in a positive way

reading is good

[outer cairn]

i've watched his videos

[eternal heath]

I need to use shiv more in keys

[balmy condor]

most don't get that far

[outer cairn]

#1 fan

[eternal heath]

I tend to only use it for kb

[upper spear]

if you run Arterial, youll be staring at it waiting to come off CD in M+

[dusk palm]

whispyr your sequence in your opener doesn't use empowered rupture a second time. does this mean that you wouldn't use it on any kingsbane minute cycle?

[eternal heath]

Yeah I am atm

[bronze marsh]

if mobs aren't gonna live long enough for a full kb but you'll have 2 shivs for the next time you need it sending one is alright

[celest helm]

life is good

[bronze marsh]

I haven't looked into it at all but is it correct to assume Arterial interacts with Sudden Demise?

[eternal heath]

god damn

[balmy condor]

scroll down there's a section talking about it

[outer cairn]

hax

[balmy condor]

yes

[bronze marsh]

boner

[outer cairn]

so third shiv near end of pack health to maybe help proc it?

[bronze marsh]

played all three specs while farming branch and sin by far has felt the most fun

[dusk palm]

ok so its just the damage is neglibible and its for simplicity. understood

[outer cairn]

because

you don't just hit one button and face roll

[eternal heath]

sin def feels fun I just gotta stop sandbagging

[balmy condor]

[eternal heath]

I did a bit better earlier

[outer cairn]

practice

[eternal heath]

Oh I know, just sucks going through the process lol

I had the same on my boomkin

[outer cairn]

also higher keys when mobs actually don't just fall over

lets you ramp

[eternal heath]

This was an 18BRH where I could at least do some damage

[upper spear]

its Fort week, just blow ur CDs whenever they're up (within reason) until you learn ur timings

[eternal heath]

Bats are just weird tho

[past forum]

My favorite part of the sin rework is that a lot of my pugs were completely oblivious to it and when they see my overall they

[eternal heath]

Also havent done any real high keys either

[junior aurora]

no tott

based

[keen spruce]

it just gets better

the higher the keys get

[eternal heath]

Lol just havent gotten around to it

[keen spruce]

[junior aurora]

there is a miserable spot in the middle though

[eternal heath]

Done a good few +10-12 Falls

[outer cairn]

yeah. my team was like oh the aug helped you. then i did another key without an aug and had just as high overall

[junior aurora]

where things live just longer than the kingsbane window

[outer cairn]

so

[oak tangle]

always kb critters

[junior aurora]

but not long enough to resend cds

[eternal heath]

I feel like I am in the weird spot before that

Where, aside from big mobs, I feel like I can never toss kb

[junior aurora]

just send it anyway

[eternal heath]

And almost no boss lives for a second kb so my ST feels like ass

[outer cairn]

full send

[junior aurora]

keep it on cd through the dungeon

[past forum]

I used the raid dagger on a critter the other night and now my guildies think im a serial killer

[eternal heath]

Bosses are like 1m45s so just in time for me to be low on energy and just not doing much

[outer cairn]

so run higher keys

[eternal heath]

I think because I have been seeing low damage in lower keys, that I have been hesitant to go to higher keys

[balmy condor]

why we run keys but mount during them, why do noses run but feet smell, how can a shrimp fry rice

[oak tangle]

damage doesn't even matter (to an extent) just do mechanics right

[outer cairn]

I worry about your sleep patterns

[eternal heath]

Yeah I gotta take a look at Sha's 1 min boss vids

Because I am unfamiliar with most of these dungeons

[outer cairn]

can't dps if you're dead

[gilded oasis]

can't dead if you're dps

[shell lodge]

is it worth sending rupture even if u got like 15 seconds left on it if ur in vanish ?

[balmy condor]

how can you worry about something that doesn't exist? checkmate

[junior aurora]

you're telling me a shrimp fried this rice?

[outer cairn]

king me

[simple ore]

let the shrimp cook man

[outer cairn]

I can do him one better

[balmy condor]

just envenom

you tell me a whore made this chata?

[shell lodge]

so basically only refresh rupture if it's like sub 10 sec?

[outer cairn]

If guns don't kill people, people kill people. Then toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?

[balmy condor]

just envenom

[devout prism]

don't be afraid of higher keys, lower keys actually have another affix that the game doesn't tell you called "bad pugs" and if you do higher stuff this affix tends to solve itself, so everything goes smoother and you get to focus more on doing well

[junior aurora]

sometimes you proc the worst experience in a higher key though

[gilded oasis]

but high keys spook

[junior aurora]

and that is a bad pug in a high key

then its miserable

[oak tangle]

"Humans as a species have evolved to recognise patterns to interpret danger or opportunities. It is because of this that Whispyr is such an enigma as his sleeping schedule has no discernable pattern."

[outer cairn]

pandemic is like 6 seconds

[oak tangle]

Convince me otherwise, "Kick" is the highest damage cooldown

[outer cairn]

See Cheat Death

[simple ore]

high keys = high mob health = lots of bleed damage = fun, where is the spook

you got this

[outer cairn]

Remind us your IO?

1978

[balmy condor]

yeah zar

link io

[gilded oasis]

I've had years of bad pug exp, I just don't like to pug a lot makes me nervous

my IO stink

[balmy condor]

opinion discarded

[fervent jasper]

One thing I'm confused about is what is the priority between Caustic Spatter damage and mainating bleeds on off targets in AOE?

[balmy condor]

gg noob

[outer cairn]

oh dude

yeah

i've pugged

since season 1 of SL

its rouhg

rough

[gilded oasis]

Bleeds give more energy to keep you going

[balmy condor]

as long as you have the energy regen, caustic is next

you want to be able to cast constantly

[simple ore]

I only pug when running my own keys at the start of season, because you get the gigachads who need your keys

ez 20s

[outer cairn]

I need me some gigachads

I'll be barbie

fuck it

[gilded oasis]

I think craigslist has those

[fervent jasper]

So bleeds are for energy, not damage?

[outer cairn]

both

[gilded oasis]

why not both

[oak tangle]

pugging keys is painge because there is so few oce ones going

[balmy condor]

I mean in your situation they are

[outer cairn]

actually

its three

[balmy condor]

but bleeds are big damage

[outer cairn]

damage, energy, and fantasy

if you go cow rogue you can live in the 4th dimension

[oak tangle]

and im doomed to have azralon players invited into groups i get into

[fervent jasper]

Say a pack of 6 is pulled. I bleed everything and get a Caustic target. As long as I don't feel energy starved, I sould just keep tunneling the Caustic target even if the bleeds fall off?

[upper spear]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-do-you-bleed-dc-gif-5589524

[balmy condor]

you'd want to refresh the bleeds to avoid the energy starve, but yes

like if the pack is dying in 30 seconds, your ruptures will carry that full duration to the end

so you just get the bleeds up

then funnel the caustic

and by the time you think about refreshing, the mobs are dead

[simple ore]

spin those plates

[lucid rain]

just got shown a really clean way to pull the portal room in galakrond

[fervent jasper]

But as a rule, unless I feel energy starved, don't worry about off target bleeds?

[outer cairn]

refreshing bleeds in the chaos of your tank chain pulling shit all over the place. its really fun

[icy acorn]

[balmy condor]

correct

[lucid rain]

if you wanna play it safe, you can pull each portal pack back to the stairs, and you pull the roaming dog solo as well as the big guy solo, also to the stairs

legit the most stress-free clear of that room I've seen so far

[outer cairn]

that room is toxic

[lucid rain]

sure is

this was +19, for reference

[simple ore]

worse in rise

[outer cairn]

biggest aoe circle ever and almost no where to go

[simple ore]

that room makes rise the worst dungeon for me, I hate that part

[outer cairn]

especially

right when you cast kb

such an amazing feeling

[upper spear]

Just did heroic Gnarlroot. i ran the Arterial M+ build due to the adds, other rogue ran DTB w/ CT.

Our damage was really similar but his KB was insanely higher than mine. Im guessing this is probably mostly due to DTB?

[lucid rain]

sprint and cloak

and pray healer doesn't suck

[eternal heath]

What is the macro command for using trinkets again?

[outer cairn]

/use name of trinket

[eternal heath]

Oh easy enough

I thought there was a slot number to use

[icy acorn]

or /use 13 /use 14

[simple ore]

or /use 13 or 14

[outer cairn]

14 and 13

[eternal heath]

That is what I was thinking of

[balmy condor]

correct, also don't agree with the CT take in general

but yeh

[simple ore]

using that is easier since you don't have to keep replacing it

[balmy condor]

dtb will juice the kb

[keen spruce]

CT on gnarle?

those adds die in like 2 seconds

[shut owl]

caustic is all you need

[lucid rain]

is single target CT worth on iridikron when you're in the burn phase?

[junior aurora]

maybe they were the only 2 dps hitting adds shmeeps

[junior aurora]

no

[lucid rain]

even with all that excess energy huh?

[simple ore]

well you'd be wasting combo points on it instead of anything else

[junior aurora]

what does the excess energy mean for using CT

its just a gcd thing

[shut owl]

its not the energy its the CP

[icy acorn]

seeing the rings in black rook hold drop every single time but not for you is saddening

[simple ore]

lots of energy doesn't suddenly make CT better single target damage

[outer cairn]

oh yeah

seeing both rings drop

and not getting either

sadge

[lucid rain]

a 6 point envenom does 35k for me, a 6 point ct does 139k

[frigid dirge]

is the old 2 set worth having if you have higher item level gear

[shut owl]

if your iridikron lives to the end of that CT you've died tho

[outer cairn]

over 16 seconds

[oak tangle]

but how many 6 point envenoms can you do before ct expires

[simple ore]

the burn phase doesn't last all of that time

[fervent jasper]

@balmy condor I noticed you have Ambush on your stealth bar in the same place as mut on your non stealth bar. I thought about doing this but thought it might get confusing in AoE when I may have to mut during dance to refresh caustic. Thoughts?

[steel spire]

After we open on trash and apply gar rupture we just caustic kb before fok ct?

[shut owl]

ambush refreshes

[outer cairn]

ambush refreshes

jinx

[oak tangle]

also 35k seems omega sussy low

[balmy condor]

ambush refreshes

I just want to be included

[outer cairn]

double jinkx?

[fervent jasper]

Oh

ok

Awesome

[shut owl]

that CT vs envenom number seems... wrong

[simple ore]

it's not in CS's tooltip but it works just fine

[balmy condor]

I don't believe these numbers

[shut owl]

cuz 0% bonus damage CT is not a lot of damage lol

[outer cairn]

he's look at the tooltip number

[lucid rain]

^

[eternal heath]

kek double u

[lucid rain]

I guess I'm not factoring multipliers

mb

[outer cairn]

just envenom

Whispyr has spoken

[shut owl]

what multipliers? its single target that he's talking about

[balmy condor]

the sim clamps down on crimson tempest single target in 2 places even

[simple ore]

just logically speaking, regardless of your energy, if CT was actually worth more than 1 envenom on ST you'd be pressing CT on single target regardless of energy

[balmy condor]

cause it checks to make sure you're not in single target

and then also on top of that checks to make sure you have enough energy regen

which you simply can't reach in single target

so it's double making sure you're not using it in single target

it's real bad

[lucid rain]

the only reason I ask is because you're capped on energy in the burn phase

[arctic tusk]

do you ruptuer after 2 garrotes and then garrote again after

or just send 3 garrotes straight

[lucid rain]

it's a situation that never comes up otherwise

[balmy condor]

spam harder

[arctic tusk]

in aoe

[glad lintel]

what's his twitch? if you dont mind me asking

[outer cairn]

are you wrong for doing it? not necessairly

but

its technically not optimal

of your cps

[thorn crater]

whenever i see double rogue on top of charts on a stream race i get nervous. and i havent played the game in a year, that feeling doesnt go away lmfao

[simple ore]

you get plenty of energy in lust too, but still don't CT on ST

[shut owl]

depends on the pull, usually I see 3 mobs then 3 mobs then 3 mobs, so I'll go gar/rup/gar/rup then into caustic or something

[upper spear]

Depends if Blizz realizes the abomination lizard they created is the problem or not

[devout prism]

https://www.twitch.tv/stealthi

[glad lintel]

Thanks!

[outer cairn]

Hotfix: removed a bug that allowed aug evokers to exist

fired the spec dev

[balmy condor]

pi and augvoker is a combo that is perfectly reasonable and not an issue what do you mean, community problem

[upper spear]

the players are wrong

the pros are wrong

[balmy condor]

maybe if the community wasn't so focused on dealing damage

[gusty mirage]

I think they should add a spec to every class that's a support spec

[oak tangle]

i wonder if the infinite energy thing on iridikron lets spamming mutilate in kb good, for max poisons

[upper spear]

god, GOD was wrong.

[balmy condor]

we wouldn't have this conversation

ever think about that

[steel spire]

Heroic ilvl is max and mythic is just for cosmetics gg wow saved?

[outer cairn]

make outlaw ranged! Tally HO

[balmy condor]

can't we all agree to just play worse

[lucid rain]

didn't know rogue mentors specialized in psychic damage

[devout prism]

doesn't have any vods from recent streams it looks like so you might have to try to catch him live or ask him if he has archives

[abstract jacinth]

already ahead of you

[gusty mirage]

maybe they could implement those pickpocket buffs for crimson vial that they promised us at blizzcon for shadowlands

[glad lintel]

just noticed that. I tossed him a follow so ill keep my eyes peeled. Thanks again

[gusty mirage]

any day now

surely they wouldn't announce it at blizzcon and just never do it

right

[abstract jacinth]

are there any rogues doing big keys? havent been able to find vods of any

[junior aurora]

nah rogues bad

[gusty mirage]

define big keys

[junior aurora]

nobody playing em

[abstract jacinth]

20+

[upper spear]

honestly, the idea of Aug doesnt REALLY kill it for me, but the headache that goes into logs from now on makes me wanna kms

[simple ore]

zerocool plays them

[gusty mirage]

i suppose so

[oak tangle]

they did implement them, it's just placebo effect though. so make sure to pickpocket the boss and you'll do 10% more damage

[abstract jacinth]

linka da stream or youtube

[abstract jacinth]

link?

[balmy condor]

what if the igira dagger was the pickpocket buffs and instead of their weird proc conditions it was supposed to just give you like 10% leech when you press vial, but they just watered it down and slapped them onto the dagger to bait people into thinking we have a new edge of night

this is my tinfoil

[upper spear]

how many augs do you need in a raid to have 100% uptime on Aug buff

wait delete this

[outer cairn]

20

[upper spear]

the chinese will see it

[gusty mirage]

[junior aurora]

what the fuck is a shadowlands

[simple ore]

just zerocoolx on twitch

[outer cairn]

you must never go there Simba

[gusty mirage]

a 2 year long nightmare

[balmy condor]

zerocool streams on twitch?

[abstract jacinth]

there was a bunch so didnt know which

[balmy condor]

I thought he got banned and moved to kick or something

[simple ore]

yeah he does

he's live right now

[balmy condor]

I don't remember that whole thing

[junior olive]

is there a way we can get Acrobatic strikes on left side of tree witout fcking up our dam?

[simple ore]

no

[balmy condor]

how much would you consider "fucking up your dam"

[outer cairn]

what's he doing

dungeons

[simple ore]

22 BRH right now

well queuing for one

[junior olive]

i got a 22 throne on rsham smfh